You did enter the ARC competition this year right anon? Easy 130k for winning. Last year's winner inside thread
>>7374117this thread wouldve gone crazy like 4 months ago lowkey
Last year's winning in pic. It is fucking easy to win this shit. And all past winners here https://www.artrenewal.org/Salon/Home>>7374122Next year we get in. No joke I'll try my hands on it in a few years and if I win the lottery I'll make sure to thank 4chin in my talk https://youtu.be/6VeQ5mC7qgsAlso notice how every 3-5 years cunny wins starting from second year, sometimes you just know
>>7374135yeah no chance, I'll enter in like 15 years lol
>>7374135who let /lsg/ in
I wanted to participate in this contest with an high concept oil piece, but was way to slow.https://henkiart.com/henki-art-prize/Now i will finish the painting and send it to the Jackson Art Contest, its quite big, the deadline is 25 Nov.I want to enter some smaller contests here in Germany, should be less competition then international.I want to enter as much of them as possible, actually, that's the plan for the next couple of months. But for many of them you have to pay up to 100 bucks to enter, what sounds like scam.If there are more people interested in art contests, it may be reasonable to make a general for it.
>>7374487this is just modern art garbage, i doubt you have a painting that could be posted for ARC and for this shit since they have very different tastes and probably wildly different criteria of what makes a good painting
>>7374487>>7374495nevermind i reread the message, im retarded
>>7374495Yeah i know. I saw the announcement in the summer, many people i follow did reposted it.ARC wants it very realistic, you would need high quality, custom, unpublished photo shoots as reference or even hire a model, costumes etc.Maybe i can do it next year.But Jacksons Art Prize is nice as well, a mixture between realism and contemporary. Something i probably can do right now.https://www.jacksonsart.com/artprize/2024-2/
>>7374135>file.jpgIt looks quite solid. To modern for my taste, but decent. Not as good as Lipkings Girl (and Lipkings Girl is not as good as Bouguereau Girls) but way more pleasant, than "high concept" - low skill contemporary shit.
>>7374504They also accept impressionistic realism, but looking at the winners I doubt they have much of a chance
>>7374554>impressionistic realismYou could interpret this therm in a lot of ways. When you hear Americans talk about it, most of the time it means more or less just loos brushstrokes. Its a very common practice for a long time, to bring focus to your focal point by changing the tightness of brushstrokes.If there is a person in the picture, the face is the focal point, so you paint the face and hands tight, and you make everything else loose.>>7374507>>7374135Both this paintings do this. But in a good way.What i hate, is when hacks do it, just cos they cant paint backgrounds.Like this joke. Your tracing a photo with the most boring technique, and then to seem more artsy, you smear shit around the traced head. Like look mom, im a real artist, im making brushstrokes.
>>7374117You can still enter this one.https://www.portraitsociety.org/the-international-portrait
>>7374641I hate people like, you wouldn't believe it
>>7374662Jesus Christ why is it so repulsive compared to paintings of old like Rembrandt with a bust of Homer.
>>7374662Its international, idiot, you dont have to be American.
>>7374671I hate Americans too now that you mention it
>>7374669Shitty flat artificial light is shit, the smug faces don't help it either
>>7374669>why is it so repulsiveVery primitive technique. Photo realism tries to look like a photo print, real painter use transparency, layers, impasto etc. to make the picture much richer.Uncanny valley effect. You cant get rid of it, when your technique is poor and you just copy photos.>>7374672Okey, im not, im Russian.
>>7374662>wins popular voteHow much did he pay for everyone's vote
>>7374679>im russianto the front lines with you Dmitri, we need more artists to paint the horrors of war
>>7374692Unironically easy money if anon decides to do that (and survives)
>>7374692Right after you, Dmitro.
i don't like their style, and it was hard in the beginning to filter out their influence as someone who is interested in actually classical renaissance works.
>>7374487how do you learn of the smaller competitions in Germany?It's always so hidden. I never know what's going on. I guess you have to be part of some mainstream predictable art bubble and buy magazines or shit.
