Why do larpers and gun owners keep trying to copy SOF? Especially when it comes to them choosing high speed stuff all around? Even though they don’t move/run around as much as SOF do. Wouldn’t it be better to just be kitted out in regular field gear than high speed ones at that point?
>>62929824Because the point is to consoooooom. Even societal collapse has become a marketing meme, and anyways you're consooming an image.
>>62929824Because they look cool.
Everyone copies the best. That's why everyone copied multicam and MARPAT. Yes MARPAT, not CADPAT. No one gave a shit about digital camo until the USMC started wearing it.
>>62929895IDK, those stupid IDF helmet covers make sense, especially entering an age of AI target recognition, but I get the feeling no one else uses them because they look stupid.
>>62929824I have a heavy barrel 16" upper with a yhm can, attached via keymo. You can minmax deez nuts lol
>>62929824Fun.
>>62929824Mindlessly copying special forces is retarded, but larping as infantry is even more retarded. You have no beltfeds, no grenades, no mortars, no artillery support, you are a crude mockery of military perfection. At least some parts of SOF tactics like covert operations and small groups are kind of applicable to civilians. As a civilian you need to consider what threats you'll actually face and the equipment you can carry with you or readily access. Your gear and weapons should be concealed and discreet. Having something like a chest rig or plate carrier is larping, when will you have time to put it on, or be able wear it without immediately drawing unwanted attention?
>>62929824It has appeals.
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>>62929909>but I get the feeling no one else uses them because they look stupid.looking good is half the battle
Five years ago, I lost thirty thousand larpers in the blink of an eye, and the AI target recognition just fuckin' watched. Tomorrow, there will be no shortage of deez nuts, no shortage of military perfection. I know you understand.
>>629300954th ed
>>62929993>kind of applicable Only if those civilians are organized/connected with people that have organization too. Most larpers/gun owners have guns, but they lack the connections/skills to do things effectively as a group.
Shouldn't these guys be like copying the taliban? Step by step guides on how to trick retarded kids into blowing themselves up to psychological devastate US soldiers.
>>62930534That sort of tactics don’t work on a psychological level at this point. What it leads though are soldiers being more suspicious of any activity done by the locals. It will also result in innovative technology that counter these insurgent tactics. In the current age, it’s extremely difficult to conduct insurgencies unless the government you’re doing the insurgencies against is weak. A weak government means a successful insurgency. A strong government with hands all over the country dims the success of a insurgency. The reason to why the Taliban was successful because of how piss weak the ANA is.
>>62930589You don't think an American kid with down syndrome blowing himself up and killing a few soldiers would have psychological effects on soldiers?
I can't tell if those knee pads are edited in. If you're going to go through the trouble of sewing them in, why do it to some shitty ariat jeans? This nigger has never been wearing jeans in the rain or getting wet in the woods or he'd realize how crappy the experience is.
>>62930673You probably haven’t met any soldiers
>>62929824It'll be any day now. That $1500+ custom AR you bought and the cybercuck with a camo skin has to be worth it in the end.
>>62930702It’s not edited in, but some people tailored/modify their clothes to integrate some stuff like kneepads and what not. The craze for jeans is retarded though.
>>62930673Most soldiers either don’t care or have many ways to cope with it that doesn’t effect their performance in combat. Look at Ukraine for example, some people just get numb and only follow their sense of duty/survival.
>>62930706>>62930766Lmao
>>62929909Is he wearing mechanix gloves?
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>>62931346Is this Codex Seraphinianus? I laughed unreasonably at this
>>62931333Those are super common in the US military so I don't see why they wouldn't be in other countries
>>62930673they would be mad they couldnt sexually abuse the downie first.
>>62929993>Having something like a chest rig or plate carrier is larping, when will you have time to put it on, or be able wear it without immediately drawing unwanted attentionWhen you respond to trouble or when you are causing trouble. In the first case, you make time and in the second case, you have time.
>>62929824>never defines what is high speed vs regular>k denNo one is copying anyone, there's only so much ways to carry gear on your body in a smart fashion. Your jean pockets aren't enough, no.
