300 dollar plate carriers are OUT. We run on 15 dollar airshit vests and 7 dollar rolls of tapePrevious: >>62791006
>>62871437That's below poor, it's destitute.
>>62871445We must got poorer
>>62871437If it's stupid but it works, then it isn't stupid.But I have doubts that a duct taped vest holding plates would hold. Ergo we might be back to square one with ordinary stupidity.
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>>62871437Is a filbe pack worth it for outdoors stuff?
>>62871437I appreciate your work.
>>62871764This guide is utter shit, back to /arg/.
>>62871672It's an airsoft vest I've converted to be ballistic. The front's got IIIA kevlar and a plate (in a pouch), but since the back doesn't have one I've had to make do. It's mostly just for LARP, but surprisingly to >>62871533 and even myself, it works. I wear MOLLE overtop (picrel)
D rings for hooking suspender webbing to a molle tab, or rectangular rings?
Guys plz consider this dump pouch. It folds up super small when not in use, it's big enough for 30s no problem, it's light, you can use it as more than a dump pouch, and it's cheap. I have one and fucking love it.https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07VSNQ1F5/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=APN6PYWTN6RPI&th=1>>62872372D rings seem like they like to twist in most applications, just my experience.
>>62872372Makes no real difference, both work. If you're doing it yourself/replacing use a triglide for extra hold and so you can keep all the plastic on the outside of the webbing.
>>62872388Looks like shit. My knockoff Flatline dump pouch was $17.
>>62872398Post the link where you got it then nigga
>>62872408https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806693426650.html
>>62871437I have been experimenting with a GCS h gear I was gifted and I’m really enjoying it. I have it set up to carry 10 mags by itself and 2 pistols mag for my pistol on a thigh holster, the bag is a eagle industries MAP I found on depop with a rain coat attached to the bottom there is also 2 32 oz water bottles attached to the sides allowing me to use most off the shelf bottles. I’m still messing with the weight distribution but I think it’s a great 24 to 48 hour rig.
>>62873521Hi.Please provide more information on this. This Rig reminds me of the FLC.https://maxvelocitytactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/MVT_FLC_Front.jpgAlso the south Africa rig looks like it can deliver similar results.https://www.military1st.com/30993v-mfh-south-african-assault-vest-flecktarn.html
>>62872372Depends on the MOLLE strap. Old school snap button MOLLE strap won't fit through an ITW Looploc (https://na.itwnexus.com/content/looplocs), but it will work just fine an ITW d-ring (https://na.itwnexus.com/content/d-rings). Most every other kind of MOLLE strap should work fine with the Looploc.>>62872388>D rings seem like they like to twist in most applications, just my experience.I've not experienced this with the ITW d-ring. Maybe it's the angle on it, or the way the arch is shaped. I could see it being more of a potential problem on most metal d-rings, though.
>>62873635It’s a GCS Hgear they are pretty cheap they sit in the 20 to 30 dollar range and are pretty readily available. They have 8x3 selection of molle on each side panel with there being 5x5 or 5x4 depending on the size on the backside of the harness, it has an easy to adjust cumber band. It sits high on you to allow you use a belt . I’m using mine as a battle jacket like the one you posted and it’s been doing great in that role but it does have some issues like you can overload the front 4 Molle selections it will cause it to sag and it suffers the same problem the FLC has where it’s big because it’s meant to go over armor. The manufacturer has a video on YouTube with different set ups I will link it beyond.https://youtu.be/2HV4VWgJlVs?si=H3maH4RuE9GHmZOt
>>62871533We need ceramic tiles held together with $300 worth of JB weld
>>62873749good shit. Thanks for the video. This breaks down the whole system.I was looking at pics. I like the easy on easy off nature of some of these Rigs. I have a black hawk saw gunner rig, smersh, customized ALICE so I sort of collect them.
>>62871469Get the field manual that teaches you to use tiles, milk cartons and phone books.
>>62873830No problem it’s a underrated piece of kit that you can do a lot with I’m currently on a LBE kick and I’m eyeing up the a British PLCE kit.
>>62873754ceramic tiles held together by economy glue
>>62873754>>62873959Let's compromise on Bondo.
I ordered some of the AliExpress body armor. It should hopefully be here soon for testing. I'll post results when I do. I might make a whole new thread, but I'm announcing it for the poorfags out there. Only 10"×12" so I'll only have small sections I can test without them getting [too] compromised. My plan is...>1/4 115gr 9mm FMJ through my PCC (16" barrel)If it survives with the increased velocities of a PCC, it will definitely be ok with all handgun barrel lengths and the velocities they can produce.>2/4 85gr 7.62 Tok PPU through an M57 (4.6" barrel)7.62 Tok is know for it's supposed body armor defeating capabilities. I specified PPU because it's always seemed on the lighter side of 7.62 Tok ammo, more like 7.63 Mauser in feel to me. I don't have anymore polish surplus to test it with, so this will have to do. >3/4 240gr/200gr 44 Mag through a Model 69 Combat Magnum (2 3/4" barrel)Not an ideal barrel length for testing, but it's the only 44 Mag I have access to. I'll also try to get some 200gr over the 240gr I currently have to maximize velocity, but 44 Mag has been a pain to get and expensive. I only reload 44 Spl, and all my 44 Mag is Blazer Aluminum and can't be reloaded (to true magnum specs and easily, at least). >4/4 FREE SPACE [Possibly 115gr 9mm out of a Glock 19 (4" barrel) if it doesn't survive the PCC, or just see if it will survive 50+ rounds of 22lr (probably aguila super extra) or how many it takes to defeat]My plan is to take these shots somewhere between 7-10yds, depends how risk averse I feel that day, from a rest. Closer is better, but it being that rigid ballistic panel Lvl IIIa, I'm worried about some kind of bounce back. There won't be any breakup/shrapnel like with steel, but I'd still rather be safe. I'll be placing a gallon water jug behind it so it has something backing it up, and to see the energy transfer on shots. It won't be the best test, as many of the shots will be close to the edge instead of the center.
