Apparently people used to use 4x G3 scopes on MP5s. Why? 4x seems like overkill on a 100 meter gun
As opposed to what? There wasn't remotely the variety of optics in the 80s we have today. If you didn't have magnified optic, you either had some shitty OEG or just plain irons. Plus magnification has its uses for target ID and shot placement at the outer edges of your effective range.
>>64487842They used to also make crosshairs of duct tape over a maglight strapped to the top. They used what they had and trained until they could overcome any equipment shortcomings.
>>64487842Close range headshots. For hostage situations your target is a tiny area of the brain called the "T" box, or in medical terms the brain stem. Destroying that causes instant incapacitation and complete loss of motor control and even residual nerve firings as those signals can't make it to the body anymore.
>>64487842its not a PPSH that you hold into the general direction of the enemy. It is mostly used by police, special units and protection details. Who need to be precise with their targets. As another anon just said, to avoid causalities in crowded areas or hostage situations.Fun fact , the german police has these thing in their cars instead of shotguns.
>4x is overkill at 100mno its not
100 meters/yards is still pretty long!
>>64487886a bored and defeated OP is now going to start making fun of us for not being able to hit anything at 100m without optics
>>64487861SAS generally mag dump center mass back then
>>64487842>Why?Because it looks cool.
>>64488099Didn't realize they trained with the Soviets
>>64487842Have you never fired a gun before?
>>64487853they didn't have like 2x?>>64487874>Fun fact , the german police has these thing in their cars instead of shotguns.honestly it makes more sense to have a pcc than a shotgun. they are more accurate and more shootable
>>64488130Silly, Soviets didn't train, they had to share one bullet per company. No spare to train. If bullet fail, retract bayonet so you don't cut yourself while you use rifle as club.
>>64488130>>64488099>>64487861HK's manual says there is 4-5 inches in deviation along the bullet path https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/wars_and_weapons/guns/Heckler%20&%20Koch%20MP5%20Submachine%20Gun%20Operator's%20Manual.pdf
>>64487890>>64487886>>64487882why can't you hit a target at 100 yards with irons? it's no hard
>>64488146yeah, have you? 100 m isn't that far for a shot
>>64488130Everbody magdumped. All this single shots and doubletaps shit is a relatively recent thing, late 90s onwards. Before the MP5 was adopted, the standard SAS hostage rescue weapon was a MAC-10.
>>64488130Anon, they magdumped the terrorists, not the hostages
>>64487842Look at his faceEven at 100m, he wants to see the life slowly drain from his enemy's eyes
>>64488227Amateur mistake
>>64487842Now that's just sillyWho would even do anything like that
>>64488157Let's pretend we're not just trying to "hit a target", we're trying to hit a very specific spot on the target.
>>64488351according to the HK MP5 operators manual, you can be off by as many as 5 inches depending on where you are in the rainbow distance wise
>>64488412Same with my dick
>>64488157>Surely there could be no difference between hitting a clearly marked unmoving contrast target anywhere at least most of the time and actually using a firearm against a real moving armed target where you're trying to hit a 3-6" spot on it reliablyI'm amazed at how pervasive this particular brand of retardation is. You see it all the time with people going on about 1x per 100yds or how a 3x magnifier is just as good as a scope at 300-500yds because they can hit steel most of the time at those ranges
This OP is what passes for 'knowledge' of zoomlennial videolarpstreamgamers
>>64487842QRD on this guy's gear, it looks interesting
>>64488480mp5s shoot like 5 inches high at like 80 yards. they are probably shooting center mass >>64488510go read the HK operator's manual. they specifically say the gun is good out to about 100 meters
>>64488179>>64488179>Have hostage in front of me>SAS burst through the window on rappel>Mag dump through the hostage into me as they're still swinging cause center mass mag dumps onlySounds pretty Soviet to me
>>64488873>Have hostage>SPETSNAS burst through the window from catapult >Mag dump through the hostage and scavenge pockets for vodka because center mass onlySound Soviet 2me
>>64488412>according to HK covering their own assaccuracy varies by gunyou should shoot your weapon enough to know it's individual limitations
>>644885571960's style motorcycle helmet and his patch says Bundeswehr. So probably some sort of rapid response unit from Germany.
