How long until nato sends them nuke tipped missiles?
>>62882437Forever, because there's zero benefit, rhyme, or reason to do it, and the US administrations are shit scared of Russian nukes.
>>62882437Before Dec.
I hate how fucking cucked the collective west is.>aaaaaiiiieeeee we cant let ukraine use conventional missiles with a lil farther range >meanwhile north korea joins the war with tens of thousands of troops and no one bats an eye
>62882471That’s because it’s in the “warmongering invasive” wests’ interest not to escalate russias invasion into a bigger war. If they had allowed this earlier you’d be crying about it being terrorism or some shit.
>>62882496>If they had allowed this earlier you’d be crying about it being terrorism or some shitwatI've been calling for the west to massively ramp up aid since spring of 2022
>>62882437I wish a nigga would so Mosqueow and Pidorsburg both turn into flaming craters.
>>62882503I misunderstood. The moment russia proved to be genuinely incompetent, there should have been no limit to Ukraine's use of weapons within millitary reason.
>>62882471subversive political class and lack of race conciousness
>>62882471>>aaaaaiiiieeeee we cant let ukraine use conventional missiles with a lil farther range>>meanwhile north korea joins the war with tens of thousands of troops and no one bats an eyeThen what happened, anon?
>>62882443I want Putin to nuke NYC and DC so bad it is unreal.
>>62882641>I want Putin to nuke NYC and DC so bad it is unreal.cope
>>62882641I want Putin to nuke Russia just like how Belka did
They can’t have more than a few hundred ATACMS, max. Even if that $300m package was 100% ATACMS that’s only 200 missiles. I bet that they only have around 100. If the longer-range variant they got this year is the M48 that still "only" 270km. It’s a hell of a lot better than nothing but it’s not enough.
>>62882641>I want Putin to nuke NYC and DC so bad it is unreal.You would like putin to murder 9 million people and fallout to ruin the lives of million more because your brain is turd world level? Americans may be a pile of retarded worthless shit these days but that does not mean they should be killed
>>62882656they will 100% nuke themselves within the next decade
>>62882682>they will 100% nuke themselves within the next decade
nothing ever happens . webm
>>62882641please, haven't the people of belgrod suffered enough?
>>62882673100 is more than enough to embarrass Putin into declaring one final red line
>>62882641i'm good with london just make sure starmer and the others are there when it happens
>>62882919>i'm good with london>just make sure starmer and the others are there when it happens
>Deleting NYC, LA and London to destroy RussiaThis is a fair trade.
>>62883008>>Deleting NYC, LA and London to destroy Russia>This is a fair trade.Why not just destroy Russia first?
>>62882437they won't but I'm glad the US is actually taking the lead here for once, it was embarrassing to see Britoids have more balls
>>62882437Biden announcing on his last day in office that he'd secretly given them nukes and they were already in place and ready to go would be the wildest fucking thing ever.
If the Dems are serious that Trump is a "fascist" who'll sell Ukraine out, why did they spend three years slow-rolling aid and wait until the last 2 months of Biden's term to approve these strikes?
>>62882437We’ll find out they had Tomahawks all along when Moscow is flattened.
>>62882641Keep going. Hit London, Baltimore, St Louis, Los Angeles, and Chicago too.
>>62883008Problem is it'd actually be the heartland and south because that's where all of our ICBMs and other primary strategic assets are, and then big defense manufacturing centers after that. Targeting capitals and other main cities is a retard strat beyond even what the Russians would do, we even knew that during WWII and it's why we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo, Kyoto, or Osaka.
>>62883050Because constituency is a fickle beast.
>>62883050Because Biden is one of the most cautious presidents out of the 3 presidents we had since the 2000s. He still has to put up with the non interventionist/non escalation narrative.
