Voy a hacer input.

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Ich bin bereit.

>>221699719
inputear

>>221698772
Bad day for anki bros. Only got 75% right despite taking 10 minutes longer than usual. That's what happens when you only get 4 hours of sleep. Don't be like me. Go to bed on time.

>>221700393
>tfw no goyslop to indulge in while inputting German this evening

Inputting at the low proficiency level is so boring

>>221701387
And it never gets faster for subsequent languages

Please just link me some French resources to start, this pronunciation is filtering me so hard

>>221702308
https://www.dreaming.com/french

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>read a book pretty easily
>feel confident
>try a slightly harder book
>slam into a wall
Language learning is suffering

>>221705826
The red line is me with German. Except my knowledge is also at zero.

>>221698772
Is it just me or are Dreaming Spanish's videos girl-coded? I tried watching Spanish Boost Gaming and appreciated the higher energy, and not having every other video be about relationships.

>>221706473
You're not entirely wrong about DS (but don't tell the Redditors). The guides are mostly female. A lot of the videos are about female interests, like makeups and clothes. But also remember that even though the active guides are mostly female now (Andres excepted, I guess), Pablo made tons of content at the beginning that's still there to watch now. There's enough videos on the platform that you don't have to watch every single one. If you really don't like a video, just skip it. As you watch more of their videos, you develop a sense for what videos you're likely to be more or less interested in. It's also okay to watch the occasional makeup tutorial. No one will know (except Pablo).

I'm at level 4 now, and even though DS feels like it has a lot of filler content, there's still a lot of stuff I don't mind watching, and I think the diversity of guides and topics is worth the $8. I also supplement with other channels like SB/SBG and Español con Juan, where I find the content more consistently interesting and feel a more intimate parasocial relationship with the guides than DS.

>>221706473
DS is kinda in a pickle since the audience wants to look at girls and girls want to talk about dating and not Simón Bolívar

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>>221706473
The trick to DS is to pick a waifu.

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Bedtime bump

Rotopod Asia 2001

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>>221705826
>disgusting conlanger made this graph

>>221710976
Learning all the vocab of language to get to a really advanced level feels like Thor drinking the sea, you just swallow down word after word and it never ends. French at least is merciful if you speak English giving you so much advanced vocab, Japanese on the otherhand...
I don't know how many thousands of words I know but it will probably take a decade of serious reading to get really comfortable with high level litterature.

>>221705826
Meant to reply to this post, but I have to agree with the guy I accidentally replied to that conlangs are disgusting. Where is the culture?

how are you using ai to help your language learning, anons?

for me, its vibe code some shitty apps and CLIs to help me create anki cards from various sources. (like language reactor and other stuff)

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>>221714033
I ask for grammar explanations and receive gems like this

>>221708752
It's hard to waifu over e-girls these days because it just reminds me that IRL no girl like that would be interested in me.

>>221705826
whoever the guy was that made this graph should've changed
>"It certainly has its ups and downs, but it's still a good language."
to
>"This is makes sense. Who thought this idea?"
also get rid of the red downward slope because it only proved the original image creator's own conlang was not actually good and was actually in fact not a good idea

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There's very little interesting content for beginners. It's actually hard to come up with any, so attractive women as bait might be the best solution. Or maybe I can't stand this type of content because of my constant dabbling where those basic words and phrases aren't exciting but I don't truly learned them. God punished me and I'm already considering learning another one alongside my main TL in the meantime
>>221714354
I thought that Latinas like white Americans

Is there any benefit to passively listening for input when you’re at the intermediate level? I mean just putting it on while you do something else and miss most of the words. I’m at an intermediate level.

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Its done. I'm never coming back here again. I've finally made it.

>>221717278
>Is there any benefit to passive listening at the intermediate level
>while you do something else
Yes.
>miss most of the words
No.

In general, passive listening is worthwhile if you're doing something where you can reasonably split your attention, like a mindless game or something physical, and it's at the right level of course. If you're doing something brainy where you need to focus, you'll just end up tuning out most of the input or get distracted, so you end up doing two things badly and the net benefit is negative in my opinion. There's also this argument that I heard recently where too much passive listening that you don't understand will train your brain to ignore your TL as meaningless noise, but I'm not sure how true that is.

