Why can't brits build stuff anymore? Genuinelly asking.
>>221721046dysfunctional politics, same way the americans can't do itit's a shame because anglo democracy was clearly the best government system for a couple centuries, but now it's a mess where nothing gets done
>>221721046:OEU is GOAT thats why
>>221721046They did the "poles out, jeets in" policy
>>221721046basically this >>221721088anglo countries now are only concerned with how much they can oppress and steal from their population by providing as little as possible in return.
CAHSR and HS2 are in a competition for which can be the biggest scam
Of course it will cost more for the English. Their currency is worth more and they pay more for workers too
>>221721156Yeah building anything on a budget and within schedule is anti-patriotic in this cunt tree. We need to change political leaders at least 5 times before a project can be finished so they can all point each other in circles and pass blame (they're all friends)
>>221721046important viewinghttps://youtu.be/b5aJ-57_YsQ?t=990
>>221721046skrrt skrrrrt
>>221721240that's true but still doesn't justify spending more for a system a quarter in lenght which isn't even complete yet. Plus our terrain is way more mountainous. They also want to add an extra runway (a single new runway) to the Heathrow airport for like 50 fucking billion pounds. Meanwhile Berlin built a whole airport that has gone full overbudget for the grand total of like 7 billion euros.
>>221721046>>221721088all anglos have extreme issues with NIMBYbut also all of them have aversion to national ID cards probably there's some few other things. Iwonder why the rest of the world avoids these issues...
>>221721240it's because anglo countries are the only places where installing a public toilet costs 1.7 million dollars and planting a few tree costs nealy 200k poundstoo many counselors and leeches and parasitic PPPs that all need to take a cut
Money laundering and corruption
>>221721421>>221721046is it the "common law" or something?
>>221721419>>221721498yeah, the anglo system places a huge importance on property rights, procedural law and local government (decentralization), which has lots of benefits but can also lead to shitshows like this
Corruption but you can't pay the police to get out of a ticket so most people either don't notice or are in denial about how bad it is
>>221721088I think when it comes to America it is mostly just labour costs and what not. The LIRR workers who are on a strike now have a base pay around 140k from what I've read, up to 200k with bonuses. Impossible to make things cheap this way. How much does a train driver makes in Spain in comparison? 40k maybe? I dont know about Yooke as they are definitely closer to Spain than to USA. Maybe there is a lot of tunneling or something
>>221721774it got approved to cost £37billion or something and that would include both lines going to the north. now its over £100billion and only goes to birminghampeople should be in prison for that kind of error but there's no accountability for anyone here
>>221721419>national ID cardsThese suck thot. Am used to not having one
>>221721955american labor costs more, sure, but not 10 times the cost per mile more red tape and property acquisition are the biggest offenders, and when your politics are generally unfriendly towards large public projects like rail, you lose the know-how of making these things cheaply and efficiently at scale, highway building costs in the US are comparable to europe for example, since they never stopped building those
>>221721419Nah thats typical online bullshitThey are putting data centers everywhere right now. Elons data center has several portable gas turbines there on trucks operating without a permit. This "NIMBY" argument is just making excuses for incompetence and corruption. When businesses want something in USA nothing gets in their way
>>221721046Well, surely it has nothing to do with the fact most of Spain is a dusty and rocky barren meseta, while Bongland has a heavy density of population (and that all the infrastucture in Spain has been built on infinite EU gibs).
>>221722234Also carrying about a document that has every possible detail about me. No thanks
>>221721667somehow it wasn't a problem when the US bulldozed city centers for highways
>>221721241I honestly can't imagine caring about that when half of the people under 20 are indian
>>221721419>Actively refuse to enforce current law and even attack and harass people who do>Promise you the moon if everyone gives you even more for a new id system and grovels at your feet for promising to go out of your way to do a fraction of the job you're literally elected and paid far more than anyone else to doAlways surprising when the British public call out obvious traps then completely forget something else like a Minister accidentally £billions and was let off because she cried and said sorry when if a common person did that they'd be behind bars and articles would come out years later exposing they died horribly from cruel and unusual punishment
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>>221722287>▶true that. it's a lot easier to build high speed rail lines when you can go through empty space in between villages instead of demolishing thousands of houses along the route
>>221722323Those had been hollowed out by jews importing niggers and letting them do whatever they want because commie judge #4645 says so. Land is cheaper when the buildings are run down and the industry long gone, and those who claim to own anything can't prove anything.
