How good are the SU-30s and the F-16s that Venezuela has? Are they a threat to the U.S. carrier U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford? Could they they put up a fight against the jets that the Ford is launching, whatever they are?
>>64564715>How good are the SU-30s and the F-16s that Venezuela has? not veryAre they a threat to the U.S. carrier U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford? noCould they they put up a fight against the jets that the Ford is launching, whatever they are?noany other asinine questions?
>>64564734Doesn't the U.S. still have F-16s?
>>64564715Venezuelas F-16s are basic bitch A/Bs that haven't even been upgraded to MLU standard. They are ancient, from 1983, can't fire BVR, and lack spares since Burgerland has banned arms sales to the country in 2006. It's a miracle they are flying at all.The Rugerian planes aren't doing much better in terms of mainteinance and spares but I guess they have some more "modern" weapons systems at least. R-73s and R-77s which means BVR.Still, no AESA, poorly maintained, old planes they would be sitting ducks against any half decent airforce.
>>64564805Spare parts for Venezuelan F-16s mostly come by way of the Israelis, you come across news that say the deals didn't go through after the 2006 ban, but AFAIK they did. IIRC no BVR upgrades though, but there are at least 4 in working order.
>>64564772Not ones that old. The US also has much newer and better missiles to put on them.
>>64564715Lol. LMAO, even.
>>64564824
Is there any chance China or Russia has given them Hypersonic antiship missiles?
>>64564715I'd be more worried about the flankers than the vipers since they're legacy models>>64564824Of course they did.
>>64564715No, not outside of falling debris. F-35s are good enough to literally walk up on multiple S-400/300 batteries and destroy them with 0 threat. Their only worth is in the cost of the singular missile they will cost to kill. America is a hegemon for a reason.
>>64564715I don't think we're gonna make it, Bolivarbros.
KBros, I just found out they also have a few operational F-5s. How good are those?
>>64564734Thirdies do not comprehend combined arms or why a "carrier group" is more than just a bunch of boats that hang out together.
>>64564715Unfortunately the most likely scenario is that the Bolivarian airforce are killed on the ground at like 3 in the morning, the 22 and 35 will still not have a manned aircraft kill :’(>>64564935What site is that?
>>64565327RealMost kills will be cruise missiles and drones unfortunately.
>>64564892Considering neither of them have them themselves; No.
>>64564935Damn, they would get absolutely steamrolled, even without a coalition.
>>64565327Hopefully they will circle after an initial strike to see if anyone is dumb enough to actually launch in response.
>>64564892do you want to get nuked, that's how you get nuked
>>64564715No and no.Best case scenario: they get blown up on the ground and no pilot dies.
You motherfuckers be underestimating the capabilities of some of these pilots! Remember during the Gulf War when that one Mig-25 got in the air and started painting the fuck out of the strike package and broke them up and then shot down the F/A-18 Hornet? The Navy was so embarrassed for years they tried to claim it was a SAM that took it out.
>>64564715>How good are the SU-30s and the F-16s that Venezuela has?they're perfectly fine for posturing and not getting into any fights which is what exactly is happening between both countries. If anything, sea drones would be a bigger threat>>64564935True, however one was an open desert and this is basically jungle with favelas sprinkled around. The guerilla warfare will be Vietnam tier. Add on the use of drones and you have a recipe for an insanely prolonged and casulty intense conflict for both sides. I'm not saying Venezuela is going to win, but it will be extremely messy.
>>64564715The question isn't whether or not those fighter jeets are capableThe real question is if their performance hasn't been affected by the INSANE corruption of the venezuelan military and government, and their trainwreck of economy.
>>64565621>1 mig-25 for 1 legacy hornetCompletely ignoring the disparity between counties that is an awful trade
>>64564715>Could they they put up a fight against the jets that the Ford is launchingThe spics wouldn't even know they're in a fight until their RWR starts screaming. Assuming whatever vintage set on an old A is still functional. And assuming the F-35s weren't launching fox 2/3 in which case the browns die without ever knowing what happened. In any event, the Ford carries more fighters than the thirdies have, let alone actually functional aircraft.TLDR: No and it would be a turkey shoot for the US pilots.
>>64565624>The guerilla warfare will be Vietnam tierLiterally no one wants to die for maduro's expensive lifestyle at the cost of the people's miserySeriously not even communist guerrillas in latin america like maduro.
>>64565633>everyone in this image is dead
>>64564715>imperial thuggery>'what about russias invasion of ukraine?'>'nooo thats different'kill all tankies
>>64564715they bought the weapons before the economic collapse, dont think they invested much on defense during the last decade
>>64564935>8 million militia (claimed)lmao
>>64565639>Seriously not even communist guerrillas in latin america like maduro.It's quite different between criticizing your leader and allying with literal enemy who will be killing your people should the war start. We have hindsight of witnessing that Guiado shitty little coup USA tried to pull few years ago. I don't think anyone will fall for your baseless lies of "the population does not support x" that is being sad every single time. These invasions only work if USA actually invades, somehow there is never enough of a majority within the population of people against the Dictator of the month to displace him without US intervention
>>64565671Trump would never approve a boots on the ground invasion. Too unpopular. You'd just eat your shitty GDP several times over in missiles and bombs, from aircraft and ships you can't even threaten, while all you browns could do is cope and seethe.
>>64564715According to this George guy who works for Sukhoi, Venezuela operates one of the worst Su-27 derivatives in existence.
>>64564715Somebody get on twitter and tell that clown that he's looking at the ENTIRE venezuelan F-16 and Su-30 collection.That's it that's all they have.
>>64564772That's like asking why can't your shitbox PC from 2012 run Helldivers 2 while a high end new one could handle three instances in parallel. F-16s get modernized a lot
>>64565685Never going to happen. Political implications of just bombing a country for sake of it are unlimited and the only way to justify it would be to go after oil which would require troops on the ground. But hey, keep imagining some fake dreams scenario where you win in a based way
>>64564715>r-ready to defendOh my god it’s so cute, these kinds of contrarians genuinely think they have a chance.
>>64564892>le hypersonicRetarded meme word, so if they did, it wouldn’t make much of a difference.
