you mean your parents house?

>>64568628
>Soo
Stopped reading there.

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>>64568628
It's just an excuse for people to larp and spend more on their hobby. Really a PSA with some pmags and ammo is all you need.
Not judging though, bout to blow few hundred bucks on a video game. Spend on what you love and bee yourself

>>64568643
People will spend $50k on guns but not put that into a rural property with good infrastructure, hesco barriers and some PSA ar15

>>64568628
Cities have more infrastructure than the country side. You'll find more supplies, logistics and other important shit there.

@64568657
Did you even read my post? Let people enjoy things autismo, you must be a blast at parties

>>64568665
Also drones with thermals will work a lot better in the sticks than in the cities. Cities have substantial underground infrastructure which can be fortified, but can be gassed out or sieged so you can't stay there indefinitely.

It's way easier to spend $2k on an AR-15 than to spend $50k on a down payment in today's dogshit market

>>64568628
The chance of utilities going/remaining down is much higher in rural areas.
The other 1,000,000+ people are an investment. You just need money.

>>64568679
Really this hobby isn't expensive
1. $500 on AR
2. $300 for a sight
3. $500 for a carrier with two plates
4. $400 on a helmet
5. $100 for a medkit
6. $1k for a good ammo reserve
7. $400 for a passable handheld thermal
backpack and other gear can be thrifted as needed.

I think these people's plans are to die in a retarded firefight.

>>64568698
We plan to win.

>>64568692
>You just need money.
And resources, from rural areas, because cities cannot sustain themselves

>>64568692
>relying on utilities
A solar panel or generator plus a natural water well goes a long way. Rural > City

>>64568670
Depends on the drone, don't forget, some drones need to use already established radio signals to fly. Some, not all.

>>64568717
Of course. NETD values on the sensor will also make a huge difference.

>>64568698
Their plan is to drive around with their club buddies and have a few gov sponsored photo ops on the edge of the hood.
>>64568703
>And resources, from rural areas
From other countries and our own stockpiles.
Perhaps some of the natural resources used are physically located in the countryside, but the companies involved have their own private security and can call on the government to protect water treatment plants and telephone lines just fine.
>>64568704
>A solar panel or generator plus a natural water well goes a long way.
Sure. Technicians restoring access to water and electricity months sooner will go farther. City > Rural.

>>64568723
The idea is to actually take over an abandoned shopping mall and fortify it into the /k/ompound.

>>64568704
Anon, who's going to sanitize that water? Most cities have entire Sanitation Departments and multiple industrial water purifiers.

>>64568732
...until the police get called and you get evicted.

>>64568737
police can't evict five cartel assholes who take over an apartment complex and double the rent at gunpoint. They'll say it's a civil matter then drive off to sit at a construction site and collect overtime.

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>>64568628
It's simple: they're LARPers who are only interested in the idea of society breaking down because they think it will give them an excuse to shoot people.

>>64568746
can't or won't

>>64568750
Well they can't, because it's a civil matter.

>>64568749
>ive them an excuse to shoot people.
And an excuse to feel important because they bought all of their expensive gear

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>>64568735
Anon, when I was a kid we had this on the family farm. It's called a manual pump, it draws freshwater from deep wells, it didn't need any sort of purification. I drank straight from it and never got sick. I assume you have these in America?

Worst case scenario there are several ways to filter and purify water either specialized kits or DIY methods.

>>64568723
>Technicians restoring access to water and electricity months sooner will go farther.
What happens in the meantime? You are talking months. Maybe years if the crisis is worldwide and big enough.

>>64568735
It's well water dude. You're just that huge of a cosmopolitan faggot that you think the city is everything. When shit hits the fan, city dwellers are the first to die.

>>64568746
>police can't evict five cartel assholes who take over an apartment complex and double the rent at gunpoint.
If they're part of a cartel, there are more than just five of them.
>They'll say it's a civil matter then drive off to sit at a construction site and collect overtime.
Forcing the engagement means shooting up an apartment block. Repurposing an abandoned mall only requires them to clear out a few squatters and LARPerfaggots.

>>64568755
I wonder if the guys who stockpile more weaponry and munitions than they're actually capable of using realise that they're just going to be used as a convenient armory for the first band of roving raiders to come around

>>64568749
Some guys also have hero complexes. Very similar to the sheepdog faggots.

>>64568759
>What happens in the meantime?
In the meantime, we rely on the backup grid and rationed supplies.
>You are talking months. Maybe years if the crisis is worldwide and big enough.
Did you get your education from 80s cinema? Describe this crisis. What do you think it is that our emergency systems are totally unprepared to address?

>>64568761
You don't see the plan. We'll invite all the homeless into the /k/ompound and divide the sears, nordstrom rack, and jcpenneys into an apartment system for them so we can collect rent. The boys will get the starbucks running again and we'll turn the food court into a farm.

>>64568773
Up until the end, I was worried you might've been serious.

>>64568770
>What do you think it is that our emergency systems are totally unprepared to address?
Pandemic but x20 times deadlier than the nothingburger we got
Carrington Event
Nuclear War

>>64568760
Enjoy your dysentery

>>64568776
I am serious. Don't call me shirley. The food court has massive glass windows so it'l be no problem growing squash and eggplant in there. I'll get my 250 super duty and deliver mulch from the home depot down the street.

>>64568628
>poor seething
lmao

>>64568657
>People will spend $50k on guns but not put that into a rural property
Or themselves, EMT training is about $3k

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>>64568780
>Pandemic but x20 times deadlier than the nothingburger we got
That means it ends sooner.
>Carrington Event
Electricians will have the full support of their state governments in restoring power and communicating with the public.
>Nuclear War
Nuclear bombs are a local threat. Unlike whatever MAD propaganda you watched, a real nuclear war wouldn't be a free-for-all of states tossing bombs at random, and the USA wouldn't be any rational actor's preferred target.

>>64568814
baste game

>>64568643
wise anon

>>64568814
>and the USA wouldn't be any rational actor's preferred target.
This so much, everyone forgets that China would nuke its neighbors like India before the US. Nukes from India and Pakistan are a much more immediate threat to them.

>>64568814
Your blind faith in government is commendable but stupid.

>>64568830
Add a pair of plates and a slick PC for $450 then a good medkit.

>>64568840
Gov have enough self-preservation to stay relevant and maintain power you dolt

>>64568840
It's dumber to pretend we have absolutely no protocols and that your "global fall of civilization" scenario, following from the electrical grid going down or Russia glassing NYC, could ever lead to people tolerating you taking over a usable supply hub.

>>64568846
>government is totally prepared to deal with a Carrington Event-like geomagnetic storm that could reduce crop yields by 48% and cause mass worldwide famine
Stupid.

>>64568849
A small farm innawoods is not a relevant supply hub. You can hunker down there and survive. Particularly if have trustworthy frens and family with guns.

Either way it beats staying in the city like a dolt.

>>64568861
It's a good thing that we entire organization dedicated to observing every phenomenon in space and that it's not 1859 anymore.

>>64568628
I'm seeing less people day dreaming about an end of world SHTF fallout/stalker larp and more people trying to manifest a genocide in the US. Every time some current event occurs that gets them pissed off they start clutching their ARs and posting "This time we will get the people we don't like" on X dot com the everything app. I think the paradigm has shifted from wannabe survivalist to wannabe death squad. Concerning but nothing ever happens.

>>64568869
>It's a good thing that we entire organization dedicated to observing every phenomenon in space
Observing =/= Preventing
It could happen at any minute.

>it's not 1859 anymore
For a Carrington Event that's a bad thing
In 1859 it barely had an impact because few cities had any electricity at all. It just knocked out telegraph systems. Today it would be a disaster because of our increased dependency on electricity and electronics on every facet of society, including industry and agriculture.

>>64568628
>They always set up bases first.
Huuh, no. They send in the Marines with shitty gear to die. And then the Army comes in and establishes bases with fast food joints.
The US army has never been expeditionary. They're the logistics.

Most people in SHTF in America wouldnt be able to refill their cars to travel across the US so the idea that roaming raiders are going to come take your stuff in rural country is pretty dumb.