>>221722323it's because that's where the black people lived (seriously)
>>221722244It is hard to make exact comparison because a lot depends on the soil and the structured that need to be built, also how the costs are calculated, does it include the stations, underpasses, the transformers and electric supply, train control system, etc. I think it is more about general lack of experience, high labour costs and also high land costs. The red tape argument seems like a cope to me. There could be also corruption involved, honestly I dont know anything about railway construction and structural engineering but looking at some of those California HSR pictures they are building these giant pillars that look like they are made for some Warhammer 40K movie set even though high speed trains have very little axle load and in other countries the structures seems much smaller and simpler. But it could be just different soil condition or something, I dont know. Either way I think red tape is a cope because you can see that when large businesses want something like data centers or oil fracking, they get it done quickly without caring about the environment or the affects on living quality for the people nearby.
>>221722244Same appliest to nuclear reactors. Russia who is backwater country builds more reactors around world than europe does
>>221722287ugggh my castilian sovl yearns for the MESETA
>>221722515As a fun fact, the Chinese here have been struggling with the implementation of the European Train Control System (ETCS) They were given free hand by the government financed by us. Basically the government hired a Chinese company with zero relevant experience to implement the most complicated aspect of a 2 billion Euro rail project and they are struggling with it because even though the Chinese train control has very similar fundamentals (continuous monitoring, RBC + GSM-R) it is not exactly the same. They are also struggling with the gates because the Chinese high-speed rail has grade separation so they never had to bother with those kek. So a lot of times with these projects its really just lack of experience or even incompetence
>>221722790Some time ago I think Bombardier or Alstom won a contract to equip 25 Bombardier Traxx and 10 Siemens Eurosprinter trains with ETCS here and they could make it work in their own train (Traxx) but struggled for like almost a year with the Eurosprinter trains so eventually they cancelled the whole contract and even took out the ETCS from the Traxx trains kekThe more I read about infrastructure projects the more it is just incompetence.Romania also recently built some giant bridge, or more like some Japan-Italian company that has a 7.5 ton vehicle restriction because the whole construction was a disaster
>>221721088Having a Paki flag type this trvke hurts. But yeah we're in a massive state of decline made even worse by taking in the rest of the worlds trash straining the already failing system.
>>221721046It can't be done!
>>221721046It was originally supposed to reach manchester and the like, and cost £33mill. It has now already cost more than that, the bits past birmingham have been cancelled, it will not be highspeed anymore, and barely any of it has even been built yet. Great job.>>221721419Its entitelment. No one is willing to have the slightest sacrifice or inconvenience for the common good.
>>221722515>>221722790>>221722857I think lack of experience is a big part indeed, you have to start everything from scratch and learn through trial and error instead of using an already well-oiled machine, and that leads to delays and more costs tooland prices are incomparable between california and most of the world as well, so yeahI do think red tape is still relevant because the more delays and litigation that take place the more costs in creasebusinesses in the US just play off states against each other for whoever can get the biggest red carpet with tax cuts and administrative help, and it's private money so the public doesn't scrutinize this much beyond things like environmental concerns, can't really get that leeway with public works
>>221721046Brits built the modern world. We owe them a debt of gratitude.
>>221722954>Paki flagouch
>>221721046Because our government just exists to molest children and get away with it
>>221722409Colonising that much of the New World really screwed the Spanish over in the longterm it would seem. Weren't they decently populated area relative to the rest of Europe in the middle ages? Not that it matters now, I imagine Spain is fairly nice place to live compared to the Po or Rhein.
>>221723075It's not an insult in this country like Bongistan, at least not yet.
>>221721046Anglo countries are firmly in the managed decline phase. We have the same issue where political will and vision is absent and we're veering steadily into inefficient populism.
>>221722387>LeftHeaven
>>221722762Based
>>221723258it's not pakistan dude
>>221723223Not really. Those population patterns already existed even before spanish colonisation in the americas started. It simply makes sense to have fewer, larger and denser towns in the average spanish weather. Plus it made it easier to defend population centers from attacks and shit like that.
NIMBYismBoomers control our politics and want nothing built anywhere
>>221721498What does "dwelling" mean in this context? Home ownership for several EU countries is basically at an all time low, with Germany being the worst.