>>64565621>painting the fuck out of>shot down one single jetSpooky
>>64564772Until recently, Iran still had F-14 but even they weren't idiotic enough to think they could match Israel's F-16 in a fight.The plane alone isn't much. You got to have the equipment, intelligence and logistics around it to get the most out of it.>>64565621>then shot down the F/A-18 HornetIf toppling a dictator comes at the cost of a single air combat loss, I think the USA will go for it.
>>64565730>Never going to happen.>Political implications of just bombing a country for sake of it are unlimited>and the only way to justify it...Trump already bombed Yemen, Somalia and Iran and that's in less than a year of presidency. Not even sure that assassination by drone strikes have stopped either but even without them, the USA have a recent history of bombing places for the hell of it.
>>64565624The U.S. is absolutely not going to engage in a ground invasion, they don't have the amount of troops necessary in position. This is going to be a Serbia-style airforce curbstomping operation to humiliate and depose Maduro.
>>64565624>The guerrilla warfare will be Vietnam tierThe question is whether there's any potential for guerrillas to begin with.In Iraq it was mostly religious fundamentalists which carried the insurgency. Imho it's more likely that remnants of Maduro's security apparatus will simply become drug lords after the US invades.
>>64565685>Trump would never approve a boots on the ground invasion. Too unpopular.>Too unpopular.As if he even remotely cares at this point. Bombing Iran was unpopular with anyone besides republicans over the age of forty. Holding back the Epstein files was basically him going against the one thing the entire country had a consensus about. If Trump gets the idea that boots in Venezuela will somehow serve him he will do it without flinching.
>>64565733It's the little struggle that makes the rape enjoyable
>>64565733>contrarian
>>64564715they stand no chance against US air poweri doubt they'll even take off if an invasion happens
>>64564805israeli f-16s are also no AESAit's not that big of a dealthe actual issues are the rest of them
>>64566682It is a big issue when your opponent has it and you don't.
>>64565671>It's quite different between criticizing your leader and allying with literal enemy who will be killing your people should the war start. It's also quite different between not supporting his ousting to facing guaranteed death against the US military. They will simply line up to be next in power once the US leaves.>We have hindsight of witnessing that Guiado shitty little coup USA tried to pull few years ago. I don't think anyone will fall for your baseless lies of "the population does not support x" that is being sad every single time.You mean those protests that wete put down violently thanks to Russian and Chinese intervention? The giant economic and security bailouts in 2018?>These invasions only work if USA actually invades, somehow there is never enough of a majority within the population of people against the Dictator of the month to displace him without US interventionThey dont need to be a majority, they simply need to not care enough. Most Iraqis weren't toppling Saddam statues, they just decided to stay home.
>>64564715>Could they they put up a fight against the jets that the Ford is launching, whatever they are?Not a fucking chance
>>64564715As Indians demonstrated in their fight with Pakistan, doesn't matter if you have good equipment if you're outmatched in IQ.
>>64566673>nooo stop calling me a contrarian>i don’t like being reminded that my hatred of the west is the product of spite and contrarianism!
>>64564715Not as long as the Ford has one of its own planes up in the sky for screening. It'd be really funny if an F-16 managed to sink a Burke, though.
>>64565894>If Trump gets the idea that boots in Venezuela will somehow serve him he will do it without flinching.Trump is literally waiting for enough legal consensus to be built up so that he can do so. Or at the very least, commit strikes against Maduro and his government to the point where people might overthrow him
>>64564715>we're going to beat US imperialism>with the weapons we bought from the US
>>64564772The difference between a F-16 and an F-16 Block 70/72 is massive. Which is why when Ukraine got given F-16's, people who were knowledgable knew it wasn't actually that relevant because they were essentially stock, not 'actually relevant' variants.
>>64568154Saar I will let you know we have CEO Saar, you bloody benchod bitch Saar we are CEO
>>64569714Mate you're a complete whackjob retard and have no idea what you're saying.
>>64564715>Are they a threat to the U.S. carrier U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford?Nah, but the SecDef sure is.
>>64569884>The difference between a F-16 and an F-16 Block 70/72 is massiveUSAF should use only latest block F-16s against Venezuela to make it kind of fair.The Wikipedia infobox will be kino.
>>64564805They can do BVR very poorly you slanderer!
This is kinda the best you can do and they can't even get all the parts...
>>64569884>The difference between a F-16 and an F-16 Block 70/72 is massive.Depends on which F-16. Some of the older A/B units like the ones Ukies have, had the MLU done, were upgraded to tape 6.5, carry targeting pods, AMRAAMs, etc. They are equivalent to a Block 50, which many countries are still flying around.Then you've got units like the UAE F-16E/F Block 60s which also have AESA and aren't that far behind an F-16 Block 70/72.It's a big family of birds.But Venezuela's F-16s are literally bottom of the barrel, no MLU, no BVR capability, nothing. And only 3 are operational.>>64569991https://www.twz.com/air/status-of-venezuelas-air-defense-capabilitieshttps://www.twz.com/air/the-unlikely-saga-of-venezuelas-f-16s>The F-16s have no beyond-visual-range weapons, relying on the Israeli-made Python 4 infrared-guided air-to-air missile, supplementing the AIM-9L/P-4 Sidewinder, 150 of which were supplied when the F-16s were first ordered. At this stage, the Venezuelan F-16s remain as a mainly token capability-
>>64564715What a retarded propaganda post.>we were warnedWho's we?
>>64564715>>64564805>>64564935This is all retarded anyway because the Maduro government have emptied the country of most of its forces and centered them all around the capital to prevent any revolutions and coups. Because of this, most of the country are militias, "collectivo" communist criminal gangs, some old guerrillas that haven't been active outside of drug trafficking and logstic troops and light infantry with little ammo no heavy gear and no food.>>64565639You're ignorant. Maduro has the backing of every single socialist government in Latin America, especially Cuba, Nicaragua and Colombia.>>64565671You can't even speak English, you little socialist homo fuck.
>>64565867This guy is such a positivist legalist nerd he thinks a bunch of communist drug lords are not guerrillas.
