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>This confuses and enrages the European
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Beautifuck
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>>79236683
Yeah.
It's ugly and inconvenient as shit.
No way to live
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>>79236683
>poor layout
>no sidewalks
>no shops/services in sight
looks horrible
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>>79236683
Suburbs are cancer. I'm glad that my city's geography more-or-less prevents them.

Still have a bit, obviously, but the largest subdevelopment of McMansions we have is two blocks wide. They don't look too bad when it doesn't have the footprint of a small city.
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where are the shops?
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>>79236724
>>79236783

This. What those suburbs are missing are cafes, shops, parks, schools etc.
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Heavily populated middle-class zone with no large perpendicular lanes is nothing unusual in big "European" cities
What you'd be hard-pressed not to find would be sidewalks, bus stops and small shops/infrastructures
Cagers were a mistake
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>>79236874
I agree comerade
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>>79236845
>Cagers were a mistake
Nazi Germany was a mistake. Our highway system is modeled off their transportation methodologies, and the highways enabled suburbs.

>Yet everyone wants their own little selfish plot they won't ever really take advantage of.
Since when are Chinese not selfish? That's like their primary characteristic.
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This is my town layout
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>>79236907
forgot to quote >>79236874
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>>79236955
OP's image is Chinese you subhuman. It's in Wuhan.

Funny how you brainlets automatically assume it's American.
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>>79236907
>Nazi Germany was a mistake. Our highway system is modeled off their transportation methodologies, and the highways enabled suburbs.
Explain to me how there isn't a huge leap in logic in what you just wrote
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Just think, if all humans crawled off to die in a cave, then all the fairies and woodland creatures could live in harmony, frolicking around.
Why are we so evil?
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>>79236980
USA didn't have the suburb problem until the autobahn was planned.

We had cars but urban/suburban planning didn't reflect that until the 1930s.
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>>79237028
>Where do you think that development stems from?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburb#Origins_of_the_modern_suburb

I wonder

>Due to the rapid migration of the rural poor to the industrialising cities of England in the late 18th century, a trend in the opposite direction began to develop; - newly rich members of the middle classes began to purchase estates and villas on the outskirts of London. This trend accelerated through the 19th century, especially in cities like London and Manchester that were experiencing tremendous growth, and the first suburban districts sprung up around the city centre to accommodate those who wanted to escape the squalid conditions of the industrial town.
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>went to China and saw their ugly as fuck old sky scrapers.
>went to the US and saw the same ugly design.

US is literally China
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Detest tree worshipping pagans
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This is my town layout
It's fucking not soul
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>>79236683
What the fuck
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>>79237158
>This image comforts and soothes the aggravated 'Stayan
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>>79236913
Why is the UK always so perfect?
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>>79237448
Bath is one of the nicer cities here
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>>79237516
I'm from Venice, I really envy all that nature you have.
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>>79236683
where the fuck are the stores, clubs, parks etc?
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>>79237562
Venice is one of the most beautiful cities in the world
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>>79237516
Based Romans knew all the best places to build a town

>>79237562
My condolences ;___;
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>>79236683

Bydlení v největším satelitu. Fascinující letecké snímky předměstí
22. března 2016 1:00

Vítejte na předměstí čínského města Wu-chan. Sen o životě ve vlastním si chce splnit čím dál tím více Číňanů. Kolem měst vyrůstá obrovská sídelní kaše, kam se stěhuje bohatá střední třída. Podívejte se na fascinující fotografie obřích satelitů.

Zdroj: https://bydleni.idnes.cz/bydleni-v-satelitu-0n9-/stavba.aspx?c=A160317_165745_stavba_web
Housing in the largest of the satellite. Fascinating aerial pictures of the suburbs
22. march 2016 1:00

Welcome to the suburbs of the chinese city of Wu-chan. The dream of a life in my own wants to fulfill more and more Chinese people. Around the cities grows huge sprawl, where moves rich middle class. Check out the fascinating photos of giant satellites.

Source: https://bydleni.idnes.cz/bydleni-v-satelitu-0n9-/stavba.aspx?c=A160317_165745_stavba_web
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>>79237562
how the fuck do natives even stomach living in venice? it's literally tourist hell
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>>79236683
it's in China
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The true tourist hell is Prague trust me.
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>>79237849
cheeky frites-eating surrenderer, I just indicated that by what I posted.
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>>79236683
This is worse then commieblocs.
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>>79237967
yes but your post is tl, mine is tl;dr from yours
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>>79237015
that still doesn't explain your shit planning
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>>79237618
Yes but there aren't a lot of trees

>>79237635
I'm happy to live here

>>79237782
Yes it's expensive and crowded in summer / late spring but it's pretty here :3
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>>79236683
Dear fat american, from my home i can WALK (yeah, no scooter, walk by foot) to my doctor, 2 pharmacies and 3 grocery shops within 30 minutes of lazy walk.

Good luck doing that in your surbushubbullshit.