>>64489417they were describing the path the bullet takes elevation wise, retard. MP5s are zeroed at the factory for some reason. using the factory zero with the factory suggested ammo results in the top of the arc being 5 inches over the sights
>>64488179>Before the MP5 was adopted, the standard SAS hostage rescue weapon was a MAC-10.The MAC-10 was certainly issued to undercover operators in Norn Iron. I can't believe it would have ever have been the weapon of choice for a hostage rescue mission, though.
>>64489583It's pretty crazy, but they actually dual weilded them and did back flips all the time
>>64488103That’s 90% of making it.
>>64488581>gun is good out to about 100 metersAnd?(I have that manual) Would I have expected something different
>>64487842>It is controllable enough in short bursts to hold on a moving target that is moving increasing your hit probability >you can take accurate shots in a high stakes environmentI am surprised putting 4x optics on controllable sub guns is not more popular
>>64488581>mp5s shoot like 5 inches high at like 80 yardsyou know you can zero the gun however you want, right?
>>64488149the hensoldt 4x scope you see pictured was the only one widely available with the HK claw mount for attaching onto all guns of the G3 family since it was made and sold along with DMR variants of G3. it's no wonder that police who typically got sloppy seconds from the military gear would have them trickle down into their armories.
>>64489869you must be retarded, gay, autistic and no gunz>>64489940a lot of them are open bolt
>>64489961you know that would significantly reduce the range, right? probably not since you've never shot a gun>>64490015neat
>>64488099that's not an SAS tho
>>64490265Germans also mag dumped center mass
>>64490071>you know that would significantly reduce the rangeno it won't. drop your retarded bullshit, lying nigger.
>>64490341holy shit you are one massive no gunz retardif you want to reduce the peak of the parabola for a given round you need to reduce the zero range. if you want to increase the zero range you need to increase the height of the parabola. gravity is working on the bullet, it needs to go up more to have more range, you gay retard
>>644903549mm raises less than 2" when zeroed at 100yds, which is the most you expect from MP5. do your math instead of inventing retarded bullshit to cope with being an ignorant nogunz nigger asking stupid questions next time.
>>64490372>9mm raises less than 2" when zeroed at 100yds,not according to the HK MP5 manual, retard. I'm gunna trust HK over a man who eats his own shit
>>64490380>not according to the HK MP5 manualjust like i said, retarded noguns nigger begging for attention with braindead questions.buy a gun and blow your two braincells out.
>>64490388yeah, I'm going to go with HK is a more reliable source than a eunuch who voluntarily go himself castrated, eunuch
>>64490401>retarded know-nothing noguns keeps doubling down and seething after being proven wrongyou should be beaten until you are unable to speak or type
>>64490413HK's manual says a 124 grain bullet, no gunz eunuch
>>64490414>muh HK manualhow about you pick up a real gun instead, retarded underage subhuman?
>>64490422goould?>>64490424that's not the zero they describe in the manual, eunich. sounds like you are entering random numbers you know nothing about because you have no guns and your uncle did some things to you and your mom blame you
>>64490430>that's not the zero they describe in the manualyou can zero the gun yourself, you know. we've gone over this.>ounds like you are entering random numbers you know nothing about because you have no guns and your uncle did some things to you and your mom blame youno need to tell us your life story to cope, just accept that you're a retarded nigger and move on.
>>64489492>factory zeroIf you've never shot a gun you shouldn't talk about them.Faggot.
>>64488157This guy has still got irons though the mount has a peek-under through hole.
>>64489758Kek. Indeed.
>>64490443you clearly have neve shot a gun and you have no penis. you didn't post the muzzle velocity or BC because you made them up and are a homosexual>>64490454sameeunuch >>64490473true
>>64490512>you didn't post the muzzle velocity or BC because you made them uyou know you can just check instead of coping about how doing math is gay and something about dicks, right? even a noguns like you can do it.
