Even if it seems immensely unlikely, is there really any way to survive it? Even if the outcome is generous, it seems impossible for the human race to survive with the way even natural conditions got alterred.
Unless if we are talking about a full nuclear exchange with strategic weapons civilization as you know it will survive. Even if everyone went balls deep and launched all strategic weapons it's not like all of humanity would die off. Ironically enough the best place to be would be like South America because it's not Africa and nobody really has a vested interest in nuking the shit out of Colombia and whatnot.
>>62950238Who makes tanks and jets in big cities anymore? Pop culture nuclear ww3 is based on obsolete ww2 bombing doctrine.
>>62950251Even if nuking wouldn't kill off the entire population if you destroy a couple of large or medium sized cities with nukes the effects will still be pretty massive. Imagine what will happen when you get simultaneous wildfires, all of the hospitals near the affected hospitals are at at 3000% of capacity, all ISP's fail simultaneously, all local emergency services fail simultaneously, clean water supply is severely disrupted and electricity is cut off from a massive amount of people. All of those issues wouldn't be absolutely paralyzing on their own but when they all happen at the same time you are pretty fucked unless if you live alone out in the woods in a cabin with food for a year or more and even that scenario is just a limited nuclear strike.
Natural conditions are already altered. Nuclear war might just tip the scales the other way. Third world depopulation won't hurt either.
I'm tired of these blatant nook fearmongering threads.
Humans have been around for 100,000 years. We have survived two ice ages, numerous cataclysmic volcanic eruptions, countless earth quakes, floods, tsunamis, plagues, and nobody-will-ever-know what else. We're still here.There will always be a few thousand survivors somewhere, and that's all we need.
>>62950275It is obviously fearmongering.But, man. I sure as fuck hope I manage to live a life without nuclear weapons being deployed on civilian targets.
>>62950275I am aware that Russia is likely going to do fuck all.
>>62950285>But, man. I sure as fuck hope I manage to live a life without nuclear weapons being deployed on civilian targets.Don't worry anon, I can assure you that won't happen during your lifetime.
>>62950238>Australia and Africa become the new global superpowers >Scattered remnants of Europe, Asia and Americas forced to comply with the Bruce Dynasty and sent on slave ships to Africa
It depends by what you mean when you say 'nuclear war'; despite what pop culture may have you believe, the majority of scenarios aren't going to be massive exchanges and even in the ones that are, the enemy probably won't be wasting warheads on a mass dehousing campaign.Anyway, realistically the best easy things you can do now outside of a real scare:Have a decent store of non-perishable ready to eat food than can last a few weeks, because it might be hard to get this in the leadup to a large exchange.Access to some large containers that you can use to store fresh water, you would fill these up in the days before or during attacks as well as your bathtub etc, to prepare for water cut-off.Getting contacts within your local community, much better to have these already established than be forced to start from scratch in the months and years after a nuclear attack.Before or during attacks, you would make a shelter within your place of residence and stay put there for as long as reasonably possible (at least a couple weeks) to avoid the worst fallout, however it's likely the government would advise people on this in the run-up to an attack.There is a lot of other preppy stuff you could do, but I think this is the most important stuff.
>>62950307But anon, I got like 80 years left.
>>62950329Remember my words at the end and ask yourself>was it really necessary to live 80 years in fear?
>>62950318Australia will be a chink colony in any WW3 scenario.I suggest you google PLA General Chi Haotian's speech: "War is Coming and it Will be the Midwife of the Chinese Century", their plan is to colonize low-populated agricultural regions like Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Canada and the United States if they manage to depopulate it.
>>62950343China will be a radioactive glass mine in a nuclear exchange. The bug people who remain will return to the Earth, living in nests below the ground.
>>62950351There's 1.4 billion of them. Enough would survive.
>>62950351There are a lot of highly hardened underground facilities in China, they have been tunneling since the 1950s over there.What this probably means is that there would be a lot of surface bursts in a large scale exchange with China to 'excavate' those facilities, making quite a lot of fallout.
>>62950367Yes they've been digging hard in preparation for nuclear war, it's called the Great Underground Wall of China, a network of tunnels and underground bunkers spanning the whole country.COVID and the possibility to use bioweapons has also been mentioned in speech.
>>62950238very easy. just dont be in a city, large town or near an airbase or otherwise strategic target. basically only city folk are in danger, rural folks might not even see a single explosion. and all the third world and neutral countries will stay completely intact.
>>62950388>third world and neutral countries will stay completely intact.>food, fuel, medicine supplies dry up overnightThey'll be "intact" but without food (and with that come the three other Horsemen)South America might be fine, though, as always.
>>62950238kys vatnigger
>>62950251Do you really think that, for instance, nuking the 100 most populous US or Chinese cities wouldn’t have a substantial impact on their respective abilities to mobilize for war?
>>62950454no one will nuke wheat fields dude. as i said rural areas will stay intact. and you dont need a lot of people for agriculture. pro tip: the city folks dont work in agriculture.
>>62950531You don't need a lot of people in agriculture because of all of the labour saving things that come from cities.Fertiliser, fuel, electricity mechanisation.Before urbanisation, 95% of the population was working in agriculture and barely scraping by.Hell most of the conflict deaths in the 20th century were starving peasants.
>>62950238>don't get hit>survive the hungry masses>survive the winter>survive the re-establishment of governmentsthere's your steps
>>62950492I'm pretty sure that if you nuked just a handful of major American cities (including Washington DC), the United States would collapse into civil war virtually overnight and destroy itself. Same thing with China except you would only need to really destroy Beijing to get the same result.
>>62950531Look at a map of the nuclear silo fields
>>62951055go to https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ and you will notice that the nuke destruction circles are quite small and definitely not nation endingly big.
>russia starts getting rolled in Syria>immediate nooook thread 'organically' pops upLike clockwork. Lmao
>>62951026>if you nuked just a handful of major American cities>the United States would collapse into civil war virtually overnightHow do you start a civil war when you preemptively nuke one side of it out of existence?
>>62950238First things first, get payback in your local area.