Have a nice day.
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Suburbia offers no real life, just refuge from the world
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>>79236683
cut but i would always got lost and never find my copy-paste house
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>look up random city in california on google satellite
>looks identical to my city on google satellite except drier
What's wrong with the most efficient city layout?
Planned cities (like mine) have this layout so you can get everywhere extremely quickly, therefore saving time
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>>79240075
>California
>can get everywhere extremely quickly

I like anglo humor
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>>79240218
If California had European style city planning, it would be even more time wasting
Just face it, grid style city planning is best
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>>79236683
I heard that americans don't have kettles
that's what fucking confuses me
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>>79240585
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-traffic-los-angeles-20170220-story.html
>No surprise here: Los Angeles is the world's most traffic-clogged city, study finds

I like your commitment to the joke tho
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>>79240777
Well Los Angeles is nowhere near as gridlike as other cities in California (like the one I randomly zoomed on) so they should make their city more gridlike to help eliminate traffic problems
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I am confused and enraged by this.
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>>79240895
Any major Californian city needs to be nuked, they are absolute ahitholes with the only scum populating them
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>>79240895
m8 7 out of the top 20 worst cities to drive in the US are located in California.
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Do they microwave their water?
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>>79240707
We do, theyre just called different things here
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>>79236874
I am selfish because I would like to have my own yard? You can go and live crammed in a little apartment building, i had to do that for most of my childhood and moving into suburbs was a huge improvement.
In the future I plan to get land in a rural area to have even more privacy. Obviously this type of living is not for everybody, if you feel the need to go to a cafe every morning and have dinner at restaurant every friday then it's probably not for you.
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>>79241003
Too much population there
They need better grid system like cities such as Savannah have
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>>79239559
>refuge from the world
Whats the problem with that
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>>79241069
>>refuge from the world
>Whats the problem with that

The problem is you can't "walk to the store", Europeans place a lot of value on walking to the store
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>>79241137
I live in LA county and the nearest store gere is about a 15 walk away.
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>>79241066
No, its because cuckfornians are terrible drivers
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>>79236683
it does look a bit confusing 2bh
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>>79236845
>america
>bus stops

they drive cars
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>>79236683

That would be nice if it were tidy up and organized around a commercial area with supermarket, cafeterias, the eternal chinese shop, restaurant, etc and some parks here and there
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>>79241017
I always thought grid suburbs are for working middle class in the US, there are always organic planned communities but mostly are for the rich? However, I think this is the distinction between Europe and the US; you can buy a large house, large useless suv and still be a mid level employee while this is reserved to upper middle class and above in Europe, and so they don't have the cheap big house option that exists in the US so they are comparing their more close knitted city apartment and detached houses lifestyle with something that doesn't exist in the EU due to many reasons including economical and spatial.
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>>79241212
Normally its pretty stright forward and comfy, but some layouts can get fucktarded
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>Rural Areas: Large green belt, traditional architectural styles, system of comfortable villages mixed in between forests and fields, attempt to use natural materials (stone walls as opposed to corrugated iron fencing)
>Urban Areas: Georgian Terraces, wide streets and large parks for recreation, arterial roads rather than a grid system (too robotic and ugly), city boundaries marked by purposely antiquated city walls, more ceremonial than practical
>Central Business District: Soviet Classicism, Roman Imperial, Italian Renaissance, French Renaissance and Beaux Arts for the skyscrapers (pic related)

we could have this world if we try
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>>79236683
why are suburbs all done with the same style? where are shops? where are squares? where are parks? where are people?
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>>79241260
There are different suburbs. Its not like suburbs are just mass produced identical houses. Some are for poor people with shit houses and others are for really rich people with nice houses. For example if you compare the suburbs of San Fernando with Beverly Hills there will be a big difference.
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>>79240707
They're called coffee makers
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>>79241391
If not living 5 minutes away from a shop was such a huge inconvenience then i would have offed myself by now.
In terms of people, in my opinion the less the better.
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>>79241396
Yeah that's my point, there are options for every lifestyle and budget in the US, while it doesn't to the same extent in EU, perhaps since EU isn't a singular housing market like the US.
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What's with the single-use autism that defines communities like this? Surely, peppering the community with a few stores and restaurants here and there as well as parks wouldn't hurt anything. I love driving, but I don't see the appeal of having to enter a congested six-lane "street" to do anything, and you don't even get the benefits of slowing down and having a lot of things to look at that typical city streets provide.
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>>79241405
what if you want tea?
what if you just want some hot water?
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>>79241523
Nobody wants their house next to a business
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>>79241523
moving by bus and train also has it charme, why you dont like those?
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>>79241523
Have you ever stepped in an actual suburban area? I know its hard to believe but one snapshot doesn't really show a whole neighborhood.
Most suburbs do have restaurants bearby.
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>>79241175
its actually this.

i remember when my dad was teaching me how to drive, he gave me the wheel at lake tahoe up in the mountains and said, "get us to san fransisco". i had no problem going down the crazy hairpin turns out of the mountains. passed through the outskirts of sacramento (which was deserted because all the greencards went home) and got close to san francisco. suddenly the driving got completely, impossibly clogged out of nowhere. mustve taken me two hours to drive into that godforsaken place.

the next time i went there i was with my friend on a motorcycle. he picked me up from the airport and i was dreading having to sit on the back of the bike for hours as we passed into oakland. little did i know that lane splitting was legal out there. shit took about two minutes and scared the ever loving christ out of me. but i know if i ever went back there, id get a bike and cruise around like i owned the place. its the only way to deal with the fucking impossible traffic.
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>>79236683
>tfw eurocucks will never know the infinite juvenile pleasure of getting 30 of your friends at a party in one of these housing tracks to go skinny-dip raiding across every strangers pool in your neighborhood, then running naked through the copy-paste streets like the umman manda, and hiding under some cucks porch to ditch the cops

suburbia offers nothing but what you put into it. it is a barren wasteland, to be sure, but with a big enough crew, you can find something to do.
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>>79239241
>>79236831
>>79236874
Idk about other suburbians we have these little commercial areas close by that you can walk to easily.
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Sydney suburbs

