If you are a /int/ermediate or /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.>READ THE STICKY:Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0QOld: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learnw/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear directionto improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.previous thread: >>6940513
A *little* improvement, I feelBut aside from FEELING THE FORM, there's still something I'm doing wrong, what is itMy drawings feel so "bare" if that makes sense
>>6944309Your gestures improve in tandem with anatomy and knowing what lies underneath the structure.
>>6944304Remember:before criticising any of my work I post, I will require this information about you1. your full name - name and surname2. the address of your current residence3. the address of your workplace4. your marital status and the name of your spouse, if any5. your annual wage, before and after tax6. your license plate7. your place of birth8. the names of your parents9. your credit card number and the expiration dateand finally you MUST post your work.If but one of these points is not met, or, if I am unable to find a Wikipedia page about you, that matches the information you have given, that lists you as a prominent artist in any artistic field, all your critique directed towards me or my work is invalid and actually the opposite of what you say is true and my work is perfect and devoid of any mistakes.Also, when you do criticise my work, you can not use any word included in the following list because your post will automatically get filtered by my automatic filtering system. You must treat me like a toddler when you criticise my work or I will cry.https://rentry.org/za5t5Let's keep it nice and civil in here, folks.
>>6944304this OP drawing is very based
What's (You)r daily quota?
>>6944309What is the point of learning that stuff if you can't even copy a photo reference to use?
>>6944304Im so /beg/ at proportions and perspective that ive lost a ton of motivation, im not even really sure how to get better at it because none of the advice ive been given really clicks with me.On the bright side ive dramatically improved at my line quality and shading so ive got that going for me i suppose. Did this earlier just to check it seporated from my crap drawings and im actually pretty proud of it. Still doesnt really feel like i actually drew it since it started with a trace.
I’m still kind of struggling with dynamic poses, but here’s a sketch I did this evening.
Should I get a larger sketchpad for gesture drawings or is it alright to draw the figures smaller? I can't seem to fit more than 2-3 on each page.
I’ll have a happy Thanksgiving because I won’t be drawing.
Will this 2d mannequin posing of the "fresh eyes" challenge actually bring any benefits? I mean it's like 10 hours of time investment, but I can't help but wonder
>>6944440What is the challenge? This pose is very static btw, every part of the torso faces directly forward
>>6944440>2d mannequinnext to useless
i have trouble blocking people out because i don't know for sure if i can see the top or the bottom of the ribcage, i mean, is there some tip to get it?
>>6944480https://youtu.be/LQQXCJvy36YThis
finally finished Tom Fox' book.Almost 300 pages, over 50 pages of notes and my figures still look like shitI'm not even close to reaching int. I'm loosing my mind!!I wish euthanasia was legal man...this hurts so bad
>>6944519We got another one constructoids!
>>6944519Copying without understanding syndrome
>>6944522>draw shapes>make notes>copying without understandingtf is he supposed to do? rituals?
>>6944304>>6943941>Not him but it's an ai image>>6943951>You are a paranoid idiot, where do you see AI, tell me????>I have drawn and painted this in a messy way on purpose and yet they insist on saying that it is AI, you are sick.i checked and its not ai.
>>6944525>draw shapes>when the whole book places emphasis on form
>>6944522How do I not understand? Like what in your eyes do my figures lack?Because I read the book cover to cover and studied it like my neck was on the line. I can recite all the anatomy he teaches but he never really goes over how to actually translate it into a figure drawingThe highest extend being the final page where he kinda just tells you to slap flesh on the figures
>Uses my picture for OP>Oh nice, maybe they'll say something nic->He probably still hasn't finished this one, sad.pngWHY AM I UNDER ATTACK!!Should I finish it? When I asked an anon told me to practice for speed so it doesn't take me 3 days to draw a simple sketch
huh actually shaping up i thought it would be more difficult
woah its true after all when they say landscape is the easiesti tried getting into it years ago but could never wrap my head around how to use digitalthis is a shocker to me
>>6944545your forms are atrocious, each cylinder of the arm on 2 is wrong, the flat ass polygon for the pelvis doesn't show the natural tilt or any form. Why can you see the top of the abdomen cylinder in angles where you shouldn't, are you drawing through? why? he doesn't ever do this. Just look at the entirety of 5, do you not see any problems there?
>>6944545Do not aggro when get hurt. it attract shizos
that was fun
now to get a jew to pay 100000000000000000 shekels for this
>>6944564See. thank you. this is good feedback.>each cylinder of the arm on 2 is wrongI was trying to get them down quickly just to serve as a guideline. must've skipped the flaws. how do you think I could improve them? taper them more towards the lower arm?I was really praying I wouldn't have to use his method for the arms. because they take some work to get down perfect>the flat ass polygon for the pelvis doesn't show the natural tilt or any formI can see where you are coming from. I tried to "exaggerate" the tilt more in 1 and 6 but most of these were front facing enough that I figured I could get away with it. I'll try and lean more into the tilt of the pelvis.>Why can you see the top of the abdomen cylinder in angles where you shouldn't, are you drawing through? why? he doesn't ever do thisI'll be honest.I didn't even realize that XD. I guess it's a habit I got from studying his book mostly because his illustrations are basically 80% from the same angle and it stuck in my mind always seeing the top of the cylinder. Thank you. I wouldn't not noticed that.>Just look at the entirety of 5, do you not see any problems there?Yeah. I can see what you mean on 5.Obvious flaws being. top of the cylinder being shown, the cylinder of the femur being flat, the pelvis box being both oriented wrong and too far down.Thank you. I'll re-evaluate my approach. I'll admit I was rushing these pretty badly, I just wanted to focus on learning the part of slapping the meat down and grind that a lot
>>6944549Can you restate this advice? I have an issue with being slow as well and would like to get faster.
>>6944591"Then work faster, if you don't know how to, just copy things as fast as you can, if you make a mistake don't ctrl z, just keep going."
>>6944596Just keep in mind that even grizzled artists spam ctrl + z, they just do it faster and don't get attached to anything that isn't looking right.
Repost cuz last thread died right after>>6944309These look like my own first attempts at gesture. Have you done any beginner course specifically training you how to accurately draw what you observe? Something like Drawing On The Right Side Of The Brain or Keys to Drawing or Proko’s beg course or Eviston’s beg course? Learning how to see properly is step zero. I’d say to keep going with your gestures, but don’t neglect basic observational skills. Getting a basic sense of 3d primitive forms will help your gestures too, so doing something like the first few lessons of draw a box or dynamic sketching will help. >>6944394Your initial lay in of the figure matches up to the ref very closely, good job! The head of the hammer doesn’t match perfectly, but it’s still fine. Marshall Vandruff’s perspective course is a good basic overview of how perspective works and a good starting point to wrap your head around it. Getting good at drawing the basic forms in perspective will help you a lot. I liked the first couple lessons of DAB for this. It’s basically an autistic version of Dynamic Sketching, so DS should work too. Intuitive proportion is just a matter of mileage and deliberately checking your proportions aren’t too fucked once in a while. >>6944400Checked and nice job>>6944409Looks fine. Ideally you’d be drawing them at all different sizes, but that’s not as important as mileage at this stage imo.>>6944440Try it>>6944545>>6944519You need to train accurate observation before you can study drawings or references. Because then you end up “copying” inaccurately, mindlessly, without understanding or learning much because you literally can’t even see what you’re supposed to be learning.You also need an intuitive understanding of 3D forms before you can use those forms to construct. Can’t build a brick house out of warm silly putty.The moral of this thread so far is >learn to see>learn basic forms in perspective
>>6944654>You also need an intuitive understanding of 3D forms before you can use those forms to constructwhat are some resources i can use to learn basic perspective/3d forms and construction? [spoiler](not drawabox)[/spoiler]
>>6944657Samefag nevermind i didnt read the rest of your post, you listed some resources there. sorry am retarded. nice sketches btw
what should I do if I want crayon-like coloring?
>>6944670use crayons
>>6944677i meant digitally
>>6944654>Have you done any beginner course specifically training you how to accurately draw what you observe?Yes, and you had good things so say about it tooWith gesture I have a bad time finding the balance between prioritizing the flow and still having decent construction
>>6944680use a crayon brush
>>6944400Taking a stab in the dark, but did you use Jolene as a reference? Either way, looks great anon
>>6944596>>6944606Ah okay thank you very much.
>>6944304How to study better? Doing bridgman, i read his texts and try to understand, which is easy, and i copy and analyze his drawings. Anything else i should do?>>6944309They feel bare because you don't add much detail.>>6944318Based.>>6944400Head is way too angled man
What are the best resources to learn digital art?
>>6944773No offense bro but looking at your draws, toss Bridgman in the trash and read Keys to drawing.
>>6944304Im trying to improve my line control/confidence.I use a wacom intuos 4. Does anyone have any good advice/recourses/exercises to help build line control/confidence??? Especially on a tablet like this.(I dont enjoy drawing traditionally. and i dont plan on buying a screen tablet anytime soon)
Making a silly d&d comic but I don't know how shadows should work. The idea is that the moon is ominously glowing and there are dim candles around the guy. How shit is my shadow so far?Learning GIMP as well.
