AK General /akg/AKMSU Edition>Thread #2082Ols thread here >>64460123
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Picked up my AES10b the other day, went to go take the furniture off to strip and dye and the hand-guard retaining lever fell right out. It looks like some on beat it into place with a hammer and it actually warped and twisted the metal into the lock position. Lower hand-guard in very securely locked into place and I'm wondering if I should just leave it alone. I'm assuming a normal retaining latch wont fit because the thicker barrel, and i don't want to deal with the retards at century not responding or sending back a not fixed rifle.
>>64521775Such thing is normal for an AK rifle.This is not American fruit stand rifle where each piece fits together like puzzle piece.
>>64521775Don't these things cost like $2000 too? Wtf wasr bros
>>64521775>These are the people saying your WBP has QC issuesOh no no no no
>>64521775That's gay. I'd at least contact Century and see if they'll fix it before fucking with it yourself. If not, it's an $8 part.>Im not hunting for Romanian so this polack one will sufficehttps://www.apexgunparts.com/ak-handguard-retainer-plate-lever-new.html
>>64522269>These are the people saying your WBP has QC issuesummmm... not really?
>>64521775OofIf it were mine, so long as the lower handguard was secure, I would leave it alone. Keep an eye out for a friend with a press or a sale on a hydraulic press as I believe that is all that is needed to install a new lever and pin. Sorry man. Nice RPK though. https://streamable.com/znd72g
>>64521775what happens when your gun parts are smooshed together rather than fitted
>>64522437Was thinking the same thing. Im putting a kono FRT in it soon so ill see how it feels after a few mag dumps assuming i can get it to run. Worst case I have friends with tools or I am about 2.5 hours away from Century in VT I might just see if i can drop it off
OKP7 China edition has survived hammer blow sand shooting, will take out again and try to get some pictures. Appears to have held zero.
>>64522770>hammer blow sand shootingwdhmbt>Appears to have held zeroTo what degree (bls quantify or qualify)>>64522726>HBAR BIPOC AUGnoice>Kono FRTThe newest version seems better than the original with the stupid wire trip bar. For what it is worth I got a basic AKM super safety, the kind from Deeznutztactical and Muffintoptactical.com to work in my MAK-90 which supposedly is a thicker receiver? But yeah man in either case, get an FRT in that RPK and grab a drum. https://streamable.com/ctps76
>>64521722Do AKs still get typically made with wooden parts, or are the new ones all metal by now? Is all metal that much of an improvement over foregoing the wood?
>>64522834theres only like aluminum handguards and folding metal stocks (which have their downsides compared to fixed stocks)everything else is either plastic or woodand wood is still superior in quality to plastic, its just more expensive to mass produce so theres now more plastic options
>>64522834A few extra options, but not earth-shattering
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>>64523880Found a slightly better resolution of this
>>64521722@TB do you rike it?
>>64523609that's cool your spraypaint caps fit on the ends of your grenades
Good morning, my American fellows. Have some 5,45x39 rounds.In the previous thread someone asked about silencers in Russia and what is DTK.DTK is dul'nyi tormoz kompensator, literally "muzzle break/compensator", so basically it's any device that you attach to a barrel to compensate the recoil. Now to the interesting part about "silencers". In the military Russian language there is no such a word as "silencer", it's called PBS, pribor besshumnoy strel'by, literally "noiseless shooting device". So the trick is that only military use devices can be PBS. For the civilians there is a loophole that allows the manufacturers to certify their products as DTKZT, dul'nyi tormoz/kompensator zakrytogo tipa, "muzzle break/compensator, enclosed type".I assume that these devices mask the sound less effectively than military grade PBS, that's why they are allowed for civilians, yet they are still good enough for their task.
>>64522808Clearly it's a typo retard.>To what degree (bls quantify or qualify)It held fucking Zero.
>>64522770how chinky does it feeli'm wanting a pk-a clone but i'm worried i might just regret not getting a real one but its double the priceseems like the extra $150 might just be better spent on ammo but idk
>>64525603It's solid, but has a air of cheapness to it.I'ts survived 350 rounds on my Zpap & 140 on my AR-15 of all things.
>>64525619don't the originals all kind of have that same air though?wish we had someone to compare the clone to the originals
>>64525644From what I have seen of the real ones, they at least look like they're about the same quality. It's not like they come out of some factory or anything, afaik they are made by like 2-3 russian guys.
>>64525644>>64525680I have held one original, The OG was a bit lighter and felt much better put together.
Where the FUCK can I find black polymer handguards that're in stock? Any good sites?
>>64526231>https://www.k-var.com/handguard-set-for-stamped-receiver-with-stainless-steel-heat-shield-black-polymer-arsenal>https://www.carolinashooterssupply.com/CSS-SAIGA-AK47-HANDGUARD-BLACK-POLYMER-p/css-ak47-handguard-set.htm>https://whatacountry.com/AK-Black-Polymer-Handguard-Set-New-Polish.aspxHope one of those'll do.
I want a legit SGL21, how much would /akg/ pay for one in currentyear? I'm thinking something like $2600.
>>64526974I would never buy from Arsenal. Simple as
>>64526261Yes, absolutely, thanks. I was googling for half an hour and couldn't find ANYTHING in stock
da blogpost fo today: Got the scope rail taken mostly taken care of. Much better eye relief now. I was really hoping the finish would've been better underneath because I don't want to refinish the whole thing. Darn. Might try to buff it out and blend in some cold blue. Will probably still look like ass but at least it won't be brown anymore. 2/3 of the old holes will be covered up by the rail so I won't bother welding them up. The remaining hole will just get a rivet because I don't feel like welding and ER70S-6 doesn't take bluing well anyways. Mystery rivet will look better I think.
are these poop
>>64521775If you punch out the broken piece and slide in a bolt of equal diameter it will hold just as well. Especially if you use a nylon lock nut on the end to hold it together. It wouldn't be pretty but it's an AK tier fix.Let my professional illustration demonstrate.
>>64527918I have one, it's pretty good for a brace
>>64528553doesn't it hurt
>>64528661I have admittedly only used it for about 100 rounds but it felt good to me
>>64525644The guy who does russianoptics.net is doing a comparison to the OG ones he owns.
>>64528661God, could you be any more of a faggot?
>>64523609Nice to see pictures of my old gun on here still. Can't believe this photo is still bouncing around
Grüezi negers
>>64529323Yeah
Aight I might be throwing in the towel on the 3 position AKM super safety FRT. Almost 1000 rounds expended trying to get it to work. Made some solid progress. Semi auto is 100% reliable, but with hard trigger finger pressure in FRT/SS mode the action binds up and requires you reduce trigger finger pressure to release the carrier from the rear of the action and complete the cycle. Works fine if you're a bit lighter, not feathering, but you can't indiscriminately grip it in FRT SS mode without it choking up. Pretty sure this is intrinsic to the setup I have, which takes a 2 position cam and trigger bar ramp, and just removes material from the trigger bar ramp to reduce the amplitude of the reset. Maybe I can mess with the profile of the ramp or something to eliminate this bind, but not sure. Any suggestions?
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>>64521722Apparently JMAC is finally producing a Tabuk rook flash hider.