Thoughts?
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>>79242505
seems decent
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>>79242058
well with a big enough crew you can find something to do in some mountain village of 30 goat herders in pakistan too
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name something worse than this from an infrastructure PoV
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>>79242589
that sounds like fun i guess. i could start a jihadi insurgent cell and shoot buddhists and indians for no reason and justify it with my faith
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>>79241535
use the sun for tea
turn the handle to the left for water
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>>79242671
with one road you cant take the wrong road
seems pretty good to me
also green near your house helps with summer heat
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This my town :DDDD
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>>79242792
I thought it was a picture of dirt from thumbnail :(
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>>79242733
it's actually a pretty significant infrastructural problem in belgium and the netherlands

people just used to build along connecting roads which in turn required full access to all amenities, makes public transportation a shitload more difficult and creates much more traffic along those roads than they were designed for
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>>79242792
it looks like the real life version of mos eisley
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>>79242414
>walk
>americans
pfft
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>>79242792
wtf?
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>>79236683
cant breath
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>>79242884
weird
usually here where big roads cross each other, a starting focus of houses is born and spreads in more or less circular manner
there are some very small rural towns that develop that way but isnt common, also those people usually wanted to live in a more quiet area so they are happy like that
no one would do it near a highway or something like that tho
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>>79236683
Why shouldnt it?
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>>79236683
where do kids go to play?
on the streets or those tiny gardens?
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>>79237141
I agree with this. China and America are the same.
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>>79240585
you mean if they had european city planning people wouldn't have to drive just to buy some milk which means less cars on the road which means less congestion which means going somewhere will be faster (and that somewhere is closer as well)
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here is my suburb :DD :D
I lined the coastal roads with commercial and parks so it's not some disgusting suburban housing development. Reminds me of 60s California.
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>>79242846
>>79242933

This is true! :DD
But not as dirt when closer in this picture. I wish to see grass but even trees are rare. only as in middle of round
I hear lots of grass is bad and hides dangerous insects. But in Desert we get sandstorm every spring monthes.
>>79242887
I suppose :D
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>>79243168
Here is a screenshot along the coastal road.
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>>79242960
low countries are both high density and quite flat (hence the name) which ensures that pretty much everywhere is an acceptable place to plant yourself a house

which means that a lot of people figured out "if I build next to this connecting road I can live outside of town, but still have easy access to everything I need", kept building outwards from the various towns until they met in the middle so to speak, and then the road gradually filled up with other homes
also helped that it was usually re-purposed farmland so a lot cheaper to buy than property in or near towns

at this point it's entirely possible to drive from one town to another and never realize it until you take a side road and find yourself in the middle of farmland
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>>79243171
do you actually live in the desert? Not even along the nile? What city btw
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>>79242792
Your motherboard needs dusting
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>>79236683
Why would you ever live more than 1 minute of walking from a store and your job?
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>>79243168
It's very beutiful :DDD :D
>I lined the coastal roads with commercial and parks
? Simcity?
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>>79242792
Pretty fucking disgusting
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>>79243211
weird af
and if you have to make a road bigger due to traffic what do you do? destroy all houses on one side? or simply build more roads and start again
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>>79243289
Cities skylines
Another pic
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>>79236683
>want to paint my house a different colour or change the layout of my garden
>get sued by a neighbour association

that's some nice private property
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>>79242505
>trees everywhere
>small businesses here and there
comfy/10
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>>79242792
is that the death star?
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>>79243311
you build more roads
then people build houses next to those roads
and before you know it half the countryside is a giant spiderweb of houses that all need to be supplied with amenities, have to be zoned and all have to get to their jobs

understand why it's an infrastructural nightmare yet?
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>>79243375
that sounds about right, at that point you make them into another city/suburban area
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>>79243211
why would anyone want to live there.

overijssel is comfy.
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>>79243375
is this only a belgium thing? I think it is.
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>>79242792
Why do you hate paint?
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>>79243225
Not Desert but sandy city? It is near the nile called imbaba. I imagine cities farther into the desert are much harder. This is a picture on the nile directly though
>>79243252
Everything in the house in dusted maybe every week or month
>>79243293
:(
It looks scary tb h
>>79243315
Looks fun. Time to get a new game soon :DDD
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>>79243375
is it because your people are like fins autists that dont want to stay too close to each other?
it probably gives it's own charme at belgium anyway, also you would leave way more open spots for business since you have to open more supermarkets and shiet
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>>79243444
well you try, but then the farmers protest because they still have farmland in between, there's a couple of tiny ass forests that are protected (low countries are densely populated enough 5 trees and a shrubbery officially constitute a forest), a great war bunker that's historical oh and the zoning happens by the zoning is done by the region, the road by the province and the environmental licenses by the federal government

and all relevant parties have measures in place to individually delay any action by at least a decade if they don't get what they want