>>62874351>44 Mag has been a pain to get and expensive. I only reload 44 SplWorth pointing out those cases aren't weak, the guns are. If your gun will take .44 mag it'll eat spicy specials all day.
>>62874371I understand I could load up some 44 Spl to higher pressures, and a longer length to increase case capacity and prevent it from being chambered in my 44 Spl revolver accidentally. However, I just don't want to piss with seeing how much I could max it out or making sure it hits well in the combat magnum (especially if I'm lengthing the OAL for safety changing my point of impact from where it is with 44 Spl or 44 Mag). I only have 220gr projectiles for reloading, so my velocity increase won't be as significant if I could get some 200gr factory ammo. I'm also not going to go buy some 200gr projectiles when I still have 500+ 220gr projectiles on hand. And again, it's still only going to be out of a revolver with a 2 3/4" barrel. I also think seeing how it stacks up against commercial loadings instead of some pissin' hot handloads is more applicable and practical.
>>62874400I'm not sure commercial .44 spl is super relevant in any scenario. However you get it going at upwards of 1000fps and it'll do a fair impersonation of .45+P, that is a thing you can be worried about.You'll have some mag brass afterwards anyway, I suppose.
>>62874428>I'm not sure commercial .44 spl is super relevant in any scenarioDo you mean 44 Mag? Because I won't be testing it with 44 Spl. I'll be using Blazer Aluminum 44 Mag 240gr in the test most likely. I think 44 Mag is relevant, purely because that is still what's advertised as the max round IIIa armor is made/claimed to be able to stop. That's pushing the upper limits of handgun calibers and what could reasonably be expected (might have too high of expectations) for $19 chink armor plates.
>>62874436>Do you mean 44 MagNot if it's Blazer ally out of a snub. Take a chrono and you'll see what I mean.
>>62871445If your kit doesn't have duct tape holding something together then GTFO of this thread
>>62871643Ergo?
LAST CHANCE for poorfags:https://shop.tacticalshit.com/chase-tactical-4sas4-10x12-shooter-cut-multi-curve-plateDecent Level IV plates at $99/ea. They're not great, but that kind of price hasn't been seen in years.
OP was in such a rush to create a new /pfg/ before the last one even hit its bump limit that he forgot to put "Poorfag General" in the title.
Any tips for riveting leather? I want to make a sling. Riveting seems cheaper and easier than sewing.
>>62876681It's faster. My tip would be "don't".
>>62874351Did you buy 3a? I'd ALMOST be willing to trust my life to any rifle "rated" plate against any pistol rounds, even chinesium. It just gets dicier with spicy intermediate. I'd expect that to be a 3a+ if it was made right. I don't expect its anything but than a pure PE plate, and I have several of those Italian surplus lvl 3 plates that are good for anything without a hardened core/perpetrator.
>>62875396cool site.thnx
>>62876726Why?
>>62876681Stitching leather is neat. Get a kit on amazon and some leather and make something.
>>62876986Because rivets are much weaker and less durable. If you want leather for aesthetic reasons, at least give it a chance to wear in and look nice. If you want fast and durable just get some 1" webbing and triglides.
>>62876929This has caveats. Rifle-rated all PE armor is very sketchy against hardened steel core or better pistol ammunition. See Buffman's 9x19mm DM91, a tungsten core AP, testing. Will you likely encounter this ammo? No, but it's a pretty critical weakness if the situation changes and you can't switch out plates for something ceramic.
>>62871437Get a load of moneybags over here, my carrier was $10 peruvian surplus.
>>62876929>Did you buy 3a?Yep. The rifle rated stuff was too expensive ($40) for a test I'll post to a Thai Hat Repairing forum.
>>62872388Too expensive. I bought some vest pouches from Aliexpress. You'll hear it from me first when I get them in two more weeks. Most of the shit on Amazon is chink shit that has the Amazon Tax put onto shitty products. You might as well just save some money and buy it from the chinks if you're going to settle for poverty gear.
>>62877723To add onto this, most of the Amazon chinesium is sold by resellers who literally buy off of Alibaba (Aliexpress but bulk) and resell at a markup. Buying from Aliexpress directly allows you to often buy a generation ahead of what you can get on Amazon.
>>62877065Tungsten core 9x19 being encountered in the wild is a hell of a situation change. If that ever happens just grab your stillsuit and body shield from the ornithopter.
>>62877541Hey don't knock it, llama blankets are surprisingly bullet resistant.
