Why do retards act like hunting is evil when there are more deer alive today than at any other point in the history of North America? Same thing with ducks. all migratory birds are down like 1/3rd or 2/3rds since the 70s, but ducks and animals that live in the same environment as ducks have not seen their numbers drop. the main reason there is any conservation at all in the US is because of hunters.
>>62858520who says hunting is evil? why are you taking it so personally?
>>62858520>Why do retardsYou answered your own question in three words. If they weren't retards they wouldn't act the way that they do.
I don't think anyone thinks it's evil. Only gungrabber leftoids retards hate it because white people do it. Now hunting endangered animals just so you can mount their head on your wall is a little sinister.
>>62858520Why would the goodness or evil-ness of something be based on the population density?
>>62858535Not even gungrabber lefties hate hunting. They always try to separate hunting weapons from other types>you don't need an AR15 to hunt!
>>62858527retards on the internet
>>62858542any animal that is hunted sees massive conservation efforts and their numbers go up. any animal that isn't hunted sees their environment destroyed and they are culled for being pests
>>62858520Shouldn't have killed all the wolves
>>62858520The totally unregulated and industrialized hunting of the past was evil in a 'this is destroying a massive part of nature' way but modern stuff is fine due to what you say, modern conservatism heralded by recreational hunters
>>62858545They hate hunting too and intend to grab all the other guns afterwards; hunting is just the other half of their motte-and-bailey argument, to sound more reasonable than they actually are (until they're confident enough to start saying the quiet part out loud).
>>62858576Speaking of which, this is an amazing article from a time when Sports Illustrated actually had good writers.https://vault.si.com/vault/1972/05/22/the-game-hog-of-dallowgill>In the 71 years Ripon lived he killed 556,813 head of game, from snipe to rhinoceros, including over a quarter of a million pheasant. Even assuming he'd shot for six days a week during every season from the time he was 15, it would have meant killing an average of 67 creatures every day. Most days he did much better than average.
I like animals and don't want them to be killed needlessly.
>>62858606Yeah it's hard to overstate how much wildlife is just gone now. It makes a lot more sense how early man could survive as hunter/gatherers when there were these massive stocks of birds, ground life, fish just everywhere. Nowadays almost all fish inland is artificially stocked. https://www.mountvernon.org/the-estate-gardens/historic-trades/fisheries/history-of-fishing-in-the-potomac-river
>>62858630What if I always eat what I kill...
>>62858520>Why do retards act like murder is evil when there are more people alive today than at any other point in the history of North America? I don't have a dog in this fight but the logic here is silly
>>62858532/thread
>>62858520Because 95%+ of people only ever see their meat coming from a supermarket in styrofoam trays wrapped in plastic. They are completely detached with the idea that what they are eating was once alive. It's pretty sad.
>>62858520>hunting is evilThere is nothing wrong with hunting so long as you eat what you kill. Trophy hunting is degenerate.
It's weirder that some of these people are okay with it as long as you use a spear or bow.
>>62858684If you live in the middle of tundra, fuck knows out where, and it's your only way to get food.Sure, I don't care.
>>62858750Not really, plenty of animals like coyote, wolves, and bear should be hunted for trophies since their meat is shit and full of worms. I have dozens of their skulls laying about, hunting bear in cranberry bogs in particular if fun. Killing is fun, the chase is fun, hunting is just plain fun. If I kill without causing undue suffering it is only because that displays more skill, I only shoot for the neck on deer for example. I've probably killed thousands of game animals by this point. Never got a Turkey though, I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time, I'm cursed.Hogs can simply be slaughtered with whatever means you like, up to and including placing Tannerite near bait and shooting it. People who think flicking pain and death on animals isn't fun aren't men in my opinion; you're all here because you think the application of force and violence is cool, I'm just honest about it. War and killing in general, and contemplating the means of killing, is intellectually stimulating like no other activity because it has the most impactful results and releases more energy in a shorter period of time than any other activity.
>>62858576Modern hunting still wants this. It's only kept in check by oppositional regulation.For fuck sake we almost hunted rhino's to extinction for sport and chink remedies.
>>62858684A good way to ensure it didn't die in vain or to cope with the act of killing
>>62858793>Not really, plenty of animals like coyote, wolves, and bearEh, I consider that to be more a case of culling rather than hunting, but I admit that that's just splitting hairs.
>>62858520>thread posted 2 hours agohttps://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/s/S6GXHrzFdq>posted four hours ago
>>62858630Protip: once somethings born it's gonna die, the only question is when and how
>>62858566>conservationNot really anti-hunting, but this genuinely needs to stop being a talking point. Regulations making you pay people who perform game upkeep doesn’t make you a “conservationist” and an extreme minority of hunters would pay those fees if they didn’t have to.It’s little more than an attempt to obfuscate the issue with emotions while leaning on regulatory bodies that are often derided by the same people who claim to work with them.
>>62858527killing for fun is evil. not all hunting is evil, but killing for fun is
>>62858834There is a retard that makes these threads and it's the same faggot that spams calling everyone else reddit.