>>62883067Russian losses last 24 hours and totals personnel is Russians killed and does not include wounded18.11.2024Tanks — 9365 (+15)Armored fighting vehicle — 19059 (+38)Artillery systems — 20586 (+30)MLRS — 1252Anti-aircraft warfare — 999Planes — 369Helicopters — 329UAV — 19073 (+99)Cruise missiles — 2753 (+112)Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Trucks and fuel tankers — 29428 (+107)Special equipment — 3655 (+2)Military personnel — aprx. 722440 people (+1560)>Artillery systems — 20586 (+30)unchanged analysis80.38% of ISS 'themilitarybalance' estimates of 25609 Russian towed and self propelled artillery and mortars, active and reserve Feb 2022 are destroyed approximately 5,023 remain. Also many remaining Russian guns in depots have had their barrels removed to be used as replacements for worn barrels. Russia's chronic vehicle shortage now has a companion chronic artillery shortage, this will begin to leave compromising levels of reduced artillery in portions of the Russian front lines commencing in ~1 days at the attrition rate of the last 12 months. Russia can only use air power and FAB bombs to try and fill the gap, or drastically shorten its lines to retain the same level of artillery cover. I expect it to try and use air power, the consequence will be increased air combat and looses of Russian air frames and an escalating artillery crisis in the Russian forces. There will be an increased mix of begging threats and other PR stunts by the Kremlin to try and get a ceasefire as they have lost this war. Russia will no longer be able to mount any mechanized offensive operations or offensive operation with artillery support (basically all) by spring and Russia will be effectively defenseless against its neighbors if they advance onto Russian territory.Why economic collapse will force Putin to end the warhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxKLaQ1p6os
>>62882919I have a proposal that would please everyone:Putin nukes Jew York, Washington, London, Paris, Israel, and in return we nuke Moscow 5 times
>>62883080>I have a proposal that would please everyone:>Putin nukes Jew York, Washington, London, Paris, Israel, and in return we nuke Moscow 5 timesWhy not just destroy Russia first?
>>62883078Anon, pretty sure I’m not what you think I am. But I’m just saying that Biden is pretty cautious and on the books.
>>62883083I thought President Biden was a better leader than the current day US public deserved.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSFBd7g-oq0
>>62883080we all must give something up in a nuke warthe best thing about it nowadays is the cities are full of the invaders and enablers of the same
>>62883086Not saying he was a bad one(credit on where it’s due, he did manage to improve on lots of things that were expected to not do good), but the main gripes is him being too on the books and cautious over some things. He’s afraid of acting outside of what he perceives as his duty rather than flexing his power as president. I think the Ukraine war is an example of it or the afghan withdrawal.
>>62883087>we all must give something up in a nuke warnot really, Russia could be destroyed today and the Russians would have nothing to retaliate with. Its not the USSR, it's not capable of mutual destruction or surviving a first strike, remember what a total first strike from the USA and EU NATO and G7 nations would look like all conventional and nuclear assets, the Russian air force and navy and launchers C&C and nuclear arsenal and ssbn would be done in the first 20 minutes. I think Putin has created a credible situation for a first strike against Russia just via their threats. Kill them all. Russia has nothing to offer the world except terrorism, lies and tyranny.
>>62882471Based upon my track record of predicting how shittily this war has progressed and how every redline the West as given to Ukraine, only for them to let them cross it later, my prediction is that in 2025 European countries will be supplying Ukraine to missile strike Moscow.These fucking retards have CAUSED escalation by half-heartedly committing to Ukraine. They've just realised they don't want 15 million refugees in Europe again so they're panicking the night before the test.