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>>221718502
Serbanon, has your opinion changed at all in the past few years?

>>221706035
no swiss visa for you

>>221718694
Yeah, input is enough to build the correct model, but you have to practice speaking to train your mouth muscles to produce the actual sounds. Other than that, I'm not sure if practicing output actually helps anything or if it just builds conscious skills that compensates for holes in your internal model (memorizing stock phrases and monitoring grammar features you haven't acquired yet). My own output ability seems to unlock gradually without any major efforts, albeit very slowly. I just find myself being able to express more and more.

That being said, I've inputted for 1306 days straight and I'm still not fluent in German so what the heck do I know.

>>221719336
>I've inputted for 1306 days straight
Have you done anything else besides that? It seems rather pitiful that you aren't quasi-native by now.
How many actual hours? What's your split between passive:active:grammar:output?

>>221719456
Just input, no grammar, not much output, occasionally I talk to myself and try to express my thoughts to check where I'm at.

No clue about the hours, but easily 1300h+ if we go with the conservative estimate of 1h average per day. Fluency is just a pretty high bar and it takes way longer than most people think. I just want to get to a point where my German is good enough for me to express myself as easily as in English.

>>221698772
How do you rank languages based on their sounds and aesthetics?
My top 4 are heavily biased on their real life prestige and influence:
>Greek
>Latin
>Romance as a whole (except French)
>Arabic
gap
gap
gap
>Sanskrit
>Persian (modern)
The rest are unranked and more or less the same.

>>221719710
>but easily 1300h+
Are you at least inputting native content? Or, ideally, difficult native content? I'm having a hard time believing, it's not japanese...
>no grammar
May the Lord have mercy on your soul, because he sure didn't make you that bright.

>>221706035
Are you that med stud russanon who also considered learning French or one of the Scandinavian languages, but ultimately chose German because of its purchasing power in Germany and because of Switzerland?

>>221720031
Yes, of course. About 8 months in I was already consuming native content. At this point, I can understand most content in Standard German effortlessly, dialects still trip me up though but I guess that's pretty normal cuz I've had very little exposure to them.

>I'm having a hard time believing, it's not japanese...

Japanese takes like 4400h+ to get a working proficiency according to FSI estimates.
German takes like 1800h+, so I think I'm doing alright, shit just takes a long ahh time frfr

>>221720546
What content did you start with?

>>221719336
Yeah I've been watching native content regularly for a long time now, but I still find that my output skills are weak.
I compare to when I tried Norwegian back when I was in university, I didn't do that much input, and I was very quickly able to speak. At first, it was like you say "using a slower part of the brain", but after a few months it became more intuitive. I think it was easy because the grammar is similar to English. But most importantly, I was never able to understand the spoken language well, which made speaking pointless.
I'm going to keep running my input-only experiment, because fuck it, why not. I have the impression now that if I moved to my TL country for a few months, the output skill would come very fast.

>>221710976
>>221715934
If I remember right the graph was made by a programmer talking about programming languages lol

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>>221720824
I learned the top 500 most frequent words in Anki and started reading pic related.

>>221714033
I've vibe coded a bunch of things to mass edit a shitty premade deck with better sentences and other stuff. The most impressive was a JS script to put on the back of my Mandarin notes so it'd automatically color the hanzi and pinyin. It does work because my notes have a pinyin field though. I still find it so impressive. I tried doing it with some Anki addon before but it was a mess.
I also encourage everyone to get Gemini or ChatGPT to revamp the styling and layouts of their Anki cards. I haven't seen anyone talk about it before but most models do a great job at it.

>>221714033
How do you even code apps to do this stuff? Like I tell chatgpt to right the code, then I copy what it gives me, then where do I paste it?

>>221722608
Claude code. But it isn't really at a point where you can ask it to write a full application if you aren't already experienced. Unless it's very simple or something it has seen many times before.