>>64569874*with money gained by smuggling drugs to the US populationHaving the authorities of your main customers blowing you the fuck up must ruin all kinds of your profits and revenue.
>>64565787>toppling a dictator>he actually believes that's the reasoncute.tga
>>64570581>Having the authorities of your main customers blowing you the fuck up must ruin all kinds of your profits and revenue.Counterpoint; COIN is made more difficult when your population are funding the resistance.
>>64564935>Paramilitary 8+ million Last election, the regime claimed 6,408,844 people voted for their coalition, the opposition claimed they actually only got 3,385,155. By their own estimates, there are like 1.5 million unaccounted militiamen in their own land.
>>64565671>somehow there is never enough of a majority within the population of people against the Dictator of the month to displace him without US interventionBecause peasantry rarely rises up, and when they do, they have not the resources to fight a prolonged, or decisive war. Most revolutions are products of the bourgeoisie who always envies the current upper classes, like the revolutionaries in the colonial states of North America, and those of France. Venezuela suffers from a problem of the current age, when things start to look dark, the middle classes abandon ship immediately. People have been abandoning Venezuela since Chavez took power, when the coup attempt against Chavez in 2002 failed, all the professionals got out of the country, mainly to Argentina, Colombia, and Spain.
>>64565739https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/28/u-s-fighter-jet-falls-overboard-00314317
>>64564715 Planes vs planes is hopeless for the VenezuelansPlanes vs ship all depends on:what missiles they have available and how many. If they get to strike first.Anyway they would have one go or two at most before they end up without having no airforce left. But assuming they start doing routine flights with the carrier within missile range which i believe they are doing already if their missiles have enough range they could get a large volley out before being squashed in retaliation. Maybe two strikes if the first one got trough in part to the carrier. Ultimately firing enough missiles some can get trough but they only realistically get one go at it and than they become a punching bag.If the US moves first they have no fucking chance as the planes would be the first thing taken out together with their aging SAMs. So while it is a dumb suicidal plan with low likelhood of success they technically have a chance a causing some damage to the carrier by trading their whole air force for that as long as they have access to a sufficient amount of decent missiles .
>>64570555Are you fucking high? Columbia HATES Venezuela and has had constant crises bordering on armed conflict with them since Maduro's circus of a regime started. If anything the Columbians are the most likely to lend some boots on the ground to the cause.
>>64574217That was before Petro was elected.Petro is an unironic communist & guerrilla apologist scum. I am amazed Colombians elected him after the decades long civil war nightmare they went through with FARC.Still, Petro won't stick his neck out to help Venezuela, but I doubt he will be cooperative with any American efforts either. Most likely he will make some angry tweets on Xitter about what meanies the Americans are and call it a day.
>>64564715All they really have is the airframe itself, the electronics, radar and weapons are what defines how "good" it is. Hope Venezuela understands they are never going to have a real chance at doing anything to US armed forces, if we could bomb a bunker in a mountain in Iran and take literally no hostile fire, then im not sure what VZ thinks they can do. If they resist their entire air force will be deleted, its better to appease the US than to resist, at least then they can hold on their semi-outdated air force. Although I guess there is some doctrine that says they must resist or end up looking like total pussies on the global stage, much like a new prisoner in the Fed Penitentiary must fight, even if it seems futile.
>>64574359>Petro won't stick his neck out to help VenezuelaThat's all that's being asked of him : stay out of the splash zone while the execution happens.
>>64569886Based
>>64564715Soon, the United States of America will attack Venezuela to conquest oil from the Venezuelan nation, then we will know the answer.
https://xcancel.com/pandramodo/status/1984438613128475079https://xcancel.com/pandramodo/status/1984438748764127723
Would Venezuela be retarded enough to actually engage the US in a conventional war? Really?
All the runways will be bombed which removes the airforce from the fight.
>>64576330It would be a bit of an existential fight for the army's leadership since they're all explicitly regime loyalists. the real question is could they get the rank and file to fight?
Did I miss something? Why is the US seemingly gearing up to overthrow Venezuela's government like we did to Iraq's?
>>64577065Trump's core geopolitical strategy is hemispheric defence with a priority on making LATAM a strictly American domain. Brazil is next.
>>64577065The US has been shooting Venezuelan drugs boats.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVCHdL0LXIk
>>64564715>t. procurement contractor specializing in spare parts for maintenance teamsmost countries cannot sustain consistent flights of modern fighter jets like the US can. F-16s cost around $1 million on average in maintenance from a month of routine test flights/missions. this if it goes perfect and nothing bad happens.they are only a major threat if you have the logistics to back it up.
>>64577084This makes me uneasy because it's impossible to know if any of the boats were really cartel drug boats or just random shit in the ocean, for someone in the general public. And even if they were all drug boats, what does this have to do with the Venezuelan government? If they are turning a blind eye to this stuff or supporting it, isn't it easier to just economically crush them?>>64577073But like... why? What happened to China being the #1 threat?
>>64577478I sure there are spies and informants letting them know what boats have what.
>>64577478>But like... why? What happened to China being the #1 threat? China is a really tough nut to crack without a wide coalition. Since Donnie is a nepo baby at heart, he doesn't give a shit about coalitions, and he prefers going for the low-hanging fruit.
>>64577042>an existential fight for the army's leadership since they're all explicitly regime loyalistsCoups are almost always performed by colonels, not generals.The typical TPLAD is an ethnic minority that seized power through force and appointed their tribal kith to leadership positions throughout government and the military.In the military, this looks like one ethnic group being dropped into officer positions and quickly promoted to general and every other group being limited to the rank of colonel or so and usually having to work on merit or merit even being counter-productive to promotion for the usual reasons.This fosters resentment in the colonels and eventually one of them leads a coup backed by other colonels and their men who are probably the same ethnic group, seizes power and ousts the previous tribe and put their own kith into all the cushy and powerful jobs.In Venezuela, it will probably be political tribes rather than ethnic ones but it's the same story, there will be a bunch of colonels who have hit a glass ceiling and hate the generals above them. If the generals give the wrong orders, they're the ones who might arrest all the loyalist generals and then think about what to do with the government.>>64577506>I sure there are spies and informants letting them know what boats have what.I think it's pretty easy to identify them on satellite, they're a fast boat going straight for a non-port and they're clearly not a passenger boat. That isn't a set of traits that would describe anything legitimate.Not that arbitrarily blowing up boats in the ocean is really a good thing to be doing, if they can shoot them, they could stop and board them which makes an air-strike a disproportional use of force and almost certainly illegal under international law, rules of war and maritime law.I'm not holding my breath for justice for the smugglers though.
