>be Syrian rebels>have enemy totally routed>gets dark, stop, sleepy timeWtf? I get that they don't have much night vision but I'm seeing older articles that confirms that HTS have at least some. Why stop pushing just cause it's dark?This has got to be one of the most infuriating things about modern conflict.
>>62949002Maybe it's so logistics can catch up?
Night ops are more than just a set of NVG's, you've got to have a really robust C3 going or you just end up with your own guys shooting the fuck out of each other. Which would be kind of embarrassing.
jihadist gets eepy, jihadist goes to sleep. fighting can continue in the morningas shrimple as that
>>62949002Didn't they commit this mistake the last time around?
Are they actually like, fighting anyone? Because those gains are fucking insane, it's like there's nobody there to oppose them.
>>62949002Sandniggers are terrified of djins (muslim demons)
>>62949109They walked into a vacant city and acted like it was a conquest through arms. They’re already getting the shit bombed out of them even as they celebrate.
>>62949130They didn't bother to defend the largest city in the country after it took them 5 years to take it back?
>>62949132Don’t ask me, I’m not Assad’s advisor (thank Allah)
>>62949002Ukraine has accustomed us to Slavic retardation. We have forgotten the depths of Sandnigger retardation.Don't expect anything in this war to make sense because it hasn't so far.
>>62949109Yes, the rebels breached the defensive line in front of the highway then poured reinforcements into Aleppo. SAA forces are in full retreat so there wasn't much fighting in the city proper.
>>62949177>there wasn't much fighting in the city proper.Which is why I don't totally buy >>62949085>you've got to have a really robust C3 going or you just end up with your own guys shooting the fuck out of each otherThey were almost to the airport. Could've just driven on the highways for 30 minutes or walked for a couple hours. I guess the only pro for them is that the Assadists are also sleeping rather than setting up defenses.
>>62949189War in real life is different than in our heads. Coordinating thousands of soldiers is very difficult when they can see, it's virtually impossible when they can't.
>>62949261you also can't just have the same soldiers fight for 24 hours straight. presumably you need to be able to rotate in fresh units in order to continuously attack
>>62949132surprise raids by light infantry work amazingly well against almost everyone, as you need "minutemen" always at the ready to provide resistance. basically any city on earth would fall, as police will be routed as they're not prepared to deal with it.the hard part is holding on to what your raid captures.
>>62949274I look forward to kino CQB footage
>>62949271I mean maybe keep 20% of your force back just for night operations? Like they had months to prepare they could've thought of it. Then just give those guys a bit better comms
>>62949274>surprise raids by light infantrythey had tanks
>>62949132Assad has no army
>>62949274You're mischaracterizing the situation. It's not like Aleppo was some undefeated city. The rebels started attacking 72 hours ago and broke through the lines defending the city.
>>62949288Is that why he’s no longer in power?
>>62949297it'll take at least several days for a national guard or military to mobilize and counter-attack, as they need to do it properly and not run into the unknown.this is why organized militia are so useful, but almost no one uses them anymore.
>>62949309>mobilizeThe country has been at war for 13 years what the fuck are you talking about? There was a front line between the rebels and the SAA. The rebels breached the line and took the city.
>>62949002Why do I cheer for Assad vs the rebels but I hate putin and want Ukraine to win?
>>62949325Because whatever the fuck replaces Assad is not going to be good for anybody.
>>62949325You acknowledge that Assad keeps a lid on the various jihadist goatfuckers in the region while also acknowledging that Russia launched an unjust invasion of Ukraine. You can hold both of these positions regardless of the thirdie shills who will attack you for it.
>>62949320They were “at war” all of this time but all both sides really did until now was man glorified toll booths
>>62949320just look at israel with hamas or kursk with ukrainians. both israel and russia needed time to mobilize.
>>62949325I want Assad in power, but Russia and Iran have pay out the ass to keep him there. This current offensive isn't a death blow to him, but it's going to be costly to retake Aleppo.
>>62949285>Then just give those guys a bit better commsIf only it were as simple as that>>62949325If you're over the age of 20, a decent chunk of politics during your life has been defined by the attempt by the West to break the dictatorships of the Middle East and establish democracies, usually with disastrous results. You likely see Assad as a dictator but don't really give a fuck because you feel the alternative is your own nation having to get involved if his regime collapses and another decade of "peacekeeping" sets in.Meanwhile Russia is the opposite, it's a "democracy" but they're kicking shit up in Europe which further endangers destabilization of politics and war. So fuck them.
>>62949325Everyone hates Putin, even psycos who like the Norks hate him. If Assad falls everything will be worse for the world.
>>62949002Wait, what the fuck, when did this happen? I've been out of the loop for a few days. I thought Syria was quiet now.
>>62949356>and establish democracies, usually with disastrous results.Rember that time Obama overthrew a allied government in Egypt, insisted on free elections then helped the previous dictatorship overthrow, torture and murder the democracy we pushed for because they voted wrong? Good times.
>>62949325i'm pretty no one likes islamic terrorists outside of muslim incels and the cia.
I forget, did Prigo stop in the middle of his push on the Kremlin to eep?
>>62949361Just a few days. Apparently been planned for awhile.
>>62949372Yes, he made it into Moscow Oblast but apparently cut a deal with someone and stopped. Only after shooting down like 4 helicopters and a Russian AWACs
>>62949325Because the dysfunctional state(s) that follow will make the last decade in Syria look like a case study in mature governance.Which is saying something, considering Assad's grotesque incompetence and corruption lead to this arrangement in the first place.
>>62949380Well yea but that would be stopping because of the deal, not cause he was afraid of the dark
>>62949385time to turn Europe into a fortress to stop the immigrant wave coming from this shithole
>>62949132Gesture of good will. Aleppo is the newest cauldron. The eybrow is raised and this ass is filled
>>62949367The belief that Muslims can live in a democratic society destroyed U.S. foreign policy in the 21st century.
>>62949325Because 99% of the people lining up to replace him are WORSE by a MASSIVE fucking margin.As much of an asshole as Assad is, he isn't particularly inclined to committing wholesale genocide, especially since his government is the living embodiment of minority rule (it's infinitely closer to the Apartheid-era South Africa analogy as Israel is, as much as Hamas simps love to cry about it), Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi was.
>>62949325The rebels are all some flavor of death cult jihadist at this point and the best case scenario if they take over the country is Syria devolves into a complete warlord state and becomes an even worse breeding ground for international terrorism. The worst case is Khmer Rouge: Islam edition.
