It was destroyed by a massive IED. only the drive survived
>>62870576When? Gaza war is pretty much over now. Low intensity fights only here and there
>>62870579not sure when but there has been a lot of IED attacks recently.
>>62870576>driver survivedThat's pretty impressive if you ask me.
>>62870576>Completely obliterated TK>driver survivedThe fuck?
>>62870614blast probably went through the turret ring as that's the easiest route and spared the driver's compartment in comparison.
>>62870589>driver survived https://youtu.be/WM8bTdBs-cw?si=v2_X5feKz6DdbhVn>>62870614
>>62870623scratch thatsee >>62870585looks like it detonated under the rear hull, which set off the ammo and would have blown the turret off.
>>62870614guess all that crew survivability bullshit wasn't all bullshit
IEDs are menace. how do you counter them?
>>62870614See photo >>62870585"Chicken cage" of the driver is intact. Blast tore hull of part with engine and threw it into into air. On the way it hit gun barrel and send turret flying too. Crew that sits in the turret was squashed by this abrupt flight. But driver remains intact in his little cuck shed.I remember 15 years ago reading on forum about exactly same result of massive IED attack against Merkava.
>>62870733Not really any way to effectively counter a fuck ton of explosives detonating beneath the tank’s hull. Has been a recurring problem in every urban conflict of the last few decades. Israelis typically send their remote controlled bulldozers ahead of tanks to detonate IEDs in their path.
>>62870768if only there was a way to scan a predetermined path with drones for explosives buried underneath.
>>62870576אתה ערבי בן של שרמטוה אני אשים לך מטען בתחת
>>62870733Ignore other anon. You can counter them by having a roller infront of your tank to prematurely trigger pressure activated explosives. Jammers will handle remote activated IEDs.
>>62870782I don’t think a roller will save a tank from a super massive IED, smaller explosives sure.
>>62870782
>>62870782doubt those rollers can handle massive IEDs. these sand nigger packs of lot of kilos usually in the hundreds. we've seen what smaller mines do to them now imagine an IED weighing 200kg
>>62870782>Jammers will handle remote activated IEDs.They use wires .
>>62870804>>62870808If you're in a tank, then a roller can definitely make the difference.
>>62870814They don't use pressure plates for large IEDs, they can be easily activated by D9 bulldozers.
>>62870814someone have those pics of tanks with rollers taken out by mines?
>>62870782Command fired wired and optical are a nightmare because they can't be jammed.Shrouded IR sensors pointed at an IR emitter is the best of both worlds, no wires to follow back to a position and a hard wired emitter that can't be jammed.
>>62870576that's a neat pic of the composite layer
>>62870833>Shrouded IR sensors pointed at an IR emitterCan you explain this a little more plainly? I'm imagining a laser trip wire, but it can't be that simple.
It took the axis of resistance over a year to destroy 1 Jew tank. In that time ~2,000 Russian tanks have been lost in Ukraine. Think about that.
>>62870782they are usually activated by a wired remote the counter for it is surveillance and D9s, especially the RC ones but you still sometimes get unlucky
>>62870854>IR sensor>that can only see one direction>in that direction you have an IR emitter>on a switchIt's command activated, no automation just a guy watching a road with a switch. The advantage over wires is after you set it off there is no need to move, the IR sensor is destroyed and they have no way of figuring out where you detonated it from.
>>62870864Imagine Germany vs Moldova, Germany gets billions in aid from the west while Moldova gets nothing.That is the state of Israel vs Palestine.
>>62870919>get nothingthey have all sorts of weapons. they're just usually not very effective. that's no one's fault but theirs
>>62870936>that's no one's fault but theirsAll their imports and exports are controlled by Israel, even if they had domestic manufacture they can't import anything.Bibi is just dragging out the war because he's facing prison for corruption and elections can't be held during war.
>>62870944i am not even reffering to gaza. i am reffering to the palestinian conflict as a whole. they failed to create a state, mostly because arabs at large thought they could fight and detsroy israel in the past. as for gaza, they have managed to smuggle various ATGMs through their tunnels
>>62870733It’s an Israeli bomb that didn't explode repurposed as IED
>>62870944This is indeed a side effect but besides the point, it appears Israel has had enough of UN treaties and agreements with palestinians, particularly after gazans got Hamas into power and the entire debacle, for what I have been reading Tel Aviv is going to build large patrol roads dividing Gaza in small segments which can be more easily monitored and controlled, both Israel and Egypt have been working to destroy any chance at smuggling tunnels, they still may want to rebuild the region but in such a way it will no longer be possible for any group like Hamas to assert influence. Wether this will be possible or not it remains to be seen.
>>62870579>When? Gaza war is pretty much over now. Low intensity fights only here and thereLol no, israel has been rushing in north gaza to end the siege there in case of a democrat win and somehow hamas still has anti tank missiels and ammo, these fuckers were armed more than european armies somehow.Now that Trump won maybe it returns to low intensity fights but israel has been trying to do some encirclements in northern gaza as a way to end the siege faster.>>62870614Merkava is ridiculously big and armored so won't suprise if a blast is contained enough to only go in a certain direction.
>>62870944>Bibi is just dragging out the war because he's facing prison for corruption and elections can't be held during war.He is dragging it because he is smart enough unlike the israel left or centrists to realize that once they leave whoever keeps power will do thanks to hate.Rebuilding that place would take probaly 10% of the gdp of a country like germany for a decade, it's all fucked by this point, had the israelis been confident at first they would have gone through raffah and a siege but they themselves were not sure of their capabilities so it was first gaza, then khan yunis, then raffah and it's all fucked by now.Leaving means whoever remains can't rebuild fucking shit and has millions of angry people to feed and house, and since it's not possible to rebuild they will keep order same as hamas did throwing rockets and saying they are fighting the enemy and shooting anyone that refuses as traitors.Completely fucked up situation.>>62871554>for what I have been reading Tel Aviv is going to build large patrol roads dividing Gaza in small segments which can be more easily monitored and controlled, both Israel and Egypt have been working to destroy any chance at smuggling tunnelsAll of this has been happening already, gaza is basically cut in 4 parts, not sure what this will achieve, separating northern gaza and holding egypt border makes sense.Cutting gaza in pieces will be literally apartheid kind of shit, not that the gazans did not got themselves into this shit by their own actions, but without an economic and political plan you can't rebuild that place and occupation without an economic plan does not work as the allies found fast in japan and germany, both places they wanted to deindustrialize to control easier and were soon forced to do the exact opposite not only because unemployment caused chimpouts but because a cooled economy made rebuilding impossible without gibs from the us homeland.