>>221720546
>consuming native content
Are you reading? If yes, what? Ankigooning?
Sorry to be posing so many questions but I'm genuinely curious and baffled.

>>221722873
The word "fluency" doesn't mean anything, so that might be what confuses you.

>>221722925
My confusion stems from the inability to meaningfully output, mostly in the written form.
Fluency is indeed a confusing term, but even in the most limiting form of the word you expect a (mostly) error-less and fluid ability to produce the language, at least in writing.
Pronunciation is indeed a bitch to work on and I consider it to be out of scope for 'fluency' as long as you are being understood.

>>221723048
>My confusion stems from the inability to meaningfully output, mostly in the written form.
He hasn't said that.

>>221723117
Not directly but that's what how I understand it reading between the lines. I'm sure he'll clarify the situation for us.

>>221723183
He's said he hasn't output and he isn't fluent not that he couldn't at all. I'm similar, I have almost 1000 hours of input in spanish but I've spoken it for about 1 hour and a half in total. I didn't have any problems but whether I'm fluent or not depends on the definition.

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>>221698772
>mfw I have a hard time pronouncing "curious"

>>221722873
>Are you reading? If yes, what?
Currently reading a translation of "Red Rising" by Pierce Brown. I tend to jump around a lot between books and drop them when I get bored. From German authors, I've finished Kafka's "Die Verwandlung", three books from Hesse (Demian, Siddhartha, Der Steppenwolf), Süskind's "Das Parfum", Goethe's "Die Leiden des jungen Werther". I tried to get into Bernhard recently, but it wasn't for me.

>Ankigooning?
Stopped after my first year, around 6k words.

>>221723048
I can output, it's just not as "error-less and fluid" as I would like, hence I'm not fluent. Output ability is generally hard to describe, there's all these generic terms like "conversational" floating around but that could mean you just made it through one conversation about the weather or you just discussed geopolitics for 3 hours and anything in between.

found some cool graded readers for croatian.

it made me think of the conversation a few threads ago from someone asking about a list of graded readers for every language.

here some for croatian

https://croatian-made-easy.com

>>221721906
>I also encourage everyone to get Gemini or ChatGPT to revamp the styling and layouts of their Anki cards. I haven't seen anyone talk about it before but most models do a great job at it.
seconded. You can literally just upload a screenshot or the handlebars + CSS for your note type and say "Hey make this look nicer" and it improves the presentation 99% of the time lol


>>221722608
what this guy said below.

typically for me, these "apps" are really just sets of scripts that take other data exported from other language tools (like language reactor) and help me transform them to get imported into a format i can use for anki more or less.

but i would recommend claude code. it will probably we weird at first, but if you download it and set it up, you literally just do, in a command line:

claude

and then it will open up an interactive session and you can try to experiment with how to use the application generally, before trying to solve a specific task you have for language learning.

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>>221725912
Ah, I've misjudged you. I thought you're one of those redditors that spend 2k hours without ever breaking the intermediate plateau in comprehension.
If you are reading serious auteurs without much pain then necessarily your understanding is automatic.
That being said, why don't you grind a bit of grammar to sharpen your output? I've spent no more than 10% of my time on it and got great returns. You can just ask some chatbot to generate exercises on specific points that you feel lacking.

>>221716057
>I thought that Latinas like white Americans
Maybe someone decent. But it's not like LatAm is starving-tier where attractive women will date someone ugly and abnormal.

do you get stressed when people ask you how many languages do you speak?

>>221729221
>Learning languages is a hobby of mine
>Oh really what languages do you speak?
>English...
Many such cases! [spoiler]Including mine[/spoiler]

>>221729221
No? I speak 5 languages and I have different certificates ranging from B2-C2 in all of them.

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ИHПУTЬ

I had a dream last night that I was a multimillionaire and moved to Vietnam, and kept hiring random people to do jobs like be my limo driver and my door opener and door opener for my door opener and so on.
Is this a sign to learn Vietnamese?

What killed the Nature Method series? LLPSI outlived it, but the other courses seemed to have suddenly stopped being made in the 60s.

