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And now they're begging - literally BEGGING - for Japan re-militarize.
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Japan tied its own hands anon.
They were only forbidden to have a military when we occupied them.
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Good thing I'm Chinese, hahaha.

Would suck to be a citizen of a once-proud-but-now-neutered nation like Japan.
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>>80174188
And then embedded in their constitution that they couldn't have offensive weapons you donut.
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>>80174188
Ever heard of Article 9?
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Because if Japs get their military back it's pretty possible that they're gonna start flinging shit with Russia, Korea and China for >muh islands and end up nuked again.
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>>80174188
If you mean tied their hands by starting and losing a war then yes. But you guys wrote their constitution that limited their military to defensive weapons only.
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>>80174188
This is not wrong

we could change the constitution anytime if the majority of Japs really want to
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>>80174897
Last poll was i think
25% yes
25% no
50% whatever
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>>80174750

actually, >>80174188 is kinda true.
although the 'forced' article 9 of the constitution is often seen as the embodiment of cucked japan, there's been a strong demand for it in government of japan as well, and, while america came to encourage japan to rearm as early as 1950's to tackle the korean war and cold war, japan rejected it and only founded the self defense force as a product of compromise. since then japan's stance on minimum defense, Yoshida doctrine, hasn't been changed, and whenever america asks japan to raise military budgets, the government dodges it by capitalizing on the fact that america itself drafted the constitution ("hey you wrote that, deal with it"-type argument).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoshida_Doctrine

people think it's pointless to maintain a large military when we are already in the age of nukes (which japan can easily produce, if necessary) anyway and that it would be better off spending the money on healthcare, infrastructure and so on, and, indeed, through that strategy japan came to have the world's longest life expectancy. this is why most japanese don't really hate america, knowing we capitalize on them as well as they capitalize on us.
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Quality > quantity

Chink ships would sink because all their sailors are green and are stupid idiots
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Japan is an extension of the seventh fleet.
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>>80175503
Is that why you're so afraid of them?
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>>80174178
Mhhhh
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>>80174178
Don't worry

Chinese are strong and powerful, but we can fuck them with US and japan and us

So US give us more bloody THAAD
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>>80174178
Go Japan invade on someone who isn't American friend.
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>>80175438
But Japan without Army you are pretty much dead
if someone want to blitzkrieg'd you.
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>>80177777
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>>80177763
>someone
no one will do that though. not to mention they still has america's support anyway and lots of us military tech and personnel on their soil, so any attack on japan (america's ally) would be a suicide for those who attack
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>>80177849
Oil will run out. Before new energy will be found, there are will be some blitzkriegs. Also colour revolutions
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>>80177884
Seriously, it's amazing how few people can see that resource wars are going to be happening not too long from now. Hell, there's already a possible war brewing between Egypt and Ethiopia for water access.

Eurasia is a naturally violent place. Peace has addled too many minds.
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>>80177922
>Eurasia is a naturally violent place. Peace has addled too many minds.
Nukes=fear before extinction.
fear before extension~= Peace
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>>80177989
Oh, I 100% agree with you.
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>>80177849
>>80177884

Are there any Russian forces in Kuril islands?
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>>80174217
Japan is the only reason this site exists, retard.
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>>80178035
There's an army division there. The Russians have to keep some presence there in order to maintain their claim, but Japan could probably just take the islands by force if shit got really serious. Kuril doesn't have anything the Russians need (the main natural resource is oil, which Russia has plenty of), and the Japanese view it as rightful clay.

This is not to say the Russians won't fight for it. It's just that they're probably not going to fight too hard.
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>>80178164
>Japan could probably just take the islands by force if shit got really serious
Japan whould be nuked again if that happens.
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>>80178164

>Japan could probably just take the islands by force if shit got really serious.

Only Jap nationalists say that and they forget that Russian have SSBNs there enough to pulverize Japan. I don't believe the average Japanese gives a shit about it.
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>>80178044
Why. Without Japan you think no one would come up with an idea of no-login-forum? There are shitloads of anonymous mini-forums in the internet, just lesser caliber.
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No point in investing in the military if the current doctrine is "assured mutual destruction".
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>>80178190
Not necessarily. The question Russian leaders would have to ask is if protecting the islands with nukes worth risking a nuclear exchange with China or the US (both very likely). Hell, by the time such a showdown might occur, Japan might be nuclear-armed.

The far east is an afterhought for the Russians. There's a lot more to be gained from Japanese capital and technology transfer than from autistically holding islands.