>>62858859A lot of hunters/fishermen voluntarily join conservation organizations, like Ducks Unlimited or their state's Coastal Conservation Association. And whether the fees are mandatory or not, fact is that tag and trophy fees do fund conservation, in some cases they are among the only sources of conservation funding. If some rich fuck flies to Africa and pays a $500k trophy fee for an elephant that money goes really fucking far.
>>62858725The fact you have equated animals to people is amusing given yourr line of logic.
>>62858527OP came here directly from Reddit. I will admit that I also saw this picture on the front page of Reddit today. I may be a faggot, but I'm taking OP down with me.
>>62858873Point me at your sacred text because if you are going to appeal to me through liberal talking points I have terrible news for you.
>>62858834>>62858876nah, you gay
>>62858859retardo, basically all conservation efforts are funded exclusively by hunters
>>62858903You could extend this to other things if you dislike the murder exampleThere are more goods in the world now than ever before, does that excuse stealing?
>>62858520I don't think I know anybody who thinks hunting is evil. Even the vegans I know respect it to some degree. Kind of like "Well at least you're doing it as humane as possible and helping the environment, instead of buying it from a store."
>>62858793I heard bear meat is actually pretty good when plants (particularly fruits) are abundant, because bears will have a mostly vegetarian diet when possible (foraging is easier than hunting). Can't confirm it myself though.
>>62858535Depends where you are. In the UK hunting is seen as a class thing, including deer hunting which is just wildlife management and rabbit hunting which is pest control. We have bleeding heart types who will try to protect foxes and badgers so they can kill chickens and spread TB to cattle only to whinge about the consequences later.
>>62858873Naht. Varmint hunter
>>62859391>only to whinge about the consequences laterThat's the thing; none of them live in the country so none of them ever see the consequences. They just get a warm happy glow of self-righteousness as they live in their urban hellscapes.
>>62858806>For fuck sake we almost hunted rhino's to extinction for sport and chink remedies.We? DinduNuthin' (future doctors and engineers) poachers did it to sell to the Chinese after they were done burning their forests to sell as charcoal.
>>62858520Because they're stupid.Something is wrong with most humans today. They eat meat yet think killing animals is evil. I think everyone, every single person, should have to kill an animal with their own two hands at least once in their life.
>>62858873>killing for fun is evil.Why?
>>62860150The Bible emphasizes responsible stewardship and compassion toward God's creation
>>62860312And? Not once in the entire Bible is hunting for sport considered a negative. You'd think it would have come up somewhere along the line, what, God has time to specify whether textile blends are permitted but not hunting?>n-no totally the bronze age wargod who regularly demands genocide and the extermination of infants wouldn't like it if you killed a deer :(shut up faggot, stop trying to pretend your modern morality that developed within the last 50 years of human existence has anything to do with a two thousand year old religion that has not one reference to your nonsense.
>>62858630Animals are tasty
>>62858520idk but i dont feel any sense of pride or joy when i shoot a deer. on the contrary i feel sad that a healthy beautiful animal lost its life, but i also like meat and im not going to be vegan. if that, then hunting is the better choice and i at least see the life of the animal i took up close instead of it never entering my mind.
hunting isn't evil, hunters are. every hunter i've met has been some subhuman callous fucking retard who obviously just enjoys killing things. arguments made to support hunting, regardless of their actual merit, are always just self-excusing justifications for the cruel and destructive impulses of scum.if deer need to be killed then sure, kill deer. but i'd rather it be done by professionals than a bunch of fucking hicks, even if they have to be paid to do it. and i don't trust what hunters tell me because they lie. anyone who has spent time around hunters will agree.
>>62858520One of the best ways of detecting a sociopathic/psychopathic child who is likely to be a danger to others is an early fixation with hurting and killing animals. This absolutely extends towards hunters. It is true that hunters put a lot more resources into genuine conservation efforts than a lot of other collective cohorts one could bring up, but most of that is just through license taxes. The petty personal interest between hunter-prey is clear. It's more that people are generally shitty, and unless we have a personal stake we aren't likely to invest many resources in 'maintaining the commons'. A person hunting primitive animals for their hungry family's welfare is an unquestionable justification, but that doesn't describe 90%+ of modern hunting. Even eating what you kill is still spreading the strife of pain and death intentionally, but it's definitely more excusable than eating slaughterhouse meat. There's a whole can of worms argument about hunting as a form of ecological management, but wouldn't it be better to manage our ecology towards a more utopian system with less suffering? If we have 'dominion over the animals', perhaps we should use it to bring about something better, rather than perpetuating the savagery we see around us. I'm not religious or trying to make a theological argument, but it's fundamentally very 'Satanic' to want to kill and cause suffering as an impulse without direct need. Jesus made the lions lie down with the lambs in peace. Even if there is no supernatural beyond, what moral argument could you try to muster against an alien that seeks to hunt and 'cull' humans for their own amusement and 'ecological management of the overburdened Earth'? What if advanced aliens tried to industrially farm us in concentration camp conditions, would that not be justified?
>>62860883shut the fuck up faggot!!
>>62861151Good talk.