>>62883067I no longer believe in “it’s the President’s fault” narrative. During Trump’s first term every one of his major actions was thwarted by the bureaucracy. Then when Biden enters office he proceeds to be incredibly weak especially in foreign policy. The narrative is that he’s super-cautious, but what I suspect now after having read some books by various White House figures from Bush to Trump is that Presidents don’t have much power. Power is actually in the hands in federal bureaucracies. It was a spectacle in Trump’s first term, but it’s no less the way things are in Biden’s. Of COURSE Biden asked the military for options to deal with Russia, staying in Afghanistan, dealing with the Houthis, Iran and Israel etc, but what PROBABLY happened is that the military didn’t want to do anything dramatic for whatever reason. Very likely Biden was disappointed by the military’s answer when the question of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine came up, and that’s why his admin went the soft power route. Even if fear of nukes kept him out of Ukraine, that excuse is GONE for the Houthis — yet all he can do is send some ships into the Red Sea which proceeds to fail, and only after ongoing failures do they move to light bombing? The talking point in the media is that there’s “no good options” so Biden had to take the least bad option. Why are bad options the only options? Because for whatever reason the bureaucracy (ie, State Department, DoD) won’t offer anything else. Based on what I’ve read this state of affairs is NORMAL, it’s not just a Trump or Biden thing, even Bush complained about “passive aggressive” behavior of the government where he would order something just to find nothing would happen. The REAL purpose of Project 2025 isn’t to eliminate waste in the government, it’s to purge the bureaucracy and put it firmly into the hands of the White House. That won’t happen because the bureaucracy is VERY heavily entrenched.
>>62883099I would not bet the survival of humanity on your assessment anon
>>62883104What predictions were they because I knew as soon as their artillery resources approached their deployed in Ukraine estimates magic would start happening and so it was utterly useless north Korean big guns arrived. I redicted mariupol would roll like vukovar and become a hero city and the Russian invasion would stall. I predicted and predict Russia WILL and HAS lost this war because it did not have and does not have the military resources to take, pacify or hold Ukrainian conurbations and if you has read my papers you would see I even got the front lines basically correct along with the scale of Russian war crime against civilians. Russia has been DISARMED, masterfully at just the right pace, too fast and they rout, to slow and they breakout. Perfect fixing of Russian assets in long extended fronts, pinned there, reduced there, unable to concentrate.
>>62883099>this anon lives in a city
>>62883114I'm speechless with how out of my depth in the trolling pool I am.
>>62883107Not necessarily, the president does have the power, but the main issue is how they are able to execute it. For example, Biden could have used his war power to stop the Taliban offensive within the 3 months time limit before he answers to congress is out why he did it. While the president does not have much power, they do have the power to advocate for things that can potentially influence congress. Project 2025 is bullshit and it’s unlikely it will happens because of the senate and congress not being fully controlled by loyalists. Regardless, many of the things that a president wants to do foreign policy wise has to go to congress, congress has a choice on whether a presidents words are words or just action. It’s the same reason to why Obama never fully closed gitmo or fully pulled out troops, because congress has the power to influence foreign policy by not granting funds or making laws that limits their ability to conduct foreign policy. Its a separation of power that is necessary so that a president wouldn’t do anything stupid to undermine American interests. Regardless, the main issue with Biden is that he is too afraid to take risks, it’s been confirmed at this point that he doesn’t like to take risks and would only take action if he knows what may happen.
>>62883113>I would not bet the survival of humanity on your assessment anonHumanity or even western civilization would barely pause over 70 million (mostly Russian) deaths anymore than it did over Nagasaki or the over 2500 nuclear weapons detonated in the land air and sea since, supply and manufacturing and knowledge is globally dispersed and secure. the best defense is a good offense and I don't think Russia would have anything to reply with when bitch slapped hard.
>>62883107Power is in the hands of Congress you idiot, read the Constitution first and see for yourself. Then read the laws that made your vague "bureaucracy" boogeyman and see who gave these agencies their power (re: funding). All these agencies exist at Congress' sufferance.Congress has always been the final boss of the federal government. They control all the money, can impeach the other two branches, and only they can start the process to change the Constitution. Which is why all the talk about the "deep state" is bullshit; following the letter of the law regardless of who is president is not a secret illegal cabal. Rather it is this professional bureaucracy separates us from the thirdies by doing their fucking jobs.
>>62883124samefag by the way, I'm not alone, a first strike on Russia is widely considered a perfectly viable solution at cabinet level in many participant nations. The North Korean bullshit has not been well received by anyone, except south Korea which views it as an opportunity not just to disarm Russia the arsenal of evil but now also North Korea.
