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How would you reform the Australian military?
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Sack probably half of it, it's turned into a jobs program and the culture in it is disgusting. I'm going to be called a faggot for saying that but it's true.
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>>61318037
race segregated penal battalions
everyone gets a owen gun, 5 stick mags, and 5 grenades
declare war on indogs
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>>61318077
Oh also permanently ban this person and all like him from any public service. Government, military, policing, social work, education, everything.
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>>61318086
yeah na, fuck off cunt
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>>61318077
>race segregated penal battalions
storm abo battalions used against chink naval landings in the year 2030
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>>61318229
implying they'd even be needed
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>>61318037
I'd start by barring Muslims and Chinese descendants from military service.
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Here I was hoping for some actual cool ideas like national service or equipment changes
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exactly copy american armor bct and couple of infantry bct
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>>61318282
Nothing like that is useful.

The "Sack half of them" guy is correct. The culture needs to be permanently broken away from what it currently is.

That is, if you care about actual reform.
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Focus on the ADF being able an effective Littoral Combat Force. Significant upgrades to the Navy and Air Force providing better long range strike capability. We also rely solely on the US and UK to ensure our sovereignty and deter China from taking military action against us. Australia needs to become a nuclear power so we can guarantee our own future.
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>>61318448
Oh I don't disagree with him at all, I just thought we'd have more fun with it instead of seething.

>>61318451
Like this guy.
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>>61318451
Further to this, fuck ever being deployed to the Middle East again or even Europe. Maybe small special forces deployments but no conventional forces. We aren't a big enough country to field a force capable of fighting in the ME or Europe and also the Pacific. We need to basically be the USMC and focus on DEFENCE of Australia and fighting through the Pacific Islands. We need B21 Raiders, ICBMs, nuclear submarines (which are actually coming), several LHDs with F35B squadrons, state of the art EW gear and seaborne and aerial suicide drones that can swarm chink rust buckets.
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>>61318534
My ideas are literally 1:1 to yours. Insane. It must be done.

>captcha: H8DM8
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>>61318632
Based. The ADF has had an identity crisis for many years and we now just need to focus our military on one goal: defending Australia against China and fighting China in the Pacific.
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>>61318037
Put Thomas Sewell in charge.
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>>61318735
He's based but retarded.
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>>61318735
Thomas Sowell?
The black guy that makes books on economics?
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>>61318743
Thomas Sewell, the leader of the Australian National Socialist Network.
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>>61318757
So a low IQ retard.
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>>61318765
See: >>61318736
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>>61318037
Abo spec ops teams to paralyze enemy logistics by infiltrating into the rear and drinking the enemy petrol, emu death squads used as shock troops to break enemy lines and shatter morale into devastating routs with CAS provided by magpies
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>>61318736
I'll take any based retard over traitor zionists any day of the week.
>>61318743
>>61318765
>be you
>be illiterate
>call people you don't know low IQ retards on impulse
pottery
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>>61318853
The Nazis lost.
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>>61318853
The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. I hope he gets blackbagged by ASIO.
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>>61318037
By nuking the entire population of Australia.
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>>61318861
>>61318869
>the antifa bootlicker dilates as he strikes you
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>>61318037
Get rid of the Australians and find some real men
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>>61318942
>gets told to fuck off
>y-youre a tranny lefty
Fuck off poltard
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>>61318976
You can be a right wing tranny too for all I know. I hear they support gun rights and drink beer or whatever.
But a man you are not - and a woman you will never be.
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>Kick out Angus Campbell
>Unfuck the culture of bullying, make it a normal workplace (still rape cover ups all the time still on going
>Make the pay much better as most people just leave and join the private industry
>Public Beating for those that made us do Operation Covid Assist or Bush fire/flood cleanup
>Treat people like people instead of shit
>Stop posting us to Darwin or make it only temporarily for 6 months per 3 years
>Allow us to pick different spots to post like Sydney, Newcastle, Townsville etc
This will fix retention alone, will it happen? Probably not
>Actually do something about Vetren suicides because the 50th Royal commission into them isnt going to do anything
>Let us grow beards
>Let us wear patches again
>Mandatory fitness assessments for WO's and up; for every day WO's and up cannot pass the fitness test he must share his 4th wife with the boys
Theres a bigger list but this is a small drop in the bucket
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>>61319437
I concur
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>>61318037
Conscript everyone from the ages of 13-30 for a minimum 10 year service.
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>>61318037
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https://files.catbox.moe/ynjq9i.mp4
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>>61318534
> We need to basically be the USMC and
The marines only exist becuase of a powerful US Army and globe trotting US Navy. Australia cut equipment for its Army by ending Plan Bersheeba. While the Aus Navy has been cut and defunded for 30 years making it the weakest its been since the Inter-War period
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>>61319437
>>Public Beating for those that made us do Operation Covid Assist or Bush fire/flood cleanup
AHHHH TOO BASED
>>Stop posting us to Darwin or make it only temporarily for 6 months per 3 years
Albo did the opposite lmao. Youre going to Townsville and Darwin and you will like it
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>>61318249
implying they haven't already successfully invaded all 3 East Coast shitholes
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>>61318229
> storm abo battalions
But we have these already. They’re called NORFORCE.
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>>61318461
Our own lightweight variant of the Abrams, or an honest to god seperate light tank we aren't worried won't go on infrastructure in theatre.
Either fuck off the idea of attack helos, or "do both" with Apaches still being a thing but also adopt the same or similar autonomous system the Japanese are planning.

A bunch of nations have started down the "transhumanism" tech path, with Australia being one of them. We need to own that shit even more, plan around going as hard on cybernetics, cyber warfare, robotic, automation etc as Japan is, and I hope both countries have front row seats in whatever Ukraine is doing on that front.
Force multiplication through superior strategy and force multiplication is essential. I know we are working on it, I know our society is being shaped around it, but we need to go even harder.
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>>61320042
Fuck me I read like I'm having a stroke. Long day lads. Praise the Omnissiah.
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>>61318757
But anon that is an enemy ideology, the same as communism (both Soviet and Chinese) and the Boers (fucking Boers). I suggest that this Anon must be mandated to impregnate forty chink women, forty Lebo women and eighty eight abo women (God have mercy on your soul) until he is rehabilitated.
As for the topic we need more SAM systems and MANPADS, our air defence is anaemic.
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>>61320056
>Being a Gin jockey
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>>61318037
Stop trying Australianising everything. Buy off the shelf and lots of them. If we ever need to build anything ourselves we're fucked anyway. And it'll take 30 years so what's the point.
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>>61320056
>same as communism
least subverted boomer meme
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>>61318282
>national service
yeh nah not signing up to die for this shithole thanks
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1. stop all immigration
2. ban the ALP from ever being in power again
3. deport non white non abos
4. become nuclear power
5. bribe and blackmail US pollies so we xan get away with the above
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>>61320079
>If we ever need to build anything ourselves we're fucked anyway. And it'll take 30 years so what's the point.
truly the most retarded of takes
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>>61320124
You're not even willing to combat the shit in vidrel. You're not willing to die for a fucking thing. You are lower than those people.
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>>61320175
I did plenty cunt bags :)
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>>61320188
No. No you haven't.
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>>61319437
>Make the pay much better
Australian Army is the highest paid Army in the world by literally tens of thousands of dollars per year. 17 year olds in Kapooka earn more than Colonels in most European Armies. For reference a French soldier makes €1200 per month and a US Army Infantryman makes $1400 per month. You don’t deserve even half the pay for the work you do considering no one in the ADF has been in combat in literally 10 years and no one outside of Tier 1 SOF has seen combat since 2010
>allow people to only get posted to Brisbane and Adelaide
Your fault for building Army bases in the middle of nowhere. Don’t join if you can’t hack it working in T-Villle or Darwin
>le Veteran suicides
Literally zero people in the ADF have any justifiable reason to commit suicide. Your Army is the single most pampered spoiled military on the planet short of the Swiss Guards in the Vatican. You can drink on deployment while getting your base pay plus $250 per day hazard pay tax free to sit in an air conditioned tent playing Xbox and you come home to claim PTSD? When a grand total of 44 Australians died during the entire GWOT?