>>62930673that sounds incredibly fucking funny
Everybody copies the gun and nobody copies the run
>>62929909I would wear one of these but my CSM would disembowel me with a piece of .50 brasst. airborne infantryman
>>62929909There’s always the Italians.Functional AND stylish
>>62930702This. I thought they were holes in his jeans like the old-school trend from the thumbnail and also assumed it was meant to be ironic because of the gay squat hes taking
>>62929909How do you attack night-vision and the headphones with this thing on?
>>62932960Impressionante
>>62929909>the feeling no one else uses them because they look stupid.That is primarily recognition device (blue tape but camo version). And looking stupid is the point so nobody else would use it and spoil ID purpose.
>>62929993>when will you have time to put it on, or be able wear it without immediately drawing unwanted attention
>>62929824>Why do larpersIf you had ever worn gear, you'd realize that 'field gear' and 'infantry gear' is just synonym for 'cheap piece of shit with zero research or experience behind it'.SOF can do whatever the fuck they want, and gear companies send them their shit for free to try out, so they cycle through brands and uniforms like crazy. Meanwhile some US infantry units still have to wear IBA or suffer punishment.So when the big military refers to SOF experience to outfit all branches with plate carriers and high cuts and red dots, because they realize its the tech with highest dev time, the kit market adjusts to offer whats in use and whats sought for.In other words, you're the larper for demanding they copy outdated concepts of a bygone military that they have to search around for, instead of wearing whats easily available in every single store and is proven to function well.
>>62933049I’ve tried both “high speed” and “cheap piece of shit”, the cheap piece of shit lasted longer than any of the Gucci gear I’ve been issued. The gear that you’re praising is nothing more than a name that bribes the government to advertise their shit. Stop justifying the use of high speed gear as something essential, it is not.>t.deployed to syria
>>62933072>Lasted longerIt shouldnt last longer, especially longer than you, retard. If your gear doesn't make every second of your life better, its worthless.>t.deployed to syria>"Yeah I deployed to syria with muh cheap piece of shit gear">"What? Did I deploy with Blackhawk? God no.">"Did I deploy IBA? Are you crazy?">"Did I wear PASGT vest? Fuck off grandpa">"I deployed with my dusty old beat up Crye AVS of course, with MBAV cover as backup in case Crye gives out"Is there a term for an idiot online who tries to justify his worthless opinions by deployments he never did? Especially criminal deployments? Something like stolen valor, but there's no valor to it? Stolen crime?
>>62929871fpbp
>>62933348>retard. If your gear doesn't make every second of your life better, its worthless.Gear is not always about comfort you absolute retard. There are reasons to why people don’t go high speed all the time. It sacrifices too much for “comfort” to be applicable for battlefield unless you do door kicking for a living.
>>62933415>Gear is not always about comfort you absolute retardI swear to god, THIS is the epitome of a larper. If you ever wore even a smidgeon of gear, if you ever wore clothes, you'd realize that if the gear or clothes make you suffer, your instinct is to throw it away and never touch it again. This is not a 'desire' like 'I wish I had ice cream', its the stressful reflex that is akin to itching, and if you submit to it you immediately feel gratifying relief.The quality of a GOOD gear is that it makes your activities better, or easier. Like running shoes vs barefeet.The quality of an OK gear is that it doesn't make your activities worse, or harder. Like wearing a belt with low profile pouches.The quality of bad gear is that it makes your activites worse, or harder. Like running shoes with no cushioning.The quality of an awful fuck off gear is that you never want to wear it again, like IOTV.This is also why SOF experience was the one used to correct modern warfighting kit. Because despite ability to operate in their skivvies, SOF wore THIS kit and as often as they could. It is also why the insane idea of wearing your vest without plates was not taken into account, and overtime disappeared. Wearing plates became at least ergonomic enough to be OK, all due to carriage systems improvements.
