Previous thread: >>50283321This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.What are you playing? What are you looking forward to? What have you finished?
i'm at 25% of de-ja after one sesh. it's a nice read but i saw on the walkthrough that 90% of the game is in the starting city instead of doing actual archaeology so that's kinda bummer
Finished 呪殺編 in Shigatsu Youka.I'm pretty damn certain Mika is Haruka. They both have big boobs, imouto, and are good at geography. Plus the green eye.As for the rest of the mystery, I can only guess that the sakura are big servers who slurps up and stores memories and shit from corpses and then resonate with each other because they're clones. They probably also resonate with the past and future too or some shit, which is how Sakura and Natsumi, who have sakura spores in their body, get their predictions. I'm guessing Kotarou was asked by Sakura to prepare a body for her to revive in (Not sure how he got that ability). Natsumi was chosen because she could resonate with the sakura and recieve Sakura's memories/personality.The green eyes are probably from being in contact with the blood from someone who can resonate with the sakura.In fact this whole branching story is probably Mika(Haruka) trying to establish a happy end.Not sure why the big horn sounds happen. Maybe some will in the sakura trying to interfere with reality or something.
>>50325751I meant 死月編
Fgo won Everything else by typemoon lost
Only 43 days left until Avesta releases!
>>50326544Chuunibros we're so back.
>>50326544Doesn't the main heroine get raped in the prologue or something?
>>50326571It's an all-ages game, so I'd guess not? But I haven't actually read it.
>>50325098yk i never been on this board before bc i dont rly use this site but the one time i do someone posts shigatsu. game is fkn haunting me man i think all my friends have played it but im still waiting for the fkn full release (never)
>>50326584The full release was two years ago.
>>50326584It's already fully complete. If you're waiting for the remake it's going to be released slowly in parts and with big changes to the plot.
Is the friendship in Senshinkan anything like in Mahoyo? "I will have badass friends that I can rely on, but let's keep in mind that we have separate lives" type of messaging. Is it that prominent?
Let's try again: let's discuss sakutoki, I'm enjoying it a lot so far (Chapter III) What did you think of it? is it kamige?
Teikan no Eve Bethelhttps://vndb.org/v43113Meteor world actor gaslight bullethttps://vndb.org/v60196Anymore vn to look forward to?
>>50327223Overall It was worse than sakuuta
>>50326544shits not happening at the rate they're going lmfao
>>50327605tsukihime red garden
>>50327610why do you think so?
>>50327223it's kamige yet not kamige. too many things that attracted sakuuta readers aren't all that present and it's all sidestepped into being more info-dumpy. win-lose situation for most as some subscribe to that kinda stuff and others dont.
>>50327701>it's kamige yet not kamigei think that also applies to uta. if it works it works too well but it has too many vulnerabilities. it's not like wa2 which seems almost perfect
>>50327710that's true. i do think that uta has its appeal to a very specific audience though that toki loses out on. uta is a lot more moe than it at least.
>a lot more moethe fuck does that mean
>>50327742not that anon and only played like 20 minutes of toki but i think he means that toki is more like wa2, in that scenes are structured with specific intention and meaning and goal, while in uta most of the characters are just hanging out with each other most of the time
>>50327951precisely.
>>50327953that's interesting. i did get that vibe from my 20 minutes of playtime but i may check it out as someone who wasn't a fan of uta. does anything in toki live up to cathartic kimika imoi ending in terms of feels/romance/sudden bloom of it? or should i go for tsui no sora remake's yasuko
>>50327966>kimika imoi ending in terms of...not in that sense. it depends on what you liked about uta (if anything!) to say if you should give toki any further chances.>or should i go for tsui no sora remake's yasuko100%, yes
>>50327223I'm also on III and enjoying it a lot. It's nice not having the first chunk of the game being shit like in Uta, so I'm just hoping that the upcoming heroine routes aren't Rin-tier.
>>50328106>it depends on what you liked about uta (if anything!)i did like the wa2-esque melancholic monologues a lot, but toki did seem like a more mature work that wouldn't have those. should i try?>100%, yesthank you, i was uncertain, but added on my backlog
>>50327951as part of the very specific audience uta has i personally felt that the sol in had a lot more significance than toki’s . i like that game a lot but it is a pretty big departure from the first, the subtlety at least for me was a lot more toned-downif you try to read it from the perspective of scajerk’s self-mythologizing i think you’ll enjoy it more than myself
>>50328133i say give it a try, then. there's a decent chance you'll find something of value even if not the whole game.
>>50328219thank you, anon
Also has anyone here played 石埜三千穂 and 長岡建造’s Pieta? If so is it worth getting all 4 endings? I kinda called it quits getting the second just because the game keeps pulling the same cards with the plot nd it got a little tiring
I liked the characters and sol in sakuuta more.Makoto in sakutoki was a huge downgrade.
>>50328669her sex scenes were p good though
>>50327223coming from someone that enjoyed sakuuta, it was an utter disappointment
finished amakano 3, what did I think about it?
Wanting to play White Album for the first time, should I go for the 1998 original or the remake?
>>50328865>should I go for the 1998 original or the remakego for the og if you want h scenes. otherwise it depends on which art style you like more. the remake also has an added heroine.
>>50328886>>50328886If these are the only differences I think ill go for the old one.The artstyle is so nostalgic and nice
>>50328954maybe i'm too much of a zoomer or anything but i usually can't imagine preferring the old style unless the new one is deliberately flattened. like how can you prefer the one on the left?
>>50328865the remake is considered the definitive version
>>50328989>soul vs soulless
>>50328995
>>50329003what does ai have to do with anything?actually you know, never mind. concession accepted
>>50328989>I dont understand how you can prefer taisho era tokyo, modern tokyo looks way better!
>>50328989I mean art is subjective no? You don't see this type of style anymore obviously so it just takes me back to times where life was easier. Also I can really feel the love for the characters (in some of these) in the art. It's just charming to me.>>50328990Hm okay.. maybe ill just play this one first and then the remake before moving to 2.
>>50329077SOVLi'd usually agree with you but wa1 is considered such a kusoge that i'm not sure it's worth reading even 1 time
>>50328989https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwhSd-fVi-M
>>50328947Discuss
>>50329121lmfao
>>50329121>no sca_jiyikes
>>50329121>best writersMaeda literally deleted his twitter account after japan shat on one of their works so much he lost contact with all his acquaintances for like 1 week and almost kills himself
>>50328989boobs perkiercolor more saturatedhairmore detailedfeatures sharper
>>50329205Was it Charlotte? he deserves several beatings for churning out that garbage
>>50325098Am I expected to learn japanese, or use ai to translate?
>>50329269do you want to read japanese script or not?
>>50329121>trinity>four people>people outside the first world can't countThe internet really turned for the worst when Indians and zoomers knew how to post.
>>50329121>maedaI still struggle to differentiate how much of his success was his own skills and not just imitating Hisaya.His pre-CLANNAD VN parts are honestly average or below average.Moon story was unnecessarily confusing, same with ONE and his routes were too edgy for a game that was supposed to imitate ToHeart. AIR was him trying into nakige and making an utusge with tragic ending and Minagi's route was too long and barely romantic.It's like he didn't really understand why people read galge and nakige and was throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks. While Hisaya made attractive heroines with pleasant sad stories and simple magical elements. In Clannad I think Maeda finally grasped Hisaya's style and perfected it.
>>50329269you're expected to hang yourself if you do the latter. :)
>>50329269Do you want to read the VN or read AI hallucinations?