1. Gas stations would be closed and not many people would want to siphon gas

2. Even if they had gas to go 300+ miles, the highways would be blocked/locked down

3. Gas would become a huge commodity for travel and be unaffordable to get safely

4. Not everyone owns a hose or a way to siphon gas, if there is any left

5. Travel would be unsafe in general and it would put a huge risk on your back especially trying to flee west since 80% of americas population lives on the east side of the US

>>64568881
Also most people don't keep their cars full.

Most people have anywhere between 40%-70% fuel in their cars at any given time

>>64568866
>A small farm innawoods is not a relevant supply hub.
No, but a retired mall or Wal-Mart is, and it's going to connect to major food processing plants no matter where they are. It's going to be a "deeper pockets" battle trying to take that real estate.

>>64568670
Disregards the CHUD menace.
ngmi

Hello is this the LARP thread

>>64568899
chuds will eliminate eachother DAY ONE because they think theyre feds each other

>>64568881
That's true, acquiring a hose would simply not be possible

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>>64568899
>>64568902

>>64568887
>Most people have anywhere between 40%-70% fuel in their cars at any given time
Citation required, AAA source preferred.

>>64568903
Hoses are like shovels, you never have one when you need one.

>>64568875
How are they going to survive more than 3 days lmao?

At most some water cases will get you maybe a couple months but you're still stuck in the city with no gas and you'll have to hike hundreds of miles on foot without dying.

Also without a real water storage tank or wood burning/propane, no hot shower, they will reek like shit and be really smelly.

It would be terrible, also they would not have any food unless they bought like $1500+ stockpiled of MRE's or a ton of ramen.

Meanwhile rural chads since they spent so much they probably already have a storage workshop/garage running of solar to store a fucking pallet of MRES, bottled water.

imagine you're walking along the highway and your trying to flee a city on foot and you somehow made it without being kidnapped, shot or followed.

Do you really think if you forgot hose or couldnt cut up a garden hose youd really turn back and find one. Thats a big IF even if you make it out.

>>64568812
I went to a well known University that had the EMT program, that particular certification gets you hired anywhere. And even so, nothing they taught me there as an EMT was shit I didn't already know. You'd have to be a real braindead animal to not know CPR, administer an Epi Pen, or how to stop an arterial bleed, or measure blood pressure. The stuff you do learn there that is of value, is stuff that is of value only if you will actually work that field. Such as managing the oxygen tanks, etc

>>64568628
Kind of hyperbolic. It costs around a tenth of that to get into NV, gun NVG and all.

Yeah everyone knows how to properly manage an arterial bleed

>>64568916
you should read about real world events instead of playing dungeons and dragons alone you larping faggot
rural fags get absolutely demolished and have their shit pushed in because No One is coming to help them when they're neighbours decide to kill them over their food and water
cities are actually safer because big governments use emergency funds and measures to keep the cops on the pay roll etc.
you still have to worry about gangs and shit but guess what, population density means there's more people around if you actually went outside and talked to your neighbours

you're going to die very slowly lol

>>64568628
I will gladly switch over to making food/water/power supply my hobby once I’m married and my wife with child. Otherwise I don’t really give af. I will probably kill, raid, pillage from everyone else when the time comes or get hired by someone to guard their shit.

>>64568628
>>has no rural good neighbors in a rural area he can rely on

This mentality is going to get a lot of people killed.

>"But Bob always says hi to me when I see him at the store, why did he point a gun at me when I suggested we share our drinking water?"

People are People. When push comes to shove, it doesn't matter where you live.

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>>64568628
Team raider

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>>64568628
>The US military has bunkers with backup solar power, generators, huge food and water stockpiles to feed a small city anywhere.

>Soo are we just going to forget about the military having literal insane logistics

We are going to go to war with people who have kill switches in our entire AI powered slop infrastructure. Expect everything to shut down, water, food, etc.

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>>64568783
>dumbass doesn't know what a well is

>>64569174
America is morally bankrupt and they dont believe in morals or karma so maybe.

I still believe karma exists. Anyways, its kind of stupid to murder your neighbor on good terms in SHTF somewhere rural when they can be much more useful to you alive.

They might have knowledge you don't have
They might have tools and skills you don't have
They can be used as manual labor to help you do stuff or build stuff, farm, take care of animals whatever
They can be used as a guard post while your family and stuff is asleep, you know, protecting you and keeping you safe so you can sleep safe at night.

Having someone protecting the road where you live in a SHTF is a very valuable thing.

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>>64569149
Wrong

>>64569435
>le ask grok
lmao you're fucking retarded dude

>>64569423
That's great and all but they still need to eat. They still have families of their own to care for. That scenario works out great assuming there's enough to go around, but what happens when your neighbor's kid is hungry or sick and you've got food and medicine?

>>64569438
but you're wrong, urban areas are way more dangerous with scarcity of resources and violence.

Sorry but you just wanted to be a contrarian and are wrong. Better buy an rv, rural land, a water tank and a wood burning stove before its too late.

>>64569443
I got a lot of food and my neighbors have rabbits, goats, their own rainwater system as do I with my own water supply. Nobody is killing anyone out here and we'll band together. The added security of keeping me around is only a benefit, I'll do guard duty for free 6 days a week.

>>64569444
you're completely wrong and it's hilarious
let's look at a war torn country right now like ukraine
>kiev is relatively fine lights are on more or less, water is running can buy food
>rural ukraine literally fending for themselves and being over run by the russian army

or look at places where the government collapsed like Bosnia or Afghanistan, cities are far safer in the rural you're literally meat lmfao you're so fucking retarded

>>64569447
And again, what happens when you don't have enough? Remember, throughout history, people who were more skilled and better equipped to survive in these situations still starved to death, froze to death, killed each other, etc.

Don't get me wrong, it's good to have a community you can depend on, but thinking you'll just band together and ride it out shouldn't be your only plan.

>>64569454
but thats an invading force with two sides fighting. The destruction is largely a product of people fighting and artillery shelling. Thats not the same as a societal collapse in america with millions of people in mega metro areas who will be starving and wont be able to leave.

>>64569462
rural fags are prey because they have no one but themselves
this has been repeated throughout history forever

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>>64569469
Wrong again.

>>64569461
its almost like you retards dont realize theres communities with defacto no police in asia, caucus mountains all parts of the world that live rurally with no issue and people get along just fine lmao

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>NOO THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING EVIL THEY WONT SURVIVE
>THEYLL KILL EACH OTHER!

uh huh
https://youtu.be/gNnI86nIr8Y

>>64569474
maybe you should do actual research instead of relying on poojeet programmed AI

>>64569490
>literally a town with electricity and running water
>everyone would still get killed
?

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>>64569495
>NOOOO THATS NOT RURAL, HERES SOME MORE EVIL FUCKING RAIDERS WHO WOULD KILL EACH OTHER IN A HEART BEAT

https://youtu.be/uLYfU-fTkP4

>>64569498
Yea those people will get killed and have their shit taken

>>64569024
Just stickin a thumb in it seemed to work for one guy I know.

>>64569506
*wrapped in his tshirt

>>64568861
Mass worldwide famine would have been a consideration in the Cold War era post-nuclear survival plans. They've thought about it.

Is OP just seething over people buying things he can't afford or something? I don't give af what others do with their money but he seems actually butthurt over it

>>64569537
I'm not sure if he's poor or anything, but he definitely has a very disney-like view of society, believing we'd actually work together.

>>64569490
Hate to pull the American Exceptionalism card, but I'm going to. You have a charmed view of society to think modern Americans wouldn't tear each other apart in a shtf scenario

>>64569438
You are the retard.

>>64569504
Who's doing all this killing and how do I join them?
Is this like an RPG bandit faction, that never recruits but somehow has unlimited manpower?

>>64569556
I asked grok and it said you were in fact the retard
retard

>>64569597
you're not part of the group or you would already be included

>>64569597
Starts with preexisting gangs, then are the individuals who look to exploit the calamity for their own gain, and human nature dictates we always form groups. Even dumb cliques at our jobs.

