French people were asked "You are surrounded by 4 great nation in all directions. Taking all factors into account (politics, culture, genetics, etc.) which one is the closest to us ?"This is the answer apparently.Thoughts ? Would you agree in your country ?
>>216696341Espagne bros, c'est fini
>>216696341The actual answer is Britain
>>216696341>Would you agree in your country ?Yes
>>216696341Spaniards are latinized celts who have the same ancient history, they are indistinguishable from us phenotypically and genetically. Their language is more mutually intelligible than Italian (orally not written) and when they speak Catalan it's just French with more Xs. They roughly have the same food. Same religion too. And they even were mostly our allies regularly, if not for Napoleonic wars we'd have no trouble, at one point we almost got a proper union. Politically it's very similar we have the exact same parties with the same people and same issues, I look at Spanish politics I'm just resigned we will have the same thing soon (whereas German politics I'm weirded out they actually vote green or care about Russia, UK politics is a weird orwellian dystopia i don't get it either, Spanish politics is just like ours).So I have no idea how the fuck they are last, behind fucking Germany of all places. Should be at least #2.
why do french and germans hate each other when you are all one people?
>>216696341i don't know modern situations of these countries very well but historically france is descended from germanic franks
>>216696514Franks were like 50 000 upper class noblemen who quickly integrated the latin-speaking gallo-roman elite in a sea of 10 million gauls. No genetic, linguistic or religious traces left besides the countries name. Like 95% are gauls genetically.When the revolution happened, Catherine II of Russia famously said "The Gauls drove out the Franks" so even according to neutral 3rd parties it's over anyways
>>216696571France has always been Germanic, and Germany in turn is descended from the huns and aryan tribes of India
>>216696571i meant it as a political entityeven though you are wrong about>No genetic, linguistic or religious traces left besides the countries name
>>216696571Why were these Gallo-Romans so keen to tell Byzantine to leave them alone? Was the eastern part of Rome taken over by Balkan warlords? Where did the original ones go?
>>216696341medniggers OUT
>>216696640Even before the schism, our nation already existed. It could never be integrated into anything in the first place.
>>216696341The greatest part of French people are totally unaware that Italians absolutely despise us like the devil himself.
>>216696625True, Franks spread catholicism and the proto-French language in a still largely pagan and Celtic-speaking Gaul. The Franks were the first victims of the >>216696649 Latin indoctrination machine. Charlemagne himself being possibly the most Italian-brainrotted person in all of recorded history.
>>216696731is there anyone who doesn't hate us anyways?
>>216696571>No genetic, linguistic or religious traces left besides the countries nameJardin, guerre, bleu, blanc, banquette, trotter, honte, maréchal, frais, gagner, and robuste are all of Frankish origin
>>216696817You got a latin word there on most of the other ones come from west germanic languages anon
>>216696856Which one
>>216696341Actually we are closest to Japanese peopke. We are famous in the world for being sophisticated, cultured, quiet, martial, well-mannered, educated, disciplined and soft spoken. French people have the Yamato spirit deep inside their souls. We are the Samurai of the West.
>>216696341Both ghetto
>>216696886Robuste comes form the latin Robustus, with the same meaning and has cognates in all other romance languages
>>216696341Supposedly, your longest frontier is with us.So i'd say you are closer to Bahia
>>216697077literal mexican calling europeans ghetto
It's more nuanced than that, because France is a gradient. I'm not sure someone who's family is from the Lille area will feel close to a Spaniard. My whole Familly is from the alps and I feel closer and more similar to other Alpine people than any spaniard.
>>216696816UsWe love you
For me, it's total international love
France wasn't even fully explored until 1905
>>216696341Dutch bors.....I'm so tired......Why do we keep letting frogs drub all over us......
>>216697207Great news, we can get the Portuguese in there and maybe the Irish too, with some luck even the Romanians. We are in a great position with this amazing lineup. The new BRICS.
>>216697087>has cognates in all other romance languagesIt comes from PIE and also has a cognate in the Germanic languages as “hrof” and “Robe”
>>216697437>>216697087>>216696817Seems kind of obvious to me that a linguistic-syncretic movement happened back then where a Frank would say "blank" and the Gallo-Romans around him would say "blanco" and they figured out an interlanguage, integrating the most salient of the cognates for mutual intelligibility as well as elitist cultural cohesion.
>>216696341If you pronounce all the silent letters in French, it starts sounding a little bit like Italian.
>>216697173Literal as opposed to figurative
>>216697736Yeah, a figurative Mexican is usually called ""Hispanic-American", "latino" or just "an American", but you can take pride in the fact you are the OG shithole dweller, an actual literal fucking mexican
>>216696341hA
>>216696341i think you were closer to royaume uni before it became neopakistan and you became neoalgeria.i feel like there was a lot more cross migration and shared history with that island over the past millenium than with italia no?