>>62883107Now, to use an example. Let’s say Biden decides to end the war in Ukraine before Trump comes in forces Ukraine into a bad peace deal. How would this be done? Order troops into Ukraine, and give Russia 48 hours to decide to leave or else they’ll be kicked out and if the US has to put troops on the ground those troops will NEVER leave again. Putin would immediately capitulate, there won’t be a single shot fired — Putin is NOT Saddam, he’ll know very well when to fold it. So Biden picks up the phone to the appropriate command authority group and issues the order. Okay great. And then….nothing will happen. If he tries to find out what the status of his order is, he’ll be given stalling excuses. Next morning he’ll find out the orders were countermanded by such-and-such because of whatever reason. There’ll be a round of meetings where Biden and the SecDef are told that there are many concerns and issues. It will turn into more meetings, a readiness review process, and a bunch of other nonsense. Bottom line: the DoD simply will not send the troops in, because they don’t want to.
>seriously considering nuclear escalation after every Russian nuke test has failed>seriously considering the Russian elites are ready to die in nuclear holocaust, as if they still are communist aparatchiks
>>62883142Anon, if Biden wants to use his 90 day war power to kick out Russia, then he can do it. The main issue is always risk assessment(military and advisers will tell you the risk over the action) and ways to prepare for it if Biden ever to agree to those risks. If he doesn’t, then it will just turn into a meeting of what needs to be done in order to prepare. Regardless, the main obstacle is always congress. Even though he has 90 days of free reign, he has to find a way to convince congress to fund the war to the point it will turn from 90 days to whatever it takes.
>>62883142>Now, to use an example. Let’s say Biden decides to end the war in Ukraine before Trump comes in forces Ukraine into a bad peace deal. How would this be done?It has been done Russia IS defeated, you are watching Putin throw the end of the Russian military in because he thinks elon and trump and Marjorie and tucker will freeze the conflict for him in January, at that point the Russian military will be another 2000 artillery pieces down and another 500 tanks and relying entirely on north korea to stay in the fight and ALL of north koreas conventional resources and heavy weapons only keep Russia in the fight for 8 months, leaving North Korea completely disarmed as well. The Ukrainians and EU could handle whats's left to clean up without the US at all. Flipside is the only thing the USA will get from the EU in the event of a war with China is some medical aid and obsolete weapons and a few new leopards and a round of applause.
>>62883122>GitmoThe reason why Gitmo was not closed wasn’t because of Congress. It was because the bureaucracy didn’t want to close it, period. How so? Because when Obama issued the order to have it closed, he was COMPLETELY within his legal authority to order it closed, and expect it to be closed. The DoD and other elements did not want to close it, so they proceeded to defeat the legal authority of the President with stalling tactics and when Obama wouldn’t let it go they brought in allies in Congress to get Obama to relent. That’s NORMAL, that’s how things work in reality. Presidents have power but in theory only, so when Obama tried to fulfill the promise he made to voters using his authority as President, the bureaucracy said No fuck you — because the bureaucracy has power, and the President has very little.
>>62883137I’m tired of you braindead trash.
>>62883163I’m tired of you braindead trash.
>>62883162The reason to why Obama didn’t close it was literally because of congress. Congress didn’t give Obama the funds to relocate and move people and equipment out of the bay. President have the power to make directives, but those directives are moot if congress/senate don’t approve for funding those directives. Congress/l(or the senate) can make conditions towards certain fundings and also can refuse to fund shit if they think it wouldn’t work. That bureaucracy you’re talking about is just congress. Congress funds the DoD too.
>>62883163...?
>>62883175>...?
>>62882641Yes, I do to: not only a bunch of useless niggers would get destroyed, but US in retaliation would glass pidorstan, finally changing the world's history for the better. Not a large price to pay for this.
>>62883019Do you know how big Russia is?
>>62883050because they are retards
>>62882437I hope there's some AGM-158 JASSM in the next lot of military aid jism
>>62883147>seriously considering the Russian elites are ready to die in nuclear holocaust, as if they still are communist aparatchiksExcept real Russian elite is KGB/FSB old guard who is well, still are communist aparatchiks.
>>62883197Who were also terrified of being blown away in a nuclear holocaust back in the 1970s too
>>62883193Anon, he won't even know the numbers of strategic warheads Russia has, let alone the unconfirmed numbers of tactical warheads.