>>62860883>but wouldn't it be better to manage our ecology towards a more utopian system with less suffering?Arguably, but you're essentially asking the government to engineer a new ecology when that shit is only marginally understood even today. We're only barely keeping up with the ecological problems caused by frequent international travel (Japenese gold beetles say high).
>>62858806>>62860142This. Do not put white people in the same boat as African subhumans and Chinese bugmen.
>>62860883People who do not operate from an anthropocentric view should be gassed desu.
>>62858585History has thousands of times more people killed because they were unarmed than school shootings which btw has inflated numbers because of gang related stuffAlso nice numbers
>>62860702>>62860883>yuro time>yuro posting
>>62861333You're not wrong, and you also see a lot of conserving/ecological balancing efforts cause more harm than good, or are just ineffective. But baby has to walk before it can run. The only reason you can bite into a crisp, juicy apple is because of centuries of horticulture to make those mealy suckers good for something other than cider. Careful steps are the solution to avoiding a bad fall, not paralyzing inaction or an eternity of crawling.>>62861399Weak men who have nothing to say but snide little snipes should be gassed.>>62861506I'm actually just trying to wake up earlier to follow the daylight hours.
>>62860150>>62858917>>62859393Life is precious and should not be treated as a means to an end, lest you incur the same fate for yourself
>>62858566You can conserve without hunting. Never understood this tired trope. I have nothing against (subsistence) hunting, but don't act like hunters are necessary to save da animalz
>>62858857Dying needlessly is wack though
>>62861833there is no conservation funding without hunting. no one gives a shit about animals. case and point, the population of ducks and other waterfowl are fine but we have lost like 1/3rd of all birds since the 70s that aren't ducks
>>62860883Grass is a living thing and feels pain and fear when eaten or trod on. Give it up, life on Earth is necessarily cruel.
>>62861875Taxes and regulations. Same as usual. Conservation and hunting are not a package deal, sorry sweaty.
>>62861888there is no political will for conservation without hunting and hunters, retardo
>>62861888Kek, you have no idea how much more hunters pay into the system than taxes spread out through the populace. Also, preservation vs conservation, you are a preservationist and thusly a fucking retard.
>>62858630Me either. But they won't jump on your plate voluntarily.Also sometimes there's just too much competition. I've decided to go shoot crows for competition and to clean up some space for the meatier game.
>>62861364Passenger pigeons were hunted to extinction bugmen style.
>>62860883One of the only sane posters itt. Keep fighting the good fight brother - the ones who attack you feel their underdeveloped worldviews are threatened by what you day.I have hunted and eaten everything I've killed, but I disagree with nothing in your post. They are compatible and non-contradictory.
>>62858806>For fuck sake we almost hunted rhino's to extinction for sport and chink remedies.>weSUBHUMAN ALERT
>>62858806>we
>>62860883When I was a small child I'd happily squash bugs. If I saw any caterpillar Id smash it with something heavy. It was like a primate urge. I grew out of that as a kid but hunting if fine. Get a grip, pussy.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyW92Y568g8
>>62858754They just have "you're not a real man if you use X" mentality, typical for sheltered urbanites. Real men don't make camping trips with lots of gear, they SURVIVE and if you don't SURVIVE, you're a PUSSY. If you hunt with a gun, you're a PUSSY, A HACK AND A CHEAT.
>>62861810The imperative to explore and expand human compassion is at the heart of Do Androids Dream. It gets lost or at least downplayed into the broader theme of what makes us human? in the film adaptation. Anyway, I'm extremely distrtful of people who visit cruelty upon animals.
>>62858520
>>62862493This reminds me of a well-forgotten pasta from russian segment of LJ: Imagine a large passenger train that goes from Helsinki to Moscow. Because of a track accident near Novgorod, the train takes the detour to Pskov. And one of the passengers is a sheltered, well dressed rich girl, in a state of panic. She's constantly calling her mom: "You want to send a cab for me? I don't even know where we are! There's nothing but fences and cow sheds! Mom, we're in hell!"
>>62858520>the main reason there is any conservation at all in the US is because of hunters.Good post OP.
>>62862227The Irish aren't white.
>>62861542Fundamentally, tour post speaks from an anti-human perspective. Why should I care what drivel you spout when you aren't on Team Humanity?
>>62862544Back in the 1980s my dad was a taxi driver.He picked up a middle-aged Japanese businessman from the airport located about half an hours drive from the second largest city in the country.The man wanted a ride to a fancy hotel in the city, didn't speak the local language or English, he just handed over a note with the address of the hotel written on it.After just a couple minutes the guy starts huffing and puffing, acting generally stressed.15 minutes into the car ride the guy is having a full blown panic attack and looks genuinely sick.My dad got super worried and just drove the guy to the nearest hospital instead of taking him to the hotel. My dad had to carry the guy into the hotel reception because he couldn't even walk on his own.Turned out the Japanese guy had never been outside Tokyo before, and the short drive through a densely forested area freaked him the hell out.To this man, a simple drive through a nice harmless forest was like being driven across a dangerous alien planet.