I'm picking up my WASR today. What folding stock should I get? I like the look of the bonesteel Galil style stock, but I didn't find any reviews that actually talk about how it is to shoot. I want something that is still enjoyable. I'm open to other options, but I don't want a wire stock.
>>64530899>What folding stock should I get?Shovel
>>64530899Galil? More like Gay.Simple side folding Romanian stock is best.
>>64507483thanks I’ll look into it
>>64530899>>64532055Seconding shovel folder
>>64529323If it's actually yours, it's because it's one of very few photos of AMP-69s on the internet. (This is your hint to take more because it's a fucking rad niche gun)
bump
>>64521775Considering the small indents, yeah, they really fucking hammered the thing in. I swear all american AK or sold in the US are fucking trash it's insane.
>>64530899thats what you wantI have the tapco one and its greatthe wire and underfolders are loose shit
Took the new WASR out for a shoot
>>64534227Nice. Get some surp furniture on there and an FRT. This one plus a dremel should be easy to get working, especially if you have an ALG AKT in there:https://muffintoptactical.com/AK-Super-Safety-Kit_p_14.html
>>64536738Is this yellow bakelite or just bad white balance?
>>64537061its peepee
>>64521775Dude do not go out of your way to fix it, this is unacceptable. Contact century for warranty, if they’re worth a shit they’ll get you taken care of. The process sucks but is what it is. Sorry man
Does /akg/ mostly shoot brass now? Or are there still sources of cheap steel?
>>64537343Neither, I don't shoot anymore.
>>64537343I was able to get a good deal on Bellom, and it's been working really well.
I'm an AK newbie that's been looking at a WBP 5.56mm AK. I plan on using it as a fun range toy at my local [spoiler]indoor[/spoiler] range. Have some questions.>regular or 100 model for 5.56mm? the 100 one looks like it'd weigh less than the normal jack>does a wood or plum foregrip work better for managing heat?>what 5.56mm ak mags should I avoid for it?
>>64539110>WBP 5.56mm AKgarbage
>>64539110you should kill yourself for considering WBilletShitP stop being a faggot and get a real military rifle like beryl or m90, even Meridians soon to be released 101 will be better than WBP garbage
>>645391105.56 aks are still kind of a novelty, with the Beryl being the exception, but they're gone for the time being, unless you look at the used market. That said I don't think a Pioneer 556 would be that bad. Certainly cheaper than WBP. I have around 900 rounds on my Pioneer, just waiting for the firing pin to inevitably break.>does a wood or plum foregrip work better for managing heat?It's gonna get hot regardless.>what 5.56mm ak mags should I avoid for it?Avoid cheap crap like promag, but I can say that the smoke WBP mags and Beryl mags are good to go, the latter being over-priced. The best bang-for-the-buck 556 mags are the Bulgarian ones sold at gunmagwarehouse. Some like the AC Unity mags but I have no experience with them.
>>64522808Sorry if this has been asked, but where did you get the okp from?
>>64539110ignore these retards, WBP is pretty decent, I will say there have been numerous reports of 556 WBPs having very VERY bad accuracy, but worse case you can probably just RMA it. I'd consider a zastava M90 or M85 as an alternative 556 option, beryl is also gtg as well as like a sam5 or something. WBP will probably be ok.I'd say get a 100 modelget whatever aesthetics you likebest 556 AK mags imo right now are the bulgarian polymer ones from gunmag warehouse, theyre like 20 bucks and work well
>>64539399is AOA finally out for the year? I though they still had Beryls
>>64539214>>64539393they got mad
>>64539976Yes but they had some "layaway cancelations" appear and promptly sold out. Beryl is being phased out in Poland but someone said the premium they are making on these rifles almost guarantees they'll be made and imported again.
>>64539988AoA has said multiple times to.me in emails and other communications they are getting more Beryls next summer. I fucking hate people like Henry at 9 Hole pushed the 'Dood they are never being imported again' narrative. Also t m k they still offer the Beryl for export sales. I think Nigeria is making the 7.62 model currently.
>>64539627CHYNA
>>64530899for your considerationhttps://fattactical.com/product/ak-side-folder-kit/
>>64541067>Illinois Surprised they can even think about gun parts in that godforsaken state.
what the hell even is that hanguard
>>64536738>more unobtanium I will never get to so much as see in person =(What furniture set/country is that from? Also seeing shit like that is a reminder that I need to play with materials more. The follower, spring, baseplate, and inserts may not be feasible (although you could mold followers or go the route of 5.45->5.56 conversion kits and print the follower) but damn it if it isn't tempting to play with resins and see what's possible at home. Understanding the texture, swirls, and even mild chattoyance of some of the additives for bakelites/phenolic resins and how to replicate them will be a bitch even if I find a reasonably good resin, however. It's also pretty damn expensive as just the silicone/urethane to make a mold, the resin to pour, and the rest like the mixing cups/mix sticks/release costs about $100 all together if you buy the first two in trial size, and that's not including colorants or additives. Cheaping out with mystery brand materials is not something I'd want to do either as what's the fucking point if it can't handle heat or fades in like 3 years?
>>64541243>yes, I want my AK to look like it's straight out of MW2 (2009) but black instead of tan>>64541248It took me a while but that's actually the wall hook it's hanging on I think. Still funky even when you finally see past that, however. What the fuck is even that receiver, though? I know the handguard overlaps, I think, but what's that funny little triangular bulge?
>got an ak>then got a smersh>now i have a gorkaoh yeah this fucking rapes
>>64541674I think the receiver's based on the Micro Galil, which as a bunch of extra material milled off for lightening purposes (going even beyond the original Galil/Valmet's diagonal cut at the magazine).It's hard to tell from that image, but the triangular bit might not be a bulge, but a depression - in which case it's just even more material milled off, as seen on the Galil ACE (or the Type 2/3 AK-47s, which had a more rectangular example of that)
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>>64539399>That said I don't think a Pioneer 556 would be that bad.A Pioneer 5.56mm would be fine for shooting paper at short range like I'm going to, but I'm believe in "buy once, cry once". Plus, it'll be a Christmas gift to myself, so I don't mind spending extra to get something good.
Got sold a couple years ago. Every not and then you can catch it on the AK guys gun wall.
Fancy a donut, /ak/?
>>64541250>Wearing face paint when your face is already camoflaged
Is this rust or factory grease? Got this 92 years ago
>>64542537
>>64542537>Got this 92 years agoHow'd you get an AK in 1933?Use some solvent on a rag and see if it wipes off. Looks like burnt oil/grease to me though.
Anyone have experience with CNC Warrior buttstocks? Been considering replacing the cheap wood stock on my WASR with the Tubular Right Side folding stock. I use a side rail for optic mounting so right side folding seemed convenient compared to every other folding stock option I've seen.
>>64542561It doesn’t wipe off with solvent, does that mean rust?
>>64542571That’s the same one I asked about. Not much info about how they are to shoot that I’ve found
>>64542586to me it doesn't look like rust, it could just be really burnt on there caked on. Fine brass or bronze wool with some gun oil should clean up either
I think my next gun may be an AK. I’m not really into guns like I used to be, but idk, we’ll see.Out of curiosity, what’s the cheapest you guys think I could probably buy a beat up AK off some anon for when that time comes?
the Galil offers a short history lessonhttps://files.catbox.moe/97s2y1.webm
>>64542571>>64542621I am planning on also getting one for a Beryl I own since they look like 90% similar to the Beryl wire stocks, but 100% less shit. They have been around forever. Seriously go look on YT, there are videos on these stocks going back 10+ years. My opinion is that if a product has been around for that long and people haven't reported any major problems or issues they should be gtg. But again I don't own one, so yeah.