>>64568628
I take my gun, climb in my car and drive with my family and useful possessions until I'm out of the area where whatever happened is happening. If people are being a threat and the law ain't helping me, I'll help myself 'cause the alternative is being dead. Doing so is easier with a gun. Once shit dies down, Il can come back and maybe even claim insurance. Or not but then de are talking à problem much bigger than 3 years worth of supplies. There. 90% of scenarios are covered here.

In the off-chance we are in the remaining 10%, I'll be one of the litteral tens of millions of urbanites that will rather fight than starve. That country house looks nice. Let's ask for supplies. If they ain't giving it and I'm out of options, let's join a mob to rob the place. We don't have much to lose at that point.

Your house is only protecting if the people you love are inside or if they really depend on that house for survival.

>>64569644
>I'll be one of the litteral tens of millions of urbanites that will rather fight than starve. That country house looks nice. Let's ask for supplies. If they ain't giving it and I'm out of options, let's join a mob to rob the place.
What you said is one of the biggest reasons I hate city people

>>64569597
Most of the bandits don't recruit. They pillage, and the survivors turn to banditry to survive since they have nothing.

>>64568749
For me it's more about collecting all the little girls I find to keep as wives, but shooting people is important too.

From the sounds of this thread, all you need to do is have about 3 months of food and water and sit inside with the lights off while all these retards murder each other. Plus something to shoot them through the door with if they come looting

After that all the raiders have murdered each other/gotten shot home invading someone for a can of beans, you can come out and start to rebuild

>>64572393
Yep, you can just sit tight, shit out the window and do nothing for a quarter of a year. Nobody will ever come into your building uninvited.

Get real, Brass Facts. You can't wait out a war that has reached your fucking driveway.

Katrina has hit and you didn't evac in time. How prepared are you to come out relatively unscathed?

>>64573209
I'll just go down to the shops to get some supplies.

This is how people think the apocalypse will go down:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzBTqYccgKg

>>64568783
>t.- didnt eat his boogers as a child

>>64573209
>Katrina has hit and you didn't evac in time. How prepared are you to come out relatively unscathed?
I'm fine. No niggers in my state.
My property runs to waterline but the house is 30 ft up so it should be fine. House was built to handle winds well beyond anything we get up here. Maybe the solar panels go down, in which case our battery can keep the fridge/deep freeze/security system going for a few days. We've got food for months and more than enough ammo. Neighbors are all decent folk too.

>>64568749
>implying an actual boog fag has hair on xits arms and legs

Sometimes I wonder why I still sink so much time and money into this hobby. I was a lot happier when all I had was a 16" AR with a red dot and I'd go dump 300 rounds of wolf gold into paper at some indoor range. I question why I even bother with running drills. Now I have different builds with different purposes, each with their own assortment of ammo, training almost feels like a job now. But when I hit the road with my truck bed loaded up with my gear, hammer those target holder pegs, dig my foot into the ground like an auger, and double tap the A zone on a full size IPSC with a .63s split from 5 yards with my suppressed SBR it all starts to make sense again.

>>64573198
that's what the "shoot them through the door when they come looting" part was for

>>64572393
Pretty much.
Depends on the level of apocalypse, too.
If it's just a flood blasting transport and power locally, you can sit thight on your supplies because help is on the way. But you would be just as safe bugging out.
If it's a nuclear meltdown, the looting is just a short term symptom of the area being abandonned. Don't think yourself smarter than the herd : run for it with a gun in your car.
Having what OP says is a great bonus but not a necessity. It fits nicely with a few scenarios but it's a trade, a specialization where you choose to invest your resources in a sedentary option, betting that staying put is the most efficient way to deal with most situations and that the situations where it is not the safest are very unlikely.
I do believe that the safest way is most often to just move somewhere else and then come back. At the very least, it's the cheapest, easiest and most likely to happens. If you cannot love, then yeah, being prepared for a siege is nice... but you are doing it because moving sounds suicidal.

>>64574346
Yeah, that'll stop them forever. They'll never learn when you're sleeping, camp the windows or light the building on fire.

>>64574412
Sure they might come out on top, but realistically the person in the home has a rather large advantage. It's a poor numbers game for the raider. Lets say 60/40 home field advantage to the person in the house, though I think it'd be higher, and the raider comes away with an average of 2 weeks of supplies from every raid.
Do a bit of math and you come out with about 4% of raiders still being alive after 3 months.
The people who think they're going to just kick down doors and take what they want when SHTF are going to lose to civilized people, over time.

>>64574412
>They'll never learn when you're sleeping
Path of least resistance.
The point of any defense is not to be invincible forever against everything. It's to raise the risk and efforts needed for the attackers to reach the prize vu si much that they don't bother trying.
If I need to watch your house for days so I can maybe sneak in, I hope they'll be more in there than a couple of cans. If, on top of that, on my first try, I get grazed by a bullet, I would have to be pretty fucking desesperate to keep trying, especially if there are other houses.
Mind you, there'll be people both determined and stupid enough to try anyway. Best defense is usually to not even be where the danger is. So firepower, mobility and intelligence. Not always possible, though.

>>64568695
>backpack and other gear can be thrifted as needed
Can be as cheap as $50 if you go for UCP surplus. Ebay has $30 rifleman sets and $20 assault packs. Toss in a few $5 bottles of rit dye and you're good.

>>64568698
They’re certainly planning on winning. In their romantic fever dreams of SHTF, survival is decided exclusively by non-stop, daily gunfights, and the outcome of those is decided by who has the best gear.

>If your grip angle is greater than 14 degrees, you will die.
>If you’re shooting the wrong grain weight, you will die.
>If you use keymod instead of m-lok, you will die.
>if you’re shooting 26 sneed instead of 25 sneed, you will die.
>if your barrel is longer (or shorter) than whatever the fuck the most recent fad is, you will die.
>black rifle? No rattlecan? No FDE? Dead.

In reality, you’re gonna get domed on day one either by some rando with any generic scoped rifle or some nigger will get lucky and dome you with his full auto glizzy or hi-point. If you manage to survive, you will shortly die of hunger or thirst.

Best to just admit we are men and as such have an affinity for weapons and assorted cool mechanical instruments. The SHTF/prepper justification for the gun hobby is in part because we romanticize killing, want to retvrn to nature and be/feel useful in that arena, and also we want the hobby to feel practical, almost forced, so we’re not just Redditors collecting funko-pops. Firearms would be almost an afterthought for someone truly preparing for an end of society scenario. Buy a rifle and pistol, some ammo, and forget about it.

>>64574680
Really liking the straw men you've propped up to prove yourself right.

Who are these people saying black rifles are gonna get you killt in the streets? Are they in the room with us now?

>>64574731
It’s called exaggeration, dumbass. The point is to illustrate that guys will fixate on mundane, trivial firearm features and blow them way the hell out of proportion.

>is [x] in the room with us?
Back to r*ddit.

>what if
>the (your) world (as you know it) collapses!
>collapses I say!
You would move somewhere it isn't or be leaving yourself behind to starve. That's it, that's all it is.

>>64568628
They just want to LARP as T1 speshul farces, that's it.

It's the greatest modern propaganda trick that translated well into sales.

>>64574731
You know he was painting a very vivid image of the cumulation of what prepper culture has become: all prep is into taking lives; food and the ability to save lives rather than take them are a distant second thought.
Some do better, but it's almost entirely dudes who clearly have gunfight fantasies.
I don't care if they're neon haired commies, I don't want to shoot anyone ESPECIALLY not fellow Americans.

>>64574742
Have them try to explain away the 18lb of bullshit bolted onto their rifles

>>64574000
>t. stopped eating their boogers after childhood

I really love how /k/ finally recognizes all these prepper faggots are skull-fucked by the FSB
>your country is of degeneracy comrade, please to be doing a domestic terrorism

>>64575166
Notice you never see tards reflexively yell SHALL anymore either

90% of morons who "have land to bug out to" live within striking distance of major cities. All that land is useless when you cant reach it due to highways being clogged from your cul de sac in suburban Dallas.