Fuck you
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>>61320212
You don't seem to understand that:
1. Pay is reducing and is not up to private sector standards. It's not a matter of comparison to your shit welfare program, but to our own industries and economy. We get paid more, but also have to pay more.

2. Your military almost 100% does not require you to post to a random fucking place every 6 months. Not deploy, but literally rebase. Consider the mental health impacts of having to basically have no sustainable relationships whatsoever outside of a military which rewards jack cunts
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>>61318037
Can't reform a military that has no combat experience. Same thing is happening to us over in the states. You have people who have never seen combat explaining combat to people who have no intention of actually fighting a war.
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>>61318451
this is exactly what they're doing, right? realising we're surrounded by a big ocean so navy, air force, and long-range strike capability is where the budget is going?
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>>61320258
>the ADF has no combat experience
Nigger you are insane

>>61320262
Hardly. The only real effective investment being made is in long-range missile capability but everything else is too little, and at a snail's pace. The naval procurements are a joke.
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>>61320212
>Highest paying army
[Citation Needed]. Everything else in Australia is getting pretty great wage increases with the exception of the ADF, get off it champ
>Your fault for building Army bases in the middle of nowhere. Don’t join if you can’t hack it working in T-Villle or Darwin
>Literally zero people in the ADF have any justifiable reason to commit suicide
These post has me convinced you are part of the crust and part of the problem that is killing the ADF
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>>61320282
The people currently in the military have no combat experience is what I meant which is the same problem we are now running into. The people who saw combat are no longer there to teach and train.
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>>61320079
>Buy off the shelf and lots of them
good
>If we ever need to build anything ourselves we're fucked anyway. And it'll take 30 years so what's the point.
bad

local production of whatever design we buy keeps the long-term capability available to us. They should be preparing for scenarios in 30 years where the US/europe may be unwilling or unable to provide us what we need. Being able to churn out acceptable vehicles at a moderate pace has long term strategic value at the cost of short term speed.

>>61320294
northern australia is pretty fucking unpleasant place to be but it's the most useful place to have a military presence. aside from rotating people through so they don't have too long a stint I don't know if there's a solution to that, but I'm not sure having a well-staffed and happy military 3000km from the only border with neighbouring countries would be effective.
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>>61320309
>northern australia is pretty fucking unpleasant place to be but it's the most useful place to have a military presence
The mining companies have absolutely no issue at all getting young and professional men out to even more remote locations. The companies find the market price and pay it; the government is stuck in the same mindset paying the military like they do for Nurses, Doctors and Teachers - which is just to rely on their naivete to suck them in for a year or two before they realise what a mistake they've made and they fuck off never to return.
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>>61319437
Working on the culture side is the biggest problem. Pay's an issue too but number one thing that'll help with recruitment, retention and suicides is making the ADF less of a bitch to serve in.
Also throw the next person to bitch about the F-35s from the top of the Eureka Tower. Christ there were even cunts saying we should've been buying Raptors, a plane never designed or cleared for fucking export that even the US can barely maintain a fleet of.
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>>61318037
boxing kongeres :3
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>>61320322
i'd have no problem with tacking on a 'shitty location' bonus to anybody stationed in NT/northern QLD. not sure how it'd be structured but if 30k/year more makes it a desirable place to be based, then yeah why not.
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>>61318037
seems fine as it is
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>>61320336
funny joke
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>>61320333
Unfortunately the people who make these decisions are the same people who call up a private jet for themselves and a separate private jet for their colleague whenever they need to go anywhere at all outside of the Sydney-Canberra-Melbourne triangle.
They're delusional, because as you say a remote bonus would encourage people to work long term, go a long way to improving the culture - as well as developing the NT with long term employed residents all at the same time.
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>>61320323
There was an obvious ex soldier here in one of the previous threads who made a really good point: the people who complain about gays/trannies/women/nonwhites/asians/indians/lefties/greens in the military are actually playing interference for the real problem - the borderline dysfunctional leadership in the military. The target group they complain about isn't relevant. They don't actually care about gays or women, they just want to take the blame for the suicides or the rapes or the war crimes and shift them onto whatever vulnerable minority is available.
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>>61320240
>Pay is reducing and is not up to private sector standards
Show me a private sector Infantry Battalion. Show me a private sector Artillery Regiment. If you’re some faggot POG go drive a forklift in a civvie factory no one cares if you leave Defence
>different base every 6 months
ADF doesn’t either, it’s 3 years and you know this. Many ADF servicemen spend a decade or more in the same Battalion with a short stint in Kapooka or singleton. you also know this.

You’re a faggot bitching about nothing and I would kill my whole family for half of the pay and privileges you fucks have.
>each ADF member gets a guaranteed free house to rent right next to the Barracks while Australians pay $1000 per week in rent
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>61320482
Do you think your opinions are contributing to the bettering of the ADF by any chance champ? What is your solution cause I guarantee it will go
>Digs get paid too much
>Back in my day we were paid in piss at the boozer and we were happy about it
Only cure for you is a short drop from a rope
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>>61320482
I agree.

When you start taking in the bonuses the ADF provides, i.e. free health care, subsidised rent (subsidised first home too), as well as potential to apply for Defence Assistance Study Scheme you realise that our actual wage is competitive with the rest of the nation.

My problem with my lengthy service has literally been incompetent J/SNCOs and Os who have denied digs the information needed to make informed decisions, simultaneously flogging the boys to death to meet the same generic fucking requirements every god damn year. Combined with a toxic boys club that means 40% of the digs get to sit around and have coffees all day with no reprecussions and fast tracked promotion while the remaining few double time it to meet sub-unit objectives is arguably the biggest killer of retention.