>>62863386Haha, sounds like an old movie gag.https://youtu.be/LwVux6-pgfo?si=Tgi7sxGIm7fdTmrF
>>62858520Hunting in of itself isn't evil or wrong if you do it to feed you and your family but if you go out of your way to harm or kill something with no justifiable reason for doing so, Then there's something wrong with you.
objectively killing a sentient thing is not very nice, especially when you have easy alternatives. nowadays its actually beneficial for humanity as a whole to stop eating meat.
>>62861900When has that ever stopped politicians, retardo?>62861902^ This fucking retard can't read ^>>62862450Future serial killer
>>62858520>there are more deer alive today than at any other point in the history of North America?And why is that? The culling of mountain lions has lead to exponential rise in deer populations, which in turn has lead to them overeating and destabilising ecosystemsIt's not evil, but it can be irresponsible
>>62863318>The Irish aren't white.So odds are neither are you!
>>62863658>t.nogunz
>>62860883I think shooting animals solely for the sake of shooting them is questionable at best. There's nothing wrong with enjoying the act of hunting, though, and I think it's perfectly moral to trophy hunt deer given how overpopulated they are, and I think a lot of the time people are dumb about meat "going to waste" when it'll still feed the local scavengers and decomposers. On the other hand I think people should have a greater understanding of their place in the ecosystem than "we're the predator at top", and on that note I don't think people should kill wolves or bears for any reason other than self-defense.
>>62863658>When has that ever stopped politiciansall the fucking time. they aren't going to spend money that could be going to their cronies or buying votes from blacks on animals and shit without political will
>>62858520>Why do retards act like hunting is evil when there are more deer alive todayBecause their main source of predation, i.e, mountain lions (or whatever name you want to use) have been killed off, environment destroyed until there is basically none left and GoPro retards love to go near a cave where a mother lion has been seen so they can go>OMG I WAS ATTACKED UNPROVOKED BY A MOUNTAIN LION THANKFULLY I HAD MY COCKTECH [insert type of firearm here] AND I BLEW THAT SUCKER AWAY WATCH LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE FOR MORE TOTALLY UNPLANNED ENCOUNTERS WITH THE WILD!I'll use the UK as an example.>kill off all wolves>kill off all the bears>no native predators remain to hunt medium/large prey like deer>deer populations rise>deer eat shrubs and young trees>deforestation occurs>now have to hire hunters to protect saplings that had to be planted due to soil erosion due to lack of trees and climate changes in the area washing away tons of stuff... which fucks the water, which fucks the plants, which fucks the insects, which fucks the fish, which fucks water birds, which fucks predatory birds... And so on. This is why people are demanding that wolves are reintroduced into the Highlands to help control deer population, but that won't happen because people will demand easier access to firearms and Scotland is the most cucked part of the UK regarding firearms.Just an example of how you remove one thing and it can fuck so many other things. So your comment on 'muh deer population' is peak Dunning-Kruger that I think you should be used as an example in textbooks explaining the definition of the term.
>>62858857Listen buddy im not saying youre wrong but you havent met me
>>62858857>once somethings born it's gonna diehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrniiThey're biologically immortal, so, no.
>>62864244self defense shooting a cougar isn't hunting, global warming isn't real, you are a queer
>>62864244>eurofag>furry>has shit opinionsWow surprise
>>62859374Spring bear is good, fall bear tastes like garbage. If you're trying to eat black bears that live off landfills then don't expect them to ever taste good. You need to cook it well done cuz trichinosis but I've never seen worms or visible parasites. In Alaska we bait them with a bucket full of fake maple syrup and marshmallows and whatnot. Shooting from a blind is not that fun of a hunt desu.
>>62863318There were more than just the Irish in that range.
>>62858520A really funny impact of conservation is the Canadian Seal crisis. Canada introduced such strict regulations on Seal clubbing that it caused a bunch of the native Seal populations to explode. To the point where the Seals are now so populous in hard to reach parts of the northern islands/coasts, that they're annihilating the fish and crustacean populations, and we physically cannot send enough people that far north to fucking kill as many as we need to.
>>62863653Might as well file down your canines while you're at it. Enjoy your iron deficiency.>>62863996My blood is 100% Norwegian :^)>>62864856Scots aren't white either.
>>62865285>My blood is 100% Norwegianthat means you're like 30% Scottish 70% Irish
Hunting for food is understandable. I don't personally have the stomach for it, but I'm not going to condemn anybody for it either.Hunting for sport is always cringe however.
>>62858520I do agree with you that hunting and fishing are huge industries and and contribute a great deal to the population. In fact I think they are a corner stone of our existence and should never go away, but modern deer populations have more to do with their main predators being hunted for sport or safety to the brink of extinction. Water fowl are also less likely to collide with large glass buildings than other families of birds.
>>62858520Don't care about the queer arguments ITT; shot this yearling doe on Monday because i hadn't seen anything the prior three days. Meat in the freezer, baby
>>62863386When in WW2 the children got evacuated from London into the countryside, quite a few of them were terrified of the "monsters outside" because they'd never seen a cow before.
>>62865291It's okay if you don't get the distinction, anon. Most non-whites don't get it.