>>64577602>I think it's pretty easy to identify them on satelliteHow would a satellite know? You need people on the ground to see that it's actually drugs.>air-strike a disproportional use of force and almost certainly illegal under international law, rules of war and maritime law.Where can I see this law?
>>64577642>How would a satellite know? I explained the logic.>Where can I see this law?I described the types of law, do you not know what they are?
>>64577657>I explained the logic.No you didn't.>I described the types of law, do you not know what they are?I don't know. Please show me.
>>64577658>No you didn't.
>>64577658Nah, you can just stop being a contrarian retard.
>>64577659Irregular movement is not verification of items.
>>64577661>contrarian I don't think that's the proper use of that word.
Americans haven't fought another national army in a long time, and are generally inclined to dismiss cold war, 90s military hardware. It's properganda, they're told to downplay such threats. The US cannot really ban flights over Venezuela, they can ask civilian aircraft from third countries or global corporations to fly around, but it's not American airspace, nor has America declared war on Venezuela, it's an attack on Venezuela sovereignty and is primarily a political attack. USAF have a strong dominance, they'd "win" in air to air engagements. But they doesn't necessarily mitigate the threat. Venezuela could target US civilian vessles, or carry out kamikaze style bombings, or the kind of terroristic attacks Saddam used which might force the UN navy in particular to destroy friendly vessles which didn't identify properly or where there was some kind of coms breakdown. That's basically why the US would try to declare a no fly zone. Fly here, and risk our crayon eaters accidentally shooting you down.UN navy point defence isn't reliable, they try to hype it, but that's because it's a real weakness. US vessles have more and more missiles, EW, tubes, less and less conventional AA. Still very strong, don't misunderstand, but it's still the weak point of US groups. A single mig still poses a critical threat to a US warship, it only takes one mig getting through. So if a number are sent on kamikaze missions, how many can the US shoot down?If the Russians supply Venezuela, it will be with anti ship missiles, long range torpedoes. Smaller munitions which can be dispersed across the Venezuelan forces. If at least some of the Venezuelans have anti ship missiles, it changes how the US had to proceed.Iran is still openly attacking US forces, the axis of evil has never been bolder then they are today.
>>64578235How long could Venezuela actually sustain kamikaze attacks though? You have an air fleet measuring several dozen aircraft in total (only two dozen combat aircraft). Even if they managed to sink a ship or two with this you're talking about burning the entire airforce down in one or two operations.
>>64573505They were busy that day, please understand.
>>64564935Venezuela's only chance is go full 'Nam and inflict PTSD on zoomers/anal that they frag their GWOT millennial officers
>>64578387With who? 20-30% of the country's population has fled in the last 12 years, with around half the remaining saying they want to leave soon in polls, and that's without the country being a literal warzone.I don't know if old Gram Gram Leftbehind has what it takes to fight from an ant tunnel.
>>64578295They might not see a lot of value in antiquated fighters they were about to lose on the ground, and couldn't fight with in the air... especially if Russia or China sponsored the attack. Promised new planes. The CIA is using the south of Venezuela to build a guerilla army and conducting cross border raids, FARC is back, lots happening in that part of the world
>>64578235>UN navy point defence isn't reliable, they try to hype it, but that's because it's a real weakness. US vessles have more and more missiles, EW, tubes, less and less conventional AA. Still very strong, don't misunderstand, but it's still the weak point of US groups. >A single mig still poses a critical threat to a US warship, it only takes one mig getting through. So if a number are sent on kamikaze missions, how many can the US shoot down?Do you think this is a tower defense game? The operation will be discovered as soon as the the aircraft are in the air even (actually probably much earlier because of all the signs, but let's give them a hand), then it's a matter of scrambling the carrier group jets to shoot down anything coming in, point defenses are the last resort for the lucky few missiles that get through this screen, congratulations on losing your entire airforce in a single day, it's exactly what the US commander would love to see happening.
>>64564715Looks like this is happening...NOTAM issued until March 1st, 2026https://x.com/faytuksnetwork/status/1995256316718358616
>>64577681>I don't think that's the proper use of that word.Nigger, you're begging to have topics explained to you that are readily available on wikipedia and that every adult already knows pretty well anyway.Your opinion on what is proper isn't worth shit.
>>64581538I can't find anything that backs up what you say.
>>64581546>I can't find anythingskill issue
>>64578235>The US cannot really ban flights over Venezuela, they can ask civilian aircraft from third countries or global corporations to fly around, but it's not American airspace, nor has America declared war on Venezuela, it's an attack on Venezuela sovereignty and is primarily a political attack.Checked Flightradar recently? When a man with that many missiles says "airspace's closed", the airspace fucking closes. No airline company is going to volunteer to be the next MH17.
>>64579665Are you sure the pilots are going to agree with that
>>64564824Feels like an odd choice considering they're being invaded for housing Hezbollah.
>>64578235At the risk of the obvious 2 more weeks comparison, this seems far more likely it would Afghanistan or Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo. I doubt the Venezuelan military even has the morale to stay in the fight, but even if they do their military isn't sufficiently geared towards fighting with hit and run tactics against US naval and airpower. F-16s are no Grippens, and they're not operating from sneaky and mobile hidden airfields. And China and Russia haven't been able to sufficiently prepare the Venezualeans the same way NATO was able to support UKR. Most likely scenario is that the fold quickly with en-mass desertions. The problem, as always, what happens next? Maduro's grip on power has been pretty shaky at times, so is a rally behind the flag that likely? But in the long run there's fertile ground for insurgency, especially as certain members of the initial deserters start to coalesce into something meaningful.Who knows though, would honestly pretty funny if it did turn into a three more weeks.