>>64575203
they don't want to live in their land because their land has shit intrawebs (no goyflix), no access to walmart/mcdonalds since its outside the city proper, largely inaccessible by online retailers (can't coomsoom or you're fucked with higher shipping costs), electric company is a city away and water sources/pressure is dogshit

>>64575212

For real suburbfags are just city dwellers with front and back yards who like to jerk off to WROL scenarios when in real life they are terrified to go into thier nearest urban metro. The true survival hack is living in a small dense town that not too spread out and has easy road access.

>>64568628
I would've thought anyone with a $50k military gear setup would have all that other stuff but Americans are dumb

>>64575238
Once I saw a bunch of rich boomers freezing to death in their $10mil 10 acre mountain lot mcmansions because they didn't have a fucking $200 gasoline generator when a tropical storm hit.

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>>64574680
>hello fellow manly men gear and equipment doesn't matter lol
>you're gonna die to someone using their gear and equipment
>so just buy some gear and equipment but not more than me

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>>64568783

OP is a fag who contributes to blacked threads on /gif/ and crossposts here. They’re conveniently Israeli too
That being said, I don’t think anyone realizes just how hard it is to move around in an environment where other people are trying to kill you. Even just a square mile is extremely difficult to cross with any degree of safety if you lack real-time ISR, and drones are hard to keep running as a single person/small team with no ongoing supply of batteries. Your only chance of life is that the guy sitting and watching either misses or lets you pass, or move at night. Moving at night can get scary very quickly because all the other knowers are doing the same thing, and you’ll probably only differentiate them from a tree within 50 yards (if you’re lucky)
Night vision is unironically the minimum because it lets you move fast(er) when the majority of people can’t see you, including fudd and dayquan. It’s a hard counter to their existence, barring the odd nerd with a thermal
Thermal is basically a requirement too since people can’t shut off heat, and they’d have to have a dedicated OP to counter passive scanning (so they can’t move at night). It’s a bit easier to manage these batteries, but it’s still not *that* easy. You’d have to carry average days between sun + n confidence interval days worth of batteries to always maintain freedom of action when others run short

>>64568628
You have NO TRAINING it doesn't matter what you buy. You're gonna DIE noob.

>>64576326
On this note, laser tag/airsoft/paintball/fof is fun because you know the other team is coming from a direction and you can concentrate on it. Imagine you’re in plains (or a concrete jungle) where anyone can be in a group of bushes, lying in a tree line, watching the hill you’re cresting, staring down the sidewalk, watching a shop door, etc
Rural is better than urban if you have to move and have electro-optics because sight lines are broad and limited to change. Urban is an actual hell where the same window can be clear from one direction but a 15 degree change offers a perfect sight line to the guy deep in the room
>Again assuming WROL

>>64568628
I think you are a faggot that is mad that he cannot afford cool shit

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I’m of the opinion that WROL and SHTF scenarios where you would have to kill fellow Americans is borderline impossible. Even if a CHAZ like scenario happened in every major US city and you happened to be part of the 1% living in those areas…all you’d have to do is walk a couple blocks away and stay at a hotel for a couple of week until the local police and politicians sort it out. The point is, the only scenarios where things would go to shit are almost exclusively weather or nuclear threat related. But even in the great depression dust storms, people weren’t killing eachother…they just moved. If we got nuked, we’d all pull together not kill eachother.

>>64576326
This is dependent on battlefield logic, where there's a reasonable expectation of an enemy existing within 300 yards of you and being just as suspicious and vulnerable as you.
Even if a civil war were to break out, identifying and killing targets using disciplined foxhole riflemen and drones is unreasonable.
If your goal isn't just ensuring Appalachian grocers go out of business a month early, it's completely unrealistic.
>>64576343
This is much better.
All of the real fighting is going to happen in the population centers.
Patrolling isolated communities is actually easier, since there are fewer likely areas to have to set up in and the roads are less accessible.
You're also less likely to get the cascading robbery effect.
Still, I say the suburbs would see the worst of it. Accessing any location is a mere matter of climbing and breaching, and every building is liable to have at least some supplies or multiple people living inside.
A few months of resource shortages and weak government in that environment? A gang recruiter's wet dream.

>>64576342
B-but I bought the GBRS hydra. My height over bore and rifle’s center of mass are optimal. Reddit said I will survive the apocalypse.

>>64575329
He's right in that this shit is like 99% pageantry. Adult men playing dress up as army men

>>64577327
do you even have a 25L hydropak full of pepsi clear?

>>64574680
The best thing you can do to survive SHTF is:
>Have skills
>Have at least one unique skill
>Have a large family or very close friends
>Have a food and medicine stockpile
>Have a way to replenish water without rain
>Have a way to replenish food without a store
>Have enough weapons to equip everyone in your group with at least one
>Be relatively rural

>>64577320
> If we got nuked, we’d all pull together not kill eachother.

This poses an interesting question:
Is an external threat that affects all of us enough to unite the county and get us all thinking of ourselves as “Americans” once again? I postulated that nothing short of an alien invasion could get all the races to tribe up and cooperate under the banner of “human”. Is getting nuked enough to have the same effect? Or is it just gonna be Katrina x1000000?

Obviously im not talking about tight-knit communities where everyone knows everyone. I’m talking about big cities, neighbors who vote in different ways, and the (temporary) cessation of law and order. Do people go out settling scores and killing eachother over scarce resources, or do we manage to effectively govern ourselves somehow? (And not CHAZ-style “self-governance” where the local warlord with the only rifle became the defacto police force.)

>>64577333
I remember that, fellow gearmaster. Don't forget the showerhead hose so you can spray the pepsi clear into the impatient mouths of your cumrades.

>>64577320
>If we got nuked, we’d all pull together not kill eachother.
Retard alert. If we got nuked every chud and Lib would immediately go to each others houses and try to kill each other while normies slaughter the rest over food.

>>64577353
the pepsi clear will fall like rain upon the unwashed masses

>>64577324
Every suburb would turn into a Mote and Bailey style of compound. Turning the local church into a stronghold with sandbags, barriers, towers, etc and using it as the main hub for food distribution. The community would then relocate the members living on the periphery and consolidate all resources to a certain perimeter of the complex. Suburbia would be hell for maybe the first couple of weeks while everything is in flux. The real hell is the truly urban areas.
>>64577350
I mean…why would you be concerned about settling scores when the possibility of getting nuked again is still on the table? If there was any degree of resistance from our soldiers, we’d all be slaving away to give them a fighting chance.

>>64577357
Every chud and liberal would cower in their bedrooms like they did for the coof

>>64577333
Nah, why would I need that? How can I win a gunfight with Pepsi? Besides, one pound of water I carry is one pound less ammunition I can carry.

>>64577347
lol, what a dummy. No bro, you just need a <14 degree grip angle, GBRS hydra, and 6ARC rifle (90gr VLDs, any other bullet will get you killed)

Seriously though, I concur with that list. None of those are romantic or appealing though because either they can not be purchased or are cost prohibitive and/or require one to uproot his life. One will not do any of those things if one treats prepping as a hobby to justify gunko-pop collecting.

>have a large family
“Just go to the family store and buy a large family bro!”

>>64577331
That’s the right word. Pageantry.

>>64577368
I’d caution against assuming perfect rationality and commitment to group interests on the part of everyone, and underestimating just pure bloodlust and immediate material gain. What if people are starving NOW and need food NOW? In that case, killing for material gain might actually be rational. And let’s say for the sake of argument that the nuking happened last week and there doesn’t appear to be the chance of getting nuked again. We glassed all of Russia or China or whatever. It’s now the aftermath of a nuclear strike.

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>>64577378
>Just go to the family store and buy a large family bro!
The biggest threat to my survival is me

>>64577378
Even most non-tactical obsessive preppers/survivalists probably wont make it long term simply for the fact that they never trained medical or gardening skills
Ironically what would get 99% of the aforementioned LARPers (besides food, water, etc;) is the fact that very few of them know how to actually do anything beyond CQC (if that).
What would kill both though is the false sense of security they have because theyre armed and rural. So many of these peoples so called "homesteads" are the most open and easy targets for anyone who would ever want to take all of their shit.