>>62949405>Muslims can live in a democratic societyBosnians, Albanians, and even Chechens can. But that's because they're racially European (mostly). Keep in mind that Arab and African Christians seem to be no more capable of practicing democracy in any meaningful way as their Muslim cousins.*see Lebanon, Nigeria, Liberia, Central African Republic etc.>>62949448>Khmer Rouge: Islam edition.One of the less-talked about aspects of the Khmer Rouge was ironically its genocidal slaughter of its Muslim minorities.>According to Ben Kiernan, the "fiercest extermination campaign was directed against the ethnic Chams, Cambodia's Muslim minority." Islam was seen as an "alien" and "foreign" culture that did not belong in the new Communist system. Initially, the Khmer Rouge aimed for the "forced assimilation" of Chams through population dispersal. Pol Pot then began using intimidation efforts against the Chams that included the assassination of village elders, but he ultimately ordered the full-scale mass killing of the Cham people. American professor Samuel Totten and Australian professor Paul R. Bartrop estimate that these efforts would have completely wiped out the Cham population were it not for the overthrow of the Khmer Rouge in 1979. In a Khmer Rouge official meeting took place in Sector 41, Kampong Cham province in 1977, a plan was proclaimed up to "smash enemies of the revolution", stating that "the enemies of the revolution are many, but our biggest enemy are Cham. So the Plan calls for the destruction of all the Cham people before 1980." In fact, more telegrams were sent from Pol Pot to local governments between 1978 and 1979 than usual hastily ordered the total eradication of the Cham must be achieved before 1980.
>>62949459They should just call it the Cambodian Omnicide at this point, I'm not sure who actually was spared from it.
>>62949474Didn't they kill glasses wearers at one point or did I dream that?
>>62949479yes they did. wearing glasses indicated that you are an intellectual, therefore you need to die
>>62949325Because Assad, for all his faults, is the only tardwrangler that's holding back the tards from creating a migrant crisis that'd fucked up Europe while the malicious, self serving assholes in the US and Israel are trying to Mossad Assad which is basically what they did in Iraq and Libya!
>>62949285>Why werent they just better and why didnt they win
>>62949546Didn't Assad help create the first migrant crisis by displacing all of those Syrians who were in the wrong place or supported the wrong factions? And a large portion of the blame rests on Germans who welcomed them out of White guilt and the successful long-term Russian psyop behind that their guilt. This opened the door to everyone else from the region as well as Africa. Despite the overwhelming numbers, Germans tried to push the EU to take in more migrants. Russia was always happy to oblige where they could by shipping more migrants westward as part of their hybrid warfare strategy.
>>6294910925th and 4th div of the SAA reportedly fought and the 25th performed counterattacks without much success, though this is coming from sources with a bias against the gov, Calibre reported it so I think it's trustworthy but Calibre is also vehemently anti-Assad
Man, I can't wait for Assad to get Gaddaffied.They better film that with a proper camera this time.
>>62949575Pretty much, yes. And Merkel just walked right into their trap, like the mindbroken Ossi slave she is.
>>62949459Liberia was a functioning democracy from its inception until 1980 when it was overthrown by a coup and has been a functioning democracy since the end of the Second Liberian Civil War in 2003.
>>62949684Liberia was run by African Americans who were at the very least culturally westernized. They also were likely mixed blood.That said, idk Nigeria seems to be doing fine these days. Seems to be more the Sahel region than african coasts that are so fucked
>>62949002What fighting?
>>62949619>Ok CikeIA!
>>62949361You didn't miss anything, the city fell in one day.
>>62949130If by getting the shit bombed out of them you mean a few civilian families in Idlib, yes.
>>62949356>attempt by the West to break the dictatorships of the Middle East and establish democraciesYou must be in your 20sCaptcha:M240G
>>62950000quads of truth
>>62949503Given that Pol Pot was an intellectual with a PhD in social sciences from Sorbonne it is both extremely hypocritical and extremely based at the same time for him to arrive at the conclusion of removing all intellectuals from his peasant society is a good thing
Mashallah, the sword of allah cuts swiftly
>>62949097>jihadistretard
>>62949546Assad was the one who displaced the endless streaam of muslims in the first place to get back at Europeans who were fueling the conflict. He just ran out of ammunition, that's all.
>>62949609Bananjamin deserves it more. Even his own name hints at the fate awaiting him
>>62949002Habibi, my friend.You expect me to fight then fight? You do not know our culture. We are tired. We sleep now, then we fight again tomorrow. Inshallah they are still running
>>62950035NTA but the rebel alliance is definitely jihadist. Look at the factions under the umbrella and you will see they are mostly Sunni Islamist in philosophy and are opposed to secularism (albeit that's not the only reason why they want to overthrow the government.)
Rebels are getting dangerously close to Banan. It's not clear if monke's intervention will be able to prevent its capture...
>>62949002>Why no fighting at night?You need a general with Night Fighter to initiate the attack, and rebel armies don't have generals.
>>62950035>HTS>not jihadist
>>62949189They might just not have slotted that objective into a training schedule, or if they did they had the guys training around it during a daytime assault.Or just throw in the complete fucking chaos factorGuys you wanted to do it got hung up somewhere else, out of position or couldn't do it an be combat effective enough to pull it off. Got to remember gear is only one part of a mission, having the tools for the job but the other big important factors are the commanders who are all on the same page and timeline to execute the job itself. Then you have to train your guys to know where they will be on the day (or night) and what they're expected to do once they reach certain points in the mission.So at its simplest you might have say 30 dudes headed to do an objective, split them up in about 5 squads or sections>Two on the leading elements>One in the rear>Two on the sidesNow you know where your buddies are and what sectors they're covering, so when shit kicks off and you're on the leading elements, you know there's guys to your left doing their job, one to the right an one covering your rear- so you focus on your job which is the direct op-for in your forward sector and move in to do your work. Then you practice making sure all the sub-formations are working together, their dispersal, equipment, chain of command and what to do when shit goes wrong.Course you can half arse it like thirdies do, Team Benis see's movement on their left and right carrying some guns in the dark and just starts lighting up cunts because everyone's high as a motherfucker on yellow pills and you've not slept, had a hell of a day so far so your decision making capability is practically fried.
>>62949546Nigger, Assad is the one who kickstarted this whole shitfest by shooting up and gassing his own people in response to what were relatively run-of-the-mill Arab Spring protests. He literally has more blood on his hands than ISIS.