>>62860883> these people are dangerous psychopaths> because children who hurt things for fun> rather than just hunting for sport and food> somehow make hunters bad> also most of the faggots talking about living at peace with nature would let it die out for some more goyslop while villifying hunters> and this I know because :jewish fairytales:The schizos fuck autists, who fuck psychos, who fuck schizos.
>>62863658>When has that ever stopped politicians,When it doesn't benefit them dumbass. Only hunters care about conservatism so they appeal to what the hunters want to get the hunters vote. Nobody. NOBODY else other than PETA gives a shit about animals and no politician takes PETA seriously since their numbers are so miniscule it won't help their election.
>>62866696PETA is also everlastingly retarded and alienate everyone who isn't a vegan.
>>62860312lol.'The cruelty to animals shown by children and Italians is due to the same misunderstanding. The animal, owing to the exigencies of the church catechism, is placed too far below the level of mankind'.
>>62866696PETA will argue that killing rats infesting your house is evil, so nobody likes them.
>>62866337>Water fowl are also less likely to collide with large glass buildings than other families of birds.the scientist on NPR said it was habitat destruction for birds and that we don't destroy water fowl habitats because hunters vote and pay for water fowl habitat conservation
>>62861416I got into an argument with a lefty recently, which made me realize they don't care that people are being killed; just the thing that kills them. I pointed out that most "gun deaths" are mental health problem given that 2/3rds of all people killed with a gun are suicides.They just mocked the total number of people killed with a gun and said I was crazy for suggesting it's a mental health issue. Then grandstanded about how it's honorable to "bring the number down as much as possible" with "common sense gun control"
>>62858630Hunting is literally the most ethical way to produce meat you faggot master
>>62858917>being against killing for fun is a liberal talking point
>>62867207I recall some guy did an experiment on 'finding things disgusting (e.g. carcass with maggots et cetera)'.He found that he could use it to guess people's political leanings; people who did /not/ find things disgusting were leftists.
>>62867219Not him but it really is.Romans killed animals for spectacle in the colussuem.
>>62863653>sentientThere is more to sentience than just being alive.
>>62867224>romans did iti dont see how that vindicates the action
>>62867285>vindicateIt is a liberal talking point not that it is vindicated. Liberal doesn't always mean bad. Hell not wanting child labor is a liberal talking point
>>62867300It's also kind of a stupid point. Kids who don't do any labor, including chores around the house or small businesses like lawn mowing or shoveling snow for the neighbors, end up spoiled and have difficulty functioning in the adult world. Children should be made to labor. I'm not saying working in the mines all day or anything, but having a consequential job where they contribute meaningfully.
>>62866392>quite a few of them were terrified of the "monsters outside" because they'd never seen a cow before>>62866522Anon, don't you know you will NEVER be white enough?>>62867207>I pointed out that most "gun deaths" are mental health problem given that 2/3rds of all people killed with a gun are suicides.I mean your not wrong, but that's what "Red Flag" laws are for; Dude starts humming the theme to M.A.S.H. and you take his guns away temporarily.Get committed to a Psych Ward and they won't let you even have draw strings on your clothes.The rest is restriction and/or registration on high capacity automatic weapons to reduce the ability of some yahoo shooting up a Walmart.>>62867421>Children should be made to labor."The children yearn for the mines!"But while you've got a point, the problem is most kids won't be able to contribute meaningfully enough to be profitable.My uncle was involved with a program where they were having autistics do office paperwork, and while the work they got done was stellar, it took them forever to get it done.
>>62867499>the work they got done was stellar, it took them forever to get it done.I feel personally attacked.
>>62867523>I feel personally attacked.Hey I'm right there with you, but Hyper Capitalism doesn't have time for the autistic artisan when time is MONEY.
>>62867499>Dude starts humming the theme to M.A.S.H. and you take his guns away temporarily.There's the problem tho, it never ends up being temporary, then it turns into "your ex-wife noticed you got the kids in the divorce, so she's told us you can't be trusted with firearms, we'll be taking those away indefinitely", or "you asked your doctor for anti-depressants because you're going through a hard time and need a clear head so you can just keep working and getting by, say goodbye to the tens of thousands of dollars worth of property you bought".All that ends up happening is the definition for a "red flag" gets pushed beyond absurdity, and in turn pushes people that need actual help away from getting it because they now have to choose between the hobby they've likely sunk shitloads of money and time into or chance it on being able to get through on their own.You don't want to open pandora's box on this one, that's how you end up like Canada.
>>62867545You could just pay them proportionally less but then people will freak out about pay discrimination and we'll be right back to not employing them at all because the tradeoffs aren't worth it.Just like my mentally ill employees who need medical leave once or twice a year beyond their normal PTO and who are definitely getting laid off next round because I can't keep paying them the same and having them work 6+ fewer weeks a year when I could hire someone else instead.
>>62867499>I mean your not wrong, but that's what "Red Flag" laws are for; Dude starts humming the theme to M.A.S.H. and you take his guns away temporarily.>Get committed to a Psych Ward and they won't let you even have draw strings on your clothes.red flag laws are so the state can take guns and no knock raid innocent people with zero evidence >The rest is restriction and/or registration on high capacity automatic weapons to reduce the ability of some yahoo shooting up a Walmart.nope. its an attempt to prevent people from fighting back against a tyranical government, fagito
>>62858520Most likely because it's an activity where you go out to kill something for fun. Sure, you eat the meat and the populations need culling, but the main reason people do it, is to kill for fun.I'm not saying I agree that it's evil, but that's the argument.