Welcome to belgium, enjoy your stay
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>>79243559
makes it harder for planes and missiles to find their target
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>>79243490
you used to have the same problem, but your government started taking action a decade or 2 ago
ours is well... lets just say all the jokes are true and then some
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>>79243588
actually, looking at that picture, those are state/province roads arent they? here the soil around national roads is fiscal so you can't build anything there nor plant anything
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>>79243559
We don't hate paint? I thought it was the european who hate paint and make brick house with no paint except on the top? Most houses are painted but it gets dusted right away :D. Our building was red but got brown because it was painted some years ago. Only expensive buildings are washed or painted again every while
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>>79243578
oh brother, you'd think so but no
belgium is already a bureaucratic hellhole for regular citizens, massive construction projects on the other hand

to give you an example, 20 years of planning for a shopping conflict was recent completely undone because it was discovered that part of the existing parking lot it was going to be using was in fact build over what was technically a road

now said road was paved over in the 1960's, and even back then it was considered so obscure nobody gave a fuck it was paved over and all of it could have been avoided had someone put their signature on the documents back then

but one major of one small town nearby didn't want the shopping mall so they dug until they found that technically there was a road going straight through their construction lot which he had control over and had the entire project cancelled
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>>79243566
This is the pic
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>>79243696
the roads are province, but the land around them is not (at least that's how it goes in belgium)
also belgians really fucking love to build homes
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>>79243744
weaponized autism
we do similar stuff tho, cant escape burocracy
good luck for when people will find out that in burocracy there is big money and the more complex you make it the better you can milk it
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>>79243813
you think we haven't? Belgium has more government officials than France

We're a country of 11 million people the size of a fart and we have 7 governments (Federal, Flanders, Wallonia, Brussels, Dutch community, French community, German community)

and that is most notably NOT considering all the province level governments
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>>79243171
>I hear lots of grass is bad and hides dangerous insects.

If it's not cut regularly it can attract mice, which in turn attract snakes, but otherwise grass is harmless.
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>>79243915
topkek my condolences waffle brother, burocracy genocide when?
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>>79243947
given that the one thing all belgians have in common is political apathy: never
to make the joke complete a good decade ago we set up a ministry of simplification, at the 5 year evaluation it turned out all it did was increase the number of officials
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>>79242671
At least it looks less chaotic than Austrian "planning"
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>>79236683
i don't have any major problems with the concept, it's just that they've implemented it in such a Fordist fashion
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>>79243566
well bears wolfs and stuff here. Sweden is still safe
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>>79244179
that's Chad urban plan
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>>79244179
worst part is, we got chaos to
and we don't even have the altitude differences like you guys as an excuse
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>>79242792
I like you
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>>79244179
>>79244358
guys those towns look normal to me
what's your problem? you want burger suburbs?
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>>79236683
The thing that appalls me the most about American suburbs is their lack of genuine wildlife and trees, everything there is meticulously designed and all the trees there look no older than a few years, compared to Aus suburbs where trees are plentiful and look natural
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>>79244348
Have some more and a comparison with Switzerland

>>79244358
After reading about your situation it seems like Belgium and Austria are both irredeemably fucked by bureaucracy. We also have 10 incompetent governments for 8 million people .
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>>79242792
Have this picture at night?
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>>79244590
swiss are subhumans
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>>79242505
>>79242505
this is looking over Dobroyd Point on the bottom left, Haberfield to the left and Five Dock to the right, with the City West Link in the middle dividing the two. It's one of the most based areas of Sydney, mansions lining the shore of the bay, and doesn't reflect how fucking boring most of Sydney's sprawl desu.
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>>79236683
>americucks depend on motorized vehicles loaded with fossil fuels to do basic tasks and survive
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>>79244358
Feeling bad for just looking that image
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>>79244752
just a fun game: can you find the 5 administratively separate villages in this picture?
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One of the nicer suburbs here (they are all nice though)
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>>79244798
Cant find Forrest nor lake, this inst humanity.
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>>79244467
I just want compact towns and villages they way we built them 100 years ago or how Bavaria is still building them. You could actually have a village whare there's a shop and a restaurant in the middle of town that you can reach by foot.

What we have is just houses spread out like completely random and fuckhuge supermarkets that can only be reached by car. We have the highest amount of road kilometers and shop spaces per capita in all of Europe. Unless you live in Vienna you'll have to drive everywhere,
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>>79244906
forgot to add pic
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>>79244818
is this victoria or some bullshit place?
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>>79244905
by belgian standards there is at least one forest in that picture large enough to be classified as a nature reserve
possibly even 2
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>>79244463
Why would you like me? D:
>>79244667
Sadly no. at least won't we the same shot
>>79244818
This is only a street "good looking"
But where is sky view?
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>>79245022
>you call anything in that forest
Hopefully not
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quite glad i'm not asian 2bh
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>>79245002

yes im surprised you knew
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>>79244818
>black guy walking on street signs
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>>79245113
circled in red is what the provincial government calls an official protected forest in belgium

we don't really have nature left, our largest predator is the common fox
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How do you think all of these projects in Asia and the Gulf will age in the future? Will they be considered nice places?
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>>79245592
I'd say in the gulf it heavily depends on if the states will be capable of successfully transitioning to a post-oil economy
if they don't they'll lack to means to maintain the places
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>>79245592
>Will they be considered nice places?
*expensive places
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>>79236683
Looks like noone is richer than anyone else...?
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>>79245195
Now that I'm older (and no longer brainwashed by all the happy go lucky stuff we were taught in school) I understand why humans fight over land.

Habitable land is a precious resource. Fertile land to grow food is a precious resource.

The reason East China is so highly populated, of course, is because it's such fertile land, perfect for growing lots of food. And therefore the Chinks had enough resources to grow their population.
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>>79245735
It looks like a developer bought the land, subdivided it, and let one building contractor build all the houses. That's why they all look same.
I only see one house that looks different from all the others, the white house with the gray roof
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>>79245285
You cant truly call this forest, i own 4 times more land than thats still fucking nothing.
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>>79245254
this was my suburb in van
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>>79245855
our government does and for good reason, if they didn't all of those trees would be cut down
while it's impossible for Finland, Belgium is both small and populated enough we're at serious risk of losing all our trees
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>>79245959
Plant more trees pls. if you call that forest wonder whats your national park.
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>>79236783
That's why americans drive so much. Their country isn't designed for humans but for cars.
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>>79236831
There is all those things around them.
Most of these shots are made to show some kind of symmetry around the whole place, or maybe they are taken by the developers of that community.

