The Su-34 is pathetic. It's been shot down at like 5 times the rate of the Su-35 and Su-30. It has the largest RCS and lowest maneuverability of any flanker due to its ridiculous duck shape. It's time to replace it with a 2-seater Su-57 variant.
>>62887821It's not a flanker, it's a fullback. And it's probably been shot down more just because its role involves it actually getting into the line of fire while the flankers can just sit back and pretend they're helping
>>62887821The duck is cool though
>>62887821this thing is supposed to be a fucking bomber, the fact that their retarded doctrine keeps trying to pretend it's a fighter is infuriating. just let it be a fucking bomber, you built a strike bomber, USE IT AS A STRIKE BOMBER, STOP PRETENDING ITS ANYTHING ELSE.
>>62887882It's not just a bomber. It's a fighter-bomber.
>>62887882It's an attacker
>>62887882They exclusively use it as a strike plane.
>>62887886>>62887887>>62887889strapping the Kinzhal to it and pretending like you are doing an actual BVR is the retardation that causes this thing to be the butt of the joke of 4th-gen fighters.
>>62887899Not an argument, it's a strike plane.
>>62887886Su-30 is a fighter-bomberthis duck is a full-on bomber that might get a short range missile or two on it for self defense
>>62887899Kinzhal is an air to ground missile that's only fired by the MiG-31K.
its like an f-15e but better and newer
>>62887821>lowest maneuverability of any flankerThis is technically still higher than any western plane. The SU-34 has thrust vectoring and canards.
>>62887821Why side by side seating instead of one seat behind the other?
>>62888089>Why side by side seating instead of one seat behind the other?better for bombing and long missions.
>>62888089I think that seating choice lets the plane be designed to carry more weight. The Su-24 was the same in that respect.
Show the sleeping quarters!
>>62888089Copy of the Su-24.Su-24 is the inferior copy of the F-111 that had detachable cockpit and thefore need for side by side. Soviets were not able to copy this. They only coppied side by side. Like literally there is Su company engineer memoirs like he and his colleges went to The Paris Air Show and photographed F-111 from all sides and cockpit.
>>62888089>>62888104its just better coordination between WSO and pilot, same as the KA-52>>62888115it is infact roomy
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being able to get up, walk around and stretch your legs and lay down must be soooo comfy on long missions
>>62888132There it is!
>>62888104>>62888131>>62888132All this and not a single gay sex joke. Thanks anons. I appreciate it.
>>62888089Better crew coordination and less pilot fatigue on long missions.
losses can mean>it's used more than others>it's used differently than others>it's used incorrectlya lot of videos early on show them dropping dumb bombs at low altitude, which is how you lose a ton of birds. just look at how many the us lost in vietnam doing the same thing. then the su-34s switched over to high altitude glide bombing and their rate of loss slowed down.so we can say they were used incorrectly.
>>62888053It's like F-15E but dogshit and can't defend itself
>>62888151they are flying over 100 sorties a day for a year straight, su34 are the workhorse for dropping glide bombsall the sorties are flying up to altitude, flying up to the edge of FLOT or a little further if its a special target, and then dropping glide bombs and flying awayif something shoots at them they dive down and run
>>62888151>just look at how many the us lost in vietnam doing the same thing.fewer than one per 1000 sorties?also the implication that russia hasn't progressed past Vietnam war era tech made me chuckle
>>62888053>>62888156The F-15E equivalent is the Su-30 though
>>62888161we don't know the sortie rate for the su-34, but the us lost 100s of birds due to aaa. that's far in excess of 10s of su-34s, which are facing more potent threats.this is why the us changed tactics and went to mid-high altitude bombing from lessons learned.
its pretty tho
>>62888158>they are flying over 100 sorties a daythere's a zero too many in there
>>62888174>but the us lost 100s of birds due to aaa. that's far in excess of 10s of su-34srussia cannot physically lose 100s of su-34s because they only made 140 of those birds total so i guess this is an epic russian win
>>62888171russia doesn't have an F-15E equivalent and never will. su-30 is dogshit because they cannot make multirole aircraft and su-34 is dogshit because it's a toothless bomber with electronics from the 80s and the range of the F-15E.