>>50329275>>50329296>>50329309I studied Japanese for 2 years but don't have the time to in my current life circumstance. Probably will again eventually. I will respect your dedications and not use a.i but I want to read more vn. Oh well.
>>50329333if there's something untranslated you're really interested in -> jop itif you want to understand japanese -> learn japanesedon't listen to coping luddites, ai already mogs troonslators and it's the worse it'll ever be
>>50329348>jop it*grok it
>>50329348I understand, thank you.
Revealing you MTL is like telling others you are gay and like feet.
>>50329387it means you are smart for not wasting time on learning a dead language for shitty porn games
>>50329406cope
>>50329435meant for >>50329387
>>50329333How can you have the time to read VNs but not have the time to learn Japanese?That's like saying you'd like put out a campfire but you can't because all you have is buckets full of water.
>>50326544>Avestais there porn in it
>>50329472cope
>>50329489Lol
>>50329105esoteric meme link. i appreciated this
hmm wonder how gemini 3 is at japanese
>>50329495meant for >>50329495
>>50329532better than gemini 2.5
>>50329348>jop itjop infamously means "read in english"retard
Why is the kurwa here again?
anybody read this?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZr1vQMCkp0
>>50329486The only free time I have is like night basically and im tired by that point so I cant learn adequately. Things will change eventually and then I can.
Finished 最後の声編 in Shigatsu YoukaLooks like I was right about Mika being Haruka.This 演出 was kino though.
>>50325112for archivesecret color code card for de-ja by elf
>>50328865>>503290771998 has its quirks and the system/engine feels outdated, but yeah, the art is very charming. I enjoyed the game last year. Yuki-chan is very cute, take good care of her. Though the best route was probably Misaki.>>50329083It's not as good as WA2, obviously, but in no way is it a kusoge.
ok, second sesh done. it's readable unlike most of the 80slop and the humor is pretty good. if i was a teen this was my only game i'd probably have a lot of fun
>>50329333and you have enough time to... read shigatsu youka? quit with the faggotry.
>>50330113i didn't want to say this... but yeah....
>>50330117either you're ragebaiting or you're retarded. likely both.
>>50330124>ragebaitingYou have to be over 18 years old to post on 4chan.
>>50330113I never played this game before though. It has only been like 2 months since I stopped studying japanese.過去に毎日日本語を勉強していました
>>50330131guess that's what i get for using hitler's site.
>>50330131guy comes into untranslated (aka jp) vn thread and asks if he shld read chatgpt english and expects ppl in here to just say yes ? has to be baiting
Can someone help me fix this? Ive gotten this on multiple different VNs after reinstalling/applying the crackmy locale, language, and date/time settings are all set to jp, ive tried locale emulator too (w11)
>>50327052Senshinkan was deliberately written to be the most cheesy straightforward shonen power of friendship you've ever read, since Masada was butthurt about those stories being way more popular than his.Ironically, he screwed up at making a parody and he accidentally wrote a really good version of what he was trying to make fun of.
*Jiiiiiii*
>>50330356Senshinkan is the closest I have ever seen a VN get to literally just being Persona 4.
>>5033056411eyes?I guess 11eyes is closer to Persona 3.
>>50330458Why do Japanese feel the need to vocalise their stare?
>>50330209untranslated (aka jp) vns are still untranslated (aka jp) vns even if you use chatgpt.get off your high horse
>>50328989I think in this particular case right looks better but there's also a lot of cases where older is better.Look at YU-NO for example.
https://www.lune-soft.jp/news/30318https://www.lune-soft.jp/news/30313New Lune games.Sukebe elf short sequel and a Minamoto NTRge as expected. The minamoto one comes out next month.
>>50331098and we have our right to shit on mtlfags
>>50330244Maybe Windows defender is swallowing the crack whole or some shit?
>>50331098not how it works eop
>>50331480>This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.
>>50331137they fumbled yuno remake pretty bad
>>50331488>Machine translation
>>50331806what about it?
>>50331480>>50331806hide trolls
>xitter locations are now revealedbwos, now everybody on JOPxitter will know i'm from india...
>>50331901hiding won't make llms go away lil bro
>>50332044we don't even use vndb here blud
What the fuck is this bullshit, I was ready for revenge kino but I got this instead.
>>50332175>wei'm pretty sure that's just you
>>50332044I unironically deleted my account so fast. Not from India, but people would make fun of my location.
>>50332202I'm from West Asia so I'll pretend to be Israeli to troll people.
>>50332202>but people would make fun of my locationRussia?
>>50332229probably a seamonkey
>>50332337subasister...
>>50331869>translation
>>50332044My flag is such a rareflag that if they ever enabled flags on /jp/ it would be the equivalent of having a perma tripcode here
>>50332475what about it?
>>50331098wtf ru talking about? why ru trying to bend the meaning of “UN-(negative prefix) Translated (noun being rendered negative by the prefix) (aka Not Translated - MTL = Translation) to place yourself on a high horse? lmao
>>50332202i guess bulgaria
>>50332646is manosaba translated or not?
>>50332661i dont know i don’t keep up with translations anymore
>>50332728then you shouldn't talk about what can and can't be discussed here
>>50332794This thread is for the discussion of untranslated Japanese visual novels.
>>50332812like manosaba?
is Fata Morgana truly better translated? hilarious if that's the case. VN about troons is also better in another language.
>>50332815Like any visual novel that's read in Japanese?
>>50332819>that's read in Japanesethat's not what untranslated means
>>50332822that's what it means to read VNs untranslated. go back to india
>>50332827>go back to indiai'm not the one who has trouble understanding basic english vocabs sir
>hey untranslated thread, is the translation good?
>>50332856i thought it was funny that the troon vinnie was also better translated and shared it with my comrades. problem?
>>50332856mtl doesn't count as translation tho
>>50326571no thats dies entelechia
What's the best love story in a moege?
>>50332996none
>>50332996愛してる you/your hand
My hand had sex with others though...
>>50333147I want your hand to be my girlfriend.
If someone would be able to answer this, it's you guys. Has there ever been an underwear-themed VN? VN with lots of tachie underwear variation or scenes involving bra/pantsu fetish play. I hope you can help me with this
>>50334087This is the only one I know that may or may not focus in want you wanthttps://vndb.org/v50148
>deletes a correctly tagged post to post a wrongly tagged identical one
>>50331192>Sukebe elf short sequelAfter a fucking decade?I'm not complaining, but why? Misoono Mei just happened to be around the office?
>>50329269
>>50329269indians are expected to leave
>>50335490wtf is wrong w u? u can fk of
>>50335545calm down saar, dont forget the needful
Kakaka imagine learning japanese in the age of AI. What a loser!
I'm doing it for my JOPfu, you wouldn't understand.
Saars don't know the beauty of Japanese, they only know the beauty of the last turd they dropped in the Ganges river.
>page 10Are we going to end up like the LN general?
shouldn't have bullied mtlGODs
Bocchi?! You cant say that!
i'm and esl, ok. so i will concede. that said, "untranslated" vn general sounds like vs that "don't have a translation", not vns that "are read without translation".