>>221732734
LLPSI is better than the other books in that series (so the general opinion seems to be). For vernacular languages, there are better, more up-to-date options. Latin hasn't changed since the 1950s. There aren't any radically different, massively superior Latin textbooks that have come out since then. There's a lack of audio-visual content for Latin compared to popular modern languages. (Peppa Pig doesn't have a Latin dub.)

How do I study grammar and how do I use a reference grammar book?

>>221729221
No one asks me because no one gives a fuck about my hobbies.

>>221729992
Are all of them Germanic languages?

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How do I learn Japanese in 2 weeks?

>>221734949
You don't. However you can fake fluency by memorizing canned sentences with Anki.

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>>221729992
Basiert. Du bist der einige Anon idf der eine fremde (ausser englisch) Sprache gelernt hat.

>>221713332
Iirc isn't the usual estimate like 3000-5000 words to be able to read newspapers, novels, and everyday small talk?
I know my French felt way smoother after I finished the 5000 words Anki deck. Nowadays I listen to and read only in French (Le Figaro and Le Monde) and indulge in French Wikipediaslop without any difficulties.

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>>221714033
I ask Claude to give me 5 daily sentences to translate into my TL and then provide corrections, explanations, etc. I've refined the prompt so that it basically gives me 5 different grammar concepts, an example sentence for each, and will repeat a concept repeatedly until I consistently get it right.
Claude is more strict and anal about grammar and correct writing than a Prussian Drill Sergeant of course, but that was my aim and I want it that way.

>>221719710
>not much output,
That's the real killer. If you practice output everyday you'll dramatically improve, my English only got good when I went online and started shitposting in English without restraint (and ofc getting bombed with Grammar Nazis roasting and correcting me all the time)

>>221698772
Why do you have to make a monolingual transition? Maybe if you're near fluent to the point where you only end up learning new words by reading literature in your TL but dictionaries are just a crutch aren't they? At the end of the day comprehensible input is what "cements" it and that's what sentence mining is used for. I think making the definitions harder to understand would just be counterproductive wouldn't it be?

>>221735896
It's not nearly enough for Japanese or any other unrelated language as well I suspect. At 3-5k vocab light like easier manga still required a lot of dictionary look ups, and forget about reading the news, something like NHK easy i.e news dumbed down for grade schoolers was manageable. I'd say that I needed maybe 10k words to start getting comfortable with regular news, that shared European vocab does a lot of heavy lifting. Like if you heard the word for democracy or politics in any language spoken in western Europe you'd likely recognize them even without speaking it, but then there's 民主主義 and 政治.
Now I'm around 15k vocab and light entertainment for teens is a breeze, but serious novels require real effort and a lot of dictionary look ups.

>>221736938
I'm at about 6000 words right now. I have another 10,000 or so in my Anki deck to learn. I try not to think about how I'll be doing an hour of Anki every single day for a year to get there.
And that's if I stopped adding words today, but of course I come across new ones all the time.

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>>221729221
Only thing that can be considered embarrassing is if you claim you have been (Duolingo) learning a language for a year and you can' construct a single sentence.

>>221737427
Is 25 too late to start first language bros? It might be over for me.

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>>221736938
>>221735896
how do you guys do frequency decks?

is it just TL word on one side, definition on the other?

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>tfw anon is not doing his icelandic reps

>>221743098
Yeah pretty much. French deck I have does both, English word first and then French on other side and then French with English on the flip. It also has IPA letters and an audio track for pronunciation.

This is a good grammar video for principiantes (como yo) on a difference between ser and estár.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQMAogyCytE

I like the example how "¿donde es la cena?" and "¿donde está la cena?" suggest different meanings of "la cena."

Reminder: Anki apps has swiping support. It takes like 30 seconds and you can bind up and right swipe to 'good' and left and down swipe to 'again/bad'.

This easily doubles your rep speed.

>>221733862
No. Why would anyone learn 5 Germanic languages?