>>62867702>"your ex-wife noticed you got the kids in the divorce, so she's told us you can't be trusted with firearms, we'll be taking those away indefinitely"Ok that would be counter sueable, if she didn't get the kids then it's likely the Divorce Judge found her less fit for custody.>All that ends up happening is the definition for a "red flag" gets pushed beyond absurdityThat can happen with literally anything.> in turn pushes people that need actual help away from getting it because they now have to choose between the hobby they've likely sunk shitloads of money and time into or chance it on being able to get through on their own.Now this is a good point, since there is still a huge stigma against mental health to begin with, but it also comes across as an excuse to not seek help at all.>>62867747>You could just pay them proportionally less but then people will freak out about pay discriminationIt's called being "Gainfully Employed" something a lot of people these days struggle with considering how shit pay is.>>62868264>nope. its an attempt to prevent people from fighting back against a tyranical government, fagitoYes John Rambo, you can totally take on the National Guard with your three AR-15s and a Bowie Knife... /sarcasm
>>62868630>have a problem>seek treatment>cops show up to your house, strip you of your basic human rights for perpetuity and possibly murder you wow, I wonder why people avoid treatment >Yes John Rambo, you can totally take on the National Guard with your three AR-15s and a Bowie Knife... /sarcasma bunch of goat fuckers defeated the US army. biden literally unconditionally surrendered to them
>>62858520I don't think hunting is evil but trophy hunting/hunting for sports isIf you're going to hunt use every part of the animal
>>62858520Does everyone these days suffer from delusions of persecution?
>>62868663>biden literally unconditionally surrendered to themBig if true. Where is my local Talib? I need him to issue a judgement on the correct location for tall dishes in the dishwasher to settle a dispute with my wife about why some loads come out dirty. Local law-courts and police have been unwilling to hear the matter for some reason. Please respond.
>>62868785https://thehill.com/opinion/international/568348-biden-surrenders-afghanistan-to-terrorists/
>>62864944doubt
>>62868663>trump literally unconditionally surrendered to them
>>62868821nope, it was biden. biden was president
>>62867499red fag laws are literally just a blank check excuse for the state to do whatever they want in regards to stripping you of your firearms, the claims don't even have to be legitimate; it's designed to deprive you of your due process under the guise of "preventing harm", when the harm is just fucking you over permanentlygood luck getting your shit back
>>62868834>nope, it was biden. biden was presidentTrump is the one that ordered the pull out...
>>62868917don't argue with that retard
>>62868791Are you a third worlder? What you linked is not even close to the same meaning of surrender as unconditional surrender. Surrender in that context means to give something (as in "I surrendered $20 to the pizza delivery guy and got fatter"), unconditional surrender means placing yourself at the mercy of your enemy.So where is my mullah you disingenuous faggot?
>>62868834What are you gonna say when muttland enters a recession next year?
>>62868989samefag>>62868917bideen changed the deal and surrendered
>>62869007biden unconditionally surrendered to the taliban retard. the war in afganistan was a total taliban strategic victory>>62869015>the seething faggot who is defending brandon is a yuroyou can't make this shit up. fuck off, this board is for gun owners only
>>62866522>distinctionWent away around 1000 years ago
>>62858750>Trophy hunting is degenerate.Eat my shit. Cougars are overpopulated and decimating deer and elk here, plus a skull and pelt will look cool as fuck on my wall.Fucking stop me nigger.
all this deer talk is making me...curious. anybody have the greentext? you know which one.
>>62858793>hurting animals is fun>t. psychopathyour ancestors hunted to survive. you hunt to satiate bloodlust.
>>62869150>biden unconditionally surrendered to the taliban retardAgain, if there was an unconditional surrender, then why can't I find my local mullah? The big plates can't go in the middle or the spray arm will hit them and the dishes won't be properly washed. This is serious shit and I need a ruling on it asap, because the quran and hadiths are clear that She Who Cannot Stack Dishes is in charge of what happens inside the house, but these dishwasher shenanigans absolutely must be haram and dirty dishes are surely immoral. Are the Taliban stupid or something? Don't they want control of the richest country on earth?
>>62864632I left this thread up and came back and it was still up. Not a Eurofag, retard. I just used the UK as a really good example of how you fuck with one thing and it fucks something else. OP is using 'muh deer population' as proof that hunting is good, when the reality is that the deer population is higher because their predators have been killed off. You make me ashamed to be American with your retardedness.>>62864271I never said it was hunting, retard. But there are a lot of 'self-defence' shootings on youtube by idiots deliberately going into cougar sighting areas or where dens are known or where a mother has been cited DELIBERATELY so they can shoot it when the cougar attacks.
>>62870619>so they can shoot it when the cougar attacks.Based.
>>62870438Thought I had it, but ended up going searching for it.
>>62870619Yes, the predator population has been killed off because they are incompatible with human life, you furry Eurofag retard.