Any STANAG mag recommendations?
>>62878097I got 10 of those steel Korean mags a year ago for $5/mag. They all run, but some people claim they have issues with the followers. Idk, I've not had an issue in my poorfag PSA/Anderson/Aero frankenARs. Probably have that deal again on Black Friday. Otherwise, just get the PSA $80 for 10 PMAGs w/free shipping deal.
>>62878173The dirt cheap gook Glock mags have always worked fine for me too.>>62878097If you want something you can just go and buy instead of waiting for a deal, just get the PSA ally ones that are a tenner. Huge piles of D&H for the cost of one load, can't go far wrong.
Bump.
>>62871437Gigabased OP
>>62871764Kys, richfag
>>62871764>>62871437On the note: how shit is radical firearms (compared to PSA) this looks like a good deal and I know a poorfag looking to get his first ARhttps://battlehawkarmory.com/product/radical-firearms-rf-15-5.56mm-16-barrel-1-30rd-magazine-rpr-m-lok-rail-rifle-1
>>62882610Forgot pic
>>62874351Even if you make a thread, post the results here.
>>62874351>>62882620Also, do chinesium level IVs.i want to know
>>62882616>better price than PSA>lifetime warrantyNice find, anon
>>62882610>>62882616PSA and Radical are pretty comparable. That's not a bad price at all for that rifle, especially since it comes with B5 furniture instead of the typical waffle stock and A2 grip. Crimson Trace red dot is jank, but at that price it's a freebie and you can always buy a Romeo 5 or Holosun down the road.
>>62882610>>62882650Also, SOCOM profile barrel instead of gov. SOCOM profile is superior.
>>62873521crab detected. based.
Paxton Creek Supply has 10% off the rest of the month with code NOV10. They sell surplus and do dye jobs.
>>62882650>>62882658Thanks guys. That's what I thought looking at it
Venture has a 3 day assault pack bundle sale going, mix of new/used ger, ~$60. But also has the "pouches only" bunle at ~$30, which is also pretty good. I like ACU and don't care what anyone says. ASU will rise again!
>>62882610go with andro corp instead for a bit cheaper evenhttps://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperstore.com/products2.cfm/ID/278069/55616bb/andro-corp-industries-aci-15-bravo16-mlok-5.56-nato-ar-15-rifle-with-16-inch-barrel-and-black-finish
I think I'm getting fleeced by my LGS on 223 but I looked up the ammo prices online and they weren't insanely different. could some anons to report in on what CPR and brands they're getting?
>>62889701Mostly Win/LC M193, IIRC it was somewhere around 40cpr. I believe there was cheaper but I want usable brass.
Anyone have experience with the tisas 5.7?
>>62890417>tisas 5.7I've heard they're ok. I've only shot a rock 5.7, and that was fine. Tisas is one of those things that's actually cheap enough for review sites to actually buy and review honestly. As they're not like a $2000 pistol that they get sent a review sample of and need to stay in the good graces of X company to keep getting them. There's also no real crazy brand loyalty and people that bought them on a whim, so they won't feel the need to pull any punches. I'd start looking for review sites and forum posts on them.
>>62889701My last LGS visit, the subtotal was $11 for a box of 20 rounds [X-TAC, 55/62gr]. But I don't like going there too often because the owner comes across as unhinged
>>62890993>call the owner crazy>get actual low iq schizo wall of text as a replyWhere is this? Sounds like a good lolcow.
>>62891115Shop's called Ammo A-Z>lolcowOh, yeah, the lowest ratings section of the Google reviews page are hilariousSome more examples >>62862779>>62857383
>>62890993>>62891205Fucking hell, I'm glad the LGS I go to is run by a normal dude with a cute German shepherd.What store is this? Ammo AZ? >>62857383 What a weird design for a gun store. It looks like a fucking Apple store or something. Maybe there are more like this than I realized, but all the LGSes I've been to in my state just look like a typical LGS.
I need a list of military surplus sites to recommend for the gear queer section. I'd also like to recommend a simple plate carrier like the condor sentry or Vism Discreet. Any better ones? Does anyone have a specific harness they recommend? I know the FLC is super cheap.Here are my recommendations.EbayVentureSurplusmilitarysurplusworldsportsmansguide
>>62871764>looks like a fucking Apple storeThat's on purpose, his idea was to let customers finger pistols or rifles without employee supervision (ups productivity in theory)
>>62891815 was meant for >>62891647
>>62891797Paxton Creek SupplyodggllcPiedmont Regional Outfitters>>62891815>>62891823I mean, it's not a bad idea really, but the internet design looks even more sterile than an Apple store. Dude should give it some personality. The tables look llifeless and those yellow walls are terrible. At least get nice looking stained tables. Something like pic related.I know I probably sound like a fag here, but proper branding and interior design go a long way in distinguishing a business from others.
>>62891904>internet designKek, that's supposed to be "interior design."
>>62891815>apple store of gun stores>whiny owner throwing tantrums on the internetChecks out.
>>62871437Not gonna pay $20 for sidelplate pouches when I can just use some scrap cardboard and misc duct tape to make some sideplate spacers to slide into my cummerbund.