>>62883065>it's why we hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead of Tokyo, Kyoto, or Osaka.There WAS no "Tokyo" to speak of after the firebombing in March of '45. Only a handful of buildings survived the firestorm, and something like 85% of the city was totally destroyed.Kyoto and Nara did get spared on cultural/political grounds, however.
>>62883193Ye, but do you know 3/4 of it is empty?
>>62883162again, buddy, Obama could have. But saying you will do something and actually getting it done are two separate things. I actually voted for Obama, it was my first presidential election and I felt very strongly about closing Gitmo so I followed it quite closely.Obama not closing it had nothing to do with a nefarious entrenched bureaucracy. He got rid of the vast majority of prisoners, and had some creative solutions for some subgroups, like Uyghur detainees being un-classified as enemy combatants and given refugee status in Palau, Switzerland. Obama went from 780 to 30, which is 97%But he ran into a hurdle where either:1. no country would take them2. they were incorrigable, unrepentant jihadists that could not be releasedIIRC they recently transferred out the last members of the first category (after Obama left office), but the latter are there because no US state wants them there, not even Colorado in ADX Florence. Because they're too dangerous and it's political poison to accept them. But that isn't "bureaucracy", it's actually the opposite: people pressuring their state governments violent jihadists. Again, your vague "bureaucracy" is overly-simplistic and belies a lack of understanding of how the US government functions.
>>62883209fuck this jpg for ants
>>62883178ah. bon apétit, monsieur
>>62883172No, it wasn’t closed because the DoD wanted to keep it. So when Obama ordered it to be shut down, the DoD scrambled to bring in Congress to pass an unconstitutional funding ban on it. Instead of OBEYING THE ORDER the bureaucracy stalled and fought to defeat the order via law instead making it a political battle instead of what it was, the Commander-in-Chief ordering the military to do something.
>>62883212Obama was a shit president. It was during his reign Putin got away with ISIS, Syria and the initial annexation of Crimea
>>62883216>wanted to keep itAnon, the problems you’ve stated all comes down to how congress feels about the decision. A presidents directives can fall short because the lack of congressional support for it.
>>62883215Nom Nom hurah Nom hurah. I actually like all the Marines I have had dealings with desu. Almost European tier honor. Almost.
The thing about communists is that they're often highly sensitive to the logic of force. This is very important. The Soviet leadership were masters of bluster but this is something George Kennan pointed out. The contradictions of capitalism being what they are, and communism being our future whether we like it or not, there's no actual hurry to start World War III. The Soviet leadership was not like Hitler and they were more rational. The way their system operated was also like a children's wind-up toy, once the party gave the orders to do something, the rest of the system moved along that track until it hit some immovable obstacle. The containment policy the U.S. drew up was to be that immovable obstacle. To throw up barriers whenever Soviet power tried to advance and do it consistently. This is because the Soviets would not just give up after a single defeat.
>>62883156it's not over until it's actually over, russia has replacable and expendable meat, has oil and gas revenues to use to purchase and build weapons, and has strategic depth where they can enjoy doing so in relative safery, Ukraine does not
>>62883221Bullshit the Russians weer always a shower of gangsters. Especially Adropov and Stalin.
Wring.>On 7 January 2011, President Obama signed the 2011 Defense Authorization Bill which contains provisions that place restrictions on the transfer of Guantánamo prisoners to the mainland or to other foreign countries, thus impeding the closure of the detention facility. The bill prohibits the use of funds to "modify or construct facilities in the United States to house detainees transferred from" Guantánamo Bay.[332][333] He strongly objected to the clauses and stated that he would work with Congress to oppose the measures.TL;DR Obama got cockblocked by Congress.which supports what I said in >>62883107and >>62883216 said
>>62883216>an unconstitutional banCongress gets to decide how they fund the departments. If they don’t want to fund the closure of the prison, then they can do it and it be perfectly legal to do so. A presidents power to carry orders is limited by their fundings.