>>7374826nta but adding signing up for galleries' mailing list might be an option
>>7374826You can google it and there are sites specialized on it, but you have to pay for most of them.Last week i got an add at instagram, it was an local art prize, i engaged with it, and a little bit later i got more. If you like all of them, the algo will push more and more to you. But many of them are shady and scammy, you have to watch out.But im not part of the scene. I guess if you would be part of the left, progressive clique, you would have access to a lot more resources. The government is spending a lot of money for ultra progressive, political stuff. But you need to know the right people. I obviously dont.Otherwise Germany is very bad for artists. Especially if you paint remotely classical. If you are not interested in ultra-contemporary art you have to look at the US and UK, ot at least Italy or the Netherlands.>>7374818>who is interested in actually classical renaissance worksNah, the ARC and Americans in general are far away from the Renaissance. I mean, there was never a Renaissance in America.Americans are obsessed with Sargent and Zorn. But its more show then anything, the arent many Americans who paints like late 19 century masters. 98% of American artist don care to learn the authentic technique. Most of them, and you can see it very clearly, if you look at the entries of ARC are very, influenced by photorealism, the vast majority is a mixture of photorealism and post-impressionism.
>>7374679>real painter use transparency, layers, impasto etc. to make the picture much richer.Not saying that the painting doesn't look like shit (I hate most of his subjects), but you know nothing about Jeff Hein's technique. He uses tons of layers, handles transparency like crazy. Layers and transparencies don't show at all in pictures, which you would know if you knew what you were talking about. >>7374860Americans coming from the GCA/Water Street school don't give a shit about Sargent/Zorn, they're all about the 19th century french academics. Problem is, they don't seem to have a lot of success, because the public seems to prefer more Sargent-ey work.
>>7374860that's what i meant. i'm interested in renaissance specifically, which is why i don't like ARC's style. however anyone who is looking into how to draw like old masters or "classically" get introduced to ARC and bargue instead. they even have a grift going on where they list their pedigree going back to the renaissance as if art and teaching didn't change through the centuries.
>>7374880>Layers and transparencies don't show at all in picturesNo no, they do to a degree. Look up high res photos of Rembrandt, you can see quite a lot what color was used and what not.I looked up the guy, and you are right, he is working a lot with layering. He is strange. He is way better, than this horrific picture would suggest. On his instagram, he has 2 kinds of paintings. More classical, with a lot texture, which look decent.And other are ugly and photorealistic, like this one.https://www.instagram.com/p/1YIXNzJb5W/?hl=en>>7374880>GCA/Water StreetWhat is this. What do you mean by french realism? Sight size autistic renders of Charles Bargue?This french realism?Oh my god, i hate it so much, this is such a cancer, America has to stop pushing this shit. I hate 90s photorealism more, but this one comes close.Americans will never accept it, for political reasons, but the Soviet academic drawing school is waaay superior to this French nonsense.If you want to be able to draw form and value, like not just copy tonal shapes, but really understand whats going on whit the 3d shapes and how to transfer them to a 2d sheet, you need to go full communism. Pic related.
>>7374907>anyone who is looking into how to draw like old masters or "classically" get introduced to ARC and bargue insteadThis is very grim. But i noticed it too, people like to claim the Italian Renaissance heritage. But in reality, they dont care at all.I saw so many """master copys""" of Rembrandt, done alla prima, with titan white... as i sad its grim.
>>7374912>What is this. What do you mean by french realism? Sight size autistic renders of Charles Bargue?I said french academicism, which is different from realism. Some people may have done sight size back then, but it was only a tool. French academics include Gerome, Proudhon, Boughereau, Ingres, David. Which some people in America (Grand Central Atelier, look it up) are trying to revive. They do NOT do sight size at GCA, and they have better form than russian graduates. And you're being disingenuous with that Loginov pic, you know perfectly well the loose, impressionistic, Sargent/Zorn shit he churns out these days, like pic related. Go ahead and find a Loginov painting with decent form from the last 3 years. Go ahead, I dare you.
>>7374117They really only like certain paintings, and these are not my type of thing. They wilp never ever let a still life win.