>>62887821Surely not as pathetic as Gamechanger-16
>>62888184Ukrainian jets are way worse, Taras.
Has there been even a single proven or at least likely Su-34 shoot-down? These should be operating very far to the rear of the front lobbing FABs from very high altitude like 90 miles away in-and-out quickly. So it’s definitely not impossible but it would be hard to catch them with SAMs and afaik the Ukrainian air force doesn’t have BVR intercept capability until very recently.
>>62888259No, all the losses are just accidental crashes and have absolutely nothing to do with the war, russian aircraft combat record is impeccable.
>>62888236>our obsolete piece of shit plane is better than soviet obsolete piece of shit placethe bar can't get any lower, can it?
>>62888267The bar is for 18+ so yes, it can't get any lower.
>>62888181not a win, but russia seems to have learned the same lesson as the us did, which is that low-altitude bomb runs are retarded and stand-off munitions tend to work best.
>>62888259>muh proofs
>>62888398when was USAF forced to use standoff weapons due to being unable to penetrate or disable enemy air defense?
>>62888184>the f-15E is better because… ummm…. It just is okay!!!oneSeethe nigger
>>62888886F-15E doesn't need a duct taped Garmin GPS to not get lost on a mission
some lucky bastard is about to get a No.62888888 and I hope he says heil hitler
>>62888895Su-34 doesn’t either, also the pilot at least gets a piss bottle instead of a diaper>>62888921Can’t count award
>>62888931>Su-34 doesn’t eithe
>>62888291NTA but what?
>>62888940https://www.amazon.com/MUKCHAP-C-clamp-Clamps-Woodworking-Workpiece/dp/B09M84KLKP
>>62888969Well, that is not duct taped. You are technically correct. The best kind of correct.
>>62888969sometimes ruaf uses rubber bands
>>62888089its special configuration to allow russian pilots to give blowjobs to each other
>>62888089if the bitch of the two pilots fails to comply with the thief-in-laws commands its easier to sodomize the bitch then and there as oppose to the bitch having to wait until they get to the ground
>>62888184One of best contributions of Malaysia's military efforts is to combine the best of the Soviets and the West. Malaysian equipment are well-known to be extensively upgraded with Western technology beyond the capabilities of simple 'Slavshit'. Good example of this is SU-30MKM which uses Soviet airframe & Western avionics. Malaysian SU-30MKM are the only Sukhoi SU-30 series that capable of using Sidewinder, Paveway and JDAM. Currently RMAF is able do do SEAD with Su-30MKM + Kh-31P. SU-30MKM "Growlerski" is also the first ECM/EW Sukhoi platform designed and build outside Russia.A multi-role platform with SAP-518 ECM pod and mix of SAP-14 jamming pod is considered similar to the United States ALQ-99 jamming system installed on the EA-6B Prowler and EA-18G Growler. Funny thing is the Russian are following Malaysian example that successfully integrated Russian-Western technology into their SU-30MKM.
>>62888895>F-15E doesn't need a duct taped Garmin GPS to not get lost on a missiontwo (former) femoid aviators would like to have a word with you
>>62889181Sukhoi airframes are super cool, but surely this isn't financially efficient given the cost to adapt all this hardware plus the long term maintenance costs of the aircraft etc
>62889181>oh its the malay guy
>>62887821it depends do you believe that ukraine in a matter of 6 days downed 14 of them and 3 a-50s? god it was a good laugh
>>62890551I mean, fighter bomber, a known russoid mouth piece thinks they did. Dont forget your meds.
>>62890551>>628905611 A-50 was shot down in January and another 1 in February but no Su-34 was shot down in those 2 months. There were 2 Su-35's shot down in February though.