8 years in a combat corps as a dig with a degree, letting fucking rank take advantage of my passion has been my biggest mistake.
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>>61320536
>Combined with a toxic boys club that means 40% of the digs get to sit around and have coffees all day with no reprecussions and fast tracked promotion while the remaining few double time it to meet sub-unit objectives is arguably the biggest killer of retention.
Sounds like every private sector job I've ever had. It's comforting and scary to know that even the ADF has it. You'd think being able to scream at people would help.
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>>61320585
Knowing the private sector is just as bad is probably the only reason I haven't discharged. My argument to people however, is at least your life isn't in the private sectors hands. I was expected to go to war with these people. I used to work my ass off in the hangar, only to come into the conference room to find two platoons worth of digs chatting away with some select few SNCOs, yet we were expecting to deploy field within a week and weren't even close to being ready to deploy.

Then people wondered why their performance was so low during the ex. Almost as if they neglect to conduct any semblence of training during the down periods.
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>>61320607
Sounds like you're a competent hard working bloke. It's suffering. I hope you get a good private sector job where you can use 30% of your brain and take home decent pay.
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>>61320346
It'd hardly be the first field where that's an issue. Way easier to just bitch about people.
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>>61320627
Thanks mate. I loved my time in the unit and I don't regret signing up, but the last two years there were living hell. Waking up angry, going home angry. Seeing my beloved unit become apathetic and lazy as opposed to the lethal hard hitters we were when I joined up.

I had pretty bold career aspirations, and despite winning all the small battles I couldn't fight the big one - my work ethic and dedication wasn't enough to be eligible for LCPL let alone Officer.

I miss my old role, but I don't regret corps transferring. My quality of life improved dramatically almost immediately, simply being mentally healthy to get a full nights sleep makes a massive difference. Not withstanding my experience and knowledge is recognised and valued, I'm not just a number anymore.
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>>61320665
All I can say is that I've had the same experiences anon. I'm sorry that people are like this. I've learned to never actually befriend anyone at work and to never actually commit to a company's "mission", no matter how much you believe in it, because of people/cultures like that. Coming into work wanting to do something good and simple (in some of these places it was simply just "receive, process and then redirect goods for customers") and leaving feeling defeated, being made to feel like a piece of shit for actually caring about anything. It's toxic and it fucks you up mentally, I was out of work for a decent period after one of those experiences. It's not just about the work or whatever, it's about the blow it gives to your personal belief system, how you look at the world and place yourself in it. If you're made to feel like a piece of shit for doing simple, good things, you eventually decide that you yourself are shit.

It's good that you're out of there.
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how many covid vaxxes are you gayDF cunts up to now, 3 or 4?
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>>61320536
>>61320607
>>61320665
>8 year digger bitching and moaning about le state of le army
Holy fuck shut the fuck up you dumb Lid cunt. You joined in 2016 and you have no trips, no ICB, no rank and no right to complain about jack shit. Post your gong rack now and fucking kill yourself you utter faggot. You are literally what’s wrong with the Army. Faggot retard overgrown jubes who missed the war and think that because they’ve been in slightly longer than their ROSO that they’re king shit. The ‘crust’ you’re bitching about had 2 trips to Afghan before they got their coca cola gongs. The crust you’re bitching about fought off Malaria in Timor when you were shitting yourself in a nappy you lid cunt
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>>61320712
>you deserve literally no opinion until you've been in for 24 years
I'll trust anything coming out of the mouth of a 4 year US Marine before I trust you, bud. Yes, that includes shit about bitcoin and atrocious APRs on cars.
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>>61320712
God you come off as a miserable cunt, anon.
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>>61320705
Jesus christ you've summarised everything I've been feeling confused about for years so succintly. Thank you so much.

>>61320712
Wew lad. Everything you just posted is exactly what is wrong with the current Army. Thinking your "supposed" service in Afghanistan and Iraq, a low-intensity conflict, entitles you to express those opinions overrides my own experience.

I'm not afraid of admitting I haven't gone overseas on combat operations, but how about you post YOUR gongs if you're going to talk mad shit about my service.
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>>61320130
>>61320309
It'll be cheaper to just give each of you South Australian leeches a million dollars to fuck off rather than further delaying procurement any longer. All you do is assemble shit anything more advanced than turning a screwdriver gets imported anyway. But hey both world wars lasted 5 years, you lot can assemble half a sub in that time.
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>>61320958
Imagine being such a retard you choose to cry about South Australia rather than Canberra who has fucked every Naval acquistion for 30 years with backtracking and cuts
>we want a replacment for our subs
>we're going with Japan
>no we're going with france
>no we're going with Britain
Why bother building SSNs when a new government will change its mind again
Look at the flip-flopping with the Hunters
>we want 9 ASW frigates
>who cares if the design isnt mature
>dont worry about more Destroyers, the Hunters have enough firepower
>wait they dont have enough firepower also we want AWD instead also we only want 6 Hunters now lmao.
You sound like an LNP faggot with muh buy from foreign shipyards. Why bother when foreign shipyards cant even build ferries properly.
>Sydney Harbour's new River-class ferry fleet was riddled with more than 40 defects after the vessels arrived in NSW from Indonesia. The government confirmed 43 defects were identified across the 10 vessels, which are undergoing substantial rectification work to their cabins so they can operate after sunset.
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>>61318037
>How would you reform the Australian military?
Australia has approximately Taiwan's population and budget but no neighbours capable of invading.
They literally just need long range strike capability and enough troops to invade anything in the Pacific that China or whoever takes as a stepping stone. Just like WWII.

The only "defence" the defence force will do is a moderate garrison to ensure there aren't any end-arounds on Melbourne and Sydney. They wouldn't even need to handle fifth column actions, the cops would do fine at that.

Indonesia has neither the ability nor desire to invade Australia and would all die in the desert if they tried. They're probably the only country that could even make landfall reliable and that's because they're close enough for small boats to zip across to the northern territory. They might do ok there compared to everyone else but they'd struggle and probably die trying to get through the red centre and Darwin is smaller than most regional towns in the actual states so you'd probably just evacuate all civilians on the Ghan train to Adelaide.

Because Indonesia is the gateway to any serious attempt to land troops in Australia anyway, ADF won't fight China in Australia, they'll fight them in Indonesia as allies with Indonesian support.
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>>61320712
>8 year digger bitching and moaning
That's a pretty sizable life commitment there. I think it earns you the right to bitch and moan a bit.
If I'd worked eight years in any one job, I'd have some opinions about it too.
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>>61320536
>My problem with my lengthy service has literally been incompetent J/SNCOs and Os who have denied digs the information needed to make informed decisions, simultaneously flogging the boys to death to meet the same generic fucking requirements every god damn year. Combined with a toxic boys club that means 40% of the digs get to sit around and have coffees all day with no reprecussions and fast tracked promotion while the remaining few double time it to meet sub-unit objectives is arguably the biggest killer of retention.
This isn't specifically a military problem. I certainly know civilians who worked for RAAF who loved it because of how mission focused everyone was on whatever they were doing. If something was needed, people would just do it and not complain.
However...