>>64542829A used WASR 10. Avoid any WASR made between 2007-2012 or 13. Have fun.
>>64543006I think what is glossed over in that Dovhatty video is the amount of Legions Hadrian took with him. When Caesar had his conquest over Gaul he had 2-3 Legions. Hadrian brought 12 for a rebellion. I guess it goes to show you to not to fuck with a man who lost his Greek twink lover.
>>64543195I'm pissed off too
>>64543006https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2J_OO33JicGinnungagap, Niflheim, MuspelheimIld, is, dråber falderYmir, Jotun, skaber aser
>>64542571>>64542621>>64543165I got a one a while back, picture related. The build quality is solid honestly. The correct folding stock for a Romanian AK though is the wire folder. The correct folding stock for a Beryl is the Beryl stock. Here are links chuddies:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1138450343https://ak-builder.com/index1.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30963For the WASR dude, I would just sack up and get that whole furniture kit. Can't go wrong with a dong and a wire folder on a WASR. While you're at it get this FRT SS kit:https://muffintoptactical.com/AK-Super-Safety-Kit_p_14.html
>>64543213I meant to include this with >>64543195 this. Antinious, Hadrian's Greek Twinkboy lover, was so cherished by him that he deified him after his sudden death. His cult of worship lasted up until Christianity became more mainstream. Hadrian also named a city after Antinious on the Nile called Antinoöpolis (still exists btw). Hadrian was so distraught he delayed his own sisters funeral proceedings because of it. He also had an entire wing of his massive palace built and devoted to Antinious. Finally he also had Obelisks, you know the things that are totally not erect penises built honoring Antinious and one was a center piece in the previously mentioned wing and others t m k placed throughout Rome. I mention all of this because Hadrian had a wife that was alive during all of this. She got to witness all of this. She did receive any of this treatment. I call her the Fujo Empress.
Trying to help a retard friend out and his AK has no markings on it. I'm assuming this likely means it was made from a parts kit right?
>>64543752>She did receivedid not*
>>64541100it'll get better
in what configurations were these types of dongs used besides pic related?
>>64543772and you didn't bother posting a picture either
>>64544042What do you mean? Which specific military models used a dong?
>>64544125yeh, a forward dong
>>64544128Off the topnof my head>Pm md 80/AIMR>Pm md 86/AIMS-74>Pm md 63/65 (WASR, Romy Gs)>Pm md 64/AES-10B paratrooper>Pm md 86>Pm md 90I'm sure i missed a few. Basically any Romanian variant could get a dong.And you got a fixed stock or that wire folder. The few AIMR stocked ones that are out there weren't really made in large numbers.>Any variant that's an underfolder, got a reverse dong
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I bought an AK parts kit a while back, but I’m suddenly realizing after finding a new motivation to build an AK that building an AK is more expensive than I thought and probably past my skill level.The only piece of equipment that I have is a drill press, and a jack press (still would need the actual bottle jack)So parts I would need that I know of is->barrel>front trunnion>rivets>reciever>jigsWould it just be cheaper for me to sell it and buy an AK or get the rest of the parts?
>>64544069Well it doesnt have markings so I didn't think I'd need to. Just asking a general question
>>64544576
>>64544379Unless:>your build is something that cannot be obtained commercially >you are building 5 or 6 guns Then it's probably not worth it. If you have the disposable income its pretty fun though. Although If your kits lacking the front trunnion like you said its already not worth it. Especially if its a basic bitch AKM it would be better to offload it and put that money into a WASR. If you really can't bare to get rid of it maybe you could peep AK-files or weaponsguild to see if someone wants to have a build party and share some tools in your city.
>>64544576>>64544580That shit is mega fucked up yo. I hope its a blank gun or airsoft because it is:>a screw build>missing front trunnion rivets>rear trunnion is pinned or something instead of screws or rivets, they're literally doing nothing because they are recessed into the receiver >trigger axis pins are weird your friend is lying to you about it being real
Besides the OKP (eBay), IP87 (PDS1), and VZOR-1 (MDS3), what other Russian optics have been cloned that are now obtainable?
>>64544603Could be true lmao. Said he hasn't shot it yet and someone sold it to him in a private sale. Also refuses to say how much it cost
>>645446061P76
>>64544729>1P76I'm assuming this can be found on ebay?
>>64543622>>64543622No go on the super safety unfortunately, FL fudds strike again. The wire folder isn't going to accomplish what I'm looking for (folding with optic mounted), that's why I was looking at the CNC warrior to begin with. Have been considering a dong desu, I bought one not long after I bought the rifle but lost it in a move. Thanks for the feedback on the stock.
>>64543006dangerously based
>>64542371That's really fucking cool anon. Sorry you sold it but I'm sure you had a good reason.
>>64544379Send it off to be built. It'll cost you $400-$600 which is conveniently about the same price as a set of tools needed for AK builds. Plus, you (the retard) won't be building it!
>>64544848yeppers
>>64544576This looks like airsoft.In any case do not buy it lmfao.
>>64544379Anon, unless you are a major autist and must have it your way to the exact specific type of rivets you used, just send it off to get it built by a professional (not you).
>>64545143Oh yeah, I wasn't. Pics of friends gun i was just trying to find manufacture of. Or "gun"
I still enjoy my WBP Fox and based NIW Polish magazines
>>64545142ANOTHER copy? Is it from the same guys?
>>64544606Excellent question. IMO the PDS-1 and MDS-3 are a solid leap and bound better than the OKP-7 clone. The OCP-7 clone needs to be improved, and then it would be solid. >>64544954>folding with optic mountBruh wire folder folds to the right...>>64545142>>64545508FWIW I heard these are quite bad.
>>64544576Fucking screw build. WTF.
>>64544580That barrel pin looks odd. I wouldn't shoot it.
>>64544576>>64544580looks range ready bro
>>64521722How big is your "don't shoot" ammo stash?
>>64546753Forgot pic
>>64546755Pretty impressive but you are lacking Lapua 7.62x39.
>>64546755>Z-Max is now treasured in the same league as Norinco yellow boxI know hindsight is crystal clear, but this would've been helpful to know back when the stuff was just sitting around stores by the pallet.
