Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 21, Number 245: Narrated Abdullah : A person was mentioned before the Prophet (pbuh.) and he was told that he had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The Prophet said Satan urinated in his ears.

>>222085044
God urinated on us all.

>>222084915
what punishment would await you for saying this openly in your country? just curious

>>222085068
You will be in jail, worst case you will get murdered for openly criticizing Islam.

>>222085133
then stop doing it

>>222085160
Islam destroyed our civilization so no.

>>222084915
>canaan not independent
Nope.

>>222085181
what civilization did Moroccans have in the jahilliyah era?

>>222085357
Mauritania and the Mauro-Roman kingdom.

>>222085406
and what exactly did they build or invent?

>>222085432
How is this relevant?

>>222085432
They lived for a short period so they couldn't, North Africa would probably be great if Islam wasn't in the way.

>>222085432
What did the poles invent mf you ain't different from bantu niggers
Maybe the only valuable thing you mfs did is Polish Lithuania empire and luckily winning against the turks.

>>222085522
we're talking about Morocco, not about Poland.

Poles generally accept that civilization came to Poland together with Christianity and there was nothing worth attention before that here. The official year of beginning of the Polish state is the year when our duke was baptized.

idk why that Moroccan poster cannot accept the same about his own country

>>222085459
because being called a "civilization" requires having some notable achievements, not just existing?

im sure finns don't think there was something like independent "finnish civilization" before finland got influenced by the european culture (through sweden). it was just random tribes roaming around

>>222085629
So. Let's all go full islam and start being thirdies?

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>>222085592
North Africa was Christian too, we had many great Christian figures. Islam just destroyed and didn't build anything.

OP is underage. Report him.

>>222084915
Islam made berbers relevanr and took them out of literal cavemendom
Without islam there's no almoravids or almohads, no saadis, no fatimids, no barbary piracy
Only cleaning roman feces
>>222085357
None lmao.
A few roman and phoenician exclaves where the locals were mostly excluded
>>222085692
Having a few roman colons doesn't qualify for "morocco was christian". Not even egypt or tunisia was majority christian, even judaism was more common in north africa than christianity ever was

>>222085925
Berbers would've adopted Christianity or Judaism and become leaders of the world.

>>222084915
I am confinced that Nafria and the moddle east would be entirely on par with europe and among the best regions to live in the world without Islam.

>>222086070
lmao
>>222086048
Nope you would still be the same slum living subhuman just worshipping yehweh instead of allah

>>222084915
finally a moroccan i can somewhat respect

>>222085925
>Islam made berbers relevanr and took them out of literal cavemendom
>>222085592
>civilization came to Poland together with Christianity and there was nothing worth attention before that here

Lmao, do religioncucks really?

>>222086205
Im not well read on poland but you can take your time to look into pre-islamic morocco especially and nothing of note was made by locals if at all. Nothing written or built in berber, not a single self proclaimed berber of note (besides muh st augustine who wrote everything in romance and was thoroughly romanized). Nothing.
>But muh arabs destroyed everything
Yet they didn't do the same for meme ethnicities right at their doorstep, most curious.

>>222086323
Then why are Muslim countries bad at everything? Not a single good Muslim country.

>>222084915
Middle East would have their own insufferable type of Christianity by now. It's genetic.

>>222086370
Gulfies + SEA + bosnia + turkey all mog you into oblivion
you will never find peace until you admit that the subhuman is within, not inflicted

>>222086392
Bosnia is among the poorest and low IQ countries here in Europe. It's apart from that not a funtkioning Nationstate and has to rely on a German "Dictator" to function. It has a massive social crisis caused by gambling. I think it has the most Gambling Dens per capita on the Planet.

Turkey is a shithole and Gulfies are fully dependent on Oil exports. Yet with their infinite money the best they can invest into to prevent their inevitable decline are Micky Mouse cities and Cristiano Ronaldo.

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VGHHHHHH
Finns return to Egypt, their rightful homeland. Sigurd would be proud.