>>216697825I always thought french education put more emphasis on literature but I guess not cause you're just saying shit
>>216696341spanishbros...se acabó...
>>216697956bro you're genociding hundreds of thousands of palis (no problem i hate arabs too) and even then despite your laudable efforts you have hundreds of thousands of arabs with the israeli nationality and they're having the highest birthrate in your country anywaysjust like ours your so called right wing is all too happy to tout them around "look ! israel is multicultural! as long as you respect our country's right to exist (could the bar be any lower) we love everybody" i've seen it, lmao, what is this, the european union?what is your demographic future exactly over in israel ? grand total of 23 polish ashkenazis with 200 iq somehow managing 8 million orthodox belligerent retards along with 3 million muslims? until somebody nukes you? at least in europe we have like 400 millions white people left, and what the fuck have you? you will rebuild the third temple and the messiah will come save you? just fuck off with your sarcasm, keep it for your hollywood movies, even if we are fucked you are in for a world of pain compared to us; do not throw stones in a glasshouse
>>216696341As a Frenchman living in Belgium, I'd have answered Britain myself. Their culture retains aspects of medieval France that have disappeared in France itself as a result of the revolution.Meanwhile what we share with Italy is too often one-sided Italian influence.>>216696484J'ai rien contre les Espagnols, mais en quoi leur langue est plus intelligible pour un Français que l'italien ? En quoi la cuisine espagnole est plus proche de la nôtre que l'italienne ou l'allemande ?? La cuisine française n'est même pas méditerranéenne à proprement parler.
>>216696341>>216696484>>216696506>>216696571>>216696640>>216696670>>216696731>>216696765>>216697180>>216697528After Gaius Iulius prepared the area for Romanisation & integration into the overreaching Roman polity, Galia was... empty. Gaul was empty.Save for a handful of urban settlements & the frontier castrum/barracks/fortresses, Gaul was an empty space of land. I didn't figured out a precise answer but I'd reckon that, after the invasions, a humongous chunk of the Itallic people took their stuff and migrated into Galia itself because the Italian, Iberian, and northern Africa were punctured by newcomers. This' the time when, unexplainably (of course), Rome lost importance & Ravenna became de facto administrative centre out of the sudden. 260 AD/CE „Gallic Empire” signaled the death of the Roman emporium. It did, what Vespasian and Hadrian feared it would happen – and they did it anyway.The „Gallic Empire” were the relocated upper-class Romans, together with the descendants of pro-Roman interethnic Romano-Gauls, wanting to kill the polity. That's why in historiographical studies, suddenly, out of nowhere, populations associated with the migrations (or invasions) peoples found themselves in power – after the nominal dissolution of the Western part. Here's a vertiginous question – why were the Merovingians ousted by the Caroligians?
>>216698110> J'ai rien contre les Espagnols, mais en quoi leur langue est plus intelligible pour un Français que l'italien ? En quoi la cuisine espagnole est plus proche de la nôtre que l'italienne ou l'allemande ?? La cuisine française n'est même pas méditerranéenne à proprement parler.Mais où tu veux en venir?
>>216698164Caesar is known to have largely exaggerated his numbers. Modern estimates suggest 10-20%. The areas that suffered the most are the northeast and Belgic areas where the Eburones lived.Main Roman colonies in Gaul were cities in the southeast like Arles, Narbonne, Lyon and Nîmes as shown by their Roman architecture. The Romans largely didn't resettle Gaul outside of these parts.>>216698203Les résultats du sondage sont plus ou moins justes.
>>216698108wtf is palis?
>>216696341France is north Italy. Italy is south France. Old /int/ got mad at me for noticing. I'm glad new /int/ has embraced it.
>>216698311in french we say palo instead of pali, sometimes we say "pal" like "pro-pal"interesting linguistic difference
>>216696816Is there anyone the Italians don't hate anyways?
>>216698362pal like fiend/buddy or pal meaning Phase Alternating Line (as in the video format)?