>>50338878point is, unless /vn/ enforced the "translated vns only" rule, there's no real reason for this general to exist
>>50338878>>50338885We should categorise eroge discussion into 6 visual novel generals. It would be a highly optimised and efficient way to talk about eroge, and no one would be confused on how to talk about games.>/vg/ for translated games read in English>this one for untranslated games but for people to read with translation tools (yes, it's different. see: i can twist the purpose of the general because i'm retarded) ((NO, you CAN'T play these in the translated thread)>a different one for already translated games that we read untranslated (there is a point)>a whole different one for untranslated games that are read untranslated>another different one for untranslated games that are getting a translation>and another one for people who want to ask about translations (this is different from vnts; we blogpost visual novels in here)
Let's be honest with ourselves: we all view mtlcucks as subhumans that should be bullied into suicide unless they learn japanese.
Could your VN cast survive Swan Song's earthquake? @_@I can imagine the Angel Beats! 1st Beat cast going through it with ease~ Yurippe will pretty much do what she did when she started the SSS... her otherworldly charisma will make every character follow her, and she will make the same rules that prevented them from going crazy in the AB! world @@ but she didn't create those rules without some time passing and her growing more as a leader... So I think at first, she will be trigger-happy a little bit, and she will cause a couple of massacres ... but Hinata being there next to her will be the rope that will stop her from turning into a crazed leader... after that phase passes? it will be easy sails of her recruiting everyone and making the perfect operation to survive V-V not to mention how in the AB!-verse, characters can be OP @@ Shiina is a master in combat that used to take armies on alone... guns and sheeit? Chaa had a John Wick past~ and am sure unc still got it V-V Naoi-chan got his hypnosis... he might be the first true EVIL we need to take on first, but he will come around and be super useful~ Otonashi will be there for him... I think this is the best use of him @_@ Angel... Kanade-chan will not be doing anything big, but that is just like the rest of the characters... they can still be useful in their own ways V-V some of them were sick in their life... but if I consider that this whole plot is at a certain point where all of them were still healthy? it might be only one (2nd one can manage) character who needs the rest to take care of them... this will make this hard to watch and wholesome at the same time... ok, thinking about all of this, now I want to write an Angel Beats! x Swan Song story T_____T but I can never give them the rightful treatment... So I will not disgrace them with an amateurish work T-T
>>50338964bro there's not enough people for that. you either>split based on the translation status onlykinda like now, but ban untranslated vn discussion from /vn/ (long-term impossible since mtl is getting real good), this way this general has a reason to exist>split based on the userbaseone thread for jop (aka who read in jp regardless of tl status) and one for eops/mtls. again, kinda like now, and as long as /vn/ doesn't ban untranslated vns discussions then mtlsirs should be contained there. though in this case it would be better to make this more clear from the op>remove the language barrier completeforget this general, but ideally split /vn/ in plotkino and moeshit, regardless of language/translation status
>>50338878Just change the text in the OP to "This thread is for the discussion of Japanese visual novels read untranslated in Japanese" for the autismos that can't understand implications. People obviously read and post about VNs that have translations here. The point is that you read them untranslated (i.e. in Japanese).
>>50339003yeah, that's the thing that makes most sense. but again, "untranslated" also means that it "has no translation available".but still, unless you are specifically want to talk about prose, there's nothing stopping you from blogposting jopkino on /vn/
>>50338878When this general was made there werent AI translations and MTL was pure fucking gibberish, so the untranslated VN thread discussing untranslated VNs meant that people knew how to read them since there was no other wayMaybe we should do as >>50339003 says and add that little description to the OP from now on
>/jop/ general>/eop/ generalsimple as
>>50339071doesn't work when this thread has a resident retard who thinks reading mtl counts as being a jop
>>50339078he thinks "untranslated" includes mtl
Anyone here read Ikikoi? How is it?
>>50338842i only jop on monday/tuesday
>>50339081Ikikoi is THE best eroge I have read in my life.The pacing, the characters, the plot, the humor and the romance are all perfect. You will never find a girl more wonderful than the many heroines found in Ikikoi.Written by Sca-Ji himself, this tops Subarashiki Hibi and every other "plot"-focused eroge on every level. The story doesn't mess around, it introduces you to each girl and then sends you straight into a short but hilarious prologue before allowing you to choose a girl to romance shortly after.Did I mention the girls were fantastic? Not one of them is sub-par and the art has been beautifully crafted by the master of moe: Karory. Tane is guaranteed to warm your heart in a way it has never been warmed before, while Eika will surpass your expectations of what the best tsundere every made could possibly be. Ryou will pierce your soul with her cold gaze only to lovingly nurse it back to health, and Tsumugu will leave you wondering how a maid can be so absolutely perfect in every way. When you hear "Kawashima Rino", you can forget about Yuki because Tsumugu is the character you will never forget for your entire life. The main character Chouji as well is a character you will never forget, as through his charming dialogue and cool expressions you can truly see why every girl love shim as much as they do.Ikikoi is more than just a "moege", it is the heart and soul of what makes eroge great. Nothing will ever surpass Ikikoi in terms of sheer perfection.It is the exodia of the kamiges. Every kamige was created just to prepare you to read Ikikoi.
>>50339095>6.71 average (rank 6664)
>>50339071>untranslated eroge general>/vn/ aka translated and MTLjeetge
>>50338964>a different one for already translated games that we read untranslatedi have no clue whats translated or whats not and dont give a shit either way. this threads for reading in japanesebtw just finished manosaba. its kino finally some good stuff this year. good twitter fanart and discussion too
Am a partial JOP~ (can only understand the voice acted texts, can't read moonrunes)
So you're an eop who magically "learned spoken japanese" by listening to subbed anime? Please teach me where to get this power. This is the same dude on reddit who said TakaJun was a good translator because he listened to swan song dialog and "could tell it was a faithful translation". What the fuck has this thread become since the hack.
to be fair to mr partial i do know ppl that have ok japanese not like great but just ok from subbed anime looking up song lyrics etc and they can type out full stuff all in romajitho theyve been watching like nothing but anime since like the age of 10 so
"mr partial" is just /vn/'s schizo nonsense leaking again, pay it no mind
Im actually Mr.Ethical.
>>50331137I dunno if I'm tripping myself out, but PC98 stuff used to look a lot cooler and fresher 10 years ago. Back then I thought original yu-no looked amazing, now it's not as impressive
>>50340161still looks good to me
>>50340175>upscaled>ai filter
>>50340177>640x400>upscaledretard alert
>>50340175It looks good but the "wow" factor it used to have is gone. Same is true for most 90s games now sadly
>>50340266I think it's just a (You) problem.I just recently changed my configuration so I could play them at 2x scale, and I definitely got hit with that "wow" when I saw them fill my screen for the first time.
>>50342388>no crt shaderyou didn't play the game
>>50342390I'm open to suggestions.I'm playing on a very old PC though, so I can't use anything fancy.
>>50342390>>>shader>not on an actual CRTWhat are you poor?
>>50342507>actual crt>not 4k oled 144hz monitor with HDR crt emulationwhat are you poor?
Is there any rape in Dokyuusei 2? Kinda got that vibe with the whole stalker thing. Like, do bad things happen to the heroine l if I don't go her route?
>>50342515>not bothYou are poor lol
anyone happen to have https://vndb.org/r69220 couldn't find it on sukebei and the links on a-s are dead
>>50342707If you don't need the renewal version specifically; there's a copy of the game here:>https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2307822
>>50342517>Is there any rape in Dokyuusei 2?Yes. Only by the protagonist, though.>Like, do bad things happen to the heroine l if I don't go her route?You don't see the events of anyone you don't meet up with. So no, the game doesn't guilt trip you in that way particularly.
I always love when the main heroine dies if I dont pick her route.