What you're describing is the Australian boy's club. It exists in a lot of areas, I've seen it in one or two companies I've worked for, including with NZ staff too, they can be just the same of course, it's a very similar culture.

I'm not sure what it is about Australia/NZ that creates this culture but it's super common and you'd see it in country town pubs, shearing sheds, software company offices and barracks too apparently.
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>>61318037
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>>61318077
Based ausschad

>>61318086
Cringe aussfag
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>>61320077
Christ it feels like eons since I’ve heard anyone say that, but I’m not the gin jockey, it is Anon’s punishment.

>>61320107
It’s the same to me, both ideologies are only championed by the dregs of society that believe that if they install their chosen mental illness that they will be the ones on top making every one else’s lives shit. If either one gets in power my family, myself and everyone I know will suffer.
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>>61321483
We would've had those subs and ships already if we didn't need to worry about building them in South Australia. Again buy off the shelf and give the leeches a million each.
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>>61324025
>If either one gets in power my family, myself and everyone I know will suffer.
Why? Are you a jewish pornographer?
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>>61324226
No we wouldnt have. You would be bitching about Queensland, Perth or Melbourne instead like the fag you are. That's before you accept that Rudd, Gillard and Abbott all sat on the bare arses on defence.
>le off the shelf
Which off the shelf submarine meets Australian requirements and already uses the systems the RAN does?
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>>61324620
>Are you a jewish pornographer?
No, just poor and retarded. My family will not live up to the expectations of a Nazi government and will eventually be eliminated (that and great grandmother was an abo and we have a history of mental abnormalities such as autism so we will not pass the genetic purity muster), under a communist government we would either starve or be removed for wrong think. No matter what we lose.
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>>61324755
>the genetic purity muster
That's a meme, fren. If you have completely crippling genetic illnesses you might have been more or less voluntarily sterilized to avoid burdening another generation with it (we do a similar thing now by aborting messed up kids), but that's about it. Anyone who advocates for breeding complete drooling mongoloids and cripples is inhuman desu.
National socialism advocates taking the poor and retarded members of the nation and making them a bit less poor and retarded in their lifetimes, and a lot less poor and retarded over the generations.
The esoteric hyperborean purity stuff was for the voluntary applicants to the SS, not the average European.
>abo
Pretty sure Sewell's org accepts up to 25% non-White admixture iirc. The Germans accepted up to 25% jewish admixture even.
>under a communist government we would either starve or be removed for wrong think
No lie detected.
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>>61318656
>defending Australia against China and fighting China in the Pacific
what do we do in a war with china when most of our exports go to them?
Sounds like a recipe for an economic crisis if Bazza isn't getting 200k driving a truck
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>>61318942
>antifa
>bootlicker
You're using words you don't even understand.
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>>61324884
Antifa
>Antifascist. Classically some sort of marxist spiteful mutant, but conservatards are typically unknowingly crypto-antifa since the Overton window has shifted so hard. Main purpose is to oppose nationalism and anti-semitism.
Bootlicker
>Supportive of the current totalitarian system. Main purpose is to oppose nationalism and anti-semitism.

You're right, it was redundant of me. I'll just skip to the point and call you a faggot next time. Faggot.
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>>61318037

1. MORAL LEGITIMACY
They take a more active role in ensuring first peoples are seen and heard. This could include recruitment initiatives and operations to reclaim abandoned or unlivable properties for community housing. They should also root out hazing and racist extremism in their ranks

2. INTERNATIONAL LEGITIMACY
Australia should prepare for a mission centric approach where they work under the leadership of their partners in London and DC to counter China. Isolationism must be rooted out similar to racial extremism. To counter Chinese influence, we must ensure sudden leadership gaps do not appear if Australian forces are asked to enter a conflict that they do mot believe to pose an imminent threat to Australia, due to Chinese info operations.
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>>61324812
>National socialism advocates taking the poor and retarded members of the nation and making them a bit less poor and retarded in their lifetimes, and a lot less poor and retarded over the generations.
While noble in theory it’s the “put into practice” bit that is the stumbling block, these kinds of things never go according to plan, same as it is with commies going
>this time it will work
Before it going to shit. Once the undesirables are removed how long until a future Aus Fuhrer decides that alcoholics are undesirable, or red heads or men who are left handed and like Abba. Eventually it will go to shit and the people that you want to defend will get punished.
>Pretty sure Sewell's org accepts up to 25% non-White admixture iirc. The Germans accepted up to 25% jewish admixture even.
25% seems an awfully high percentage.
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>>61324684
I'll add Perth as well but at least they can dig and aren't totally reliant on government military welfare. The PMs all sat on their arses because they know building shit in Australia doesn't make economic sense but they want to get re-elected. "Australian requirements" are all just bullshit. American shit crosses the pacific, I'm sure they can handle going around Australia. And the less we talk about the RAN's oversized radar the better.
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>>61325113
>these kinds of things never go according to plan
All -isms end up being pretty horrible if they get absolute power.
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>>61318037
Everyone gets normal rifles. Only truck drivers and pilots get augs. The end.
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>>61325113
>Before it going to shit. Once the undesirables are removed how long until a future Aus Fuhrer decides that alcoholics are undesirable, or red heads or men who are left handed and like Abba. Eventually it will go to shit and the people that you want to defend will get punished.
That's a ridiculous argument. You could say that about literally any law; it's wrong to make laws against homicide or child porn because a future government might make laws against alcohol or being left-handed. You support the government while it is doing good then withdraw support if it turns to shit.
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>>61325385
>You support the government while it is doing good then withdraw support if it turns to shit
*laughs in literally any revolutionary*
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>>61318037
POOFTAHS OUT
SHEILAS OUT
WOGS OUT
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>>61318282
If you reclassify all foreigners as being in violation of government Covid measures then state police and military forces will immediately become the most ruthless soldiers ever known to man
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>>61321582
Shut the fuck up with this logical geopolitical analysis anon
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>>61325587
I-I'm sorry anon. I don't know what came over me.