Literally no one has a problem with ACTUAL hunting, ie, killing a game animal as a traditional outdoors activity and getting food, leather and trophies from it. What "liberals" virtue signal over are hunting bros giggling at blowing up small animals .
>>62871635What's wrong with giggling at blowing up small animals?
>>62868630AYO, bruh is DENSEGTFO with this cap frfr
>>62870609you aren't even American, tranni boi. Biden surrendered to the taliban. harris lost. communism lost. you own no guns
>>62870619that isn't hunting you fucking retard
>>62870619>not a yuro>posts during yuro hours yeah you aren't American
>>62863653What do you suppose happens to all the little mice and bunnies when a combine harvester rolls through a wheat field? Do you think getting sucked into a giant industrial blender is a kinder fate than getting shot?
>>62871687>What's wrong with giggling at blowing up small animals?Well it's one of the sure signs you are a sociopath...>>62873038>What do you suppose happens to all the little mice and bunnies when a combine harvester rolls through a wheat field?Do wheat heads get low enough for rabbits?A Corn head they could probably squeeze under...
>>62873188>Well it's one of the sure signs you are a sociopathYou've clearly never popped prairie dogs with a .50 BMG
>>62858576You are kidding yourself if you think recreational hunters/regulated poachers care about maintaining a healthy population, when they get off on finally killing something after hours of evasion. When the population dwindles, they just spend more time hunting. Fishermen are the same way. They simply fish for longer, and senselessly derive satisfaction from having caught something from an overfished pond. It's not about guns. It's about our duty to not fuck things up for ourselves and future generations.One thing that made me laugh recently was Tucker Carlson going hunting. On one hand he complains that America has gone to the dogs, and on the other, he's destroying his local ecosystems and not even eating what he kills. bunch of niggers
>>62867217That's not true at all. We developed farming because hunting leads to starvation to keep us in check, but with this food security, and without sense, we can hunt whenever we like, and cause as much damage as we can to ecosystems.The fat fuck standing next to a deer, as if shooting an animal is hard, should be eating oats or some shit. The whole point of farming is that it's more efficient, and we don't have to do this, because if even a few of us do it now, we have a massive impact.
>>62873376>>62873357No, and go fuck yourself.
>>62864016>t. hypocrite>>62864211Their cronies can be in the conservation sector, and all the budget can be given to them alright. Like I said, when has political will ever stopped politicians? Like you said, when has political will stopped politicians from paying off cronies or buying votes?
what should i do with a deer liver. soak it in milk and pan fry it?
>>62873722>Their cronies can be in the conservation sector, and all the budget can be given to them alright. Like I said, when has political will ever stopped politicians? Like you said, when has political will stopped politicians from paying off cronies or buying votes?their cronies would just be pocketing the money then, retardo. look at countries without hunters. no hunting, no political will for conservation, no conservation.
>>62866696>When it doesn't benefit them dumbassAlways a benefit, dumbass. Just depends on how well they spin things.>Only hunters care about conservatismNo, just ask your local green thumb. I don't hunt but I care. There is no connection between hunting and conserving, one can be done without the other. >>62870207Looking forward to park rangers ventilating you
>>62873766you are a fucking retard. only hunters vote for conservation. only hunters pay for conservation.
>>62873741I guess all the fees hunters are paying also get pocketed to no good end, and thus hunting is actively harmful without any offset whatsoever. That dumbass argument goes both ways retardo. If there's no political will for conservation then hunting won't change that but accelerate the death of their biosphere. Just desserts.>>62873771You are a hypocrite. You don't have to be a hunter to support conservation. Force everyone and suddenly you'll find support.
>>62873785No, and fuck you.>reee you can't hunt because I said so!Will continue to do so, and there is literally nothing you can do about it.
>>62873785>I guess all the fees hunters are paying also get pocketed to no good end, and thus hunting is actively harmful without any offset whatsoever.no you fucking dickless retard. the taxes from pittman robertson tax and hunting stamps legally can only be used for conservation. all that money goes into conservation> That dumbass argument goes both ways retardo. If there's no political will for conservation then hunting won't change that but accelerate the death of their biosphere. Just desserts.there is no political will without hunters. hunters vote for conservation and for their taxes to be earmarked for conservation, no one else does you dickless retard >You are a hypocrite. You don't have to be a hunter to support conservation. Force everyone and suddenly you'll find support.there isn't political will to force everyone you fucking faggot. city cucks aren't going to spend money on that shit when it prevents them from getting welfare. the fucking NAACP protested the apollo missions. the average nonhunter only cares about gibs
>>62873798I can hunt you. You'll make a nice skin rug.https://youtu.be/HR5tNtOGM-8
>>62873813>I can hunt youI fully welcome you to try.