>>62951292>Weapons board is discussing weapons>Not everyone gives a shit about muh vatnigsGUESS IT MUST BE DUH SHILLZ AGAIN!1
>>62950531You don't need to nuke wheat fields, if the cities are gone the entire logistics network will collapse. The first priority would probably be re-establishing local supply lines for the suburbs and exurbs that wouldn't really take a lot of direct damage but don't produce any food. It would take quite a while to re-establish international shipping. Another problem you'd have is the breakdown of the entire financial system. Even if you have the food producers and the trucks to deliver that food everywhere there's nothing stopping the truckers from just taking the food and keeping it, all the complicated systems that keep track of whether they've actually made the delivery are down and money would quickly become worthless. Despite Russia being so rural and spread out(which you'd think would be good for nuclear defence) it might actually come out worse than the US as almost everything in its society relies on Moscow or St Petersburg. Couple that with their culture of lying and theft and everyone that's not self-sufficient is dead and the ones that are actually self-sufficient would have to defend themselves against bandits and thieves.
>>62951391very transparent weapons discussion
>>62951417>Despite Russia being so rural and spread outlmaoglavset started handing their shills crack
>>62951485you are the only one talking about this
>>62951494like what the fuck is this shithow mentally deranged do you have to be to view a post ostensibly shitting on russia as propaganda
>>62951495every "ook nook fear nook everyone's gonna die" thread has been without fail made by shills here
>>62951494I mean it is. It has a lower urbanisation rate than every other developed nation(because Russia isn't actually a developed nation outside of like 5 cities). Like 20% of its population lives in 2 cities, yes, but like 60% lives spread out amongst vast plains of nothing in wooden shacks and mud huts most of which don't have indoor plumbing.
>>62951349I'm assuming that the US would be hit by a First Strike by Russia/China in this scenario. Of course we'd would obliterate them in return but even a glancing blow would have utterly catastrophic consequences for a society that's already in danger of fracturing along ethnic/ideological lines and when public trust in institutions like the Federal government and mainstream media is practically non-existent.
>>62951517Such a weird narrative. They have a similar urbanization rate than Western Europe. The difference is theirs is all focused on the one two cities.
>>62950279>Humans have been around for 100,000 years.more like 300,000 it seems>https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/humans-evolved-100000-years-earlier-we-thought-180963619/also>According to a 1999 model, a severe population bottleneck, or more specifically a full-fledged speciation, occurred among a group of Australopithecina as they transitioned into the species known as Homo erectus two million years ago. It is believed that additional bottlenecks must have occurred since Homo erectus started walking the Earth, but current archaeological, paleontological, and genetic data are inadequate to give much reliable information about such conjectured bottlenecks.[8] Nonetheless, a 2023 genetic analysis discerned such a human ancestor population bottleneck of a possible 100,000 to 1000 individuals "around 930,000 and 813,000 years ago [which] lasted for about 117,000 years and brought human ancestors close to extinction."[9][10]>A 2005 study from Rutgers University theorized that the pre-1492 native populations of the Americas are the descendants of only 70 individuals who crossed the land bridge between Asia and North America.[11]
>>62950351bugs don't give a shit about radiation anon
>>62951534I don't know man, some of the stuff being used during the kung flu was classic Continuity of Government post-CBRN activity, and people kinda loved it. yes, certain people became radicalized or whatever but I think that was more of a response to the wishy-washy local/civil level restrictions than to the federal response.assuming there's much of a US left, I think people would be praying for the .mil to roll into town and start running shit after a nuclear exchange.the USG has been planning for this exact thing for 70 years, you think they'd be unable to execute?
>>62950388>rural folks might not even see a single explosionif you 'see' a single nuclear explosion you're pretty fucked though
>>62950251You know damn well that if russia or china actually decided to launch nukes into mainland US, the situation would already be so dire for them that there's no military victory remaining. Only revenge.
>>62951026>you would only need to really destroy Beijing to get the same resultlol nosome Chinese provinces far away from Beijing are already de facto semi-independant on a lot of issues and you won't see the Chinese population chimp out in times of crisis like it happens in the West
>>62951501Butthurt Belters have Russia Derangement Syndrome. They cheerleader the idea of a war between Globohomo and Gulaghomo without realizing that US strategy revolves around making the rest of NATO absorb most of the first salvo kek
>>62950238Even the peak full-scale exchange doesn’t even vaguely threaten humanity>muh global temperatures>muh radiation>muh social collapseYes, if you toss humanity back to the 1400s, technologically, the carrying capacity of the world looks more like 5 million instead of 10 billion.Unironically a nuclear war/EMP situation would just toss the americas into a situation where you have 500 totally unmanageable warlords controlling everything which is objectively worse for invaders than just a Jewish coup kalergi dystopia.Full scale nuclear war has been scaremongered so hard specifically because it threatens the 1% disproportionately. No one needs an AI that advertises to people based on their porn habits or payday loans when nukes took out the internet. Hollow, human-shaped suits have no usefulness when everyone who remains is homesteading and shooting anyone with a face they don’t already know.
>>62951501>>62952141Hiv rates: Russia: 40.2 HIV diagnoses per 100,000 populationEU: 12.4 HIV diagnoses per 100 000 populationSuicides:Russia: 21.6 suicides per 100.000 peopleEu: 10.2 suicides per 100 000 peopleLife expectancy: Russia: 71.34 yearsEU: 79.09 yearsAlcoholism rates:Russia 16.29%EU 8,4%Divorces:Russia 3.9 divorces per 1,000 peopleEU: 1.7 divorces per 1,000 peoplePPP:Russia: 28057.03 USDEU: $56,970 USDMuslim population: Russia: "Russia has the largest Muslim population in Europe, estimated to be in the range of 20 million projected to grow to 14.4% by 2030"EU: "Estimated 19 million in the EU (3.8%), projected to comprise 8% or 58 million by 2030."Murder rate: Russia: 6.80 per 100kEU: Around 1.2 per 100kMurder rate(2017):Moscow: 6.9 per 100kLondon: 1.5 per 100kDrug induced deathsRussia: 145 per millionEU: 29 per millionBy the way numbers are from prewar era. They will look much worse after this war ends. Which is a good thing. Russians belong in 18th century Mortage rates (Q3 2024): Russia: 28.4% EU: 4.5%
>>62952334okay?
>>62952368hating russia and ziggers is common sense at this point
>>62950531The supply chains that transport the food will be completely and utterly fucked for a very long time as every major port will be a target
>>62950531>you dont need a lot of people for agricultureWithout oil refining or the supply chain to build modern farm equipment, you absolutely fucking do.
>>62950251cities are where most people live
>>62950238Stop worrying and learn to love the bomb.
>>62950238Don't live in a country that is enemies with a nuclear state. Nuclear war is not the end of the world, just the world order.
>>62952334Source?