>>62949990We need a new version with Bibi where all the “Israel must go” people are all dead
>>62950035we tried finding NON-jihadi anti-Assad militias to support and literally couldn't, dipshitthe CIA complained that the one or two non-jihadi militias they did manage to find hired jihadi mercs anyway
>>62949309>this is why organized militia are so usefulit's even better to have rear-area defensive troops, and that is why we're bringing them back
>>6294942699% are worse. That's true. But only because Assad deliberately set things up to be that way."Eliminate all legitimate political alternatives" is literally the first and last rule of the authoritarian handbook. That's literally all they need to do to stay in power.The Assadists have a slogan "Assad or we burn the country", but for the last decade it has been "Assad AND we burn the country" the threat has lost it's power on me. I'm willing to roll the dice on regime change. Even if it is just a Turkish puppet.
>>62950064Russia must act now and secure it's geostrategic supply of banan.
>>62949002The holy quran stipulates 8 hours of uninterupted beauty sleep for all mujahedin.
The more inbred the arab, the worse their natural night vision is. They all suffer from the same congenital defect due to the rampant sister fucking in their culture.
>>62949303I wouldn't say that so glibly at the moment. He ran with his tail between his legs to Daddy Putin for help within the first 24 hours, so obviously he doesn't have the situation under control.
>>62949002>Why no fighting at night?Because successively advancing atat night requires more 9000 times more training and special equipment (NVGs, GPS, digital maps) proliferation than advancing during day.
>>62949325because the years of based assad shilling have been surprisingly effective, you don't have to root for anyone
>>62950283Imagine still believing the fucking gassing narrative 12 years later
>>62950444The country will burn without a strongman, Assad or not. They’re medieval savages. If some limp dick democratic leader was in power he’d 100% be headless by now.
>>62950759Regardless, this strongman has lost the mandate of heaven
>>62950035These are the guys making rapid gains, just tell me what it looks like
>>62950035>john mccain posting from heaven
>>62950938Honestly might be better to put up a temporary sticky general thread whenever something big happens so redundant ones are being put up.
>>62950744Imagine being a scum-sucking zigroid subhuman turd worlder in 2k24
>>62949002>tired from running around all day and need a good sleep>night ops without NVGs are extremely hard>night ops without excellent training and robust C2 networks is fucking uselessEven for a top shelf military, everything is just easier when you can see what you're doing. GWOT gave an extremely warped perception of night operations to a lot of people. Yeah, it makes sense to do it when your enemy has literally no night vision and is an atomized network that allows you to raid a few guys at your leisure. It just doesn't work when both you and the enemy are an organized fighting force.There was an article (I can't find it anymore) written by an NTC OCT that talked about how units with all this GWOT experience kept trying to do night attacks and how they just don't work against an enemy that isn't four, unsuspecting guys in a rural qalat being raided by one platoon. Battalion level operations just become an order of magnitude harder.
>>62950894>>62950913>tell me what it looks liketypical Global South culture
>>62950913BasedISIS. Vatniks won't make it out of the airport and will be handed over to fun time Ukrainian interrogators
>>62949002>Why no fighting at night?the djinn are out at night brother.
>>62949002Is anyone besides the Turks supplying the FSA/HTS with weapons/ISR/training?
>>62951380Everyone else still has them pegged as a terror group succeeding al-Nusra though at the same time, they aren't getting bombed to shit these days, presumably because they've mellowed out a bit so maybe there's under the table dealings, but it's highly unlikely.
>>62949325Assad's regime is more stable than whatever mish-mash of arab militias that would replace it. Ukraine is more stable than whatever occupational or puppet government Putin would try to impose.
>>62952108Post hands
>>62950744I didn't believing the gassing stuff when it was first reported, because I didn't believe the government could be that stupid, but after seeing ziggers at work, I changed my mind.
>>62950913they look like fine freedom-loving folk to me.
>>62949325Assad didn't invade anyone and he's sure as hell going to be better than whoever takes over. He's much more palatable than Saddam or Gaddafi
>>62950444>I'm willing to roll the dice on regime change.Are you living in Syria?
>>62949325Because it's obvious that the FSA are just Turkish/US backed jihadists that won't make Syria any better. The SDF are the only good guys.
>>62949002I never understood why cant fighting be like a 9 to 5 affair. Just like work. You can rest a bit, play vidya, drink water, get a solid 8 hours then go back to fighting,what am I missing
>>62952612Sure but the SDF are led by K*rds.
>>62952614Yeah?
>>62952614they might decide to fight during vidya time anon, then you'll be in a tough spot, because you trusted them
>>62952639But if you play a PVP game with the enemy they'll be disincentivized from attacking you in real life out of fear of losing in the game.
>>62952639>fight during vidya timeWarchimes.
>>62952663this is why it's often helpful to have a larger army than the opponent, to keep the controllers all manned while you pull a fast one on them
How long until Assad's counteroffensive? They're apparently already regrouping.
>>629527042 more weeks.
>>62952704>regroupingWhere is left for regrouping lol
>>62949002They just took a city of 2 million people. Establishing control isn't easy even if they are happy to have you there.Second, they did keep moving on the other axis. They are into the suburbs of Hama now. There wasn't fighting because they were able to move through a very large area of SAA territory without having to fight.
>>62949337>>62949347there isn't an excuse for a country with an active front line to have lax border security in any capacity. There is a whole science behind "delaying actions", using small forces to dramatically slow the advance of disproportionately larger forces
>>62949130>We didn't need our largest city and economic capital.>Actually, we let the enemy in for free so we could bomb our own city. The Russian air force has done fuck all effective. Their response has been to terror bomb civilians in rebel held cities like retards.
>>62952728I hear Lausanne is nice this time of year.
>>62950913the bandana says "Secularism and Freedom" on it
>>62949337Incorrect. HTS has been stepping up attacks for several months prior and I guess assad just didn't fucking care.
>>62949274they did not 'overwhelm policing forces' they enveloped and destroyed proper military formations. they are not light infantry, either. They had tank units rolling into the city.>>62949309>it'll take at least several days for a national guard or military to mobilize and counter-attack, as they need to do it properly and not run into the unknown.There were thousands of soldiers in the area with heavy equipment of all kinds. They simply were defeated.>this is why organized militia are so useful, but almost no one uses them anymore.Assad has organized militas under his command. They ran.
>>62950589This, the reality of consanguineous marriages in the arab world is rarely discussed, but has massive ramifications. It's no wonder that the place is perma fucked, like everyone's sisters. Pic rel
>>62952850Inshallah.
