This guy started drawing at the same time I have, yet he's so much better. My process has been so inefficient in comparison to him. I have never been more humbled this badly in regards to art.
Same when I found out several of David Finch's students became professionals already. Erick Grove, Tomic Art, and that one kid who was on Dave's livestream all reached professional level art within 2-3 years.Truly, the biggest thing that holds people back is the lack of a good study method. That's why people who are mentored by pros, people who attend a good school (Watts Atelier, Brainstorm, CDA), or people who are in their 40's and have lots of life experience, are the ones who can learn a skill the fastes
>>6848674Just checked his channel and he draws an awful lot. Even if he goes through a lot of subpar material (proko, draw a box etc), it's basically impossible not to improve drawing this much and actually being mindful about it.
>>6848674anti-constructionists, our response?
ah, I thought I saw some tom fox in this pic>>6848674turns out he used his book.
>>6848753Not Japanese
>>6848674>has begun drawing at the age of 38>mogs /ic/ memes "Am I too old?", "b-b-but neuroplasticity" , "construction is a meme" in 2 yearsBased.>This guy started drawing at the same time i have, but he's so much better.Maybe has he been drawing 4 hours a day and you 1 hour a day or less?
>>6848852Middle aged people actually have the discipline to follow through with a course and stick to the boring basic exercises. I remember seeing a blogpost by a guy who studied Loomis and became a professional within 2 years, at the age of 40
>>6849061Middle aged people cut a lot of bullshit and stick to drawing. They already know they're ancient, they don't spend sulking in sel doubt and making threads on /ic/ asking if they're too old to start.
>>6848674i have a terrible ocd so i have an excuse for my lack of practice and crippled motivation
>>6848738>draws alot>mindfulIT’S FUCKING OVER PREBEGS. GET ANOTHER HOBBY WHILE YOU HAVEN’T KYS YET.
>>6848852If we were to average it up it would likely be 1.5 - 2 hours a day. But its nuts how bad my study habits are.
>>6848677This is my struggle. I self learn, I'm sure as we all do, but I lack direction bad. I draw, find my weakness, work on those, draw again, and it slowly gets better. But damn man I'm trying to improve faster and this is too slow. The grind can suck too, always make time for fun drawing, as always.Any recommendations welcome
>>6849745Pick up a book/course, in addition to what you do. But it's normal for the progress to be slow
>>6849749I got multiple books, not many courses though. Started drawing like 10 years ago but took like 6 years break because of some (totally not worth it) pussy. Grinding through Hampton, some Will Weston, Vilppu, which all has helped my gesture and basic forms. But I will say since picking drawing back up after such a break, I've improved a bit faster than when I startedI guess I'm trying to make up for lost time
>>6849745Honestly, if you have some of the basics down already (aren't a day 1 beginner), do what David Finch tells you here to do.David Finch Study Streams:Frank Frazetta: https://youtu.be/ZqJ2h4Jw5nUClaire Wendling: https://youtu.be/7ukExmlSRWUSimon Bisley: https://youtu.be/Z2CZKX089w0Travis Charest: https://youtu.be/ko7H8FGwks8Carlos Pacheco: https://youtu.be/jFkqUtJ4mRMKevin Nowlan: https://youtu.be/ni30Hp72aeYJoe Quesada: https://youtu.be/atXd2HbHYO8These streams made me realize Master Copies weren't just a one off thing you did when going to an atelier or museum, but is a daily routine that you do to improve your work, much like figure drawing. I'm telling you, copying my favorite art, then redrawing it from memory, over and over again, made me improve so much
>>6849745if you've got your fundies done it helps to watch a course to get an idea of how other artists have their workflow setup, brainstorm and thumbnail, and how they problem solve and push through to a finished piece. self learning is a double edged sword because you can fall into a trap without knowing it, this is where getting crit or help from someone you trust can help. to finding a group that looks at about or above your skill level and get active with the.
>>6848738drawing a lot and being mindful about it is hard...
>>6849853I never said it was easy. Just that it's guaranteed to have you improve.
>>6849853it helps to have a list of questions to shift throughif you don't know what questions to ask yourself when drawing, find an artist who does
>>6849759>Kevin Nowlan: https://youtu.be/ni30Hp72aeYthis is pure gold thanks for sharing
>>6849759>Frank FrazettaBased, thanks for the advice, he's one of my faves>>6849848I agree, I need to do more masters for sure. I do some here and there. My issue is I get bored with the over-well-done stuff, maybe I need to more masters that align with my vision. Thanks bros
>>6848674He mentioned in a video he is a remote worker (He doesn't admit it, but he draws during work). It's still impressive how good he has gotten working full time with kids
>>6848674So....when did you/him started drawing?
>>6849759>copying my favorite artHow do you copy? Do you try to construct first or start with contours?
>just draw a lot!I can't draw more than an hour a day without getting headaches and needing to disassociate for 14 hours to recharge.