>>62950238I'm always amazed how stupid everyone is, even or actually especially the fucking "experts".. Where does the material to make the nuclear pits for nuclear bombs come from? Mox (mixed oxide) reactors and all of those power reactors that make up each nations nuclear power industry.. Ok, how much support does each one of those facilities, of which there are hundreds dotted around the world require to keep from going Fukushima? Fuck the reactors, that's bitch shit. I'm asking about nuclear facilities, in particular their spend fuel storage pools. Ever fucking seen those things? Amazing feats of engineering and an amazing effort requires to keep them safely cool and circulating. Fukushima alone nearly wiped out the northern hemisphere of the entire fucking planet. We got lucky and the Japanese gruesomely sacrificed lives of old volunteers to prevent the worst.. Maybe. There's a fucking reason it's hard to get a good scintillation detector today. Now multiply that by hundreds. With less efforts to contain them and luck not always holding. In Fukushima, the iron girders melting and falling into the pools helped greatly. Iron absorbs a lot of fucking radiation and helped reduce the energy available to throw the storage pools critical. So even a limited exchange between nuclear powers would have the same results. Earth will be rendered an anaerobic sterile ice then later mudball. The bodies turned into greasy white statues like the bodies in the Great Lakes wrecks. No bacteria. No fungi. Not at those levels. So keep lying about "nuclear war survivability".. That's as stupid as saying you can survive death. Dead is dead dumbass.
>>62952141>making the rest of NATO absorb most of the first salvoINF treaty was explicitly about the opposite
>>62950238I'm interested to know what I need in a survival kit if I was to survive the city blast.
>>62951534>a society that's already in danger of fracturing along ethnic/ideological linesAgain, how do you initiate a split along those lines by wiping one side of the conflict wholesale?
>>62952412I'm a moderate so I tend to agree. Still, literally nobody in the entire reply chain has stated anything that would be considered pro-Russian by anyone that's not infected with brain worms.
>>62952699>wasAnon... Trump ripped it up. FWIW I am pretty skeptical about the ability of Russian ability to make anything new but the abandonment of the INF treaty does not make Poland and Estonia less of a thermonuclear shock absorber, if anything it does the opposite.
>>62953144Didn't they recently finish the AEGIS ashore installation in Poland? I wish the ziggers would try nuking it, I really do.
Do I need to worry about storing water if my house has a well? Or will the groundwater be contaminated?
>>62953160Yeah. I used to be a CRUDES guy in the distant past. I was on a Flt 1 DDG when we did the BMD overhaul. Desu there's a bit of a bait and switch with BMD, since they never explicitly tell you which kind of ballistic missiles they can stop. I'm quite confident that they can hit a conventional ballistic missile, but a MIRV is a totally different beast. Also, if you are in a nuke fight you aren't going to hold back; Russia vs NATO, however improbable it is, would see 1000+ warheads launched from each side.
>>62953144>Trump ripped it up.russia ripped it up by constantly breaching it. Trump simply recognized it as it was. Especially with chinks not being bound by it US would only lose out by one sidedly upholding it.>make Poland and Estonia less of a thermonuclear shock absorberThis still makes 0 sense. If russians were to use nukes they'd fire at US instead of wasting them on Estonians that they want to murder and enslave anyway. Even if they did fire on Europe they'd aim for large US military bases, ports and command centers, not on the border. This has been the case ever since ICBMs came around but especially after INF removed the europe-only missiles russians had remaining from the times when they couldn't make a working ICBM and were coping with IRBMs instead.This whole thing reads like vatnigger projection about US somehow needing a nuclear buffer zone and exploiting poor wittle euros for their own gain like a colonialist overlord.
>>62953245>Also, if you are in a nuke fight you aren't going to hold back; Russia vs NATO, however improbable it is, would see 1000+ warheads launched from each side.That's why russia won't launch - despite the constant nuclear threats and brinkmanship they don't want their own destruction and would fold if pushed against even a bit instead of bursting into fearful tears about the apocalypse like everyone in the west has been doing for the last 40 years. A simple reminder of the complete and overwhelming US strategic advantage in a nuclear war would make even the most frothing russoids squeal like bitches.
>>62953324>This still makes 0 sense. If russians were to use nukes they'd fire at US instead of wasting them on Estonians that they want to murder and enslave anyway. Even if they did fire on Europe they'd aim for large US military bases, ports and command centers, not on the border. This has been the case ever since ICBMs came around but especially after INF removed the europe-only missiles russians had remaining from the times when they couldn't make a working ICBM and were coping with IRBMs instead.The only scenario where Russia launches nukes is one where they're doing it out of sheer spite. They know their entire country is getting destroyed by nuclear hellfire in return and they just want to take someone down with them. So there's literally no reason to go for a counterforce strike and their countervalue abilities on the US might not be that great(who knows how many of their ICBMs still work).
>>62953339I love how you tried to cover for the retarded post that anon made. Like a big brother correcting lil bro's homework. It was real cute.
>>62953339Yes, i was mostly referencing their cold war nuke targets back when they had ambitions of nuking everyone and walking in without being nuked back. Nowadays the only reason for them to do that is simply post-soviet inertia, similar to them striking the locations where military installations used to be decades ago during soviet times in Ukraine. If there's a supermarket or a hardware warehouse in there now their high command don't bother thinking about that, if at all.
>>62953346I love how you're seething around like a little bitch because your vatnigger drivel got blown out so now you're prancing around like a passive aggressive woman.
>>62950238Depends on the severity
>>62953362lol I'm not the fucking vatnigger you were arguing with. You are still retarded as fuck. Just be glad the other anon made a better argument for (You).
>>62953324>This has been the case ever since ICBMs cameSoviet nuclear war scenarios specifically nuked pretty much everyone in Europe besides the UK/France (and the US) the idea is that nuclear powers wouldn't sacrifice themselves for meaningless European countries.
>>62953368lmao, you're such a little bitch you have to samefag nowi bet the stinkiest brownest smallest dicked pajeet has bigger balls than you, and probably higher IQ too.
>>62953333Fuck your digits, waste of numbers on one of the stupidest posts to ever disgrace the whole damned internet. The Russians see it as an existential threat. They'd rather see human extinction that bitch faggots like you enslaving humanity.. Which means they're not fucking faggots like you or your bitch punk cuck whore bosses you cum gargling bitch boy. At least if this goes nuclear, I know you'll die screeching and crying like the fuck you are.. I'll be laughing as the Glenmorainge and fentanyl goes screaming across my blood brain barrier and I hold my loving but equally numb family as we face the massive military installation 12 miles from our property. No doubt the Russkies have some 1 megaton plus warheads aimed there and it will be instant. My toddler is more of a man than you. That's why I know the Russians ain't bluffing you dumb cunt.