>>50342851I have that pack already but it doesn't seem like it has a crack for the original vn. I saw that the renewal version uses kirkiri and figured I'd have better luck running it - was also curious if there's anything different between the original and renewal
How's Okashina Monogatari? I've had it on the backlog for a little while now but keep only reading the first bit then getting distracted by other things.
heh
>>50345741I really wish this guy's VNs were better. I want to like them more, but they're just okay.
>>50345753They're straight (hah) and to the point and lets you take care of business quickly. I can appreciate that it's mostly solid even if no scene is particularly mindblowing. Good thing they switched to a new artist because for some reason their old one fell off a cliff. The 転生した世界 series CGs look so bad that I'm probably not going to even bother with those.
>>50345741those are children
>>50346031They're men, actually.
Is shuten order good?https://vndb.org/v56364/reviews#review
>>50346526just play it bro, nobody here is that interested in kodaka stuff especially after hundred line was such a quantity over quality game. though it had a few routes that were pretty good if you're into the theme. i have a feeling kodaka can't succeed outside danganronpa
>>50346526looks peak mid timewaster
>>50346526looks ultra zoomercore but if you like that stuff, im sure itll be kino 4u lil bro
I started reading manosaba this weekend, though I'm not very far in it yet. Does it have story branches other than the bad ends?
>>50347850Nope
>>50347852Thanks anon. It's been probably a year since I played a vn, and I know it's pretty easy, but it's cool that I can do it now without much of any struggle.
Does anyone have the Sakutoki novel? Archive links are dead
Is Mitsuki route the only good part of Kiminozo? Should I just do that and leave the others?
>>50348395>Should I just do that and leave the others?what's your goal?
>>50348412I'm looking for well-written romance drama. There are other games with heroines more my style, so this isn’t the kind of title where I feel compelled to play all routes. But I'll also definitely do the greenhead yandere.
>>50348395I personally feel like you should at least do the main three (Mitsuki, Haruka, and Akane) if you're even going to bother but it's up to you.
That's a hefty schedule.
Finally finished first route of latest yuzuslop. It only took me 2 months. To think that 15 years ago it took me 2 days at most for one route.
>>50327605I watched the OP and I'm getting such 11eyes vibes from the first one.
>>50349131Ena my beloved
>>50349131>shirtsame
Looks like this is where it all ends. ... and begins...
Should I play the Ichigo Marshmallow game? Pretty slim pickings for loli fans.
>>50349306>slim pickings for loli fansI have at least 45 in my backlog
>>50349306If you'd like to play a good """"""all ages"""""" game with a cute loli in it, try Quiz Nanairo Dreams.Play the arcade version and go in blind for a fun surprise.
>>50349297I'm on that chapter too.Expecting the percentage to go past 100.
>>50338842What happened to the LN general?
>>50346526I literally haven't seen anyone play it, but as >>50346723 said after Hundred Line I'm not going to be the first one to try it out.
>>50348123theres a novel?
>>50349987Yeah, apparently it has some important stuff about Rin and Shizuku that scaji couldn't fit into the game.
>>50350010shit, I need to read that then
at what point or after how many vns/time does the reading process become more "passive" in the sense that you can just mostly enjoy and read and not have to force yourself to understand everything and look up a bunch of words?
>>50350123obviously depends due to all of us having different brains but for me it was like this:>read like 10 VNs with the VNR Furigana overlay>start wanting to read a vita VN, buy the game (emulation was ass)>realize that I'm already at the point where I only need to look up rare stuff or regional slang and having instant access to easy lookups was just making my brain treat every VN like a school test rather than relaxing literature>never go back
>>50350142so 10 vns for you, how long did that take and how much of a grind was it?
>>50350146I don't know, 1-2 years I think. I was unemployed but I also kept getting addicted to random video games so I wasn't reading every day.what I do remember vividly is getting actual pounding headaches from my first VN if I read for too long
>>50350123>and not have to force yourself to understand everything and look up a bunch of words?You don't have to look up every word. If the meaning is obvious then just skip it and keep reading
>>50350123once to decide to start enjoying reading (no lookups) and then do so for ~100 hours. comprehension will vary based on your previous vocab/kanji knowledge (and it won't improve), but you brain will switch to the "holistic sentence understanding" mode, which is very comfy and you shouldn't get burnouts. the more you do so the easier it gets, but you still have to dedicate time to looking stuff up otherwise you won't acquire anything new (especially a problem with unvoiced vns where you'll keep whitenoising reading even if you get the gist of the vocab)
>>503501235 or a dozen, I guess.
>>50350497where is rape option?
>>50350502sawaru is non-consensual
>金 銀 パール プレゼントhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCscXrYDxzA
>>50350069need it?its also a subahibi and tsui no sora novel, mind you.
Does anyone know how to use furigana overlay?
bro...
>>50350620nta but could you upload it?
>>50350620yes, I need it
>>50350751>>50350723https://mega.nz/file/SR8h2RCB#8bDjEIrFLPF-1cMVS9Sdqw7XLGORnWNy5CmetLnh0ZI
>>50351082Thank you
>>50350123It's a gradual process, so it's hard to demarcate. It gets a tiny bit easier every day. It also depends a great deal on how challenging the material you're reading is. A Pokemon game with furigana, you could probably manage in a matter of months. Classical literature like Genji Monogatari is challenging even to natives and I have no shame in admitting I struggle with it even after ten years of reading practice.If I recall correctly, I think shounen manga started to feel if not easy, then "Normal" for me after about a year, adult manga after two, and most eroge after three. Of course, the more practice you get, the faster you'll improve, so if you read a whole lot I'm sure you could beat those times.If you already haven't started, then after your first year or so of studying, I'd recommend mixing in some less challenging reading with minimal or no dictionary usage to get some experience reading without overly relying on your dictionary. Looking up words is always the best for learning, but you'll enjoy your reading a lot more if you wean yourself off it, and you can make up somewhat for the lowered efficiency by simply reading more (which you'll want to do, because you'll be having more fun).
>>50351252>I'd recommend mixing in some less challenging reading with minimal or no dictionary usagei think this is the trick. if you are in mood for active studying then look up everything and acquire stuff, otherwise read something easier than you can breeze through, even if sacrificing some comprehension.
>>50351082wow, it's real, bless you anon-kun. I would guess that I have to read the vn novels for that to make sense so I better finish sakutoki quickly
>>50351082Thanks anon
>>50351252>Classical literature like Genji MonogatariWell yeah it's literally in a different language. I don't even thing that one is technically classical Japanese but something even older. Just read a modern Japanese translation for that one.
>>50351082Thanks bro.
>>50350123It's an average of 12 VNs for most people within 2 years where 1 year in is where it actually feels like it gets easier. If you aren't a NEET who can read all day, it will take longer. Just read whatever is most interesting, don't compare yourself to others and just remember your age actually doesn't count when many people, regardless of their background, failed because of endless excuses.
>>50350123I translated a really short nukige and it was like training in the hyperbolic time chamber for my reading/comprehension. I went from reading at a first grade level to reading at a sixth grade level. By that point I could read and understand most non-technical dialogue at the speed of which I can with my native language. Before translating I had been reading for about a year. About 2 years on now--I still use a texthook+yomichan so I don't have to spend too much time looking up a word but there are times where I forget to even enable the clipboard inserter because I just start reading and forget everything else. Sometimes I don't even read and just listen to the characters speak.
>>50351539>He doesn't read Genji Monogatari off of his copy of the original scrolls he stole from a museumExcuse me sir, I think you have the wrong thread.>>50342460/sI was talking about the modern renditions; I need to read sentences multiple times and look up words regularly to feel I've comprehended it.I still have very little experience with formal literature in Japanese, but I've found what I've read quite pleasant despite the disappointing if unsurprising lack of bakunyuu JKs.