But at least in florida, these residential communities are surrounded by malls and shops, and everything that you can imagine.
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>>79242505
Do you know if Bella Vista in Sydney is a good area?
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>>79236874
>having your neighbor hitting your wall to lower the sound of the TV
>hearing footsteps on your roof from your big foot neighbors.
>having some asshole take your designated parking spot

I'd rather have my own plot of land and house.
Every country and culture have something that they want and is selfish. Land has been a big thing since the beginning for Americans. It will continue to be the case.

If it makes you feel better, the new generation prefers urban centers, so there you go.

also, like I already mentioned. These residential communities are surrounded by small stores, malls, parks, coffee shops, schools, etc.
Just because you get to see a trippy image of newer residential projects, doesn't mean that they don't have any of those things around. The picture is framed to make it seem trippy. Not to show you the actually comfiness of living like that.
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>>79236783
>>79236831
Believe me, they are there
>The most capitalist cunt in the world
>Where are the shops

lmoas
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>>79237158
pranked
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>>79236683
always love those pics, especially when those are huge suburbs in desertic states, makes me feel comfy to see how we dominate nature
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>>79236683
>Look at how much space and resources we take up.
>Look at our short-term, shoddy construction, vehicle dependency, and obvious haze.
>Look at our crushing debt.
>Fuck your sensibility and conscience
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>>79237516
I want to lay naked on those perfectly trimmed trees desu
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i live in the 'burbs and i hate it other than not needing a gun. its making me 10x more autistic than i already am
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>>79242792
Imagine the smell lmao

inb4 some cheeky fellow /int/ellectuals or yourself banters me and say that indeed this city is full of french tourists, then he/you receive plenty of (You)s and it lasts for hours if not days, etc....
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>>79244906
>What we have is just houses spread out like completely random and fuckhuge supermarkets that can only be reached by car.
It's because you're copying America
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>>79236683
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>79248692
America doesn't have "shops" the way a European thinks of it.

America has 5 to 10 large suburbs that all funnel into one mega shopping center, too far away for walking. These box stores specialize in volume, and sell things in massive quantities, meaning you need a large house to store it all, and a large car to transport it all, and large roads to handle the traffic.....etc.
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>>79248912
>space
We have plenty
>resources
We have plenty
>Short-term, shoddy construction, vehicle dependent, and obvious haze
I do agree with the car dependent things. But at least the neighbors where I'm from are not shoddy, and they aren't short term either, as many suburbs have existed for decades now. Some since the 50s and 60s when everything started.

Just because the US isn't a European copycat doesn't mean that it isn't fitting for it's people. Either get off the proxy or move to Europe.
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>>79248449
Do Americans get their mannerisms directly from movies? What the fuck.
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>>79249225
The lifetime of a suburb in my area:
>precious landscape is sold off to a developer by corrupt city council
>mass produces identical-looking houses made of cheap particle board.
>New suburb hits the market, young families rush in
>Eventually kids grow old, start to leave
>Neighborhood grows dark, dreary, no kids in the street, nobody ever goes outside anymore
>Houses slowly start getting sold off to college students and illegal immigrants
>New residents stack 20 people to a house, sleeping on couches, in the garage, on the floor.
>neighborhood has reached the end of it's life cycle, property values drop, eventually becomes a mini barrio
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>>79249419
This not even the average suburb
Most suburbs are not built in the middle of a desert but rather outside of big cities that are eventually (as the city grows) integrated into the city.

Most florida "suburbs" have just developed into huge metro regions, like the rest of the USA. Most "suburbs" and residential space is in this places.

one fuck up, doesn't ruin the whole experience.
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>>79248449
>family never left for the suburbs
>making an absolutely sickening amount of money in rent with gentrification
>suburbans are becoming ghettoized, young cultureless suburbanites flocking to the city

In all seriousness I do have my hands in tasteful urban architecture. Big on Georgian
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>>79249674
You want to live here?
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>>79236683
That looks like a high middle-class suburb, but I don't see any pools. I thought most American homes had them.
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>>79249819
>Americans will spend untold billions in military and will let thousands of their citizens live in the noise and smoke of giant highways
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>>79249740
And that's totally fine.

Making money off the cities is fine.
But actually living there is another thing.

Not everyone can afford a "tasteful urban architecture."

A decent apartment in a big city like Miami can go for about a million bucks.

a Nice 2 story house, outside the city can go for half of that.
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>>79236783
>>79236831
All of those things are close by in most suburbs. I'd also bet that the neighborhood has sidewalks.
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>>79249944
>All of those things are close by in most suburbs.
No, most suburbs are serviced by centralized shopping centers with big-box stores, they don't have local shops in among the houses like European towns.
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>>79246970
This. Lived in Florida for a year, and while the weahter was nice, it was kind of a bummer not being albe to take a walk downtown or actually walk anywhere. Everything is super expansive, so you had to drive everywhere. And there were streets and places of the city you just never saw, because it wasn't on your route. On the other hand, it wasn't much to see either.
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>>79236874
>one large apartment building to comfortably house all of those people
>apartment
>comfortable
Utter bullshit. Being able to hear/see your neighbors and the constant noise outside is terrible.
t.Apartment dweller
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>>79249819
>>79249911

Living right next to the highway is for the poor only.
I'm not familiar with the real state market in Los angeles.