>>62953324"Muh enslavement"More Western Rhetoric. You fucking moron, you understand what NATO article 5 is, right? Plus, Why would they enslave Estonians when they already have tons of labor, or is it because Russia is mean for no reason.
>>62953374>sees russia=weak post>aaaaah gay sex!!!
>>62953374I refuse to believe this isn't a bait post.
>>62953374>"Muh enslavement">More Western Rhetoric. You fucking moron, you understand what NATO article 5 is, right? Plus, Why would they enslave Estonians when they already have tons of labor, or is it because Russia is mean for no reason.This is a genuinely good argument if you weren't spamming curse words like some Eastern European immigrant middle school student trying to fit in
You Ukie and NAFO faggot shills are beyond fucking stupid. Either in nuclear fire or the collapse of the globalist corporatist empire, your fucking faggots paradise clown world is coming to an end. No matter what you bitches do, you will lose. And that immutable and unavoidable fact makes this all absolutely worth it.
>>62953395I fucked up, sorry
>>62953396Laying it too thick there bud.
>>62953389I refuse to believe you are anything but a bitch faggot errand boy shill who doesn't know his asshole from a hole in the ground.
>>62953395He's rightfully enraged. These stupid fuckers are fucking with things they absolutely do not understand. That's how you get a Great Filter to the Fermi Paradox.
>>62953373Not samefagging bitch. You are gonna have to find a better way to cope with being retarded. I hear there are workshops for those with special needs.
>>62953403>talk about assholes out of nowhereNow this is more believable performance.
>>62953414I deal with satanically braindead people and i don't curse every 5 seconds. i still agree, though
>>62953414>more samefagging
>>62953402I'm just laying it down like it is. I'm not here to make friends with fuckheads too stupid to realize the brutal truths. I'm fine with it ending. Better that than these faggots running anything anymore. Enough. E-fucking-nuff.
>>62953428You fuckers talking up fucking around to find out are the samefags running off of a talking points sheet paid for by bitch boy Alex Soros. We're sounding about the same because the truth is immutable and anyone who knows it is righteously enfuckingraged at you stupid insufferable retarded cucks.
>>62953456Don't use me for your retarded Alex Jones conspiracy theories vatnig subhuman. I called him retarded because he doesn't know shit about nuclear game theory. If you even read how those war plans would go down you know Europe would get nuked to shit, and to pretend otherwise is cope.Doesn't mean I agree with you subhumans, you won't do shit because you are pussies and at least over half of your shit does not work.
>>62952507they are also not where nuclear silos and factories are
>>62953484Mutually Assured Destruction. Full stop you inbred retarded bitch boy faggot. I'm literally within eyesight of Ft. Hood (I'm not using that stupid new cucked wetback name). I'm retired U.S. Army you fucking mongoloid derptarded moron. Grew up in the latter part of the Cold War fully understanding the brutal truth of what is on the fucking table. You're the ignorant cuck that can't see the fucking obvious nature of nuclear war reality and theory.
>>62953579>unironic Burger Mc Eagleovich postingPathetic, lmao. There's nothing assured about mutual destruction either and never has been.
>>62953579︻デ一(I had to mention le incident)
>>62950238i read the fema document on the response to a nuclear attack on an american city and my main takeaways for maximizing survival were1. Live as far away from a military base as you can, preferably, more accurate weapons mean that your entire city might not be obliterated even if the military base is gone2. don't leave your house or try to evacuate anywhere, if you get notice of a nuclear strike focus on filling every container you have with water and shutting off all forms of ventilation. there are 6 levels of building protection, the best being concrete large buildings with interior rooms.3. if you have to evacuate, do not try to take your car, the roads will immediately be jammed. go on foot, gather as much supplies as you can, bring duct tape, long sleeve clothes and a respirator (n95 works) and whatever water and shelf stable food you can take. set a timer for around 15 minutes and sprint as hard as you can in the exact opposite direction of any nearby bases. you want to cover at least 2 miles from any base. 4. you'll only have around 20 minutes of warning for an attack via icbm. so plan accordingly, learn how much time things take you5. right before the blast, get into an interior room with no windows and go into a fetal position, if you have a table in that room get under it. modern buildings standards are able to take the shockwave if you're far away enough from the center of the detonation.6. after the attack, do NOT leave wherever you're sheltered. use duct tape and seal every door window, etc, you dont want any of. the fallout getting in.7. wait for at least a week before exiting the place you're sheltered in, and while doing that wear a respirator, long sleeve clothes (something with a hood works best) and gloves. use duct tape to seal any gaps between your clothes, shoes and respirator. these clothes and respirator should be ditched immediately after use, cleaning will just make you inhale radioactive particles.
>>629502381) Don't live right next to a strategic target, and preferably don't live within a hundred miles downwind of one.2) Don't live in a city; preferably live in a rural community that isn't easily reached from a large city and develop close ties to your neighbors.3) Have lots of preps and useful knowledge, and a plan to work with said neighbors. Have short-term and long-term plans.4) Nuclear fireballs are therefore not a concern. The only thing the nukes can do to you is with fallout from groundbursts (against silos, sub bases, and hardened targets like bunkers and certain comms relays). For that, seal up your doors and windows with industrial plastic and duck tape; this will protect you from alpha/beta emitters, which can only kill you if you inhale/swallow them. For the less-common but more-dangerous gamma, you can build a "pillow fort" in your basement (or even just in the middle of your living room). Monitor fallout via emergency communications (if still up); plan to stay inside the pillow fort for 2+ days, and inside your house for 2+ weeks (see: Rule of 7s).5. Now comes the hard part. There's no telling how badly damaged the country is, or how much damage the survivors will inflict upon each other due to fear, panic, and supply chain damage. You'll have to figure out how to get by as best you can (which is where the prepping, skills, and especially the neighbors/local community are crucial).
>>62953579Ft. Hood is not a strategic target. A nuclear war isn't going to wait 3-4 weeks for 1CAV to deploy overseas, which means it's fairly irrelevant. Per OPpie, the only two strategic targets in TX are the FEMA regional HQ in Denton and an AT&T facility in downtown Dallas, both of which are capable of relaying strategic communications (e.g., launch codes).. Dyess will join them once the nuclear-capable B-21 is stationed there.