>>62883223>it's not over until it's actually over,It is over. The soviet weapon stockpile that has threatened Europe for a century is fucking gone by January the Russians will be at the point of no longer being able to defend Russian borders and stay in Ukraine and by March there is no Russian military, no artillery, few tanks and a few thousand rusty apcs, incapable of offensive or defensive ops. Kim is putting in 100,000 on rotation but even that won;t make much of a difference after he sees his heavy guns stuck in mud and almost immediately destroyed by counter battery fire as they struggle to get one shell off in two minutes and move like a snail along with the inevitable increasing antagonism between Russia and the best Koreans as things get worse.
>>62883217Nah, Putin knew he wouldn't start a war after our fatigue from Iraq. Obama's greatest sin was outright saying what the "red line" was and doing nothing when Putin crossed it.Syrua and Ukraine though... if Obama had made any overt military moves the Republicans in Congress would have eaten him alive. Plus Crimea was don't pretty brilliantly all things considered. I hate to say it but the "mysterious green men" got the job done well.Much like Hitler in France or Napoleon in Prussia it worked so well that it gave Putin an unrealistic impression of his own abilities.
>>62883212Obama was the Command-in-Chief. He ORDERED the military to shut down Gitmo. The military said NO, FUCK YOU. And when Obama didn’t relent they hustled up political support in Congress to pass a law to make following the order fiscally impossible. Of course Obama could have ordered to the military in more extreme ways to deal with it but he simply wasn’t willing to go to bat THAT far for his campaign promise — which isn’t the fucking point, the POINT is the military defied an order because they DID NOT WANT TO FOLLOW IT. That’s NORMAL and that extends to ALL the main bureaucracies — if they won’t want to do something, they WON’T DO IT.EVERYSINGLEONEOf Trump’s major initiatives were thwarted by the bureaucracy. Some were thwarted by the legal system, some were blocked / ruined by Congress, but MANY were just outright denied by the bureaucracy. Read Bolton’s book where he recounts Trump constantly wanting the military to do this or that (pull out here, hit someone else there, etc) and the DoD routinely just ignored him. State, Justice, etc, were the same. That’s the REASON for Project 2025, he wants to purge the bureacracy which thwarted him the first time. What I’m trying to tell you people that this is NORMAL, and Presidents in reality have very little power. THAT is the reason why Biden seemed so terribly weak — he’s actually NOT in control of anything.
>>62883219I like Marines also. But they do be eating all the fucking crayons.
>>62883241>Obama's greatest sin was outright saying what the "red line" wasI agree he was a shit president
>>62883242>ordered With what funding, retard. Do you think the military is funded without a budget plan? Anything outside of that budget plan has to go through congress for approval. The military can do nothing except maybe appeal to congress on why it’s needed to be closed.
Plot twist. Best Korea starts rotating its 100,000 operation yellow shield troops and they notice the Russians are weak, corrupt and stupid and decide to stay in Russia and expand best Korean clay.
>>62882437Did Biden allow them to hit anywhere in Russia, or just Kursk?
>>62883242>MANY were just outright denied by the bureaucracy. Read Bolton’s book where he recounts Trump constantly wanting the military to do this or that (pull out here, hit someone else there, etc) and the DoD routinely just ignored himMost of that has to do with congress, you can’t just move troops around without spending money, that shit is expensive and requires approval from congress. As for striking, that probably was due to trump not really going through with it because that sort of thing requires people to assess whether it’s worth it or not. Of course, trump has the final say to it, but he never does it after hearing suggestions.
>>62883241I’m tired blaming Obama for 2014. Sure, Putin accurately read Obama and the US willingness to go to bat, okay fine. But why the FUCK does Europe CONSTANTLY get a free pass? Europe did FUCK ALL and I’m tired of making the US the center of the universe for security issues.
>>62883242Buddy we're telling you what happened.Ok, you gave an order to shut down Gitmk, that as Commander-in-Chief MUST be followed as per the Constitution.Ok, great. But how do you actually implement that? Let them go in Cuba? Drown them in the ocean? Give them a ticket back to their home countries so they can the al-Qaeda band back together for a reunion tour?Since you adore caps so much: WHERE ARE THESE PRISONERS GOING TO GOOOOO?You can let the non-violent ones go, but the violent and unrepentant ones CANNOT be released, they MUST be transferred to another facility. And equipping a facility to take violent jihadists costs money. And you cannot do that without funding from Congress.This is separation of powers, this is federalism, this is the Constitution.