>>64565733Reminder ukraine has no navy
>>64581579>No airline company is going to volunteer to be the next MH17Airlines are definitely risk-averse to anything that might be construed as a warzone.MH17 going over Ukraine was actually kind of weird, not that it absolves Russia of any blame.That one Indian chad pilot still has a place in my heart.An equally influential reason is that if the USA decides to punish your airline, they have a lot of tools to do so.Just saying that you smell bad will make other airlines that have US routes not want to get your stench on them and your partners and alliances will tell you sorry but they can't risk it.Compared to that, Venezuela's routes just don't have enough revenue in it to be worth the punishment US could inflict.Venezuelan airlines could be compelled to fly but I'd expect even them to push back under the circumstances since you'd essentially be ordering civilians to take military risks and that's something that could see people quitting their job rather than fly through hostile air patrols.
>>64581595>Feels like an odd choice considering they're being invaded for housing Hezbollah.That's practically a non-issue.It's because:>not friendly to US corporations>oil>russian ally>brics adjacentThis is much like the fruit company wars of the last two centuries. Trump has been non-stop ordering wars and killings to strong-arm second-world countries into kowtowing to US corporate interests.Trump's donors paid for this and will be right in during occupation to set up their businesses and funnel Venezuela's natural resource wealth into their pockets.A healthy portion will be kicked back to Trump's family.It's always about corruption with Trump, always.
https://x.com/trujillocorreo/status/1995349633631961483S-300VMs being moved to Maracaibo...>>64581625Sometimes good things can happen for the wrong reasons.
>>64581619lmao AI171 was the flight that crashed shortly after takeoff when both the engines "mysteriously" shut down
>>64574982da fucks a gryf alcon?
>>64581609>ukraine has no navyNot technically true. They have several naval ships the Bongs gave them (and are building for them) and the Turks built a boat for them (a corvette iirc, which is now their flagship). They're just not allowed into the AO because Turkey is like 'lol no straits closed fags'. Bongs seethed about that because they were like 'Why can't these boats go to Ukraine? They're based there, that isn't against the treaty' and Turkey was like 'well you built the ships and donated them so they're not based in Black Sea ports sorry lol'.
>>64581779>Sometimes good things can happen for the wrong reasons.It's an ill wind as blows nobody any good.One less dictator-lite is a good thing but the US will probably prop up some new dictator in all likelihood.At least they're unlikely to be Russia/China aligned.>>64581838>AI171 was the flight that crashed shortly after takeoff when both the engines "mysteriously" shut downThat was because one of the pilots fucked up and muscle-memory had them confusing landing procedure with take-off procedure or some other type of brain fart and they absent mindedly shut them off without actually deciding to, on the recording, one pilot asks why the other shut them off and they deny that they did.There's a lockout that prevents accidental nudging it and it takes manual intervention, it's not an airbus where the autopilot can move controls on its own.
>>64581873>They're just not allowed into the AO because Turkey is like 'lol no straits closed fags'. BongsObviously the one that Turkye built for them is allowed, I think it's built in the black sea actually.Russia doesn't have the balls to tangle with the watermelon seller's black sea fleet by trying to sink a Turkish-built vessel before it's handed over.There are canals that provide routes into the black sea for small enough vessels, I believe all the British donated vessels can use them (Rhine/Danube is the main one but I think there's a second).Russia can do the same thing with canals from the Arctic coast but again, there's a size limit. I think kilos can fit though.
>>64581619Have a better pic.
>>64582335I like this one.
>>64568154I don't get it, isn't 82 Forrest Gump levels, or did the movie lie to me?
>>64564715>those flagsI can smell the cholera from this post.
>>64566682Aren't Israeli F-16 basically just bomb trucks, at least as far as their use goes?
>>64581881>one pilot asks why the other shut them off and they deny that they did.Izzat moment.
>>64568154>Russia is 97they should update this
>>64586052>should update Russian iqIs the average going up because the retards are dying in Ukraine or going down because the smart ones are fleeing?Or maybe these cancel each other out and there's no significant change?
>>64569884>Which is why when Ukraine got given F-16's, people who were knowledgable knew it wasn't actually that relevantYou retards keep saying this without having any clue about the upgrade regime for the danish F16s.
>>64581881>>64585927I think it was a murder suicide
>>64586080>I think it was a murder suicideThat's unknowable.If he'd said something that was recorded then maybe but all he did is deny hitting the cutoffs which is adequately explained by not knowing that he did because it was unconscious, or by >>64585927.In the absence of evidence, it's just poor manners to make accusations that can't be proven, disproven or responded to by the target.
>>64577478>What happened to China being the #1 threat?Trump bent the knee on tariffs already, so he’s going to take out his cuck frustration on a failed state in our own back yard and create a refugee crisis that’ll crack the southern border back open.
>>64586241>Trump bent the knee on tariffs alreadySpecific goods are still tariffed at 45% and there is still a baseline 10% tariff on all goods. >so he’s going to take out his cuck frustration on a failed state in our own back yard and create a refugee crisis that’ll crack the southern border back open.The status of Venezuela has already caused the refugee crisis, its one of THE causes of mass migration to the US. Venezuela is a target because (1) their nationalization of O&G cost US companies 20 billion in asset loses and hundreds of billions in lost profits (2) its a Narco state and (3) Trump admin has adopted a strategy of hemispheric defense with a special emphasis on LATAM. But you know all this dont you? Shill.
>>64586264>The status of Venezuela has already caused the refugee crisis, its one of THE causes of mass migration to the US.And this is certainly something we can only improve using JDAMs, right? >NARCO TeRrOrHow much marching powder do you think Donny snorted off of Bubba’s dick when they were friends for 20 years? The War on Drugs is a farce, as doomed as Prohibition, just with more staying power and trillions of more dollars for Organized Crime. The Narco problem goes away when you gut the profitability of the illicit drug trade and the way you do that is by making life better for Americans, making treatment easy to get and afford (ideally free), and by making a legal market for untainted “safe” product of known purity, potency, and source that has prices low enough that they their margins collapse.I shed a single tear for ExxonMobil, ConocoPhillips, Chevron and GM in the face of their property being nationalized, but you are a retard if you think that this is the actual motive. The oil companies knew what was coming and positioned themselves to take their capital equipment with them and fall into better deals with Guyana (which is why Venezuela wants to steal Essequibo from Guyana), and GM had been running that plant that Maduro stole at “barely keep the lights on” levels since the 90s because they mostly needed it for market access into Venezuela, and that hasn’t mattered for them since before Chavez took power.A US invasion of Venezuela that precedes a Venezuelan invasion of Essequibo is theater for a base that is softening in their support of the philanderer in chief, nothing more, nothing less.