It'll all come down to how the Russian leadership determines what their priorities are.

>>80178195
Kuril is absolutely vital if the Japanese want to reach some degree of self-sufficiency. The home islands have almost no oil or natural gas which the Japanese need to maintain any sort of long-term conflict. For the Russians, Kuril has very little that they can't get elsewhere. For the Japanese, Kuril could be a lifeline in a crisis.
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>>80178304
or not nuked but get their shit kicked when we transport MLRS to the kurils
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>>80178304
>Not necessarily.
If someone would easily take your clay by force what would stop others to do the same thing?
Deterrence is better defence
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>>80178378
This is an excellent point. However, realistically speaking, Russia can only protect so much clay, and their priorities are on the western periphery where they actually have to worry about invasion. In a perfect situation without any sort of resource or manpower scarcity, Russia absolutely would defend Kuril to the bitter end. In a world where Russia is facing shortfalls in military-aged men due to demographic changes, where they're flanked by the European powers and Turkey on their western frontier, and literally every power in the region has a motivation to push into the Russian core to secure natural resources, Russia cannot afford to get caught up in fighting for some islands in the far east.

The far east can always be retaken later. Losing the European-facing core of Russia is game over for the Russian state. There's no option.
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>>80178536
Losing clay to some shitty country like Japan means losing face.
>Russia is facing shortfalls in military-aged men
Just invite churka cannon fodder lmao
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>>80178536
>However, realistically speaking
Nuclear deterrence is only thing what stopped invaders okay. Even Pakistan knows that, and India too. Even Israel, gosh.
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>>80177763
it's got minimum defenses to deter blizkerieg
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>>80178639
Russia has an out - "we actually agreed to mutual administration of the islands in the interests of peace and mutual prosperity". Done. Japan can get what they need from Kuril and Russia can appear magnanimous.

I assumed Russians knew how this game was played.
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>>80178536
>Russia cannot afford to get caught up in fighting for some islands in the far east.
Dude we did wars even for lesser reasons. Like protect serbs from annihilating and prevent germans to build railroad between Turkey. And you say some Islands lol.
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>>80174778
THIRD TIME'S THE CHARM, KIMMYBOY
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>>80178668
>it's got minimum defenses to deter blizkerieg
Logistik dude. Japan good at fast war, long wars will suck you dry.
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>>80177884
>Oil will run out. Before new energy will be found
not really. russia still has huge amounts of oil in the northern territories but since they are under so much ice it's not that profitable to extract them now. there is also a lot of oil all over the earth.
some countries (like france for example) will stop using gasoline-running cars almost completely starting from 2030.
resource wars are a meme
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>>80178872
>some countries (like france for example) will stop using gasoline-running cars almost completely starting from 2030.
Even if this were true (and I highly doubt they'll be able to meet this goal), you still need oil for long-haul shipping, airplane fuel, rocketry, and manufacturing (both as energy and as industrial inputs for things like paint, plastic, fertilizers, etc)

Although you are right. There is plenty of oil left on Earth. It's just in difficult-to-reach areas (like the Siberian permafrost) or requires high levels of technical expertise to extract (like the shale oil fields in the United States).
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>>80178035
there are russian troops there of course but like this >>80178164 guy said they are mostly for show only, to make it look like they are being guarded and protected. i really doubt that in case of an attack on those islands russia would do much to defend them since it would be extremely costly considering that most important stuff in russia is in the western part of the country. also don't forget about our negative birth rates (again).
at this point kuril islands are basically just a thing that could be given to japan if russian government ever wants to please japs for whatever reason.
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>>80178985
>would do much to defend them since it would be extremely costly
And how did you see this in real life. It would be a revolution, leaders of the countries who can' protect clay is weak, weak=dead.
Also it would like 1918 and 1926 again. Don't undestamate this country please.
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>>80179054
You're confused. The choice for Russia isn't between 'protecting clay' and 'not protecting clay'. The choice is between 'protecting core Russian clay in the west' and 'protecting marginal Russian clay in the east'.