>>62873516HAMAS has announced that they are willing to accept any ceasefire proposal that Israel offers, but its too late for that now that zion don is back in the white house so the war will continue on
>>62873553>HAMAS has announcedWhy the fuck would ANYONE take them at their word? Any solution that leaves Hamas intact turns into the exact same problem sooner or later.
>>62873553wouldn't matter if don came in or notIsrael is only interested one thing from the beginning, ending its most important existential issue once and for allthe war only ends when the remaining Palestinians illegally immigrate to Egypt and the surrounding countries, its not like they can demand that in a legal document
>>62873553They still aren't willing to accept the one that Israel offered several months ago that required them to return all remaining kidnap victims.
>>62873535>Cutting gaza in pieces will be literally apartheid kind of shitThat is the plan. They want to run it like the West Bank with a bunch of atomized Palestinian enclaves. I doubt that they'd try to settle it again, but we'll see how desperate the Israeli right is to buy votes from the hasids and settlers.
>>62873553>Hamas announced>Israel reports>Russia says>[Insert any European country] warnsPffffthahahaha
>Took hamas 13 months to blow up 1 merk>the driver survivedgrim
>>62870814Not if it's a stack of fucking artillery shells.
>>62873738>That is the plan. They want to run it like the West Bank with a bunch of atomized Palestinian enclaves. I doubt that they'd try to settle it again, but we'll see how desperate the Israeli right is to buy votes from the hasids and settlers.Contrary to what people think of the west bank the place was fucking rich before this war.You are talking of palis going to work in israel proper earning 1300 usd per month on average and returning to the west bank after a day work were rents were 300 usd per month and you have 30 year mortgages.This was a better deal than what the average worker in europe gets, the whole wall apartheid meme is just that a meme the whole checkpoints were only enforced during times of chimpouts or suicide attacks, israel economy depended a lot on palestinean workers from the west wank, probably still does.Why do i mention that?Let's suppose israel does the same with gaza, which politician will have the balls to let 700k gazan palis that had their houses destroyed in this war go work in israel?The first attack that happens that is over and how do you keep 2 million people feed and housing if you can't integrate them into your economy?it's a shitshow
I thinm we can trust Hamas on this one lads.The photo looks highly-suspect, but we can give the benefit of the doubt to Hamas' proven track record of honest, integrity, and unrelenting reporting of the facts without exaggeration.
>>62874976you think these pictures were taken and posted by hamas?
>>62873535>Cutting gaza in pieces will be literally apartheid kind of shit,Israel has already been found guilty of apartheid in the West Bank,https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/186/186-20240719-adv-01-00-en.pdf>224. A number of participants have argued that Israel’s policies and practices in the Occupied Palestinian Territory amount to segregation or apartheid, in breach of Article 3 of CERD.>225. Article 3 of CERD provides as follows: “States Parties particularly condemn racial segregation and apartheid and undertake to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in territories under their jurisdiction.” This provision refers to two particularly severe forms of racial discrimination: racial segregation and apartheid.">229. The Court observes that Israel’s legislation and measures impose and serve to maintain a near-complete separation in the West Bank and East Jerusalem between the settler and Palestinian communities. For this reason, the Court considers that Israel’s legislation and measures constitute a breach of Article 3 of CERD."That's why you have places like Spain and Ireland cutting ties with Israel.>not that the gazans did not got themselves into this shit by their own actionsHamas was at the largest ~2% of Gaza's population.>B-But they voted for them!!Tell me, during the past three elections in the States, have you voted for who you wanted most, or against who you didn't want most?Israel spent decades destabilizing and delegitimizing Fatah. They succeeded, and Hamas was the only stable alternative.
>>62874975>only stable alternative.>and FatahSo they only think in killing jews, they're reaping their own shit.
>>62874975What commies at at icj say is irrelevant law is enforced by force and there is no force enforcing international law.What is going on in the west bank is a military occupation , the apartheid meme could be true if palis were lobbying for political integration into israel as blacks did in south africa and not separatism.>inb4 but israel would not let them be prime minister due to religionyeah like every islamic country or lebanon that literally has quotas for religions and only christians can be president despite their percentage of pop going down every year.>225. Article 3 of CERD provides as follows: “States Parties particularly condemn racial segregation and apartheid and undertake to prevent, prohibit and eradicate all practices of this nature in territories under their jurisdiction.” This provision refers to two particularly severe forms of racial discrimination: racial segregation and apartheid."But that's the thing the palestineans choose to be outside israel jurisdiction in the west bank.>That's why you have places like Spain and Ireland cutting ties with Israel.No they are cutting it because they are leftards that are ethnically replacing their own population that can't even help their people with floods because they need free hotels to put more africans in.>Hamas was at the largest ~2% of Gaza's population.>B-But they voted for them!!True on both points plus most gazans were minors when the takeover happened so it's irrelevant.Does not change fucking shit all parties crossed the rubicon long ago.
>>62874983>That's why you have places like Spain and Ireland cutting ties with Israel.source?
>>62874983Look I'm NTA, I'm a libcuck and I hate the Israeli government and AIPAC. And what Israel is doing is just butchery, plain and simple.That being said I really can't support the Gazans either. How do you murder 1200 civilians (with lots of rapes), take hostages (which you mostly murdered and probably raped) only to cry foul after they (very predictably) push your shit in? You supported these monsters in Hamas, you partied for the 6 hours it took for the Israelis to organize air strikes, why should I feel any sympathy? Every dead civilian on either side is a travesty, but at what point does collective responsibility come into play?