>>64577478>But like... why? What happened to China being the #1 threat?RAND, the top military think tank that basically decides everything and has former top military officials, generals, and shot callers already published a piece saying that we can't or wont take on china.
>>64564715Super hornets are the only actual 4.5th gen flying rn. It'd mog anything the thirdies could field.
>>64564715I think some autismos tried this out in DCS and the only way to inflict some damage was a one way wave top height kimikaze attack.pretty sure the entire air wing would fuck off to Columbia if ordered to do this
>>64586070>about the upgrade regime for the danish F16s.what? They're getting upgrades? When did this drop?
>>64586927Maduro may have 1, 2 pilots max that may be retarded enough but yeah.
>>64587099He means the Danes had already upgraded the F-16s before donating them. They are not standard A/Bs but AM/BMs, roughly equivalent to a Block 50 such as the ones flown by South Korea, USAF, Taiwan, etc. see >>64570007
>>64587123>A/Bs but AM/BMs, roughly equivalent to a Block 50Is that good? You're gonna have to spell it out for me since I'm noplanez and should kms.
>>64587137Well yeah I would say they are only a step below a Gripen or an F-16V. Still capable and relevant Gen 4 fighters but not top of the line compared to a brand new Gen 4.5.SK, Taiwan and the USAF are in the process of upgrading their Block 50s to F-16Vs.
>>64586927>>64587104can't they make them into drones or some shit? no need for an acutal living pilot
>>64564892>Hypersonic antiship missiles?meme carriers are escorted by ships that can shoot them down even more easily than ukranian patriot batteries shoot down 'hypersonic' russian meme missiles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmOhVo-5FBAsadams scuds were 'hypersonic', so are icbms etc etc it's fucking meaningless propaganda from shitty single party state dictatorships, a US standard missile six, SM-6 goes three and a haf times the speed of sound it's 'hypersonic' so fucking what? All serious air defense is firing at where the target will be not where it was
>>64587281>goes three and a haf times the speed of sound it's 'hypersonic'That's supersonic.Hypersonic is generally considered to be Mach 5–10 because that the range where physics does some specific things.e.g. hypersonic is the highest speed range where any kind of wing is still viable but they can't be much more than fins.The exact definitions vary considerably but they start around mach 5 because that's where there's a change in physics behaviour of air as a fluid when interacting with a friction heated object like the craft. Heat conductance and stuff gets involved too.
>>64587435it's still a meme term that's completely pointless for actually divining a weapon's level of sophistication or effectiveness.if the SM-6 was launched on a maximum velocity ballistic trajectory at a ground target i garuantee you it would be able to hit mach 5 for a brief period as well on the downward slope of it's parabola, that's how flimsy the definition has become since khinzal isn't even hypersonic on terminal approach, it slows back down to mach 3 again lower in the atmosphere.the only hypersonics that matter or have ever mattered for being called "hypersonic" are western maneuvering ramjet designs.
>>64587245That would require a level of engineering that would imply Venezuela could make serious domestic military hardware. Its not like making an fpv drone.
>>64587461>it's still a meme term that's completely pointless for actually divining a weapon's level of sophistication or effectiveness.It's a good judge of how sophisticated it is because it's hard to do.Whether it's effective depends on what you're even trying to accomplish. It's tricker to intercept which is what most people probably mean, whether it's more destructive or not is more complicated, I'm sure there's a heavy hit to the payload capacity for all the shielding and design compromises to attain hypersonic speeds.
>>64587489>because it's hard to doif we're talking WW2 levels of rocket sophistication? sure it's hard to do, considering the V2 was already hypersonic back then.compared to ACTUAL hypersonic weapons though, not really.they're just standard ballistic missiles that have been around in real countries of ages, calling them "hypersonic" is a completely useless embellishment that exists solely to make themselves think they're finally ahead in something technologically for once in their lives, even though they're not.
>>64587500>considering the V2 was already hypersonic back thenNo it wasn't.It wasn't that far off but it was only high supersonic.You're pulling facts out of your arse, don't do that.The Kh-47M2 travels at high-hypersonic speeds, the reason people don't call it hypersonic is that it doesn't manoeuvrer at those speeds, it's ballistic which is why it has to slow down to supersonic speeds in terminal attack.So it has to solve some of the problems of hypersonic flight but clearly the rocket scientists couldn't solve all of them.Hence why they had to go to war in Ukraine, to find some nazi rocket scientists to abduct and enslave to perfect their missiles.
Land strikes imminent!!!
>>64587640https://venezuela.liveuamap.com/
>>64587640>>64587989Nothing will happen. At most, some cocaine lab in the jungle blows up.
>>64578235Why do retards think war is like an RTS game where you can just right click order units to attack? What the fuck makes you think that a bunch of pilots who are likely to be pretty damn cream of the crop people, and probably have families, are going to go commit to suicide runs on behalf of a guy that couldn't even win an election? What the fuck is Russia going to supply them with? I'm sure they might have some excess anti shipping ammo kicking around somewhere but they mostly certainly do not have SAMs to spare.
>>64586640On his pic he have (((suspicious))) >>64586264 and at the same time >O&G cost US companies 20 billionlol lmaos even, zero self awareness
>>64564715What is even the point? We demonstrated in Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan that we can destroy military and civilian infrastructure at will, but without the support of the population there will be no substantive gains and the risk is regional instability, terrorism, and loss of international political capital.>muh communists!>muh hezbollah!>muh war on drugs!Fucking boomer-bait populist nonsense. There is no legitimate realistic objective.