>>62953739even then, I doubt those would be targets of priority you would want to hit immediately, maybe ATT dallas, but it seems like a poor allocation of warheads to me.good call on dyess though
A true global nuclear war would black out the sky for decades due to smoke. 95% of all plant and animal life would die. The planet would go through a mini ice age. The only way to survive would be having an advanced bunker system deep within the earth, and that would run out of resources after a few years at most.
>>62953579>I'm retired U.S. ArmyLeave the board. It's nothing but kids and mentally ill.
>>62953788It would be to slow down the US response and delay a launch while a counter-force attack tries to take out warheads. Same reason Tinker and Offut would get absolutely blasted.>>62953963Are you memeing, or have you played too much Fallout?
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>>62954206Also samefagging shills.
>>62954235>It would be to slow down the US response and delay a launch while a counter-force attack tries to take out warheads.This has never been feasible for russia, even during their heyday, let alone now. Not only does this do nothing against SSBNs but US has had a multi layered early warning network that would alert them of any incoming attack with a lot of time to spare for planning a response.US early warning radars located in Europe have probably been a more important part of the strategic command there than the nuclear bombers and bomb warehouses located there.
>>62954459Are you that guy calling everyone with a different opinion a samefag?
>>62954473Also here's a fun fact: Minuteman missiles have been called that way exactly because they take less than 60 seconds from launch order to takeoff, which was much, much quicker than earlier missiles. This was meant to work in conjunction with the new BEWMS early warning system that also went online around that time.Fyi, no russian missile had achieved similar readiness rate until the 1980s.
>>62954509Are you that guy that cheers to his own posts to cope with his life?
>>62954473I think anons point is more that the destruction of that ATT node would delay the actual transmission of launch orders etc, as with it being gone, those comms would move to contingency channels.of course under basically any reasonable scenario, those contingencies are already airborne or otherwise operating and the orders are being transmitted everywhere at the same time, but i get his point.regardless, I think the only reasonable nuclear weapon event in current year with current events is some kind of tactical weapon in mainland europe, with potential response and escalation.I seriously doubt the russians, chinese, or norks are stupid enough to shoot at the US mainland.
>>62954610Yes, to destroy the node you need to launch the missile at it which then gets detected and the alarm gets sent through the node before the missile hits, rendering the whole situation moot.There was once a worry that minuteman control centers, basically bunkers that house personnel and targeting equipment, which numbered iirc one per 3 or 9 missile silos, were vulnerable targets that could if taken out render their respective silos inoperable. Of course this was highly secret and those bunkers were as hardened as the silos themselves but the worry was large enough amidst the extreme US overestimations of russian capability that they developed a plane that could issue the same launch orders remotely by flying overhead in case the command center is destroyed.
>>62950249In case of an exchange fallout, soothe and climate effects would be worst closer to the equator.
>>62954596You're calling me a samefag, a shill and even a vatnig without any proof, just for pointing out the shit state of k being full of belligerent schizos like you.
>>62954638>without any proofyour samefagging shillposts are all the proof i need and your tourist whining doesn't help your case at all
I live near Oak Ridge, Tennessee. If nukes fly I'm dead. Instantly dead. Probably won't even know nukes are flying before I'm fucking vaporized.
>>62954662nah anon, ORNL is important but not first salvo important. you'd survive for a little while
>>62954664Thats worse. Im basically guaranteed to die but I get to be aware of it before it happens.
>>62954669yeah, but its like the week between christmas and new years. just ball out
>>62954672The end of the world parties would go hard
>>62954657That's an irrelevant post of a vatnig on pol from almost 2 years ago and your text is pure fantasy.>doesn't help your case at allIf this was a court case you'll be taken to the psych ward in a straitjacket lol
>>62954686>your text is pure fantasythe fantasy makes you cope and seethe like nothing else though. so much so that curious totally-not-yours comments in your posting style with the same shill script appear.
>>62954691>the fantasy makes you cope and seethe like nothing else though.>"i was only pretending to be retarded!"lmao Only when I exposed how you're totally unable to back up your paranoid schizophrenic accusations you start that shit.
>a retard starts calling anons russians for no reason whatsoeverkek why are you people like this?
>>62954793>claims he is wrongly called>proceeds to post an image that proves otherwise
>>62954814I am not the person that you cried is russian, thoughever.
>>62954823I know it doesn't feel like it cause Ukraine has turned them all into craters, but there's more than 1 Russian in the world
>>62954823and I am not the person you cried is calling everyone russian
>>62953602>There's nothing assured about mutual destruction either and never has been. Eyup. It's just that everybody found it more convenient to pretend that way, especially the Soviets (who were always on the backfoot). Plus a sizable mixture of peacenik scientists, useful idiots, and constant aghitprop. Until Reagan went "lol, lmao" and hit the gas on expanding the military, which caused the Soviets to shid&fard themselves into collapse (due to existing severe budget overstretch).
>>62954630so then it's southern argentina or chile, those places are pretty far from the equator
>>62950355Yes I'm sure a post-nuclear annihilation China would be completely stable and not collapse into civil war at all, after all their history is one of unity and restraint
>>62950238Certified potential nuclear ash here(I live in Kyiv)You don't need to do much. Get away from population centers and any strategic targets(or places where such targets existed in the 80s),or, if your local metro system is double-purpose like here in Ukraine, just get to any station that's ≥10m deep. That's it. When it's over, you can work construction during the rebuild and get paid boomer money
Not be an urban faggot.
>>62954657Based Pole telling them to fuck off back home. Fuck the Poles too, but at least they resist globohomo immigration.
>>62950355They would eat each other.
>>62950367So we nuke 3 Gorges and the ice caps and drown them.
>>62955311>Pole >Ziggerstan flag Lol, lmao.
>>62953963nukes dont throw up enough dust into the stratosphere to cause such a nuclear winter event and fallout is globally distributed to the point where you would have slightly higher cancer rates but nothing else. you can visit the nuclear test sites in america and walk straight through them, barely any radiation on the ground even though they were basically ground burst nukes, being placed on small towers and the nuclear fireball touching the ground.
>>62952646>Fukushima alone nearly wiped out the northern hemisphere of the entire fucking planet.
>>62952711potassium iodide
>>62950531>Cleetus McBumfuck realizes too late that you cant really subsist on 100 acres of alfalfa grown solely for feedstock or whatever other McMonsanto McMonoculture(tm) crop that was cultivated solely for export to markets that are now glowing craters>Total collapse of supply of electricity for irrigation, fertilizers, diesel for farm equipmentOk bud, sure
>>62953435just kys and spare us the drama, fag
>>62951354BASED
>>62953579fake and gay
>>62951292You are stage IV cancer.Ukraine has spoiled us with combat footage of the likes we could never dream.It also cursed us with faggots like you.