>>62891918>Dude should give it some personalityThe old store, the walls of which were also yellow, had pic rel on display on the second floor like a sentry over seeing customers. No joke!>>62892076>same haircut for 20 years>unironic cape shitYep, it all fits together
>>62892145Jesus. I'm just going to guess, califag transplant.
>>62890993Outstanding, if it weren't so far I would immediately patronise this fine establishment.
>>62891815>his idea was to let customers finger pistols or rifles without employee supervisionThat's actually a really fucking good idea. The yellow paint, not so much.
>>62889075Based as fuck.>Rifle: $369 shipped>FFL transfer $20>Romeo red dot: $109 (call it $10 shipping)>Condor Chest rig:$31 shipped>10x Mags: $90 shipped (https://gunmagwarehouse.com/ets-gen-2-ar-15-223-5-56-30-round-black-magazine.html)>Nalgene+pouch/carbineer :$10>Sling: $20 on Amazon You have a basic kit for $650. If you can save $110 a week, you are a low level Skinny NPC in a month and a half. You could go with irons and save $70, I guess. Boots would be good too, but those are genuinely useful outside of LARPing, so I don't think they count.
I really wanna make DIY fiberglass plates. fiberglass mats cured with resin to about 5/8" thick pressed between 2 plate shaped molds. trim the excess, maybe give it a rubber coating to lower dust/splintering. carriers are a scam I'm gonna make that shit with duct tape. use some camo hockey tape on the outside layer and nobody can tell it's not a store bought carrier under your gear. total cost would probably be around $50 at Home Depot. https://youtu.be/_7jiIQOgwtI?si=2CLrK25mNIOb5GAq
>>62892823Slightly above Skinny NPC tier>IFAK: $30(https://www.ebay.com/itm/285101598161?itmmeta=01JD3H2KCMB70ASEGQ4WEQT2EA&hash=item42616125d1:g:JWIAAOSwReJjub4G)>TQ: $40>Baochag radio: $40>Signaling mirror: like $5>Parachord:$10>Knife: like $20 to infinity>Multitool: free (you should already own one)>Boots: ditto>Headlamp: $20>Gloves: idkSuggestions for poorfag tactical gloves?$135+glovesLet's do a three day pack now>FIBLE:$28 (https://thunderheadoutfitters.com/filbe-usmc-main-pack-coyote/?sku=US-FILBE-Rucksack-CIF)>FIBLE Bladder pouch:$7>Bladder: $10>Flashlight: you should already have one $0>Socks: ditto($0) >Poncho: $20 on Amazon >Woobie: $35 shipped (https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/genuine-us-military-poncho-liner-army-acu/)>Sleeping bag: idk, suggestions?>Hammock?>More Paracord: $10>Mess tin: $15$125+hammock/sleeping bag$670+$135+$125+plus the cost of gloves, a hammock and a sleeping bag, and shit that you should honestly just own ($970) gets you basic gear, not counting common disposable items (lighters, pencils, electrical tape, etc.) and clothes.It's absurdly cheap.
>>62892871Use the cheapest epoxy you can find on Amazon. It's better than bondo resin in every regard. Forget the rubber coating. If it doesn't penetrate it won't splinter or create a lot of dust. If it penetrates you are already fucked. Depending on the weight of the fiberglass you might only need 24 layers for 3a protection. 24oz woven is around 20-22 layers, 18oz is 24 layers, 10oz might be 30. I've never used 10oz before so that one is a guess. You can try less layers with 24oz and 18oz, but you'll start getting higher BFD and eventual pens.https://www.amazon.com/Epoxy-Resin-Gallon-Self-Leveling-High-Glossy/dp/B0BXPSWLRS?th=1This will work.
>>62892991>glovesWhy gloves? I’ve been shooting my entire life and have never used or needed gloves. Even when I shoot the fuck out of my ar, my handguard has never gotten hot enough to require gloves. Just genuinely curious about why people use them.
>>62892991>poorfag tactical glovesNomex flight gloves, or those old D3-A gloves with the fingers cut off if you're a cool guy. Also Paxton Creek Supply that >>62889064 mentioned above has a nice dyed ACU belt kit for $50, $63 with harness.
>>62893114I meant >>62885755 but whatever.
>>62893101I mean, if you're going to be doing minuteman shit, you should have gloves, just like in any manual labor job. They aren't necessarily for shooting (but something that could be used for shooting is a good idea, imo
>>62893114>Nomex flight glovesAny advantage over these for $8https://www.venturesurplus.com/products/usmc-frog-gloves-coyote/
>>62893148Not that I'm aware of, I didn't know those FROG gloves existed.
>>62892991>Poncho: $20 on Amazon >Woobie: $35 shippedIf this is for combo foul weather gear/basha purposes that goes on your 24h kit. Bungees are better than 550 for bashas.>Hammock?Bad idea unless you're just camping. You do not want to have to roll out of a hammock in a hurry in the dark.>Mess tinWaste of space, you have a canteen cup.
>>62893059I only mention rubber coatings because I can get some ridiculously tough commercial grade polyurethane parking deck coating from my job, a thick coat of that on at least the face to prevent shit flying up in my face. when these plates get hit they shoot fibers everywhere and polyurethane is stretchy like flesh, the temporary wound cavity closes up and should contain everything.
