Should drones be made a war crime? They are as dirty as poison and nuclear ammo.
>>62947636Morally, they are no different then sniping someone from afar.
Why are drone fags so fucking retarded?
>>62947646>durr I can't see the person killing me this is a warcrimeOr using bombs, mortars, or artillery, or any other indirect fire.
>>62947636Why?
>>62947636The military don't care about the FAA.
We should ban the use of semiconductors and digital computing in all militaries to return the world to an age of dials and knobs, early jet fighters and late battleships, without a care in the world about missiles, and if you want to strategic bomb someone you had to fly over them like a real man (VT fuses and mechanical fire control computers are okay though so good luck in your B-29)
>>62947636>war crimeThis shit is stupid to begin with "all is fair in love and WAR" if you're trying to win who the fuck cares what is "dirty" or not, if you were a Ukrainian you would not be writing this stupid shit right now, you would not care about what is "honorable" in battle or some shit you'd care about suvival and protecting your people/country. If Russians are tired of dying from something that is not fair they should try not invading sovreign nations.
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>>62947806Subhuman
>>62947801right after we all agree on reducing the global carbon footprint
>>62947801We should just go back to tribal chiefs of very ould duking it out.Lock each head of state of belligerent nations in a metal hemisphere with a bunch of assorted weapons and have them fight to the death. The loser's entire government will be killed too.
FPV drones are as far from a war crime as you can possibly get, since they are a highly discriminate weapon that hits only the intended target, with chances for collateral damage lower than from a fucking firearm.If we cared about humane war, we would ban everything but drones.
>>62947636Wars need to be fought with spears, bows, and horses again. Our obsession with comfort and convenience even when snuffing out human life, will be the end of us. Humanity won’t go extinct from nuclear war or a meteorite, it’ll be the pleasure bot shooting heroin into your arm and giving you a handjob that kills you.
>>62947636>nuclear ammowhen will rusfags stop coping about DU being unethical"but if it pens a vehicle the crew might get cancer 30 years later" first off nosecond, if your vehicle is hit and penetrated by M829. you are dead. your crew is dead. you are, in fact, liquefied. same is true for tungsten sabot. DU just self-sharpens, carries a bit more KE, and penetrates more.you're more likely to get cancer from the stress of being a soldier than from walking around near the burnt-out wreck of a tank that's been killed by DU.
>>62947636Why is everyone pissing themselves about drones? It is no different than a guided form of mortar fire, sure it is cool and innovative and will certainly be important, but it is nothing to shit yourself over.
>>62950259Isn't DU unethical because of mess the people have to deal with afterwards? Sure it's only like 10% as radioactive as Uranium, but it will still fuck shit up for the civilians.
>>62950288Only if you're dumb enough to try to eat parts of a blown-up T-90Which would give you problems anyway
>>62950288>>62950746furthermore - same could be said of any explosive, any munitions containing heavy metals such as lead or cobalt, anything that leaks fuel when the tank is hit, etc. etc. there's not much in war that isn't dangerous for the environment, and depleted uranium in some NATO sabot isn't special in that regard.
>>62947636How about we make invasion in general a war crime? Would solve a lot of problems I think if any country stepping one foot outside its borders was nuked to oblivion by the whole rest of ther planet.
The only reason I think it should be a war crime and why I have issue with it, why I think it’s very different than sniping someone from afar is because in every video I’ve seen where it shows the drone operator it’s a bunch of seemingly weaker who seem well fed, calm, rested, etc people who begin cheering when they blow up a dehydrated half starved to death exhausted 18 year old as if the kid was giving them a run for their money or a fight for their life. Or like the random soldier they got was some kind of Rambo esque multi tour vet with a crazy reputation. I don’t believe the weak should have power to feel strong in this way. Without actually experiencing the hardship or being at risk.A sniper is still out in the open even if far away and hidden, still has to spend time reaching his point and then get out, risks being found. Has to be prepared to fight in close range if caught. Some geek in an air conditioned room no where near the danger essentially playing black ops 2 but feels as if he survived something hard and deserves the same “glory” as an infantry who made it out alive I mean that’s just gay.The weak grow extremely arrogant when given the means to compete, especially without the same risks, is all I’m saying. And it’s dangerous for humanity as a whole. It’s the same as a sheltered fat retard civilian who’s parents have funded his whole life never been in a fight never struggled thinking he can say and do whatever he wants and no one will stop him simply because laws exist if that better explains what I mean.On top of this a lot of drone operators still wind up with ptsd and offing themself anyways. It just seems like a role meant for people who don’t belong in war.>>62948093This but unironically. There’s a level of “abledness” that goes away with this rise of comfort. Imagine getting blown up by a drone, surviving as a cripple who shits in a bag and then seeing the pilots video online where he starts fortnite emoting
>>62947978Defense is not obligated to lose
>>62948084Simulate wars and gas the victims.
>>62950968western democrazy is by definition the rule of the inferior
>>62950817we can do that after everyone gets their rightful clay back
>>62947636
Why drones trigger autists so much? Is just a drone, get over it.