>>64568643
Whales like you enable the fucking demons that choke out the medium I love

>>64577373
>Every chud and liberal would cower in their bedrooms like they did for the coof
Once people realize the police arent coming they will do literally anything they want until the threat of violence returns. Thats what happened in Yugoslavia. Everyone with the will to kill did so until people began to arm themselves and snipers stopped daytime movement

>>64577414
> very few of them know how to actually do anything beyond CQC

That’s funny cause I read somewhere a while ago that CQC is the most casualty-producing activity any fighter can engage in, and by a wide margin. But it is the sexiest, and with the coolest-looking gear.

> they never trained medical or gardening skills
Is it not enough to make friends with these specialized skills? Someone trained in medicine, or someone with a farm. Is it even possible to be 100% independent? Your odds of survival are worse than prehistoric humans. Atleast they had tribes. And either way, if you’re gonna tough out the apocalypse alone, that’s a difficult, shit life to live anyways. I want friends and community.

>>64577419
Yup. Everyone submitted to the coof regime because there was a regime in the first place. Absent the threat of being shot to death, we’re all surprisingly nigger-like. It’s a midwit meme thing. The use of violence to get what you want suddenly becomes not just an option, but game theory optimal. Why work and buy a house when you can rob a bank, or kill a guy and live in his house? Why go the day without food if you can threaten your neighbor and raid his fridge? Why court the girls when you can just kidnap them (peak romance, the girls would love WROL)? Everyone will default to a high time preference cause a low time preference is sort of a luxury a modern, stable world makes possible. If you can’t see where tomorrow’s meals will come from, then that’s your time horizon.

>>64577431
Yeah I heard something like the only correct way to clear a stairwell is with a jdam.
The 2nd best way to do cqc is shitloads of grenades.

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>>64568628
I don’t buy guns to survive I buy guns to kill black people.

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>>64568643
>Really a PSA with some pmags and ammo is all you need.
Not true
>>64568695
You left out comms, multitool, headset, and water but otherwise pretty good
>>64568698
If you fail to plan, you are planning to fail!

>>64577431
>Is it even possible to be 100% independent
it is Extremely difficult that's why most people at least have clans and tribes or large family units with literally ever generation within their radius

look at the Lykov Family which is a good example of being actually independent from society
>no knowledge of any modern happenings
>no immune system
>one kid died of starvation
>told each other their dreams as entertainment
shit is rough

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>>64568749
Its a large existential risk. If you read history when things go bad such as a failed state civilians get pretty fucked. If there is a chance its important to be ready. Worse case it never happens and you got to train learn useful skills and hopefully had some fun with the process :)

>>64577474
do people even run 4 man stacks anymore? you want 5-6 at least for full room clearance

>>64568846
Not forever under any condition anon. People have to believe in the government for it to work and that power has been wilting

>>64569490
That a homogenous society. America has many waring tribes and most people are mentally ill already with a lot of guns.

>>64574346
What do you do about their friends who have body armor? What if out of anger they light your building on fire?

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>>64568628
>Soo are we just going to forget about the military having literal insane logistics before they even start thinking about outfitting soldiers or weapons. They always set up bases first.

Can't really maintain those insane logistics when your own tax-base are the ones fighting against you. Not that it really matters anyway. In the event of SHTF, the US Military will be the least of your problems.

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>>64577475
>room clearance
I'm not SF nigga I'm not doing clearing drills. That gif is moving down streets with a group. Best way to clear a room is to make the room not exist

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>>64577452

>>64577452
Based.

>>64577497
kek fair points

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>>64577452

THIS

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>>64577431
I definitely think that is why I like to train CQC. Because of how freaking dangerous it is. I’ll avoid at all cost, but if forced I’ll do a decent job. Best not make a habit out of it. In a shtf scenario, clearing rooms must happen, and ain’t nobody got granades to spare.
>>64577441
Yeah everyone has nigger like software when pushed to the limit, or if you just have an undeveloped brain. Which is sadly why I believe my main opponent in a shtf scenario will be kids (of all races) under the age of 25 who just want to rape and pillage out of pure instinct. I will not be joining them, I’d rather die with my boomer parents.
>>64577452
Kek
>>64577468
Fucking grim

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>>64568628
I have all that shit and much more. I also have absolutely no pretense about survival in a true SHTF "The Road" type scenario. I'm gonna settle some scores, party hard, and anything beyond that is just gravy.

>>64577414
>Even most non-tactical obsessive preppers/survivalists probably wont make it long term simply for the fact that they never trained medical or gardening skills
>Ironically what would get 99% of the aforementioned LARPers (besides food, water, etc;) is the fact that very few of them know how to actually do anything beyond CQC (if that).
>WorksCited:Crackpipe.jpg
I'm not going to disagree that focusing entirely on CQC while neglecting other, less glamorous skills would be fucking retarded but all the guys I know who are preppers (whether or not they'd describe themselves that way) recognize that food, medicine, etc are vastly more important than being able to punch holes in paper.

>>64577529
Theres different types of people, Im mainly targeting those that buy freeze-dried Costco macaroni buckets and LARPerators.
>>64577431
>Reddit space
Yes you need people but you also 100% cannot rely solely on the resources of others and should be able to supplement with your own skills and resources
>Reddit space

>>64577529
Its all important. Your food and skills means nothing if others can just take it from you or kill you. People can form gangs, gangs will have guns because its America, gangs can canvas large areas. Look at sub saharan Africa.

>>64568704
War will force all the Rural people to the cities anyway, your Rural farmhouse is going to get destroyed because it's the only structure hill. The best option in SHTF is the leave the country the second best option is to have a useful skill that one of the factions that pops up wants, the third best option is to join one of the factions that pops up as a hired gun.

>>64577559
>The best option in SHTF is the leave the country
True, but the only true thing in the post.
Rural areas are almost always safer than cities during all types of SHTF events, save outliers like Helene, and joining the "factions" is a great way to get shot or raped while raping or shooting someone.

>>64577566
>rural people are literally the first to get their property confiscated by the government in order to provide for urban areas
happened multiple times already

>>64577566
You won't actually have the option not to join, it will be join or get shot, and yes your farm house is going to be raided and destroyed and no, you won't be able to defend it, cause they can't just blow it up or burn it down

>>64577575
Yup this is guaranteed, what ever shitty government in place live in the city and knows their heads only stay attached to their necks if they keep the bellies of the urban rats filled, so they are going to send the urban army out to the country to pillage.

>cities are totally the best and safest bro
>rural areas are dangerous bro
>just trust me bro
Bunch of faggot ass europeans in this thread

>>64577595
>can't read
it's not like this stuff has never happened throughout the course of history if you had stayed in school you would know this

>>64577600
Post your outlet and a timestamp

>>64577623
post your hand jeet

In a SHTF thread we have an asshole spamming "urban environment safer" lies. Part of the so-called reasoning us that the government will swoop in and save the cities.
No, it will not. So SHTF, above. Shit has officially hit the fan and government is largely shit. It's splattered.
Who makes up a disproportionate number of government employees in urban settings? The same people who for decades have been grumbling about wanting to shoot White troops in the back if they get the chance. The same ones who will be cannibals the instant they realize dancing around a burned-out semi will not make food supplies magically appear in supermarkets.

There are more than the census shows and they are not going to leave anything intact. One may hope that a few large libraries somehow survive but that is really not likely.

>>64577667
>thinks he'll be a unmolested hermit living off the land
ok

>grumbling about wanting to shoot White troops in the back if they get the chance. The same ones who will be cannibals
you need to stop smoking meth

>>64577667
What kind of event are you suggesting would have killed the government while leaving you untouched?

>>64577667
> There are more than the census shows and they are not going to leave anything intact

Nightmare case scenario. Is there truth to this?

> One may hope that a few large libraries somehow survive but that is really not likely

All literature produced throughout all of history comprises single digit terabytes. I’m sure it exists on a hard drive somewhere, kept safe in a vault. Losing physical books is not tantamount to losing the information contained in them.