>>62874984No you fuckin' dum-dum; Fatah couldn't properly govern in 2007, or now. It's a joke, and Israel made it as such. Abbas is a corrupt dickweed who only acts in his own interests. Hamas was the only stable alternative.This is what Israel always wanted; they always supported Islamists against Fatah in order to destabilize and delegitimize the latter.Israel initially helped create Hamas to counter Fatah,https://www.google.com/books/edition/Arab_and_Jew/av5eBwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA254&printsec=frontcoverhttp://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.htmlThis was even Netanyahu's policy as well up until Oct 7th,https://www.jpost.com/arab-israeli-conflict/netanyahu-money-to-hamas-part-of-strategy-to-keep-palestinians-divided-583082I recommend you read all of these for an idea of how unstable Fatah's government was by 2007:>The Palestinian Authority Security Force by JD McCoyhttps://ndupress.ndu.edu/Portals/68/Documents/jfq/jfq-84/jfq-84_51-53_McCoy.pdf>The Palestinian Authority Security Forces by Francesco Dottihttps://www.ict.org.il/images/Francesco%20Dotti%20-%20PASF%20(1).pdf>The Evolution and Reform of Palestinian Security Forces 1993-2013 by Alaa Tartir.https://stabilityjournal.org/articles/10.5334/sta.gi>We Serve the People: Hamas Policing in Gaza by Yezid Sayighhttps://www.brandeis.edu/crown/publications/papers/pdfs/cp5.pdf
>>62874997Ireland I believe without looking because they've always had a weird "we are the same!" connection with the Palis due to some historical similarities. The difference being the Irish didn't give up their homes expecting Britain's enemies to prevail by raping and enslaving their occupiers, only to lose. and then get kicked out of every country they were guests in ever since.
>>62875018>Ireland I believei looked it up and found nothing. i know ireland is anti-israel but i am not seeing anything about "cutting ties". "cutting ties" entails a lot. and as far as i know (i could be wrong) only one country has cut ties with israel. it entails a lot: cutting any diplomatic missions, severing economic relations, etc
>>62874997Google it, man. It isn't some obfuscated or obscure information. Here's the most recent article I have pertaining to Ireland,https://www.the-independent.com/news/uk/micheal-martin-ireland-irish-south-africa-gaza-b2643121.htmlAnd one of the reasons Israeli football hooligans fucked around and found out in Amsterdam is because of Spain cutting ties,https://x.com/leylahamed/status/1854651497604129256
>>62870626The driver only had minor burns actually. https://x.com/plovejet/status/1857405153281728900
>>62870576So? They have factories to produce more of these.
>>62875004>That being said I really can't support the Gazans either.Again, Hamas was at most ~2% of Gaza's population on Oct 7th. Even Israel acknowledges support for Hamas was low and that Hamas forged documents to try and make their support seem larger,https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-documents-found-in-gaza-show-hamas-was-falsifying-prominent-polling-results/>1200 civilians797 civilians, 695 of them being Israeli citizens. 373 were police and soldiers.>(with lots of rapes)Highly exaggerated propaganda. See,https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/https://x.com/LailaAlarian/status/1743638732836671800https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740641517847335009https://x.com/karaokecomputer/status/1742603104938500216>You supported these monsters in HamasThe poll by Hamas themselves linked above shows 65% of Gazans opposed Oct 7th. Define "support."
>>62875031>post unrelated article and xigger postOh it's you again, palishill.Passing a non-binding motion (the national equivalent of finger waving) and cancelling an insignificant arms deal isn't cutting ties you cretin.
>>62875031>https://www.the-independent.com/news/uk/micheal-martin-ireland-irish-south-africa-gaza-b2643121.htmlare you just illiterate or? where does the article say anything about ireland cutting ties?>The debate was couched in the context of the government failing to pass an amended Occupied Territories Bill, which would have imposed restrictions on trade with Israeli settlements in Palestine, in the lifetime of the current Dail.not only that but the articles say they failed to even put restrictions on trade in occupied territories READ AN ARTICLE BEFORE LINKING IT, RETARD. i am sick and tired of you retards making shit up and then linking articles that don't support you>https://x.com/leylahamed/status/1854651497604129256ahh so you're just a retard from some twitter echochamber? maybe read the tweet which half of is bullshit. it says "cut an arms deal" not "ties". work on your reading comprehesion, mate
>>62875059>>62875061Being pedantic isn't the win you seem to think it is. Even then, if I were to try and out-pedant you, I'd just point out I said "cut ties" rather than "cut ALL ties."The point is that the ICJ finding is having diplomatic effects and nations are either taking or considering taking action.
>>62875077>I'd just point out I said "cut ties" rather than "cut ALL ties."well you'd stil be laughably wrong. as all ireland dill was pass a motion with no effect and spain stopped weapons sales. none of those are anywhere near cutting ties
>>62875055Why is the rapes thing so controversial lol? The Quran practically encourages it, or at least codifies it, no? Didn't ISIS put forward many verbatim thological arguments for war sex slaves? Didn't the Prophet have multiple war brides?When have Muslim men not raped infidel women they had in their power? Now to be fair it is not even nevessarily a strictly-Muslim thing, rape of captured women is pretty much par for the course for most of human military history, and only well-disciplined regular troops can hope refrain from it.So I ask you again, why do you believe that this Muslim IRREGULAR force, with both an extremely deep-seated hatred of their enemy and ascribing to a fundamentalist interpretation of Islam, why would these men behave themselves in way that would be so extraordinary? These have first-hand accounts checked against other evidence:>https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/what-we-know-about-the-weaponization-of-sexual-violence-on-october-7th>https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/17/questions-and-answers-hamas-led-armed-groups-october-7-2023-assault-israel>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html
Israel really needs this war. It’s not about Netanyahu, that’s a toddler-tier take. The war would be impossible at this point without broad support of the nation’s power structure. Israel has been experiencing a major demographics shift resulting in a ruinously-large Arab population; that not only tanks IQ and thereby competitiveness of Israel at every level, the soft-apartheid state run by Europeans (Ashkenazi) was going to be destroyed soon. The power structure was desperate to stop that from happening. Defeating Hamas and saving hostages has nothing to do with anything: they need to get rid of the Palestinians and they need to do that NOW while the power structure has the capital to do it because the moment they wind down the massive internal competing power center will move with full force to stop and reverse what gains they’ve made. We’re witnessing a country trying to reverse a late-stage demographic shift.
>>62875098>unpopular corrupt pol(s) need war to buy more sand for their hourglass.It's convenient fir other reasons but it's as simple as that. Literally scores of instances of the same thing occuring in the last century alone.>Argentina junta>Greek junta>Myannmar juntaetc.