But what is your complain now?
You can obviously see that there are small business all around the residential places. The only bad things being the high way ruining the image of the neighborhood.

I admit that the car dependent design needs some reworking.

But again, this isn't as bad as you make it seem. Where people need to drive half an hour just to get some milk. You can see in the pic people can bike to the nearby business or even walk ( a somewhat long walk mind you.)
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>>79250034
They do have local shops.
There are many businesses and restaurants that you simply don't find in malls.

Gas stations, restaurants, gyms, pharmacies, walmarts, walgreens, etc.
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>>79236980
>Explain to me how there isn't a huge leap in logic in what you just wrote
What he wrote. The U.S. highway system came about from generals like Eisenhower seeing the Autobahn that the Nazis the built.
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>>79250102
>But what is your complain now?

I don't have any other, just entered the thread and saw this pic
When I drive French highways and see houses on the side I always think it's no way to live, however nice the house can be the noise is cancer
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>move to usa
>try to buy a house in a suburb like OP
>get blacklisted by real state companies because youre not white american and would devalue the neighborhood by moving there
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>>79237158
I thought Aussies didn't get asspained....Chinese?
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>tfw capitalism
>tfw everything is mass produced, even the houses

This suburb could be located anywhere. Florida, Missouri, Texas, Ohio, Oregon, Nevada.....etc.
There is no unique culture, no history, no unique ethnicity or traditions. Everything is just one giant sprawl of uniformity. All houses the same.

Pave over the landscape with concrete, import foreign trees, foreign words, foreign religions. Don't build any unique culture or heritage or identity
American way of life
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>>79237952
>The true tourist hell is Prague trust me.
Go to Time's Square NYC. You'll want to kill yourself. I've been to Prague and it is nowhere near as bad.
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>>79250417
If you dont like it then move to europe faggot.
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>>79250417
east coast doesn't have much of this shit, at least not new england
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>>79250034
>No, most suburbs are serviced by centralized shopping centers with big-box stores, they don't have local shops in among the houses like European towns.

A lot of the Northeast is nothing like that.
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>>79250659
If I asked you where this was located, you would immediately know it was Croatia.

Because they actually have a unique culture
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>>79250417
>no unique culture
I will never understand this meme
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>>79250983
Where is this located? What state?
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>>79251287
>What state?

The absolute state of America
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>>79242792
another great civilization ruined by goatfucking muzzies
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>>79251287
Now, where is this located? What country?

You see what I'm saying?
Different places in Europe all are uniquely different. Whereas America is totally homogenized top to bottom.

What's worse is that Americans seem intent on spreading this homogenized consumer culture over to Europe
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>>79251287
>architecture is now the only defining merit of culture
Its American because of the layout. Sorry maybe it triggers you but states dont have much differences architecturally. New England has colonial though. :^).
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>>79236903
>>79236985

Keked
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For everyone asking "Where's the shops?"
This is your answer:

Yellow: Massive fucking shopping area.
White: Suburbs.
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>>79237176
is it seoul?
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>>79237952

visit miami beach
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>>79241523

thank boomers for obnoxious land use laws
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>>79242414

have fun crossing 8 lanes of traffic
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>>79237176
これはどこ
美しいよ
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>>79241294
This nigga gets it
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>>79243168

>road between buildings and beach

3rd world tier
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>>79236683
This looks pretty nice but where is it?
It doesn't look bad to me, in fact it looks pretty nice. Pic related where I grew up.
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>>79251377
kek
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Are those one family dwellings?
If so I'm jelly.
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>>79244179

every lot is unique which makes for comfy spots. industrialized housing is hell
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>>79249220

its what happens where land is essentially free like shithole nevada and florida
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This is where I used to live when my father worked in the US.

Us Europeans shouldn't be fooled. When you're middle class in the US, it's like you're king of the world. You're destined to live in a sprawling house you'd think was a mansion in Europe, and you can litterally live five minutes from the sea without paying too much for your house.

Just pick a comfy New England suburb and you're set.
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Based
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>>79242884
They do the same shit in Denmark
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>>79236683
i like the style of the house.
the garden is too small however and there is too many houses and there seems to be no amenities in that picture for quite a large amount of peopl.
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>>79236683
>Go to your neighbour's
>You already know where the toilets are because you live in the same house

Smart
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>>79245285
We haves wolfes again in germany and they are doing pretty well. Maybe some come over to you.
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>>79245959
>>79246237
Not sure about belgium but my hometown did loose pretty much all of its trees at one point. Having dust storms in northern germany must have been bizare. The issue has been resolved but not many really old trees are left.
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>>79242792

looks like the Death Star
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>>79250417
America does have some culture. But its completly rejected and demonized by hordes of leftists that never left their college circlejerk, or sacrificed to fight made up threats. Guns are evil, history is racist, welfare and socialism better than freedom. And then you wonder where your culture has gone.
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>>79237562
You should have some byzantine golden statues laying around in return though.
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>>79251377
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>>79251488
First, the US is ONE country, not many.
They all speak the same language, not like Europe.
The US as a whole has a shared experienced, with only minor differences.

Why do you expect neighborhoods in the same country to look just as different as a neighborhoods in different countries? Florida and Georgia are basically the same thing. Same language, same country, Same overall culture. Small differences here and there, but most are modern states with modern architecture. They don't have medieval castles or shit like that to claim uniqueness.

