Hey /k/, what would be the ideal gun for a contemporary tunnel rat clearing out abandoned mines/limestone caves? Assume potential targets are roughly man-sized and unarmored. Also assume more than one target may be encountered at one time.My thoughts: >ability to mount a super bright flashlight is key>subsonic/suppressible caliber ideal for allowing hearing post-shot>frangible or hollow point non-fmj bullets might be necessary to prevent ricochet>design should be compact in case climbing or crawling is necessary>design should function when exposed to mud/gritPicrel not mine, .410 saiga SBS with big fat can
>>62891854A MAC-10 with one of those original bigass suppressors
>>62891854Gas
>>62891854Flood the tunnels with molten lead
>>62891867This a euphemism for what you do to animals, or what animals do to you? I know that's a key distinction.
>>62891854P90
>>62891854A super bright flashlight is useful outdoors, where the distances are long and there's nothing reflecting light back in your face. In a tunnel you don't need extreme power because you don't need to see far, and in fact extreme power is a liability because much of the light reflects back and blinds you with glare.You say you want a compact gun yet your pic shows an enormous gun with enormous ammo.
>>62891881No, you literally need to flood the tunnels with molten lead, it’s the only way to stop him
>>62891854277 fury in something the size of a HK51 with a can
>>62891854>410 saiga SBSthat's a dreadful choice. between ear pro and a suppressor I don't think itd trade terminal performance for volume. it'll still be loud, but survivable without subsonic ammo. if you are extremely concerned about length, bullpups exist, and help with the length disadvantages of adding a suppressor. if you don't want a bullpup and you think a pistol round is enough, plenty of PCCs you could choose from.
>>62891926I wasn’t suggesting that picrel was a good idea, it’s just a pic I found.Perhaps a better option: load both under barrels with 12ga buck, and the top barrel with a flare for light
>>62892077Someone has obviously never shot a gun in a stone cave or concrete tunnel. Your ears will be gone after the first shot if you use full velocity supersonic rounds and your head will be left ringin like a church bell. Not ideal for placing follow up shots in already challenging conditions. Earpro is a must if you arent willing to let cavitation go. >>62891854 My answer would be, depends on the foreseen quantity of "targets". I would suggest a pistol like a .380 Walther PPS if only a handful of encounters. If more, then a PDW in a pistol caliber like 9mm or .45. Obviously ammo choice is crucial to make up for the limited velocity.
>>62892225>Your ears will be gone after the first shot if you use full velocity supersonic roundsYes. But even a suppressed .410 is going to be loud AF in a cave. The idea you could shoot any kind of gun in there without ear pro is absurd. Therefore ear pro is a given, which means how loud the gun is doesn't really matter.>>62892212>reloading super fucking often>huge bulky ammodumb.
>>62891854
>>62891863Interesting idea. If you don’t have access to real gas you could do a big bore launcher with CS or pepper rounds as a first strike. You could also shoot big flares for illumination/dazzlement
>>62892238Shooting in a cave/tunnel is royghly comparable to shooting inside. Suppression is absolutely effective. Hearing safe in your garage will likely be fine innacave.>>62891926The flashlight is more for blinding trog eyes
>>62891854did somebody say GOBLINS?!?!?Honestly kinda a cop out but a .300 blk shorty with a barrel length in the 5-9" range would probably be ideal. Only real competition would be an SMG and pistol combo in the same caliber.
>>62892318You could even do it with adjustable gas block so you can turn a screw to make it a straight-pull.
>>62892225>Your ears will be gone after the first shotwith ear pro and a suppressor? I've shot unsuppressed at those faggot tunnel ranges and it was oppressive with my type 53 and only earmuffs. it would have been a ton better if it had been suppressed. I dunno if you misread my post, I implied that a suppressor is essentially required. the only trade off I was implying pondering was super vs. subsonic ammo.
two Mac 10 strapped on the sides of a surefire hellfighter
>>62891854>frangible or hollow point non-fmj bullets might be necessary to prevent ricochetSo you're not planning on blind firing a full mag off each corner that might have an enemy?
I have not had experience with .410, so can't speak for that. I do like the idea, but your biggest factor within confined spaces will be sound/blast/concussion. For this application, .22lr would be ideal especially when factoring in cost. Sure, .32acp or other calibers would work fine. My vote goes to a pistol or 10-22 like carbine with a folding stock. You could in theory get by with 9mm, but it will still be loud. Even .38 isn't exactly pleasant. I would also prioritize a red dot. Irons isn't exactly a viable option here. Light is important, but don't forget light discipline if that matters for your purposes. Bring extra batteries for all of your devices. Also be conscious of air and conditions within the confined space. >inb4 thinly veiled crypid/dumb's/metro thread
>>62891881Innuendo
>>62891854grenade and a fn 57 with extended mag
>>62891854AR pistol/SBR in 300BBC, literally a draco with those adorable 20 round mags, maybe a pcc in 45acp like a scorpion or stribog, keltec rfb though good luck mounting a flashlight
EhhhhhhhhhModify a coonan to shoot .38 spcl and slap a suppressor on it, because I like impractical and expensive solutions, why would I stop now?
>>62891854something much short than that
If only they could figure out a Surpressor that doesn't immediately turn it into a long ass gun
Hell is real, and you can go down their and fight demons.A modernized grease gun shall be your weapon.
>>62898398if you used subs im sure any 9mm suppressor rated for 300lbk would work.
>>628918541915s BAR in 30-06 and the gear with your ww1 gasmask on.
>>62892275only correct answer.
everyone is talking about suppression, but am I crazy for thinking the opposite is desirable? if OP's monsters live underground, they probably rely on sound more than sight. if thats the case I vote for an AMD-65 with drum mags, or really any sbr with a ridiculous muzzle brake
>>62891867Why do you let dogs flood your tunnel?
>>62898438Trafficking tunnels reference? Based
>>62891854>*fulfills shill quota*
A single barrel shotgun in my fuckin mouth because IM NOT GOING IN A TUNNEL YOU FUCKING FAGGOT ARMY RECRUITERFUCK YOU