>>64547253Just wait for 10 years from now when GT is selling for 5-10/rd
>>64546755>>64546753I've got 360rnd of Vympel primer and neck sealed steel cased 7.62x39, of which 260 rounds is Golden Tiger, and 100rnds is 124gr HPBT 8V3 (NOT (8m3)) Red Army Standard. This is what I would call "tier 2" defensive/stash ammo, not for blasting. I need to fill this stash out more closer to 1k-2k, but as we know, more is always better and it is never enough.The issue is finding good Russian military 7.62x39 isn't easy any more. I am curious about this stuff. I like that it is doubled sealed, but I'm curious about consistency, velocity, and terminal effect of a basic FMJ:https://www.theamericanmarksman.com/arsenal-762x39-122-gr-fmj-20-ct.html
Did an hour or so of research trying to find country of origin for a bunch of different x39 ammo that can still be purchased from vendors, so things like Baranaul and Bear are off the list. I made this personal reasons, but maybe it'll be helpful to someone here. I'm sure I missed a couple, but this should cover like 95% of them. The source for the country of origin is either 2 or more vendor listing stating the country, or finding a photo of the box stating it. Norma Tactical is the only one I couldn't find a definitive answer on. I thought TelaAmmo being made in Azerbaijan and MARK-1 being made in Macedonia where particularly interesting.AAC/Soviet Arms/Palmetto - USAArsenal - BulgariaBelom - SerbiaFederal - USAFiocchi Range Dynamics - USA ("Loaded in the USA" per box)Frontier - USAGrom - PolandIgman - Bosnia and HerzegovinaHornandy Black - USAKaiser - TurkeyMARK-1 - North MacedoniaMaxxTech - Bosnia and HerzegovinaMFS - HungaryNorma Tactical - Hungary(?)PMC - South KoreaPrvi Partizan(PPU) - SerbiaRed Army Standard - Russia (at least old stock)Sellier & Bellot - Czech RepublicSterling - TurkeySupernova - USATelaAmmo - AzerbaijanWinchester - USAWolf Military Classic - Russia (at least old stock)
Well I went with the Bonesteel. It came really fast despite the guy saying it would take two weeks, it came in a couple days. Got some Polish handguards that someone linked above.
>>64548562Looks sweet, get a bayo.
>>64548562That bonesteel one looks really nice. I'm surprised honestly.Now paint it, the bare parkerizing Century uses is dogwater. I like this paint personally and I painted my WASR with it too
>>64548562WASR in question
>>64546753idk my crates I guess
>>64549579Damn forgot the pic
Can you retrofit a surplus AK sling with a QD swivel? I want the classic look but the mounting to be QD, has anyone tried this?
>>64542571I jave their brace on my m85. Theyre comfortable as fuck, lock up is solid, and it feels like it belongs as part of the gun. If its a fixed syock akm get a wore folder. Dont cut your tang for a stock. But the brace is great.
>>64549629As long as you can pull the ends of a sling out of the adjuster and slip the old clips/whatever off then sure, I don't see why not. Might have to cut some thread to get some hardware off as I've seen a couple with hardware thrown on and the end sewn down after being folded over (IIRC Romanian leather AK slings?). Then you just buy the QD swivels on the oval loops from Magpul and throw them on, hand sew whatever you undid if necessary. Frankly, though, like 99% of all surplus slings fucking suck IMO. Too short. Too stiff. Hardware sucks. The only surplus sling I ever liked using was a silent sling on an M4 style rifle, oddly enough. As much as I hate to say it, pretty much every one of my rifles is getting a Magpul MS-something sling with or without QD depending on the rifle in black or green. Just the most practical IMO even if it is kinda boring.Also, how are you going to QD the AK? I'm sure aftermarket handguards have cups but then the rear either needs an aftermarket stock or cup hardware installed if that's even a thing you can buy (or yank out of something else). Also fug didn't /gq/ or /pfg/ have some anons DIY-ing slings? I could be wrong or this could've been years ago.
>>64549774>cut some thread to get some hardwareI had a feeling this would involve the sewed part being removed, I have a bunch of surplus slings lying around and thought I can get some use out of them, you are right about surplus slings sucking in every way but the aesthetics of being clone correct looks nice. I think I'm just going to settle with wrapping the rear around the stock and call it.
>>64544576do not shoot that fucking gun without wearing face protectionwhen ARs fail, they generally fail 'safely' with it exploding away from the face or just in your left hand, when AKs fail they can send the bolt flying back into your face and the explosion goes into your face, they become grenades
>>64544606the pk-a and the 1p76, along with a few scopes that i didnt dig into much
>>64545142>>64545508the ones on ebay are overpriced, and look for the ones with markings on the rail (the part that says PAKYPC-A and the little symbol), as i've heard they're better builtas far as i know you can only get the higher quality ones directly from chinahttps://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809015827842.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt
>>64541261>>64541263Fuck man this thing looked so cool
>>64521775You have to peel orange before it is eatenThere is nothing wrong with gun
>>64548674Quiet you
>>64550008>as far as i know you can only get the higher quality ones directly from ChinaHow does that work with tariffs nowadays? There's a store in Hong Kong selling some obscure Zenitco reproduction stuff but I have no idea how much I'd be paying nor how I'd be paying it.
>>64551275I miss him so much toobz
>>64548562Not terrible. >>64549629>>64549774>>64549808So with enough triglides and other misc hardware you basically can do whatever you want. Personally I don't mind the metal riveted on spring clasps. They're rotation limited and look the part. Recently I went through several of my comblock guns, Chinese Type 56 SKS, Chinese Type 56 stamped AK, Romanian kit build PM md. 90, and East German inspired romanian parts kit build, and took legit surplus historical slings and cannibalized Blue Force Gear Vickers slings to get nice modern slider adjustments, but tried to keep as much of the original hardware and material as possible. They're not as nice and smooth as just a modern vickers, but they work well enough IMO.
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>>64549629>>64549774>>64549808Finished product.
>>64551615Thanks for sharing, look pretty clean.
>>64551645It worked very well on both the chinese surplus slings I did, and on the surplus east german sling I did. On the surplus romanian canvas/nylon green sling it is a bit tight, but does adjust. here is it done to a Romanian 90s and on sling. I would be super curious to see if it works with the romanian leather slings actually.
>>64548562Did you get a left or right hand folder?
Anyone know how much Tantal upper handguards go for?
>>64522834Russia seems to like their plastic furniture now, especially with the 101 series on up, but Romania and Serbia still (correctly) use wood furniture on most of their rifles. So it varies based on who makes it.
>>64552161Left, mostly because I wanted the meme of have unobstructed access to controls while folded. I know it will limit optics mounting options, but I’m not really convinced I’m going to get one anyway as I have an AR I want to save up to get an ACOG for
>>64552244That was my logic too on wanting a left hand folder. Problem for me is I am left handed so I can't fire it folded.
>>64545130I've got two more of the amp-69 kits. Plus this sold for over 10k
>gamble with Kazakh dropshipper and buy zenitco>customs niggers seize itGuess I learned my lesson but fuck those guys
>>64552623Lel. How much are you out? >Post seizure letter.
>>64552623Should have paid the extra for discreet shipping.
>>64544576It’s fine, ignore the fools poo pooing screw builds. All of the force of the round is locked up in the front trunny. So long as it’s headspaced it’ll fire. Only concern is over time your front trunny is going to probably loosen (shearing) and the bolt carrier may mash too hard into the rear trunny and make your gun fall apart. Otherwise that’s fine. I’ve done stamped rewelds, nothing you cannot do safely.
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>>64552652569 dubloons. This happened a while ago so I dont have a letter, but here's an email about it
Any recommendations on suppressing an AK-74 firing primarily 7N6? I imagine you'd have to spend extra attention to cleaning the can to reduce corrosive salt buildup. I already own an RC2, but I don't want to shit that up.>inb4 just buy a 5.56 arsenal
>>64553541>gibbs medat
Probably a dumb question but I'll ask anyway. Does the buttstock of an m70 fit on an m72? I don't like the look of the newer style they are putting on the rpks and want a more traditional look. I figure it does since they are much the same but I'm not familiar with yugos. Thanks.