Planning a SEA trip and can't get it out of my head to do a little but expensive detour to East Timor, just because they speak Portuguese there. There is otherwise not much that is remarkable there except for the recent post-colonial history.

>>221729992
What was the C2 exam like? Was it for English?

>>221744721
I wish travel in the Pacific was more affordable, I really want to visit places like Kokoda, Guadalcanal, Saipan, etc. for Pacific WW2 history

>>221737427
Learning languages has given me a greater distate for normies. They act like it’s an impossible feat, but it’s literally just time investment. Just invest time into it every day and you’ll get there, as long as it’s not duolingo but you guys know what I mean.

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Anyone had their Dunning Kruger wakeup moment with their TL yet? I just got humbled by the Passive voice in German realizing I don't know how tf to use -worden + haven't really studied strong and weak declinations for Nouns so I constantly get them wrong.
But seriously fuck these sentence constructions bro like what the fuck is this barrage of verbs at the end of a sentence

>>221743098
I'm guessing you meant to write mining decks but yeah pretty much that, I'm just keeping it as simple as possible. Word on the front, definition and phonetic reading on the back. Sometimes I don't even bother with the definition when the kanji make the meaning obvious. Some people want to make them fancy with audio clips and images etc, but the time it would take to make thousands upon thousands of cards that way... and it's not like you don't get context from media anyway.
>>221746042
True but the way people will think you're some kind of genuis for reading a novel in a foreign language is rather amusing.

>>221746042
I don't like to pretend I'm better than others but the average normie is so stupid it makes it hard for the thought to not pop in my head every once in a while. Imagine not being able to learn English even when putting all your time and dedication into it. Like, just English and nothing else and yet they struggle.

>>221746965
>what the fuck is this barrage of verbs at the end of a sentence

This is called verb/infinitive clustering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitic_climbing

>>221746992
thanks.

>>221746042
I figure it's just a general problem of most people not being able to handle delayed gratification and making (slow) but consistent progress on things that take a long time.

in light of this, do you think there is a specific thing with languages that normies cannot grasp?

>>221747653
>that article
Crazy how little of these words I actually understand, linguistics genuinely fucks with my head more than mathematics does. I can read equations just fine, but all this jargon ("pronominal object of an embedded infinitive" fucking oath) is pure voodoo to me.

>>221747779
most of the metagrammar terminology is actually pretty simple and less fancy than it sounds. definitely much easier than math

>>221747653
>do you think there is a specific thing with languages that normies cannot grasp?
I don’t think there anything uniquely difficult about learning another language. If you take anyone and drop them in another country that speaks a different language, they’ll learn the language to survive. They may never reach native fluency, but they’ll get good enough to make their thoughts known. I also think of particularly mutli-lingual places historically. I’ve read accounts of places like western Slovakia in the 1600s where everyone, even totally illiterate peasants, could communicate as needed in multiple languages: Hungarian, Czech, Slovak, German, and even Latin because the courts still used it. I think you’re right in that it’s a delayed gratification problem. When it doesn’t seem immediately necessary, then most people just won’t do it. It really reveals that most people are just lazy. Not necessarily stupid or incapable as far as learning a language goes.

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>>221747653
Can these people be saved? Part of me thinks I should just put him out of his misery and tell him he's never going to learn Japanese, but I don't have it in me to crush a dude's hopes and dreams like that.

>>221750608
I actually don't agree. There's a massive skill difference in language acquisition between adults. For some reason there's this silly idea in the language learning community that everyone learns at the same rate and the only difference is time, effort and methodology, but this is just factually wrong there's plenty of research to the contrary

e.g for example I hear a lot of japanese learners can't even hear pitch accent until years in. I have very good pitch discrimination and can easily hear, identify, and replicate pitch accent better than a lot of advanced japanese learners despite not knowing japanese. the same kind of thing holds true for ability to memorize words, distinguish phonetics, pick things up intuitively from context, etc. there's lots of differences in distribution of abilities

>>221750849
>unashamedly taking reddit screenshots and posting them here

>>221750932
I’m not saying everyone has the same abilities. I’m saying everyone can get to a decent point if they have to do so to survive, day in and day out. I’m also not saying everyone will reach fluency, but being able to hear a different language and respond accordingly in that language isn’t half bad, like a B2 level. And I think everyone can get to that point, whether it’s over 2 years or 5 years. Studying and learning a language removed from that specific scenario is different.