>>7374662>>7374507>>7374135These look great I've never seen a trad artist on here post anything that would hold a candle to these
>>7374958>thinking a trad would doxx and ruin their career by posting on 4chinThere are definitely art police karen lurkers in here and trad is a dog eat dog world
>>7374961Still doesn't prove my statement wrong. I would like to see what anons think should win instead though
>>7374964>>7374662This should've won 1st place obviously
>>7374936Im not sure what you are talking about, i will do a little research tomorrow. But i cant imagine Americans to have better form then Russians, Americans are to much influenced by the flat, French approach. But i will see, if you can name me some artists who represents this American school best, i would appreciate it.I am disingenuous with Loginov? Come on. Im not talking about the guy. Im talking about the Russian school in general. Of course i showed you a drawing from his time at the academia (Repinca if i remember correctly). Now he is out of school, and as many who went to Russian academy he dont draw in this style anymore. I guess the Russian school is too oldschool in its approach, zoomers are too soft for such levels of grind. Do i like his recent way of drawing? No. Do i like his paintings? They look like shit, i cant get in my head how someone with su h talent and education, can produce such boring, blant commission portraits. His dry brush, impressionistic paintings are better.I dont think Russian painting school is very good, it is to modern and too much influenced by Social Realism for my taste. The Russian schools are not able to transfer the form to paintings, unfortunately.
>>7374958First is shit, it obvious.The second one is good, Lipking even better. Nobody hated on this paintings.I sad its not as good as Beugeurous, would you saynotherwise?
>>7374984To be fair, I do agree with you that the Russian Academy (I'm thinking Repin/St Petersburg, I know there's academies elsewhere) is the best right now, but Grand Central has a lot of good stuff happening as well, and it feels like you don't know about them. Some links for you:>https://www.instagram.com/grandcentralatelier>https://grandcentralatelier.blogspot.com/One of the teachers there, Colleen Barry, was amazing, but now she's doing a weird contemporary style. Try to find some of her old drawings/paintings to see the best of GCA. Also look up Will St John's old work as well: >https://wooarts.com/will-st-john/
>>7374994Okey, no i know them, they are married as far as i know. I didnt know that they are associated with this art school.I will share my thoughts on them tomorrow, i follow them for a while and have some observations. I know the old stuff as well, some paintings are very nice, but other, mostly profile heads are ultra-flat, like a head on a coin. I looked at the insta page of the school, they all draw head profiles ultra flat like. Are those regular drawings or is it really practice for reliefs?But its funny, the guy has gotten a contract with the real Saatchi and is now tracing ai generated cat figures and you are hating on the woman? Her recent wolf paintings aren’t bad at all. At least shes not tracing ai like her hubby.
>>7375030I think they're both fantastic painters, I just don't like the subject matter they're going for these days, either of them. Do you have proof that Will is tracing AI stuff or are you just dissing him?They both studied at GCA (among many other places), he taught there for a while, she is currently the drawing program's director.I'd love to hear your understanding on form, seriously. To me GCA in general does great form, they render it very carefully, paying tons of attention to the separation of light and shadow, not copying values but interpreting them. Russian style is less focused on the separation of light and shadow, they care more about the planes, and they explain these not with a tight value rendering but with meticulous hatching. This is my summary of both schools after having some exposure to them.
russian, french, and all varities of american are all ghey, and always have been. if there were an existing british school it would probably be the lamest of them all.the thign they have in common being academicism. art was best when it was tutored in studios by the master-apprentice program where the students were actively involved in the entire process of making artworks, not endlessly grinding academic studies.
>>7374860Americans don't give a shit about Zorn beyond shilling the palette on youtube and they wouldn't give a shit about Sargent either if he wasn't (tentatively) American.
>>7374958Where IS the /trad/ thread, anyway?I come on here infrequently these days, but I see it less and less as time goes on.
>>7375441since brian stopped posting(thank you allah for killing him) the trad threads are less frequent, there have never been very many different posters there anyhow but i do miss it as well. also one issue they had was that it was ussually brian that made the threads and they never had links to anything relating to trad art like mmg or asg have
>>7375460Damn, that sucks. (The shuttering of the threads, not the loss of Cumfarti kek)I was thinking of starting a few myself, but I was also at a loss for what kinds of links to post in the header.The holidays have freed up some time for me, so I might brainstorm something soon. Fingers crossed.