>>62893231I would skip the cheapo epoxy and just use the good urethane throughout. What you really want is something like Araldite 564 but you're not going to find that lying around. Bondo is polyester and crap outside its job.
>>62892529>>62892588>>62892681Danger's his middle name, LMAO
>>62893310See this is why race mixing is a bad idea.
>>62875396These plates any good?
>>62893059I was also thinking of trying out a new medium other than resin/epoxy altogether. something flexible. the medium only holds the layers of fiber mat together and the fibers are what stop the bullet. resin will add to the deformation of the bullet on impact but you can just have a harder layer like ceramic tile on the face, rather than a hard material encasing the entire plate. Dymonic 100 is my favorite caulk, it's strong as fuck. I've seen a 3" flat caulk bead hold up a 1000lb steel frame beam, it had to be cut for it to collapse. thin layers of that shit between the mats with adequate time to cure, that shit will never delaminate and be able to flex like a soft plate.
>>62893316Hapas were a mistake
>>62893328You're just adding filler there.
>>62893319Yes. They're obviously pretty heavy but definitely not the heaviest cheap level 4 plates. No strike face foam like more modern plates, but as long as you're not faceplanting onto concrete, it's really not an issue. Definitely a good plate for $99.
>>62893319level 4 plates under the old system stop the same threat as today's level 4's. It uses fiberglass as a backer instead of poly and might not have the cushion in front of the ceramic in case it drops.
>>62893362not adding filler, just replacing the space that the resin already occupies. a skim coat on the mat, butter the next one before laying it down, press it down with some clamps. should be roughly the same thickness. the only difference is this will be lighter and be able to flex like soft armor.
>>62893419Caulk is resin with filler.
>>62893184>>62893184>If this is for combo foul weather gear/basha purposes that goes on your 24h kit. Bungees are better than 550 for bashas.I guess I'm not really making a distinction between 24 and 56 hour kits. If you have too much shit for a 24 hour, you can stash it.>Canteen cup vs mess tinThis seems like a minimal difference desu
>>62882610>>62882616>>62887382i got one of these and there are definitely some QC issues. The hand guard in particular is pretty shitty and doesn't sit flush with the UR. The barrel also is kinda low quality despite le ebin profile. That being said I bought it because it was cheap and i wasn't under any LARP illusions. Its a range toy at the end of the day
>>62893829>minimal differenceYour canteen cup fits over your canteen and takes up no real space, mess tins are another pouch filled.
>>62893852Fair enough.>>62893853If your 24hr/56hr pack is the same one space is less of an issue (though weight still is). What would you suggest
>>62893977(Also, I think the difference is minimal enough that it comes down to preference)
>>62893977Your means to boil water also needs to be on your 24h kit, i.e. on your person at all times. Packs get dropped and lost, nothing critical goes in your pack unless you have no other choice. Even if you're just camping. Shit goes south sometimes.
>>62894014To me, if you have to boil water without your 3 day pack, you're fucked. Either you're getting relieved or dead (from dehydration or otherwise) anyways
>>62894047All you need's a hexy tab and a canteen and now you're warmer and probably a lot happier. It's not exactly rocket surgery.
>>62875396cool, so what's the cheapest plate vest i can get?
>>62894127You're looking at Condor. Will you look cool? No. Will it work? Yes.
>>62894163ty, will get the Compact Plate Carrier then, it's 40 bucks
>>62894195If you want to chuck it in a cupboard against the end of the world you're good with that. If you want to mince around in it on the weekends, look in the $70-80 area.
>>62894195The materials and build quality might be ok, but don't waste your money on a shitty design. You can get a used WTF plate carrier for around $50 on GAFS. Or try your luck on this Shaw Arc clone and report back. It looks pretty legithttps://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806940279359.html
>>62894127Check out the Whiskey Tango 4 Plate Carrier 1310 bucks more than condors cheapest carrier but it might have something you want vs condor.
>>62873521How comfortable does the Defendor Fortis LBE ride? Why did you swap out the backpack that it usually comes with? I really like the addition of the Army fanny pack. One thought, you could dye the whole thing to somewhat match.
>>62897168Always bear in mind that being too matchy-matchy and symmetrical is counterproductive. A green dude-outline is still the outline of a dude.
>>62898586I’m too broke for all my shit to match. When my friends give me hand-me-down gear, I use it regardless of whether or not it matches my shit.
>>62875396>>62893319I ordered these on the 9th. They haven't shipped yet, but from what I understand Chase Tactical just distributes reskined highcom plates which are G2G from what I understand. 99$ a plate it seems like an insane deal for multicurve level IV, and are still like a pound lighter than RMA 1155s I think. They're even cheaper too.
What chest rigs do you guys reccomend? Is Condor gtg or will it fall apart if I actually wear it outside?I wanna upgrade from my chicom shit and can't figure out what to get
>>62875373>he can afford ducktapelemme guess you have loaded magazines and a semi auto gun aswell?
>>62873848theres one by the US army somewhereimprovised ordnances manual or something along those lines
>>62900071Get your kit together as worn then dust a can of khaki paint over it, job's a good 'un.>>62900372I would personally not recommend a chest rig, but there's enough footage of guys in Condor gear hanging around warzones that I wouldn't be too bothered about a weekend walk in it.
