What does more damage, a dozen drones or thousands of large caliber rounds haphazardly being shot into a 250k sized city?
>>65051418A dozen drones can cause millions of dollars in damage to military systems and/or infrastructure. Bombarding a Russian city with AAA stimulates the domestic economy by creating thousands of new jobs in construction and potential for urban renewal and real estate development.
>>65051425So you're saying the Russians have finally invented Keynesian economics?
>>65051428>>65051425That's just broken window fallacy. For it to be Keynesian economics it needs to be one step further unhinged and posit animal spirits that our actions manipulate.
>>65051425AA Cuck Colonels cousin is a glazier, he'll get you fixed right up
>>65051418Just add more concrete, russia has been repairing damage to its refineries for years now
>>65051418Did this shit happen again or is this old footage I haven't seen
>>65051433>t. 10-time receiver of the Fell For It Again Award
>>65051418A dozen droneshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtNr3fUtDMWhen I see all that tracer I think, and for every one you see there are 10s more and I think they just shot enought ammo into the sky that cost enough to rebuild a school, even though they have burnt through their soverign wealth fund because putin is insane and russia is a nation of retards.
>>65051425We need to megaboost Russian economy by nuking Russia.
>>65051425>>65051428>>65051433perfection>>65051418there must be at least one sorry sod who died in that, right?
>>65051533It happened this night in Novorossiysk.
>>65051433>For it to be Keynesian economicsyou have to have an economy. Russia is broke. It's a run down gas station in bumbfuck nowhere where the crazy old owner raided the cash box and nothing has been cleaned or maintained in 40 years. The toilet has no door and is blocked, the cars left are rusting piles of scrap and the kid beding the counter needs help trying his shoes laces and was taken out of school at 7 because he kept drooling. The things that his me most is Russia population decline, in 2022 was 145-146 million. The guesstimate now is 142 to 144 and no one really knows because Putin suspended taking a census. Russia is evaporating away. IT's giant socirt stockpile is gone, itr's national wealth fund is gone 1.3 million men are gone or amputees and another million of it's youngest and most able have vanished overseas. For what? a 100KM strip of bombed out land on the coast of the sea of Azov and to do what? Spite the Ukranians and stop them from having ikea? Russia does not have an economy left one bit owes vast sums to another bit which owes them to another bit and no one has any money.
>>65051575https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ausMT1dLhw8
>>65051602>one bit owes vast sums to another bit which owes them to another bit and no one has any moneywelcome to Keynesian economics
>>65051602bad news boss, someone stole the shithole
Business idea: Armored drone without a payload that just flies around Russian cities at angles that make air defense cuckolds shoot up their own city
>>65051614>armoured decoyit has to have a payload otherwise they'll just ignore it the same way we don't bother shooting down chaff
>>65051575>those beamsCrests are sending Floating Discs to assault Russia, warcrime
>>65051630Ah, I don't think Russian AA has much networking in terms of who's shooting at what. They're just shooting until they're out of bullets or barrels
>>65051640They are, the uncensored footage is here- >>65051392
>>65051630>chaffnoice 40k wordback to >>>/tg/
>>65051425I don't remember this episode of Xavier Renegade Angel
>>65051640Hohol alliance with alien forces confirmed, drone-delivered Sectoids when?
Ziggers are going to flip their lid when they realise Ukies summoned Cthulu
>>65051696>Ziggers are going to flip their lidof the Kuznetsov, if only to check that containment really did fail
>>65051680The Bio-Labs were real!?
>>65051630the people manning these guns are going to shoot at anything in the air, anon.
>>65051658Good job on outing yourself, (You) need to go back.
>>65051658???Is this bait?
>>65051658What kind of underage retard thinks Chaff is a word 40k invented?
>>65051575If someone told me this was a screenshot from a mid 2000s era Half Life 2 mod depicting the 7 Hour War I would believe them
>>65051658I hope you're ragebaiting.
>>65051418CAN WE PRETEND THATTRACERS IN THE NIGHT SKYARE SHOOTING STARS(BLYAT)CAUSE I CAN REALLY USE AWISH RIGHT NOWWISH RIGHT NOWWISH RIGHT NOW(BLYYAAAT)
>>65051630>>65051641>>65052021remember when they started shooting at one of their own helicopters?
>>65051640
>>65052234>Budanov's collection agency
>>65052134>7-hour SMO
>>65051428>>65051433>Out of no where, people are seething at KeynesHe really is the Stiener of economics.
>>65051575this shot is one of the kinoest in the entire warburning adding color to the clouds really works on the atmosphere of apocalypseshit looks like Warhammer 40k battlefield
>>65051613Well shit, I'm starting to understand why Russian are so hyped about stealing toilet seats in Ukraine.