I feel like I've come to the opposite conclusion. I wouldn't judge some for not learning a second language <i>because</i> I understand what a massive time sink it is. 2000 hours is a years worth of full time work, am I really going to tell someone they should put in the equivalent of 2200 hours of class study plus home study to learn chinese so once in a while they they speak to someone who already speaks english? It is madness.

>pic unrelated
thanks for talking with me about your big anki decks anons.

i spent part of the morning extracting 5K words from a frequency dictionary book and making anki flash cards from it.

now i have 10k cards to do over the next...who knows how long.

The vast majority I think I know already so they should be simple but many are words that I only know from TL to English but not from English to TL. ive noticed my production has been getting worse than my understanding and a lot of it is me just not instantly recalling simple words, so i think this will help.

wish me lugg, fuggg

>>221747779
hehe, i understood some of it but a lot of stuff is over my head and sounds very academic. i just thought it was cool that there is a term for the tendency for clitics to become pulled towards the start of a sentence, and that other languages also exhibit it beyond romance languages

>>221750608
to me it just underscores that for any hobby where it is hard for you to get some sort of gratification (to help with keeping motivation up) it's very easy to just stop it. nowadays its probably easier to get the gratification of learning another language because our world is so connected.

>>221750849
>pausing for about 8 months
i wouldn't say it's necessarily over at that point, but man, i took one "break" (did nothing) of 3-4 months on my TL and then another of almost 6 months and regretted it ever since. maybe its actually promising if someone comes back after being away so long, but the demoralization of feeling like you forgot everything is pretty rough. kind of like stopping going to the gym for 6 months.

>>221754417
same, i think if you are learning a foreign language for any reason other than HAVING to do it (for professional reasons, "wanting a better life", etc.), then you are doing something that, already, you almost 0 practical reason for doing. why the fuck are you doing it then? you have to have and maintain strong desire to do it inherently.

>>221754417
i just listen to tl audio all day while working/gaming and get hours in that way
its pretty easy to rack up a lot of hours once youre past the beginner stage

>bought the graded reader on a lark
>there are grammatical errors and typos
its over.

I want to be done learning Japanese so I can learn Chinese

>>221756801
I was learning Chinese for a bit but I switched to Japanese. Kind of glad I've stuck with Japanese even though it's hard.

I am NEVER learning spanish...

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>>221750608
Hungary is the ultimate case of downgrade in multilingualism. My grandad from there grew up speaking German (native), Serbo-Croat, Hungarian, some Yiddish, and then French and Latin at school and this was considered normal for a bourgeoise family at the time. Nowadays apparently Hungary is statistically one of the most monolingual countries in Europe.

>>221750932
Yeah my own talent is in accent and pronunciation, I've always been praised for doing well on those in every class environment I've been in, but I'm absolutely atrocious with learning syntax or declensions

>>221698772
How do I force myself to get more immersion? What are some ways to get myself to consume more content? Intermediate btw

>>221761537
Use a VPN and choose the country of your TL, YouTube will promptly begin to recommend you random shit from there.
Also switch all your device languages to your TL.

>>221756801
The more I learn Chinese the more disdain I acquire for Japanese.

>>221744666
I once meet a guy who learned danish, swedish, Norwegian and German for some reason

>korean learners dont care about either japanese or chinese
>japanese learners dont care about either korean or chinese
>meanwhile chinese learners let japanese and korean live rent free in their heads for some reason
what causes this phenomenon? how do we treat it?

>>221762533
Aryanmaxxing, his hair probably went blond like a Super Saiyan's after he got all dragonballs (C2 Certificates)

>>221758161
Me neither, but that's because I'm not trying.