>>62872388>black Friday deal>$20 for a fucking nylon pouchScamazon has gone full retard. Buy it off Aliexpress where the reseller got it for $4.
>>62900372What kind of mag retention? Flaps, bungee, kydex, or elastic? Medical on belt or chest rig? How much GP storage do you need? Do you want plate carrier compatibility?
>>62900895>What kind of mag retention?Flaps is what I'm used to, but I'm open to new methods>Medical on belt or chest rig?I don't have a good belt setup rn so let's just say on the chest rig>How much GP storage do you need?Likely not much, just enough for the small shit I don't keep in the pack>Do you want plate carrier compatibility?I can live without it, I'm a bit too poor for plates anywaySince I'm saying all this, might as well add my budget, which is probably gonna be around $200
>>62900928If you don't mind Chinese airsoft gear, this is the setup I got off Aliexpress recently. Haven't done any LARPing with it yet, but it's comfy, doesn't glow under NV, and everything looks well made. I got it for under $100. You could put together something similar for less by going with a regular H harness instead of the knockoff Airlite. Don't have links for everything, but you should be able to find them easily.>airlite harness >thing 2>DMGear magazine pouch>JSTA x2>raid danglerBut I'll be replacing one of the JSTA pouches with a large GP pouch.
>>62900928>$200I'm going to throw this out as a wild card.https://www.cetomilitaria.co.uk/ourshop/prod_5340640-Desert-GP-Ops-Waistcoat.htmlNot suggesting you buy from here, you should find one for about $50 without much trouble though.
>>62900372Nyet, chicom is fine.
FLC is g.o.a.t-------------------Seems to be most comfortable option available out of all the H-rig options. I haven't tested ALL of them but I have a few.Blackhawk LRAK (Rifleman Gunner mix version)SMERSH (rifleman)ALICE (lots of customized pouches)Blackhawk Padded Molle belts (these are all the same basically with a H-suspenders attached)Have em all but FLC can't be beat. You can occupy every piece of realestate on the vest and load balance it.Goes over any slick plate carrier if you w ear armor.Is 20 bucks at every gun show and is the most effective POOR GUY shit out there.
>>62871437Primary Arms MD-RBGII Classic Series Gen II for $50 new. get it or save for better?
>>62904514Dogshit. Get a 403R or Romeo 5/Romeo 5 Gen 2
>>62900372>>62900928If you want something made in America, the Citadel Defense Specter chest rig is $210, holds 6 AR mags in flapped pouches, has 2 GP pouches in the style of the USGI canteen pouch, and small pockets on the body facing side for things like a radio, a map pocket, is dangler compatible and comes with an H harness.https://www.citadeldefensemn.com/store/p/the-spectre-american-minuteman-chest-rig
>>62904880FLChttps://youtu.be/ZlDC1JL8Yh8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlDC1JL8Yh8
>>62904948I've seen this video. I like his channel. A good resource for UCP/ACU dying tips. I think the FLC is definitely a viable option if you're on a really tight budget, but I prefer a standard chest rig.
>>62875396Reports are that those were privately tested by Buffman and performed terribly. I wouldn't buy them until more details are released.
FLC's are a good starting point because you can get a bare bones nothing on it for like 15-20 bucks and then you can go anywhere with it. I have a bunch of different chest rigs and to be honest as cool as they look, they aren't anywhere as near as comfortable to wear as a FLC
>>62905544Buffman on Reddit said not to get them. Video will be out Tuesday it sounds like. I already bought 2.
>>62906301That makes me feel better about my 4SAS7 purchase
>>62875387>>62871643Urgo, Bubala
me want helmet
>>62906549Yu?
>>62906631they call Yu, Yu Guan Shi during the system lord meeting, but the Jade Emperor Yudi is not Guanyu.... shame
>>62905544It's covered pretty extensively over in /gq/. The plate performed horribly, likely because it had no drop protection foam like .06 plates are required to (it adheres to the older NIJ 0101.04 standard) and Buffman shot it after an improv replica of the .06 drop test.>>62906500You did well to spend the extra cash. You get what you pay for with armor. If the deal is too good, it's almost guaranteed to come with caveats. I do wonder how much better the 4SAS7's durability is compared to the 4SAS4, since it isn't 0101.06-certified either.
>>62906167Paxton Creek Supply used to sell a "Rifleman Handout Kit" that was based on the FLC for $25.https://paxtoncreeksupply.com/products/ols/products/rifleman-buddy-handout-bundlesNo idea if he's ever going to restock it, but it's an example of how cheaply you can throw together a chest rig with milsurp.
>>62906712>likely because it had no drop protection foamIt strikes me that a sheet of neoprene is really fucking cheap. If there's one thing that really pisses me off it's people passing their deliberate retardation off as somebody else's negligence.
>>62906948Yeah, but you see, the armor companies do tend to occasionally get into competitions on who has the thinner and the lighter plate, and the neoprene detracts from that. That's why in the year 2024 so many 0101.04 plates are still being sold even though that standard was out of style by 2005 (0101.05IR).
>>62906969I'm sure that matters if you're playing Gear Queer Top Trumps or submitting an RFQ, but over here in reality it's equivalent to those fucking niggers who'll pull a brand new gun out of the box and go "yeah we're not gonna lube this, let's just shoot it and see what happens".