>>62875096>>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.htmlThat's the exact article I posted sources debunking in the very post you're replying to. Check my sources before trying this shit.I'll post them again,>https://theintercept.com/2024/02/28/new-york-times-anat-schwartz-october-7/>https://x.com/LailaAlarian/status/1743638732836671800>https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740641517847335009>https://x.com/karaokecomputer/status/1742603104938500216
>>62875098>ruinously-large Arab population; that not only tanks IQPalestinian "Arabs" have more in common genetically with ancient Israelites and Canaanites than Middle Eastern Jews do.
>>62875180explains why their IQ is so low then
>>62875188Nice doublethink.
>>62875191no double think there. palestinian (arabs at large) do in fact have lower iqs
>>62875203>(arabs at large)Semites at large*I guess it isn't doublethink if you don't understand the information being presented to you. To put it very simply for you, Palestinians aren't "Arab;" they are genetically more Jewish than most Jewish mutts.
>>62875217>Semites at large*semites could just be reffering to a lingustic group. ashkenazi jews have far higher IQs. and they're very distant genetically from middle-easterns. yes that explains why their IQ differs by so much>Palestinians aren't "Arab;" they are genetically more Jewish than most Jewish muttssaying arabs are genetically more jewish makes no sense. there is no genetic marker for being jewish. unless you mean to say their close to the ancient people that lived there. which doesn't have anything to do with the point i was making about IQ
>>62875180Ashkenazi are Europeans. In the mid-1800 some German Jew intellectual invented the myth of European Jews being directly descended from the ancient Israelites, an idea that caught on because it gave Jews a special bloodline that ran into Biblical times and allowed them to compete with the growing German mythology of being descended from the Teutonic Order etc. This was happening during the German unification while a new nation was being built and the Jews wanted a piece of it with their own special ancient mythology etc. Before this time European Jews considered themselves to be converts which religiously confers 100% Jew status no different from the Biblical Israelites — they never considered themselves LITERAL descendants. Israel was founded as a European colonial settlement in the Middle East in the LITERAL sense. The high-IQ Europeans are now a minority (30% I think) and it was just a matter of time before demographics shifted so much the Europeans clans would lose political and eventually economic control as well.
>>62875175I read the article not long after it came out, and it does indicate (to quote):>[...] that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7.>Israeli officials say that everywhere Hamas terrorists struck — the rave, the military bases along the Gaza border and the kibbutzim — they brutalized women.Your article is behind a paywall. Even if it were not I would be highly-skeptical, since The Intercept is nowhere near as reputable as the NYT, and as a leftist publication it has an axe to grind against Israel. It cannot be trusted to be unbiased, and I say this as a leftard myself. Even that article does not dispute that many rapes and mutilations occured, so IDK what you are considering "highly-exaggerated".But the NYT accounts have been verified by the UN, HRW, et al. both of which are typically opposing Israeli narratives. And like I said, mass rape is par for the course for human history even in this era, in that particular region, and for those particular belligerents. You'd need a slightly higher burden of proof than you would in other conflicts to absolve Hamas, because you would be saying Hamas was exceptional.What an odd hill to die on.And stop posting Twitter links, if I want to know the thoughts of a random person on the street I will go out and ask them. If the tweets link to reputable (re: non-Twitter sources) then post those.
>>62875308>Your article is behind a paywall.It is not. Pic related; I can scroll freely and have no account or subscription with The Intercept. What sort of error are you getting?>Even if it were not I would be highly-skeptical,>and as a leftist publication it has an axe to grind against Israel. It cannot be trusted to be unbiased,Check it's sources.>Even that article does not dispute that many rapes and mutilations occuredHow do you know if you say it's paywalled? It says,>The question has never been whether individual acts of sexual assault may have occurred on October 7. Rape is not uncommon in war, and there were also several hundred civilians who poured into Israel from Gaza that day in a “second wave,” contributing to and participating in the mayhem and violence. The central issue is whether the New York Times presented solid evidence to support its claim that there were newly reported details “establishing that the attacks against women were not isolated events but part of a broader pattern of gender-based violence on Oct. 7” — a claim stated in the headline that Hamas deliberately deployed sexual violence as a weapon of war.That's the same argument I'm making, but you seem to be missing the point.>And stop posting Twitter links,>If the tweets link to reputable (re: non-Twitter sources) then post those.It's easier to post a Twitter thread that cites a dozen sources than it is to cite a dozen sources you simpleton.Here's both threads, with citations. I'm not going to post the 20+ links that are featured in the first thread alone, and if you refuse to read it that's on you, not on me.https://x.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1740656794916065687https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1740641517847335009.htmlhttps://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1742603104938500216.html
>>62875333Let's recap, because I don't actually know what you are arguing anymore.I claimed there were rapes, which you said were "highly-exaggerated propaganda".I posted accounts of said rapes with first-hand accounts corroborated from multiple sources.You said the NYT article I supplied had been "debunked" by your article, despite it explicitly saying>The question has never been whether individual acts of sexual assault may have occurred on October 7.That does the opposite of debunking my claims. Instead it admits that rapes occured, saying "rape is not uncommon in war." Something which I also said here >>62875096The thesis of the article is denying not that the rapes occured, but rather that it was not official Hamas policy. I don't know what Hamas policy on war rape is, and I don't care.I said "lots of rapes" occured, you claimed it was "highly-exaggerated propaganda" despite your source agreeing, so I think I am owed an apology.You stupid pseud, did you really think you can spam links without reading them or bothering to comprehend what you've read? The NYT and Intercept differ on whether the mass rapes were planned as a weapon of war. But I never claimed that, so I will take my apology now.>69%lozzles
>>62875379Is English your second language, or are you just backpedaling and being pedantic now to avoid the fact there was no exceptional or organized sexual violence on Oct 7th? Because "lots of rapes" is clearly different from "individual acts of [rape]""Lots" implies a large number or amount, a "great deal." Given the context of the usage (saying it was large enough to prevent you from feeling sympathy for Gazans at large), and the sources you ended up citing (which falsely claim rape was systematic, by design and with a larger amount than normal in times of war), it's pretty clear you suggested a number of rape larger than normal for wartime. That is where you are factually wrong.If you simply stated there were rapes, I would have no problem. But you didn't; you said there were "lots of rapes."You also cited a source that has in fact been debunked; ZAKA, Raz Cohen, Sapir, "G" (Guy Melamed), and more key witnesses for your NYT article, have been confirmed by forensic and video evidence to have lied about witnessing rape, either by not being where they said they were, or by inaccurately describing which victims were killed and how. That's what my sources show; The Independent, Max Blumenthal, etc.>But I never claimed that,You clearly implied it, and you know you did. I wont apologize, and will instead take yours now. Next time you try to bring this shit up, don't imply shit like this, and don't try citing sources that were debunked in the post you're replying to.>Phonepostinglol, lmao evenRead it on desktop you filthy phoneposter. It isn't paywalled.