>>50351679by translate you mean actually rewriting the whole thing in english?
>>50351733A lot of it is just because of the setting so it talks about a bunch of old shit nobody is familiar with in the modern age so you have to research it. I read about a 1/3rd of it and got bored and dropped it though. Maybe one day I'll pick up again dunno.
>>50351756I extracted the script into a spreadsheet, went line by line rewriting the Japanese into English as I understood it at the time, inserted the English lines into the script and released the patch on /vn/. I think translation forces you to look at Japanese with a more critical/inquisitive eye than you otherwise would just reading normally--at least if your intention is as faithful a translation as possible. Really glad I did it though I regret not running spellcheck on the spreadsheet before releasing the patch
I accidentally fixed report 23 in Shigatsu Youka before reading the scribbles on it.Anything important I missed?
What VNs have melancholic monologue like WA2?
>>50351539Genji Monogatari is typical 古文 taught in Japanese schools. You might have mixed it up with 万葉集 which has older 上代語 from the Nara period and quite literally undecipherable in some places. In fact, the Classical Japanese in Genji Monogatari is quite readable compared to something like Old English if you don't get mixed up by the copious usage of archaic keigo. For example, a random sentence in Kiritsubo:>その夜、大臣の御里に、源氏の君まかでさせたまふ。作法世にめづらしきまで、もてかしづききこえたまへり。Only two words that are not in Modern Japanese are まかづ and もてかしづく。まかづ is old keigo for "go" and もてかしづく is close in meaning to もてなす。Not entirely comprehensible to an untrained person, but also not an entirely different language like the English in Beowulf, which is closer to German than Modern English. Not really any reason to read a modern translation unless you need to know what happens in the story for some purpose, but then you might as well just read the English translation. If you want to read it without being completely blind I'd recommend choosing a critical edition with philological notes and translation on the side.
>>50352090>reading the scribbles on it.That wasn't in the old version so I assume it's probably minor flavour stuff and not anything critical
>>50352221The cult being used by Unume seems pretty important. He hasn't shown up at all in the main story yet though.
>>50352213Huh really. I was under the impression that Classical Japanese was after the Heian period. I never really tried to seriously read something in classical Japanese. Haven't come across anything I was super interested in.
>>50352656It really depends on what you mean by "Classical Japanese." The language of the Nara period, the language of the Heian period, and the written language based on the latter that was used up until the Meiji era, is all called 古文 i.e. "Classical Japanese." I guess you could divide them into periods, but that's not any different from dividing Latin into Classical Latin, Medieval Latin, etc. They're all still Latin.Now this discussion has made realize how confusing the word "Classical Japanese" is. It should probably be called "Literary Japanese" or something instead.
75% of dejathere's a LOT of repetitive dialogue, and tons of filler preventing the story from progressingthe honeymoon phase is over...
>>50352213I have nothing but respect for people who choose to approach the original text, but my perspective (although I think I am much less informed on the subject than you seem to be) is that there's a lot of merit and a lot to be learned from immersing yourself in these historical works of literature as best as you can. For some people that's an English translation and for some that's a transcript of the original, and I'm sure for someone out there that's reading the calligraphy off a thousand-year-old copy in a museum. At my current skill level it's reading the modern renditions and anything beyond that makes my brain feel like a hamburger being flipped over and over again on a grill at best and hopelessly lost at worst.I think you're probably correct that an annotated edition with the original text and a modern Japanese rendition side-by-side is the overall best way to go about reading it, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with reading just the modern rendition first and then later advancing to that kind of critical edition upon rereading the book. Although perhaps my opinion on that will develop more as I gain more experience with classical Japanese literature.
>>50353403yeah in old clicker games its roughi recommend the nooch trilogy if you like the archaeology theme but its probably even worse there
wrong text colour bro
>>50348872Congrats, Anon. I am not even done with common route yet. What was your impression of the route that you did? I am on Chapter 5 and I would say the first few chapters were much better than the stuff now, but I’m hoping it gets better as it goes along.
>>50354218>the archaeology themthere wasn't any archaeology yet, it's just a normal thriller/mystery adv with a 考古学者 mc
egs down for anyone else? I cant access it anymore.
>>50355151It works. Your IP got blocked
>>50355151That site sometimes work and sometime doesn't
>>50355151Use a VPN.
>>50354640I liked Ririko, route was okayish. I guess I'm just not that interested in bands which bodes badly for reading the rest of the game.
>>50351082And here I was gonna act hardcore about having it. But thanks for the scan, it's easier to archive than the physical book.
Is Nijuuei cartelshit?
>>50356612No? But I already read it in 2016. Its prety good.
>>50356364I see, that makes sense. I am in a bind since I like all the heroines so I am having trouble choosing. I might just make all the positive choices and see who I end up with. I also wasn’t super keen on bands either but I think the game does a reasonable job making band life relatable. I did also like Kira Kira so maybe I actually like band games.Can you give more reasons why you thought Ririkos route was okayish?
Come on, how do you make such a sexy design and only use it as a mascot instead of an actual character in the game you're making?
>>50325098Also started on shigatsu, currently about 13% completion.So far it's good but it kind of feels solved already. Does the actual story take the full 100%? It feels like I'm already nearing the end.Just don't want to get my hopes up for a super deep story if it's actually not that length to complete after all.
why is everyone playing shigatsu youka now? i mean the game was good but not THAT good
>>50357118>Does the actual story take the full 100%?Yes, there's way more to the mystery than just what you get from the starting arc.
>>50357131a little bird told that it's getting grokked right as we speak so everybody is rushing to read it before eops taint it forever
>>50357159*c*ops already tainted it forever, the game is more popular in china than it is in japan
>>50357118it does seem that way for quite a bit but it's incredibly complicated. i'm very far in and i'm still untangling cords
>>50357133>>50357237Okay very good would have been boring if (almost) all that was left was who's the culprit
>Start playing VN>take a look at the route walkthrough for the girl I'm interested in>oh it's a locked route? That's okay, I'll download a 100% save file>restart game choosing all her choices>scene with a different heroine>sudden h-scene>... aaaaaAaaaaAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHhh!!! FUCKING HELL!>close my eyes and turn on all text skipImmersion fucking ruined, all of my happiness and hope fucking scattered into the fucking dirt just because some retard VN dev unneccesarily forced 1 of 6 heroines as a locked route FOR NOT FUCKING REASON WHATSOEVER and the fucking save file didn't apply properly. I wait for weeks on end until I'm on holiday from work, I anticipate the happiness and romance I'm about to experience playing a VN and choosing the girl I've fallen in love with. And I'm fucking cucked in the end after all of that. God I FUCKING HATE VN developers. Kill yourselves! Fucking mutilate your chinchins you cocksucking retards! Go to hell!
>>50357307what game
>>50357309Ren no Koi
>>50357309I was going for Sakushiba Kyara's route btw. Ren can fgo fuck herself, don't fucking force me to fall in love with a heroine from the start, I don't care if she gets raped and killed in a back alley, I only love the girl I fall in love with myself, not what the retarded scenario writer tries to force on me. Btw Ren does get groped by a stranger in the common route.
>>50356829t-tummy...
>>50356829what ge?
>>50357330Look at the text instead of the belly.
>>50357340Teikan no Eve Bethel?