The rebels are too lacking in manpower to make it much past Hama at most. Assad is very low on manpower too. Losing Aleppo would be big long term though.I honestly don't see this war resolving until someone steps in to end it. It seems like Syria will be a new Afghanistan (which still has active insurgencies) or Central African Republic, where there isn't anyone with the leverage to get international recognition for a new state but the old one ceases to exist.What would probably be best would be for the SDF areas to become part of Kurdistan, which would become independent from Iraq while Turkey takes over the rest and sets up a state. That seems like a fair trade, and to be honest emigration could help resolve Turkey's Kurd issues. But Papa Roach has generally been retarded so more likely they will just keep supporting insane jihadis rather than making things better and getting a pipeline as a reward (and to fuck Russia more).
>>62952993Idk, there are reports of rebels rising up in Damascus and Druze lands. Could be Joever for Assad
>>62952918How the fuck whole population isn't 50 IQ at this point. Serious answer please.
>>62951860People don't want Ukraine to win because it can govern the region in a stable manner or whatever. We would all be saying "if only the Tsar stayed in power and the Ottomans never collapsed and the British still ruled America and the Han Dynasty was never overthrown" if stability was everything.For all Assad's many problems he is a more "legitimate" ruler of a state than whatever jumped-up jihadists threaten him on any given day. Legitimacy is a thing that humans make up, it's subjective, but basically most people see governments that at least attempt to solve problems they agree are important as legitimate. Governments that spend all their focus on things people don't care about or actively disagree with are seen to lose legitimacy.A puppet government in Ukraine would not try to solve any problems that are actually of concern to anyone besides the top guys in the Russian system. A Jihadist government in Syria would be just as unproductive in doing anything besides preparing for more wars and raping women as all the other Jihadist governments to date. Ukraine and Assad have far more legitimacy than these prospects to most people.
>>62949274>policeas far as I know they were fighting the 4th and 25th div of the SAA, both of which have been gutted in recent years but are still some of the heavyweight units of the SAA. 25th was one of the best equipped units of the SAA, though I don't know what the situation was like after the "reorganization" they underwent.
>>62953033if you have 50iq you are basically incapable of life without assistance. it's crippling.
>>62953042>For all Assad's many problems he is a more "legitimate" ruler of a state than whatever jumped-up jihadists threaten him on any given day. Legitimacy is a thing that humans make up, it's subjective, but basically most people see governments that at least attempt to solve problems they agree are important as legitimate. Governments that spend all their focus on things people don't care about or actively disagree with are seen to lose legitimacy.He isn't, though. The people are apathetic. They don't care. They don't like assad because he terrorizes them an they're tired of war. They just want someone to win, and if that's the rebels, then that's what it is.If he was legitimate in the first place there wouldn't be a civil war.
>>62952911HTS barely has any armor, don't exaggerate you tard. Barely having any armor is still a lot in Syrian terms, given that the SAA was likely lacking in armor as well, but given the poor C3 and SA of both sides (even if HTS have purportedly way better C3 this time around) numerically few tanks fighting light infantry in city rubble is gonna be a struggle, especially with drones.
>>62953069Did you read my question? I asked how is it possible they aren't borderline retarded at this point. They have been doing this for centuries.
>>62952728They're regrouping around Hama. Mark my words
>>62953102Not even the Russians think they'll hold Hama
>>62953080>HTS barely has any armor, don't exaggerate you tardThey have plenty of armor for the type of war they're fighting. Less then the SAA, sure. But they aren't the taliban hiding in caves. They have their own artillery, drone operators, specops, they even have PMCs gunrunning for them and doing tactical training.>but given the poor C3 and SA of both sidesHTS appears to have reasonably good of both, for arabs.numerically few tanks fighting light infantry in city rubble is gonna be a struggle, especially with drones.The problem is that the city was not empty. There were hundreds to thousands of soldiers, militamen, etc., and in the two days it took them to get to aleppo it would not be hard to move soldiers in from nearby bases, or for fleeing units to regroup. there were absolutely significant garrisons of men in and around aleppo that should have been able to at least DELAY HTS. instead they smashed through all the defenses and all attempts to stop them.this simply did not happen. the SAA failed abysmally and the HTS did very well. nothing about this is normal, or 'typical'. it should not have been a surpise, the suprise should not have been able to overrun over a hundred settlements including several extremely major ones. 'any city on earth would fall' only works if those cities do not have nearby military units. SAA units were IN THE CITY. AND THEN THEY LEFT.
>>62953128what i meant is that it wasn't going to be a few SAA tanks fighting a horde of light infantry, if they actually stood it would have been SAA and HTS infantry duking it out with the support of their own armored formations. it is, for all intents and purposes, simply a normal attack. the infantry are just the fastest bit.
>>62952850Really ?I immediately thought he was an islamist with islamist shit writen on his bandanaLast 20 years made me racist lol
>>62952850I read it as "I love the CIA"
>>62953128I'm not the anon you were arguing with earlier, and I'm not saying the SAA didn't fail, though I don't think they just up and left so easily either, there have been reportedly counterattacks against HTS that failed. Saying "tank units rolling into the city" is absolutely an exaggeration though, they have plenty of armor for Syria, yes that's what I said, I'm just being autistic about your wording, because it's not like this was some conventional mechanized assault. What I meant by>numerically few tanks fighting light infantry in city rubble is gonna be a struggle, especially with drones.was not that it was just SAA tanks standing in the way of HTS, but that the battle was primarily an infantry battle (again, autism about your wording), and that SAA tanks had limited effect due to HTS use of drones.And yes, HTS has good C3 and SA compared to the SAA, I said as much, but coordinating an armored assault into an urban environment filled with light infantry is not something that you can do with just C3 and SA that's reasonably good, for arabs.>>62953134and I'm pretty sure that's what happened, except that HTS with their superior C3 and use of novel tactics like drones was able to counter the SAA's armor (and the SAA's infantry for that matter).
>>62953150anon, I've got a bridge to sell you.
>>62953009I don't it but it would be about fucking time. I feel like only people who haven't been paying attention don't realize what a true piece of shit he is and him getting ass stabbed à la Qaddafi, by the same jihadis he empowered and aided to help slide Iraq into civil war, would be poetic justice.