>>62875242They are partly European. They are as much European as they are middle eastern. They are the muttest of races.
>>62875044Totally native to the Middle East btw
>>62876088not saying ashkenazis are are native to the middle-east but the "they look european argument is retarded". there are plenty of middle-easterners that look "European". unless you want to tell me they're aren't native as well. that's a retarded point that is made by clueless twitter retards only
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>>62875333Max Blumenthal is a zigger propagandist, therefore he can be dismissed immediately
>>62875098>We’re witnessing a country trying to reverse a late-stage demographic shift.It's hilarious you try to blame Israel's demographic woes on the le low IQ Palis and not the massive horde of Haredis who do nothing but pump out 9 kids, get Israel into wars while being exempt from service, live off welfare, and read the Torah all day.
>>62873535>Cutting gaza in pieces will be literally apartheid kind of shitI am thinking more Germany after WW2, they may even move arab israelies and any pali willing to bend knee near the border and put all the troublesome ones at the middle so they had an extra hard time trying any sort of rebellion. I personally don't think they want to keep them in destitution and the region in ruins, for all of /pol/ memes these are jews we are talking about and practicality is their attitude. Even if you talk about apartheid like >>62874983 a fact remains, South Africa under apartheid was a better developed and richer state under such system than under their current iteration. The accussation is even more ironic if you consider the endgame of apartheid was to create ethnic states so both whites and black qould have their own slice of land without pestering the others.The coming years will test liberal believers like never before, if the kikes manage to bring order to their turf it will mean their policies not just work, but may be replicated within other countries, think a similar operation to enforce law at brown people neighbours all across the West.
>>62876186His sources cannot. A broken clock is right twice a day.
>>62874983>That's why you have places like Spain and Ireland cutting ties with Israel.So, what these españoles have to say about Cataluña? ;)
>>62875017You are that turk who brags about german ethnic replacement, right? You sound like you voted for Erdogan, as for this entire discussion, I do notice you don't believe in collective responsability, neithe moral agency (double so if it'sto the advantage of non-whites), this is the reason why none of your arguments work with us by the way. There is a cultural divide between you and us which will never be bridged.
>>62876357No? I'm an Irishman lol
>>62875180This would be more convincing if your friends didn't keep parroting israelies aren't white, what is more under this argument you would have such a demographic shift many nations worldwide would simply stop existing but in the end this is all irrelevant as israelis have not just as much will to power as arabs, but are smarter, which in turn has allowed them to expand their lands and reduce their enemies to a noisy annoyance.
>>62875242When does Turkey return all those lands to Greece?
>>62876362So my point still stands, and even more so, it intrigues me you don't care about being racially replaced, Spengler said something about blood and money, again, another cultural divide... Well at least you didnt start parroting about global jihad and awesome demographics like some of your MENA friends after they ran out of patience.
>>62876430Yeah man having Israelis send Palestinians and Lebanese to Europe and America sounds like such a good way to avoid displacement.
>>62874967They need to deport them to Africa and turn Gaza into a date palm plantation. They've been trying to Give Peace A Chance with the fuckers since I was a little kid, and nothing works. The status quo is not tenable.
>>62876322>if the kikes manage to bring order to their turf it will mean their policies not just workThey've been trying for 80 years to bring "order" to their turf and all they've done is create more enemies. They certainly aren't gonna bring "order" when their government gets controlled by Messianic schizos and the utter disaster called their operations in Gaza and Lebanon.
>>62876477>create more enemiesthat's factually incorrect. they've made peace with a lot of countries they used to fight wars against in the past
>>62876476>They've been trying to Give Peace A Chance with the fuckersNo they haven't lolThe Israelis have done everything to thwart a peace process.
>>62876496nta, but what you said doesn't negate what he said.Hezbollah exists because Israel invaded and occupied Lebanon. Hamas exists because Israel sought to destabilize the PLO. etc. etc. etc.
>>62876496The only countries they've made "peace" with are Egypt and Jordan and that's a very tentative peace at best. Their actions in Lebanon directly resulted in the creation of Hezbollah, they actively funded Hamas to replace the secular PLO and to keep Palis divided, and their chimpout since Oct 7 has alienated them from the region.>Muh Abraham AccordsSince Oct 7 Israel's chimpout has resulted inJordan expelling the Israeli ambassadorTurkey severing all tiesMBS going on record multiple times stating that Israel is committing a genocide and that no normalization will occur unless an independent Palestinian state is createdTurkey and Egypt mending relationsAssad being accepted back into the Arab LeagueThe Iranian foreign minister visiting ME countries he hasn't visited in decadesKSA and Iran normalizing relations to such a degree that they've literally had a fucking joint military exercise in the Gulf of OmanFrom a ME geopolitical perspective, this entire war has been an unmitigated disaster for Israel
>>62876477> the utter disaster called their operations in Gaza and Lebanon.both operations are going well actually no one expects an asymmetric warfare to end quickly escpecially not in gaza. the lebanon is going far better than expected with minimal losses. in 2006 the idf and hezbollah fought for 33 days and hezbollah never attacked israel for nearly the next 20 years. they'll be fucked for time to come
>>62870576wow, so you're telling me they can show aftermath huh?
>>62870576Interesting peek at the internal arrangement of the armor, if nothing else.>>62876512Mother fucker, they have been talking to these crazy shits for DECADES. I'm sick of even hearing about them. Deport them to Djibouti or Kenya or somewhere and be done with it. Fuck the 'peace process.' It's a farce.