>>221723497The median age is lower in both Britain and the US THOUGH
>>221721046>costedESL moment!!!
>>221722409Spains population density is so weird. They have the emptiest and densest square kilometers on the continent.The country side is empty but every town is huge apartment buildings and super dense.
>>221722368It's one giant package deal. All interconnected to maximize misery and disperse anger in a thousand different directions. I think the country being built by trains only for us to forget how to make them ourselves is a pretty fitting image to represent this hell
>>221723549If you try to build anything here some boomer campaign immediately begins to block it.Because all the boomers here own houses outright and want to defend their property values.Brits are retards who will invest in the property casino and never in index funds
>>221721046This image is false.Britain is yet to build that high-speed rail, they've just paid for it.
As an example, boomers tried to stop a cancer hospital expanding in London.>One suggests ‘the idea of what they are proposing sounds horrendous and an overbearing incursion to all locals’. Another says ‘the scale of the proposal would significantly alter, for the worst, the character and quality of life of resident living’.>‘My home is a Grade II Listed building,’ another local writes *in their objection to an expansion of a cancer hospital*. ‘The proposed development would cause significant harm to its setting, character and historic significance, contrary to the statutory duty to preserve listed buildings and their surroundings
>>221723643Spain also has a higher rate of home ownership than Britain, so that doesn't explain it either.
>>221721046And guess who payed for it as well, hint, it wasn't pablo
>>221723807it was surely not lazy Sven and his tiny nation of a few million people
>>221724119Italians are like women, always projecting
>>221723807at least we make efficient use of eurogibs and now I can travel from madrid to barcelona and back for like 25€ thanks germany!!!
>>221723568yeah this town has less than 16k people lol
>>221724288you're right sorry i was just projecting, italy is a nation of 10 million people, while sweden has a population of 60 millions
>>221721046german car lobby
We're very corrupt and very inefficient.We used to be the masters of using bureaucracy to manage logistics, but now there are too many layers of bureaucracy and we can't do anything anymore.Also, and this is going to get some disagreement, Brits are very classically conservative. That's not in the modern political sense of the word, but the actual sense of the word where the focus is on keeping things as they are and being very slow and cautious to the point of inaction when it comes to change.
>>221723790Rich brits buying norher property doesnt increase property ownership because boomers rise cost of it
>>221722857What do you think about our common high speed rail my hunbro. When will you open your section. We are waiting for you
>>221721046in my country is so retarded, we have a political dispute on how fast the train should go
>>221721046Building from London to Birmingham is basically going through one continuous urbanised area, whereas the middle of Spain is empty. Of course it costs more to through houses and public infrastructure
I had an asshole landlord who started constructions in the middle of tenancy. He thought he would pay 15k or something and be done in a month. It took 40k and three months instead. I think dragging on and on is standard procedure like this here but im not sure.Anyways the dumbass lost all his savings to basically get rid of a lovely arts and crafts tapestry and replace it with a white wall thinking that renovation=higher rent price, of course i left lmao.
>>221727591>tapestryWall paneling*
in FPTP, the opposing party exists solely to delay and bloat projects just so the party in power looks bad next electionit works too, so very well
>>221721046Meanwhile in Spain.
>>221727591id leave as soon as the landlord announced the intention of turning my house into a construction site. fuck living like that.
>>221727591your landlord: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZs5LMmcDJE
>>221721088Why would we want high speed rail when we have high speed planes?
>>221723167That's not true, there's also the nigger poo tax to transfer obscene amounts of wealth to already disgustingly wealthy multi-billionaires
>>221721046>Why can't brits build stuff anymore?Corruption lol. We are cooked fr
>>221721955union labor is expensive but it's not the thing preventing HSR in America. it's that a dumbo whose neighbor's cousin's grandmother once lost a pubic hair within 50 miles of the proposed track gets to sue for an environmental impact study and there needs to be 96 hours of public comment on an amendment to an ordnance in the town of Fuckwitch on whether the pube hair landing zone ought to be designated a historically protected site.we have this because there are lots of examples where random corpos bribe the county board and end up exterminating 10 species of fish or what have you. understandable to overreact to that sort of thing but it leads to fuckery.
>>221727945This could have been prevented by the nigger poo tax. Sad!