>>62932432lmao yeah. i was thinking if i saw that, id be laughing my ass off
>>62933556There is comfort/versatility/protection and just comfort/versatility. The gear that SOF uses sacrifices protection for the sake of comfort/versatility. Yes, SOF were used as testbeds for correction when it comes to kits, but they aren’t the only ones as some units in the military were chosen to experiment with some kits/gear. For example, the proto ACUs(CCU/CU) were never given to SOF, they were given to a brigade and saw action with it in Iraq. The army used data to make corrections and developed the modern day ACU that we see now. Not everything that SOF utilized were considered by the army and some stuff just require input from regular soldiers.
>>62933691>modern day ACUAnother piece of infantry sloppa designed exclusively to save costs by excluding all parts that made Crye Gen3 good. What happens if you throw ACU away and attend your brigade in Crye Gen3s? You get punished.>There is comfort/versatility/protection and just comfort/versatility.No there isn't. Either your kit is comfortable, meaning ergonomic, meaning SUITABLE FOR HUMAN USE, or it isn't. You can have a comfortable entry suit, or a disgustingly awful to wear plate carrier.Comfort of wear, use and ergonomic design are baseline. You sacrifice that and you might as well wear a barrel on your torso and a box on your head. No one, EVER, EVER sacrifices comfort of wear, all the products the military ever fields, all products you see in stores, are attempts at making a comfortable item, though they're often failures and not explicitly chosen to provide discomfort.And most importantly, comfort doesn't exclude protection. You, in your insanity, have decided that all the people who wear high speed gear need more protection than they field. In reality, you can have any level of protection, with any level of coverage, at extreme comfort, limited only by your PT, your mission and your budget. With first squared away, with second defined, and with third unlimited, you can sew nylon of any shape, fill it with as much aramid as you need, and stack whatever cut of plates you wish.But you will find that this SOF-type gear is cheaper, more accessible and fits to most mission profiles and most users, that's why it is more common than custom pieces or old-style 'assault vests'.
>>62933010>muh minuteman>>62932114>causing troubleIf you're unironically considering insurgency-type shit then you definitely need to be prioritizing discreteness and blending in.
>>62931346>no MIC?
>>62929824How should I dress to achieve the highest speed as I run towards gunfire
>>62933415>>62933691you've just explicitly told everyone ITT you have never set foot in field conditions for longer than a day and done actual infantry shit. I can promise you that if your equipment isn't comfortable- if it pinches, binds, doesn't carry weight well, tweaks your neck, whatever- it is going to be a fucking nightmare to deal with if you're stuck using it during combat operations or even a simple rotation to JRTC/NTC. We've been modifying our TA50 since before the vietnam days to be more comfortable. Nowadays, we can buy alternative solutions instead of chopping something up and risking a nasty pay deduction when we go to hand in our shit at CIF
why not copy the best?
>>62933782>Another piece of infantry sloppa designed exclusively to save costs by excluding all parts that made Crye Gen3 good. What happens if you throw ACU away and attend your brigade in Crye Gen3s? You get punished.The people that actually tested the CCU liked it a lot, actually. And also, you shouldn’t compare crye combat pants with ACUs since they are both made for different purposes. Unless you’re talking about the crye field pants, then that’s fair. But there was a time when the army used to allow crye g2/3s before they opt out of it for their own versions of crye stuff. Reason being is that crye over charges their stuff from the pants to the usage of the camo itself. If crye or any of the gear companies want to keep their contract, they got to keep their swindling to the minimum. Otherwise, you will get the situation that crye landed themselves in years ago in regards to military contracts.
>Asking questions demeaning the feds running this shitholeyou are retarded for even posting here
>>62933782>Another piece of infantry sloppa designed exclusively to save costs by excluding all parts that made Crye Gen3 good. What happens if you throw ACU away and attend your brigade in Crye Gen3s? You get punished.The ACU was made long before crye g2/3s, dude. It’s a direct improvement over the BDU, much like the MCCUU/ABU were. It was never made to save cost by any means.
>>62929871What he said. Capitalism deserves incredible respect for how relentlessly capable it is to make everything or almost everything consooomable. Frankly if jihad-chic ever had staying power you'd start having brands selling on it.Also >>62929895 . Go back to Woodland camo, go back to copying French lizard or British brushstroke, go back to copying the Wehrmacht's helmets or whatever. Go back to Western Europeans copying the drip of Christian Balkanites who may have been copying Ottoman styles who may have copied Christian styles.