>>62876518>ignoring the 'arab' movements, PLO and Iranlmao
>>62876559Lmao Lebanon is even more embarrassing than Gaza. A massive terror bombing campaign and detonating entire villages for the net total of "Hezbollah continues to launch missiles into Israel directly from the border from areas that were supposedly cleared out". But sure, level another apartment complex in Beirut or Tyre if that'll convince you that you're winning.>expected with minimal losses.Achieved nothing so losses are irrelevant.>they'll be fucked for time to comeIsrael thought it was a brilliant idea to blow up Hezbollah's moderate figureheads to earn Bibi some street cred so in all likelihood Israel's northern border will never calm down. Good job retards.
>>62876579>will never calm down.It never would on its own. They've taken the direct approach now, and the solution is kill all the Hezbollah retards. Contrary to popular retard belief, there is only a limited number of Shia faggots in Lebanon.
>>62876553>Jordan expelling the Israeli ambassadortemporary face-saving "protest">Turkey severing all tiesdidn't happen. it was just speak by erdogan>MBS going on record multiple times stating that Israel is committing a genocide and that no normalization will occur unless an independent Palestinian state is createdgenocide part doesn't matter. as for creation of a state, they've been saying this for years if i am not mistaken. will see what the future holds>Assad being accepted back into the Arab Leaguehas nothing to do with the war. happened before oct 7>The Iranian foreign minister visiting ME countries he hasn't visited in decadesa nothing burger. >KSA and Iran normalizing relations to such a degree that they've literally had a fucking joint military exercise in the Gulf of Omani am not even sure this has anything to do with oct 7. >From a ME geopolitical perspective, this entire war has been an unmitigated disaster for Israeltends to happen during war. although militarily it's good for israel. hamas is significantly weakened and so is hezbollah. iran and israel are now facing each other directly and a trump presidency brings a lot to the table. in short think in the long term. the coming years will be decisive
huh, american here and I had no idea that there was even still fighting in Israel, wasn't that all done like last year already
>>62876579>Hezbollah continues to launch missiles into Israel directly from the border from areas that were supposedly cleared out".bullshit. they don't launch from border areas. adn the number of launches has significantly gone down. they went from launching 150-250 rockets a day and now they are down to mostly around 55. >Achieved nothing so losses are irrelevant.hezbollah has been pushed back from the border area and has suffered massive casualities and stockpile losses. the idea that they achieved nothing is cope>likelihood Israel's northern border will never calm downit will. hezbollah accepted a peace deal in 2006 and they'll do it again this time. only difference is this time hezbollah and lebanon will be in a far worse state. they should only pray that they accept one before trump's presidency
>>62876512retard
>>62876587>and the solution is kill all the Hezbollah retards.Surely this time a massive indiscriminate terror bombing campaign will totally btfo the paramilitary organization.>there is only a limited number of Shia faggots in Lebanon.I'm sure all the Suuni and Christians love being bombed and their Mosques and Churches being destroyed if its targeting their Shia countrymen.>>62876593>didn't happenCope.>will see what the future holdsMBS will be fucking assassinated if he tried to normalize without a Pali state. Israel doesn't matter that much lol.>a nothing burger.Yea, the entire region maneuvering to go against you is just a nothing burger. The ME is lucky Israelis are as delusional as you are.
>>62876617>I'm sure all the Suuni and Christians love being bombed and their Mosques and Churches being destroyed if its targeting their Shia countrymen.Probably, since the destruction of Hezbollah means they don't have to worry about them anymore. "Their countrymen" are the people they were fighting against a few decades ago.
>>62876604>bullshit. they don't launch from border areas.Cope and seethe retard.https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1856017291000910023>hezbollah has been pushed back from the border areaNo they haven't. Pure Israeli cope. The entire invasion has been yet another embarrassing failure for the IDF.>they should only pray that they accept one before trump's presidencyIsraelis have been fucking BEGGING Hezbollah to accept a ceasefire through the US and have been turned away at every opportunity. The only person who could've accepted a ceasefire without Gaza was gleefully blown up by Israel to increase Bibi's poll numbers so there won't be a ceasefire without Gaza.>Muh TrumpYea, I'm sure the "stop all wars" Trump is gonna sign off on a deployment into Lebanon.
>>62876617>indiscriminate terror bombing campaign will totally btfo the paramilitary organization.not indistciminate. targets are chosen. and yes they'll come to a negotating table. negotions are happening right now. even hezbollah knows they can't fight forever>I'm sure all the Suuni and Christians love being bombed and their Mosques and Churches being destroyed if its targeting their Shia countrymen.sunni and christians hate hezbollah (always have) and are blaming them for dragging them into a pointless war>Cope.>severed all relations>actually didn't severe all relationsseems like the only coping here is you. turkish embassy in israel is open and so is the israel embassy in turkey. but go ahead move the goalpost about how it's "not all ties". and some idf bases are work with the idf among other things: https://www.jns.org/israel-extends-electricity-deal-for-idf-bases-with-turkish-owned-firm/>MBS will be fucking assassinated if he tried to normalize without a Pali state. lol if you think they care that much about a pali state. israel and saudi-arabia were already having relations behind the scenes for years. arab countries don't care about palis and will gladly throw them under the bus. just like a shitton of them already have>the entire region maneuvering to go against you is just a nothing burgernot happening but keep dreaming>The ME is lucky Israelis are as delusional as you are.the middle-east surround israel from all directions and yet can't do anything abou tit
>>62876644>proxy groups>negotiateOne uses proxy groups specifically NOT to be driven to negotiation.
Allah snackbar! We are defeating the zionists deeper in Lebanon and Gaza each day!
>>62870854>I'm imagining a laser trip wireThink video remote with a long distance focus.Late 90s laptops used it for document transfer too.
>>62876642>https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1856017291000910023that's far from the border faggo. unless you're blind>No they haven't.nigger. there are no villages on the border lol. israel has flattened them. where do you think they would be? lol>Israelis have been fucking BEGGING Hezbollah to accept a ceasefire through the US and have been turned away at every opportunitylol what no they haven't. >The only person who could've accepted a ceasefire without Gaza a bullshit lie. we all now this was never gonna happen. that would be admitting defeat for them. this is the first time a ceasefire is being discussed without gaza. and that after nasrallah death>Yea, I'm sure the "stop all wars" Trump is gonna sign off on a deployment into Lebanon.trump is going to increase weapons flows and lower restricionts on israel's actions.