>>7375467i hope you do make one,the thread kindof needs an identity(is it just for posting trad?for studies?for projects?self promo?) would reccomend links to https://artsandculture.google.com/ for HQ trad art (use dezoomify to download the pictures) mby some links to sites with decent references mby have links for resources on the russian approach and the french approach to drawing and painting (if its a lot of links you could just make a pastebin) link some yt channels for trad art i personally liked the history of french academic painting by Ramon Hurtado.i mean this is just some stuff of the top of my head that the thread might benefit from
Anyway, is anywone entering Jacksons Art Prize? I do, not sure if i will post here anything, though.>>7375318>Do you have proof that Will is tracing AI stuff or are you just dissing him?Oh come on, do you really want to play this game? He is a cringe boomer, he has tried the nft scam in the past, he is posting ai shit memes all the time. The cat has obviously all the ugly ai artifacts.>Russian style is less focused on the separation of light and shadowThis is true, very often the little volumes get to much focus and the overall separation isnt clean enough. Even here >>7374912 its great, yes, but, it need a little bit more harmonization, to be perfect. The little volumes on the side of the head have a little bit too much contrast.I think this is the reason, why its so hard, to transfer such drawing into paintings.>>7375441>Where IS the /trad/ thread, anyway?There is no need for it. 95% of tradfags are just tracing ai slop this days and 99% of the audience isnt able to notice.Trad is dead, forget about it.
no (You)s for pathetic bait
>>7375467>>7375460it makes sense that there are no links. trad is far more varied than something specific like manga. in subject, form, materials, culture, and others, both by necessity and accident. even something like oil paint is versatile in practice.
>>7375863i agree that trad is very varied but the treads lacked any real goal other than posting your art and asking cumfarti to kill himself trad could encompass links for competitions(like this thread) art history stuff and much more, it would actually make the threads more lively with discussion and legitimize the thread more as THE place to post your trad art and not just a place for cumfarti to self masturbate
>>7375913i think it's because while those who are interested in art history and reference historical materials, theories, and practices would belong in trad threads, the truth is that most artists who happen to do traditional media are not at all into that. /ic/ has an idea of someone working with traditional media as being like masters from centuries ago in spirit, but that's only conflating two separate definitions of "traditional." and those who are into that likely take a long time in planning and executing their works so it will end up the same as before, that someone who can churn out low effort paintings will out post them many times more.
>>7375913Mixing art practice and art history is too much.Basic tutorials for oil and water color are fine, art competitions and prizes too, but too much bloat would not help.
>>7375913fuck off, art history is cancer specifically made up to give loser failures who can't paint jobs in universities
>>7377174HEY!You're right but some one has to write artist bios and essays on varnish!
>>7374117Fuck I missed the competition again.
>>7375481Those are good ideas, anon!I subscribe to Ramon on YT, so I'll add him to the header.I know about the Russian Method of Drawing and I've watched some small documentaries on them, but I've never seen an online community about the Russian School. NMA has a course by a graduate of that school though so maybe I can provide a link to some of his courses online? Or the ones on the Club. I'll try encrypting those links, just in case.Maybe we can all add/create a mega guide about books related to trad drawing and painting. Like a hi-res image or flowchart for Academic Method.>>7375863I think there are some schools of thought that might warrant it- like the aforementioned Russian or French schools of painting. Golden Age Illustration for Comics and Advertising also owes a lot to those schools of draftsmanship. If you have some new ways of using Oil Paint that you think may be interesting, you can post some of the links here so I can add them to the thread.I'm screenshotting this thread to brainstorm for later.
>>7375913Same anon from upthread here:>>7375441>>7377222I'm subscribed to the mailing list for the ARC, but I didn't enter this year due to other time constraints.What are some other major competitions you guys would be interesting in seeing in /TRAD/?I know of some other grant opportunities that are international, but they have long lead-in times and require you to have a body of work.Do you guys want to see competitions from magazines or websites like Beautiful Bizarre or ImagineFX?>>7376580We can circumnavigate that by posting smaller trad works and studies. What about a "Draw this in Your Style"? sort of thing where we select a theme/figure/time period to focus on each thread?
>>7374117I dont care about competitions, I make art for me
>>7376580I don't do trad because I'm fucking broke
>>7377274it's really not that expensive once you get set up. You can start with a Zorn pallette that will cost you $50 using top-tier pigments, then you can paint on oil paper (Arches or one of those), some cheap turps and that's it, no other medium. Brushes are like $3 each.
>>7377476>not that expensive>spend 5+ bucks doing a fun little painting on paperCome off it, the second you move beyond graphite the money goes up in flames.