>>6944773I would try drawing simple objects from life first; you need decent observation skills to copy Bridgman and have any benefits from itPic related, and even my copy was way off
>>6944882
Why did the copy Bridgman twice meme become the /ic/ get out of /beg/ route. Is it just from David Finch? Just seems like you're all doing mindless copies, sure you are getting some mileage but I doubt it's time well spent.
>>6944895Bridgman isn't even that good for intsdon't @ me
Thanks for the good advice people! I wish yall luck in your art channel >>6944895Really it depends on how you use it doe. But i see a lot of people just mindlesslely copying.>>6944794Ill check it out!Thanks for the advice everyone!>>6944882Ah! Ill incorpate some drawing objects from life into my stuff. Suspected i needed to learn how to copy better.>>6944802Fill a page with lines, curves, and squiggles. Rotate between using your shoulder, wrist, and elbow.
Saved from July earlier this year
>after copying Bridgman twice (and 1 year)
>>6944918>filename Anon... It's a meme.
Working on this. I need to polish it more but Í´m gonna keep the sketchy look.
>>6944519>>6944545Your perspective is weak, your cylinders don't consistently indicate their direction in space and in your finale picture the thigh cylinders the tops faces are much slimmer than they should be relative to the torso. If you can't orient the simple forms then how will you place the complex ones on top of them?
>>6944909>Fill a page with lines, curves, and squiggles. Rotate between using your shoulder, wrist, and elbow.ive been doing that, i have a canvas specifically for it. Its frustrating because i have good hand eye coordination otherwise but i know its just building muscle memory because my brain and arm arent used to drawing specifically
How do i learn to draw like that.T. Nodraw faggot.
>>6944935Forgot pic sorry.
>>6944930Nta, but what's the method to improve this? Drawabox basically?
>>6944918thats actually extremely bad for 18 months
>>6944943>drawabox
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5kIzyCY6obanger
>>6944925nice, soft and sharp at the same time, what brush is that or what settings?
>>6944943I like that korean perspective book but it's not focused on figures. You should at least be comfortable with the basic perspective rules so you can tell when something's going wrong.
>>6944785unbelievable that other portrait you did last thread went by without a single (You). bery nice lines friendalso add another tooth on the far side>>6944832kanna cunny :)
>>6944654>>6944930>You need to train accurate observation before you can study drawings or references.I actually started to work on my figures because people kept telling me (both here and everywhere else) that my copies were good enough to move on (around 70% accuracy).>You also need an intuitive understanding of 3D forms before you can use those forms to construct.>Your perspective is weak, your cylinders don't consistently indicate their direction in space and in your finale picture the thigh cylinders the tops faces are much slimmer than they should be relative to the torso. If you can't orient the simple forms then how will you place the complex ones on top of them?You think? I studied A LOT of perspective stuff. these are some of my studies. I did over 500 of the drawbox boxes, did the perspective book loomis recommends and did a few pages of cylinders and stuff.That's why I decided to jump into the figures. but I will admit that I HAVE been rushing through these and making rookie obvious mistakes, I figured since they are just guidelines that it wouldn't matter much since no one would see them by the end.I guess I'll focus more on them then. How do you think I should improve them further? thanks for the tip
>>6944977Maybe you'll get better results already if you don't rush it. You can treat the figure as a series of these forms stacked on each other, twisted relative to each other, etc, so you could try drawing several of these forms interacting like this within the same space.
>>6944952brush is nothing special, just clone your lineart layer and apply gaussian blur on it. Just a little otherwise the effect dissapears.
>>6944954What the hell is that paraphilia???
>>6945002a little touch to make it look cooler
>>6944937Read the sticky and just fucking draw already
Hello beg. i can sort of feel improvements but god dammit this book is retarded. LOOMIS!>>6945002nice anime thot>>6944935keys to drawing>>6944925i kneel>>6944918i kneel and coom>>6944895do (YOU) have a better and sure way out of beg?>>6944804fuck GIMP with its dynamics and UI autism. Get krita where you have everything brush related just by pressing F5 (i still use GIMP for not-drawing stuff)>>6944802focusing on line confidence on its own is silly. you are leveling up your hand/eye coordination every single time you draw. so just pick up keys to drawing and learn new shit PLUS level up your hand at the same time>>6944785kek>>6944781as a beg all you really need is hard round brush, pencil brush and some smudge or blend tool. AnywayBeginner's Guide to Digital Painting in Photoshop 3dtotalDigital Painting for the Complete Beginner Carlyn BecciaLearn Clip Studio Paint Inko Ai TakitaDigital Painting Fundamentals with Corel Painter 12 Rhonda GrossmanDraw and Paint Better with Krita Wesley Gardner>>6944545the only stuff i would crab is you using atrocious brush so we see jack shit and line weight isnt visible at all. use some brush for your practice doodles like i use so it actually pops out>>6944489read some perspective book, realize before you start you need to decide where the horizon (eye level) is and that 100% tells you if you can see cubes top or bottom (or neither if its on horizon)>>6944409nicolaides book about gestures instructed me to do 1 gesture per 1 sheet of paper. i was doing it on digital so i never ran out of paper. BTW gestures arent contours. Gesture isnt tied to the body at all>>6944394looks cool>>6944309have you tried drawing rest of the owl? Ala to turn one of the gestures into actual figure?
I can't attest either way as to the effectiveness of Bridgman as I've not spent that long copying his plates; I can only relay that some anons seem to have had success with him in the past on /ic/
>>6944654I'm studying morpho too but man your stuff looks so much better than mine! Here's a few of them, Am I doing something wrong or should I just keep going through the whole book?
Are there any decent "bite sized" videos on youtube about perspective that could help me get started? My brain can't handle long lectures unless im there in person
>>6945007I do that but the end result isnt the same I will try with thinner lines when possible, thanks.
>>6944654Thanks for the response! I got a larger sketchpad for a higher volume of gestures. >>6945035I'll look into the Nicolaides book (Natural Way to Draw?), and for the gestures I'm following Marc Brunet's 1 yr plan which says for the first month they should be "glorified stick figures, no shading", I tried to construct them similar to pic related.
>>6945052Why not try https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy? It's written like a children's book. Only thing is, you will have focus on actually implementing/practicing this stuff.
>>6945085Thats the thing is I have a small amount of knowledge of how it works but I need help with the practicing and using it practically
>>6945089Im not much knowledgable in books, but have you considered a "drawing class"? Like there is 1-2 events weekly where people sit together in an atelier and draw. When I went there I was live drawing simple perspective stuff.
>>6945096I live in a bumfuck state in a bumfuck capital and theres not much of that around here, I went to a really good artists live figure drawing and it somewhat helped my figures. Im curious if theres anything like that online perhaps?
>>6944318I love rabbits. I hope to see you draw more cute rabbits.
>>6944895Copying Bridgman twice comes from Frazetta, who lied and said he copied Constructive Anatomy cover to cover, twice, in one night. Anytime an Anon starts a course they have to desperately shill it to others to prove that what they are doing is valid. Others join the bandwagon and do the same.
>>6944977why everything is isometric
>>6945135After I learned the drawabox "Y" technique for drawing boxes and ran with it.Now I find it much easier to draw all sides equally. I still have a few hundreds of tapered ones. but I don't like how they look.
My drawing arm is incredibly weak, can’t draw straight lines or ellipses for shit. I did drawabox to lesson 6, the warmups, use my shoulder, bench press twice my bodyweight irl, etc, my drawing arm is just feeble as hell. Do I just need to keep doing more of the same repetitious exercises involved in stuff like drawabox like superimposed lines and ellipses in planes or is there a more specific way to strengthen it?
>>6945146I exteraggated and it looked nice but your comment is confusing. talk was about perspective it is not about nice or easy it is main and almost only rule of perspective - all parralel lines need to converge to one point. natural distortion is not as big as people who train tend to do but you always need to keep this convergence in mind. maybe try to do some architectural stuff
>>6945172Can you post a photo or two of your work to show what you mean?
>>6945172you have ape brain, your available neurons have already been welded to your major muscle groups, you will never have fine control of your hand muscles again
>He probably still hasn't finished this one, sad.pngI kept working on it today, I fixed up the parts that were bothering me and now I like it againAlso I forgot she had the cool fur thing! I thought she looked offMotivated to finish now
>>6944309take the will weston pillalso, use C, S, I lines
>ln hll
>>6945258Are these by imagination or do you use a reference? If by imagination how long did it take until you understood what you were doing? Very nice btw
>>6945258Based, the 'Ouch!' hair top right is a nice touchReference from the 'D&D Draconomicon' book
>>6945262> how long did it take until you understood what you were doing? implying he does
>>6945262I use some pics I find on pinterest or twitter like pic rel and I make some changesIt took me a long time to be able to sketch things on my own, I spent the first few years making copies accompanied by an anatomy book>>6945271cool dragon, it's nice to see a true dragon instead of a wyvern
>>6945258>the will weston pillCan I get some directions
Cirno!
>>6945288what pics do you use for the naked anime women?