This is why I had to leave Australia, I wasn't a big enough cunt.
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>>61325113
>these kinds of things never go according to plan
True, but if you're not planning to win, you're planning to fail. Not having an ideology doesn't mean you won't get gulag'd.
>this time it will work
Hitler's Germany was pretty damn impressive and would be a hell of a lot better place to live than anywhere in the modern world. The UK and France declaring war on Germany and refusing to settle for peace doesn't invalidate the ideology, but rather shows that it is a threat to the Zios.
>Once the undesirables are removed how long until a future Aus Fuhrer decides that alcoholics are undesirable, or red heads or men who are left handed and like Abba.
Alcoholism is obviously undesirable. It ruins families and has killed untold numbers. Alcoholics should be helped. Incurable alcoholics typically have genetic or epigenetic conditions, in which case I would personally support sterilization so as to slowly reduce the amount of incurable alcoholics.
Obviously any society can theoretically become clownworld. No system is perfect. It's like a wife. They all have flaws, but you still have to aim for the best one you can get. If it's any consolation, I do not support sterilization for wrong handed Abba fans.
>25% seems an awfully high percentage.
No disagreement here. I won't force you to marry a 25% yid or abo, but the point is that there's plenty of room for mutted Whites.
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>>61326093
>you still have to aim for the best one you can get.
I skipped the punchline because I'm retarded: "and keep working for the rest of your life to keep the marriage working. There's no resting on any laurels, ever."
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>>61318861
So did the Natives in the western hemisphere but you faggots won't shut the fuck up about that and their stolen land

>>61318869
Hey Reddit is the other way dude, head on back!
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>>61326093
Got back from work so I’ll go on since you seem to be a agreeable bloke.
>Hitler's Germany was pretty damn impressive and would be a hell of a lot better place to live than anywhere in the modern world.
While it’s now in vogue to shit on every single aspect of Nazi Germany I do agree that a lot of their stuff was pretty top notch, while it like any country had its problems it didn’t seem to bad to live in (as long as you were apart of the ubermensch group anyway)
>The UK and France declaring war on Germany and refusing to settle for peace doesn't invalidate the ideology, but rather shows that it is a threat to the Zios.
I mean..at that point Hitler had invaded the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia and Poland. While I’m not too fussed about them reclaiming the Sudetenland I view the invasions of Czechoslovakia and Poland as unnecessary wars of conquest and I especially take pause at the Germans teaming up with the Soviets to split up Poland (a part of the reason why I view both ideologies with distaste). I think it is well within Britain’s and Frances best interest to try and stop expansionist powers on the European continent.
>Alcoholism is obviously undesirable. It ruins families and has killed untold numbers. Alcoholics should be helped. Incurable alcoholics typically have genetic or epigenetic conditions, in which case I would personally support sterilization so as to slowly reduce the amount of incurable alcoholics.
I think this will be the main reason why nations socialism will not take root in Australia. The vast majority of this nation (myself included) are alcoholics and will straight up not tolerate any attempt to stop the grog. We have been a nation of drunkards since the first convicts were shipped here and we will be long after this. If you tried to initiate Total Alchy Death I don’t think there would be very many people (let alone white people) left.
I’ll have to do two parts since I ran out of space
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>>61326093
>>61327895
>Obviously any society can theoretically become clownworld. No system is perfect. It's like a wife. They all have flaws, but you still have to aim for the best one you can get.
It just seems that the vast majority (not all) of authoritarian systems eventually get subverted or just break down. You might be able to get it work for a while but even with much attention it doesn’t take much for the thing to run empty..
>No disagreement here. I won't force you to marry a 25% yid or abo, but the point is that there's plenty of room for mutted Whites.
It just kinda seems like a cop out, that if you make the requirements to be fully white then you won’t have any members of a Aus NatSoc group since the majority of the old families here have an abo or two somewhere in the family tree.
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>>61326093
In Nazi Germany you'd have been forced to work.
And probably executed for liking tranime.
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>>61324947
What moral legitimacy lol, Australia has no friends in SE Asia and the Pacific is only marginally less hated than China, the US and Japan
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>>61318282
>national service

unironically kill yoself
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>>61321483
The AOR's were built by Spain. Don't quote retarded articles.
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>>61318037
>700+ Lynx
>500+ M1E3 Abrams
>New bullpup 6.8 rifle and REAPR MG
>Squad level smart grenade launcher with airburst ability,
>Squad level shoulder fired ATGM
>Squad level drones
>Platoon level long range highly mobile mortars and long range drones
>Tempest or NGAD acquisition in the 100 unit range
>Build two nuclear carriers
>Build a nuke sub fleet ASAP
>Build nukes
>Adopt pic related as new flag
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>>61318451
>Australia needs to become a nuclear power so we can guarantee our own future.

I've strongly held a belief that Australia (and Brazil) will acquire nuclear weapons in the next few decades as their regions become legit hotspots for serious foreign intervention as resource wars become a true threat.
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>>61318037
Things have in a way, improved massively over the last 25 years in terms of having much better equipment overall. There's still some pretty questionable purchases here and there which are kind of still making me wonder what the fuck they were thinking and drinking at the time but its not a show stopper. Just more ornamental and could have been money better spent elsewhere.
If I'd ever ended up ever 'advising' some minister there's a number of key areas that need to be addressed

>Sustainability in Equipment
We can make a lot of our vehicles here and some of our aircraft spares, but our ammo and ability to roll out major items like rocket motors, artillery rounds, bombs etc is not good and our stores of them for a protracted shit fight are pretty limited. We're one-punch man, point us at something and we will fuck its shit right up, once. Twice in a row and then we start seeing shortages of ammo, spares and the ability to quickly bring more online.
>We need more bomb production essentially
>Fuel scarcity could become an issue and there should be some investment in reserves
>Supply chains to critical components we don't make here also need a reserve store

>Long term Careers
Wars need smarter people on the tools, weapon systems are more complicated than they have ever been and that means you need a skillset to run them, pass on their operation more effectively to others and most importantly- retain staff. So when someone enters the ADF they need a career planner, maybe you join up as a clutch fucker driving trucks and then wander off into the private sector 4 years later and that's just not economical to train people and lose them to other sectors. So what about at the end of the 4 year term, we offer you a career in Pioneers, learn some construction skills or maybe a spanner chucker and lean how to fix vehicles.
That's just a simple example, but it should apply universally across the ADF. Keep the dudes who know their shit, in the military industry
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>>61318037
Something I always thought was weird about new zealand was that their infantry arent all marines. Like any regional fight they get into no matter how small is going to have a maritime element, so its weird they rely on navy personnel for all the ship shit. That all applies double to Australia because they're big enough to have a marine corp as a distinct branch, and they're much more likely to actually use it because unlike new zealand there are more than 5 people on the books. So that would be my suggestion, trash the army and reform it as the Australian marine corp and equip it with WASP assault ships and landing craft.
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>>61328674
NZ's strategy is literally "rely on Australia" and then if we fail it's just their own guys hiding in hobbit holes in the mountains.
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>>61318451
Problem is that the testing in the 50's and 60's here basically shit the bed for a lot of people to the point its ingrained in the mindset of everyone from knuckle dragging idiots to federal politics
So, there does need to be a a proper debate with getting everyone onboard from the people who'd have a nuke reactor in their electorate, the people building it and the processing of our vast uranium reserves to make fuel and fissile material. Personally I'm pro-nuke because I'm educated enough to realise we're a very good position for them-
>low risk of earthquakes
>decent skilled workforce
>accessible fuel
>places to put waste
Biggest sticking point is that Howard in the 00's made a devils deal with the Greens to make nuke power 'illegal' in this country, so we'd also need a law change

In terms of a weaponised application, I think the effort into a ballistic and strategic arsenal is probably a bit too ambitious and easily countered. We'd be better off with a tactical force applied to torpedo and cruise missiles being the delivery system and it'd keep the costs down as well as not being nearly as provocative of the sabre rattling that goes on with strategic assets. Basically, the fucking around within a certain distance of us and you get lit the fuck up.