>>222086801
Yet they still mog your nafri shithole most curious

>>222086861
>Yet they still mog your nafri shithole
You think Saudi Arabia has better life than Germany?

I think a fair comparison would be following:
Turkey without Islam would be like Germany or Japan.
Bosnia without Islam would compare to Austria or Switzerland
Gulfies without Islam would be like Norway.
Norway also have 0 intelectual achievements yet even them low IQ snow negoes manage a succesful and well run oil induced fund for their future prosperity.

>>222084915
However, Muhammad was a descendant of the high priest Levi.

>>222086923
Im talking about wherever you came from yassin, your headcanon is of little relevancy to the discussio'

>>222086923
Nafria and Syria would compare to the likes of Spain and Italy.
With Jordan taking some Tax heaven position and be like Monaco or San Marino.

It still would be shit. War, genocide,one thinking they are superior to the others

>>222085925
>>222086048
One of the greatest saints of all time came out of North Africa, St. Augustine. He was a berber.

>>222086964
I take on the discussion in OP.
It reads a world without Islam. What if civilization continued to flurish in Islamic shitholes since there is no Islam to hold them down.

>>222087006
I wonder what Iran would be. Propably some next level Civilization we didn't see/achieve as of now.

>>222087018
n=1

>>222086923
>Gulfies without Islam would be like Norway
don't kid yourself

>>222087028
>no Islam to hold them down
Islam is holding no one down especially not cavemen nafris who were still figuring out fire by the time arabs came

>>222087035
Quality > Quantity

More cultural output than say, the entirety of indonesian history. City of God & Confessions as well as other treatises.

>>222087048
All they have to do is to invest the suplus money in serious assets insteed of building bulshit cities like Dubia, hosting WC like Qatar and buying Cristiano Ronaldo for 500 Million Euro Salary a year.
It's not rocket science.

>>222087075
Bosnia is the best example of what I am talking about.
There are not different people to Croats or Serbs.
But you can very clearly see the difference of shitholeness level that Bosnia is in Comparison to the other two.
Croatia is a nice place but just over the border It's fucking devestated.

>>222085925
For3a, warreyt lhom

>>222087090
That speaks of him as a person and nothing more since you cant name any other individual
>>222087149
Still nothing to do with islam

>>222087149
>There are not different people to Croats or Serbs.
>But you can very clearly see the difference of shitholeness level that Bosnia is in Comparison to the other two.
Yeah, really wild stuff. It's almost like they got pillaged by Serbs for decades or something.

>>222087149
in Bosnia it has nothing to do with religion but simply with war destruction. Christian areas don't really look any better (or worse) than Muslim areas, Bosnia is just divided into less destroyed and more destroyed areas.

desu if we were to judge Bosnia by architectural worth then actually the Muslim-majority (or historically Muslim) cities would be the greatest.

>>222087252
>Still nothing to do with islam
I think it has all to do with Islam. Islam simply deteriorates culture and people. It's like the pure antithesis to civilization. There simply is no good example of a well run Islamic country. It's always shit and always laughably badly managed.

>>222084915
Aren't young people less religious now there?

damn these mudslimes won't take accountability but blame others. now they will saying albania is a shithole because of soros. or that dagestan is raped by Russians with subsidies, meanwhile north ossetia which is better and unfunded is actually fake
>>222087259
>tf tp

>>222087306
In the time Bosnia is still a devestated shithole we rebuild from ground zero over here and had some economic miracle.
Why can we get our shit together and Bosniaks can't? Why do they simply gamble all their belongings away and we over here don't? Why doesn't Islam stop them from that misery they are bringing opon themselves?

>>222087339
Demonstrably wrong
North africa before islam = cavemen tier, vassalized, used as cannon fodders
North africa after islam= great civilizations and dynasties that rivaled global power
>>222087387
Wrong. Even if they were it would make little difference

>>222087444
Nafria before Islam was Roman. Romans had for their time an outstanding quality of life.