>>62949405>>62949448The more civilized people tend to be less suited for brutal fratricidal warsSupporting democracy often means you have weaker convictions and would rather talk it out than use violence (great in peace time but not in a war)To have a democracy you need to be willing to>Give political opponents a chance to win every few years>If they do win, peacefully let them in and accept defeat
>>62953098>I asked how is it possible they aren't borderline retarded at this point. They have been doing this for centuries.because at that point you can't function lol. they'll just die. who's going to support them? the government?>I'm not the anon you were arguing with earlier, and I'm not saying the SAA didn't fail, though I don't think they just up and left so easily either, there have been reportedly counterattacks against HTS that failed. Saying "tank units rolling into the city" is absolutely an exaggeration though, they have plenty of armor for Syria, yes that's what I said, I'm just being autistic about your wording, because it's not like this was some conventional mechanized assault. What I meant byI didn't mean that, I meant they had units of tanks rolling into the city. talked past each other, I suppose.
>>62953177>>62953218whoopsalso, I agree that they didn't just all leave (Though many did). there's a lot of vids of dead or captured SAA soldiers.
>>62953215Idk Rojava as I understand it is crazy democratic and doing a lot better than the assad guys.I think you're right that the EU and US are like that now but there have absolutely been militant liberals or democratic forces in the past. I.e. American Revolution, 1848, French Revolution soirt of, Burma rebels, etc.Another example of them being weak though, the Kadets in the Russian Civil War. They were a large political force pre-war but captured no territory in a war where capturing territory was done by every minor faction.
>>62953269The more sucessful examples all seem to have nationalism holding together>Rojava want a homeland for Kurds>Patriots wanted to be free from England>1848 revolutions were almost all nationalists (and many were failures)>Many Burma rebels are ethnic minorities who want their own state>French Revolution turned authoritarian fast, and also became a nationalism issue once the coalition tried to oust them
holy border gore batmanwhat the ABSOLUTE fuck is going on
>>62953111Hmmmmmmmm buddehhttps://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2024/30-november-20-proassad-forces-are-back-at-the-northern-entrance
>>62953300In general the original democracies seem to be almost proto-nationalist in a senseWhile The Greek democracies were small city states where citizenship was a matter of class and where your ancestors came fromRome started out the same way, and became an empire as it grew in size and expanded citizenshipMeanwhile the larger multicultural blobs liked Syria (whiose borders largely come from turkish/french imperial province) were ruled by empires
>>62953042Saying a criminal and murderer should stay in power because you are afraid of what may come after is just cowardice.
>>62949109>wagner ghosts>hezbollah cripples>IRGC moral support company>conscripted goat herders
>>62949546If only proper border enforcement could be made so not a single refugee would be able to crossThen there would be no refugee crisis, very simple really
>>62949546retard
>>62949085fpbp
>>62953269>Idk Rojava as I understand it is crazy democratic and doing a lot better than the assad guys.Rojava is like the leftists in the U.S. who tried to set up an autonomous commune in Seattle but... like... are actually successful at it. They're trying to do direct democracy like in Switzerland or New Hampshire town meetings. Life is tough but better than living under HTS or Assad. “'For a former diplomat like me, I found it confusing,' an American diplomat told the New York Times. “I kept looking for a hierarchy, the singular leader, or signs of a government line, when, in fact, there was none; there were just groups. There was none of that stifling obedience to the party, or the obsequious deference to the 'big man' — a form of government all too evident just across the borders, in Turkey to the North, and the Kurdish regional government of Iraq to the South. The confident assertiveness of young people was striking."https://youtu.be/ftgK1toV6fk>I think you're right that the EU and US are like that now but there have absolutely been militant liberals or democratic forces in the past. I.e. American Revolution, 1848, French Revolution soirt of, Burma rebels, etc.In the 19th century yeah. The Second Great Awakening in the U.S. which was about Protestant revival and also spawned new religious denominations (Adventists, Mormons) was really a radically democratic campfire thing which was paralleled with anti-clerical movements in Europe at the same time.
>>62953815>New Hampshire town meetingsI'm not exaggerating about this either, their ideology is partly inspired by an anarchist from Vermont named Murray Bookchin. It's a bunch of communes like in Republican Spain.
>>62951380>>62951632Qatar is still in good terms with them (kinda)the problem is Qatari media (Al Jazerra) have been sucking up to the Axis of Reddit for a while and now that this shit happened in Syria they are confused whether they should go pro-rebels mode or continue with glorifying Hizbollah and Hamas
>>62952993>the SDF areas to become part of Kurdistan, which would become independent from Iraqnot gonna happen, Iraqi Kurdistan hates PKK for many reasons and they kicked them out and they are on good terms with Turkey who will never allow the PKK to have a foot in Iraqi Kurdestan, even the Iraqi government will chimp about this remember they (Shia government) conquered Kirkuk from the kurds and they are still salty and waiting for the day to reclaim it back
>>62953936>Axis of Redditwat
>>62953815Rojava is a fucking corrupt poor shitholes and the government is pushing heavy liberal filth on the population (feminism, atheism..) few months ago there was a huge backlash from the population over the new anti-religion education program they created, idiots think they are in the west and can get away with this stuff lolalso i have no respect for those who whore their women on the media as a propaganda to show how progressive and pro-women they are, shit is so fake 99% of these women you see posing as freedom fighters never fired a bullet at the enemy just like in Ukraine
>>62953982''Russia is based'' and ''Iran is Le good'' are pretty common reddit opinions now
>>62953815>>62953863Could work. The single best military/guerilla leader of the Russian Civil War 9000 factions clusterfuck was an anarchist. Unfortunately, numbers and foreign backing were not on his side.
>>62953315first time?Syria was a FFA clusterfuck since all the way back in Obama's time
>>62950035Jihad just means struggle, you attempting to make non-moronic fucking posts would be considered jihad, if you were to actually go through with the attempt.
>>62953995
Rate the fit
Is puccia going to lose its warm water port lmao
>>62953995>Rojava is a fucking corrupt poor shitholesWell yeah it's poor. Point is, would you rather live with them or under HTS or Assad. Tastes vary though.>pushing heavy liberal filth on the population (feminism, atheism..)They're left-wing radicals so the point is to change things. They see their role as a vanguard, like a nucleus within a more conservative society, and changing that society means living up to the woke stuff (well, relatively speaking to the society, they're still Kurds) as a forward-looking example for others to follow while also having an army and being, like, actually effective (unlike leftists in a lot of countries).>shit is so fake 99% of these women you see posing as freedom fighters never fired a bullet at the enemy just like in UkraineHave some combat footage if you're interested:https://youtu.be/d4argahPScMhttps://youtu.be/e9zcWb_BeNohttps://youtu.be/thkVX6bIi4k
>>62953042>For all Assad's many problems he is a more "legitimate" ruler of a state than whatever jumped-up jihadists threaten him on any given dayOnly barely. He's an eye doctor who only inherited the job because his brother who was being groomed for presidency died in a car crash. I wish he'd stay in power but he's not doing a good job at all.