>>64554442To my knowledge the original M72 stock was the exact same as an m70. It will fit a surplus m70 stock if you cant find a M72 stock. If you're really looking for the classic look, get a surplus pistol grip as well. Clean that rpk up from the zoomer pap disease.
>>64554442They're the same, stamped M70 have the same rear trunnion as stamped M72, so stocks interchange.
>>64554464>>64554476Cool, i'll grab one soon then. I've already got a classic yugo pistol grip. Gonna try to match the handguards and buttstock best i can. Or just sand and refinish both probably.
>>64553858>inb4 just buy a 5.56 arsenalI would never recommend an arsenal of any caliber
Is the Century Arms 12.25" barrel Draco good to go? Not the VSKA variant. I am on the fence between either a Draco or a AR pistol. I do like the AR pistol idea due to compatibility between existing supplies (ammo, magazines), but the buffer tube length kinda ruins the point of a transportable firearm. I know the draco can be considered kind of a meme but I wanted to ask if anyone had any solid recommendations. I've heard there is a Romainian variant to look for and that the USA ones arent good.
>>64555268Honestly the ZPAP92 is a lot better than the Cugir Draco if you want something along those lines. Not sure what the prices are like right now due to the Serbian arms export pause.
>>64555433Gotcha. With those is there a preferred barrel length? Unltimately is it worth purchasing one of those now, considering the geopolitical state of the world? Like is ammo for that relatively stable? I dont want to buy it and it be something not practical. I know there is a 5.56 variant but yeah, just indecisive I guess. I bounce back and forth between the AR pistol and compact AKM offerings. I already own an AR and part of me thinks I'd get bored of the same thing just in a pistol format.
how are these stocks? was this ever in military use?
>>64530403My excitement is immeasurable and my month is saved. I have been autistically fiending for a Tabuk Rook MB for like 4 years, and only one other anon on here has had the arcane magical knowledge to point me in the right direction when looking for one. if thats you, fellow retard, then bless you.
>>64556032
>>64556032yes you dumb idiot stupid head
>>64556777you alright there
>>64553226>screw buildsNot even once.
>>64556892Other side because lol lmao
>>64556892If it works it works. He has no front trunny rivets aside from the magwell one. A bold, yet curious choice.
>>64555268The Draco is made by Cugir, not by Century, just imported by Century, which is a good thing. It is a good AK, with a brace or stock. With 12.5" barrel ypu get complete powder burn from the 7.62x39 round, and lose barely any muzzle velocity compared to a 16" barrel. It would be a good option for a short AK. A M92 is also a good choice like the other anon said. I have a M92 simply because that is what was avaliable when I was at the gun store but I want to get both eventually. You can't go wrong with either one.
>>64557483>>64553226Screws aren't interchangeable with rivets and you shouldn't spend money on a build done with screws unless you're going to fix it. Screws will loosen over time, much faster than rivets and good luck re-tightening them unless you press the barrel out to reach the backs of them. Better hope your shoddy builder used locktite and didn't screw up anything else lol. Screws are also inferior at resisting shear force just due to their geometry. A rivet shaft will expand to fill empty space in the hole and therefore has less room to wiggle and become lose. A screw on the other hand can never contribute stability that way because its size is always limited to the major thread diameter or shank depending on the type. It's just wiggling around in the hole loose contributing nothing to sharing the load, held in place only by the compression force from the head and nut. Rivets are better. Screws can be used to secure parts like trunnions but they're usually tapped directly into the part itself rather than with a nut. They also use tapered heads to maximize surface area contributing to stability. Even a weld would be better than a screw but those are dubious too because you're altering the heat treatment of the part. Again, some firearms use welds to secure similar parts like the G3/CETME but the parts are designed in a way that's intended for that purpose. You don't want your heat affected zone touching something important like the lug or main bore because it could cause a track. Rewelders have to pay extra attention to those spots. >If it works it workswell things should be better than just "works" it should be reliable and last for a while.
>>64555536The Draco has a slightly longer 12 1/2 inch barrel which burns all the powder in the 7.62 round. M92 is shorter at i think 10 or 10 1/2. Still good velocity. 7.62x39 does really well out of short barrels compared to other rounds like 5.56.Also 7.62 ammo is still plentiful, just not as cheap as it used to be. About double in price now from what it was pre 'rona. Both have chrome line barrels, and both will suit your needs.Keep in mind the Draco is a standard akm pattern, and the m92 is yugo specific, so handgaurds and muzzle devices will need to be made for yugo AKs if you get an m92. Not a problem, lots of options out there, just keep it in mind.Also the m92 has a krink style hinged cover and rear sight. The Draco has a standard akm dust cover which will be easier to swap for aftermarket options if you want, or easier time fitting optics if you put a side rail on it instead of going with some sort of railed dust cover like TWS or Zenit and copies.
>>64558423Awesome, thanks for your suggestion. I will most likely snag that 12.25" and a Holosun HE510C-GR, and either recycle the CSS scout rail I got that didnt fit my JTS M12AK-T1 or go with one of the Attero rails. The Attero ones look really nice comparted to the CSS one. Is there a way to find the one with the plain furniture with the 1913 rail already attached for the brace? I see the Russian Red furniture ones have it but idk how i like the red. Maybe it can be installed relatively easily. Yeah for a bit there I was just considering the AR pistol but I didnt know how I felt about that. The next AR platform will probably be an AR-10. Thanks again.
>>64558598Thank you. Yeah the one thing I learned with my first venture into AKM stuff (JTS M12AK-T1) was that things are very very particular on fitment with this platform. Yeah the whole point of this potential project was to have a backpack PDW sort of thing if im ever traveling and have to shelter in place, etc. Stronger than 9mm, compact and allows me to retreat to a safer location. At least in my head.
>>64558609Hello, different anon here. I also have a JTS M12AK. I'll say that yes, while hand fitting is a skill required for AK ownership, the JTS AK is pretty extreme with regards to that. Nothing on the JTS is very "standard" It doesn't like saiga mags and I had to lap the bolt carrier cam groove to even get to cycle. Few other AK's have been as rough as the JTS
>people worrying about ammo prices>im still trying to sell 1.5k rounds and my AKWhere are these desperate buyers when you need them
>>64558650Yeah. My whole gripe with JTS was that most likely the majority of people buying those are buying them because they missed the Vepr/Saiga bus and dont want to pay ridiculuous prices for used firearms. So at that point why not just pick one and... make it an accurate clone. They're coming out of China(Norinco), its not like they dont have the capability. Hell, the Lynx seemed to be decent, it didnt have a long run though. Its like, yeah I get it you're making proprietary stuff but youre making proprietary stuff off of an already loose platform with extremely loose tolerances. Don't get me wrong, I love mine and its been fine but there's literally no aftermarket really.
>>64558672Yeah I like mine too but I bought it understanding that it was going to be a project gun. The JTS seems to have been designed to skirt sanctions and to be easily assembled in the US. I waiting for the January NFA update to SBS mine. Once I have time I'll test out some VEPR and RPK handguards because like you said the aftermarket has like 3 item and that's it
>>64558495Yes that’s right. Screw build will not kill you and it’ll loosen over time. Now how about stamped rewelds?