>>222087475
So you're conceding that it has nothing to do with islam since the local population was non-muslim yet cavemen tier

>>222087444
nigga after the year 1200 north africa was just as shitty as it used to be, with only Morocco still standing for a few more centuries. last 500 years were really a shame and just 100 were under european rule

>>222087252
Yes, and pretty astonishing no one of his caliber has come out of Nafri since.

>>222087526
>cavemen tier
The north African provinces of the Roman Empire where the actaully richest provinces. Some Nafrians became Roman Emperors. How is that cavement tier?
Islam inherited those resources making them mighty before inevitably sinking down to meaninglessness and reverting back to barbarism like piracy during the Barbary coast era. Now that is more cavemen like.

>>222087407
>Bosniaks can't?
why do you blame only Muslims for that, as if there weren't also Christians who are equally unwilling to settle their issues and stop the conflict?

>>222087526
To add further on Nafria. Looking at Egypt today building a new capital city with money they don't have while Cairo is majority devastated slum area.
Now tell me you don't see that it is a fully retarded government decision.
From you denying the reality of Islamic Countries I would say you are today the cave man and Islam turned you into that.

>why do you blame only Muslims for that
Because somehow like in a miracle the Christian parts develop better by ignoring the Bosniak led main government like the Serbs.
And I am not saying I am a fan of christianity. But Christianity doesn't put such a severe strain on the developemt of the human person to force them into being full blooded retards blinf to the world like the Moroccan itt.

>>222087739
also for you my pakistani friend: >>222087839
Also even your country would be better off today without Islam.

If Carthage would have won the punic wars then north africa would have been a great civilisation even without pisslam.

>>222085406
>Mauro-Roman kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauro-Roman_Kingdom

it was in modern day algeria

>>222087627
If you're talking about ottomans then that didn't happen until the 16th century and kickstarted a silver (although golden within that timeframe) age of piracy so you're not only wrong but this is also non sequitur
>>222087688
Wrong
Ibn rushd
Rachid yazami
Ibn al baytar
Ibn farnas
All blow him out of the water
>>222087722
Roman cities were sheltered enclaves of mainly roman citizens with berbers being on the lower ends of the societal totem pole
>Some Nafrians became Roman Emperors.
Exception that proves the rule, most were of mixed descent
>How is that cavement tier?
Outside of those small exclaves, everyone was caveman tier.
You cant name a single berber achievement that isnt tied to romans pre-islam. I can name you thousands post-islam.
>Islam inherited those resources making them mighty
Lol???? What drug dealing backyard did you learn history at. Roma/rome was gone by the time arabs came. All they found was ruins and some mudhut dwellers split between animism and judaism.
>>222087839
>More things that unrelated to islam
Islam literally opposes that. Being frivolous with ressources is a sin. If they actually followed islam they'd be tremendously better

Geg what happened to nafris feeling deeply melancholic about centuries old conversions, one day hopefully islam will stop being retarded blind cult too just like christianity

>>222087839
>Because somehow like in a miracle the Christian parts develop better by ignoring the Bosniak led main government like the Serbs.
How do they "develop better"? Federation of BiH has higher wages and all economic metrics than the Republic of Srpska (not by much but still).

Not to mention that the only big city in Bosnia (so Sarajevo) is under Muslim governance which means the country's upper-middle and upper class (so high earners) is largely of Muslim origin.

>>222087994
It's just one underaged kid who played too much europa universalis.

I am reminded of a random bit of lore I learnt on the internet. Apparently there was a Moroccan guy who converted to Christianity and convinced many others to do so too through a TV show or some sort of online thing.
Is this a common occurance in Morocco?

>islam thread
>self-bumped furiously
another jeetvpn?

>>222088074
Nope. We dont have such TV shows. National channels run the adhan 5 times a day when the time comes and air friday prayers, we also have a dedicated religion tv and radio channel. All islamic.
In short, no, it's an extremely rare case and probably some vocal minority thing.