>>64490520that's easily faked same eunuch. you won't post the numbers because your using like 5.56 velos and not 9mm because you have exactly the same number of guns as you have penises, zero
>>64487842Seems they were used as early as 1977 and by literally everyone who got an MP5, including the US. fagbook Marinereconfoundation/posts/1243658424460640/
>>64490414You keep referring to the HK manual. Do you have a physical copy? May we see it?
>>64488179Double taps are advocated at least as early as 1942 in Shooting to Live.
>>64492087here you gohttps://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/wars_and_weapons/guns/Heckler%20&%20Koch%20MP5%20Submachine%20Gun%20Operator's%20Manual.pdfit's like page 68 or 69 that I keep referencing >>64491750that's a big scope
>>64487842you can still use the iron sights with those optic mounts so 4x option can definitely be handy in some situations
>>64492890>that's a big scope4X-u
>>64489771this is some ghost in the shell anime shitbased
All this sperging out got me curious. Messed around with some numbers turns out a 100 yard zero is best with a 5 inch barrel and gold dot +p 124 hp. 7.5 inch MPBR
>>64487842Could be for PID and more accurate fire
>>64487842Funny you say that as a silenced MP5 with a ~4x little scope like that is something I was genuinely considering doing.>>64487853>80s>shitty OEGWhile finding a clamp to weaver adapter would be a bitch of a problem (probably custom only at that time), you did have non-OEG, albeit still light powered (non-electronic), red dots at that time. Weaver made these things in the 70s. Came in a few versions including dovetail base, weaver base, and side mount drill&tap for 870s, etc. I wish I could find that damn old catalog I bought years ago as it had some good info in it.
>>64490015>hensoldt 4x scopeCorrect in the late seventies through mid 1980s all the Heckler & Koch long guns were marketed with that and claw mount as standard accessory
>Anonymous 11/06/25(Thu)14:58:32 No.64490069= Nogunz plebbitard Faggot
>>64488227>7 hostage takers>93 hostages>99 bodybags, mission success, time for celebratory porrage
>>64495791oh look, an angry no gunz eunuch who wears his mother's clothes
>>64495816Keep seething Nogunz. Never stop seethingseethe some more, in response to this postand then more
kek, the no gunz eunuch who wears his mother's clothes is still mad and ban evading
>>64490015>>64488149>>64487853The STANAG claw mount will still let you use the irons so it's just overall an added capability without limiting your use of the gun (much, it does add a fair bit of weight and bulk).
>>64495889Admittedly not the best picture but you get what I mean
>>64489432His patch says Bundespolizei, my friend. The bundeswehr doesn't use the federal eagle as its emblem. This guy is an early GSG9 operator, pic related
>>64487842why the fuck wouldn't you want more precision? do you hate being able to see something in higher detail?"but can't you use irons", yeah mother fucker, i cani can also just hipfire too, but i'm not gonna fucking do that, am i?what, can't use a 4x? you don't fucking know how look down a scope? can't put a fucking crosshair on a target? you fucking apeoidic frankenstein bastards?god i hate you fucking cargocult faggotsyou have no idea what the hell ironsights & optical sights are even used for, do you? fuck youif i see any of you in person, i am going to ram an acog up your ass & plug your mouth shut with a magnifier
>>64494173Noice
>>64495921you clearly have no penis and have never touched a gun irl, reddit spacer
>>64488130If you want to eliminate a target, you magdump center mass.No fancy bullshit, just as many bullets into the torso as you can get there as quickly as possible.This is still true to this day.Only very situations call for more complicated solutions and in that case you have something better than a glorified PDW.
>>644959281. not an argument2. you clearly don't know what redditspacing is, you newniggerdeepthroat a scope, you projectionist
>>64488157it shouldn't just be "not hard", it shouldn't just be "easy". It should be so easy a child can do it under pressure.