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>>62874351I've seen plates on Temu and have been tempted to get one or two.
>>62906992If you're too strapped for proper IIIA, it honestly wouldn't be a bad idea to pick up a dozen of those for use as hand-out plates for your "crew" in civil unrest situations. The IIIA PE plates are very light, and... this is antithetical to how modern armor is supposed to function... they're still an improvement in survivability even if they stop listed threats on a purely v50 basis.
The real question here is why is Chase Tactical selling "contract overrun" plates with a manufacture date of 11/24?"But they were made for Ukraine or whatever!" I mean, maybe. Who knows? I don't want to get all political here, but many companies are selling all sorts of shit to Ukraine because many soldiers are buying their own gear because Zelenskyy is pocketing as much of the money sent over there as he can instead of outfitting the men doing the fighting with high quality kit. Just because something is being sold to Ukraine doesn't necessarily mean it's good.Honestly, I'd rather spend double what the Chase plates cost and buy the Militech level 3+ plates. Despite being made in China, they're actually good and stop just about anything I'd actually encounter in real life. It's probably the best poorfag plate out there.
>>62907006>Honestly, I'd rather spend double what the Chase plates cost and buy the Militech level 3+ plates.When you have the option of $99 plates that are less than stellar, but probably good enough, why would you spend more money on Chinese plates? Militech rifle plates are a great option for people outside the US who have to deal with ITARS, but nonsensical when we have so many options here. Their IIIA stuff is good, though.
>>62907006I second your recommendation for the Militech III+, with one caveat. Militech is a relatively new armor manufacturer, and while their plates are a significant cut above other Chinese plates, we don't know how well their plates hold up over time. I'm talking about issues like gradual delamination due to adhesive failure between the component layers of the plate. Even Ceradyne has fallen prey to that before - so badly that it cost them the GEN-IV SOCOM SPEAR contracts. Militech hasn't been making plates for a while so I'd exercise caution in how they hold up long term. Everyone used to swear by TAP Gamma plates a decade ago, and they delaminated like hell. Not a problem with proven manufacturers, generally speaking, with exceptions here and there as per Ceradyne.Also, more than just Chase are selling the 4SAS4s. Tacticalshit and other dealers like Apex. I have a sneaking suspicion, probably like you do, that there were shenanigans in the 4SAS4 contract. It doesn't make sense that Highcom brought a 20 year old design out of retirement, literally the predecessor to the 4SAS7 that's already been around forever, so Ukraine can save a buck. Something smells.
>>62907022Different requirements. The 4SAS4 is required, as a 0101.04 Level IV plate, to defeat one hit of .30-06 M2AP at 2,850ft/s. A Militech adhering to current Level III requirements defeats six rounds of 7.62x51mm FMJ at 2,780ft/s. Level IVs are not required to pass the Level III test, and accordingly the Militech will likely do a hell of a lot better, owing to its ceramic + PE construction, than the dated ceramic-fiberglass composite that is the 4SAS4 in the multi-hit department against realistic rifle threats - M855, M193, 7.62x39 MSC, basic .308. M2AP is a rare bird and the 4SAS4 costs a lot of extra weight to stop it compared to the Militech.
>>62907036Also, one caveat I forgot to mention with this post. Don't go with the all-polyethylene Level III plate from Militech, it'll get its ass kicked by M855 and other steel core threats. Stick to the RF2 / III+ and III++ models.
>>62907006It's entirely possible they manufactured on spec with no contract in place.
>>62907048That still begs the question. Why bring the 20 year old 4SAS4 out of retirement?
>>62907025The concern you stated about how well the Militech plate will hold up over time is valid. Can't really know unless I buy and own them for several years. How long did it take for those TAP Gamma plates to start delaminating?>It doesn't make sense that Highcom brought a 20 year old design out of retirement, literally the predecessor to the 4SAS7 that's already been around forever, so Ukraine can save a buck. Something smells.100% agree.
>>62907053Anywhere from 5 to 10 years, naturally dependent on usage and storage conditions since it was the adhesive which failed. That's usually right around the typical warranty period is for plates, which is probably where the semi-recent fuddism that ceramics "expire" comes from. Thing is, good ceramics are shelf-stable armor. Take a look at pic related for how an out of warranty Hesco 4400 held up to an anon's test. Also keep in mind this is a plate that lost its NIJ certification, just like the RMA 1155 below it.
>>62907052Because they heard Ukraine was buying any old shit with infinite money and wanted to cash in?
>>62907066Then why not the marginally more expensive 4SAS7 they were already selling? The 4SAS4s have new manufacturing dates from this year, so it's not like Highcom raided an old warehouse out in the boondocks to recover a pre-9/11 stash of old-ass armor for this contract.It's odd to me that they deliberately spooled up production of the 4SAS7's predecessor to maybe edge off a little weight here and there, with huge consequences to durability per the Buffman test.
>>62871437My guy is in the section 8 housing of Martin Luther King Blvd :,,,,(
>>62907092And everybody's got Highcum 4SAS4s that are about to go on deep clearance once the Buffman video gets out. This ain't section 8 fool, this is level 4 section 4.
>>62907082That's where you'd have to be working there to find out the story. Generally speaking it reads like "perceived opportunity to turn cheap materials into pocketed yidbux". And it's not like they're running real production lines here, this is guy in shed stuff.