>>62952614For a lot of guerilla gorups it is/has been. For example a lot of local Viet Cong members still had to tend to their farms.
>>62954937Sort of looks like no more Mediterranean port for them, I think Tartus was their only one
>>62954937It sort of looks like they got stopped at Hama, so the initial party may be over. Latakia maybe be threatened, but Tartus will probably be fine unless the rebels can push up to Homs, that's when the entire coast gets cut off.
>>62953315Thats nothing. It was even worse in the late 2010s.
>>62949002Normies cant compehend the power of the SNOOZER
>>62955262Wake the fuck up zoomer! Fighting time!
>>62953317Right. Got anything NOT from a random Zegroid/Assadist xitter account?
>>62955289>That guy>Zegroid/Assadist>Reading comprehension?
>>62954008lol nothey still support Ukrainejust accept that you can agree with redditors sometimes
>>62955585>t.leddit
>>62953642I'd rather be a coward than be blown to bits turning my country into a bigger shitholeif you are that brave you could always join them, i think they still accept foreign volunteers
>>62955590Cope and seethehttps://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gkvcyu/russia_says_donald_trumps_election_win_useful_for/62K upvotesAll the top comments complaining Trump won't fight Russia hard enough
>>62955601>https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1gtjkv0/biden_allows_ukraine_to_strike_russia_with/68KAll the top comments cheering on it
>>62949448>Khmer Rouge: Islam editionThis sounds extremely funny and I'd love to watch that.
>>62949684>Liberia was a functioning democracy from its inception until 1980One of its elections from that time period famously had a turnout of around 2000%. It was definitely not a "functioning" democracy.
>>62955601>im not reddit>immediately posts a reddit link
>>62954937Rebels started to receive resistance, I think that's it for them.
>>62953033Inbred kids tend to turn out fine a lot of the time.
>>62954937Banan has fallen to the rebels
>>62955636>nooo you can't bring up evidence in this discussionI just went there and looked up Russia to see what they are saying about itIf anything you should be happy even those retards can reach an agreement with you about some things
>>62955642It all depends on the founding stock and how much dormant shit there isinbreeding generally won't create new mutations
>>62955642Oh no they don't. They end up with all sorts of mutant conditions ranging from just being idiots all the way through to some severe immune, pulmonary problems before getting the truly fucked up fertility, sex development and physical deformities. They're a severe burden on their family, If you ever get unlucky enough to visit Afghanistan or Pakistan, they all have a couple of village idiots that are good for absolutely nothing but wandering around making retard noises
>>62953815Again most of these seem to work because democracy is a mean to achieve a greater goalRojava has socialism/anarchism and Kurdish identity to hold them togetherThe Great Awakening was motivated by religionThe European revolutions were mostly driven by nationalism
>>62953317Those are NDF, thougheverbeit.>HTS makes yuge gains>various rebel cells see this as their time to shine and start doing rebel things all over the country (such as in the direct path of the HTS advance)>NDF start organizing in defense of Hama>SAA conspicuous in its absence
>>62955731didn't read, try not being a retard next time
>>62955739I imagine struggling to read and giving up on it is a common occurence for you.
>>62954970>Boromir would have crushed HTS without need for Russian assistance!
>>62955746sorry, I don't read shit posted by sharty niggers, nigger! kill yourself!
>>62949002>Why stop pushing just cause it's dark?The SAA put a curfew in effect, so being outside after dark would be illegal.
>>62955764Why didn't they also ban guns so the rebels would be forced to only use melee weapons?
>>62955739>>62955759>unironic zigger meltdownI love how pol attracts these schizos>im not from polYou argue like you are, gonna spam bbc next?
>>62955796They've moved on from the BBC onto the tranny porn.Bro's harddrive is full of babe cocks, and he has the gall to call us gay.
>>62955798Love how there latest cope was that trannies aren't gay, all for the motherland and Z
>>62955764>Lawfare
>>62954749yes Kurds are brown thank you for adding that to the reasons why Rojava is a shithole
>>62955759Have we checked Copenseethen for regrouping SAA formations?
>>62954969>Have some combat footageliteral posers same in Ukrainenotice how all the dead from the war in Syria and Uraine are men, once in a blue moon you'll see a picture of a dead femoid soldier
>>62949325Because you're not an al-qaida loving retard?
>>62955642yes one generation. But to my understanding they have been doing this for centuries
Why doesn't russia claim Syria as their new state and just invade it? The world seems ok with russia invading other countries.
>>62955798proofs?you are the first to mention cock in this thread
>>62950061>>62950125>>62950299HTS doesn't believe in global jihad, only localized jihad. They're like the Taliban in that sense, but more open to religious minorities.
>no newsIt's fizzeld out isn't it.
>>62953042Russia dominating then eastern parts of Ukraine is more legitimate than Assad ruling anything East of Latakia. You're just too retarded to see it.Then again, this board is full of anti-Zionist morons.
>>62956680negatory big news simply does not care.
>Reports of US airstrikes on the Iraqi-Syrian border, targeting Popular Mobilization Forces (PMF/PMU) crossing into Syria. lolAlso if you're not familiar, they're pro-Assad and were probably mobilized to stop the bleeding. Not the HTS part though. The Kurds are also on the move currently.
>>62956675Isn't the Taliban more of a "big tent" movement these days too? I remember some article a year or so after Kabul fell where Hazaras (who were the fiercest enemies of the Taliban back in the 90s) reaching out to them for protection from ISIS.
Good footage of HTS tactical Hilux convoys along the M4 highway heading from Aleppo toward Raqqa. They are having a ball.https://youtu.be/eWqmaDToF7Y>>62955686The Great Awakening was religious but the assemblies were also democratic and egalitarian that appealed to common people. It was kind of like a social rebellion and they were hostile to elaborate rituals and learned doctrines. Their political orientation was Jeffersonian and also involved building social institutions out in the middle of the harsh environment of Frontiersville, USA where that had been none. The early Mormons were also quasi-communistic.
>>62955616ISIS was halfway there but got dogpiled before they could truly cook. Now if they had been allowed to run their own country for a few years before chimping out hard enough to force someone else to step in and remove them you'd get a good idea of what that would look like.