>>64577667
I worked high end corporate security and logistics for a bit. All our clients were fortune 500 companies (literally any big company you can think of we did thier duty of care/medical/security). Whenever there was any huge natural disasters companies would call us to setup help for thier people if they were in the affected area. I can only speak for natural disasters but 80% of the time major cities were okay and we never had to do much work besides maybe move some employees to a hotel. Our problems were almost exclusively from upper middle managemt and C suite execs who worked remote and lived out in rural areas. We would always call ahead of time to setup hotel arrangements for them and usually they would decline and like clockwork we would get calls back about having to do supply drops for em and finding them new accommodations. I cant speak for every scenario but from my experience it's better to be close or closeish to population centers during any bad weather event.

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Urbanites are a curious breed.

Within a year most would be dead but before that I imagine them poring into rural america like a zombie horde.

>>64578429
Yea, like an armed semi coordinated zombie horde. Have fun with that.

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>>64577419
>Once people realize the police arent coming they will do literally anything they want until the threat of violence returns. Thats what happened in Yugoslavia. Everyone with the will to kill did so until people began to arm themselves and snipers stopped daytime movement

In Yugoslavia the police were the ones doing the killing a good chunk of the time.

>>64578448
Thee criminals are the only urbanites that are reasonably armed and they are entirely dependent on protection from activist judges/DA's to keep them from simultaneously getting lynched by literally everyone else.

The end result in just a horde of urban retards who are going to get sneeded thee moment they try to fuck with an even semi-coordinated armed rural community.

The same way frontier justice kept injuns at bay.

>>64578455
Falling Down remake looks fire

>>64578472
Positively delusional outside of maybe LA and NYC and the surrounding areas. Your rural militia of 15-30 people is going to get absolutely "sneeded"(by which I mean atrited) by a revolving door of 100+ strong armed groups all stuck between starvation and getting past you or taking your shit. That's the best case scenario too, assuming nothing more than multi neighborhood level degree of coordination. If you want to escape the urban hordes then you're going to need to go deep rural, and even thats really just going to buy you time to hope that everything fizzles out as opposed to resulting in a displacement wave resulting in near constant low level conflict before running into the actual organized types causing that displacement after they've had months of time to gitgud

>>64578494
Rural hordes would last maybe 2 months before 90% of them starved to death, with most doing so before the 3 week mark, you really don't need to be that far away

>>64578472
>retard assumes most cities are LA/NYC/Chicago where gun laws are cucked
>doesnt realize there are more urban centers with good gun laws even in blue/purple states then cucked ones.
>there's multiple gun stores and class 3 nfa dealers within spitting distance of me in the medium sized 400k city I live in along with an active shooting community.
>TRy tHaT in A SMall tOWN.

Absolute boomer Facebook tier logic turn off Fox News and OAN

>>64568643
>bee yourself
Honestly, it's all that you can do.

https://youtu.be/WC5FdFlUcl0

>>64577368
>Every suburb would turn into a Mote and Bailey style of compound. Turning the local church into a stronghold with sandbags, barriers, towers, etc and using it as the main hub for food distribution.
That assumes centralized control over food, which doesn't align with the realities of American transportation.
What you're describing is the result of a warlord taking over and asserting control over a section of suburbia, and these realistically just turn into unending gang wars.

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Sometimes I feel like selling all my modern shit and going full cowboy

>but you'll be kilt in da streets

Reckon this will happen whether or not I spent tens of thousands of gear/training/practice with an AR-10/15 and NVG/Thermals

>>64568657
>hesco barriers
How hard would it be to create your own hesco barrier with cattle fencing and burlap you have lying around?

>>64578932
>you'll be kilt in da streets

Gayest /k/ paradox. Your gear or training is never effective regardless of what it is, yet everyone else's gear and lack of training is always effective

>>64568628
Most preppers fail to realize what's most important. It's not weapons, bunkers, diesel generators, supplies and all that stuff they constantly buy shitloads off.

The important thing is people, and connections to other people. So unless you're living like a 1800s fur trapper and comfortable with it, your local hairdresser is probably way more "prepared" for whatever SHTF situation coming.

>>64579078
>Gayest /k/ paradox

easily teleporting brown people that'll somehow kill you instant in every situation

>>64577566
This isn't actually true, outside of invasions/wars of some sort where the urban areas are the intentional focus of violence. If you look at actual failed states from antiquity up to modernity(from rome all the way to argentina) the rural areas are always the least safe and for the longest time. This is because the cities have the human and industrial capital to both relatively secure their smaller geographical areas and either trade or take what they want from rural areas. Meanwhile rural areas historically become the lands most effected by roving gangs and bandit king types. Lower population density means that resource scarcity is lesser(increasing value of attacking them) and also means that isolated individuals or small or even sometimes medium sized communities are tempting targets for feasibly sized bandit groups.

The concept of rural areas being safer in such situations is ahistorical nonsense built upon strawman arguments.

I'd just dip to Mexico and be a goat herder.

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>>64568657
Their likely isn't job in Rural areas that pay well, and EMS classes are kinda pointless. If you get shot unless you know a doctor you are going to die anyway.

>>64579146
Agreed but for an American/Canadian centric audience rural = the exurbs. We aren't talking isolated ranches in Argentina or Wyoming here. A modern ranchette has enough people to defend it and the actual rural areas in the US are owned by mega farms monocropping anyway. It's a completely different scenario for us.

>>64579782
What, is the doctor going to magically doctor away the gunshot wound or something? People regurgitating this myth are total brainlets. Gunshot wounds were being successfully treated before we even had fucking germ theory and people were going straight from autopsies to doing surgeries. You can learn better info on treating a gunshot wound than any revolutionary or civil war surgeon would have had on fucking google these days, let alone getting some actual modern medical training.

Gunshot wounds do not require a hospital or surgery to survive in many cases.

>>64568759
>from deep wells
my ass, you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, city faggot.

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>>64579930
EMT training is basically worthless in a SHTF scenario. We are there to throw you in a gurney and get you to the hospital as fast as possible before you expire.
>t.emt

>>64577468
>>one kid died of starvation
Damn.
>>told each other their dreams as entertainment
Quaint but not even any board games or something? Hide and seek?

>>64580007
Is extracting the bullet, pouring alcohol, and cauterizing the wound cavity the solution here? Like good old times?

>>64580202
Do you like internal bleeding and infection? The "extracting bullet" part is far trickier than you would think.

>>64580202
depends where the bullet is and if it's still in one piece
if its tricky to extract and you dont have access to a hospital it might be better to leave it be

don't cauterize, clean it and sew it

>>64579078
The more poor and brown you are, the better you will do in SHTF

>>64580007
>EMT training is basically worthless in a SHTF scenario. We are there to throw you in a gurney and get you to the hospital as fast as possible before you expire.
Nah, that's plenty useful.

There are very few realistic scenarios where medical care will disappear entirely. Look at Aleppo, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Civil War-era Russia or just about any other societal collapse that you care to mention. Hospitals still exist. The entire medical profession doesn't just keel over in its entirety. Medical care doesn't become unavailable - it just becomes shitty, slow, hard to access and dependent on informal payments for scare resources. Having even just some basic training could be enough to save the life of your friends or loved ones in a world where ambulances can't make it to your street because the road is covered in rubble or where one exhausted surgical team are responsible for every patient in the hospital. You don't need to know enough to treat them yourself, just keep them stable until they're finally seen.

>>64568759
American companies were allowed to dump liquid waste into the water table: Even deep wells within 40 miles of a factory will rot through plastic.

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>>64579782
>If you get shot unless you know a doctor you are going to die anyway.
Do you think all combat medics have PhDs?