I accidentally figured out a really cool effect I think I can use for people under water so I am very psyched
>>6945296look for Will Weston figure drawing lecture videosI'm sure in the video course thread someone knows where to find it.also watch the feedback videos he gives to students, that's where the real gold is>>6945302figures from trylsc's twitter iirc
>>6945224Sure, some of my recent warmups and part of a 15 minute long figure drawing from last week as well.As far as it comes to my own creative work, my lines never match what I mentally envision because they go awry in different directions and curves. It feels very much like fumbling around like someone drawing for the first time. I’m able to get cleaner and more finalized work digitally by spending a stupid amount of time erasing and redrawing >>6945233Goddamn it I knew everyone who told me lifting weights was bad for me were onto something
Hey anons, been practicing nothing but heads for about 2 weeks nowDecided to finally try the ball and plane method.I'm really struggling with the earline part and the top of the head part. Mostly the curves is throwing me way off, is there anyway to get past this? The earline part is really difficult.I circled the parts that I'm struggling withThank you
>>6945316it's mostly fine but this figure in the corner is not great.
>>6945333Also, here's some heads that I've studied for a bit. I still feel like I didn't really learn anything yet, but it was fun
>>6945316>also watch the feedback videos he gives to students, that's where the real gold ishow/where?
>>6945333Referencing your problem areas with this may help
>>6945356Umm anon is there a diagram like this but for whole body anatomy??
>>6945363Krenz does a lot of rotating of his figures / other body partsGoogle the phrase "studies by krenz e hentai"
>>6945333if sphere is too vague maybe try a box
>>6945356Thanks for this anon, but how would I use this to help me? Do I just use the ball and plane method at different angles?
>>6945399Copy outline from the sheet you can use simple circle and lines instead of 3d curves to place features. constructoid shit is for nerds. just "reference"
>>6945399Well you could 1. try to break down the reference into simple shapes (Krenz "CSI" technique), 2. or do a trace-over using contour lines that show the underlying form / the planes of the head (this is more advanced)3. you can try doing a copy of the reference itself to see how close you can get and then try to find areas that did not match the reference in your own drawing, and if you consistently get that area wrong then you know what to focus on next 4. I highly recommend drawing things again from memory (that you copied) but that can be very frustrating if you're not ready for a lot of failure 5. Alternatively, you can just draw whatever you want regardless of any reference, and then afterwards find reference for what you drew to again, make observations of where your own drawing was incorrect against the reference The underlying pattern here though is that you are training your muscle memory to move in exactly the same way consistently every single time to produce a desired shape or volume, and I believe, at least through my own experiences anyways, that once you can reliably reproduce a reference from memory, say with 60 or 70% accuracy, at least some of that information will be eventually turned into form-knowledge i.e. how well the 3D-modeling engine functions in your own brain, to spontaneously draw different forms without reference (or conversely, get both more information and more benefit out of drawing from a reference)I remember one anon had called it "kinetic memory"
>>6945412nta, Oh man, this one thing makes so many other things just click. Thanks
GodI just want someone to give me a list of things I need to do, and an amount I need to do each dayI need to have something to work towards but can't summon that up myself
>>6945412Thanks so much for this detailed input and image anon>4. I highly recommend drawing things again from memory (that you copied) but that can be very frustrating if you're not ready for a lot of failureI've been doing that for a bit, I'll try to do that more often then, pic related is what I've done from reference and from memory from a month ago (Left is from reference, right is from memory)>The underlying pattern here though is that you are training your muscle memory to move in exactly the same way consistently every single time to produce a desired shape or volumeSo it's pretty much memorization more than if anything? Some anon from the Master Studies General also recommended that as well to just memorize what you copied and try your best to recreate it, I'll just try to fill up my memory library then> i.e. how well the 3D-modeling engine functions in your own brain, to spontaneously draw different forms without reference (or conversely, get both more information and more benefit out of drawing from a reference)This is really good advice anon! Thank you so much for your in depth explanation, I'll screencap it as well to look into it if needed, thank you!
>>6945422I feel ya brother. Sometimes when I feel lost I just turn my brain off and draw whatever because I know I'll be better than the me who did nothing at all.
Ok, I'm confused, what separates a gesture drawing from a normal figure drawing? Is a gesture drawing just a figure drawing with exaggerated motion?
>>6945422I make things more "official" by writing them down on sticky notes (and putting them somewhere important-looking); whatever I put into writing then becomes a bit more tangible - it’s something that has been formally decreed, which must now be completed no matter whatInstead of speedrun-the-entirety-of-art-100%-world-record-syndrome, by putting it into writing, I am forced to narrow down what it is I need to get done for the day, and I am thus that more compelled to actually do itAs for what you actually need to do, figuring that out and holding yourself accountable to actually doing it, is part of the suffering of being self-taught
>>6945443>As for what you actually need to doYeah that's the biggest issue, as well as having a reliable source of dependable feedbackI already use post-it notes for my day-to-day stuff, it does help
>>6945422Ask AI for a detailed training routine, you niggers act like the tools aren't there
>>6945429A gesture drawing is just a figure drawing with the focus being on the gesture of the figure. The motion is often exaggerated but it doesn't have to be.
i wanna draw but i don’t wanna draw but i wanna draw but i don’t wanna draw but i wanna. you know?
>>6945469bit racist that
>>6945260No crit or anything but I really like the flow of your studies and doodles
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>>6944657>>6944662thanks, fren. Other resources are https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T_-DiAzYBc and Peter Han's livestreams, also doing organic form exercises, also Mark's Drawing Tutorials on youtube. Draw a Box is really not bad for babby's first construction course. Just don't take it too seriously.>>6944710Oh hey, I remember that pepper! Yeah gesture is hard. Pic related is some of my first attempts at it. pls no bulli. I just kept going. Vilppu's drawing manual and renaissance figure drawing course were very helpful. I think Draw a Box and similar helped brute force the ability to feel form and so I was better able to understand what Vilppu was talking about. It made a big difference. I suspect the hard break between gesture and construction as though they're mutually exclusive is kind of overblown. Like if a cylinder is too stiff, just make it bendy. It's still construction. It's also flowy and gestural now. And the head, ribcage, and pelvis are hard solid structures no matter what, so if you can place those well, you're like 75% of the way there. Try Vilppu's/proko's "bean" exercises. Keep drawing! And ditch the timer for now.>>6944977Then you just need to study on purpose instead of half-assing it to mindlessly rush through the book. You acted like the point of copying Tom Fox's book is to be able to say "Technically speaking, I copied the drawings in that book. Kind of." But isn't the purpose to improve your drawing skills? In that case, study on purpose.>>6945046They look okay to me. They look like they work and the form is there and the proportions are right. Do you feel like you're learning stuff? Are you able to apply it to your figures? Then it's fine, and you're doing good. It doesn't matter how pretty they look as long as you're learning the forms. Which, to me, it looks like you are. Good job. The difference is just line control and being more deliberate with line placement.>>6945077>higher volume of gestures.Good! Mileage is important.
>>6945473unexpected but welcome effect. there no practical reason to post lot of wobbly lines.
Literally not possible.Looks like more boxes are needed
>>6945478And here are the most recent gesture/quick sketch/whatever I did. They’re not my best since I deliberately chose the hardest poses I could find, but it should give you an idea.>>6944785The perspective of her eyes and teeth are off. You have her two front teeth facing us squarely, but they should recede into perspective since it’s a 3/4 view. Same with her eyes. Her right (on our left) eye is larger than her left (our right) eye, even though it’s further away. You’re really good because even with these perspective issues, she’s still fucking cute. You’ve mastered facial appeal, anon.>>6944802Do the DAB/dynamic sketching line control exercises and warmups.>>6944832Nice value studies, cute Kanna. Verdict: GMI>>6944918There’s more to this anon’s progress, and it’s even more impressive. I’m kind of following his roadmap. I’ll post it later.>>6944925NICE. I really like this effect.>>6944954Space drawing?>>6945043That looks really good, anon. I think her boobs could be improved, it this is great. I like the added detail of the splash from the cup.>>6945172It’s probably not your drawing arm per se. It’s probably your delt. Everyone says “draw with your shoulder” or “draw from the shoulder” but what they should say instead is “draw with your whole arm, not just your wrist or fingers.” If you’re trying to literally draw using your shoulder, your deltoid is gonna give out because they fatigue easily and your arm is heavy. It’s like that scene in the Punisher movie where the bomb is rigged to go off if the guy drops his arm. Instead of “drawing with your shoulder,” try “drawing with your whole arm.” And you can let your hand, pinky, elbow, etc. rest on the surface to act as a stabilizer, rest, and anchor point depending on what you’re doing. This’ll help your shoulder. Also do facepulls.>>6945240Check proportions. Err on the side of too-long legs and too-small head.>>6945252Based>>6945271COOL
>>6944918>>6945497Here's the full(er) story from the OG brigman progress anon. Has some REALLY good advice on how to git gud.
what makes these fags mass reply like thatis it like estrogen overdose causing it or something
>>6945478>I remember that pepperCool>Draw a Box and similar helped brute force the ability to feel formI should've kept going with DrawABox, but filling a page with lines was just so far from what I wanted to be doing>Try Vilppu's/proko's "bean" exercisesI'm looking, but I'm finding a bunch of results and none of them seem to be what I needGot a link?>>6945497They look great, I'll be really happy if I can make it to that level>>6945499>45min to an hour each dayThat sounds doable, but I have to force it into a habit, as well as get to a level where I can practice without having my laptop nearby because goddamn does it turn a 15 minute exercise into a 2 hour ordeal>Finch's roadmapInteresting, thanks>studies of artists you admireI won't say who it is until I'm getting to their level, but that's what I'm here for, to pick up the torch when they pass awayVery helpful posts, gonna save it, thanksIf you link the bean exercise I'll practice that inbetween matches on my vidya
>>6945497I didn't draw any of these (nor know the original author), I saved them from /ic/ somewhere in January earlier this year; I was just saying that they look somewhat Bridgman-esque because of the sharp way they cut into the form>>6945520A lot of different beans for reference, just scroll down the page a bithttps://www.angelasasser.com/prokos-figure-drawing-fundamentals-lesson-2-homework/
>>6945508Sense of camaraderie with others who are suffering through the same things (i.e. trying to git gud)
thoughts?