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>>221762583
For me personally it's due to Jap and Chink being close enough in writing that you run into it constantly, to the point where wiktionary lists both on the same page for a lot of words. Bad enough I get tripped up by trad chink, but being bamboozled by kanji only to go and see their clusterfuck of readings takes its toll on a man. Don't care about Korean though.

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>>221762583
Is that a thing? I mostly just focus on enjoying myself.
>>221765075
Except for this thing with characters getting mixed up. Well it's not a huge issue, but it's mildly annoying when you get things like character rendering having a default fall back to Chinese style so I had to set my phone to Japanese to avoid getting Chinese style characters popping up on webpages.

>>221762583
untrue. I'm a burnt out Korean learner that has been learning Chinese for a few months and everyday I have this repeating thoughts:

Korean:
>I should go back to Korean and have an outputmaxx arc. My output is pretty bad but I never tried shadowing, chorusing, etc.
>I can actually read novels in Korean. Most popular novels I've read were shitty, but maybe I can find something that I actually like.
>really burnt out of it. Used to be a part of my professional career and income, but I didn't rise to expectations and now I get nothing out of it
Chinese:
>I should focus on it, it's the more useful out of the three
>Chinese qts are the most approachable out of CJK in apps.
>there's actually shittons of chinese in my country, I can make it useful even without traveling
>cons: I have no interest in its media. I've tried random bilibili channels and cdramas, can't find any interest in it.
Japanese:
>it's grammar is super similar to Korean. I wonder how quickly I could get decent at it.
>I can use Korean as a bridge to it. Already have looked up a few textbooks to purchase
>I've read autismo from the Japanese learning community for years but never partaked in. so many tools for it.
>Already love Japanese literature in translation, and I can see myself getting into manga. Lots of inpoot I'd enjoy
>cons: extremely hard to run into a Japanese person IRL. Japanese will probably give me nothing in terms of a better life/career.

>>221762583
mostly korean and japanese learners do it for autistic cultural reasons while chinese learners do it for normie utilitarian ones, the former don't really give a shit if the language is useful from a sheer rationalist perspective (muh GDP or whatever) as long as they can engage with the culture, while chinese learners are constantly reevaluating their language choice's utility and feeling a need to compare, rationalize and preach it

bump

>>221758161
I am NEVER learning g*rman...

>kanji sphere
why isn't it "hanzi sphere"

>>221766408
That makes sense, but honestly learning Chinese just for a possible career boost seems insane, you could basically get a masters degree in that time or a second one if you already have one which would do way more. Or learn like 4 European languages, C level German, French, Italian and Spanish would impressive on a CV.

>>221761537
Find something that's at the right level. Too many lookups and having to strain too much kills your motivation or forces you to do it in small chunks. When you're at the intermediate level, you just need to patiently build up your vocab by strategically picking the right content to climb.

>>221769736
Halt die Fresse, Alter.

>>221716057
you may be onto something. i was watching russian and german jerk off instruction vids, and i found then quite enjoyable as well as informative. i learned, for example, the imperative form

>>221770088
learning any language for some perceived material gain is a bad use of time, unless it's english or a language that your life imminently requires, so approaching the choice of language with this min-maxing +10% chance of employability optimization grindset is flawed from the beginning, there's better shit to do with your time if that's your primary concern

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P07zEEaFCvY

yoooo our guys finally linked up

comprehensible input seems so tedious in the beginning. after I can consume native content then it's much more fun.

Salom, do’stlarim :)

I hope all is going well with your language studies!

>>221770610
In the end, I chose a small language and there's probably no porn in that language. But generally, simple structures and topics bore me, and I can't grasp complex ones quickly. People have a great time with Japanese because of anime and stuff: simple but engaging, and with more complex and interesting things here and there. Good music and sitcoms also helps

>>221774183

I have learned some words/phrases and pitch contours of Japanese because of Japanese adult videos. It’s much better than Western pro porn, much more inventive with plot, cinematography to some extent, and actresses

>>221762583
>korean learners dont care about either japanese or chinese
>japanese learners dont care about either korean or chinese
sorry I can't hear you over the sound of how wrong you are