>>62947636What hurts the most is behind the drone is some fat nolife that spent all his time online before war instead of proper soldier.I've heard troops have no mercy for drone "pilots" if the get caught.
This >>62950968 and this>>62951288
>>62947654They are actually more ethical then all of these because they are very discriminate and the attack can be cancelled up to the last moment. So drones reduce collateral damage and civilian casualties immensely
>>62950288>The DU birth defects mythIt was inbreeding everyone is just to scared to say it
>>62950968May as well ban all my modern weapons then by that logic
>>62947636That's the same as asking if using NODs or thermals is a war crime.>iS sHoOtInG sOmEoNe In WaR a WaRcRiMe?
>>62947636Is war a war crime?Oh no! Better go to, war with them...
>>62951297You retards realize these drones have a range of like 10km and that's in a non EW environment. Arty can have a range of up to 30km or more, missiles even longer. FPV drone pilots are way closer to the front like then artillery or missile soldiers. You can say the same shit about Iskander operators as well, who are in alot less danger then FPV operators.
>>62951830You're just low iq if you don't understand it. No point in arguing with people like you.
The pidor cries out in pain about warcrimes as he mass deports your children and bombs civilian centers
If you use drones, the enemy as every right to commit perfidy, execute drooners, and use Gas to smoke out the dronerat
>>62947636Speaking russian should be a war crime punished with immediate execution.
>>62947636Yes, drones are gay as sucking dick.Will never happen though, until after the war vs rogue A.I.After that nuke anyone even suspected of crafting robotics.
>>62947646>>62947654>Sniper, artillery, etc still exposed to return fire.>Drone operator can be on another continentIt is smart, but it is not honorable.
>>62955204Does pidor mean jew? I only speak American.
>>62947636Such restrictions work directly against and apply only to civilized people and countries, orcs will use them regardlessMore time and effort should be used for developing ways how to counter them as cheaply and abundantly as these drones are produced
>>62950259Anon the problem of DU is not the poor bastards that are its victims. The problem of DU is that if enough of it is used in a small place, there is a risk of poisoning local populations in the mid to long run.
>>62951288Yeah I don't care what side you're on, I think we can all agree that drone operators don't deserve a quick, merciful painless death
>>62955222>Will never happen though, until after the war vs rogue A.I.Literally never happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSXU1zw9NVk&>>62955271Imagine STILL believing in nuclear paranoia horseshit. Hey Einstein, what do you think the DEPLETED part of depleted uranium stands for? Could it perhaps be a reference to the fact that the uranium's radioactive properties have been depleted?
desu the very idea that you can somehow commit "war crimes" against invaders is laughable
>>62950968Well, I am surprised that no one has tried to refute this effortpost or at least even half assed some points but ok>Small drone operators have to operate on the field due to range limitations, they might hide inside buildings and still not be right next to the frontline but they still have to be in the fight, if this is not "warriorlike" enough then artillerymen shouldn't receive any medals for throwing shells that no one wants to avoid due to lazyness>Larger drone operators end up with PTSD precisely by the disconnect of long range warfare. They kill people and get to see from afar the consequences of their attack on burning tank crews that clearly should be put out of their misery and in the GWOT era they had to tail targets for so long before shooting that they got to know if the target had a family, friends and donated to charity, there is a reason why a certain degree of psychopathy is allowed in the military>A drone operator can even be argued that it is even a more humane way to wage war. You get to identify the target, you can identify its surroundings, drop your grenade almost exactly where you want, you can limit collateral damage and even halfway through you can call off the attack and even have another drone around for damage assesment. There is even the possibility of using that drone to help wounded people and guide them to safety with very little risk for the operator. This is far more valuable than just how much effort and risk the operator has to engage to accomplish its mission.And finally>War was never about glory, the case for warrior mentalities died in 1914.
>>62955286That is why I said poisoning in the mid term.Please, proceed to illuminate us on how safe is to drink from water sources that have been contaminated by DU shells or what happens when the materials gets eroded and dispersed around the land, where people breathe or grow crops or livestock eat... I mean, you were about to say that DU is safe to eat were you not?
>>62955301This.
>See Urug tribe throw stones>Very rage>Real warriors from Grug tribe bash with clubs>Urug tribe no honour
>>62955229Honor is for suckers.In war you should never figh fair or honorable. You do what you have to win because losing bears a price that is far too high.
>>62955339>using clubsReal warriors use only fist.
>>62948018>in a metal hemisphere with a bunch of assorted weaponsA metal hemisphere.. like a kind of dome.. surrounded by the thunder of th crowdA thunder-dome, if you will..
>>62958752True warriors use only head
I miss drone-dildo tech tree we had going on 10 year ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbnDr_IbdIU&t=37s
>>62950968Your whole take is just an evolved version of medieval noblemen whining that crossbows and firearms are le bad because they negate their edge gained by long training and expensive equipment.Besides, you ignore the fact that those small drones (esp. FPV ones) lack the range to keep the operators far enough from danger, plus "piloting" such drone makes you effectively blind, static and defenseless.