>>61328674
If that's the only weird thing about NZ, the rest gets worse!
Nah, they're kind of fucked. They've had successive gov policies that effectively demilitarised the whole country and it'd have to start completely from scratch. Big job, lot of money and a cultural change.
Which really sucks as they could quite literally have the capability of somewhere like say, Denmark (same pop, roughly equiv cash) but they went off into who fucking knows were. I'd be interested to see what they spent the money on more than anything else.
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>>61328262
>Squad level drones
Kino
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I'm American so I will not pretend to know what is going on in Australia. I am interested in what you think of this idea. I have studied the Aussies fighting the Japanese on Papua New Guinea while the USMC was fighting in Guadalcanal and I think the Aussie citizen soldiers that fought the Japanese Army fought heroically and very effectively.
My uninformed understanding is that most Australians are not interested in power projection but simply in defending your country from invasion, by China .
It doesn't make sense to invest in something like the F-35, which is incredibly expensive and only shown to be combat capable 40% of the time.
Aussies should focus on morale, training and quality of troops which is small money in the grand scheme. In addition, follow the Swiss model. Place an armory in every town and make every able bodied citizen a member of the general militia. You could have everyone get 2 years of basic training at age 18 .
Your current forces combined with an armed citizen militia would make Australia an island no one would want to fuck with.
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Sack like half of the Army. Recruit those numbers back into the RAN, use those numbers to reduce tempo and allow a proper rotation. Buy the airforce some B21s, maybe.
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>>61329119
Not bad ideas. We also need a strong as fuck Navy and decent Air Force to make sure we can't get blockaded by China, and to fend off any Chinese military action in our close pacific island neighbours.

Everything is completely useless if China threatens to or actually does use nukes though, hence the best thing Australia could ever do is acquire Nuclear ICBMs that can hit mainland China.
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>>61329119
Most of the training is fine, I did however earlier point out like all western military forces we need staff retention though and making it a more appealing, long term career.
In terms of fighting on Australian soil, its just not been the doctrine for a long time. We do forward defense using what power projection we have and go kick the shit out of them in someone else's backyard as much as its horrible for anyone to land here, its also not exactly much fun to fight here either. It doesn't matter if people don't like it, they aren't the ones making the doctrine and most aren't fighting either so they don't get much of a say.
That's sort of why the F-35 factors into the equation
We're a combined arms military and that includes our allies in the Philippines, Malaysia, Singapore and for the most part, Indonesia. They don't tend to like us for various historic and patriotic reasons, but they'll be the first to call for help if China starts eating its way through Taiwan and starts heading towards them and everyone else in SEA.

In terms of a Reserve, we do have them. Its not always considered or given much credibility but its not awful either and the main problem in terms of a large reserve force is that Conscription hasn't been a thing since Vietnam and is unlikely to be brought into law again. Personally I'm not a huge fan of most conscription models as they just seem to end up being a largely worthless gap-year for people and they just don't really want to do it. So like most people who don't want to do something, its done as slowly, badly and without any effort for the period it runs for. Conscripts can be made effective and we embedded ours into full time military units when deployed which was very successful, peacetime though I think they'd just give everyone the irrits and be more of a boat anchor than anything else.

Guess we could stick them in the navy for the lulz, that way they can't run away...
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>>61318451
>That video of the aussie SAS executing some guy in a field
>The story about them doing shoeies out of a prosthetic leg they stole from some taliban guy
>This
They really are something else aren't they?
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>>61330070
If by something else you mean the last remnants of the warrior caste then yeah
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>>61327895
>as long as you were apart of the ubermensch group anyway
Ubermensch is the wrong term, but the in-group included the whole German nation as well as members of neighboring nations. Even the historically hated Poles could own land and business in Germany.
If you weren't a pedophile, a faggot or some other sort of subversive, I don't think there'd be much to worry about, even if you weren't pro-Hitler. I obviously didn't experience it, but I don't get the impression that it was anything like life in the Comblock with Stasi agents listening in on every conversation, nor like the West nowadays, with neo-Stasi agents listening in on every conversation.
>I mean..at that point Hitler had invaded
Yes, one can easily argue that some of these operations had pretty bad optics. You should note that those lands were German two decades prior and were still full of ethnic Germans. If Hitler had conquered a foreign nation that wasn't sitting on German land and holding German minorities, I'd agree that it was expansionism.
However, Britain and France, owning most of the world between them, don't really have any arguments as to why wars of conquests are morally indefensible, even if Hitler had waged such wars. And note that they were perfectly happy to let their valiant ally the Soviet Union grab Poland at the tail end of the war, which clearly shows that they didn't actually give a shit about Poland or expansionism on the continent.
Anyway, there's some interesting diplomatic stuff going on in the lead up to the British declaration of war, and Hitler was under the impression that Britain and France wouldn't declare war over his reconquista of German lands (and they refused to even consider his extraordinarily gracious peace proposals). But all of this is nitty gritty historical details, and we'll never be fully privy to the entire truth. It doesn't change the worldview itself. We must primarily judge a political doctrine based on its peace-time performance IMO.
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>>61318037
Like every other Western nation except Finland, they need to focus on their mobilization structures to develop mass, ditch gun control measures that prevent citizens from acquiring semiautomatic rifles of a military character and enfranchise citizens to take an active role in national defense. Australia doesn't have to worry about imminent ground invasion, so they can keep their peacetime army small... Same with Canada, New Zealand, the UK and the US, and focus on their navy and air force... But the ability to rapidly call arm, train and equip large numbers of people in the event of war is critically important. They should also start the process of stockpiling arms and ammunition, with a high maintenance budget, so that these can be used to arm the mobilized in the event of a major conflict. Every Western nation needs to loosen up gun laws so that the citizen can engage in sport shooting to develop familiarity and competency before a major war breaks out, reducing the learning curve while also guaranteeing that there is a vast, privately owned, stockpile of small arms in the country in the event supply chain issues threaten the ability to manufacture more or, God forbid, an enemy army finds itself on Australian soil and the people are required to fight a guerrilla war.