>>216696341is this the fault of the medici's?also belgium would like a word
>>216698437pal like the impaling pal, you sit a muslim on his ass on a giant spike and it slowly goes inside as he's still conscious, if you're going to commit war crimes at least bring this one back already
>>216698518is that common in france?we dont do such things
>>216696341>WE WUZ GERMANIC N SHIEEEET>WE WUZ ROMAN N SHIEEEET Spain and France are so close they share the sape separatist schizoids.Frogs are delusional
>>216698285>Caesar I'm convinced „Caesar” wasn't his real name. I'm not 100% sure if it were only Gaius Iulius or if he had a definitive last name which he changed or the scriptorium changed it, however, „Caesar” is Egyptian-Oriental: Ka + Sarrum / Ka + Sar. Ka - kꜣ Sarrum - 𒈗 Gaius Iulius kꜣ𒈗>is known to have largely exaggerated his numbers. Modern estimates suggest 10-20%. >The areas that suffered the most are the northeast and Belgic areas where the Eburones lived.Brittany, Alesia, Avaricum, Gergovia, Uxellodunum... Romano-Gauls were descendants of pro-Roman Gallic tribes. I'm not suggesting it was a 100% sweep, yet the existence of these descendants does prove it was above 80%-90% regardless. >Main Roman colonies in Gaul were cities in the southeast like Arles, Narbonne, Lyon and Nîmes as shown by their Roman architecture. The Romans largely didn't resettle Gaul outside of these parts.The castles, palaces, and monasteries/cathedrals, built in inner France in the feudal age, were made from stone obtained from demolished frontier castrums/fortresses. Medieval (stone) castles in ruins or not, for example, are a +1100 AD/CE invention. They're not that old.
>>216698518It takes a frenchoid comment to understand the guillotine was actually an act of mercy.Worst thing is your cousins (Belgians) are worse
>>216698820>Your fortresses are made from demolished roman infrastructure >That nigga wasn't really that important though and his real name was Clarence Pick one brown man
>>216698794You are so ignorant it hurts, france is very different depending on the region. You can feel the divide North/South and West/East rather strongly. This country is a gradient as I said, it's at the crossroad of Europe, and one of the larger european countries.
>>216698742well maybe consider it, it leaves a more lasting impression than headshotting random childrenat this rate they will say the jews were less memorable than the romanians, can you imagine
>>216698897>France is a SPECTRUM ALL COUNTRIES ARE
>>216698936Here's a different map of the dialects found in France before Paris stomped all over it in an effort to get rid of regional difference. You have to consider provinces where relatively independent during centuries, some under the French King's rule, some not.
>>216698905What is wrong with you
>>216696731This. And Germans like us more. It's strange. But I still hate them.
>>216698905france is headshotting children?damn i should really keep up with french news
>>216698936Not really, no. Take Norway, it's 100% Norwegian. Can you tell me the difference between north and south Portuguese ? Tell me what is the difference between southern UK food and northern UK food ? Eastern Japanese and western Japanese culture ? Northern Argentinian culture and southern Argentinian, come on tell us ?France is at the crossroads of Europe, encompassing many different ethnicities and languages, cultures, outlooks, foods, etc, a very unique and particular position that only a few countries share. It's a defining characteristic of this place.
>>216696341This is just 'wishful' thinking. You're not that close to Italy. You're much closer to the UK. Anyone that didn't answer the UK is on some powerful copium. I get it, nobody wants to associate with a shitty county. But it's the truth.
>>216699066>Northern Argentinian culture and southern Argentinian, come on tell us ?Worst example you could have given, kek
>>216699166>ackshually on one side we have poor indios and on the other we have impoverished italian immigrantsi mean real differences between the actual peopletake a middle class european origin argentinian from the north and the same guy from the south, do they have different regional origins? dialects? histories? politics? artists? food? accents? ethnicities? family names? first names? manners of speech? referentials?
>>>216698888>>Your fortresses are made from demolished roman infrastructureYou'll never find castles, or ruins of castles, built before 1001 AD/CE. >>That nigga wasn't really that important though and his real name was ClarenceThe story of his legacy is that Roman senators killed him for becoming similar to a king & closeness with the Egyptian absolutism ruleset. It's not outreaching to say that „Caesar/Kasar” is a non-Roman titulature, of endearment or vilification, from Egyptian-Oriental vocabulary & nonenclature. Here, let me blush your brain some more. You know the typical icon with Christ and the burning heart? The burning heart leitmotif is almost the same pictogram from Egyptian hieroglyphics/hieratic for „nfr” (nefer): >Pick one brown manYou are funny.
>>216696670The Gallic Empire wasn't an independent state with different ideas or wishes from the Roman state. They claimed to be the sole legitimate Roman state and spent their entire time trying to subjugate the other emperor for sole power. This wasn't a separatist movement but an extended civil war no different from Constantine and Licinius.
>>216699482Yes, Gauls were already intertwined with Romans from pre-Roman times. It makes sense they would see themselves as the legitimate rulers of the empire, as they already had full rights and controlled one of the most important areas of the empire.This is like expecting Brits to go back to their roots and anti-Roman after the collapse, in reality they made King Arthur to be a mythical Roman saviour and so on.And yet it's distinctly not an Italian thing wharsoever. Conquered nations became Roman but still had national and territorial coherence that holds up to this day.