>>221722762>si el cielo de castilla es alto, es porque lo habran levantado los campesinos de tanto mirarlowhat dis mean
>>221721046UK has infrastructure projects not to actually build things but to occupy boomers with their favourite activities: opposing just to oppose (e.g. some ugly ass tree nobody noticed suddenly becomes the thing that must be saved or else and that means UK government has spend additional £700M to route the infrastructure far away from it) and lawsuits (an excavator noise from 10 km away annoyed me one time for 20 minutes, so I'm entitled to £5M settlement so that I can fuck off to a sprawling Spanish villa).
>>221721421We need the leeches to prop up the cost of housing.
>>221727993Im done paying rent i live in my car right now.
An issue that I haven't seen addressed yet that we have here in the US (and so I assume UK as well) is that bureaucrats are considered parasites so public staffing is kept as minimal as possible, basically just contract administrators/managers and all the labor is done by firms that charge 2-4x the labor rate. I work for one of these firms and do all my work for the state department of transportation (as do many of my colleagues) but they would never ever hire us directly because that would be "waste" even though just in my team of 5-6 people alone it would save almost a million dollars per year.
>>221727401More people=more customers
>>221725977From a Hungarian perspective that whole project is a complete shitshow. We basically paid 2B+ Euros for the Chinese to make themselves a freight line that is completely useless from a domestic perspective past Kunszentmiklos-Tass as it goes through the middle of nowhere. Meanwhile, the line going through Cegléd to Szeged right next to it is in a rough shape. The Chinese also have no experience obviously with the implementation of the ETCS so now they are trying to get it together. On top of that Hungary does not have enough EMUs for commuter traffic. MÁV has around 123 Stadler Flirt and 40 Stadler Kiss double-decker units (-the ones under repair or maintenance so less in reality) If they finally start commuter traffic on that line it means the Stadler EMUs currently operating in other places will get pulled and replaced on those lines with 50+ year old push-pull trainsets. Even the Eurocity trains between Belgrad and Budapest will only work out (if they will) because the rolling stock for the Eurocity to Prague is fully covered by Czech Railjets. Hungary has a giant intercity rolling stock shortage because they have not bought forever, the domestic production stopped, the cars made were proven to be unreliable and on top of that the company that is supposed to do the 4 year maintenance and exam for the cars got bought out by some oligarch who decided to build coaches for Egypt instead but with the Ukrainian war they got cut off from Russia (it was a co-op) and they tried to hand-made the things the Russians were doing with proper equipment so Egypt does not breach the contract and sue until the company got bankrupt basically and now it is under the national railways again lol. MÁV also leases like 65 or something Siemens Vectrons now because even though they signed an agreement they did not actually buy any locomotives so now they are spending like 40k Euro a month on leasing each locomotive. The railway situation here is a shitshow
>>221729361I have my doubt whether the Chinese can ever get their system ETCS approved honestlyLast week we just had a going past stop sign emergency where the old Hungarian 75hz worked but then the train behind was supposed to slow down to change rails but the driver did not notice the signal and ended up going through with 110km/h on a 40km/h switch which derailed the train. The 75hz train control system did not force emergency brake just repeated warnings and these new trains sped up so fast that it was going way too fast and got there quick before it could be stopped. So knowing these things starting that Budapest - Belgrad line without ATP would be a complete political suicide so it is up the Chinese now
>>221729361>>221729471
>>221723258Pakistan and Algeria are wildly different countries.
>>221723258>>221722954Fucking based.
>>221723258>>221722954bvll
>>221722287holy sovl plains
>>221722515Rail transport is the cheapest bro. Southern provinces will be able to sell goods cheaper to europoors. Intermodal terminals are being spammed left and right in Serbia by private companies who want to import export to north. First hungarian operated train carrying hungarian goods for novi sad started in february. Also EMU problem can be easily done. Buying trains is much cheaper than building modern railwayshttps://www.blic.rs/biznis/uspostavljen-teretni-zeleznicki-saobracaj-izmedju-srbije-i-madjarske/6byd5dz
>>221721046Spain's high speed rail infrastructure has never been profitable. There isn't a single mile of AVE that doesn't lose money.It's kind of an ego project for the government, and they dump a lot of money into subsidizing it.
>>221727945>>221721267Can't have train crashes if you have no trains.
>>221731375Public transport projects are rarely if ever profitable. Pretty much no country has profitable motorways. Like 90% of airports aren't profitable. Bus routes are rarely profitable. Roads aren't profitable. The benefits of public works ripple through other areas of the economy which are harder to directly measure but they definitely exist.