>>222087962
>Islam literally opposes that
Islam is opposing so many things and yet you observe those things nowhere in the world in an equal comically exaggerated manner as you do in Islamic countries. I simply think it's a state of mind caused by Islam. Like you no matter with how many arguments confronted insist that Islam is all right and fine. It isn't. The realization of the mistakes is what makes people do better. But if I only believe all the shit that is being done including all the shit I do myself is all fine because le Islam says so, obviously there will never be betterment or improvement. We left Christianity behind here as a leading factor of our culture. And no it's not trannies and faggots and incel that are the consequence but a well functioning institution that are run by proper law and do their job managging this country in a responsible manner making life for all us simply better. Under Sharia I am very convinced it all wouldn't work even closely as well as it does. Of course it has Mistakes but those mistakes are very far reached from as devestating as Islamic country ones.

>>222087996
Look up how much gibs Bosnia gets from EU and Saudi Arabia. Those gibs don't reach the Serbs insteed they get their own much lower gibs from Serbia. I would still dare to say Them Serbs are better off and live better lives.

>>222088122
Damn. Maybe I imagined it. Or something. Well anyway, I have a vague conception that Moroccan tea is great from the media I consumed. So I hope you enjoy your tea today bro.

>>222088150
They dont follow what islam preaches ergo why they're in such catastrophic state, at least according to you. Individual/group actions cannot be blamed on a religion that you dont even apply to half it's full extent.

>>222088161
>So I hope you enjoy your tea today bro.
Thanks, i wish you a great evening as well. Although i dont drink tea unless im in a family gathering or chilling outside since it messes with my zinc and iron intake

>>222087962
3/4 of them are europeans kek

>>222088190
You entirely miss the point. You are a lost case as many of your kind.
Don't complain about your cavemen shitholeness ever again since you are the reason for it. And don't come here to escape your shithole. You have to live in what you sow.

>>222088150
>I would still dare to say Them Serbs are better off and live better lives.
your anectodal evidence isn't backed by statistics so let me call it bullshit
>muh Saudi money
yeah, surely two or three mosques built in destroyed village had a profound influence on Bosnian economy
maybe Serbs had a better life if they didn't spend their own money on building giant orthodox cathedrals just to show off to their muslim neighbors

>>222088221
Your point wouldve made sense if i were under almoravids who had religious intentions in their ruling system and campaigns and politics. All modern arabic states are secular first and Islamic (not to be confused with muslim) to have a front to fall back into and avoid revolts for being too forward with their unislamic politics.
As it stands, not a single issue you stated can be blamed on Islam as a set of rules or philosophy or religion since the people concerned dont really follow it. It's a lack of planning, long term thinking, competence and a result of corruption and personal gain over group improvement. Islam preaches none of this. If a button that switches official religions in north africa every 100 years while keeping everything else intact existed you'd have the same results and outcomes for the next 100000 years. Christianity wont solve that, atheism wont, judaism wont, buddhism wont... So on so forth.
Your problem isnt with the lack of development in these countries or the abysmal pre islamic history, you just have an itch, a chip on your shoulder over islam and probably some proselytizing fantasy that isnt fulfilled.

>>222084915
If North Africa wasn’t Muslim it would be the Australia of the old world vghhh.

>>222088190
Islam is a civilization ending mind disease because the blueprint for a good muslim is still a pedo warlord with a penchant for incest from 1400 years ago plus the inbreeding resulting from this

>>222084915
major Muslim shitholer cope ive seen it too many times even here. trke is our kinds would find an exact alternative to islam if islam was not invented by mo

>>222084915
Islam made MENA great, you dimwit

>>222084915
My morrocan coworker is inviting the whole company to drink, party and grill. He wants to talk about jews with me a lot. I am staunch in my belief that christianity is the best religion and has created the best society but we find common ground in shittalking jews

>>222090416
So your ancestors would find an alternative to Islam so you would be havinɡ sex with children?

>>222093475
It's not just children you stupid chud. They also like fucking goats, their cousins and they enjoy stealing and murder which is part of their culture since they're brown and we should therefore respect it

>>222092156
Not sure whats worst between the moroccon begging for validation, the "german", the clearly upset muslims or the romanian talking about europe like hes not from the anus with 0 contributions to actual european accomplishments