>>50357330>>50357348Yeah Eve, except she's not a character in the game and just a mascot they're using to introduce the game through twitter posts
>>50357307Not to downplay your indignant fury, but if you knew getting wrong routed would get you this upset, and you already had a walkthrough, wouldn't it have been better to just skip through the other routes and unlock the route you were interested in manually?
>>50356829Her design doesnt fit Eve Bethel worldview
>>50357464I rarely ever have issues with save files, I suspect this one was made by editing the code and not someone else actually playing through the whole game which is why it fucked up.
>>50357464>>50357501Also I have a personal ritual where I don't like to touch any part of another girl's route because it feels like cheating on my true love. If someone else makes the save file then the karma doesn't fall on me.
>>50356829bets on this game getting delayed again?
>>50357576100%
it says on vndb that unkoman is voiced in sumaga but it seems like one of those unvoiced protagonist type deals. can anybody who's read this confirm that he's unvoiced for the entire VN?
>流星ワールドアクター Gaslight BulletKinugasa is still kicking. I think it was 2023 when that gacha garbage Strange World EoS'd.
>>50359032He's voiced later on in the game.
Do the Memoff games have any fantasy elements?
Every VN I've played lately has been absolute shit, I've played all the good ones already
>>50359361Now you are free
>>50359391I don't want to be free, I've never experienced any love except for from VNs and I want to keep experiencing it.
>>50359361skill issue
>>50359361try reading doujin vn
>>50359455How do I search for them?
>>50359361have you readRance X -Kessen-Muv-Luv AlternativeUmineko no Naku Koro ni ChiruSoukou Akki MuramasaWHITE ALBUM2OoeShigatsu YoukaMonmusu Quest! Paradox RPG ShuushouSTEINS;GATEUmineko no Naku Koro niSubarashiki Hibi ~Furenzoku Sonzai~Fata Morgana no YakataUtawarerumono: Futari no HakuoroSakura no Uta -Sakura no Mori no Ue o Mau-Sakura no Toki -Sakura no Mori no Shita o Ayumu-Sakura, Moyu. -as the Night's, Reincarnation-Tobira no Densetsu ~Kaze no Tsubasa~Shingakkou -Noli me tangere-Taishou Mebiusline Teito BibourokuKintoukaLuckydog1+bad eggTokyo Satsujinki Gakkou no KaidanFate/stay nightHigurashi no Naku Koro niCLANNADLittle Busters!Ever17 -the out of infinity-RewriteHigurashi no Naku Koro ni KaiSummer PocketsMahoutsukai no YoruDies irae ~Acta est Fabula~Fata Morgana no Yakata -Another Episodes-BALDR SKY Dive2 "RECORDARE"Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon-Hakuchuumu no AojashinAo no Kanata no Four Rhythm - EXTRA2Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 -Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Kakugo-Kara no Shoujo - The Last EpisodeHentai PrisonSilver Jiken 25 KuSekai Metsubou Kyouyuu Gensou MAMIYA - DoomsDay DreamsGalleria no Chika Meikyuu to Majo no RyodanKitto, Sumiwataru Asairo Yori mo,Ore-tachi ni Tsubasa wa NaiMama×Holic ~Miwaku no Mama to Ama Ama Kankei~Amakano 2+Saihate no ImaBLACK SHEEP TOWNSakura Taisen 3 ~Paris wa Moeteiru ka~Kyojin-tachiMy Merry MaybeSlow DamageKoshotengai no HashihimeShuuen no Virche -ErroR:salvation-Jack JeanneKen ga KimiTaishou MebiuslineBlackish HouseClub Suicidelesson??? if not then you are coping and looking for attention
>>50359489Have you considered suicide, spammer?
>>50359504have you consider asking chatgpt what spamming means?
>>50359489>random gayge>Blackish House>not naming other otome or any doujingeDid you play anything besides pulling shit out of your ass?
>>50359535you should ask >>50359361 not me, he's the one crying about not having any good vns left to read
>>50359536He is a spammer tard, obviously from the reaction image. You're also a ingenious faggot for not playing everything on that list either.
>>50359538>You're also a ingenious faggot for not playing everything on that list either.i'm not the one crying about not having any good vns left to read
>>50359540Faggot parroting twitterfag opinions and actually never playing them, what a sad existence.
>>50359542it's not twitterfag opinions, it's from vndb. and i'm playing them. in fact, i have a lot of great vns to look forward to, unlike some other "sad existence" that refuses to play good games yet crying about kusoge being shit
>>50359548nigga copied popularity votes instead of being genuine with his recommendations he actually fully enjoyed and gave commentary on
>>50359558tons of people gave their own genuine recommendations on those games and fully enjoyed them
>>50359489>RanceNot really interested in it>Muv Luv AltNot yet, I'm only interested in one of the heroines, playing such a long VN just for one girl is likely to lead me to getting borfed and dropping it half way>UminegroI don't play overly hyped VNs, If everyone loves it it's because it's slop that appeals to the lowest common demoniator>MuramasaSame as above, And I don't really care for its genre>White AlbumSame with Muv Luv, but I muight try it at some point>OOEWhere are the girls? I'm not a fag>Shigatsu YoukaAll ages>MGSOne of the first VNs I played>Steins gateSlop and no interesting heroines>SubarashikiAgain I don't play shit that gets shilled by everyone, and I'm already initiated into philosophical thought, so baby's first philosophical VN doesnt have anything to gve me>FateI've never realy cared for fate>Sakura no utaSee Subarashiki above>Sakura, MoyuIt's on my list, might play it next year>Tobira no Densetsu ~Kaze no Tsubasa~All ages>Shingakkou -Noli me tangere->Taishou Mebiusline Teito Bibouroku>Kintouka>Luckydog1+bad egg>Tokyo Satsujinki Gakkou no KaidanI'm not gay>Higurashi no Naku Koro niShit>CLANNADPlayed it a long time ago, dropped it>Little Busters!Loved it, Nishizono Mio influenced me into reading real books when I was in college>Ever17 -the out of infinity-All ages, heroines don't interest me>RewriteOn my list, but not sure if I'll ever get to it because all ages>Summer PocketsAlso on the list for the same reason above>Mahoutsukai no YoruAll ages>Dies iraeNot interested in the genre>BALDR SKYI head something bad about this VN so I pulled it from my backlog, can't remember what it was.>Tsukihime -A piece of blue glass moon-Have it on my backlog but the heroines don't interest me enough to play it yet>Hakuchuumu no AojashinPlanning on playing it some time>Ao no Kanata no Four Rhythm - EXTRA2Played, I was only interested in Mashiro>Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2 -Naruhodou Ryuunosuke no Kakugo-All ages>Kara no Shoujo - The Last EpisodeVN is too painful, I can't save the girl I like at the expense of others, seeing their brutal deaths makes me feel too depressed.>Hentai PrisonLooks like shit>Silver Jiken 25 Ku>Sekai Metsubou Kyouyuu Gensou MAMIYA - DoomsDay DreamsI'm not gay>Galleria no Chika Meikyuu to Majo no RyodanAll ages>Kitto, Sumiwataru Asairo Yori mo,On my list, I have high expectations for this, if it's bad I'll be depressed>Ore-tachi ni Tsubasa wa NaiOn my list but Navel visuals look like shit, 100% sameface>Mama×Holic ~Miwaku no Mama to Ama Ama Kankei~I played PurexHolic and it was dogshit, I don't like harem VNs where you fuck every single heroine, I'm a pure puritychad>Amakano 2+Played, it was good to nut to, but Amakano VNs are never the best>Saihate no ImaI'm sure I had this on my backlog but I can't find it, why did I remove it? I'm interested in Saya or Ima>BLACK SHEEP TOWN>Sakura Taisen 3 ~Paris wa Moeteiru ka~>Kyojin-tachi>My Merry MaybeAll ages>Slow Damage>Koshotengai no Hashihime>Shuuen no Virche -ErroR:salvation->Jack Jeanne>Ken ga Kimi>Taishou Mebiusline>Blackish House>Club Suicide>lessonI'm not gayThe fact that half your recommendations are fagshit does not give me hope for your taste in VNs and that the ones I do have an interest in will actually be any good.