Haven't you ever heard the saying, "The man who chases two rabbits, catches neither."?
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>>80175503
And yet the Philippines shit their pants whenever those "crappy" Chinese ships approach them Spratly islan, then run and hide behind Washington's shins.
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>>80179113
>The man who chases two rabbits, catches neither.
Implying there's any country on the east worthy to defend from
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>>80179177
There's Japan, probably the strongest naval power outside of the United States. In a land war, Russia would prevail without question, but in naval conflicts, Japan's only competition is the United States and maybe China.
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>>80179113
Tsar and his family was killed for a losing in Russo-Japanese war. Some clay still matters.
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>>80179054
no, it wouldn't. there is a huge difference between the western part of this country (where moscow and saint-petersburg are) being attacked and losing a few (almost completely) useless islands in the east.
not to mention that things like that don't happen randomly, there should be some very serious tensions and lots of conflicts preceding it. and by that time russia would already be damaged, at least economically, so protecting those islands won't be a thing.
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>>80179233
he was killed for being a useless, ineffective idiot who couldn't handle such a huge country. the war you mentioned was only a part if the problem, not even the most important one
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>>80179256
Man you telling me real thing, this country not die this easy. History shows that.
There are will be some fight with nukes and just. No one are crazy enough to attack dirrectly nuke powers even America.
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>>80179311
>the war you mentioned was only a part if the problem
Is rogue loser army on the east was a part of the problem for you?
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>>80179233
That was a different era. Russia still had the raw manpower to throw at far east conflicts without hurting their readiness in the west, and it was believed that warm water ports in the far east were viable in the long-term for Russian resource access and power projection.

Fast forward to 2017. Russia has trouble finding enough military-aged men to shore up their army and ports in the far east have been proven to not be feasible for Russia to make use of since they're so far away from the core.
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>>80179427
>Fast forward to 2017.
You talk like it's a 1571 year again and Russia on the verge of the extinction.
However...
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>>80179454
Realistic speaking Russia can destroy world thirty times. What the hell are you talking about?
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>>80179480
Russia *is* on the verge of extinction. You shouldn't confuse a country that's on the verge of extinction with one that's actually dead, but Russia does actually have some very tough choices to make in the not-so-distant future.

I'm optimistic about Russia in the long-term, but right now, it's a mess and risks being swallowed up. Luckily the leadership in Moscow is actually smart and doesn't buy into this 'Russia stronk xaxaxaxa' bullshit. It knows exactly what it has to do to survive.
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>>80179557
Yes you are right, like many times before blin.
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>>80177922
This doesn't get mentioned much, but I hear futurists talking about it more and more. Pakistan will have 400ish million people soon in an area the size of Texas.
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>>80179547
no, it can't. the moment it launches nukes it's being nuked back. russia is basically surrounded by anti-missile systems so it might even be able to actually reach any targets outside of eastern europe and some parts of asia.
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>>80178714
>Japan can get what they need from Kuril and Russia can appear magnanimous.
Not exactly.
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>>80179934
Do even know how modern war can go. First of all no satilaties. Everybody knows about anti air system. That's why we are still living, and not completely annihilated in 90. Only part occupied through.
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>>80179934
How exactly 13000 nukes can't be done a big boom. And what about magic anti missile system are you talking, america risk to invade in on North Korea and Pakistan.
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um sweetie, Japan has an aircraft carrier capable of launching and receiving jets. They just call it a "helicopter carrier" because they're suppressing their power-level. And their much smaller, actually-for-helicopters-helicopter-carriers can field VTOL jets.
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>>80174360
Japanese people ratified the constitution.
You can always change your constitution, dumbass.
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>>80180295
I like this person.
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>>80174178
>diesel submarines
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>>80180050
>>80180206
i don't really understand half of what you are saying but knowing where those systems are doesn't mean they are ineffective. also russian government wouldn't launch nukes anyway since russia moscow including will be nuked back, and no one can be sure who will be destroyed completely first
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>>80179388
wtf do you mean. rewrite it in russian
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>>80178668
Impossible to take these names seriously as of 2017
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>>80174178
China isn't going to invade Japan: it's too important for the world economy for that, and China's too worried about a potential recession leading to riots and civil unrest back home. China wants things to stay as they are now, with them gradually growing in power rather than taking any action that could risk sending palpitations through the world's economy.

Thailand, on the other hand, is much less relevant and far more likely to suffer from Chinese bullying. Prepare yourself, my Thai pal -- it is time for you to return to your Chinese masters once more.
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>>80181274
Why? I think they're lovely and poetic.
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>>80181819
>risk sending palpitations through the world's economy
It's literally too late for that. There will be palpitations in the world's economy shortly simply because the massive post-war boomer generation is coming up for retirement and there's not really a replacement demographic in most developed nations. Why do you think Xi has been aggressively consolidating power at home and playing ball with Trump behind closed doors?




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