This is all you need. Anything more and you're just larping
>>62929824Eh there's different reasons for some it's a consume costume identity, there's a ton if you've ever been in fa there's the my identity is dick ovens or workwear muh fadez on my selvedge denim that weighs a pound bruh type of shit like the affliction bros grunt style or Brazilian gayjitsu gym fighting ufc shirt wearing bros or gymshark clothing hurrr personalities and for some it's just that when you're actually fighting you rip a cheap gi and buy a better quality one, you start competing and your airport carrier tears so you buy a legit one etc and there's a necessity.
>>62930702But muh Vietnam seals macvsog wore jeans in the jungle and the water and the mud man
>>62929824Because it's a lightweight kit chosen for operating in urban environments? I'm not saying the larpers are going to be magically skilled with it, but there's no point to lug around a knee-destroying 80-pound load out like an actual infantryman when all you're defending is your home.
>>62929824The average's civilian's "mission" (shooting a meth head in your house at night) more closely resembles SOF teams kicking doors than it does a Big Army combined arms operation.Dressing up as some retard in the 82nd Airborne is every bit the LARP that dressing up as a CAG doorkicker is except it's arguably less practical.
>>62929909Negev is so sexy, especially now that she's 7.62mm for standard issue.
>>62936090The second Crye introduced Gen2s, ACU became outdated. .mil refused to adopt it, even by contracting Crye to produce them in gov's colors, and instead chose to 'incrementally upgrade' the ACUs. And thus, in 2024, the military wears uniforms meant to replace something invented in 1980s, with very little tangible progress since then. All to save money.If you were arguing for still using IBAs that got adopted in the same way (to replace PASGT), you'd be beaten until you fell, and then kicked around.
>>62929824its all image, really. why do people that shoot minute of car buy staccatos and knights? why do people that have a hard time merging correctly buy ferraris?fuck it, ball out. its usually dumb but its not my money.
>>62936043When you start bitching about contracts, you start forgetting that humans wear it. When you start forbidding your troops from wearing top notch gear because 'muh contract' is when you've lost it. That's why SOF experience was used to upgrade modern warfighter gear - they get that shit for free and no one can punish them for refusing to wear uncomfortable unergonomic piece of shit.
>>62937346SOF get to wear it because they don’t care about the accumulated cost. The army cares because it gets expensive as crye and other private businesses start to scam the government when it comes to their pricings when they get contract other companies to produce the uniforms for cheap and in semi decent quality.
>>62937432And thats why private citizen buying top notch gear is not LARPing, while being autistic about promoting 'infantry shit', which you admit is all about paying money at a scale, is the real LARP. You take losses in comfort and quality just to be like 'the infantry'.
>>62937346>they get shit for freeNo, they don’t. Also, even SOF opt in for chinesium stuff when crye stuff just Isn’t applicable/available at the moment.
This is as "high speed" as I want to get.
>>62937312>crye g2 being introducedBecause for one, crye stuff is expensive and made for a specialized purpose than a general purpose like the ACUs were. And 2, the army already made/contracted their own versions of crye stuff, which is why they weren’t really afraid of dumping crye into the bin when they introduced OCP in 2015
>>62933072> Neverserved Nancy You're a massive poser kid
>>62933072Seems like you were deployed with the jihadi johns, ahmed? What are you doing in /k/? I literally had a chink chest rig rip open while I was adjusting it last week. The Sarma TST chest rig with WAS/savotta pouches has been through hell and is still like new.
>>62929824Gorilla warfare, gentlemen, not special operations.
>>62929824Is the beard for collecting cum drops?
>>62939462it stores burger sauce and masks your scent/protects from thirdie stench
>>62937715peak of american militarismanything after is just faggots killing "Le potential Combatants"
>>62939472I beg to differ. Case point: Whenever I think of a guy with a beard who isn't 70+ and pretends to be macho tough, I think of Jack (Goldman) Murphy as why beards are cringe.