Beyond that, it should be necessary for Australia, and all Western nations, to engage with the civilian shooting sports world to develop systems of organization and trust that would persist in the event of an enemy invasion... Similar to the Lithuanian Rifleman's Union, or the Finnish government's sponsorship of light infantry events. The government should also provide tax incentives for civilians to purchase approved fighting rifles and kit, from a list for the sake of compatibility.
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>>61327895
>Total Alchy Death
Then simply make the Aussie version of National Socialism that includes a ton of drinking. Australians aren't German, and the manifestation of National Socialism will always be unique to the people involved. Austranazis probably won't have swanky leather boots and woolen greatcoats either, or sing Erika or whatever. NS is not a German-LARP, but a self-LARP. A people should be the best version of itself and strive to become better every generation, in whatever form that takes for that people.
>>61327911
>It just seems that the vast majority (not all) of authoritarian systems eventually get subverted or just break down.
Time is always the ultimate victor. But that argument is the same as "well we all die, so why bother eating healthily and procreating". I remember when I felt that way myself, but that nihilism is caused by all the unnatural subversion we experience (cutting out the drink, the porn, the smokes, the netflix, the shit food and the vidya was a huge help). A healthy organism wants to live and breed. That applies on the individual level as much as it does on the collective level. The wolf pack or chimp troop has an authoritarian leadership structure which eventually will break down when the lead animal becomes to old or retarded, in which case another wolf or chimp takes over. But the wolves and chimps don't start pretending that they're the same as the other animals, or that they should let the females and cubs vote or whatever - because they're not as subverted as we are. Animals in the wild are NS. Their nations are their packs and troops.
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>>61327911
>It just kinda seems like a cop out, that if you make the requirements to be fully white then you won’t have any members of a Aus NatSoc group since the majority of the old families here have an abo or two somewhere in the family tree.
I don't know if that's true, but let's assume it is. Then Aus NatSoc will take on a different characteristic from British NatSoc because of it, which is perfectly fine. American NatSoc should look different from British and German NatSoc too, even if Americans are largely British and German. Argentinians have some Amerind admixture. Finns have some Asian admixture. Spaniards have some MENA admixture. That's fine. They're still distinct peoples, who should - under natural conditions - care about their existence and future as those peoples. In case of non-White admixture, the NS worldview would tend to argue that the admixture in the population as a whole should not increase beyond its current amounts, as the White genetics are seen as more desireable and more true to the core of the people's identity (for White people, that is).
>>61327912
Sounds bretty based bruv
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>>61324871
Process and add value to our own minerals ourselves, all the tech and talent to do so exists in our universities.
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>>61318037
Cull 80% of the Senior ranks.
Army has so many LTCOL and Above that there are enough to form 14-man Sections of 1 Brass and 11 diggers. With 2 x WO1&2s as Section2IC and No1 Rifleman.
Srsly, that's how rank-bloated they are.
RAN has more Admirals than it has boats, not just warships. If every Admiral had to be on a 'Flagship' the latecomers would be on RHIBs.
RAAF is slightly better off, but still every Wing Commander would have a Wing with one aircraft in it.
And that rank bloat sucks up the majority of the ADF personnel budget, plus its not just their salaries - every Brass needs a staff officer, an admin bitch, a ReggieFuck, plus Drivers and their Mess budget.
And bring back DFRDB at 20 years as a mandatory cut-off.
If you think the current ratios are bad now, under MSBS there was no incentive to get out before 60, under the new ADFSuper they are all forced to stay 'soldiering' at a desk until 67 or maybe 70.
While promoting more MAJs to LTCOLs etc to keep the incentive going for those at the bottom of the Officer/SNCO piles to keep moving up.
Fuck off senior ranks transferring to the Choxx.
The median age in ARA is 25, in ARes 42 - because they retire to grab the pension but stay Sercat3 and keep doing bullshit fake project work when as above there are already too many deskwankers.

Ideal plan:
>get 6 Nuke subs, load them up with tubelaunch missiles
>double-crew them for 5 continuously at sea
>mandatory 5 years Choxx at 18-23, guns at home Swiss-style, organised in town or district Companies for local defence plus bushfires etc, no officers above regional LtCols.
>No ARA units except Socomd, a small General Staff and technical specialists like 1930s CMF - volunteers selected from Chox
>reserve RAAF of C130s and Helos for emergencies
If WW3, spam Chinks with sub missiles, send SF for precise ops, chox defend their patch of the mainland.
If WW3 lasts longer than 3months, raise a 3rdAIF of volunteers from Chox.
Simple, cheap, no bullshit or timewasters
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>>61330070
They're an elite fighting force who are very very good at killing, which is exactly what we need.
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>>61330610
Seeing as Australia is mostly meth addict lunatics nowadays loosening the gun laws would actually make Mad Max become a reality.
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>>61330698
>since the majority of the old families here have an abo or two somewhere in the family tree.
5 Generations all white Anglo-Kraut Aussies with records from their arrival, plus beyound.
The only cunts with a 0.2% abo-score are lefties who want to invent shit to join the Tikkabox tribe.
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>>61331680
>You say that like its a bad thing.
Oz literally has only one working oil-well and refinery compound out at Eromanga in Qld.
Ready for Lord Humungus to rule, and own the precious Juice.
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>>61318077
>race segregated penal battalions
>everyone gets a owen gun, 5 stick mags, and 5 grenades
No petrol for abbos? They need fuel to function.
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The ADF and especially Army is understaffed, and officer-heavy, but at least new equipment is here or coming.
More Abrams tanks + engineering and bridgelayers
Boxer CRV replaced LAV
K9 SPG
AS-21 IFV to replace the M113
Better radios
SHORAD with NASAMS 2
Light, medium and heavy landing craft coming
Land based anti-ship mobile launchers coming

Lots of munitions for air force
Hardened and updated northern airfields
Latest updates to aircraft

6 new frigates
11 new light frigates to replace ANZAC class
Earlier introduction of destroyer replacement program for the 3 Hobarts
Autonomous missile barge (distant future)
3 Virginia class subs + 4-6 'based here' foreign submarines
Nuclear submarines to replace the Collins class

Various network, space, cyber and intelligence gathering programs
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>>61333374
Cyber warfare capability is a very important thing that gets overlooked. it's something we need significant investment in to counter China. Also public executions for any government employees or politicians who are Chinese agents and deport any Chinese citizens who are loyal to the CCP.
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>>61330610
You're correct. The only problem is the culture shock of suddenly ditching the gun control measures. It'd have to be a gradual process. I think it would certainly be good to begin by getting rid of the arbitrary licensing categories, making it a single may-issue permit for all firearms. Then a shall-issue. Then deregulation when the culture catches up.
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>>61329119
>It doesn't make sense to invest in something like the F-35
Nah, it's literally the only move forward we have. The RAAF is a fairly small air force and needs every edge it can get. The F-35 is ideal for their needs.
Multirole as fuck, easily interoperable with allies, VLO and affordable enough to replace the legacy bugs on a (roughly) 1:1 basis. They can't afford something extravagant like the Raptor even if it was for sale, but also can't significantly expand in size to make more 4.5 gens a better choice. That's also why they're bankrolling Boeing's Loyal Wingman program instead of just waiting for the US UCAV programs to deliver a suitable fighter companion and buying that. Anything that provides an outsized edge for the amount of manpower involved is critical.
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>>61334994
The only problem with the F35 is that Australia has fuck all plan to seize, control and defend airfields north of Australia, so that the fucking navy can get some fucking air cover.
It is one of our biggest weaknesses. We can't provide meaningful air cover to the navy.
>Loyal Wingman
US is already ditching it because it is too small and doesn't carry munitions. Wake me up when we get Wingman 2.0
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>>61335167
We need a Pacific carrier fleet, or at the minimum LHDs with F35Bs like the USMC. It will never happen though.
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complete disbandment of the Army.
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>>61335212
>It will never happen though.
Not with that attitude
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>>61335212
Those would be a massive waste and tie up our fleet into one group all the time. A bit silly.