>>64559817>how about stamped rewelds?Worse than milled rewelds. Personally I don't think its worth the effort. I think its easier to just replace the receiver unless you're trying extra hard to save markings that can just be laser etched onto a new receiver anyway. I mean cool if you can do it, I'd rather just replace the receiver
>>64559037>Once I have time I'll test out some VEPR and RPK handguardsKinda curious about switching out the furniture. This is so stupid, but I wonder if wood furniture is a thing for that. I like the traditional AK look, even though it is very much not a traditional AK.
>>64530899I know people are talking shit, but I have that stock for my VZ58 and the pistol brace version for my shitty PSA AK-V. It's an excellent product.
>>64542571I have one for my VZ58 and a brace for my AK-V. They're legit really good. I don't get why they don't get more attention.
Planning to sell a converted Saiga in 7.62, how much do they go for these days? Gunbroker seems to have them around 1.2k at the lowest but they vary wildly
>>64560652I'll give you $0.25
>>64556892>>64556898What the fuck is going on with the finish of the receiver? It looks diseased
>>64558672>They're coming out of China(Norinco)Actually, it's "Chongqing Jianshe Industry (Group) Co., LTD" at least, that's what mine is marked with. It's not the T1, T2, or EM-12B. I don't think the evidence supports it being a Norinco product.Chinese corporate structures are rather opaque in Western sources, but here's what I've been able to figure out, since I was curious too:Some time, in the 90s, "China Ordnance Industry Corporation (COIC/Norinco)" split into two entities: "China North Industries Group Corporation" AKA Norinco Group and "China South Industries Group Corporation." AKA CSGC. Obviously the CCP has the authority to do this since COIC was a state enterprise. Chongqing Jianshe is a subsidiary of CSGC.Chongqing Jianshe are one of the successors to Hanyang Arsenal, which through the course of Japanese Invasion and Chinese Revolution split into Jianshe and "3303 Arsenal." Jianshe which (I think) in the 80s was called "Jianshe Machine Tool" was tooled up to build Type 56s (SKS) and were later designated Factory 296, AKA Factory 26. So, in essence, Chongqing Jianshe Industry (Group) as the following history:Hanyang Arsenal -> Jianshe Machine Tool -> Factory 26/296 -> Chongqing Jianshe Industry (Group) Co., LTDWith ownership being:precommunist-china -> COIC -> CSGCI can't determine when Jianshe became a subsidiary of CSGC, but it certainly would have been well before M12AKs were being produced. For this reason, I think it's more accurate to call it CSGC product rather than a NORINCO one. South and North are definitely related, but the evidence doesn't seem to indicate the guns are coming out of a Norinco factory. I suppose it's possible that Norinco produces parts or subassemblies, but given the manufacturing giant that CSGC is, I don't think they really need the help, and this is more speculative than anything. My autism hasn't unlocked a full understanding of Chinese defense corporation structures yet, but I think this info is correct.
>>64561202Thank you. I always doubted the claim that they came out of Norinco but It was very difficult to find any information on Jianshe. Maybe its for the best nobody really knows where they come from so its harder for sanctions to get them lol
>>64561227okay why hasn't nobody remade this mag yet?
>>64561501Probably because its a Potemkin-type item, meant to wow normies and not the people who'd actually use it.
>>64525050>I assume that these devices mask the sound less effectively than military grade PBSNot necessarily. PBS-1 is an old-school rubber wipe type silencer that, with US ammo, really reduces signature to the point that action noise is almost as loud as the shot itself. That's hard to beat, but the endurance is ~a mag or two before its bussy is blown out and you have to rebuild it and replace wipes.PBS-4, however, is a more modern baffle-stack can that sacrifices the signature for reliability (and also 5.45 US is so weak that it probably wouldn't work with rubber wipe silencer). Most of the AK cans currently on the market are more of a "tactical suppressor" type, aimed at reasonable signature reduction in heavy combat situations, rather than low-round-count subsonic ninja shit. But there are devices, like Zenitco DTK-4M, that boast signature reduction comparable to rubber wipe designs, and those are restricted to MIL\LE only, at least on the sales side.
>>64561202Thanks for the information, yeah I've read Norinco from several sources in the past but your writeup looks to be the most detailed. I have the T1 version. I started really doing my best to investigate what was going on just because of how vague it all was as far as the companies and ownership and it made me wonder. Generally as well with people making the claim of "turkshit", which obviously anyone who owns one of these or spent more than two seconds reading about it would come to the conculsion that it was not. Pretty interesting stuff. So the extent of my research went basically as, "I've never really heard of Chinese firearms being accessible in the USA, and How reputable/reliable is this firearm.">>64561227Yeah that too, that is a good point. Part of me thinks these will go the same way that the Lynx, Comrade Arms TAK-47, etc, eventually gone from the US market. You would've think one wouldve stuck around for more than a few years by now. Time will tell.
>>64557483Would it be possible to get an FRT to work in one of these semi-only PKMs?
Whats the handguard on the middle AK?
>>64563896Most likely SAG
I don't know if I over torqued my pistol grip screw, it seems like it keep turning no matter what, but is otherwise rock solid. Is it probably fine?
>>64561227>>64562777No prob. I'll post links to and quotes from my sources when I get done with my shift.
>>64564129Why do you suspect over torquing? Do you think you snapped the head of the screw off?
>>64564129Nigga I think its over. have you tried removing it? Hopefully you just ran out of threads before bottoming out the grip but idk nigga. try removing it
>>64564143>>64564142Removes fine it just doesn't ever seem to fully tighten and I don't have a torque wrench so it's just hand tightened
are krinkov style boosters a must have on pistol AKs ?
Longshot question, but does anyone know if Arms Of America ships of Washington state? I read that there are shipping restrictions in the FAQ, but there is no info there.
cool guns are getting banned in my state in january (Virginia), just ordered a SAM7 since I dont have any AKs
>>64565126I dunno if its true but souldve voted more. You didn't and your enemies did.
>>64565329you cant vote your way out of northern virginia having a trillion immigrants
>>64565126>a unlovable
>>64564445no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2J_OO33JicGinnungagap, Niflheim, MuspelheimIld, is, dråber falderYmir, Jotun, skaber aserPJJVN
Happy Thanksgiving /akg/
Ginnungagap, Niflheim, MuspelheimIld, is, dråber falderYmir, Jotun, skaber aser...C'mon, say it with me.
Yeah it is, it's perfect... psh...
What do plum bayonets go for nowadays?