>>64568628
I remember when /k/ was a bunch of poorfags making these posts but with "muh plate carrier and $2000 ar15"

these are always the most retarded threads on this board
>hurrdurr blackpill we're all fucked
>hurrdurr citybo gon' die in deez here wuds
>hurrdurr le teleporting brownoids are gonna tickle your anus
total collapse will never happen, you're better off preparing for short-lived enthusiastic cultural enrichment events
a pox upon all of you
fuck
ya
muddas

>>64580202
>cautery

So by "good old times" you mean the fucking 17th century? Ligation has been preferred for 300+ years at this point. Anesthesia has been common for ~170. X-rays were discovered in 1895 and less than ten years later they were on medical ships. Your odds are vastly improved just by common knowledge about things like germ theory as well as having access to artificial light but in the absence of a surgeon - even a surgeon with 19th century tools - you're almost certainly going to die from infection and EMTs are certainly not surgeons. A gunshot is a whole other kettle of fish compared to cutting yourself with a knife or breaking a foot or whatever you might have personal experience with.

Check this out:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2706344/

>>64581498
>A gunshot is a whole other kettle of fish compared to cutting yourself with a knife or breaking a foot or whatever you might have personal experience with
You really shouldn't talk about gunshot wounds like they're a single monolithic entity. Low velocity rounds from pistols, .22s or rifles through cover really aren't all that different from any other penetrating trauma. Even with the more serious shit people get lucky more often than civvies might think.

>>64581518
Pistol caliber wounds have an 85% survival rate IIRC.

>>64581518
gwot guns always talk about how 556 doesn't have stopping power
people can tank a lot before they actually stop moving once the adrenal is pumping unless you clip their spine or something

>>64581644
gwot guys*

The funniest part is how those "I don't need a car, I live in the big city" retards all get fucked when you have to leave the city and they have no options.

>>64568628
All this sour grapes posting is going to be hilarious when they do nighttime raids on the "roving bandits" everyone keeps imagining. Its like a circle of fags on the playground trying to out play fight one another. Nu uh your expensive toys don't matter because x scenario I made up or X limit I placed on you or X thing I said you don't have because I said you didn't XD I win tehehe im cool now plz gib attention. This circle of absolute faggotry never ends and then someone starts bitching about pol because they're a brownoid loving faggot commie tranny who both simultaneously believes you can't fight the feds with an ar15 but also thinks that if you protest enough they will let them groom kids on discord and praise them for it. Insane people bitching about other slightly less insane people or broke dick poorfags who are coping and seething. This entire thread reeks of eurofag teens and poorfag seethe

>>64568628
Nice marketing thread, just in time for the black friday prepper sale, must consoom

>>64578472
>only the criminals are armed
>but without the police protecting them they'd immediately get lynched
Gunfags BTFO?

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>>64580990
"PhD" means a doctor of philosophy, i.e. not medicine. If a doctor is giving you medical treatment, then he hopefully has an MD.

>>64580861
>it just becomes shitty, slow, hard to access and dependent on informal payments for scare resources.
How could you tell the difference?

>>64574000
Dysentery killed people with much better immune systems than you during the colonial period, helmet kid.

>>64568992
>a tenth
Going off OP pic which clearly features binocular NVG: The cheapest binocular NVGs worth owning are around $8,000, the cheapest IR laser unit worth owning is around $1,000, the cheapest AR worth betting your life on is around $1,000. That's $10k, not quite a tenth of $50k. If you're talking monocular NVG, it's closer to $6k total. If you're operating with NVGs you also should really have a suppressor for flash mitigation in case your opponent has NVG too, so throw another $1000 on there.

>>64581605
A statistic that is because of the existence of modern medicine and hospitals. Basically meaningless in WROL where a good many wounds that are perfectly survivable if they happened to you today will kill you due to lack of access to proper medical care.

>>64581883
A DO is fine too.

I agree with >>64577320 that we'd pull together IF the majority of the population isn't directly impacted by a nuclear equivalent of Pearl Harbor or 9/11.
People would move away, locals would help out until aid agencies could show up, life would move on, a monument would be erected. Airport security would probably get even more tedious. US might actually force other countries to dismantle their nukes and threaten invasion if they don't. Global War on Nukes by America follows for 10 years before support wanes.

If that nuke hits DC then it's a political shitshow as federal government struggles to get people into position to make decisions and maybe we see more political parties or independents voted in. Anticipate sweeping reactionary policy changes in the years to come and a more physically dispersed federal government. Global War on Nukes inevitable, full NATO support as they don't want their governing bodies erased by nukes and they want to keep their nukes as allies to the US.

If we're talking a Judgement Day situation where the bombs dropped all over but mostly in population centers I think we're in SHTF territory for sure. A week later like >>64577386 suggested, then yeah people are fighting and probably killing each other over food in the rings around detonations where the food to living people ratio is not favorable. Rural areas have a better chance but we are looking at subsistence farming with animal labor again since manufacturing facilities and transport of parts is extremely limited.

>>64577357
>Maine gets nuked
>libs in Nevada are going home to home and stealing food
retard

>>64568628
I have maybe 150 gallons of water set aside, for a family of four it’s not enough.
Maybe enough for two weeks.

I honestly hate living near a city, but my wife needs to have her stupid amenities.

>>64568759
The landscape is polluted, the water table here is polluted as much as I would like to, I don’t want to poison my family.

>>64568628
>stays up all night gooning in the dark with nightvision and gucci rifle for cans of beans
>gets capped and looted the next day while sleeping by some youths with rusty hipoints

>>64582540
When looking for a house our criteria were
>low traffic street
>neighbors not too close
>plenty of green, trees forest, etc.
>well water
>solar panels
>high speed internet
>grocery store is ~15 mins away
>big city is 60 mins away
Close enough to the amenities while also having farmland on 3 sides of our property.
We have about ~1000 sq feet of raised bed garden with rain barrels and drip irrigation. Fresh raspberries with dinner all during the summer, plenty of the ugly ones got frozen and turned into homemade jam last month.
Herbs did well and we had more peppers and tomatoes than we could eat. A winter's worth of garlic is drying in the basement.
We're trying to find new ways to eat sweet potatoes since we have enough to eat 2lbs every days for the next 3-4 months.
The two apple trees, the fig, and the grapes are another year from producing fruit though.
Last year we bought 3 winter squash at the store and planted the seeds. Ended up with something like 75 squash last winter.

>>64568628
>no rural good neighbors
Accurate, most rural people are worse than city people. And before you try a gotcha, niggers and spics aren't people.

Post 2022 /k/ is comically deluded.

>Nah the bum fuck office/retail retard who shares a studio apartment with 5+ strangers would totally own the heavily armed rural chuds who live 100 miles from the nearest big-medium city.

>>64582628
Do you have chicken? They're frens :)

>>64583301
t. suburban-tard who thinks the rural hicks are going to accept him and not shoot him on sight

>>64583301
>thinks 100 miles is far
you're fat

>>64568628
WROL happens more in rural areas with less people around. You're better off in a big city in a WROL scenario.

>>64577474
>considers running in a forest screaming to your friend pretending to be special forces a skill

>>64568628
>SHTF
What's about with Americans constantly fantasizing about those silly scenarios? You live in one of the most stable countries on Earth, nothing is going to happen.
If you want an exciting life then join some three letter agency.

>>64568641
This
OP is a fag.

>>64568698
lol

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>>64585372
>you're better off in place that will instantly become embroiled in riots and unchecked gang violence in WROL than in place where a roaming gang might come to take your stuff, maybe, if they bother to spend a bunch of time and resources raiding rural households which also tend to be pretty poor on average

>>64570449
You dropped your crown, king.

>>64582274
I got both of my monos for $1300ish. Mount was 400 so $3k for gen 3 gp mystery spec binos without any blems I can see with my eyes.

>>64583294
Cosmopolitan attitudes from redditors. I reckon we're at least 50/50 redditor to non redditor ratio at this point. The spacing says it all

>>64582549
You think that shit from the treatment facility is any better for you?
I used to work with a dude who worked in one, said he'd never touch tap water again in his life.

>>64586192
Those scenarios are from people who maybe wanted to serve, but didn't want to fight for kikes and niggers

>>64586192
If the government loses control even for a moment a group who's revolutionary for whatever reason might think this is their chance. In very generic terms these are opportunists. Often what they want to do or end up doing is loot, purge and otherwise exploit the chance, simple as. And your safety in very realistic terms depends on the government offering protection, which isn't guaranteed in every situation. You can make your scenarios unrealistic or realistic as you want, but what is true is that majority of people are kept from doing things because they fear of consequences. Not morals. If you want to murder somebody a hurricane coming in is going to give you that chance.