>>62936136idk man you might want to cover the legs too
>>62932960>Giovanni, what have you done with mother's feather duster?! She'll be furious when she finds out!
Take military skills and combine them with alternative militia aesthetics.
>>62934246Which is, coincidentally, also in the SOF sphere which is another reason why people copy their shit. 10 inch rifles, low profile suppressors and loadings that help 5.56 perform at close ranges. Slick, low profile plate carriers and unobtrusive loadbearing gear. A kit that fits in a dufflebag, hell even the infatuation with sidefolding ARs that modern consumers have. They aren't 1:1 and obviously people need to learn to pick and choose what information matters to them, but that's true of literally everything. The reason you see so many people idolize SOF is because there is a common ideological space between low profile assault kit and truck guns.
>>62929909Humans have specialized eyes to recognize outlines and colors. When you have none natural colors in nature, they tend to stick out more at a glance. That hat looks weird up close, but at 100yards and sitting down, your eyes don't interpret it as a human head, but as brushes, bushes, rocks and so. Your brain tries to interpret what it sees to what it knows are similar shapes and colors. You retard.
>>62938970Whatever you say, chinkshit garbage is not any different from cryes at this point. The only difference is consistency in sitching, but even then, it’s becoming more consistent over the years. If crye wants to keep up with the market, they better not rely on their reputation to make sales. Because chink/cheap foreign stuff is catching up when it comes to quality and stitching.
>>62929824what is the point in larping as SOF when real special forces either desperately try to avoid combat or just radio in an airstrike/artillery?special forces are a movie meme
>>62939630You should be copying glowies in that case, not SOF. But magdumping a defenseless guy in an alley doesn't really strike me as a very cool thing to roleplay.
>>62941811what does a glowie setup look like?
>>62941928glock with supressorsubsonic 9mmfacemaskwigchange of clothes and spare bag
>>62929909Have you considered people don't want to look like the jews?
>>629298241. Looks like the stuff cool guys in muh vidya use2. In the event of muh boogaloo, which is a huge culture pillar in American LARPerator lore, there will be no open infantry fighting, just nonstop guerilla warfare. You get in, get it done, and GTFO because the feds/occupying force will always have bigger guns than you and standing still is death.
>>62941976you're retarded if you believe this
>>62929909I wonder if the Israelis were also trying to reconnect to their Palmach roots. The Palmach wore floppy beanies. They were kind of like a pre-IDF assault / strike force that augmented the larger Haganah (conscripts who mostly manned fixed positions.
>>62929824>direct action vs. infantryYou can practice the former's flat range'tism whereas the latter and holistic 2A requires a posse for maneuvers and immediate action drills. Plus surrogacy of consumerism which is commensurately easier to market and supply compared to training (God forbid you ruck a third of your weight routinely).
>>62941928Just an average, everyday normal dude.
>>62941976Meanwhile: the actual literal CIA spook loadout:>Gee Bill! TWO uppers!?
>>62940609>agree with an anon's point>call him a retard anywayfor the sake of your health, do away with some of your negativity
>>62942993Welcome to the internet, gayretard.
>>62942711sof motto in my cunt is: travel light, freeze at night
>>62942976Reminder that the CIA just buy shit from truspec for their desert tiger stuff.
>>62932992attack?
>>62942976>no cryesHigh speed bros….
>>62933010>grab coat and hat off rack>grab rifle and powder horn off mantle
>>62929993I think you greatly underestimate rice farmers, have you not learned anything? You're over reliance on technology will be your downfall. There is without a doubt civilians, probably contractors to be fair, who are way better trained than SOF and may even have been SOF themselves with years of experience.
>>62929824>Wouldn’t it be better to just be kitted out in regular field gear than high speed ones at that point?How is this any less silly than the operator shit? There are simply no realistic scenarios where a civilians defense shooting is going to require more than just the gun and maybe a light.