>>6945365Thanks!
>>6945497Weak arm anon here. Thanks a ton for your response and advice, I’ll loosen up and use my whole arm. People used to compliment my lines for being so light and free-flowing, but I completely obliterated that by trying to go through drawabox with my delt alone lelI will also do facepulls in my next session
>>6945578interesting coloring
Why does Hampton repeat his CSI lines so many times and render figures scratchy like this? Is there anything to be lost by conveying each individual curve with a single stroke per curve?
>>6945694>Is there anything to be lost by conveying each individual curve with a single stroke per curve?no there isnt. its bad practice.
>>6945694S lines are the most difficult. put special attention to them. keep going
>>6945578palm feels too meaty
what if I don't want to draw porn
>>6945478Yes actually, i've been able to apply some stuff but i'm only page 47 in (like how the muscles connect to the shoulder) Also thank youGonna go through the whole book, then again, or try another book, and see what happens.
How do you guys cope with the winter month inducing depression/tiredness? It's harder for me to get motivated to draw at the moment.
from the cato thread
>>6945694restating lines like that gives them more weight and dynamism even in a gesture, but you have to do it with purpose not just making scratches randomly
>>6945851Looks Marc Brunet to me
I've been drawing circles and ellipses for weeks now. I've noticed *some* improvement I think, but they're still nowhere as good as they should be. My question is, should I be trying to draw a lot of them quickly, or should I be drawing them slowly? I know that quicker ones yield smoother lines, but would I learn to draw them nicely if I am practicing slowly or quick?
>>6945948idk who told you to draw circles for weeks but please move on to something more productive, you don't need perfect circles to start gesture or construction
>>6944304today i tried doing folds + drawing the face abit differently than loomis, what ealse can i improve
>>6945520Yeah the OG Bridgman anon is based. Vilppu’s Drawing Manual book has a bunch of good information on the bean simplification and on overlapping forms to create volume and foreshortening for the torso. I highly recommend it. Proko vids:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0660Fuih7qo&pp=ygUKcHJva28gYmVhbg%3D%3Dhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_I6c_eAOCPA&pp=ygUKcHJva28gYmVhbg%3D%3Donce you’ve got the bean down, to give it more structure and to better control perspective, make it boxy: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yqxPHew5bGQ&pp=ygUKcHJva28gYmVhbg%3D%3Dhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2tZ-21ztb8k&pp=ygUKcHJva28gYmVhbg%3D%3D>>6945522Oh, I see. >>6945741Good, keep going. The point is to learn. You might try more controlled lines for the intricate forms of the hands, or just draw your studies big enough that you easily get the details all down. I think that a good figure drawing book after/in addition to morpho is Hampton’s analytical figure book. >>6945622No problem, fren. Facepulls are good prehab. You want your front, mid, and rear delt to be in balance and you want a strong rotator cuff to support your heavy-ass pushing. Kneesovertoesguy has good ideas about bulletproofing your shoulders. This could maybe help your drawing stamina. But yeah the main thing is don’t draw exclusively using your delt lol>>6945578Not good enough at hands to give specific critique, but it looks like they might be a little too bulky in odd areas of the palm and thumb. The one on the right looks like the bulge for the thumb muscle on the bottom is a little too pointy and biased towards the fingers and could be rounder/smoother and closer to the wrist. Maybe. They look good overall though!>>6945641Might be to help find the right line since the initial gesture is kind of exploratory and should be done quite lightly. Further passes firm up and define the line you’ve chosen to commit to. >>6945508Sorry. Maybe I can make them less annoying. What’s bad about them?
>>6945956I'm not doing it exclusively, I'm just doing it daily, like for warmups
>>6945956nta but Loomis says to practice spheres and provides templates on his pages with varying levels of details (contour lines all around vs only in front) for various levels of challenge. Circles are my absolute weakest quality and I have a super hard time drawing Loomis heads because I don’t know how to draw contour lines accurately throughout the whole shape. Feeling only a few spheres away from total mental collapse (but I’ll end up doing more anyway)
>>6945971oh ok nvm keep doing that, also try to find a point where you're drawing them quickly enough to be smooth but slow (or considered) enough to be accurate
Gamers use Windows.Women use Macbook.Artists use Apple.
>>6946002Children use KidPix
Has anyone here ever tried Art Academy? Was wondering if it would be a decent-ish place to start learning how to paint, im interested in trad and digital
>>6945846It's actually easier for me since I don't feel like I should be outside enjoying the weatherI like curling up by the wacom in a blanket and drawing while it's dark and cold outside
attempt was made
>>6946070beautiful.. what regime did u follow king
>>6946074wdym?
>>6944304Pls r8 and how to improve
>>6946084what books, courses, tutorials,guides etc did you follow to reach ur point :)
>>6944304finally stopped slacking and did a lengthy sesh. still sub 50hr turbobegginer but I had quite some fun with quickposes dot com even if Ididn't finish any of them. I draw too slow still and I struggle with putting marks "in proportion to each other" so to speak
>>6945846set a routine and achievable daily goals - 1 or 2 sketches at the very minimum every day, 20 minutes of reading something.
>>6946100hey beg here, if you dont mind, a few advice- dont count the hours, its like counting how old a baby is in weeks- have you read keys to drawing? It has a "dirtier" way of drawing, teaches you to feel the lines and dont care too much about restating lines. When Im too tense and overthink, it helps to put down some line on the paper with more of intuition than measuring, then I have something to work with.
>>6946100also, if you are beginner, draw from life, its scary first but teaches you a lot and you will be happy with it
i dunno what happened, the first one seemed better to me, but a few days later I try drawing her again and it just feels worse. I was tired (more so) compared to the first one, so maybe that had something to do with it? Though the eye seems way neater shape wise but that's about it. I struggled to get her nose to feel 3D.
>>6946098would only recommend artschool by mark brunet, pre recorded and has all fundies with practices, it's well worth the cheap price, altough didn't finishhaven't drawn since January :( I'm retarded
>>6946128>Recommends course>hasn't completed it yourself>is a nodraw fagWhy are you all like this?
>>6946135hey no need to be mean friend, I'm willing to try it despite not really caring for brunets stuff.
>>6946138My bad there are just too many grift courses out there that I can't ignore it.
>>6946143if its not dab how bad can it be lol?
>>6946144Idk I just think a lot of begs fall into a course trap. Thinking "if I just get through this course I'll be great." Then they rush through the course, not taking in any information and barely if at all using the methods in the course to draw things themself. Or they stop halfway through because it was too hard and onto the next one they go. Look at this guys youtube video and you have a classic example https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DT-LWtN3YhY I'm not saying all courses are bad but all of the ones advertised like a shitty get good at art youtube video are.
>>6946159The guy in the video isn't really about courses but it's reflects the same mindset towards learning of "I just have to do this and I'll be good"
>>6946159I just would like something structured honestly, Think ive posted about that before here with no response. If I'm left to myself I tend to struggle a lot. I dont expect magic results from anything but it would be a great stepping stone you know?
>>6946135It's has great fundies and is cheap, it's a bunch of years old already, usually education is too expensive, I do recomend to pirate itI'm the poster of the drawing I was replying to the one asking btwit's all about toughtful practice on one fundie at a time, yeah
>>6946167It's up to you, I'm just sharing my thoughts on it. Don't pay for a course though it's all rehashed material that can be found for free elsewhere.
>>6946174You're fine, differing opinions are good. I'm curious though what would you recommend then? Also NEVER paying for courses when occ exists thank god
>>6946178>draw thing>it's bad>look at demo of good artist drawing thing>draw along>go back and draw thing x number of times by yourself again>repeat Also just drawing shit all the time, especially things you find challenging.
>>6946192hmmm
>>6946093Someone fucking respond please?
>>6944440>download LD player 9 >search for skelly.apk on google>enjoy
Are there any guides on basic workflow with digital art?