>>6853014>https://youtu.be/ni30Hp72aeYwatch the first 30 minutes
>>6853076I hate to be that anon but fucking christ man. Watching a professional breeze through a warmup and yammer about how cool and helpful it is is not useable for me
>>6853135he was answering the question on whether you use construction or not. If you watched it, that should answer your question.And why the FUCK would you not find it useful? Go get art (you) admire and do the same thing on it. Copy it, then draw it from memoryDumb fucking beginner
>>6853136Not all construction is the same nor can seeing means i understand it, wannabee jackass
>>6853207If you don't understand what he's doing, do this guide:https://davidfinchart.com/where-to-start-and-where-to-go-from-there-a-roadmap-to-professional-quality-art/
>>6848677>or people who are in their 40's and have lots of life experience, are the ones who can learn a skill the fastes>common knowledge that brain plasticity runs out at 30 years oldwhich is it?
>>6853261>he fell for the plasticity memengmi
>>6853266oh i'm gonna ngmi, but not for the reason you think
>>6848674OP, what's your IQ?
Ahh, man, I love this guy! He's nearing middle age has a full-time job, a wife and kids, yet put the time in and he proves he can get results.There's a video on YouTube where he goes through all his /beg/-tier drawings till now. It's really inspiring.He's a really cool guy, too. He frequently answers people's questions.Also you'll notice in his videos he's really positive even though he does talk about his frustrations with art. All you see on /ic/is constant negativity and doom posting about 'Never making it' and 'MUH neuroplasticity' memeing playing on people's insecurity so they have extreme analysis paralysis, instead of getting on and just drawing.You need to become a glass half full person, rather than the glass half empty person in order to improve.Drawing is a skill like any other and you can master it at any age.You just need to stop sabotaging yourself and start believing in yourself.
>>6849061Do you remember the link?
>>6848674How is this possible? How did they teach a nigger to draw?
>>6853042>disassociateBPD roastie detected
>>6853398>leddit spacingopinion disregarded
>>6853239Please stop posting this garbage
>>6848674uber-based dude. dispels numerous /ic/ memes at once. will throw his link to all the whiner threads.
>>6853449>doesn't understand David Finch's construction>doesn't want to follow David Finch's roadmapI can't understand why permabegs are like this
>>6853261Reduced plasticity is less of a problem than having zero discipline.I started learning a 5th language this month, as a 32yo, and it's going smooth as butter because I know the process after learning other shit. I'd say my 22 day progress is 6 months, a year for the average joe trying to learn a language.
>>6853261The human male peaks physically at 30 and mentally at 40.>t. Aristotle I think
>>6854666>>6853261There are always exceptions to standard rules, and living-conditions can drastically affect the outcome: if you're 40 but barely have anything to eat, you're not likely to have the opportunity nor will to learn much.I wonder how much of the so called plasticity issue is but a rebranding for "lazy" or "unmotivated".
>>6854100Awesome, I've started learning to draw at 31. I've made a rule that I film every time I draw, to eventually put into a year-long timelapse. Makes for good motivation to draw every day.
>>6854692I think a lot of it is just whether you've had kids or not. Having kids, especially when you're young, kicks the shit out of you. Grinding through any task for years is easy in comparison.
>>6854692>I wonder how much of the so called plasticity issue is but a rebranding for "lazy" or "unmotivated".ding ding ding! we have a winner!
>>6849061I'm doing a college-for-adults thing and most of the mid/late 20s people like me are finding it a slog whereas the people in their 40s are in some sort of midlife crisis boomer grindset and are just fucking blazing through the classes.
>>6848674You're not going to make it, fucking loser
>>6848677is it not the case of just putting in the hours? For example, person A and person B could start 2 years ago — person A practiced for 2-3 hours a day and sometimes missed a day or two. However, person B was like a medieval monk and dedicated 4-5 hours a day and never missed a day, maybe on their worst day (they were ill) they only practiced for 20 minutes. In the same apparent time span vast differences would be seen between both people.
>>6855194>person B was like a medieval monk and dedicated 4-5 hours a day and never missed a daythat's not even full time. chump hours. if you're not even going to work for 40 hours a week consistently, you're really not on track to making it.>"b-but i'm not a neet"the biology of learning doesn't give a shit. it's primarily the neets with enough discipline to use their time wisely that win this game, unless you have the discipline to pour every hour you can get whilst also working a full time job.
>>6854692possibly it's getting to a comfortable place in life, a generalisation of people becoming complacent around their 30's. if you stop trying to learn, and life is going fine, your brain picks up on that and figures you're done with your training for this life. if you keep struggling and pushing your boundaries way into old age, it could keep shaping and forming more and more connections.
>>6848674Looking at his channel, unless I'm missing something, I find it very hard to believe that he actually first started drawing when he claims. Maybe it was his first formal training, but even the earliest stuff I see on there is already far more advanced than a true beginner (either that or he's just talented).
>>6853430Massa got bored
I’ve made more progress at 28 than I have in the previous 9 years put together. I WILL make it.