Better off investing into a plan to seize and heavily fortify an airfield in Indonesia. But as we know, Australia also lacks air defence.
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>>61318037
Stop recruting colonizer YTs and let proud immigrant heroes run the armed forces. Don't fire existing ones, make them go do no knock raids in Gaza or eat artillery shells for Oinkranians.
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>>61335167
Why can't Australia afford the F-15SEX? It's basically a modern-day F-111
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>>61335275
We can't afford anything that isn't directly shoveling money into the pockets of domestic plutocrats
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>>61335249
Post hands.
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>>61335302
Extravagantly brown. When will crackers get it cumskin is a genetic abnormality and literally vanishes in one generation of proper non-incestous breeding
>>61318037
For seriously they should get n0000ks and call it a day. All of their energy should go to their navy and airforce. ASMs on F35 would be yummy. Chinks cant really run a ground invasion if they're all starving and overheating.
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START THE FUCKIN CAR SHAZZA
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>>61318037
Put those based SASR edgelords in charge of the entire thing.
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>>61335275
Price probably wouldn't be an issue there, it's more that the RAAF figures VLO is the more valuable capability these days. 72 stealth fifth gens is a pretty serious edge in the region, though like the other anon said, forward deployment is an open question. Probably a heavy assumption of allied air power, particularly the USN, picking up a lot of slack there if things got hot.
Also, just learned that there's actually significantly more F-35s than Superbugs in the RAAF now.
Weird.
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>>61335351
This is why racism exists.
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>>61335415
Pretty sure there's only 24 Super Hornets, not sure if that also includes Growlers.
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>>61335422
Yeah, I've just had the legacy bugs being the backbone of the fleet in my head so long that I didn't realise how dramatically the makeup had shifted.
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>>61335415
Come to think of it, the RAAF operates more stealth/fifth gen fighters than the mighty Russian air forces.
That's pretty funny.
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>>61335438
Mental illness or subhuman genes?
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>>61325113
>25% seems an awfully high percentage.
I mean, when you have a high chance one of your parents gets deportes or killed for statistic reasons...
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>>61325385
>That's a ridiculous argument.
I will write it for you because I know where this is going:
>all the historical evidence of governments becoming more extreme are jews fabrications to manipulate people, unless I don't like that government and obviously you can see their degeneracy in all these laws made against guys like me.
There you go.
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>>61327933
*cough* uyghurs *cough*
*cough* funding islamist terrorism *cough*
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>>61327933
The only shared interest Australia and Indonesia have is against China. Other that that, Australia's interference in Indonesia's domestic affairs (Papua and in the past Timor Timur) and alignment with the US and Zionist entity is an affront to Indonesia's regional leadership and "bebas aktif" (independent and active) nonaligned foreign policy. Australian is also not fully trusted by Indonesia and to a lesser extent Malaysia because they've made it clear they would side with Singapore against Malaysia and with Singapore/Malaysia against Indonesia if it came down to a conflict.

If Australia wants good relations with Indonesia it needs to stop acting as American deputy sheriff and sucking up to Israel
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>>61318037
Fuck off the civvie contractors and work on skill retention.
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>>61336193
How much do you get paid to post? It must be very little, considering how you are AWLAYS in Australian threads.
Indonesia will be a 'useful idiot' when war comes with China.
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>>61336193
>>61336193
>Papua and in the past Timor Timur
But you invaded them, how is that a domestic problem?
If I barge into the neighbour’s house, bash them and raped anything that moved, and then claimed that the house now belongs to me and has always belonged to me because my former landlord also owned said house then that isn’t a domestic issue, that’s me being an agro cunt.
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>>61336506
No anon, it's imperialism. You can tell by how they acted with the authority and backing of the vast majority of the international community to protect an occupied people attempting to transition back to self-rule.
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>>61320124

do you have a link to hd vids of the lockdown protestors? have fond memories of watching camo dudes absolutely shitwreck tradies on bridge day
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>>61330211
>>61331658

>brings a defamation suit
>dismissed, found to have committed 4 murders
>fucks off to Bali like a coward instead of being there for the.judgement

what did he mean by this
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>>61337323
What is it with daft cunts and deformation suit self-owns at the moment?
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>>61337686
Brains rotting in social media echo chambers, its probably their new words for the week or some shit
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>>61318037
Get rid of the Australians would be a start
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>>61320212
>ustralian Army is the highest paid Army in the world by literally tens of thousands of dollars per year
Rest of the world doesnt matter, cunt. Talking about Australia. 80 thousand before tax doesnt cut it, with our cost of living.
>northern australia is pretty fucking unpleasant place to be but it's the most useful place to have a military presence
Darwin is the tits(for a bit) and top end is important. HOWEVER, you can also have combat ARA down south in cities where digs want to live.
During war, they can go take a hike north.
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>>61344336
>Darwin is the tits(for a bit) and top end is important. HOWEVER, you can also have combat ARA down south in cities where digs want to live.
During war, they can go take a hike north.
NO STOP YOURE MAKING TOO MUCH SENSE
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>>61333418
>Cyber warfare capability is a very important thing that gets overlooked.
it's not overlooked. it's over emphasised.
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>>61344397
>NO STOP YOURE MAKING TOO MUCH SENSE
Ever wonder why Brisbane is the choice posting? Wonder why most digs come from QLD? The stucco swilling decision makers that cant grasp, the tidal wave of recruits that would come with just the chance of getting a Syd/Melb posting, so they can be close to senpai and friends.
>but muh north approach
Doesnt mean they'd all get it. Plenty can still be fucked offed to Topend or Townsville.
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>>61344487
>senpai
lol *f a m i ly
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>>61344336
Getting into a pay arms-race with FIFO just leaves the ADF's budget looking like the Bundeswehr's. Billions of dollars spent but no capability to show for it.
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>>61344585
>Getting into a pay arms-race with FIFO
No. Just pay digs enough to keep up with the crazy cost of living.
Your indolent attitude is why cunts leave or won't bother to try. BTW pussers get fifo pay

>Billions of dollars spent but no capability to show for it.
You are a fucking idiot. People are capability. We're spending billions and hundreds of millions, blowing out, on bases and new equipment. Pussers already get good pay. Army digs need the same.
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>>61324947
Is this a parody of something
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>>61331625
> guns at home Swiss-style

Burglaries targeting/looking for these households will skyrocket, then eventually gang violence with it
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>>61318037
Destroy the buckets
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>>61318037
>How would you reform the Australian military?
Purge all the fat useless WO’s, SGT’s and O’s then use the saved money to build or purchase ICBM’s.
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>>61335369
chuckled
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>>61331625
Classic Prices Law, 10% of the workforce does 90% of the work.
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>>61333374
These have been “coming” for the last 2 decades, nothing worse than being a digger operating a vehicle twice your age.



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