>>62955262>>62955277uhh
>>62949325Because you are a russian propaganda huffing retard all the same ?The Assad family have always been a russian proxy.Assad genocided his own people to hold on to power.Faggots here crow about muh jihadist but comfortably ignore that there are mostly jihadists now because he bombed the rest with the helping hand of Putler.Assad is an examplen of the disastrous policy of Russian inteverntions that has defined the last 30 years.He needs to go down Ghaddafi style
>>62957054Based sleeper.
>>62957054did he get his cigarettes, though?
>>62949575>>62949632>>62953772Retards like you are why there is no hope for Europe.Merkel opened the borders when it was clear the migrant inflow was about to overwhelm border countries like Greece.Which would have caused a humanitarian and financial crisis big enough to make 2008 look like a cough.Then bottom feeders like yourselves took the bait ate the zigger propaganda hook line and sinker and even now crow about it.
>>62957123Yeah, you can see he's holding one.
>>62957138>Having migrants stressing the border is somehow worse than planting them straight in the heart of the continent You've never won a game of strategy in your life
>>62957138>Which would have caused a humanitarian and financial crisis big enough to make 2008 look like a cough.Why didn't it happen?
>>62957138Or you could just send them back home instead of unilaterally deciding to bypass the legal immigration system by allowing anyone who could make it to stay. Of course, actually changing the laws would have been deeply unpopular and resulted in whoever voted for it having to actually defend the decision in the next election instead of just saying it was out of their hands.
>>62957165>Having 3 million refugees in a country of 10 million thats going trough enourmous economic strain already causing a humanitarian crisis that then rolls over trough the entire region is preferable to spreading the fuckers around a 500 million insanely rich community that can handle them economically without feeling it.I see you've sucked every russian dick you've come across in the past 10 years
>>62957138>Retards like you are why there is no hope for Europe.By killing ziggers you increase hope for Europe.
>>62957187You are the one who keeps bringing up sucking dick
>>62957187Greece could just send them back>inb4 they're too poor to do thisHelp them with the deportations then
What is he thinking right now?
post you're prediction's
>>62957251Assad counter attack with russian help and takes everything back with some more.
>>62957107>Assad genocided his own people to hold on to power.It's a bit ironic that the same city his forces are trying to rally around now is the same one his father enacted a wholesale slaughter of in order to suppress the last islamist uprising 40 years ago.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Hama_massacre
>>62956698The fuck are the kurds doing anyways, I get that the turks are a threat and HTS is somewhat tied with the turks but surely it'd have been preferable to sit tight instead of trying to muscle into aleppo especially with the actual overtly turk backed militias right on HTS' heels.
>>62957283there's kurdish areas in aleppo that they've controlled for many years
>>62949085What the hell is a C3?
>>62957251I think the offensive will steam out on the hama axis but that they will continue to take territory in the idlib and aleppo governants.Regime will continue handing over territory to SDF to try to gather forces.russain airstrikes will continue but no significant amounts of troops will be sent. maybe a few battalions.who knows what iran will do.
>>62957304Yeah, but they were muscling into the areas the SAA was leaving, and they know they can't hold them, were it only HTS maybe there would've been some kind of deal, but SNA is directly under Ankara. they've already been withdrawing from a lot of the areas they walked into anyways, it just feels like wasted effort when they really should be prepping for the fact that they're gonna be in direct contact with SNA across a wide frontage.
>>62957251Iunno if the SDF is gonna move like that, their border with SNA is likely gonna be way higher up on the priority list
>>62957251is it true a majority of the people within the current borders currently live within the green and yellow land because even Jihadis and Kurdish commies are preferable to Baathism?
>>62957331>Yeah, but they were muscling into the areas the SAA was leaving, and they know they can't hold them, were it only HTS maybe there would've been some kind of deal, but SNA is directly under Ankara. they've already been withdrawing from a lot of the areas they walked into anyways, it just feels like wasted effort when they really should be prepping for the fact that they're gonna be in direct contact with SNA across a wide frontage.the SAA handed it over to them lol. they needed to hold that territory or else they couldn't defend sheik mansour. of course they ended up not being able to defend it anyways but it would have been impossible without that.
>>62949002Zigger general in charge of Syria just got fired. Same general who also lost Kharkiv interestingly. Do muscovites ship this guy around to wherever they expect a loss so nobody important has to suffer?
>>62957386Seems more like they kept trying to move him to quiet places where he couldn't do any damage but it didn't work out how they intended
>>62957187>Singlehandedly creates a toxic incentive for uncontrolled and uncontrollable immigration by being laxist and nonsensical in your policies>Millions show up at the border>Rampant criminal abuse and extortion>Absolute monstrosity of a mess where 40yo Africans have papers saying they're 14yo Syrian because your complete lack of respect for proper procedures have created an incentive for every economic migrant or non qualified candidate ever to embark anyway>Giant humanitarian crisis ensues>Double down on your nonsense because you're either a neo-liberal globhomo or a regular liberal globhomo with a white savior complex>Make the situation even worse and now perennial while murderfucking your already weakening democracies and downright catastrophic demography>"But I've read on lefty/pol/ that it's all a Russian psyhop so it's good SLAVAUKRAINE"Sure let's not have working borders every time there's a migrant crisis which is now all the time because we decided to not have working borders when there's one. What could go wrong.
>>62955593bitch made
>>62957367That's a damn good question and would have really important strategic consequences. Baathism sounds like a Orwellian/Kafkaesque prison that's impossible to imagine unless you live in it with people being arrested for any arbitrary reason and disappeared. I'd throw in with the Kurds personally, but even converting to Islam doesn't sound too horrible in comparison.https://youtu.be/QGRdY9aGdWE
'Member when some /k/ucks here thought that Assad was going to get Gaddafied?I 'member!Too bad that Basedsad managed to survive and will continue to survive and still continue to rule over his country from a safe place now because he's smarter than Tonald Dump, lol!Kek, eat shit and live, CikeIA!
>629577360/10
>>62957801>doesn't refute and indirectly replies like some scared little girlAre you a woman or a tranny?Also:Can't Mossad Basedsad!B)
>>62949358Stop acting like Assad has any power over actions outside of his palace. It wouldn't surprising if he already fled the country. Assad here, Assad there, that guy is nothing but a shit-stain in his own puddle.
Has Iran not suffered enough already?
>>62949325because Assad losing means all the Christians in Syria die and Europe will be flooded with radical muslims.