These small European countries had thousands of years with borders of their own to develop these small differences. The US is ONE country. You are expecting US states to have cultures as different as countries in Europe. That makes no sense.

What's worse is that Americans seem intent on spreading this homogenized consumer culture over to Europe.

Just move or get off the proxy, really.
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>>79252304
cool.
name of the city?
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>>79236683
It's almost trypophobia-inducing
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>>79250821
No, I would not.
I would know it's in Europe, But I wouldn't know that it's specifically Croatia.

Get it through your skull that the US isn't Europe and never will. Euroboos like you are the worst. Because you think Europeans have something figure out that the US doesn't simply because their towns are old as fuck.

The level of cultural diversity that we had in the medieval ages or further back doesn't not exist anymore, and the continued spread of a homogenous global culture will continue.

The West Europeans started it, and the US will have a big part in setting that global culture.

You can continue wiping and masturbating to these old towns but they are nothing but tourist attractions. They are dead. The future are not these shitty towns, but huge metro areas.

Sorry Euroboo. You lost a long time ago.
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>>79251862
That's without taking into account all of the gas stations, pharmacies, etc. Outside of that yellow ring.
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>>79250417
Extremely excellent posts anon. I too have spent a lot of time thinking and wondering about this sort of thing. Capitalism is just mass focused, nothing of quality is valued just quantity. Since America is almost entirely developed in Capitalist era it's just soulless cultureless mess. The new stuff in Europe is also garbage, but at least they have the heritage and remnants of pre-capitalist civilization. I don't necessarily agree with far right reactionaries, but Evola pretty much hit the nail on the head about modern capitalism and America. Though I'm not a Marxist either. I wish a new economic system would come.

I wish I was born European. Some day I hope to move to a place like Prague, but I'm not super skilled college educated person so there isn't much hope.
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>>79254971
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>>79236683
Finland has suburbs too. Exception is, there are wide biking and walking paths.

Pic related, my town where I grew up.
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>>79249096
Yea I heard the city is popular with French tourists
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>>79257333
How can french ever recover? nice trips btw
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>>79242792
So this is how hell look like, eh?
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>>79249225
>We have plenty
Not as much as you think pretty baby. Americans don't understand how much or little they have, they just consume without thought. You'd be "hell yeah, beer, boats, and buds!" at any level of space or resources.
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>>79250821
>Amerifat
>Triggered
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>>79254738
>US isn't Europe and never will
True. Don't worry, I cry about it sometimes too, Anon.
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>>79236683
Why do yankees hate gardens? They all have those small ugly patches of dirt, but no gardens.
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>>79263893
most suburbs have decent sized yards, the ones that dont have a lower land value, so theyre cheaper
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>>79236683
>reverse image search
>reddit as the source and it's Wuhan China
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what happens to people who don't own cars in the US?
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>>79237618
I wish I was italian
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>>79264031
They live in a city.
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>>79264107
I wish I was Greek.

At least you have a history to look back at.

And Greek is a beautiful language too.
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Because it's disgusting. North Americans should be enraged by it as well
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>>79263972
That explains all that fog.
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>>79237618
Venice isn't a city anymore. It's an outdoor museum that's been taken over by Chinese tourists and African refugees selling bootleg Carnival masks.
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>>79249819
Jesus Christ how horrifying. I honest think I'd rather live in the third world than LA. Oh wait!
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>>79252304
Wuhan china
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>>79249819
Yes.
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>>79253118
I know this exact feel
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NO SHOPS????

HOW WILL I BE ABLE TO SPEND MY MONEY IF SHOPS AREN'T 10 FEET AWAY FROM ME????????
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>>79264717
Enraged by comparative low property costs and safe, white communities?
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>>79249819
those houses next to the highway have lower land value, so in order to sell them they lower the prices, which means you can get a nice house for dirt cheap.
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>>79241159

>tfw stores, bakeries, coffee shops, doctors, schools, parks and almost everything 5-10 minute walk from my house

would just feel weird having to take my car everytime i wanna buy some food or grab a beer with some friends from the neighbourhood
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>>79266080
ay thats not that bad, i dont know why everyone thinks anything more than 5 minutes is more than walking distance, its not like your running a marathon
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>>79236831
everyone has a car in the united states. it's our number 1 mode of transportation. that's largely the reason why we have so many suburbs. transportation is not an issue
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>>79266380
>suburbs are selfish and make everyone feel crowded
>so lets move them into a commieblock
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>>79236683
I live in an area close to here in a similar pocket of lands.
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Whoops, forgot the pic.
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>>79246970
What is the American motor vehicle industry?
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Here's the ultimate redpill.

America is a a multi-ethnic, multi-racial country with no standard expectations as to what it means to be a good neighbor.

If all that separates you from some ghetto black or a Mexican is an apartment wall, you will likely be miserable. Try having Tyrone next door blasting rap until 2 AM when you have work the next day because that bum doesn't understand the concept of having to get up early due to unemployment. And talking doesn't work. Some of these ghetto thugs are so sensitive that they'll want to fight you for simply telling them to turn it down.

I'm not a /pol/tard. But the reality is that suburbanization is popular in America because it's de facto self-segregation in a country where people have nothing in common. Europeans, as your nations become more diverse, you'll soon understand.
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>>79268677
This this this this. So much this
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>>79236683
i dont get it. If you guys keep building suburbs further and further away from the city centre where the amenities are, how long does one even need to drive to lets say a specialist clinic?
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>pls be in orlando
>w-wow we live just beside each other, wanna come over
>sure, I'll be there in 15 minutes
>you could just walk ov-
>WALK? Do you think I'm European or something?