>>50359573but not yours apparently. I would never recommend otome/BL to some random person on eroge general unless they're actively seeking them. You are fucking delusional to think otherwise.
>>50359577makes sense, your opinion is valid and well respected. in that case, check something from the lower tier then: G-senjou no MaouGrisaia no Kajitsu -LE FRUIT DE LA GRISAIA-TsukihimeKyokugen Dasshutsu - 9-Jikan 9-Nin 9 no TobiraMaji de Watashi ni Koi Shinasai!STEINS;GATE 0Kimi to Kanojo to Kanojo no Koi.Gyakuten Saiban 3Kyokugen Dasshutsu ADV - Zennin Shibou DesuAo no Kanata no Four RhythmFate/hollow ataraxiaSengoku RanceCHAOS;CHILDKin'iro Loveriche9-nine- Yukiiro Yukihana YukinoatoKara no Shoujo - The Second EpisodeUtawarerumono: Itsuwari no KamenRemember11 -the age of infinity-Monmusu Quest! Shuushou ~Makereba Youjo ni Okasareru~Aiyoku no Eustiaef - a fairy tale of the two.Symphonic RainHoshi Ori Yume MiraiKono Yo no Hate de Koi o Utau Shoujo YU-NOGyakuten Kenji 2428 ~Fuusa Sareta Shibuya de~Collar x MaliceRance 03 - Leazas KanrakuNukige Mitai na Shima ni Sunderu Watashi wa Dou Surya Ii Desu ka? 2Rance IX - Helman Kakumei -Irotoridori no SekaiCode: Realize ~Sousei no Himegimi~FLOWERS -Le volume sur été-Rose Guns DaysWHITE ALBUM2 Mini After StorySilver JikenKichikuou RanceSeaBedMUSICUS!Gin'iro, HarukaFLOWERS -Le volume sur automne-Kimi ga Shine -Tasuuketsu Death Game-Taishou x AliceFate/EXTRA CCCMeikei no LupercaliaMuv-Luv Unlimited: The Day AfterMashiro-iro Symphony: Sana EditionCupid ParasiteLamento -BEYOND THE VOID-Kyonyuu Fantasy Gaiden 2ChuSinGura 46+1Kami no Ue no MahoutsukaiFLOWERS -Le volume sur hiver-even if TEMPEST: Yoiyami ni Kaku Katariki MajoIrotoridori no HikariHUNDRED LINE -Saishuu Bouei Gakuen-Amakano 2Sakura no Kumo * Scarlet no KoiMonmusu Quest! Paradox RPG ZenshouIkusa Megami ZeroChou no Doku Hana no KusariMotto! Haramase! Honoo no Oppai Isekai Chou Ero Succubus Gakuen!Black Wolves Saga -Bloody Nightmare-Tsuki no Kanata de AimashouMonmusu Quest! Paradox RPG ChuushouJewelry Hearts Academia -We will wing wonder world-Mahou Shoujo no Majo SaibanKajiri Kamui Kagura>>50359580just ignore them?
>>50359584Better to ignore you, mindless retard
>>50359589ok, keep reading kusoge and crying about it then, lol
>>50359591keep not having a real opinion
>>50359594keep projecting lil bro
>>50359584>tierSo I guessed correctly about you being a spammer retard.
>>50359612still haven't googled what spamming means, huh
>WOW ALL OF THESE ARE GOOD SAAR PLAY THEM, +1 TO IZZAT FOR BEING HELPFULDon't fall for the spammer's scams
>>50359323Outside of that one mindfuck ending from Uchikoshi in 2nd - no
>How do we revive the account?>Ok, it's time for our secret weapon... a practically naked loli!KEEEEEK
>>50359584Some of these I actually enjoyed alot, but I'm not gonna go through them all again, honestly I've never had luck with other people's VN recommendations
This game awakened something in me.
>>50359649ok, just keep in mind that if you pick random games to play, you'll mostly get midsloppa situate around the middle of the distribution, so chances of getting another kusoge are very high.meanwhile my lists cover all the stuff guaranteed to be above mid, so as long as you like the premise you are guaranteed to get a good game this way
>>50359661>eroge with fuccboi licking up menstruation bloodFinally a good rec
probably a dumb question but is there a vn where the h-scenes aren't static? meaning a bit of animation or something like that
>>50359715nekopara
I don't know which looks more disturbing this >>50359640or this>>50359661
>>50359661Heroines bragging to the other heroines about getting with the MC (Me btw) gets me rock solid.
>>50359715https://vndb.org/v19311And most VNs made by this softhouse-seal are the same
why the fuck do kisses sound like that in vns? no one sounds like stirring fucking risotto when they kiss in real life
Chuu~
>>50359785I've never kissed a girl before so it sounds fine to me.
>I don't play games if many people like itLol, lmao even.
>>50359829Is it a bad thing to not be a brainless sheep who follows what's popular no matter what? Why would you want to be exactly like other people?
>>50359839correlation does not equal causation
>>50359839>what's popular no matter what?tiers are order by quality, not popularity, so you're just coping
>>50359843>Throw out vague intillectual phrase>do not explain>leaveokay
>>50359846>qualityWho do you define the quality of a story?
machinista child 1.06.659https://vik1ngfile.site/f/xtHywkCKzw
>>50359847"You are observing that many popular things are mediocre (Correlation). You are incorrectly assuming that being popular is what makes them mediocre (Causation).A VN can be popular because it is 'dumbed down' for the masses, sure. BUT, a VN can also be popular because the writing is genuinely incredible (e.g., Steins;Gate or Fate/Stay Night).If you refuse to play popular games, you aren't just avoiding 'midwit' trash; you are also avoiding the elite tier games that became famous because they are excellent.">>50359851do you like everything equally? what a weird question...
manosaba 1.1.1 https://vik1ngfile.site/f/5achbCgJ8L
>>50359839I personally prefer to form my own opinion on games. Saying you don't play games BECAUSE they are popular is just sheep behavior in reverse honestly.
>>50359846Your tiers are based on how much interracial sex is in the VN LMAO, one month is not enough for everyone to forget that
>You are incorrectly assuming that being popular is what makes them mediocreNo I'm assuming that being mediocre is what makes then popular, A translated VN will reach a wider audience and audience who has no idea about the other actually unique VNs that only exist in their native language, if they could understand Japanese they would realise that the mediocre VN is only average
>How dare you not like what everyone else likes!!!pottery
>>50359879So why do you think some of these games get translated in the first place
>>50359876no it's based on how many vndb users were life-changed but them. though it may correlated with interracial sex, i don't know because i don't really care about that>>50359879"Your theory falls apart because it ignores that these VNs are usually top-rated in Japan too, not just in the West. If they were actually 'mediocre' compared to the untranslated stuff, the Japanese players—who do have access to all those unique native games—would rate them poorly, but they consistently rank titles like Steins;Gate or Muv-Luv as masterpieces on enthusiast sites like EGS. We aren't liking them because we are ignorant; we are getting them because translation is expensive and acts as a quality filter, bringing over the 'Hall of Fame' titles that the Japanese community already vetted as the best, while leaving the actual 'mid' stuff untranslated."