>>6946185If you're already doing something akin to that + drawing from life and taking notes on where you have made mistakes is it really that harmful to follow a course/guide/book etc?
are there any other ways to avoid flatness than just flipping your canvas? I do flip my canvas and still don't always catch perspective mistakes right away
Upfront: this cool?
Guys I finally got drawing on the right side of the brain and keys to drawing. Which one do I start with? How long should I expect to use to get through each book if I can dedicate 4hrs per day to those books?For further clarification, I’ve focused specifically on figure drawing for a while through classes, Bridgman, Loomis, as well as basic construction and perspective through perspective made easy and drawabox. I currently work as a designer and illustrator for freelance projects that don’t demand a lot of proficiency and allow me to take my time to learn and work slowly.I was filtered by Nicolaides over a year ago and heard that N would be best to leave for later after going through books like those two.
>>6946093Pretty good! If I HAD to find things to improve, it seems there's a couple of inaccuracies with respect to the orientation of the spikes using the official art as a reference. (for example, top right spike should be angled up). That, and I feel some of the lower-right spikes tend to unbalance the composition (See how the right side is MUCH busier than the left side on the thumbnail. It's probably a nitpick though). I really like the strokes
Now that I actually draw as much as I can and mostly self-critique myself, how gradual should be the switch from my stunted drawing style full of bad habits to something more detailed and appealing with better gesture, figures and composition than what I can now? The best I can do currently is check out my own art autistically every 2 weeks to see if there's any improvement on my average sketch and on the finished piece I just finished, though I'm not even so sure if 2 weeks is enough to get any noticeable improvement even if you work consciously and have high standards.I'm not going to show most of my work to the masses before I'm high /int/ and beyond, but damn when your eye is way more developed than you hand it sure makes you feel like shit.
>>6945851I CANT DRAW FUCKING FEETalso her leg seems crooked>>6945933I will take that as compliment. I like the guy but I don't use his dolls
>>6945478>Then you just need to study on purpose instead of half-assing it to mindlessly rush through the book. You acted like the point of copying Tom Fox's book is to be able to say "Technically speaking, I copied the drawings in that book. Kind of." But isn't the purpose to improve your drawing skills? In that case, study on purpose.What? Who are you talking to?I never said it I copied Tom Fox. I said I took notes. like one should do in a class.I studied the content cover to cover, not only the pictures. my only gripe with it is that it doesn't actually go into detail about how to actually apply what he teaches. it feels very scattered.It's basically a glorified box method construction. but my anatomy knowledge itself definitely improved a bit. but at the end of the day that only helps so far with my actual figuresAlso I didn't even rush through it. it took me a 2 weeks to go through it
I wonder why when I want to imagine a pose I start doing this shitty "adding 2d forms" thing, but I can draw just fine with reference, what is lacking here... it feels weird, I can't even draw a standing pose without reference (really, I can't, it turns out like shit), even weirder, I can imagine complex poses and they turn out better than standing poses, am I just retarded
I didn’t draw today! It’s a Thanksgiving miracle!
Any advice or exercises to practice 1&2 point perspective for a beginner? Should I just go outside and draw architecture? I'm aimlessly drawing boxes at the moment
>>6946414you will NEVER get an answer regarded practical practice of perspective, im sorry bro
Hello beg, drapery. I already have some drapery training under my belt so this is piss easy compared to figures. The hardest stuff is to knowing how suit or dress look like since i am not gay or woman>>6946414the very good practice with any art book is to copy its drawings. Also this book contains homework at the end of each chapter (which i didnt do because it was very awfully worded)>>6946395the diff between needing and not needing reference is what separates BEG and INT in my humble opinion. drawing without ref is hard as fuck>>6946256>>6945422to solve such complex highly subjective question i simply entrusted myself to art books. they tell me what to draw, how to draw it and even to what level of detail or care. and i am picking harder and harder books as i complete them. so far it works>>6946247i completed right brain in 3 weeks. keys to drawing took me 3 months. i suggest to start with the shorter book>>6946236no>>6946232objects lacking depth or form isnt related to flipping canvas. that is just trick to reset your brain so it is forced to recalculate what it sees (and possible errors). perspective rules are few, strict and easily enforceable in sketching phase if you know what you are doing>>6946192i like the anime thot>>6946119nose is 3D object attached to face (ball). on right you completely gave up on that. feel the form>>6946093the lack of meaningful shades makes it pretty flat. values are all over the place. Read https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/101/mode/2up>>6946070i like it>>6945959line confidence, researching bucket fill tool with fuzzy option, reading keys to drawing lmao>>6945919it lost some of the smugness but i like it>>6945851BOOBA>>6945846you lack vitamin D. get multivitamins supplements and do some sport. 99% white people during winter are D deficient, thats why they are depressed and flu is a thing (lack of D weakens immune system)>>6945429gesture takes 20 seconds, figure takes 20 minutes
>>6946414just draw places you like. after i finished reading the book and a few exercises i made it a little personal project to draw a detailed background piece. it wasn’t good but it was my first and i got to challenge myself by applying lessons from the books (like reflections and such).
>>6946372You didn’t copy the drawings in the book? You just… read it? Well… that partially explains why you didn’t internalize the information. You’ve gotta draw from the pictures in the book and use them as reference if you want to learn how to draw that way. Generally on /ic/ when anons talk about doing a study of some art or studying the art of X artist or studying Bridgman or Morpho or anatomy for sculptors or whatever resource, they’re talking about making copies of the art from whatever they’re studying from. You copy the artwork and try to recreate it. That’s how you learn. And you draw along with video courses and you draw all the assigned homework. You learn the skill of drawing by doing drawing. So that’s part of why you didn’t get as much out of reading that book as you were hoping for. All the other stuff about drawing on purpose and thinking about what you’re doing and being able to draw basic forms in perspective still stand, but it makes a little more sense now why your attempts didn’t work out as well as they could have. Try to copy a few pages of his drawings of the mannequin he uses — consciously and carefully and as accurately as you can — and then try to do your own again. This time really paring attention to feel the forms. I bet you’ll see MASSIVE progress basically overnight once you add actually drawing from the book to the theory you got from reading it.
>>6946372bro...
>>6945307add some shine/high lights for the water>>6945477Very cool robo girl>>6946070attempt succeeded
>>6946414Just do both. Life drawing with the express purpose of thinking about and understanding an objects perspective is good experience for pushing your understanding. Drawing random boxes from imagination is good experience for applying that gained understanding. Just be sure to constantly ask questions so as to not fall into the rote step-by-step execution of simplistic 1/2/3 point perspective. How do you rotate a box this way, or that way, and why doesn't that work, what am i missing, etc. And on top of that habitually stare at the edges of random shit regardless of what your doing and you'll be a master of perspective in no time.
>>6946445Did you even look at the picrel I posted?>>6946372or any of the other pics I posted here?I did both.It's a drawing book. you kind of is expected to draw XDI'm saying that I didn't JUST copy mindlessly.I copied, read, re-read, and applied it. Me applying was literally the first pic I posted here.>Try to copy a few pages of his drawings of the mannequin he uses >>6944545this is literally it. this is THE method he expects you to do. step by step. which I did
Alright, here are the beans finallyHad them ready for hours but didn't post them for some reasonNow for some well-deserved sleep because I've been denying myself sleep until I've drawn enough
>>6946434Thanks, I have a ton of art books so I'll copy the images as I work through it, appreciate you answering peoples questions. ..What's with the Politifact checker in your top right screen?
>>6945960do you mean this book?
>>6946459new anon here, what exactly is your problem? It sounds like your just frustrated by a lack of perceived progress, but clearly you were focusing intently on building a better understanding of his concepts and while it might not feel substantial im sure your knowledge on his topics has massively grown. So what exactly have you done to apply what you learned in your own drawings? What were your major aha moments that changed your approach? It kinda just sounds like you either are just expecting a level up to happen without thinking about where what you learned fits in with what you already knew or you just haven't had enough repetition of the concepts in your own work.
>>6944304
>>6946482>It sounds like your just frustrated by a lack of perceived progresshonestly? I think you might be right on the moneyI wasn't sure if my figures were any good, so I came here with them to see if maybe I could get some light at the end of the tunnel, some sort of guidance.But everything people tell me to do is something I've already done hundreds of timesSo that only amplifies the frustration.It's like if you were trying to get into shape and people's advice were for you to run 5 miles every morning, but that's the exact thing you are already doing. so you end up thinking "fuck. Am I walking wrong now?"So that's mostly why I'm on this back and fourth. I hope I'm not being too annoying. I'm just really trying to learn.what exactly have you done to apply what you learned in your own drawings?That's mostly what I'm trying to do right now with my figures. I'm trying to understand and make it second nature to me. But now I'm more confused than ever if this is the right approach XDMan this sucks.
>>6946494learning is a war of attrition won by repetition. Past all the conceptualizing of hard ideas, at the end of it, you just got to sit down and do it a bunch. There's really no such thing as reading all about how to do a thing, do it once, and bam now your done, thing learned.