What did they mean by this?
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>>79237516
>tfw you'll never live in comfy English town

Oh no, wait, I can, never mind, packing my bags.
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>>79269112
Orlando takes the worst of modern suburban planning and mixes it with 10,000 lakes
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>>79269327
t. Marcin
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>>79269535
Problem, stroopwaffel?
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>>79236683
>tfw your drunk and cant find your own home because they all look the same
>tfw you can get lost and you drive for an hour and not get out of the maze
>tfw the neighbors are so deep onto the cult conformity, you can get harassed if you change anything visible from the street
>tfw when roaming gangs of stupid white kids key cars and fuck up anything not nailed down
>tfw your pretty sure there are more drugdealers here then in the ghetto
>tfw the guy a street over gets busted for molesting one of the local brats
>tfw your pretty sure the house across from you is a grow op


>tfw your pretty sure its just a pretty ghetto for whites.
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>>79255131
What happens in that spooky marsh named Savilahti?
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>>79248305
It is compromised mainly of large 4 bedroom houses, a few mansions here and there and a large business Park. Not bad if your life revolves around the area, but it's quite far from the city and most interesting parts of Sydney.
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>>79236874
t.melcuck
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>>79236683
This confuses the 'murrican
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>>79236683
why i'm not born there :( . instead i lived through the fucking war and live in a apartmant building. FUCK ALL OF THIS
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>>79242505
Looks like any given burb in Florida. [spoiler]Assuming any exist after this weekend.[/spoiler]
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>>79269328
Hey you gotta artificially inflate real estate prices somehow, now EVERYONE can have water-front property
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>>79270776
Swampy land and hay.
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>>79236683
I just fucking knew it
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>>79268677

Of course we understand, the difference is our lower classes usually belong to the same ethnic group. Try telling whatever chav-like creature to lower the volume and you'll get the same reaction.

There are poor violent neighborhoods in europe too and in smaller countries without much immigration they will have the same kind of people.
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>>79276613
>Switzerland
>lower classes

literally what
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lately even we fell for the meme
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>>79276820
b-beautiful
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>>79276820
how big is the avarage house? One room?
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>>79277668
yeah, with kitchen, bathroom and toilet
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>>79243315
>Cities skylines
I just downloaded Sim City 4. It's a shame how the modern city builder declined.

Sim City 2013 is shit. Just shit.

Cities Skylines is a great game and by many considered to be the true successor to Sim City 4. The problem is that it's a Paradox game, complete with Paradox tier DLC policies.

I'll stick to Sim City 4. Anyone know any good mods?
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>>79236683
I like how all the gardens are withered.
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>>79240707
You can boil water in a pot, you know.
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>>79236907
>ignores the fact that that's all land that could serve a better purpose and the fact that cities are more effecient than suburbs
>muh changs are greedy

This is the absolute state of american """arguments"""
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>>79242694
don't give muhammad anymore ideas.
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>>79236683
It confused and enrages me.
>flying home from Atlanta
>pass over massive expanses of cul de sacs
>literally nothing but suburbs in all directions
On one hand it must be comfy as fuck to grow up there as a kid, but on the other hand it looks ugly as fuck.
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>>79252675
I can tell you're actually American.

Most Europeans don't really care about house size; it's not a status symbol like it is in America.

Sure, if your house is the size of a shed, then you'll probably be sad, but most houses aren't. Most houses are liveable in Europe.
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>>79263972
Yeah, that makes sense. American suburbs don't have the same intricate designs: it's all blocks and lines.
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>his "city" isn't surrounded by hills
pathetic.
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>>79263972
explains the autism
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>>79280936
Oh shut up, most people would prefer to live in a larger house than a smaller one if given the choice. Though there is a turning point where a house gets so big, the extra space is useless and only makes cleaning all the more tedious (extreme example: nobody needs 20 bedrooms and 5 bathrooms).
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>>79236783
Just like a normal European suburb
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>>79237562
How do you even live in Venice? Isn't it a just tourist attraction and overpriced hotels by now?
I live in Berlin and the Tourists are already getting on my nerves.
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>>79282298
Not really. I live in what can be considered a suburb and I have two supermarkets within 5 minute walking distance, and another two in about 15 minute walking distance. Europe has an advantage in this regard because it's old (and I don't mean it in the WE HAVE CULTURE BECAUSE WE HAVE OLD BUILDINGS SENSE). The "groundwork" for our cities is centuries if not millennia old. These cities were meant for ancient, medieval or early modern man and therefore not built with cars in mind, roads were built 'around' the initial man-centric design. In the United States, especially the more West you go (and the newer cities become) this is generally not the case. Many of these cities and especially suburbs (like these >>79249419) are built with cars in mind. If you live there and don't have a car, you're utterly fucked because you can't even do groceries. Cars become a neccessity for the people living there (even if they're relatively poor) to get to megamalls like this >>79249220. I'm not an American, but I imagine the situation is a lot more bearable on the East Coast because it's been inhabited by civilized folk for about 300 years. The model of American style suburbs simply favors car manufacturers, oil refineries et cetera to a ridiculous extent. I can't even imagine needing to step in a car every time I have to do groceries. In fact I don't even own a car because everything I really need on a daily basis is within walking distance, and the train system in the Netherlands is... passable.

If European countries were to suddenly double in size and have loads of unspoilt land, I imagine our governments would be doing the exact same thing as in America.
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commie towns best towns
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>>79283109
agreed, comrade.
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>>79283109
>>79283267
Sad.




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