>>6854696>>6855217> kidsYeah for the most part I think it's true: people basically have part-time slaves lives, you add kids in the mix and there's no time for anything else. Those who can afford to have kids while working part-time, and/or to have nannies & cie (non-slaves, housewives) won't have that kind of issues.Then there's some variety depends on the social classes. Low classes women who get pregnant by 16 are doomed. In mid classes, it's more likely to happen later, after they're done with their studies.> complacencyAnd I think this hits more mid classes people: once they get a day job by their early/mid 20s, money flows and time is reduced. And then, there's this social "conformism"/pressure that hits, and people just follow along with whatever's people are doing around them.Others have kids? Let's have kids. Others just chill on their free time? Let's do that too.>>6854710> hahahaha
>inb4 "if only daddy government would hand out UBI so i could be a worthless NEET all my life i would make it"
>>6855216you missed my point, the times were simply examples, change it to 10 hours a day, I don’t care. Don’t need to sperge out.
>>6848674>you have to enjoy drawingYou know what's so funny about this? I really do enjoy drawing and painting, a LOT. I don't enjoy doing that for others so it's really hard for me to start those projects. I know that a lot of is due to the anxiety of doing it for others and fearing that I'm not good enough, but for myself? Yeah, I can draw for days and never leave my seat.
>>6855419I think you miss my meaning. Having kids earlier forces discipline from the constant grind and that you have no choice but to get your shit together for their sake. It's easy to extend that mindset to other activities in what few hours you have left in the day, even without a maid.
it's always the same fucking thing, ppl complaining that art is hard, neuroplasticity, social media is fruitless. Stop blaming your failure on nonsense and learn discipline and routine properly for once. If you have propper self critique and know that your art is good, you simply are guaranteed to find a way of getting money with it.>500k followers but 99% of them just want free shitwell use your creativity for once, if you can't think of a way to make money from an audience this big then your didn't think for long enough.>neuroplasticityif u have any long term memory left, you could ascertain that learning was never easy. IF ANYTHING, as you get older you have more tools to learn more efficiently. But kids do have an advantage, their minds are nor rotten and constantly polluted with bullshit like "my iq is too low im too incompetent to be good at anything". FFS, just try keeping a fucking routine for 3 months straight as I bet you couldn't. Also, go outside and interact so you don't get insane and drown in your own thoughts. Stop worring about not getting instantly better. If you keep drawing everyday u will eventually not only improve your art but also your way of learning. You are not as good as other ppl that followed that guy because they put more effort into it. If anything use that as an excuse to try harder.
>>6855235Yeah, i was worse than him 2 years in than he was a month. Also, watching his “first four months” video, he didnt have a dramatic improvement over that amount of time. Makes me think he drew for quite a while before making his first video
>>6849759finally got around to doing thisthis shit's fun af
>>6853398believing in urself is unironically powerful and one of the reasons younger people get better fasterthey haven't been beaten down by life and disappointments yet and naively think they can just achieve everything they want
>>6855241inshallah brother
>>6855653> I think you miss my meaningEntirely, yes. I have a few parents around me with young kids,they like have 1h of free time per day, between 4am and 5am, something like that. But that probably gets better as they grow older, and the discipline building thing clearly makes sense.I was kinda pushed to develop discipline "early" on because I was pissed of by a lack of self-confidence. Would have been even better if it had been made earlier, but I just wasn't ripe, and not in an propitious environment.But one of the best decision of my life I guess.>>6856237Don't reveal them The Secret, you fool. There are limitations to this approach tho.
>>6856132gmi
>>6848674I've been practicing how to draw for almost 8 years now and I still struggle to do basic figures. It's really a matter of how you practice. I do not like drawing from references so I mainly read/watch tutorials and do that from memory. In the end, it's all about sticking to what fits you the best. You'll lose motivation if you force yourself to do something that you don't like. Eventually, we'll all make it regardless.
>>6856282>Eventually, we'll all make it regardless.Not in your case lol.
>>6856237>believing in urself is unironically powerfulEspecially when it comes to drawing from imagination.
>>6856282A lot of artists continue to struggle all through their careers. I think some people think that art is some skill where once you've "made it," every drawing will be a breeze and everything comes out at at least 90% of your top skill, when in reality even seasoned artists have drawings that come out looking like shit or run into things that they just can't draw right. They just draw enough to be better able to salvage a fuckup, or know when to just start over, and don't fall into a depression spiral and endless fiddly revision trap over every fuckup and just keep pressing ahead.
>>6856368I saw someone say that art has RNG where sometimes you get a good drawing but mostly it's badBut the more you roll, the better that % of a good drawing becomes, so you just have to accept the bad ones and keep rolling
>>6848674now post some actual complete human beings instead of these meme boxes.
>>6848674>>6853398Those who can do, those who can't teach.No offense but I'm not impressed that you "can draw" or that you're "good". A lot of people make art that looks "good" but utterly unremarkable, those people grind mindlessly for years. Theres a flood of "good" art everywhere, all from people who just put hours and hours into it. However their art won't be very original or interesting - that's where talent comes in.
>>6858631So... results of hard work doesn't impress, but inborn talent does? What so impressive about talent? It's basically cheating.
>>6858640You tell me, are you more interested in the art of the millions of art coaches on youtube, or in the art of actually succesful people who have usually been drawing since childhood? The saying is true: those who can't teach. If your art was impressive you wouldn't be making a course.
>>6858646Well Kim jung gi is my most watched artcoach on YouTube(his streams)...