>>64564133As promised:https://press.anu.edu.au/downloads/press/p61661/mobile/ch11s03.html>Demonstrates the split of COIC into Norinco and CSGChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_South_Industries_Group>[CSGC] is a Chinese state-owned manufacturer of automobiles, motorcycles, firearms, vehicle components, and optical-electronic products and other special products domestically and internationally.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanyang_Arsenal>Much of the [Hanyang A]rsenal tooling was moved to Chongqing, where it provided the foundation for later arms production there, with Chongqing Jianshe being one of these manufacturing concerns.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKS>Chinese production of the SKS continued[...] and over nine million had been manufactured as the Type 56 carbine in [...] the 1980s. Eighty Chinese factories [produced] the Type 56 carbine, although the primary production line was established at the Jianshe Machine Tool Factory, officially designated Factory 296.https://web.archive.org/web/20201031125132/https://en.jianshe.com.cn/company.html#w_grid-1574319154657>The Company originated from Hanyang Arsenal founded by Zhang Zhidong, one of top officials in late Qing Dynasty, with a history of more than 130 years. It was listed on Shenzhen Stock Exchange in 1995 (stock code: Jianche B), and is now affiliated to CSGC. The Company owns a wholly-owned subsidiary and 5 equity joint ventures, which specialize in the developing, manufacturing and sales of A/C compressors, motorcycles and their parts.Re-reading it, appears a man name Zhang Zhidong established (and this was probably the original owner) of Hanyang Arsenal, originally naming it "Shimen Firearms Factory."https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/GICDCZ:CH>[Jianshe] manufactures ordnance equipment. The Company mainly develops, produces, and sells military equipment, civilian guns, and more.So, obviously information is a bit fragmentary, but I think it's enough to trace the lineage.
>>64566801More than you can afford, pal.
I've had this Galil AR parts kit since 2016 but I couldn't ever get it across the finish line because I wanted all the parts to be perfect despite the kit being ratfucked and the receiver being AWO garbage. I bought the ARM complete recently and realized that I had already repaired and polished my parts nicer than it was under the paint, so I just did a little finishing work, engraved, and cerakoted it.
>>64565338>bro just give upAh well now I know you're not from here. You can shill all you want, won' make a difference.
>>64567007>Gee Bill. How come your mom lets you have two Galils?
>>64566801around $150
>>64567181Fucking where? Is it also only $300 for a WASR in whatever year you're from?
>>64567196>forgot pic
Where's wire folders?
What's up with these Century build AK63's? Any good?
>>64566892This is very informative, thank you for taking the time to put together all of this. Does this mean that JTS can be viewed as a reptuable and reliable manufacturer of firearms? Like I mentioned earlier, I havent had any problems with mine and I believe >>64559037 hasnt either but from some reviews you'd think they were just absolute garbage and to avoid at all costs. I guess the dissatisfied individuals are the loudest. I guess ultimately I'm trying to find the root of that stigma as well, is it just because they are Chinese? Magazine fed? I genuinely think the people that have had problems just failed to follow instructions.
>>64566892thanks my nizzle>>64567007Nice work. I'm still sitting on mine and it is rather crusty
>>64567497Iirc those are from that era where Century started using good builders to do their kit builds. So they're OK, but US made barrel.
>>64567545Someone is selling one locally for $800, should I go for it?
>>64567536JTS just makes the components. Final assembly is done by the importer in Texas so QC issues might sneak in there. The barrels are chrome lined (and yet very cheap) so they most likely are produced by a state weapons manufacturer.I think its reputation just comes from sharing the same shelf space as turkshit. Most of the other semi-auto shotguns at this price point are genuinely terrible so people might be generalizing a bit too much. Also, Brandon Herrera did a video blowing one up (not a review, he just blew it up with a .50 cal) so that probably didn't help public opinionI did have an issue with cycling. There was a burr in the bolt carrier cam groove that was causing the bolt get stopped up. Ended up smoothing things out with a Dremel stone and lapping compound and then it worked perfectly. I also have a Lynx and the machining on it is leagues above the M12AK. The Lynx never gave me any break in issues. That said I'm happy with it now after smoothing things out and refinishing it. There's a handful of people on forums and youtube that claim to have put upwards of 5,000 rounds through them with no issues.
Is WBP still making their 74 with nitrige barrel? do they have a normal looking 74 without the added stuff? How's the 5.45 situation looking?
>>64567632I love my lynx. I swapped one of the recoil springs out with a factory spec spring (lynx springs are slightly under spec) and it noticeably improved the cycling.
>>64567497>>64567588I bought mine from scamlantic back in the day for $499. By 2019 the few websites that still had them wanted $750 for them. A year or two ago scamlantic had unassembled AK63 kits for like $1k so I guess getting one already assembled for $800 is okay.Century likely outsourced the assembly of thes AK63DS rifles to another builder so they are generally well put together. They use authentic Hungarian bolt, trunnion, and carrier so they won't explode. The only issue is the barrel. Its an American made barrel and mine has no nitriding or chrome lining so it rusts inside the barrel very easily. If you buy it don't shoot corrosive ammo through it. Bayonet lugs should be present and intact on these rifles.The only other underfolder option on the market right now is a Wasr10 for $900 on average so buy the AK63DS if you want to. I like mine.
>>64567588That's not terrible. Is that it? Seems to be well taken care of by the looks of it.
>>64567206Oh yeah they're going to be much higher prices at online stores they all gouge. It's $150 at online AK marketplaces like AK files and the reddit one
>>64567749Yes. May be able to find it somewhere else toohttps://atlanticfirearms.com/wbp-545sr-jack-100-rifle-ak74https://atlanticfirearms.com/wbp-556sr-jack-100-rifle-ak47-5-56
>>64568380You can't even get a chopped up plum bayo for $150. No one on the Files is selling them that cheap, or anywhere else for that matter.
>>64568462Idk I got a Bulgarian 74 bayonet and bakelite AKM bayonet for $210 shipped in September off the AK Files. I went back in my private chats to make sure
>>64568725Ok but, a black bulgy bayo ≠ Russian plum. I think it's partly because of the newer guidelines about demilling them in recent years making them harder to get thus prices skyrocketing.
>>64568744Oh i thought they went for around the same price
>>64567536>Does this mean that JTS can be viewed as a reptuable and reliable manufacturer of firearms?JTS is just the importer (basically), but I get what you mean. Xiaomi cars may not have internal combustion engines, but they do have spontaneous combustion engines. That is to say that just because a large manufacturing concern is producing something, does not mean it's good. I've put 150 rounds of 1600fps 1oz slugs (Federal Premium Law Enforcement) through mine with only one stoppage, but some concerning behavior. Primers had gotten dislodged and sometimes blown out. The stoppage was the result of a blown out primer lodging itself between the piston and dust cover. Additionally, I noticed a very small deformity on the outer edge of the cam track. I just filed it off, and the track itself didn't appear to have any observable deformation. All of this occurred on the lowest gas setting. In the future I'll use lower velocity slugs, just to play it safe, but I'd like to hear others' opinions on this. It's my first semi-auto shotgun, so it's possible I'm just retarded.>I'm trying to find the root of that stigmaSome people had issues because they didn't wipe the factory grease off of the gas puck. Still, I wouldn't totally discount the reviewers, people ITT may have examples of the gun that are reliable, but that doesn't mean every batch coming in was as good as ours. As far as it being Chinese: doubtful. Clearly, many Chinese guns in the US are held in high esteem. That said, outside of 80s & 90s firearms, China has a pretty bad reputation for quality (rightly so 99% of time). There's no denying that the M12Aks are rough. The action on the M12AK feels like sandpaper compared to something like a Vepr. I think combining this with the dirt-cheap price probably biases people against it. I admit I got mine not because I thought it was good, but because I wanted to make sure I got one before a possible ban with geopolitical tensions. $230 out of pawnshop, lol.
>>64567588For $800, I'd say it looks very nice. I'd go for it.