>>64495938you reddit space and you have no penis and no gunz. you can't hit a barn at 25 feet and you got no dick
>>64495946still not an argument, you projecting jeet
>>64495965nice airshit you dickless trannyalso >that handI guess you were signing your post there
>>64497133>can't post guns>can't identify guns>doesn't even know what white skin looks likei accept your concession
>>64498309that gun is airshitalso that handlmao, where do you live, like argentina? still sure you were signing your name at the end of this post based on that hand and airshit>>64495965
>>64499259>muh 10mm IRA is airshitgood to know you're unable to read lmaokeep being a nonwhite noguns, you got nothing to show foroh, and GOOD MORNING SAARhope your 10 hour long rest was fulfilling
>>64499397why are you showing me your current local time, airsoft shitter? not everyone is on /k/ 24/7 like you. I really did not need to know it's 9 am local time for you. you already got btfo'd and humiliated by posting airshit with that hand
>>64497133>>64499259Are you blind? The barrel literally has 10mm written on it. You still haven't posted guns either, don't call people noguns if you can't showguns.
>>64499427>the noguns nonwhite still can't post a hand & gun
>>64499453>Not reddit-fingering.Based.
>>64499453Take your finger off the trigger, retard.
>>64499442yeah, that's airshit. it's written on airshit my south asian friend >>64499453>no timestampnot your gun, troon
>>64499476>yeah, that's airshit. it's written on airshit my south asian friendSo you are blind. And you still haven't shown guns either.
>>64499476i will never miss out on an excuse to embarrass a noguns like you
>>64499512>no timestampnot your gun, troon>>64499487it's airshit. keep crying. t. actual gun owner
>>64499518>no timestamp>t. actual gun ownerholy shit, you're seethingyou got nothing to show for lmao
>>64499518>t. actual gun ownerI don't believe that for a second.>>64499512Is RIA any good or are they like turkshit?
>>64499526I'm not mad at all, my desi friend. >>64499537why would I care if a transexual who plays with airshit believes me?
>>64499537ria is really goodthe gun has no rattle whatsoever, its actually impressive to mei don't like how the recoil spring guide rod isn't a quick takedown one (bull barrel), but thats an easy upgrade though
>>64499544absolutely btfo
>>64499544You clearly care since you're replying.
>>64499544>no timestampthe picture has your fucking No. you retarded jeet
>>64499554>>64499556>>64499559>airshit tranny so buckbroken by white American gun owner xe replies with 3 samefagssad, very sad
>>64489771>expand dong
>>64499571>white American gun ownerYou clearly aren't any of those.
>>64499578>>64499611very easy to fake you no gunz no meat eating troon. you are posting on both your phone and computer or in an incognito and normal browser. it's very common for troons that live on 4chan 24/7, such as yourself
>>64499620noguns
>>64499518>no timestampnow you're just fucking with him
>>64499620The only thing being faked is you pretending to have guns.
>>64490430>that's not the zero they describe in the manual, eunich.do you even know how to zero a gun?
>>64495889>>64495896the HK claw mount was avant garde in the 1970s and 80sNo other manufacturer had anything comparable, and this was decades prior pic (or any other type of) rails
>>64499621we don't sign our posts here>>64499632>>64499637>>64499656damn, 4 seething posts this time. you must be mad as fuck you got called out on your airshit and hand and lack of timestamps
>>64500090are you going into a schizo crashout? what does >>64499656 have to do with you not having guns?
>>64500090holy shit i recognize you, take your meds bro
>>64490069Open bolt SMGs haven't been in style for a few decades now.
>>64500094>>64500148>everyone who disagrees with me is the same guy.you are really crashing out over your airshit getting called out>>64500353MP5s were more or less the last gen of smgs that saw significant use and everything prior to the mp5 was open bolt. the only stuff that really sold since then are mp7s which I don't think people are using at any significant range, it's basically a machine pistol in terms of form factor and the P90 and that has a pic rail but even then I think most of the would be mp5 users just use short rifles now
>>64500395>everyone who disagrees with me is the same guy.says the shizo whos been calling everyone a samefag, now go take your meds
>>64500395what the hell do you mean "more or less the last gen"?>CZ scorpion evo>UMP>P90>TMP>Bizon>Beretta Cx4>AR9
>>64488157try doing that while being shot at
>>64500442And when what you're shooting at doesn't want to get hit so they're moving and taking coverOptics are one of the cheapest multipliers you can get for riflemen and while everyone loves the irons, once you're reaching out past 100m and need to ding someone or something right on the button- you can do that so much easier with optics. People also forget that military training is firstly about reaching a baseline of competency first, then moving onto marksmanship where they can hit what they're aiming at enough times to warrant being an effective rifleman. Some of them come from farms and used guns all their life, others are literally suburban kids that never held a weapon in their life, but you've got to get them up to proven competency and effectiveness.The addition of optics, rapidly gets a large group of people effective very quickly for a couple of hundred bucks each, instead of spending dozens of hours of range time and 1000's of rounds to achieve that with iron sights.