>>64568154I'm a researcher in machine learning and I'm forced to have a quota of Indians at the university I work for (yuropoor, we have internship research programs forced by the government basically) and I highly doubt India is over 80. A PhD from a mid range Indian university is equivalent to a 2nd year undergraduate imc
>>64564824>Israel once again selling shit it is not supposed toAt what point do people acknowledge that the country is in fact not an "unsinkable aircraft carrier" but a nation of professional victims who should be cut loose from the US and Western countries to fend for themselves.>>64570555Meh, south americans are shit guerillas and if they topple maduro and all sanctions get lifted the entire country will see a meteoric rise in quality of life standards. Ain't nobody going to fight for some faggot whose entire "fuck the US" position doesn't make any sense.
>>64586640>A US invasion of Venezuela that precedes a Venezuelan invasion of Essequibo is theater for a base that is softening in their support of the philanderer in chief, nothing more, nothing less.>>64589104>On his pic he have (((suspicious))) >>64586264 and at the same timeCould you rephrase that in English please? Or even Spanish, I'll translate it if I can't read it.Your post doesn't parse reliably, there are too many possible readings of it to have any idea what you actually meant to write.>>64589250>There is no legitimate realistic objective.It will distract MAGA and almost nobody in the US will care about US corps taking over some LatAm hydrocarbon assets if it reduces gas prices and can possibly be linked to drugs.It worked for Bush Jnr, it worked for Clinton, it more or less worked for Trump the first time around.
>>64564935That comparison chart irks me. We got every one of Iraq's MiG-29s in Desert Storm and they were never replaced? 'Odd. Also, numerous chemical weapons were indeed found in Iraq post-2000. They were explained away as having been old weapons which had also already been confirmed destroyed before the invasion. So, yeah.
>>64577073>Trump's core geopolitical strategy is hemispheric defence with a priority on making LATAM a strictly American domain. Brazil is next.>>64577478>But like... why? What happened to China being the #1 threat?Eh, these are not necessarily mutually exclusive categories. "Hemispheric defense" rests on the assumption that the U.S. can't deter China if it can't secure its own backyard. Like what happens if a war with China kicks off and Venezuela grabs Guyana or causes some other kind of trouble. I think that's the theory anyways. It really sounds like Alfred Thayer Mahan who was a famous American strategist especially naval strategy.
>>64589325>It really sounds like Alfred Thayer Mahan who was a famous American strategist especially naval strategyThere's no way for us to know who twisted Trump's ear in a white house strategy briefing but that does sound like something a Pentagon strategist might think and I assume state department and DoD strategists still have some influence on plans, even if they have to coat them in some sort of veneer of corruption or make them exploitable for domestic political use.
>>64589330One name that comes off the top of my head is Elbridge Colby, the undersecretary of defense for policy. But yeah. Also sourcing raw materials and maintaining access to parts of the world where American manufacturers can expect to sell their goods (a lot more to Latin America than China).I think the drug stuff is horseshit, like maybe the Venezuelan army moves blow, who cares. But that's how they figured how they're gonna "sell" this to the public, although the public doesn't really matter. I was scratching my head a little why they went with that, and I can see it sort of making sense as a MAGA base play since they've been hit particularly hard by fentanyl. Eh, whatever. Also I'm skeptical there's any real deep loyalty for Maduro in Venezuela. People are saying "but without the support of the population" but it wouldn't surprise me (at some point) to see the Chavistas get absolutely carnaged and publicly lynched because of how hated they've become among a whole lot of people there. There's real pent-up extreme anger about how much Maduro and Chavismo has collapsed into extreme degenerate-tier corruption. The actual rulers of Venezuela are corrupt military generals.
>>64589341>But that's how they figured how they're gonna "sell" this to the public, although the public doesn't really matterIt's not meant to be something you sell to the base though, it's just giving the base a metodicka that they can parrot when someone asks "Why are we invading Venezuela now?"So long as they having something vaguely plausible to recite, they don't have to think about the details.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9They can't quite link it to fentanyl because it's about cocaine rather than opioids or amphetamines. Calling it a campaign to save USA from drugs makes it sound like "war on drugs" so it's best to avoid the whole topic and focus on "narco-terrorists who are brown".>The actual rulers of Venezuela are corrupt military generals.Luckily, those are USA's favourite kind of vassals.Ideologues make the State Department twitch with anxiety.If they're military generals that are smart enough to stay bought, they can pull a Myanmar for a while, bank a few billions for their families and buy a giant estate on Majorca to retire to when it gets too hot.More likely, it's a combination of a revolution and a coup.Some generals shake hands and go out with troops to rally people and attempt to lead a military coup with popular support as a force-multiplier and a badge of legitimacy to install a military governor "until the state of emergency blows over".If the US is smart (doesn't seem to be in fashion), they'll insist on at least a pretence of democracy and interact with a figurehead prime minister endorsed by parliament, making it a local problem whether their government is truly legitimate.If a general lets the power go to their head, they'll be the designated scapegoat for the junta and be gadaffied by the revolutionaries a decade from now.Either way, the US gets what it wants for a while and then creates a whole new problem for the next generation of state department wonks.Isn't nature beautiful?
>>64573828damn, fellow amlicans its over. we need to balkanize rn and remove ourselves from the global stage.
>>64589396>buy a giant estate on Majorca to retire to when it gets too hotfuck off, we are tired of getting squeezed between the coast full of drunk retards and the mountains
>>64587989>>64587640Two B-52s approaching the Venezuelan coastCallsign "PARKA11"Transponder has been turned off a few minutes ago.
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>>64564715Please for the love of god don't. You fucks will obviously instantly delete the Venezuelan military but with my luck the following will happen:a. You spam them with missiles and never actually deploy because Donny "doesn't start wars", so they finally go full Mad Max and we have another 5 million people at our doors. b. Trump DOES invade with ground troops, but he fuck its up and destabilize it to the point that General Butt Naked II appears. Donny gets bored / the Dems get the white house and you leave after a couple of years. c. a or b happens but Colombia buckles under the pressure and then it's truly joeover. You motherfuckers tried to transform Afghanistan in to a Westphalian state for 20 years, you are stupid enough to fail on the "easy" mode of nation building.Call the fucking spooks instead if you want regime change so much. t. South Cone anon tired of fried food smell and refugees being an excuse to elect Milei level retards.