>>64569074To follow up: I'm ultimately very happy with mine. I'll be on the look out for the T1, T2, and EM12-B models. I think the history behind it is interesting and it was fun to research. Obviously Factory 26 is a good lineage to have, even if the entire 80s-era work force there has cycled out by now. Definitely wouldn't take it war, but I'd buy it again.
>>64568744black bulgy still cool though.
Are the bulgarian waffle mags worth $55?https://www.rainierarms.com/arsenal-circle-10-bulgarian-ak-47-waffle-pattern-magazine-30-rd/
>>64569184hopping on this anon's question to ask if these are any good
>>64569184Absolutely not. You can have military mags for far less. Especially if its a fucking 7.62x39 30 rounder>>64569226I've used gun mag warehouses "Bulgarian" polymer mags and they were fine. Needed a lot of filing but they're not unreliable or anything
>>64569226Fine in my experience
>>64569258>>64569251thank you gents
Any chance an AKM super safety would run in a galil style milled receiver? FCG and carrier seem to be milspec aside from the sporter trigger.
>>64549808>>64551588>>64551597>>64551602>>64551615Very nice, great work anon.Reminds me of the Zenitco Poloz series of slings. One of their advantages that's not immediately obvious is that the old-school canvas webbing doesn't melt on contact with the hot barrel of the gun, it just starts charring. If you use your gun at least somewhat seriously and don't run a full-length handguard, that can become an unexpected failure point. Having your rifle drop away into the dirt mid-fight is embarrassing at best.
>>64553380lmaoThe key selling point of Zenitco accessories is that they can be installed and uninstalled cleanly, without interfering with regulated parts of the weapon and making it possible to return your souped-up issue weapon into its stock form to turn it in at the end of your tour. If you're not concerned with service or civilian modification regulations, SAG is a far better choice, offering better rigidity, lighter weight, mlok compatibility and cleaner aesthetics.
>>64569575>Kalash ConcernI hope when this war is over, some of the Russian firearm sanctions are rolled back. Fat chance, I know, but that's a very nice looking rifle, and I'd kill to have a Kalashnikov-brand Kalashnikov.
>>64569575This is really cool I didn't know about SAG. I was bummed that I missed out on zenitshart parts, but I'm glad that there is actually a better option that's US-made.
>>64569575What grip is on that AK?
>>64570669An AK-12 grip
If I'm just getting into AKs now, I'm assuming that I should go 7.62x39, right? Honraday makes 5.45x39 brass cased ammo for $0.77/r, is anybody just shooting that these days?
>>64568449I see they still have Nitride barrel and these extended "features" shame
>>64570904thats what they've always done and i doubt theyre going to change that. I dont think WBP cares about cloning stuff other than AKM pattern
>>645707155.56x45 AK will be cheaper per round to shoot than 7.62x39. It depends what you want.5.56x45:Similar looks to 5.45x39 AKsSubstantially cheaper to shootMore ammo variety in stores>Generally more expensive magazines >Magazines usually proprietary (unless you do something like an M85NP), less variety per model>Replacement parts less common (shouldn't be too big of a concern, though)7.62x39:Authentic, original caliberGreatest variety of models with the best aftermarket supportInexpensive magazines everywhere new and surplus, generally excellent compatibility between mag models with lots of variety of mag models to pick from>Substantially more expensive per round (~44cpr vs ~25cpr 5.56)>Ammo weighs more (~123gr vs 55gr 5.56), and generally less ammo variety than 5.56>Expect to need some hand-fitting of aftermarket parts: milled vs stamped, rpk style vs AKM style, some variance in receiver geometry depending on country. (Truthfully, this is something to probably expect regardless of caliber)I like 7.62x39. It makes my Soviet LARP sessions innawoods feel more authentic. I think you can feasibly start with either of these calibers. Worth noting TelaAmmo (Azerbaijani state factory in origin) imports 5.45x39 and it "only" costs 60cpr. Tela seems to be the only "cheap" source of 5.45. So if Azerbaijan decides they're all done exporting to the US, or the US decides to sanction Azerbaijan in some future conflict for whatever reason, expect 5.45 at reasonable prices to disappear for a few years again. Additionally, there seems to be some evidence the TelaAmmo is slightly corrosive, despite their claims of being noncorrosive. Clean your firearm well and flush it with water after shooting, and it will be no problem. Just don't be slack in doing so. If you want a 74, I think that's reasonable course of action as well.
>>64571137Cool, thanks for the info. I think I'll go for 7.62x39 because it's something neat and different from my AR in 5.56x45.
>>64571236If you ever decide to get a 5.56 AK, Gunmagwarehouse has the Bulgarian mags that are around 15 bucks each, they're pretty good mags too. They do also have good 7.62x39 mags of the same kind if you're looking for some to try.
Saw on a local listing an SLR-105, AK knowledge about certain variants is not my expertise but would that be clone correct for an AK-105 (100 series)?
>>64572590not unless you shortened the barrel and swapped the gas block for one with a front sight post. ak-105 is specifically carbine, 12.something inch barrel 5.45
How low does /akg/ think I could haggle this down? This guy is asking $6500 for a NIB SGL21-94.
>>64572854https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1137837570
>>64572590It's not a 105. It's just standard.
>>64572854Not worth any amount he would take. it's a 1100 dollar AK at most. >Muh collector valueI don't know if this has any, but it's not worth it unless it has the cum stains of Kalashnikov himself on it.
>>64572854>https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1137837570>>64572854I would shoot for $5,500, but I doubt he'd budge a penny below that. A few questions to ask yourself here before paying this kind of money:1. It may be listed as NIB, but do you actually have a reason to believe this beyond the seller's claiming it so? I essentially treat every claim of "NIB" or "Unfired" as false and ask myself if I'd still buy at that price.2. Let's assume the absolute best case scenario and you get it for $5,500. Are you sure you actually want to spend this kind of money on it? Yes, Russian AKs are/where the standard by which all other AKs were judged, and for good reason, but even a couple years into the import ban, good condition examples where <$1500. $5,500 represents about 1/12 of the yearly salary of the average white male in America.3.Are you sure you wouldn't be just as happy with a different Russian AK? For example, many 7.62x39 Veprs are still <=$3000.00. This is still a huge sum, but it's less than half the price of your listing's starting bid. You could always find 103-style furniture to put on it. I know it's not quite the same, but it's worth considering.4. What will you do with this rifle? Will you leave it unfired as an investment piece, or are you going to bring it to the range? Keep in mind, the first round you fire through that gun could cost you upward of $1000.00 if the gun is actually unfired.I don't want to discourage you. If you truly are in love with the rifle, and you can afford it responsibly, then I'd say make your play and see if the seller is game. However, given the large sum of money involved, you may want to make sure you have answers to these questions before you move forward. Additionally, I would ask for pictures of the bore. For that price, that bore better be spotless. If you spot even a flake of corrosion or the seller is unwilling to comply, I'd say it's 100% a no go at $6500 with an NIB claim.
>>64572860And one more thing. The odds are minuscule at best, but following the conclusion of the Russo-Ukrainian war, it is possible we could see the import bans on Russian guns go away as part of a peace deal negotiation. To me it seems unlikely, but where that to happen, we could star to see sub $2000 Russian AKs again. Again: I doubt this will happen, but I suppose it's at least worth a cursory thought.
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