>>62876649and yet they're negotiating right now
>>62876644>not indistciminateBro what do you fucking think the Dahiya doctrine was named after.>and are blaming them for dragging them into a pointless warYea, that's why there's mass protests against Hezbollah in Beirut, right? Israeli delusions about Lebanese unity will hand them another failure yet again.>arab countries don't care about palis and will gladly throw them under the busDespite all evidence showing Israel becoming even more alienated from the rest of the ME, Israeli projecting their own hatred towards Palis onto the rest of the ME will just make them even more delusional. Truly God's chosen.>>62876663>where do you think they would be? lolThey were never in the villages lol. They've always maintained their presence in the mountains and the village popping was just for the delusional Israelis at home to jerk off over.>lol what no they haven't.You're delusional. Israel have been handing ceasefire proposals ever since Nasrallah got blown up and they've all been turned away. >this is the first time a ceasefire is being discussed without gaza.Hezbollah have said fucking nothing about a ceasefire without Gaza, it's only been Lebanese officials. Literally the new leader's first speech was that no end to the fighting without Gaza.>trump is going to increase weapons flows and lower restricionts on israel's actions.Yea, because everyone knows that America have been really binding the IDF's hands with all those arms restrictions and limitations of combat.
>>62876687>Yea, that's why there's mass protests against Hezbollah in Beirut, right?Almost like they get suppressed by armed Hezbollah thugs
>>62876687>Bro what do you fucking think the Dahiya doctrine was named after.is the current year '06? don't thinkk so. the dahiye doctrine hasn't happened in lebanon yet. so far israel has been hitting building by building after providing warning>Israel have been handing ceasefire proposals ever since Nasrallah got blown up the whole point of blowing nasrallah up along with top-chain of command after the pager op was to do a ground invasion. there was never going to be a ceasefire before that. at least not one that didn't meet israel's conditions>Hezbollah have said fucking nothing about a ceasefire without Gaza, it's only been Lebanese officials. Literally the new leader's first speech was that no end to the fighting without Gaza.naim qassem didn't mention gaza in the previous speech last i checked. and lebanese officials coordinate with hezbollah. they aren't just doing things out of the blue>first speech was that no end to the fighting without Gaza.yes that was his first speech. but he didn't mention gaza in speechs after that>Yea, because everyone knows that America have been really binding the IDF's hands with all those arms restrictions and limitations of combat.the biden admin has restricted the transfer of a lot of weapons. they've also restricted how much the idf can bomb lebanon.
>>62876687>They were never in the villages lol.that's false. the idf has found a shitton of weapons in villages. there are also tunnels in villages. ATGM attacks into israel also used to happen in villages. although those stopped now
>>62876687>Yea, that's why there's mass protests against Hezbollah in Beirut, right?because israel is only bombing dahiye in beirut except for a few assasinations. i am sure they're glad hezbollah is taking a whacking
>>62870576>completely destroyed >massive IED>drive(sic) survivedWow
Lebanon ceasefire is close. Once that happens the war is basically over with Israeli victory. Rocket fire on israeli cities is done and skirmishes are just isolated to Gaza
>>62876579You’re delusional. Lebanese PM, US, Arabs, EU, and Russia are already pushing for a ceasefire and Hezbollah has dropped the demand of one being in Gaza as well. There’s no appetite in Lebanon for perpetual war for the sake of Iran. There will be one soon, unlike in Gaza. Hezzies performed much worse than in 2006 and inflicted less damage on IDF over a much greater period. Embarrassing.
>>62875098You are correct it's a late stage thing but not about demographics, israel does not even takes immigrants like indians, it's just jewish immigration in low levels and temporal workers which half are arabs.So israel could easily deal with a demographic problems by importing indians.What really happened here is that the entire us aligned world got spooked about ukraine, the usa is litertally produicing 400 patriot missiles per year at best, if you are israel you can no longer trust air defense against a group like hamas when the entire supply chain for such shit is being devoured by the usa and russia and both can't even produce their own needs.You need to fight to clean those groups fast while you still can, the palestineans gave the excuse to do it now as retards, and hezbollah morons did not realized monke ended the end of history and flatlining entire towns is allowed now in the eyes of the world.So israel in a die is cast moment took the gamble that they could destroy hezbollah massive arsenal faster than hezbollah could use it and it paid off.Both of those things have to do with economics and supply chains not demographics in fact israel could openly attract christians or indians to migrate there if they wanted to counteract arab population but it's irrelevant, the jewish/arab ratio has been the same for decades in israel, the only thing changing is the growing ultra religious ratio but those are even more hardcore than your ashkenazi leftard zionists.
>>62876553Nobody relevant has cut ties besides Turkey. Saudis and Iran had joint exercises in the 90s too after the gulf war. Saudis only cut relations with Iran in 2015 and they were restored in 2023. You’re just uneducated on the topic and desperateOnce the ceasefire in Lebanon hits, the war is over and Gaza is alone to suffer perpetually
>>62876322Israelis would love that but the reason why you don't have apartheid in the west bank is because the arabs there are separatists, the blacks in south africa wanted political representation not separatism and their own nation.If gaza is the same then nobody will invest fucking shit anyone thinking they will let 700k gazans work in israel proper knowing how many have reasons to kill israeli civilians if fucking retarded.
>>62876476>They need to deport them to Africa and turn Gaza into a date palm plantationYou can't egypt won't allow it in fact egypt bombed their entire side of the border because hamas is muslim brotherhood and the entire egyptian junta purpose is to keep those retards away.Just open google earth and look at israel egypt border egypt destroyed their own side to prevent smugglers, they are actually very scared of a group like hamas rushing to suez and doing funny shit.>>62876477Not true behind the scenes multiple local countries are allied to israel on more ways than you may believe, they all have an interest in stability and these iranian proxies have pissed a lot of people, even in lebanon politicians talk about the whole thing going on some times happily because it's hezbollah getting rekt shit is getting pretty bizarre.>>62876512Not true the early 2000s process could have worked and in fact it was the idf that expelled jews from gaza as part of the deal.Every time i mention this it comes to "bibi helped hamas boycot the peace deal", and then the people saying this shit go to support hamas proving they don't really believe that shit.The fact is that israel was about to be forced by the usa to expel most schizos from the west bank and gaza and hamas chimpout and takeover of gaza fucked everything up.