>>221731460That's true. The cost of transportation is like the cost of energy, it affects the prices of literally everything else in society.>Like 90% of airports aren't profitable.Really? I guess we should be grateful our overlords allow us the luxury of international travel.
>>221721046Anglo countries are muh rule of law countries. They are filled with more lawyers per capita than med countries. And the other european countries like Germany and Nords are more engineering minded than the lawyer cucked Anglosphere.
>>221731460>The benefits of public works ripple through other areas of the economy which are harder to directly measure but they definitely exist.This. Basing the success/failure of public transport solely on whether the fares can cover the cost of operation is misguided.
>>221723004>Its entitelment. No one is willing to have the slightest sacrifice or inconvenience for the common good.To be fair, it's entirely justified. Having your house confiscated just because a railway or major road is going to be built through is no small sacrifice.If your "sacrifice for the common good" is losing the house you've worked your entire life for and be paid pennies by the government in compensation... yeah, I wouldn't want to do it either.
>>221721046The UK doesn't give a fuck about anything but London. If something doesn't happen to be in London, they don't care, this including any kind of infrastructure.
>>221722323That was before the Civil Rights Act made urban planning impossible here
>>221721088Anglo democracy is crap and will remain so as long as FPTP two-party tyranny is the norm. Only proportional representation could fix it.
Corruption and money laundering on the scale of soviet republics why does it cost 1 morbillion to build a train line you ask? Because my mates building company need contracts
>>221721774we are lucky that the corruption and embezzling is confined to stealing public funds for roads and shit and not stuff like the police and army at least
>>221721156True but tftp
>>221732421proportional representation means city wogs can outvote youno thanks
>>221721419>but also all of them have aversion to national ID cardssorry i dont trust that peter "we are going to kill american citizens with the authorization of the white house" thiel and mark "lobbying all western governments to mandate invasive digital id systems to do literally anything" zuckerberg have my best interests in mind
>>221732685Of course not.Paying to have communist women arrest your nan for Facebook posts and confiscate her deadly rolling pin isn't corrupt at all, and I'm sure your police force would never misappropriate funds.
>>221734192SSNs are already citizen IDs, you and the brown are both retarded just for different reasons
>>221734687i dont need to hand it over to use my computer and have every mouse movement, click and keypress inexorably linked to my real world identity
>>221721046>wich costed I'm literally an ESL Brazilian and even I know how to spell "which" and that the past tense of cost is cost, come on bruh
>>221722954American education system be like:
>>221722954>>221723258bro
>>221723223>Weren't they decently populated area relative to the rest of Europe in the middle ages?Nah Iberia was always somewhat "desolate". France was the real center of population in Europe for almost the entire middle ages, iirc France alone accounted for something like a 1/3 of Europeans at its relative peak.
>>221721088>because anglo democracy was clearly the best government system for a couple centuriesLiterally only started in the post-war in UKBefore that the house of lords was stronger than the commons
>>221734741Costed is also a word, but it is only used in the context of business, accounting and project management, so he's correct.
>>221734877The Lords lost power before both world wars, the Parliament Act of 1911 is what finally made the Commons supreme.
you guys are such brainlets
>>221734687they're not, you're not required to get a ssn
>>221721046To be fair Spain is the anomaly in this case. They are only behind China in having the longest high-speed railway networks.
I've heard wild things about paperwork in the tens of thousands of pages and having to hire ten billion consultants to draft extremely long reports about how this piece of asphalt or that generator is planning to enhance equality or something in the local community
>>221736613dont forget the part where the consultants all need to be black women
>>221721046>costed
>>221721046Even though the British invented the railway. Don’t you find that a bit sad?:'(
>>221736973what did the nihonese invent?
>>221723643land speculation is the death of the nation
i want to do a pilgrimage to santiago compostela
>>221722303But you already carry a phone 16 hours a day doe?
>>221721046the huwhite man(EU) was been keeping em down
>>221721046i think it is two things, number one the elite are just corrupt and love giving tax money to their mates and nimbyism. if the train goes near a village they will shut it down.
>>221723568yep i have driven in spain parts feel like laponia its bizarre because its good land
>>221734687SSNs are unconstitutional
>>221739898what article do they break
>>221739942the 10th