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testing ideas, because I hate the look of most digital tutorials so I'm trying to replicate trad charcoal tutorials. I think the shrink/upscale makes easier to check my poor values.
>>6946434Right side of the brain anon here, thanks Powell. Could I also ask if, when you do the exercises in the book, should you stay away from employing construction? Like if the book tells you to draw someone’s head, I should stay away from anything like drawing a box or Loomis head?
>>6946518Pawell, sorry. G-dd-ng phoneposting
>>6946464If you have enough paper for it, I recommend doing the bean exercise with larger strokes
>>6946523the fuck is that
>>6946524the PS1 bean
>>6946434Ah, so i'm lacking behind, I take that as a sign of improvement. Thanks! I'm also 36 anon
>>6946523I'll do thatAlso I lost track of the step after the beans, where you swap it with rudimentary torso shapesWhere is that tutorial
>>6946524Why, it's a human bean!It appears in weeks 2 and 5 of Proko's Figure Drawing Fundamentals, as well as Vilppu's Drawing Manual in chapters 2 and 3.You don't necessarily use it to learn anatomy and have all your figures look like human beans forever, you use it to have an anchoring point from which you would "hang" so to speak, all of the anatomical features of the body (from the bean), as it's easier to block in larger masses of the body first (using the human bean), and then afterwards, working on the more intricate details of the anatomy(Well, unless you're at KJG's level then none of this is necessary)You'll also see similar volumes being used in Hampton's figure drawing bookIt's also important to note that the human bean is only a means to an end; it can help your drawings have a more underlying sense of structure, but it's not the actual finished drawing in and of itself
>>6946491Make sure you don't mess up the filename again ainigger
sketch for tonight
>>6946546fuck you paranoid idiot
>>6946568Post layers then
>>6946571I double the bet ask me to draw you something girl
>>6946571What's going on, are you screwed???
>2x esl response
>>6946588I'm going to write them down in my notebook of things that I don't give a shit about, you cuckold
How do you start rendering digitally? I bought an ipad yesterday and did picrel but I'm really struggling with understanding how to do the next steps of breaking down flat shapes and rendering them into recognizable clothes/shoes/body parts.
>>6946459>Did you even look at the picrel I posted?Yes>or any of the other pics I posted here?All of them. I don’t think you copied mindlessly any more. I thought that before, when I thought you’d copied all the drawings in the book. I realize now that’s not what you were doing. I now think you simply didn’t copy enough of the thing you’re specifically trying to learn, assuming you’re trying to learn his mannequin to construct dynamic poses from imagination. It doesn’t look like you were very intentional with the underlying forms in this,— for example, the wonky ellipses on the ends of the cylinders in your drawings of the flexed arm and the model of the bicep contracting. >>Try to copy a few pages of his drawings of the mannequin he uses>>6944545 #>this is literally it. this is THE method he expects you to do. step by step. which I didI meant that you should fill pages of just drawings of the mannequin, specifically paying attention to getting the simple forms to work in perspective. I drew some to show you what I mean. If I were trying to learn this mannequin, I’d fill a couple 4,000x4,000 canvases with just copies of his drawings of the mannequin. So, several times over what’s in picrel. I’d also practice it from memory/imagination and then check with his drawings to see where I fucked up. Then try again. So I think you should maybe try doing some studies or master copies of his drawings of the mannequin. And be intentional with your forms. >>6946494That one is mostly pretty good. The pelvis box doesn’t quite match the tilt of/line up with the ASIS points of the blue under/over drawing, but it’s not a big deal. The blue figure drawings are pretty good, btw. If that’s the end result, don’t sweat getting the mannequin perfect. Just good enough to lay the foundation for the final drawing. As long as that works out, the mannequin can be a literal stick figure.>>6946482>>6946502This anon speaks truth.>>6946478Yes.
>>6946546lifeless and stiff........... needs more ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...... Rommis.... also feel ze forms mkay.
ughhh..... wrong link>>6946491>>6946615
>>6946615Is her forearm going in between ze ass
>>6946615But they said loomis is a trap
>>6946617if you have to ask, yes
how do i learn to draw like this?
>>6946608>>6946502The ones in the picrel specifically I also have all of them copied XD (albeit not a good as yours)>for example, the wonky ellipses on the ends of the cylinders in your drawings of the flexed arm and the model of the bicep contracting.I'll be honest. cylinders are my biggest weakness. I have a real hard time drawing ellipses in one go because of some nerve damage to my wrists.You can see in pretty much all of my ellipses that there are more hits than misses>So I think you should maybe try doing some studies or master copies of his drawings of the mannequin. And be intentional with your forms.Yeah that probably be pretty good!the problem is that throughout the book he barely uses this mannequin. Like even if I were to copy all of his box mannequin that show up on the book. I don't think I'd be able to fill that entire canvas XDSpecially since he constantly tries to push for those more "accurate" versions of it>don’t sweat getting the mannequin perfect. Just good enough to lay the foundation for the final drawing. As long as that works out, the mannequin can be a literal stick figure.Thank you!That's basically my philosophy on why I rush a lot of these mannequins.I feel like it would be more important to get the "meat" right, than the construction that no one will seeThank you for the tips.I guess I'll just copy all of the instances were he shows the box mannequin, round them all up in a single canvas, a single place and go from there. continuing with the figures I'm doing now.I'm currently on my 17th, I can probably reach 95~ by the end of the day. Hopefully that repetition will help "solidify" things to me.
>>69465951. Establish light direction2. Based on the form that you drew in the line art, create simple shapes that accentuate this form3. Put in flat shadow colors within these areas4. Use the hard round brush to try to sculpt out some discernible three-dimensional form using the flat shadow colors from the previous step5. use the airbrush to blend everything togetherPlease note that this is only an extremely rudimentary and basic example, it's only to get your feet wet and used to the meta of painting digitally, at some point you would want to start studying the anatomy of lighting using a sphere which will allow you to describe much more complex forms using midtones and whatnotIncidentally, if you only want to focus on pure cel-shading you can actually just stop at step number three, since there’s no rendering involved (but the shadow / light shapes in the case of cel-shading are different from what I’ve used here)
>>6944947>>6944923pyw
>>6946615you're the best redliner second only to teal
>>6946638>That's basically my philosophy on why I rush a lot of these mannequins. I feel like it would be more important to get the "meat" right, than the construction that no one will seeold new anon again, id be careful with this type of thinking. When intentionally rushing you're going to take a quality hit that's worse then your best possible, its inherent to doing it sloppily for the sake of speed, which can introduce cascading errors down through the whole piece. Masters know where this poorer quality is irreverent or can see past it but when your still learning i'd hazard it's less clear. Just be mindful of that.Besides, for me, when learning new shit, i find it's far more important to be mindful of getting it right before anything else, even if it's initially slow, even really slow. By always striving for the best quality you can do, you set a kind of consistent "your 100%" best baseline and a time it took you to do it. Which i find helpful for giving a clear goal of "that but just a bit faster". If you're not trying for the utmost best, then you end up giving it inconsistent effort, which will give you inconsistent times for completion, on top of the inconsistency of rushing, ending in incredibly inconsistent results. And how do you possibly make that any better.
So what's the best way to approach learning anatomy? I know keeping a good anatomy book beside you is good when studying it, but what else should I keep in mind when trying to retain anatomy in my head?Also pic related is just me randomly copying a figure with as less lines as possible
>>6946698psd file for assholes ia paranoidshttps://gofile.io/d/13EVTj
>>6946615Yes everything is ok but you put the forearm in his ass, but the rest is fine so I take your correction
>>6946615You turned the innocent girl who touched her buttocks into a desperate nymphomaniac prostitute with condoms, there is an audience for everything.
Please correct this because I don't understand arms.
>>6946638Not that anon you're replying to, but it's worth getting extremely tight ellipse / cylinder control, because once you start copying more difficult plates, (besides also needing the necessary observation skills) you'll also need the muscle memory that will keep all the lines in order, plus if you have problems with primitives / ellipses, that’ll make it harder to copy what’s in the plate, since the forms / shapes / negative shapes will be a lot more advanced than just basic primitives / ellipses
>>6946638>cylinders are my biggest weakness.Yeah, ellipses are among the hardest things to draw ever.>nerve damage to my wrists.Try drawing with your whole arm rather than just your fingers or wrists. When I draw ellipses and circles I generally don't use my wrists and fingers that much at all. Look up how they do ellipses in Dynamic Sketching and Draw A Box. You start out by ghosting the ellipse/circle motion and then just touch your pen down to create the ellipse. >That's basically my philosophy on why I rush a lot of these mannequins.>I feel like it would be more important to get the "meat" right, than the construction that no one will seeYeah. I mean, you can't rush and be lazy, you have to understand the perspective and the form for your mannequin/gesture to work, obviously. But as long as the drawing works you can do whatever. That's why there's so many different approaches to gesture/construction. It's just about what works for you. >Hopefully that repetition will help "solidify" things to me.I guarantee that it will. Remember to pay attention and do it consciously, though. Don't rush. It's like when learning to play a song on an instrument, you practice slow, precisely, each note synced to a slow metronome. Then you gradually increase the BPM to the performance speed. It builds muscle memory, and paying deliberate attention makes you notice and pick up on things you wouldn't have otherwise. Remember what Michelangelo said: "A man paints with his brains, not with his hands.”Godspeed anon! You're on the right track.
my lines with my tablet trail off weirdly. when I lift off, the lines get "tails" that kinda flick in any direction from how i'm holding my pen. is it a technique thing? how should I set pressure sens?