>>62876773>Lebanon ceasefire is close. Once that happens the war is basically over with Israeli victory. Rocket fire on israeli cities is done and skirmishes are just isolated to GazaOnly if hezbollah moves north of the litani, the whole region is a shitshow and an iranian israeli proxy war.Won't be suprised if that happens tough Lebanon is like a VPN nation state for iran, kind of why did the us navy released tor for pedos, druggies and hackers, because once you have those using it your glowie can use it as one more of the crowd, that is lebanon for iran, a country on a self inflicted crisis operating in cash, crypto and gold with massive inflation.However that is an excelent place to hide dirty shit and avoid sanctions so i won't be suprised if they make hezbollah cuck and move north of the litani just to keep lebanon as a VPN.
>>62876795>Once the ceasefire in Lebanon hits, the war is over and Gaza is alone to suffer perpetuallyWhy do people think a ceasefire will happen in Lebanon soon?They don't even have a president at the moment and those in power in the real government seem to be enjoying the shitshow as it weakens hez.
>>62876572> Israel funds HAMAS> Oy vey you see how they want to destroy us we need war and more american dollars
>celebrating 1 tank destroyed>entire cities laid to waste>leadership killed many times>splinter groups doing the real workdamn morale must be shit.
Hizb Allah, Al-Qassam, and the PIJ sustain a continuous volume of daily operations along with the Islamic Resistance in Iraq and some brother Mujahid in Syria by means of long distance weaponry.I can't share the hundreds of Jihad operation reports a week here and have no reason to either, but just because the media is not covering it doesn't mean the conflict isn't ongoing. A lot of this is between the godless zionist and the Mujahid.
>>62876846Because both Israel and Lebanon are saying one is happening soon. Hezbollah already said it’s open to a ceasefire unrelated to gaza
>>62876909Cucks crying to the UN to save them
>>62876687>They were never in the villages loli refuse to believe even you believe that
It’s comical how there’s such a dramatic gap between public discourse and personal mindsets. The Hamas side works hard to focus on propagandizing the American public over civilian deaths and the Israeli side works hard to prove how much they do to protect civilians while simultaneously reminding Americans what happened on Oct. 7. In reality, most white American adults (not college campus radicals) personally view Palestinians as animals which should be slaughtered wholesale. But, compliance with public discourse / societal norms is the overriding factor so they’re not allowed to say it out loud. So, everyone knows Israel is doing ethnic cleansing, most agree with it, but NO ONE is allowed to agree with it so it becomes necessary to pretend that it’s not happening. The normal answer to Palestinian kids being killed would be “it’s a war between two enemy populations and the Israelis are stronger, tough shit”.
>>62876909>I can't share the hundreds of Jihad operation reports a week hereBecause half of the are just empty words/ rockets that kills none.>godless zionistI'm happy that you are getting smug and think we are godless, you are always underestimate us and over estimate your accomplishment. it's good for us.
>>62871554>>62871554>Israel has had enough of UN treaties and agreements with palestinians, particularly after gazans got Hamas into power and the entire debacle,Holy bullshit, nethanyahu himself ordred big money be wired to hamas, to discredit the Palestinian authority, weapons and tunnels in Gaza were bought thanks to Israel you fucking tard
>>62876824> egyptian junta is against HamasNOT TRUE
>>62875468>Is English your second language?he asked, without any self-awareness lmaoLet's go over this ESL-sama:>"lots of rapes" is clearly different from "individual acts of [rape]"Think so?>"Lots" implies a large number or amount, a "great deal."Lots can imply any degree of multiple if you are desperate enough, retard-kun. Now me, I consider even one gangrape or sexual mutilation quite ghastly, so the fact that it happened in multiple locations is enough to qualify as "lots" for me.But maybe this is just a cultural thing. Maybe mass gangrape is just another Tuesday where you come from.>And The Times interviewed several soldiers and volunteer medics who together described finding more than 30 bodies of women and girls in and around the rave site and in two kibbutzim in a similar state as Ms. Abdush’s — legs spread, clothes torn off, signs of abuse in their genital areas.30 in one location qualifies as lots for me, but I'm white.>are you just backpedaling and being pedantic now to avoid the fact there was no exceptional or organized sexual violence on Oct 7th?I never claimed that lol>"lots" implies>Given the context of the usage >it's pretty clear you suggestedI never said anything to that effect and no amount of implying, suggesting, contextualizing, hinting, or insinuating a will change that fact you sniveling little pseud.>larger amount than normal in times of warI don't think murdering a rave full of college kids and teenagers qualifies as war. Butchering non-combatants is terrorism, and rape during such is just rape, not even war rape.Mad how you call someone pedantic and then write a max-length post defining what "lots" means.While blithely dismissing butchering hundreds of kids at a rave while raping/mutilation lots? many? several? some? numerous? of them as "normal in times of war".IDK who let you skate by in English composition, but I would ask for my money back (if I were you). And maybe invest it in an ethics class.
>>62876824The percentage of people that support Palestinians is higher in Egypt than in any other country in the worldhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/Bq_LAz38Vxw
>>62877351Bro... Sinwar's dead
Kind of crazy how the muslims actually destroying an IDF vehicle is a huge deal that dominates social media conversation for several days afterwards. Meanwhile dozens of Russian vehicles are lost daily to the point where everyone is numb.
>>62876909>LOOK AT THIS MAP MADE BY MY FAVORITE TERROR GROUPserious question why are thirdies like this? it's like they spend 2% of the time fighting and 98% making social media posts and production vids. you realise no one outside their braindead supporters will believe them right?
>>62877351Actions speak louder than words and egypt flatlined their side of the border to control it better.You don't see the usa doing that with México border.
>>62877387Not reallyEgypt is the only country that crushed and massacred the muslim brotherhood palestinistsThing is our alternative media is completely hijacked by them
>>62877351guess this proves egypt is an ally of israel tooYou need to go back twitter nigger