>>62873811>accidentally reveals he's a mart sharterGrim. Anyways you brainless retard, you are missing a dick and missing the point. Conservation can be funded 1000 ways regardless of hunters. Just look at treehugger NGOs >there is no political will without huntersSeems like there's plenty of that given conservation organizations exist. This can also be done regardless of politics and hunters, because of these groups and not because of hunters.>there isn't political will to force everyone you fucking faggotExecutive order go brrrr. That's just one way you double faggot>>62873817Whenever you hear a snapped branch or feel a chill up your spine, just think of me. The only way I'll get through to you is with a .308
>>62873856>admits to being a no gun third worldermust suck being a slave>Conservation can be funded 1000 ways regardless of hunters. Just look at treehugger NGOsthey don't fund shit. only hunters fund and vote for conservation, retardo>Seems like there's plenty of that given conservation organizations exist. This can also be done regardless of politics and hunters, because of these groups and not because of hunters.literally all conservation in the US is funded by hunters, retard >Executive order go brrrr. That's just one way you double faggotholy shit you don't know how the government works. the president can't just spend money that isn't alocated and no democrat is ever going to do conservation, they need to send money to their wallstreet owners anyway, you admitted to not having a gun, a dick or a toilet
>>62873856>Whenever you hear a snapped branch or feel a chill up your spine, just think of meDon't worry, I won't.
>>62858903your"
>>62860671Shut the fuck up vegan lmao
>>62873188The answer would be obvious if you actually looked at a picture of a combine harvester. They don't just cut the heads and leave the stalks in place.
>>62874782Dipshit my dad had a dog die exactly that way, and from your picture I can see it leaves 3-5 inches of wheat stalk, which would give plenty of small rodents clearance to slip under.A good sized rabbit probably couldn't though.
>>62858520I love animals more than people
>>62858520>Why do retards act like hunting is evilbecause generally the issue of ecology is hard to explain to people and the impact of culling predator populations to ensure animal farming is viable to do at a large scale and low risk is non-obvious to people.If deer don't get killed by big cats or wolves, humans need to kill them, because otherwise they cause a lot of harm to the environment.
>>62858630Killing deer is necessary if you like trees.
>>62873873>projects onto othersMust suck being you>they don't fund shit.Oh, because you say so? You don't know shit, retardo>literally all conservation in the US is funded by hunters, retardWho said anything about America, retard?>the president can't just spend money that isn't alocatedHe can order federal agencies say, the Fish and Wildlife service, to focus on conservation using its existing allocated funds. But they already fucking do that.https://factcheck.afp.com/us-presidents-can-spend-tax-dollars-executive-ordersAnyway, you admitted to not having a gun, a dick, a toilet, and a brain. You do have AIDS though.>>62873913Better! Now hold still wanker.
>>62876484>Better! Now hold still wanker.Ok I'm holding still. When is your nogunz retard Eurofag ass going to get here? Never? Yeah that's what I thought.Get your third world ass off my internet subhuman fag.
>>62876484>British furry is still whininglmao I'm eating deer right now, shot a fox this morning.
>>62876484>reddit spacing>admitting to being a bongwe kicked your ass in literally every war you no gunz retard. leave this board and never return
>,>62876495Enjoy your prions >62876522>implyingMart sharter education everyone
>>62876826Shame bong education only teaches them how to pray to mecca and not all the wars they lost
>>62876826>prions>from deerretardo
Any deer hunters here have boot recommendations? I've been using the same pair of Irish Setters for close to a decade and they've seen better days. I hunt in December, so often there's snow and it's cold.
>>62873873> only hunters fund and vote for conservation, retardo!Okay, what's say we fund. $5000 a year hunting license. $1000 per year per gun weapon tax and $5 a round ammo tax. With that sort of financing, we can have Eden back.
>>62879960Too expensive. Just gonna let humans do their thing and have them expand into wildlife territory, eliminating flora and fauna to support dumbasses like you mouthing off retarded shit.
>>62879984Oh, so you don't actually care about Conservation, you just like to kill things.Creepy.
>>62873376>The fat fuck standing next to a deer, as if shooting an animal is hard, should be eating oats or some shit. The whole point of farming is that it's more efficient, and we don't have to do this, because if even a few of us do it now, we have a massive impactCAFO's/mass meat farms are literally the most evil thing to grace the face of the earth and have a terrible environmental impact. hunting is far more ethical, but its true lots of "sportsman" hunters are sadistic psychos about it and would kill everything if they could and they have done so in the past, as anons pointed out via buffalo and rhinos. doesnt apply to all hunters, but many.
>>62858793you're actually a nigger cancer cell upon the earth
>>62879960>retarded >not American>reddit spacingidk about your third world country, bong faggot, but in America a sin tax on a basic human right isn't legal. I would be happy with taking 100% of money that is currently being wasted on welfare, ebt and section 8 and using it on conservation
>>62864259You took one entry off the list of possible Hows.
>>62860883>wouldn't it be better to manage our ecology towards a more utopian system with less suffering?Non-human suffering does not have moral weight. It can generate it only secondhand, when a human sees it and feels bad. You have never given a shit about the tens of millions of animals torn apart and eaten alive, and you will only ever give a shit about the few dozen who do so on camera for you to witness.
>>62860312If you're going to use the Bible as an argument, I want you to support EVERYTHING the book says, no picking and choosing. So once I have my harem of little girls and get to stone homosexuals I'll happily give up shooting pests.
>>62875194>it leaves 3-5 inches of wheat stalk1.5-2 inches at best.