>>6946434God loomis is such trash
idrc about improving anatomy at this point cos the limitations of my shitty shaky hands and motivation-averse brain are the only thing holding me back anymoreand i think i could make some kind of action/drama webcomic with this style if i found a writer to work withtime to go read scott robertson's books all day until i can draw jets and mecha
>>6944584>he fell for the constructoid memesuccessfully crabbed, we got him pawell sisters
this one is hard to copy bros..
>>6946866>copying mediocre league artyoull get far
>>6946881i really like the old splash artsthis zed one is timeless
>>6946884i like them too however copying that slop when you could instead copy much better art will get you nowhere
>>6946886do you have any eastern artists recommendations that i can copy? i like to copy kazuma kanekos and fighting game art, i love their style and there's a bunch of them in the internet and they're decently varied so i don't copy the same pose over and over which is good
>>6946891If you're into lol splashes, this channel might be right down your alley. I hear good things about him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGyqEiwvrQ8
>>6946901>>6946891Actually, I should have linked this one, same channel but this is the vid I remember watching back in the day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poAC0ALXJe4
>>6946467we live in post truth society where any valid criticism or uncomfortable opinions are labeled as disinformation in vain attempt to censore them. my water marks are obscure critique of society. after all, could anyone even consume art without it being fackchecked first?if you know advanced drawer tricks, i fail to see why wouldnt you use them for your disposal. for example loomis book never said anywhere a single word about perspective, yet i can see loomis stealthily using vanishing points on some of his figures. Why wouldnt i use perspective knowledge to improve the loomis construction?the goal is to ammass and combine all the drawers know-how to draw better. that is why i am doing so many different art books all aimed at same topics: to see if there isnt a better way to do it.
>>6946945nice
>>6946070another wip
happy thanksgiving i wont be drawing today either
How do you draw a black cat? As you can see, I do not know.
listening to this nonstop loophits hardhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_5kIzyCY6o
>>6946975>not drawing today either poster is a yankcant say that im surprised
>>6946967theft cant be dis cute
>>6946982Like a regular cat, but black fur. And bigger lips and nose. And stupider.Probably has a gun, too, but doesn’t really know how to use it.
long time since posting (6 months or something?), is it accurate enough?
>>6947107its nice but way too identical to what you copied. you should use it as reference not copy 1:1 which you can do with the Reilly method.
>>6947109>is it accurate enough?>>6947109>but way too identical to what you copiedThat's what he was going for you dummy.
>>6947109I was going for a copy since I wanted to test my accuracy skills but never heard of the Reilly method, whats that?
>barely drawn any in the past week aside from daily 30 minute Croquisbros im not gonna make it but I have no idea what I should be drawing daily when studying anatomy, doing bones and muscles seems like a waste since you never draw them but drawing individual body parts doesn't seem like it will add up to a better whole
>>6946434It's >>6946119Here is another pic I did today, feel better about it, though was a tad tired and didn't feel like finishing it there and then.
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>>6947233Lower torso is noticeably way too long bro
>>6947220I like what you do with shading. somewhat gimmicky but interesting.
>>6947233lmaoooo wtf
>>6947233had the same issue as you, i was told to draw a proportion diagram to practice
>>6947107NO! its NOT accurate, you missed 2 pixels on the far end of the heel. This is disastruous, just consider a different career already.Now seriously, why do you need approval from a den of degenerates? you clearly have a level of skill so why dont you go somewhere else? Literally any place is better than /ic/.Whats that? you want me to post my work? Well, you are reading my work, I'm here to save people from the sorry fate of being here forever as were-crabs and I will not stop doing it.
Did a sketch of the Discobolos. Might do a longer study of it, kinda feeling this statue today.
>>6947268he's missing all the shading where the scratches follow the contour denoting form, the shades for the diferent planes, lacks contrast, line weight contrastIf he considers trying those points he should get it done
Am I doing Vilppu right?
Let me share some cringe with you.The guy >>6946159 posted is exactly the kind of person you dont want to be. Now the problem is not that his art is beginner level or that he gives advice, the thing is, this guy acts like he's no beginner. Dude spends more time editing videos where he's talking about art than drawing, and why the f would you make full videos like you're giving advice and experience e.g. how to draw faces when you clearly havent mastered shit. I think these people don't want to be artists, they just seen some art YouTubers and want to be them.
>>6947065Cute
who else ring-finger-longer-than-index-finger-chad?
>>6946518i just realized i forgot to (You) you. The other half of this >>6946945 was meant for (You).
>>6947356no
>>6947364Can you point out the glaring flaws or redline it for me then? Where do I add a few more leaves to cover the flaws?
More morphos
umm /beg/ sisters?
How do you learn to paint like Ashley Wood?
>>6947267I'll do more of those
still in process ik, but, arw his eyes to big??? i also think his neck looks strange, tell me what u think
How do I into drawing folds and painting?
>>6947404pretty good but I think his jaw might be a little too small
>>6947394what about it. how old is he? approaching 40? he cant compete with me on anything whatsoever
>>6947407You need a pretty decent understanding of 3D forms before you can tackle draperyFolds / clothing / drapery / etc is just 3D forms doing weird wavy shitHere's a snippet from a study I did, with the topology of the cloth traced over the top to show how the form changes
>>6947409smth more like this? (ik isnt the best quality, but i did fast so)
>>6947419much better
>>6947422ty, i like it more like that too
Is drawing overlapping ellipses and sculpting a viable way to construct bodies? My brain feels like shorting out when I'm trying to draw things properly.
>>6947471yes it is, with the Reilly method
>>6947479>picscaryThanks, tho. Will try to figure something out.
>>6946434>the diff between needing and not needing reference is what separates BEG and INT in my humble opinion. drawing without ref is hard as fucktrue, I can only make decent stuff when I'm heavily inspired, the rest is as my original post said, trash, maybe you really fluctuate in ability when having inspo or not...
Alright so something new, I decided to try doing eye studies though...again late because I am an idiot who always does stuff late for some reason. These are bad, but clearly not something I could have done two months ago still, and first time really trying it so I shouldn't be too harsh on myself. Still, looks soulless.
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>>6947538Thanks so much for this.That being said I forgot to mention that originally I was gonna do her right eye (her right, and only her right), but then at the last minute decided to do her left eye and...yeah I didn't really do it properly hence why her angle is completely off. I did this within like 20 minutes too, possibly less. Thanks for the critique regardless though, if I redraw it I'll do it better next time. And the pastry strip advice is useful too as I did struggle with that.
Is perspective supposed to be so daunting? Every other fundie seems feasible, but perspective just doesn't make any sense to me. All those grids, measuring, etc.
Hello beg. Loomis hats. This was what ever but i wont pass up opportunity to be an art slacker.>>6947471there are no rules in art, only tools and fools. some drawers first make incoherent scribbles, some set up perspective grid, some start with gesture and loomis always starts with a circle>>6947394luckily for us he has no neuroplasticity left nor asian genes so this isnt threat to us at all>>6947356i will crab you easily on this: its sideways. otherwise it looks okay. sonsider upgrading your toolkit and instead of forcing pencil to make thick dark line use sharpie or marker instead>>6947271looks stiff, but maybe the original is also stiff>>6947220i like how you use yellow as another value>>6947127just pick art book and go page by page, that way you never have to think about what to draw when you dont know>>6947107from what book is this? and no, you didnt develop the values enough. notice how original has pure black spots while you have none. good value range is VERY important>>6946982https://archive.org/details/Keys_to_Drawing/page/60make tonal bar exercise and then realize black cat is like white cat but you use only darker values to depict it. you drew the cat completely flat like this>>6946817depends on the hardware (my old tablet did this, my new one xppen deco l has so sensitive nib the spring no longer makes these) and on the software. for example some brushes have post mark correction where they eliminate this. In krita you can set up instead of pressure to use pressureIN which will eliminate these completely>>6946491booba>>6947605perspective is piss easy, literally just 3 rules. but i guess average drawer isnt used to absolute rules mindset where it is correct/wrong only. try Dongho Kim: Space Drawing Perspective, that is very friendly material for people who hate strict rules.
constructing first made my shit look even worse than it would normally lol, I'm learning all these fundamentals but it seems weird, I'm clueless on how to go from that little construction to a full blown sketch... how can I draw the ribcage from that angle and make it look good, mine looks straight from uncanny valley
>>6947616i don't know, it just feels like i'm not even drawing anymore with all the shit i'd have to do to place something in perspective like tb choi did in pic rel
>>6947619reference, use it
>>6947632what is this autism stop that
>>6947641is that not a good way to learn perspective? i assumed that's how every teacher teaches it because even krenz does shit like that
>>6947638I can't use them forever...