>>62949330That's what vatniggers always say about Putin and it's never true.
>>62958286im from berlin oblast and i agree, this is very concerning
>>62950913>tell me what it looks likenot Russian/10
>>62957138There wouldn't be a migrant crisis if it weren't for putin
>>62950913Looks like a TZD enjoyer
>>62957736majority of those people are still alive?
>>62957326Command Control & CommunicationsCC&CC3
>>62957326https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40yG16g35Gk
>>62958043Its the middle east, the capacity for suffering is an infinite growth market
>>62958043Of course not kek
>>62957497Even if his theory was true, it would just mean Europe is led by criminally incompetent retards who can be manipulated by snow Nigeria
>>62957251Whats the situation like in Banan?
>>62950913So they killed a drone operator?
>>62957701well i don't see you joiningwhat you waiting for though guy? lol
>>62958396to a third worlder you only lose power when you die, so if someone gives it up or is removed it is basically like they died in their mind.
>>62951279which one? they already fled from several kek
>>62952918Japan has one of the highest rates of consanguineous breeding in the world and yet they seem fine.
>>62959178maybe they got lucky and the founding stock did not have that many bad recessive geneson the other hand they are into some weird shit
>>62952993>What would probably be best would be for the SDF areas to become part of Kurdistan, which would become independent from Iraq while Turkey takes over the rest and sets up a state. That seems like a fair trade, and to be honest emigration could help resolve Turkey's Kurd issues.The more I see braindead Western takes like this where it's clear that the author has no goddamn clue about anything in the region the more I understand how French and British rule over the Middle-East ended up fucking things up so badly. Newsflash - separatist Kurds don't want to emigrate from Turkey, they literally want to carve half of Turkey up for "Greater Kurdistan". The last thing Turkey would want is a state on its border led by Kurdish separatists who still try to propagandize Turkish Kurds to start committing terrorist attacks. Turks already tried playing nice with PKK once back in 2015 and ended up in a low-level civil war for about 2 years because of it.
>>62959178Source on that? Best i can find is from like 1949. Their cosang marriage rate is like 1.4-3.9%.
>>62958286The Christians in Aleppo literally refused to fight the rebels for Assad though.
Oh boy more dead muslims my lucky day
>>62958286I don't know about the Christians but the Alawites are turbofucked at this point if the regime falls, they've always been viewed as weird heretics and the Assad regimes have basically made them the face of the regime.
>>62959131retard post
>>62959208>its le kurds faultkys
>>62959394it's non-credible to think that Kurds would migrate from Turkey to Syria and Iraq
>>62959208turks create their own problems and then bomb children to try and fix them.
>>62959178No they don't.
>>62957251I doubt SDF will move like that unless green men show up in force a stone's throw away from Damascus. Looks like the initial blitz has stopped.
>>62959898Seems like the SDF is far more occupied with trying to prevent a massacre of kurds by the SNA than anything else right now
>>62959394>has no responsekys faggot
>>62953215>Supporting democracy often means you have weaker convictionsask the japanese about how weak our conviction is lol
>>62958043They couldn't use the A-10s in Ukraine so they had to take them out for a spin in Syria.
>>62956675>HTS doesn't believe in global jihad, only localized jihad.So in other words, they are jihadist. Thanks.
>>62960068>ask the japanese about how weak our conviction is lolBad example.America went from "Kill all the Japs" to "Just the brass" to "Okay, just disarm them and kill only a token handful" to "No, stop being disarmed! We need you to fight in Korea!" to "Make our stuff" to "No, stop being good at making stuff" to "We have to stop the Japs from cultural dominance" to "Our zoomers obsess over your culture and we are okay with it."That's not conviction.
>>62960113Sure is a lot of words being written to avoid writing about how we made made not one, but two of the world's most powerful weapon ever devised(with help from Brits but still) and then not only used them both - but had the production lines spinning up whilst threatening to continue using them, and before that - we printed out millions of purple hearts in anticipation for fighting up and down the entire home islands losing millions of our men in the process. But nah man we have no conviction lol.
>>62960165Uh huh. And what happened after that?
>>62952614This is why we're switching to drone warfare. You can have pilots in different timezones taking shifts for comfy 9-5 desk warfare.
>>62949109Why fight when you can retreat, bomb the place and come back when everyone is dead
>>62950000It's just the beginning. Though Kherson has proved that cities can withstand daily bombing for years.
>>62960068I was talking about civil wars mostlyDefending against foreign powers is a different matter, since it involves self preservation and nationalism
>>62960178We took them over and made them our permanent vassal state. Nothing personnel, kid.
>>62950913>those eyes and movementscaptagon is a hell of a drug
>>62960178see >>62960700and again>america is willing to openly atom-genocide japan in indiscriminate nuclear bombings, after being willing to blanket it in fire bombs>all because we wont accept memomito and his conditions for surrender >enforce our will upon them with 2 artificial suns >"no conviction lol"
>>62961309>>all because we wont accept memomito and his conditions for surrenderWe should have accepted the surrender and then did it anyway lol. Nobody would even have been mad
>>62953215>Supporting democracy often means you have weaker convictions and would rather talk it out than use violencewhy would that be?
KURD HAPPENING
>>62954026Mlknio? Never heard of him
>>62952704oh shit. 2 tanks and 2 IFV. it's on motherfuckers!
>>62957138>migrant inflow was about to overwhelm border countries like Greece.Would be easily dealth it they were treated as invaders, rightfully so and shot on sight.
>>62961767Huh. I genuinely thought they wouldn't do shit. Guess it's a free for all after all
>>62957251if hama holds I'd say it'd be roughly like this map albeit with the rebels checked north of the cityif it falls homs will almost certainly be under siege (that whole middle area between the two cities had a lot of anti-assad sympathy) and if homs falls assad is plum fucked imo
>>62961764Instead of arresting or executing people you disagree with, you let them run in the electionsAnd if they get more votes you peacefully hand over powerIt's the opposite of the mindset you have in a civil war (where you need to kill your own countrymen over your beliefs)It's why the ''moderate rebels'' barely exist (unless they are motivated by nationalism and democracy is just a mean to achieve their greater goal)
>>62961309>"no conviction lol"Again i was not talking about America You are arguing with other anons nowI even mentioned America as a sucessful example held together by patriotism>>62953300
>>62957264>"Steiners counterrattack will save us!"
>russia abandoned a base and all the equipment in it
>>62964946Again? Isn't that the fifth time this week?