>>62950454Most of the Western countries colored yellow only import food because they grow cash crops or export their produce instead.
>>62956017yeah, didnt you notice? you are a ghost.
>>62956061>He cannot into solar>He cannot hunt, fish and forageLaughing at your life, urbanite. If shit ever does pop off my buddies and I will be picking you off as you try to escape cannibal nogs. I'll shoot your kid in the face first.
>>62956098Pretty sure that's how it works in the entire world buddy.
>>62956116>Everyone just uses tons of fuel to ship food to each other, while making themselves dependent on each other in the event one failsGlobalism was a mistake.
>>62956061>irrigation, fertilizers, diesel for farm equipmentall of that is produced in places outside of usa, europe and russia. brazil alone could supply all of that for the remnants of the usa and the arabs will continue to deliver oil and gas. if china is gone too, it would mean you even get a huge oversupply of oil and most industrial commodities because china and europe are the biggest importers of that stuff. most powerplants arent directly in the cities either so electricity, internet etc. will be quickly reeastablished.a problem could occur though if the nuclear exchange isnt limited to 3 strikes and both sides continue for years to nuke each other every month. then you have a problem.
>>62956061>McMonsantoYou bring up an interesting point there. You have to buy new seed from them, the grain it makes will not germinate therefore your farm will become a desert in a few cycles.
>>62950454>CAN and AUS net exporters>Their citizens constantly bitch online about food pricesHmmm
>>62956116Most of it, yes.Problem is that most of the seeds they use come from the West as well.
>>62956120What you call globalism exists since the 19th century, in fact before WWII not a single European country except France was self-sufficient in food, they were all net importers. The "evil globalist EU" has poured a lot of money on farmers and piled on the subsidies which is the only reason some Euro countries are self-sufficient now.
>>62956131How much do you think they spend a year trying to kill the Svalbard Global Seed Vault?
>>62956144Fugg>>62956125>>62956137>These nations cannot feed their own current population>This is good>Plus we should feed turdies who then overpopulate and come hereIs it not odd that the common message a decade or two ago was>GLOBAL OVERPOPULATION!!!And now it is>WE NEED TO IMPORT WORKERS!!!
>>62956137>some Euro countries are self-sufficient now.which ones?
>>62956172According to the map, Denmark, Finland, France and most of the Eastern Europe. I thought the Netherlands was too but apparently not.
>>62956157I was talking about the world food export markets, nothing to do with refugees.
>>62956137>The "evil globalist EU" has poured a lot of money on farmersthe EU farming subsidies are welfare for farmers. they only exist because the european farmer lobbies are extremely powerful and the farmers are organized in cartel like structures. the subsidies are largely independent of actual production and are based on farm size. they are specifically designed to not interfer with food prices.the EU has only half the farmland the USA have, but 5x times as many farmers, so basically per achre, the EU has 10 times as many farmers as the USA. this is extremely inefficient and not economically viable. in order to not have to do anything the farmers have succesfully lobbyied for EU gibsmedats to stay as inefficient and expensive as possible to the detriment of the european taxpayer.
>>62956107Cute LARP, faggot
>>62956196yes, because giving up their lands for megacorps and becoming city cattle would be so much better
>>62956121>Implying the ME wouldnt get glassed in a global thermonuclar warAs four South America they would prioritize themselves first and foremost; its not like a nuked-to-shit US would have much to barter with, nor a means of transporting precious fuel and resources thousands of miles
>>62956179>>62950454the map doesnt say that at all. if you import a lot of grain and livestockfeed and then use it to produce a lot of food you may be a big food producer but youre not self sufficient because without grain imports and feed imports you will not produce any food.for food production labor and energy costs are more important than grain fields. because food production is basically just processing agricultural commodities.you also need fertilizer for the fields and fuel for the machines and europe basically doesnt produce that on its own.
>>62956125Farms in places like Cali will return to the desert, and the Midwest will become grassland again
>>62950319i just wanted to say as a long time (8 month) lurker with no posting, i wanted to break my streak to tell you how much I appreciate a well crafted reaction image like this. it perfectly fits the situation. thank you.
>>62956247>nuked-to-shit US would have much to barter withall the natural resources and all the land is still there and untouched and it would have a lot of urban land for sale now and a huge workers shortage so the ruling elites would invite immigrants to repopulate the land.
>>62954814That's a tankie. Chances are it's at a Queers for Palestine rally
>>62956327also the rebuliding effort would cost a lot of money which means commodity exporters would line up to supply all that stuff. it would be a huge boost for the economy for decades.
>>62956336theres text that hes holding, read it retard
>live far away from nuke targets>proceed to survive the same way you'd survive any societal collapse
>>62956196You shouldn't allow outside forces to dictate your domestic food production bud.God you euros are going to starve when the next big war kicks off, fuck man how could you be so short sighted?
>>62956367Some People on the Very far left support Russia because America bad and Russia Support PalestinePlus, why ignore the massive amounts of Leftists that worship Ukraine like a deity so you can hyperfixate on the ultra-left Z-lgbt people?
>>62956390>societal collapsewhat makes you think the surviving republican and democrat politicians, the rich people and the generals wont just continue the state in largely the same way as before? i think there is a high chance the president and most of the government wil survive the nuclear strike. you will just hear the president speaking on tv to the nation about how america got nuked and will now unleash hell on its enemies. people will call for the state to help them and every governor will be in the streets with a camera team behind showing how he cares about his people. people will be unified like never before and accept more government control than ever before. patriot act 2.0
>>62956461They're Eurofags. They even outsource their DEFENSE to other countries. They're complete freeloaders. Hopefully when Trump takes office they'll Arm up and defend themselves rather than rely on others like they always do
>>62956476It's not going to be just one nuclear attack. MAD doctrine means that Nuclear arsenals will be dumped and there will be nothing left if there was a nuclear war.
>>62956461tell that to the people here, they love to suck the farmer cock. they think its a boon when the average farmer has 60 pigs and 39 achres of land and 70% of his income is EU subsidies. should the subsidies every dry up we are left with a fuckton of farms that cant survive on the free market.apart from that the EU doesnt have enough agricultural land to sustain its own population even if it tried. as far as i know only france and russia, ukraine can potentially be truly self sufficient in not just food but also agricultural commodity production. countries like germany must either import or die.