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>>6947704is it okay to use other peoples art as reference like that?
>>6947704now rotate her 30 degrees to the right
>>6947704thanks for taking the time to make that, I understand what you mean, I'm gonna start stealing like a real mf hehe (jk, but I see your point on comparing my shit attempt with a good artist)
>>6947711>>6947712>>6947716For as long as I exist in a complete void like Plato's cave, I will never obtain the necessary information required to draw in a particular style, or to understand any type of three-dimensional forms for that matter, if you're referring to the possibility that doing studies of a certain artist will eventually remove any of your individuality in drawing, I would assert that having a higher level of skill in general would nullify that problem, as you would not be bound strictly to whatever you would have learned from the studies, if you're referring to legal issues, then this is only a study and not a completely finished piece that I would be publishing somewhere on Twitter for the world to see, if you're referring to something else besides what I mentioned please press zero for further information.If I really wanted to be original I should go back in time before Brunelleschi invented perspective and figure it out for myselfHuman anatomy by itself does not contain the magical blueprints that would allow a complete beginner who has never drawn before in their lives to become a professional; if we do not learn how other people – who are much more experienced than us – take that same human anatomy and sculpt it into a form that actually resembles 3D volume, our art will always be limited. Art is the collective suffering and persevering efforts of many fantastically genius human beings throughout many centuries, and if we think we can bypass all of that through some romantic notion that copying is evil / not unique, we will never make it.
how to draw hands
Trying Proko's robo beansAny pointers? Do I just keep going until these improve?
>>6947903my beans for reference>>6946464
>>6947903>>6947824Don’t forget to just draw random shit, though what I mean in my particular interpretation of “just draw” is to approach it with a looser and more playful attitude - if you do want to grind the beans, I would add just silly nonsensical things like hair, glasses, poorly drawn legs, things that might even make you laugh while you’re drawing them; pure grinding does have its purposes, but you can get burned out from allowing the grind to take over the fun (of course I know it sucks either way as a beginner, but I have to emphasize that drawing is a serious paradigm shift from instant gratification, to being content with the activity itself regardless of whatever is produced, and once that shift takes place, thoughts of “I must improve” are there nonetheless, but they’re no longer the major driving force for wanting to draw in the first place)Pencil strokes = memorization of negative shapes, both mentally and physically in your musclesMore pencil strokes = upgrade the 3D-modeling engine in our brains(mileage, studies, copying people, drawing from memory / imagination, drawing random shit, conscious analysis and conscious fixing of mistake-patterns, because if you draw long enough you have to start noticing the same patterns, then it’s a matter of addressing them through repeating this vicious cycle for many hundreds of hours)It's a long road, and if we don't learn to enjoy ourselves, we'll be turning the car back around before we know it. These are just some of my nonsensical musings and what I’ve experienced personally, I don’t claim to be any authority on the matter
>>6947929truehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMLEudGbxQkgotta find something you actually want to draw doe
I noticed some intersting things in pawell's work.Look at the middle drawing. very accurate copy. he was probably fascinated by the dominant masculine features of the man and imagined running his hands through them as he hatched the lines along the forms. This is the story I get from the linesOn the drawing of the left you can see that he could not hide his deep contempt. He was repulsed by the feminine features, the dirty look on the face shows his disdain. I think he saw the man as a cockroach and wanted to kill him.On the drawing of the right you can see he did not care at all, he just gave up. The warped face of the bitch shows his view of the female look being absurd and ridiculous, I think he could not wait to finish it. He find absolutely nothing attractive about the female form.
>>6947616My pics always come out sideways kekI used charcoal to set it up firat, going over with a pencil and erasing charcoal and thickening the lines by feel afterward Next step is adding ink for lineart and render once everything is toned in
>>6947993During the few times in my life I ever talked to a grill, there's a pressure that builds up, and a point of no return which must be crossed before that decisive mental moment (something of a quantum leap) which leads to the final “holy shit this is really happening I’m doing it”, and I think drawing in the early stages is a lot like that, but I can be damn certain that if I were to expose myself to that same exact stimulus enough times, it's in the best interest of my nervous system / biological functioning to mitigate its intensity over time so I don’t dieI think it's like reverse general adaptation syndrome, because you build up a tolerance to it where it's not as unpleasant and nerve-wracking to talk to a grill, or in this case, to start drawing spontaneously without regard to the quality of our scribbles - but if we do not expose ourselves to that unpleasant stimulus sufficiently, we’ll never get into the groove of drawing random shit regularly
>>6944773what are you 6 years old? fix your handwriting first lol
>>6947546Sure anon, no problem. The key is to keep drawing and be consistent. Try copying these eye plates, they were helpful for me to grow in my understanding of the form when I was starting to learn portraiture and facial anatomy.
Random stuff from today
>>6948025original plates
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>>6948030>>6948031are these from like a book or something
>>6948053They're tutorials I bought from Naranbatarhttps://www.artstation.com/naranbaatars
Hi anons, inkfag here from some days ago. This is how is coming out. Hair was tricky to understand, but I think is alright. Only a little messy
my first attempt at painting
hi
>>6948090pyw
>>6948092I was banned for the past 4 days but here is a timelapse of the last thing I tried to draw.Painkillers just started working on a torn back muscle so I will get back to work.
>>6948098why were you banned
>>6948098you need vilppu
>>6948099Calling a AI twat the nigger word and the tranny word on /g/.I don't have strong feelings against AI shit but I think whoever considers themselves to be a real artist or a real programmer or writer or whatever because they can ask a machine to do it for themselves is pathetic and delusional.Its like coming to a weightlifting meet with a forklift, to a boxing fight with a shotgun or to a cooking competition with just UberEats.yeah, you had the thing done but what happens when Microsoft takes your Dall-e shit away or the SD models fuck up and the words used no longer output the same shit?Someone who learnt how to draw will draw with even a piece of chalk and a sidewalk no matter if Bill Gates takes away his entire computer and operating system away.I may be mediocre and my art is dogshit at best but that dogshit came out of nobodies asshole but mine and I can take that fat fucking turd whenever I please./blog.>>6948100His esoteric "feel the form" shit has always evaded me. Feels like he is laughing at me.What could I learn from him? I have been told before that Vilppu teaches how to overlap forms and make good curvy bodies.I don't know if I am getting this through but I am VERY stupid.
>>6948102>I don't have strong feelings against AI shit but I think whoever considers themselves to be a real artist or a real programmer or writer or whatever because they can ask a machine to do it for themselves is pathetic and delusional.based>nigger and tranny buzzwordsYou could at least put in the effort to cleverly shit on retards.
>>6948109Why when a good old "NIGGERCATTLE" and "YWNBAW" or "YWNBARA" works?
>>6948114It doesnt work you just come off as assmad and as a different brand of retard. Take the time and pleasure insulting them with something memorable. Something that will stick in their head days after the interaction. calling someone black who isnt black or trans when theyre not trans means doesnt do shit. Sure it might work on sensitive snowflakes a little but youre not memorable or noteworthy. And that shit wont really phase anyone whos spent any significant time here.
>>6948121I understand your point but I don't think enough of them to put more effort than simple and cliché single-word insults. I just hurl a couple insults and go my way but seems that was enough to piss some janny off to ban me for a couple days.
>>6948125I mean part of the fun of 4chan imo is taking the time and effort to insult somebody. So long as i avoid using gamer words or fall back on low born shit like racism i wont be banned. I might be /beg/ at art but i take pride in my shit talking. Hell you can even get away with more pointed shit if you make it funny for 3rd parties to read
>>6948102>>6948102I unironically don't understand how any of you DON'T understand what he means by feeling the form. When you're drawing, are you telling me that you don't feel the action of the pose too? What, next you'll tell me that when you're playing Mario kart and you're drifting a corner that you don't also lean your body? Jesus Christ.
>>6948139:(
a most simple task that is with the Reilly method
>>6947616>>6947268>>6947279Quick fix
why is this rendering shitty and how do i fix it
this time i used only my own hand as referencedidnt look at the hands i drew prior for help eitherbut then as i was shading it and putting in values i changed my mind on how to do it midway but i didnt put it on a separate layer and undoing it didnt go back far enough but i also didnt want to erase it or redraw it and then i got a bit angry at it and just kind of brute forced it, i dont know. got way too dark due to this.anyway, its not about the end product but about the lesson learned, which i learned, so.
>>6948399>>6948399>>6948399>>6948399>>6948399a
>>6948237Yes you added some of the countour-like shading, but not as conscious, if you pa attention, the original mixes diferent angles, to indicate forms or planes to contrast them not in tone of light/shade value, but on concavity/convexity
>>6948014The right one has great shading though. Features are skewed, but it is the most polished.
>>6944304I'm trying to use the "Rule of Thirds" more consistently with my works. I'm not sure if I should place the characters and objects on the intersections or next to them.Applying values to colors is also something I'm learning to do. Specifically, using Screen and Multiply blending modes to apply highlights and shadows to the composition without making the blocks of color muddy or a grey mess.
>>6948129Interesting, what's the story here?