>>62932635Because you can see the gun and not the run. Unless you are homosexually inclined and like to look at naked men
>>62942436Then how would you conduct a covert assassination if not walking up to the guy and magdumping him?>>62942976this is a very different scenario
>>62939460Guerilla warfare is a special operation
>>62942993Nothing negative about reality
>>62945861Pay a dirty hobo to stab him for his wallet. Just how glowies really do it
>>62946004if you don't have a hobo, you need one of your guys to do italso the hobo might not kill the guygetting a guy to corner the target and shooting it in the chest 10 to 15 times is far more effective
>>62929824I can understand the "Delta" helmets since you can put a GoPro on the front and they do help protect your head but instead of the military-style clothes, they should "return to tradition" and stick with a black long coat with a black shirt.
>>62944655Photo was taken before Cryes existed>>62945861>this is a very different scenarioWhat is the scenario lol
>>62929824I think it's a couple things First, obviously people copy what they see. Second, most people don't have a way to train force on force or in such a way that necessitates carrying around a ton of kit i,e load bearing belt kit w/ 10-12 mags + plate carrier with even more mags and ditching the pistol. So what most of us do is get on a flat range, wear our gear just often enough so that we know how to use and can trouble shoot what, if anything, is wrong with it and get used to using it and that's pretty much it. Most of us will at most use a plate carrier, 3-4 mags + a pistol and just work with that. It's not inherently bad and it should be understood thats not even close to a sustainment loadout but at least it gets people training.
>>62937715>handful of optics in sightthis is delta, and every single one of them will tell you they'd rather have optics on their guns now, and probably not any 5.56 guns either
>>62929824>Why do larpers>larpersyou know why op
>>62929824Because they are morons. Open soup kitchens and free kindergarten. Create social movements, they generate foot soldiers for your cause. Playing grunt gets you nowhere, its just playing dress up like 8yo girls.
>>62929824>you'll le.... NEVER USE IT? How do you know? How can you look at history, particularly in the United States, and not predict civil conflict in which PPE would be a good idea? Why would you own guns or learn how to fight in any capacity if this is your view?
>>62949369>civil conflict in which PPE would be a good idea? Why would you own guns or learn how to fight in any capacity if this is your view?PROTIP: OP has no guns and probably doesn't even live in the US lol
>>62949336Those foot soldiers gotta play soldier sometime.
>>62949369>>62949623Most militias don’t wear tactical gear all around. They may wear some, but it’s mainly just civilian stuff for the sake of practicality or because it’s just what they have and is disposable at the moment.
>>62949369Look at what modern militias in the first world were doing, how the IRA and the ETA were operating. That's surely a better baseline for something that works than special forces roleplay autism.But roleplaying as a literal terrorist is a lot less fun than roleplaying as cool military guy.
>>62949931most militias are third worlders who don't even have access to this stuff.If you think you will be fighting in a domestic hot conflict in your life time it is a good idea to have sustainment gear.
>>62949810Think rifle and 3-5 mags in whatever is available. Look at Hamas, don’t overthink stuff. The organization behind the shooters is way more important that the shooters themselves. Because those guys are expendable resources for the cause. Do you want to be a expendable resource, anon? Or do you want to achieve goals? Whatever motivates them (faith, politics, poverty,…), its just a tool. Meanwhile the organization gathers and distributes the resources required to achieve whatever the long term goal is. The best way to prevail against anything short of major states is to become a state yourself. The best way to create a state like structure is to provide services to people in exchange for power. Large organized structures will always defeat small less well organized structures, even if individual footsoldiers are less well armed. Organization and logistics are where its at.
>>62929884Only in their head though. That's the point. They look like 10 year olds playing soldier. It's one of the most cringe things possible.
>>62933049Pretty much this. The pipeline for proving gear and tactics flows down from the tier 1 squadrons to tier 2 and out to combat arms.Absolutely nothing wrong with emulating guys who know what they are doing and trying to learn from their experience.Not all of us are hitting 2 houses a night for months at a time or out on patrol in a distant fob.Tier 1 shoots so much they have super high rates of getting weird cancers and lead poisoning. If I can be more like them without the expense of getting blown up, shot, and ruining my body, that’s a win.
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>>62929909I have a Mitznefit because they're useful.
>>62936136Scary eyes. Not human.
>>62929824shut upyou're gonna nerf my epic loot drops