>>62956471>Plus, why ignore the massive amounts of Leftists that worship Ukraine like a deity so you can hyperfixate on the ultra-left Z-lgbt people?are you blind
>>62956489>MAD doctrine means that Nuclear arsenals will be dumpednobodies nuclear arsenal is large enough to wipe out every single american or russian. america and russia are HUUGE countries. people on the countryside, in villages up to small towns will be left untouched even if the entire arsenal is expended. everyone in the woods or in bumfucknowhere wont even notice something has happened until they turn their tv on. or do you think the russian have a nuke for every 6000 inhabitants town. they would run out of delivery vehicles for the nukes long before that.
>>62956533You know about "Nuclear winter", do you?
>>62956503Nobody can survive on the free market when china and russia and co can pay their people peanuts to farm. The free market should have ZERO bearing on your domestic production.You are going to die anon.
>>62956507Again, those are people way over on the left. There's always going to be people who believe the MSM rhetoric on how Russia is literally muh soviet union 2.0 and say "woa baZed lool"
>>62956551Probably for the best
>>62956550read the thread, nuclear winter will not happen because nukes dont throw up enough dust into the stratosphere to cause such a phenomenon.the papers that predict a nuclear winter assume that the nukes cause massive firestorms who for some reason (how?) will carry a lot of ash into the stratosphere. if you exclude that possibility no nuclear winter will happen.https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2017JD027331
>>62956551Anon, farming has not been a labor-intensive activity since 1970s. It's not about what you pay the peons (because there are no peons to begin with) but rather how much tech and capital you sink in (fertilizers, machinery, etc.) to get the best yields. Russia will be left behind for this reason, the sanctions will bite into their ability to import Western equipment. And China has too much people to ever hope it could be self sufficient.Farming today is a high tech activity, it's not labor-intensive. (Unless we are talking about subsistence agriculture in Africa or the like,)
>>62956618I guess i was wrong. Thanks anon
>>62956646well i could be wrong. i just like to argue. its jst when you look at images of nuclear surface tests you realize that nukes arent actually that big. pic related is a 500kt explosion, so in the typical range of most active nuclear warheads and it doesnt look like it will block the sun anytime soon.
>>62956633>Anon, farming has not been a labor-intensive activity since 1970s.That's due to the global market, not due to the reality. Again, you should NOT let the global market dictate your food. You fool, you absolute buffoon. Did covid teach you anything?
>>62956685Haha Vatnik, You forget. Russia bad therefore i don't have to look at my own flaws.
>>62956706He is saying that farming is now a tech and fertilizer you can get, but fails to leave out that the reason it is like that is due to the slave tier labor that china and russia and the 3rd world is pumping out. That's the only way western farmers can compete.
>>62956558>MSM rhetoric on how Russia is literally muh soviet union 2.0 and say "woa baZed lool"what the fuck you are majorly fucked up>msm rhetoric on russia how they are acting like sovietsthey literally just invaded their neighbour, how is it a rhetoric if its happening
>>62956732>they literally just invaded their neighbour, how is it a rhetoric if its happeningDoing something bad doesn't automatically make it muh sooviet union. Modern Russia is a Conservative, capitalist, and Authoritarian state, It's more accurate to call them Fascists than Communists. That's what makes these Leftists insanely stupid (or blinded by their visceral hatred of anything "Western"
>>62956760theres literally no difference between fascists and commies other than the concept of private propery, but it all becomes moot when it still is a dictatorship that can null your existance for any reason it wantsIf it appeals to normies to brand that inbred mongol state that is called russia as a communist state, it doesnt matter as long as the main goal is total zigger death.I will gladly kill communists, russians and other scum of this world. Eat shit nigger
>>62950238Be somewhere else, preferably.
>>62956777>Eat shit niggerOh yeah because screaming racial slurs when you can't make a logical argument totally makes you win. You are a massive faggot if you believe with your heart that Russians are Mongols and Ukrainians aren't. I don't give a shit on what racist or how racist you are, but don't make it your whole fucking personality.
>>62956795>3 rows of text>he quotes the last three wordsAre you the same guy that cried about MSM shit? Are you blind to your own actions? Fuck ruskies, you will never convince me to feel sorry for them. It is their own actions that brought to where they are. Stop being a cuck and accept that actions have consequences.
>>62956685>>62956706>>62956714There seems to be a confusion here.I'm not >>62956503 >>62956196I'm >>62956137I think the West should strive to be self-sufficient in food production.That said, this is a myth:>but fails to leave out that the reason it is like that is due to the slave tier labor that china and russia and the 3rd world is pumping outFarming is not labor intensive anymore. Farming employs less and less people (as a % of the population) every year. It's like 1 to 5% of the workforce in most countries that are not third world. Most of the thirdie immigrants in the West don't become farmers (sure you can find a few exceptions), most of them migrate to the cities to become construction workers, to work stocking shelves, or just to live off gibs.Outside of a few niches, like selecting and picking the best grapes for wine for example, farming is mostly a mechanized activity and it will become even more so in the future. Soon there won't be a need for people to be involved at all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYzCI1_lJLY Peons cannot replace modern industrial farming methods. Zimbabwe tried to do this, they displaced the whites and their harvesters from the land and gave it to the poorfag masses and it resulted in a famine.
>>62950238>it seems impossible for the human race to survive with the way even natural conditions got alteredthose were estimations with more than 100k primitive, dirty warheads at peak of cold war - now there are less than 10k warheads operational - and those will be detonated over soft targets or below ground to reach mountain range bunkers - much less dust... and as warheads are more efficient less radiation...
>>62956825Pic also related. The countries that rely on peons or slave labor have shit agricultural productivity. The idea that the West needs immigrants to pick its lettuce is bs.http://news-infographics-maps.net/employment-in-agriculture.html
>>62956825>Soon there won't be a need for people to be involved at all. Some produce are impossible to mechanize. For instance asparagus, especially the white variety, is impossible to mechanize, since a) it bruises easily; b) it needs to be literally dug out of a mound of earth. There's no robot, simultaneously strong and delicate enough, who can dig the shoots out of the dirt without bruising them. East Yuropoorians have to be (temporarily) imported each spring to dig them out.
>>62956892I agree with you but we are still talking about like 5% of the population employed in agriculture.And it's a number that will keep decreasing.
>>62956760Russia is not communist, but I'd hardly call it a capitalist country either. If anything the closest term would be neo-feudalism. The Russian economy is controlled by a few oligarchs who are basically the same apparatchiks from Soviet times who have rebranded themselves, switching from state factory managers to owners of said factories through the process of looting and state asset capture that happened in the 1990s.There is no rule of law, no property rights, the state controls a large share of the economy, and what is not directly controlled by the state is indirectly controlled by the Kremlin aligned oligarchs. Hardly a capitalist economic model.If you run afowl with the authorities in Moscow your assets can be stolen at any time.