>>62907105You do raise an interesting point. It's possible that the "4SAS4" being sold today is made of substandard aluminum oxide and fiberglass that was otherwise rejected from the production lines for 4SAS7s, and it's not really the same 4SAS4 that was a reliable standby in the early 2000s. That would be a pretty serious deception though, I'm not sure Highcom would be up for that. It would explain why the 4SAS4 is behaving like bottom-dollar Chinesium armor though.
>>62907121I doubt anyone is the Crimean clown show would notice/care.
>>62907127*in
>>62907127Especially not when the plates are subjected to harsh wear and tear, degrading their performance and masking their original substandard construction, and definitely not when faced with out-of-spec threats like pic related.
>>62907134Small arms are the least of your worries on an actual battlefield. Plates aren't doing shit about the things you ought to be concerned about.
>>62907164The return of the flak jacket is near.
>>62906947Damn good source.
I got a plate carrier with level 4 plates i got for an absolute bargain but no side platesThose dropshipping parasites (who I know for a FACT just import shit from china) want 250€ per side plate, 500€ in total, which is retardedWhat would you recomend in that situation?Should I even go for level 4 side plates or would a 3a vest suffice (I could wear under the plates?)Is 30+ year old kevlar any good or disintegrated and useless?Should I just buy 1 level 4 plate and saw it in half? Buy shit from ali express?Pic related my carrier so people don't think I'm shitposting.TL;DR: What's the best budget side protection option?
>>62907629Buy a chase tactical plate and cut two side plates out of it ta da
>>62907629>Is 30+ year old kevlar any good or disintegrated and useless?Depends heavily on the conditions it was used/stored in. I'd be wary.As far as what side plates to use, I find hard plates cumbersome. If I was going to use side armor, I'd probably go with soft armor for protection from frag. Ultimately it depends on what you're doing and what kind of threats you'll be dealing with.
>>62871437>Need a swing swivel? They're free.Get on my level, faggots
>>62907172>The return of the flak jacket is near.But can modern man handle the return of the sleeveless DRIP?
>>62910992Just use paracord, lol.
>>62910992Get paracord and a pack of triglides. Use 2 triglides on each end.
>>62911138>>62911317There's nothing inherently wrong with a piece of bent wire. Obviously there's a lot wrong with that specific piece of bent wire.
I loved the old /pfg/, but I'm just so tired of poor people. They are just so common. We would all be richer if poor people would just stop breeding. Same for stupid people. Poor stupid, people are the worst! Rich stupid people should die too. Poor smart people should be smart enough to just off themselves. With poor people, stupid people, rich stupid people, poor smart people all dead, life would be better for smart, rich, handsome and sexy people like me. You have to agree.
Got a set of functional Baigish-6U night vision binoculars for €20. Even came with the 9V adapter.I am pretty hyped.
>>62911138>>62911317Didnt have any
>>62913387Paracord is overrated for everything except survival bracelets. Duct tape is what you want.
>>62913387Here ya go: https://www.amazon.com/Paracord-Store-550-Ranger-Green/dp/B089RT5HWV/
>>62912861Ok planned parenthood
>>62913631>$12Too expensive. Do I look like some sort of richfag?
>>62913675>Too expensiveVenture has 100' hanks for $5. Death to the poor.
>>62913695Go back to /arg/, with rest of the trannies faggot
>>62913720Omg, too poor for a $5 hank of poopoo cord!
>>62913695>Venture has 100' hanks for $5Yeah, but after you add shipping cost it's around the same price as Amazon.
>>62913760>Add cheap items and get free shipLrn2shp
>>62913736>Poorfag general >Death to the poorKys or leave
>>62914580>tired of poor squabsLift your self up.
>>62914382You gotta buy at least $80 worth of stuff to get free shipping at Venture, lol.>spend $13 at Amazon to get paracord>add $75 worth of stuff to $5 paracord order to get free shipping at VentureCome on anon.
>>62916116/arg/trannies should really fuck off
>>62914382>>62916116this is 1000% girl math.
>>62917909Exactly. The math is there.
>>62916116There. More than you'll ever need.
>>62918251>fake 550"Paracord" is NOT 550 cord.
Is this the best 10/22 variant?
>>62918468I'm not worried about my nylon cord not having a NSN
>>62918468Lose weight fatty.
any cheap Chinese non-steel(light weight) plates in 14x11" size?
>>62919486Militech RF2 Xl SAPI
>>62918919>t. cord glowerShine, baby! Shine!>>62919274Jelly.
>>62919629>cord glowerKek, why did I laugh so hard at this? Imagine you're hiding in the dark from blue helmets and your Chinese 550 cord gets you killed because it was glowing brighter than the sun under IR.
Has anyone tested the chink ballistic helmets?
>>62921408Which ones? The Militech helmets perform essentially as they should. As far as I can tell, most (if not all) of the helmets are made in the same factory and use that orangey aramid that China makes. The Militech ones are made using Teijin Twaron brand aramid though.A big problem is many of the Chinese helmets have shitty rails, shrouds and retention systems. Depending on the version you get, the shroud and rails might be okay, but the retention systems are all pretty much the same and need to be replaced with something better.