>>50359887lil bro, your reading comprehension....
>>50359893>masterpiecesthey insist upon themselvesJust because everyone loves Naruto and One piece, does not mean they're maswerworks of anime they just garner the appeal of the masses, but what the masses like is all the same derivative shit that fulfills their basic desires.
>>50359903Comparing visual novels to Naruto is a false equivalence because VNs are a niche literary medium, not passive action entertainment. The "masses" looking for instant gratification or "basic desires" do not have the patience to read a 50+ hour text-heavy game; that barrier to entry naturally filters out the "midwits" you are worried about. Therefore, when a VN manages to become popular, it isn't because it’s "derivative shit" for the lowest common denominator but it’s because the writing is compelling enough to convince thousands of people to read a literal novel on a screen, proving it relies on narrative quality rather than cheap dopamine hits.
>>50359896>Say (Insert generic popular slop here) is the best>"agreed" "agreed" "agreed" "agreed">Say you don't think a popular thing is the best> "how dare you!" "urrmmmm actually" "lol, lmao, you're wrong, j-just because you're wrong!"I can see the writing on the wall
>>50359913you are supposed to read something before forming your own opinion... i think the word you're looking for is "prejudice"
>>50359910>. The "masses" looking for instant gratification or "basic desires" do not have the patience to read a 50+ hour text-heavy gameThen I guess Twilight is genuinely a masterpiece in literary fiction huh?
>>50359925>Twilightanother false equivalence because Twilight was commercially successful but critically panned. even at its peak, literary critics and a huge chunk of the public mocked its writing. in contrast, the "popular" VNs we are discussing (like Steins;Gate or MLA) hold the highest scores on enthusiast databases like VNDB and EGS, rated by hardcore veterans, not teenage casuals.
Umm...eto...how about you read whatever interests you?
i'm interested in reading good vns, not kusoge
>>50359946Exactly, peopel are too obsessed with wanting to fit in with the group, just bee yourself
DDLC is critically acclaimed so we can unanimously agree it's kami where everyone ought to read it.
>>50359925twilight is 10 hours long
>>50359971>DDLC is critically acclaimedon what planet?
>>50359972Lmao, this dude read Twilight!
>>50359976Round up to 7, it's pretty kami brofriend
>>50359977no but i know how to use google, thank you very much
>>50359976>rank 4uhhh that's pretty high
>>50359979dunno bro, i only read 8+ stuff, and kamige are only 8.75+ imo. maybe consider raising your standards? just a thought.>>50359981yup, ddlc is pretty popular.
Aren't VNs supposed to be pretty personal experiences? Like the girls you fall in love with you don't love because they're popular you love them because their story really hits you hardReading only what's popular in visual novels seems really weird to me
>>50359993>>50359989 is a troll, so you shouldn't take him seriously.
>>50359640Works every time.
>>50359993not everybody is a moebuta, a lot of people read vns because they like reading great stories, especially because every other medium is shit in comparison
>>50360000don't forget to google what troll means when you have some free time
>>50360000quads of truth
>>50359989ddlc is universally loved by everyone? guess you just don't have friends so you got only us to troll, brofriend...
>>50360023reading comprehension...
>>50360029reading comprehension...
I've noticed my reading comprehension increases when I'm jerking off
>>50360035looks like that one anon is still doing NNN lmao
aint reading that shit no matter how much you post it
lol somebody's mad
>>50360261Ok
>>50359993Nothing better than having an obscure favorite girl character
>>50360355It was painful in the past when nobody made art of them but thanks to AI that's not an issue anymore
>>50360355why should i care if a girl is popular or not?
>>50360364>AIWhy when you can learn to do it yourself?
I posted about World Actor few hours ago and theres over a hundred more replies. Guess someone spammed and schizos freaked out.
>>50360381Becasue it takes too much time to reach a high enough level, time I'd rather spend reading. And I don't have a strong enough interest in drawing despite studying graphic design in college
>>50360392Understandable, but for me it just feels so much more special to do it myself, like returning the favor, even if it is not high level.
>>50360406I'm sure it feels amazing to create art by hand, you only get the afterpleasure of appreciating art with none of the pure awe of realising it was actually made by you from AI.Keep up the good work anon.
>>50360406>>50360419Nooooo!!! You're supposed to mock each other!!!! Real artists are dumb vs Ai is soulless!!!
>>50360430
>>50360392To be honest, if I were this incompetent and lazy I'd rely on AI, too. Your ESL is also fucking terrible, by the way. You should start letting ChatGPT write your posts for you, they would unironically come out better.
>>50360499I don't have any friends and rarely talk to people, if I sound ESL that's why.
>>50359306>Maeda is a true geniusMost people working in the industry would agree with this. People may have forgotten now but during their golden age Key actually was more popular than even Typemoon. All three of their big works got adapted twice by both Toei and Kyoani while Tsukihime and Fate only got subpar adaptations by Deen.
>>50359577>I REFUSE to play these few games because it's popular>I'll play these other popular games thoughI think the problem is you, buddy.
>>50360691Those other ones aren't obnoxiously shilled
>>50360154So am I.
>>50360406Very nice, I decided to take the plunge and pick up drawing myself just a few days ago.
I-I love little girls!...
>>50361094
>>50360691Being overrated by retards dont make them good, specifically for things like midmasa and soap opera album 2
>>50361265What even is her appeal? Why would you like her in a show that has Sodachi, Senjo, Hanekawa, Nadeko
>>50361333she's cute and funny unlike everybody else
>>50361330What do you like if not WA2 or Muramasa? Silver Case or Ace Attorney or something? WA2 and Muramasa are excellent in ways so foundational to the VN medium that I can't imagine what would someone like if they dislike both at once.
>>50361342let him cope
Just ejaculated to the virginity taking h-scene
>>50361330Shit on kamige as much as you want, and please fuck off.Eroge and adventure games have a damn small niche audience, with the exception of two or three IPs (muvluv, fate, and some viral meme stuff).There are plenty of doujin works that you can read, that you'll probably end up dropping because of a dozen different excuses.
>>50357307Looks like I was mistaken, there wasn't actually an issue with the save file it's just that the VN was a love triangle (not mentioned in the tags) and you're forced to kiss and get into sexual situations with every one of the main girls in the common route.Fucking annoying. Average VN alround, ost was forgettable, story was average, romance could have been better, I guess the heroines were well written and interesting.
>>50361612>>50357307name of vn? you've gotten me interested
Demo's out.
>>50361801i'm actually just done with the ogi didn't do the flowershop girl but i liked ryoko and mizuho most
>>50359577>I don't play overly hyped VNs, If everyone loves it it's because it's slop that appeals to the lowest common demoniatoroh i remember you, you're the same retard who was saying this about Oretsuba around last Christmas
>>50361702Ren no Koi
>>50361801it's fucking horrible. if anyone was stupid enough to wait for this, just go for the og. way better in every way and i thought the doukyuusei remakes were preferable to the ogs
>>50362068Does it at least have an イージーモード like the doukyuusei remakes?
>>50362122yes. apparently i always picked the wrong one when mizuho comes to tell that you're in the same class this year too
>>50361801>demake*yawns*
New thread?
We are literally on page 10
New thread doko
sirs...the new untranslated izzatkino thread
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