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Why did modular weapons fail and never take off?
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>>64459054

Most rifles today are exceptionally modular. They just figured out how to do it better with modern mounting systems.
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you have a thousand attachments for the m4
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>>64459054
It did take off, it just turned out a 20mm grenade launcher with under barrel assault rifle was a way worse mix of modules than a regular assault rifle with an under barrel 40mm. I will give the OICW style points though I certainly wouldn’t want to carry it around all day.
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As a child I liked rail integration systems.
As an adult, I [spoiler]FUCKING HATE THEM[/spoiler]
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>>64459054
The lack of a billion angry commies (seemingly) poised to invade the free world tonight took all the wind out of the sails of the basic research and decades of painful engineering it would take to make them actually practical in terms of weight, unit cost and electrical endurance.
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>>64459054
Because the benefits that a huge semi-auto 20mm cannon offers over a simple 40mm underbarrel launcher aren't worth more the doubling the size and weight of an infantryman's weapon.
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>>64459054
so close, yet so far.

take more or less normal rifle (rotate gas thingy to side) and put front iron sight atop big ring at tip of barrel. Big rings are blue and are used to mount full length multi purpose launch tube.

Green is removable screw cap to allow mortar, recoilless or rocket with exhaust ammo.

Full length allows good FPS with mortar with reduced recoil and pressure spike.
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>>64459054
To borrow a Heinlein quote, "If you load a mud foot down with a lot of gadgets that he has to watch, somebody a lot more simply equipped - say with a stone ax - will sneak up and bash his head in while he is trying to read a vernier."
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>>64459152
thank god this retard never gained any decision making position.
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>>64459054
Is the AR15 not modular?
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>>64459220
I guarantee that you cannot even properly pronounce Vernier.
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>>64459152
>Grossly ineloquent quote
>Look up the guy who said it
>American
Of course.
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>>64459054
does the ar15 not have ten million attachments?
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>>64459152
>try to sneak up on a guy with night vision goggles using only an axe
>he noticed you hours ago and has used his radio to signal his squad mates to set up a defensive formation
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>>64459220
NTA but that wasn't Heinlin's message. It was an in universe explanation for something retarded. His version of infantry are more technologically sophisticated and better armed than an F22.
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From a defense acquisition perspective it's much easier and less risky to keep upgrading old thing rather than trying to field radically different new thing.
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>>64459450
upgrading old equipment is almost always just a stopgap to keep the current equipment not-totally-useless while waiting for the radical new thing to reach full production
hyper-upgraded vehicles are rarely ever meant to be a long-term investment, except when it happens by accident when the replacement ends up delayed
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>>64459450

The actual answer is that infantry small arms make up a vanishingly small component of the actual combat power and lethality of a modern military. The cost-benefit analysis behind modestly improving an infantryman's rifle isn't actually very good.
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>>64459293
sir, I was using one in 4th grade. It was a very good school.
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>>64459054
Because you only need 1 modular weapon.
That's the point.
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>>64459479
>The actual answer is that infantry small arms make up a vanishingly small component of the actual combat power and lethality of a modern military
this is despite the fact that every country scrambles to upgrade their small arms after they meet even the slightest mismatch after meeting an opponent
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>>64459054
Every modern weapon is modular, ESL retard. That is a COMBINATION weapon.
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>>64459054
It's about finding the right balance between innovation and simplicity.
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>>64459054
Wow, I never knew that the aims-20 from Nightfire was actually a real gun.
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>>64459054
Canadian here, we are always working hard to stay on the cutting edge of small arms technology. Picrel, better play nice with us America OR ELSE.
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>>64462377
working towards the goal of making it fireable by man
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>>64459792
Because it's cheap. Literally every country with a decent industrial base can build their own small arms. They are not complicated or very expensive to make/buy.
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>>64459414
The Starship Troopers book is a boring ass book where it's just a series of pro-fascist classroom lectures the author made up in his head. Nothing really happens other than broadly general combat scenes where guys in power suits are jumping for miles at a time like human fleas and shooting portable nukes at... something. I fucking hated it and I'm a former active duty Marine that should have drank the kool-aid in that message but I just fucking hated it so much. Love the movie, though.

Wife says I should give him another chance and read "Stranger in a Strange Land" but I worry it will be another slog of self inflicted cock and ball torture like "Starship Troopers" was.
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>>64462918
>shooting portable nukes at... something
the chinese
the bugs are a metaphor for the chinese, anon
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>>64459054
Don't need to hotswap most things. You don't need a truck to transform into a tank. You buy 300 tanks and 15000 trucks.
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>>64462942
chinese were irrelevant when that movie was released so you're just talking out your ass lol
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>>64462918
If you thought that was the message, you got filtered.
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>>64463421
>movie
I'm talking about the fucking book, you goddamn imbecile.
>Every time we killed a thousand Bugs at a cost of one M.I. it was a net victory for the Bugs. We are learning how efficient a total communism can be when used by a people actually adapted to it by evolution; the Bug commissars didn’t care any more about expending soldiers than we cared about expending ammo. Perhaps we could have figured this out about the Bugs by noting the grief the Chinese Hegemony gave the Russo-Anglo-American Alliance; however the trouble with ‘lessons from history” is that we usually read them best after falling flat on our faces.’
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>>64463490
eh whatever. chinese never invaded anyone or did colonialism in their history despite having the capability to so this is just judeowestern projection most likely
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>>64463492
>chinese never invaded anyone
They trampled over North Korea and North Vietnam to meet Western forces at the frontline and prevent them from reaching the Chinese border. Don't tell me you've never heard of the fucking red tide that showed up just as NATO was about to win both of those wars.
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>>64463519
>allies called them for help
>trampling

??? is this really the pilpul your going with
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>>64463492
Chinks attacked Japanese territory in 1931 and 1937 (only to get their shit stomped in lmao), plus what >>64463492 said. You're also conveniently forgetting Tibet.

>Judeowestern
Kikes have been aiding the chinks since day 1 and holohoax denial is illegal in Russia.

>>64463519
You're talking to a retarded shitskin.
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>>64463548
Meant to say plus what >>64463519 said.
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>>64463441
surely you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and explain the message, professor?
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>>64463563
>ban spanking
>this leads to a world war
>allow scientists in charge
>this leads to a world war
>also communism bad
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>>64463548
securing your borders =/= flying a million miles away to do a hecking settler colonialism in the middle east/americas/asias mr. judenstein
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>>64463597
Huh, thanks for enlightening me that Tibet was always a part of China and never an independent nation with its' own distinct culture and people. How's the weather in Tel Aviv?
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>>64463626
You must be joking lol. The jew msm absolutely hates china

Whatever. Also they kicked the west out from Korea in the 1960s when all they had was soviet WW1 tech and pitchforks lol. How is it going to go when now they have nukes, hypersonics and drone swarms.
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>>64463492
>eh whatever. chinese never invaded anyone or did colonialism in their history despite having the capability to so this is just judeowestern projection most likely

What about fucking Tibet and Mongolia you fucking red shill, fuck you and fuck the bugs
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>>64463597
Every communist country today is basically a satellite state of China.
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>>64463563
That locking citizenship behind a gate is not a cure for apathy and also flogging is good actually.
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>>64462508
No, that would be misogynistic.
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>>64459467
>just a stopgap
>he doesn't know about the permanence of temporary solutions
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>>64459054
Modular weapons did take off, M4 is one. OICW is not a modular weapon. Look up what the words you use mean.
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>>64462377
lmao shut up. Indian army proxy these days.



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