Speaking of "zombie apocalypse" or whatever else is just a socially acceptable proxy for saying something more real and tangible and controversial, like that your neighbour really really really likes your teenage daughter and dislikes you. And you don't want to risk of something happening.

>>64587374
>And your safety in very realistic terms depends on the government offering protection, which isn't guaranteed in every situation.
>isn't guaranteed in every situation.
I find it humorous the cosmopolitans aren't realizing the police already can't meet their needs, but they'll totally do awesome in a shtf scenario

>>64587392
I tried to explain SHTF movement in words which would fit any and every ear. If you don't trust the pigs on anything that's your prerogative. I don't trust them much either but I have to live in a world where they ultimately dictate everything. And so do you. So don't give me shit about it.

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>>64586208

Bunch of urbanites going to end up getting DELIVERANCED.com

>>64587413
You're just mad you're going to be quarantined in your shitty metro by the last remnants of "order"
Enjoy your starvation and getting killed over toilet paper

>>64587429
And it's going to be fucking amazing. They still won't learn humility, but still something they deserve

>>64587451
I doubt that. But what do I know, I'm not psychic / psychotic.

>>64587429
>posting a rifle that isn't yours

>>64587459
Even in the best of times city folk tear at each other. Now imagine when it's not good times. Covid 2020 2.0 times 10

>>64586208
read some history

>>64587729
>covid 2020
>no one went outside and animals actually went out more because there were less humans
>even in cities
>was very peaceful
>anon thinks it was mad max
lmao what

>>64587729
>Covid 2020 2.0 times 10
>city people were murdering each other
I hope you get shot by random hick when the happening happens

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>>64588305
History is that the Ukrainian Kulaks were genocided because they were unarmed and a bunch of American farmers kicked out the greatest military in the world out of the americas because they all owned hunting rifles. If they have the option, city criminals and government thugs will prey on the vulnerable rurals. But when the going gets tuff and all the farmers have access to food and weapons, the organized minority obtains power.

>>64588309
>>64588309
Don't know about you, but my city was on fucking fire

>>64588625
You'll get capped by an opportunistic nigger on day 1 faggot

>>64589000
This happened well after everyone was disarmed, nice try you tankie fuck

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>>64589012
teleporting brown people with aimbot will kill us all

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>64589019
You live in a metro, you have them everywhere :)

>>64588305
"... and then a famine hit and the city was burnt to the ground for 50 years until king Bigdick the 11th refounded it and settled local peasants in it"

>>64568628
>MUH BASED RURAL LARP
God you faggots are intolerable with this shit. You think that your economically unviable third world shithole is going to survive without shartmart? Pfft.

>>64568840
Your blind faith that rural retard grifters won’t destroy themselves with “I KNOW WHAT I GOT” is way worse.

>>64569285
Team anti-raider. I’m going to make myself valuable shooting people like you or die and then it won’t be a problem.
I win either way.

>>64568628
Wait a minute, weren’t ruralfags in Appalachia literally crying up rivers about Biden not giving them enough money the SECOND they had a real disaster? Where’s this survivalist spirit in a real world situation? I’m starting to think the ruralfags are full of shit.>>64568628

>>64586208
>cities lack the manpower to fight roving gangs
What’s it like to be that stupid?

>>64580202
>cauterizing
You only do that as an absolute last resort if no other avenues for unstoppable bloodloss are possible and if no wound cleaning management is possible.
Please for the love of god do not ever consider cauterization unless a limb has been removed and you have zero chance of getting the person to surgery within ~2 hours tourniquet limit.

>>64589171
Surgery and proper sterilization procedures? HOCK-PTOOEY that’s fer dem city bois!

>>64577525
kinda based mentality. rifle is pristine tho

>>64579930
>you can learn better info on treating a gunshot wound than any revolutionary or civil war surgeon would have had on google
boy do I have news for you about their mortality rates.

>>64589103
now read some modern history
like all those ukrainian farmers who fought off the russian war machine
oh wait

>>64579930
>I’m going to have access Google during a SHTF scenario!
Lol smartest rural dweller

>>64589199
>he doesn't keep 80GB of texts on his phone along with a beefy battery backup and a 10 watt solar panel
and that's why you're NGMI
bet you think ham boomers are silly too

>>64589200
You got me anon. In a collapse situation I was planning on doing something stupid and trying to talk to my neighbors.

>>64586192
SHTF can mean a variety of things, including government kinda limp wristing a response to a natural disaster. look at how militias and cops out of uniform were gunning down anyone non-white after Katrina hardly 2 decades ago.

Watch "Hurrican Katrina: Race Against Time" to be more informed.

>>64570449
Become and hero

>>64568628
who are you quoting? survive what?

>>64589195
What even is your arguement? That urbanites who can't keep a houseplant will somehow survive a SHTF situation but farmers who feed said urbanites won't?

>>64589238
a lot of assumptions about people who live in cities lol, you're not a wise guru because you can't afford urban life you're just poor

you assume hungry people won't raid farms
you assume the government won't confiscate your farm if you refuse to provide food
you're wilfully ignorant about what people will do when they are desperate

>>64577702
That is not at all what I wrote. I was pointing out that a large portion of "the government" on the levels you are likely to see is going to range from pathetically ineffective to outright malevolent.

As for the nong who suggested there are no racial undercurrents in the armed forces: that's cute.

>>64568628
I have 3 acres in Texas just outside of a town of 1000 people. I'm on well water with solar. I do rainwater collection for watering my garden. I have a ruger 10/22 and an old stevens 311 12 gauge double barrel. I think I'll be fine.

>>64589266
>you assume hungry people won't raid farms
"Alright everyone, load up! We're going to drive until we see corn fields!" This is you. This is what you sound like.

>>64589218
If you want to meme, at least do it correctly

>>64589305
yes

we are going to fucking kill you

>>64589329
Why do Redditors always seem to suffer the worst from Dunning-Kruger Syndrome?

>>64589373
I dunno you would have to ask all these rural dudes who apparently have 10 acres of self sufficient farmland backed up by their private armed militias

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>>64589266
>you assume hungry people won't raid farms
Right, and eat the dirt and manure i guess
>you assume the government won't confiscate your farm if you refuse to provide food
The premise of a shtf scenario is that there is no scenario
>you're wilfully ignorant about what people will do when they are desperate
Die, mostly
>a lot of assumptions about people who live in cities lol, you're not a wise guru because you can't afford urban life you're just poor
I lack nothing

>>64589455
no they kill your animals and take your shit after killing you

>>64589320
damn, auto correct won't let me meme in peace

>>64589006
No it wasn't. A small handful of buildings were MAYBE. Stop watching fox news.

>>64578989
You can download the technical specification of HESCO barriers from their website. To achieve the same amount of protection it would be hard, but if you aim is SHTF, bullets and maybe small grenades should be your only worry, in which case the improvised barrier would work but be very time consuming.

>>64589266
Urbanites will go for the closer food first, raid grocery stores, raid their neighbors for canned food and water, then work their way out to the suburbs. By that point on your farm you should have harvested what you could and burned the rest to make yourself look less like a target. Then sit it out, kill the few nigs who escape the cities, and wait for civilization to reform.

>>64568643
yes, though it becomes an issue when these people go out and poison the preparedness well. I think a lot of it is driven by insecurity (the need to confirm to a masculine persona) rather than utility or self expression. Disaster survival is as much owning a small seed bank, having comms, and keeping a stockpile of medicine, but those aren't """manly""" things to spend money on, hence the splurging on NVGs and level 5 plates.

It's like Black Rifle Coffee. Normal dudes are going to drink Nescafe, guys who genuinely find joy from drinking coffee are going to get the artisanal blends, and the guys who don't have the self esteem to not constantly be performing are gonna get the Super Duper Penis Balls Gun Bro Coffee for Manly Men.

>>64574000
I still eat my boogers.