>>62883246you are entitled to youe opinion
>>62883269I don't even think the glowies had any inkling it was going to happen until it was too late. All eyes were on the Middle East, post 9/11. So of course, instead of integrating with the EU abd becoming first-world, Russia took this as a sign of weakness and used that opportunity to steal and chimp out.
>>62883275your***HA! HA! Time for bed!
>>62882437you won't do shitalso Putin is set to make a statement on the use of nato weapons against russian territory. brace yourselves
>>62883212>>62883275>On August 18, 2011, President Obama issued Executive Order 13583-- Establishing a Coordinated Government-wide Initiative to Promote Diversity and Inclusion (D&I) in the Federal Workforce, which calls for all federal agencies to develop and implement a strategic plan for Diversity and Inclusion.>In the Executive Order, the President emphasizes his commitment to promoting the Federal workplace as a model of Equal Opportunity, Diversity and Inclusion.
>>62883284>Russia badWHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? Why is the answer always crickets with you people. I can understand fearing the might bear in 2014. I can understand fearing it in the early part of 2022…but now???? Ate you fucking serious? WHERE is Europe?
>>62883297don't care, neo-cons were worse lol
Sometime never.Remember, the permanent security council of the UN is also the main set of nuclear states. These all have a vested interest in opposing all nuclear proliferation besides their own.It's not about enemies. The US attempted to hamstring the British nuclear program by refusing to share anything with the Brits, despite them working on the Manhattan project. The US works with the UK on nukes, but I suspect this is partially to control or dictate British nuclear capabilitiesThen the Brits and Americans got very antsy about the French developing nukes.Ever since, a big part of doctrine for the nuclear powers has been about limiting nuclear proliferation among allies. Israel's nukes were clandestine. Poland used soft nuclear blackmail to get into NATO. Japan and SK are nuclear turnkey states, and a big reason for the extensive defense treaties is to provide them reassurances that they aren't sitting ducks against China, a nuclear state. If they lost all US support, you'll see them turn nuclear in under a year (they have absolutely everything they need to make nuclear devices besides the will). Nuclear development is a red line in the USA's support for Taiwan.India and Pakistan were possible because their non-aligned status and lack of leverage by other nations.North Korea is a rogue state, and their nuclear development was opposed by everyone.Iran's nuclear development is opposed by everyone.All this to say, NATO will N-E-V-E-R support nuclear escalation, even among close allies. It ain't happening and any country in Europe who starts making noises like that will be facing diplomatic pressure. When that happens, just remember that they're doing the Poland Gambit.
>>62883029Kek, who do you think was forbidding Ukraine from using Storm Shadow in Russia? Boris "Love the Bomb" Johnson or Jolly Joe Biden? Hint, there's american guiding tech in SS.
>>62883237I like your optimism, but complacency kills.
>>62883344>These all have a vested interest in opposing all nuclear proliferation besides their own.Didn't read any further, russia openly offers and provides other countries with nukes or blueprints.
>>62883302Send ATACAMS, anon. Good luck in your troll farm, hope it's in India and not actually in snowgerria
>>62883310if the neocons had their way, americas ammo reserve would have been dumped on mud huts in iran and ukraine would have got nothing
>>62882437Trump will reverse this when he takes office in January
>>62883409>doubt
>>62883409>AHHHHH SAVE ME DONALDBehold the power of Puccia
>>62883414>>62883416he will do it purely because it was done by democrat
>>62883402A lot of the English language shills are contracted out from Africa, such as from Nigeria, no joke.
>>62882437>russhits already moved every piece of equipment deeper>IT'S TIME TO ALLOW ITwhy usa so retarded?