>>62956814Government and people are extremely different. You know what authoritarianism is, right? I never asked you to stop being a Russophobe. Hate speech is free speech. I just asked you to get a life outside of being one.
>>62952646>>62956017Deranged zegro still butthurt after the Chernobyl miniseries
>>62952646Muh ChernooylMuh threeeeeeeeee mile islanMuh Fukukuima Yeah let's ignore the hundreds of thousands of people getting cancer from Coal.
>>62956825Exactly
>>62955251Come on anon the history of China spans several millennia.
>>62957728Germany as a country is a post 1918 thing. The Middle East can't even stick to the borders that the British drew for them.China allegedly stopped internal fighting when exactly?.
>>62954610Yep. I was surprised when OPpie first said it, but it makes sense when you look at the nuclear chain of command and how messy it is. The missiles are quick to launch... but the confirmation, the notifying the President and waiting for him to decide whether to push the button, all of the information and orders moving up and down the chain... that's the weak link in the system. I believe at some points the President was estimated to have ~3 minutes to decide before ICBMs began impacting... and that number went negative if a boomer snuck across the North Pole and launched from closer in.Thus, it's a very real possibility that severing key nodes could delay a response. That's why the Ohios are so important; they might not be able to respond as quickly, but it's awfully hard to keep them from responding eventually.
>>62950238>How does one survive a Nuclear War?make sure your side takes out the other sides military assets before they can carry out their function
>>62956732He was trying to illustrate to you the point there's a political split of far-leftists supporting Russia, other leftists supporting Ukraine, and you're trying to insult him to turn this into another back and forth bullshit because he used a word your dumbass doesn't understand. You have a double-digit IQ for believing rhetoric is an inherently negative bad word.
>>62950238Realistically? Be a neutral country that isn't targeted.
>>62954638based
>>62953144>Trump ripped it upWhy are you such a faggot? It was "ripped" specifically because russia was cheating on it for decades up until this point. All those Iskander and other bullshit missiles used in Ukraine were breaking the INF specifically.
>>62953339>The only scenario where Russia launches nukes is one where they're doing it out of sheer spiteIn that case they'd drop it inside russia's borders
My brown friends if the invasion of Ukraine has shown anything, US would know about a potential russian OOK-OOK-NOOK-NOOK chimpout months before it would happen, hence US would first strike russia and its leadership into oblivion and without the manlets at the top the whole rotten shitfest will collapse instantly.
>>62959434Problem with that assumption is that it relies on intelligence agencies being able to do their jobs and leaders trusting them. Trump is installing people who either hate the intel agencies they're supposed to lead and want to dismantle them or people who are useful idiots who echo zigger propaganda. Trump also believes loyalty to him is the only thing that matters and experts who aren't swearing fealty to him can never be trusted, he ran on purging the government and replacing every civil servant with political loyalists. This is the exact kind of thinking that led russia to become a shitpile of corruption and incompetence. If Xi or Putin occupied Hawaii or Anchorage Trump wouldn't believe it until Fox news told him it had happened, even then his new advisors would insist it was just the MSM trying to make him look bad. We are fucking fucked the second a real crisis begins.
>>62950238By being ahead of the curve.
>>62959475Hey, Remember back in 2009-2016 when hundreds of military officers and civilian leaders got replaced with people whose loyalty was to the President above all? Where were you then?
>>62959496this anon will rule the wastes only if he gets slings on his other long guns.
>>62959475>3 day SMO>3 week TDS
>>62959543This, unironically thanks Obama.
>>62950238Fallout from modern hydrogen bombs is relatively limited, the main issue is a long-term food and water source to survive the collapse of civilization. After all there have been thousands of nuclear tests with no real effects on 99.999% of humans from fallout.
>>62959543Oddly enough can't say I remember CNN hosts, youtubers and tech bros being given power over government with orders to purge anyone who wouldn't swear undying loyalty to King Obama.
>>62950238Welp I figure they give me about 200 rounds. I shoot everyone in my way that offers violent resistance.
>>62960131Assuming I shoot two in the chest one in the head. I'm gonna have rounds left over before you can put your finger on the button. You're getting one in the head first. Then it's just spite shots because I wanna make sure.
>>62950238You find the nearest rußian and choke him/her to death. Repeat for chinks.Here, nuclear war solved
>>62959878>collapse of civilizationwhy? the government will be safe in air force one or in bunkers. chances are very high you wont even have a new president. the rich will survive in their remote mansions. the rural areas will be left untouched and even in the cities and larger towns there will be plenty of survivors who now demand help fom the government. general mobilization of the military and general conscription will be decreed. house owners will be forced to take in refugees. conscripts will be used as labour to build shelters and rebuild the destroyed stuff. it wont be like a zombie apocalypse.
>>62950238I think you want to be in brazil or austrailia, have lots of stockpiled food and seeds, and live far enough out in the boonies to not attract raidersNookular winter is gonna be a bitch. Your goal is to outlast the worst of it, and be able to plant then. I suggest having a large stand of Jerusalem Artichoke already growing as you don't have to do anything but harvest and it's almost as calorie dense as corn. Leave it be until SHTF and then harvest as needed. Most other people won't even know what it is, so they may not steal it. Harvest at night and don't tell anyone where you got your food..Also plant food bearing trees - especially ones that aren't famous for being food.
As long as you have a steady food supply and can fend off the local plebs, nuclear war is survivable, depending on the geographical location....... Biggest issue is not the devastation, lack of coms, modern medicine brought back 500 years it is FOOD, how the fuck do you get enough FOOD, most of the radionuclides will decay quite fast after the initial blasts because they are high energy but you have shit like cesium and uranium fucking up the soil for many generations, lot's of abortions and fucked up babies will be born we would need to throw them down the cliff like Spartans.
>>62956061>break out great grandpa's horse drawn plow>head 2 miles down the road to bubba's place where he grows corn instead>sharecropping.png
>>62959475>he ran on purging the government and replacing every civil servant with political loyalistsMakes sense when retards within your previous government literally told they'd ignore your orders and submit to chinks should shit hit the fan, no?
>>62959496This is the most generic Loadout I've ever seen. Be original, loser
>>62952334check out median wealth per adult
>>62952334>>62963076The life expectancy data is very embarrassing too, India levels...