>>216698820>Romano-Gauls were descendants of pro-Roman Gallic tribes. I'm not suggesting it was a 100% sweep, yet the existence of these descendants does prove it was above 80%-90% regardless.This is pretty well established, after the conquest of Gaul, the senate was flooded by Gallic elites.>“Caesar led the Gauls in triumph, led them to the senate house;Then the Gauls put off their breeches, and put on the laticlave.”SuetoniusYes, the people left after the conquest were the Gauls allied to Romans. They took over the country. Outside South-Eastern France, Roman genetic legacy is quite rare however. This suggests the idea of "Gallo-Roman" survivors is true but in a cultural sense moreso than blood, Gaul wasn't "empty" it just had one part killed and the others siding with Romans.A decent parallel would probably be parts of South America, where Spaniards got local tribes to back them against a local power. And now you have places with the modern day descendants being 95% indios but their ancestors were the enemies of the local Mayas or what have you, and the Spaniard soldiers were not enough to do much demographic impact outside localized areas. Let alone the theory of a genocide which is actually logistically extremely costly, complicated, and very far from done that easily so a very doubtful theory especially without archeological evidence (let us not elaborate too far on this topic).
>>216699682>It makes sense they would see themselves as the legitimate rulers of the empire, as they already had full rights and controlled one of the most important areas of the empire.It's not some national or provincial loyalty thing. They thought of themselves as Romans exclusively. Postumus' claim to rule was that he was the legitimate Roman emperor because the army chose him. Not for anything to do with Gaul.>This is like expecting Brits to go back to their roots and anti-Roman after the collapseI mean they did. Gildas viewed the Romans as foreign slavemasters who conquered and subjugated them, although they did protect them from worse people like the Scots, Picts and Saxons. Unlike in Gaul, Latin simply didn't survive in Britain at all as a spoken language, Brittonic was the majority language held by the population and they considered themselves Britons. Unlike in Gaul where Latin was almost universally spoken and there was no Gallic identity.>Conquered nations became Roman but still had national and territorial coherence that holds up to this day.There was no nation before or after the Romans. France only appears in the tumult of the collapse of the Carolingian Empire, the same with Germany. The 'national and territorial coherence' simply did not exist because to have either they must be consistent. >>216699829>This is pretty well established, after the conquest of Gaul, the senate was flooded by Gallic elites.It's not really that established. The Senate was dominated by Central Italians almost exclusively in the early Empire and even in Late Antiquity held the lions share of members with Southern Gaul being the largest non-Italian group of Romans.
>>216696341the answer is obviously the UK. what kind of retarded answer is this
>>216696341I don't understand why Spain doesn't exist to French people. We never think about them even though we're far closer to them than Germans. It's genuinely strange.
>>216700319If you're from Brittany, Normandy or Lille, sure you are close to Englishmen, but Gascony, Toulouse and Provence are far more like Spain and Italy.
>>216700985Do you think Parisians are closer to the UK or Spain culturally? do you think the average frenchman is closer to the average englishman or a spainard?
>>216701000pointless questions
>>216701025why
>>216701037In such huge scales this becomes meaningless. How am I supposed to reply? Englishmen and Spaniards themselves are large categories, and you ask me which one our category is closer to. I don't know, it depends, and it makes me think what the point of this question even is. On the subject of Parisians, I don't know, I think every city slicker is the same in western Europe. I believe Parisians would say they're closer to Italians but only because French people generally don't know much about Englishmen and don't realize they're not as different from us as we think.
>>216700956We're poor (unlike germany)We're unfashionable and have little international fame (unlike Italy)Hate to admit it but we're a less desirable country to compare tolike we also prefer comparing to Italy than to Portugal
>>216696341This video disagrees: >https://youtu.be/gEGDEV8c3nI?si=gFuZetTm7yXLzkC3
>>216696341I’m surprised Spain is so low, this is probably a north-south divide and even though most southerners would say Italy I wasn’t expecting it to be so one-sided.
>>216701250What happened to you two after the Brits pressured you ending colonialism? I just know you're really ultra urban and "progressive" now and apparently running out of moneyBut I don't know what happened in between
French pipo be like>oo la la c'est hon hon hon I have nothing in common with those stinky, poor, Catholic-loving and Romance speaking Latins in Spain, Portugal and Italy. What causes this?
>>216696341>UK over GermanyGrim
>>216696484I agree, it should have been Italy and Spain.