>>64500426how many of those are commonly used by leos or military?>>645004749mm falls like a brick after 100 m, you'd need a bdc which that scope does not have
>>64500404you first, troon
>>64500764>not even denying itso you admit you take them, thats very good. acceptance is the beginning of recoverymaybe you can also accept that you have a troon fetish too, but i think you're too closeted for the time being to do thati'm glad we've sorted this all out, it was nice talking to your xir
>>64500395MP5s and AR15s will continue to be used for a long time even still. They just work too well
>>64488557>>64489432>>64495904That guy is definitely BGS with that style fo helmet, I'd say quite possibly even early GSG9.
>>64487842scopes are useful on 100M guns if they are accurate
>>64501245nah mp5s are done widespread good kevlar made them obsolete
>>64501298I found this when looking for early GSG9 images. 2nd guy from the right had the asmr style of helmet, M38 derivative, same goggles and the same MP5 configuration. OP's pick also shows up when searching for the GSG9 style helmet so I'm pretty sure it is a 70s GSG9 operator.
>>64487861The T-box isn't the brain stem, it's just slang for the area covered by the eyes and nose. If you shoot people in the top of the forehead, cheekbones or teeth there's a chance the bone redirects the bullet and you don't get a clean hit on the brain. The eye sockets and nose cartilage are sort of "paths of least resistance" so if you hit there you're almost guaranteed a brain hit.
>>64501871>mental retardationKeep talking out your ass, sonny.
>>64501334>File: gsg9-in-the-70s-early-80sLooks like the same OP picrel dude from exact same lineup photo session
>>64501180I don't take medz because I'm not a no gunz tranny like you
>>64503187good morning saar, is the delhi air fresh there?
>>64501308I mean MP5s in the role of a PCC/SMG not that they are as big as ARs now
>>64500087>and this was decades prior [to] pic (or any other type of) railsAnon, I...>1930+95>I am forgotten
>>64503192why do you keep posting your local time? you already posted your hand which showed you live there with your air shit
>>64500087>inb4 "but-"Weaver was making fucking Weaver rails in the 70s and RED DOTS compatible with their own Weaver rails. Yeah, commercially and readily available red dots in the 1970s. Blew my fucking mind as well.
>>64503227i accept your concession
>>64503235you live on here 24/7 and you have a clock with indian local time since it's your local time and you own airshit
>>64503253i accept your concession
>>64500087>accidentally posted the dovetail versionFuck. But that brings me to another point I almost forgot, the dovetail was standard on a lot of even 1960s 22s. Rails go much further back than you imply.
>>64489771Why did we stop enhancing dong technology? We were so close to having third legs....
>>64503214>>64503230>>64503265> - butThose rails had to be screwed on. (Yes the dovetail is different, but not suitable for precision optics)Claw mount was self contained and fairly explanatory
>>64504979we don't sign our posts here
>>64505353Holy shit! lmaooooooooooo
>>64487842to see
>>64503208>"PCC/SMG"(You) are going to burn in the eternal fires
>>64505390same eunuch>>64505353tranny is your legal christian name that got and the bear at the mall gave you
>>64505458>>64505471Post guns
>>64505472>17 seconds to seethethat must be a record
>>64505458Just get the fuck off of this site and stay The Fuck off of it. Stupid Fuck Tard nogunz
>>64505458>>64505471absolutely fucking destroyed
>>64505472>>64505475>>64505554>>64505576Post. Guns. Now.
>>64505682y dont u?
>>64505682you're shaking while typing, aren't you?
ain't it weird how no gunz yuro tranny janny doesn't ban his fellow no gunz yuros for racism but bans Americans for calling no gunz yuros, trannies"?