>>62883418>source>russian fantasies
>>62883426see>>62883428
>>62883428he will do it. he will reverse whatever policy the left put into effect
>>62883426the US, especially under democrat administrations, was and is historically always pro-russian
>>62883391The Soviet Union helped China, which was the only time they actually helped developed nuclear devices. then of course there was atoms for peace, Cuba, reactors for NK reactors for Iran, and reactors for Libya. Russia has never offered nuclear weapons tech in any evidence I have seen.
>>62883432>he will do it.sure bruh, what are you smoking btw
>>62883269>Europe did FUCK ALL and I’m tired of making the US the center of the universe for security issues.Europe, aside from contributing part of its budget to direct military spending subsidies the US dollar by using it for commodity trade. It would be well for people like you to quickly realize it does not actually have to and could simply switch to the Euro and vastly increase military spending. You really really don't want that and neither does Russia and its 'friends' in the muslim and african world because the Euroepans are not kind and gentle and loving like the Russians and after two world wars it was decided it was best NOT to have them armed to the teeth anymore and tax them for military protection via the dollar. You don;t understand that because simply put, you are stupid. The front line of the cold war was Europe and it was Europe, east and west that defeated communism, just as it was Europe east and west that defeated Germany in WW1 and WW2. The USA was as ever, late and despite its massive resources again, poor infantry and aside from Patton poorly lead, the eternal military story of the USA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s57RjAY59uU
>>62882437I nuke tipped your mom last night
>>62883494Ah, the token nigger has arrived to talk about sex with other peoples mothers, as is their way in their 'culture'. I believe they call it ebonics.
>>62883434>>>62883426>the US, especially under democrat administrations, was and is historically always pro-russianTruman was a great man, I agree.
>>62883358>I like your optimism, but complacency kills.I am not complacent. I think it would be best to destroy Russia . After the last 100 years we don't need to find out what monstrosity it spawns next.
>>62882972Pretty shitty GIF.Most native brits consider central London a lost cause. Do Birmingham (little pakistan) too.
>>62882679>Americans may be a pile of retarded worthless shit these days but that does not mean they should be killedAu contrarie, mon ami, that is precisely why they should be killed. Hon hon hon hon!
>62882471da da xaxaxa
>>62883193only on the map. In reality delete pidorsburg and muscovia and modern puccia as it stops functionally existing. Colonial oblasts drift off to their respective natural regions without them chaining them down
>>62882437>nuke tipped missilesthose are called nukes anon
>>62883508Clinton ran to save russia after 1991 both with food, money and political pressure. Not only did the Clinton administration took away the nukes from Ukraine, but it also illegally gave away the soviet position in the US security council to russia. Obama ran to russia to do a reset of relations in 2012, after the war in Georgia in 2008. Obama looked the other way in 2014 regarding both Crimea and Donbas, as if the Budapest memorandum didn't exist. Not only did the Obama administration didn't send weapons (even defensive ones), they put a non-public arms embargo on Ukraine. Biden removed Trump's sanctions against the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. Biden also went out of his way in 2021-2022 to invite russians in for an invasion, saying that a small invasion wouldn't cause issues.
>>62883193Russia is two cities.
>>62883078Ukraine needs a 1 to 5 casualty ratio, not a 1 to 1.29 casualty ratio.
>>62883674>confirmedmost zigger casualties are "missing"
>>62883674Really trying to get a lot of mileage out of that single image, huh. You've posted it in like 5 threads now (and gotten BTFOed in each)
>62883674>he posted it againZiggers that get turned into paste don't get counted as "losses" and don't get obituaries.
>>62883674I like how mediazone was an unreliable source and wectern NATO propaganda when they started publishing thousands of dead russians. Now its used by ziggers to claim they 'only' had 80k dead lmao.
>>62883426They can't move the rail hubs, fuel depots, ammo depots though. Every single peace of cargo going to the front must run through Belgorod railway station.
>>62883491>it was Europe, east and west that defeated communism>The USA was as ever, lateI know you Euro faggots aren't taking the election well, but this tryhard revisionism is as pathetic as it is brazenly retarded. That's how I know it isn't even bait.
>>62882679>>62883524Euros are adorable.
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