>>62890561literally nobody believed their shit dude >>62890622i know im talking right after the aviidka fall that week they went nuts claiming all kind of outlandish shit lmaoand it was always above water just like those 2 il 76 with 700 vdv's inside that to this date nobody has seen
>>62890659>nobody believed fighter bomber
>>62890675It's almost been a year and there's been no evidence of any Su-34's being shot down in the first 2 months of this year. October was shit though with 2 Su-34's that crashed or were shot down.
>>62890675cut the bs kiddo fighter bomber talked about the a50 not the fucking 14 su 34s
>>62888131>F-111 that had detachable cockpit and thefore need for side by sideThe rest of your post is right but as far as I know the side by side seating was something the navy wanted due to perceived better crew coordination or maybe length. It had the side effect of increasing drag enough to seriously reduce range at high speeds and low altitudes
>>62887886The Su-34 is as much of a fighter-bomber as the F-111 Aardvark was a fighter-bomber.
>>62890687Almost as if theyre used exclusively to yeet from behind friendly lines because tussia cant into air power
>>62890659>>62890551I remember that week, I think they were just claiming all ground to air engagements as kills for that month for propaganda reasons. Air kills have always been exaggerated throughout history, and thats one of the main ways its done either intentionally or not.
>>62890984>Almost as if theyre used exclusively to yeet from behind friendly lines because Russia cant into air powerlmfao, must be why nato air dominance in ukraine reigns supreme.>oh wait
>>62891137Sorry, please tell me how many of the thousand + f35s are in ukraine?
>>62890984>nooo you can’t obliterate us from far away that doesn’t count!!!!1
>>62891147All of the f-35s that wouldn’t get rekt by R-37 are already there
>>62891157Which would be an argument if it wasnt to prop up the increasingly scarce artillery resources, or if they were precise
>>62891171lol, lmao ok retard im sure once they recieve the ultra space empire upgrade theyll be able to do that
>>62891177Dropping bombs is a necessary part of winning because artillery can't destroy buildings fast enough.
>>62891147>Sorry, please tell me how many of the thousand + f35s are in ukraine?why arent they operating there?the US has no issue supporting israel with as many sorties as it wants
>>62890984and buccia can only do that because retarded westerners are stopping ukranians from hitting the airfield they are getting coming out off
>>62891633Are you actually asking why the US has not dropped the F-35s on your asses, Ivan?Be thankful instead of inquisitive.Also, Ukraine and the US are not in any defensive pact/alliance.
>>62892447>why the US has not dropped the F-35s on your assesNukes and China's Taiwan fixation.
>>62888174That's incorrect. The USAF planned to operate at very low levels behind WP lines in order to penetrate the incredibly dense SAM network. The switch to medium-level operations happened during Desert Storm, when it was discovered that SEAD could indeed clear out medium and heavy SAMs, while low-level attacks were still very dangerous thanks to AAA, MANPADs, and even small arms.
>>62893849>and even small arms.Yeah, no.
>>62893849apples and oranges, anon. the us stopped operating at low altitude if there isn't a sam threat in most instances due to the risk of aaa and manpads. if there's a sam threat, they will very much rely on terrain masking and radar horizon in many instances.russia was likely operating at low-altitude due to the threat of capable sam systems, but that just opened them up to the threat of manpads. they now fly high to avoid the manpads and use stand-off munitions to avoid the former if possible. i read that they try to destroy sam systems they can't avoid with iskander strikes.
>>62887882It's because they want it to be a just as good F-15E equivalent so badly.
>>62894721I don't understand why you felt the need to do this.
>>62888940>>62888982Russia continues to impress with their swift integration of commercial off-the-shelf solutions, demonstrating great procurement agility to swiftly compensate for ad-hoc deficits.
>>62888888
>>62888074really helped against those f-16's didn't it ?
>>62894856Yes. One down and others dominating their hangars unable to fly.
>>62894879Oh, I thought we were up to two or more 34s downed by F-16 now :)
>>62894980The first Su-34 that crashed this October was outside the range of F-16's. I also doubt the second crash involved F-16's because Ukraine was using their small number of F-16's to shoot down drones over their cities a few days ago.
>>62887821I'd DD, so to speak, a Fullback. Someone sell me one or two.