>>64592106>Milei level retards>inherited an hyperinflationary economy>turned the ship around, lowering inflation from 211% to 16% projected for 2026.>cut the poverty rate in half>5% GDP growth>is pro-NATO>lowered the murder rate to 3.8 which is the lowest in South America>is pro-guns therefore /k/-approvedBest Latin American leader at the moment, seethe commie.
>>64594824He's a corrupt retard that literally did a crypto rugpull and played dumb when questioned. His economic plan is to burn dollar reserves and other's people money (IMF loans & US), he'll crash and burn when people remember that giving money to argies is akin to giving a fent addict 20 bucks. Now, it's true that "corrupt retard" applies to every Argentinian leader... since forever. The problem is that I get fucking meme-speak copycats, that surge in the polls in my country and want to remove the ministry of mining (mining is 12% of the GDP), because "there's a lot of Gamers and we don't have a ministry of gaming" or "exit all international treaties", you know, those treaties that let's us sell fucking copper.Everyone suddenly became a GME cultist tier retard.
>>64577478Ahh yes the famously rich country of Venezuela is known for its random ocean-going speed boats coincidentally heading to well known cartel routes
>>64578235>America hasn't fought national Army in a long timeAside from Ukraine they are the only nation in the last 30 years to have fought a real national Army, and if we go to 40 years they're the only ones to have done it twice, at distances across the world with a true volunteer force.
>>64564715>How good are the SU-30s and the F-16s that Venezuela has? Are they a threat to the U.S. carrier U.S.S. Gerald R. Ford?Only god Thor knows, just wait for next war and news will show you answers.
>>64564715https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/12/03/maduro-trump-venezuela-president-surrender/Venezuela’s president asked to keep $200m of his private wealth, amnesty for his officials and safe harbour in a friendly country as part of a deal with Donald Trump to step down and flee, sources said.Those familiar with a phone call between the two leaders told The Telegraph that the plan fell apart owing to Nicolas Maduro’s demands for a blanket amnesty for as many as 100 top officials.During the 15-minute call, the two leaders also disagreed on how to set up a transitional government and on the location Mr Maduro would flee to from Venezuela.Mr Trump suggested China or Russia, according to one source, while the Venezuelan president was intent on staying in the Western hemisphere, in a friendly country such as Cuba.In the interim, Qatar has emerged as a possible compromise.
>>64595391mor‘A rock and a hard place’It is understood that some of the discussion centred on Mr Maduro’s desire to live a comfortable life in exile.He asked to leave with $200m (£150m), two sources confirmed, possibly from funds already frozen by US authorities.That was not the sticking point.More problematic was his demand that amnesty be given to dozens of his associates and that key allies would run a transitional government that would eventually oversee free elections.One of the sources familiar with the call said Mr Maduro “was caught between a rock and a hard place”.He could face reprisals from senior figures if he agreed to a deal that left close allies to face justice.“It’s self-preservation, not altruism,” said the source.But that demand was unacceptable to US officials. They have made it their mission to bring down the Cartel de los Soles, a network of military and political officials who run much of the country’s drug trade.A broad amnesty could leave much of that cartel, designated by Washington as a “foreign terrorist organisation”, in place.
>>64595391>>64595404>>64595391>Venezuela’s president asked to keep $200m of his private wealth, amnesty for his officials and safe harbour in a friendly country as part of a deal with Donald Trump to step down and flee, sources said.contrast that reality with Russian proxy propaganda via the hindustani times on google/youtube the kremlins premier propaganda platform underb its Indian CEOhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS7LBRDBBG4
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>>64595435>we had to destroy the children to save them
>>64585921that's the F-15I
>>64595255>His economic plan is to burn dollar reserves and other's people money (IMF loans & US)This is totally false because Argentina is running a budget surplus (very few countries in the world do so). Very uninformed opinion.If you lived here you would know that the peronists left a hole of negative reserves in the Central Bank (yes, the CB owed more assets than it had, we basically were very close to a total collapse). And the pieces of shit also did a debt reestructuring on which they paid no debt except interest during their entire 4 years in office and all the debt payments came due 2025-2030. Which the IMF shouldn't have allowed them to do, but they pulled it off cause "muh pandemic". So Argentina is solvent and is running a surplus for the first time in decades, it has money to pay, it is in fact reducing its foreign debt (how many countries can say this today?), but what it doesn't have is the dollar reserves, so that's the reason for those "bailouts" to reinforce reserves. Argentina also has barely touched the US money, it has used 2.5 billion of the 20 billion, it's just a backstop to make sure we can afford the debt payments coming due in 2026. We are solvent (the treasury is in the black) but the "debt reestructuring" done during the pandemic was a disaster and the structure of payments is extremely punishing in 2026-27 so even running a surplus wasn't enough to reassure the markets.>He's a corrupt retard They did a whole commission in Congress (when the opposition was still majority) and couldn't find shit on him.>he'll crash and burnI doubt he will. If the prices of bonds continue rising as they are doing then we can return to voluntary debt markets, ask for fresh loans to pay the old loans (at lower interest, even, this is called rolling debt and not unusual) and this whole problem goes away. It's not a matter of solvency but of the combination of the way the debt was restructured and the Peronists leaving no CB reserves.
>>64595255>The problem is that I get fucking meme-speak copycats, that surge in the polls in my country and want to remove the ministry of mining (mining is 12% of the GDP), because "there's a lot of Gamers and we don't have a ministry of gaming" or "exit all international treaties", you know, those treaties that let's us sell fucking copper.BTW I won't vouch for his copycats. Where are you from, Chile? Yeah the Kaiser dude seems like a moron to me.
>>64586264this is correct and replies are obvious dogshit seething.
>>64595418>contrast that reality with Russian proxy propaganda via the hindustani timesThat's why you're reading it, it's counter-propaganda to drive a wedge between him and his supporters by saying that he's running away, any minute now.It may or may not be true but the story is a US army psyop and absolutely not reliable.Nothing out of the US will be reliable on Venezuela for some time.
>>64595435>Nigga what?.jpg