>>65051630Kek, how would you even tell the difference from the ground?
I would very much like to see the repair reports for how hard it is to fix damage from stray rounds like 14.5mm AP-I on things like refineries, i have often though about what something like half a ton of incendiary lazydogs hitting a refinery, airport or oil terminal via ballistic missile would do. Against a large target intercepting them would not do much since there is no warhead to detonate and it was going to airburst miles above the target anyway.Might not even need missiles, a Baba Yaga could carry a hundred or so and carry them high enough so they would drop at terminal velocity. 14.5mm AP-I lazydogs would go through at least 25-30mm of steel (.50 could do 20mm) so just start pissing them onto storage tanks.
>>65052411>the air defence cuckold will be forced to watch his refineries be subjected to golden shower treatment
>>65052451The place would be pissing itself for years with a solid attack; it would be almost impossible to find all the holes (especially in back up systems) and in a shitty refinery the fault detection might not register a few pin pricks. So just imagine a refinery covered in hundreds of piss puddles but flamable piss. Or if it's Natural Gas it's constantly farding itself near a lighter.
>>65051418I'm out of the loop, what is this? Is that air defense shooting at drones or something?
>>65051575Last news during the attack was that the local Pantsirs had run out of missiles. (Ukraine hit the production line like two months ago.)
>>65052493Yes
>>65051418reminder all of those lose bullets eventually end up somewhere (or in someone)
>>65051645>woman 1 touches woman 2's boobso groping is fine, but some anonymous web surfing is a crimeclassic russia
>>65052559
>>65051613>10000 rubles for an outhouse >Nobody though of at least putting a portapootie indoors>Vanya just nicks it for kindle What the fuck is this society How do they even function How have not they devolved to cannibalism yet
>>65052591lucky guy, he got the tracer
>>65052591>>65052640>one single impact directly into the engine blockThat is some karma right there, what did this guys do?
>>65051425I just fucking love Colville. Wish I could afford to buy an original one day.>>65052134lelToo acurate.
>>65052643Cry, probably. There's no way he got reimbursed and insurance companies in Puccia aren't particularly trustworthy.
>>65052643Nork 14.5mm. It saw a Kia and the Songun Spirt inbued in the round by the glorious Cholima workers of Juche Korea handled the siduation according to the wisdom of Sung, this is obviously an extreme case of 'on the spot' guidance.
>>65052493Now I'm curious, when you watched the video, what did you think it was?
>>65052591>plastic valve cover welp
>>65052608>How have not they devolved to cannibalism yetNot even Russians want to eat toxic waste.
>>65051575new Kobzon concert is lit
>>65052578>so groping is finejust a bit of good fun>but some anonymous web surfing is a crimesubversive activity
>>65051418>large caliber roundsMachine gun bullets and even small autocannon don't actually do that much damage against structures.If it is mostly 12.7mm and 14.5mm then it will penetrate walls and roofs, but it isn't knocking down buildings. Might start some fires.
>>65051610>welcome to Keynesian economicsIncrease prices and cost of living faster than wages to deplete worker savings. Then import infinity jeets to work at low wages and get low income housing assistance to rent from large landlords corporations.Russia is so far behind the West.
>>65053183You know how thin those commmieblock walls are?
>>65053200Not particularily. Ol commieblocks used fucking reinforced concrete panels. It's why the damn things are still standing, and why they don't immediately crumble wholesale when you yeet a missile into one.
>>65053193Don't worry, Russia is speedrunning all of that.But there won't be any assistance, and the landlords will be disowned.
>>65053183Did you know buildings exist to put valuable things inside them?
>>6505323912.7 will stil go through one wall without any trouble, probably two.And 14.5 will go through two or three.
>>65053278I mean yes but this is Russia so who knows.
>>65053281>>65053239>6-8 inch potato quality concrete slabs>The 14.5mm KPV heavy machine gun, using B-32 Armor-piercing incendiary full metal jacket rounds with a tungsten-carbide core, can penetrate approximately 32mm of rolled homogeneous armor>Concrete requires approximately 10 to 2.5 times the thickness of RHA to achieve equivalent protection against kinetic energy penetrators
I can't wait to see the aftermath of this shitshow.
>>65053304The new world order is going to be alot weirder than anyone could have imagined:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PFMV7lOX9pA>Florida Man and Rocket man hooked up, need it or keep it?
Not the first time, not the last.
>>65052242>Accepting donations
>>65051418Like classic footage from the Pacific, but now in living color.
>>65053293>6-8 inchOnly the staircase is that sturdy, the outer panels are half that at best. So yeah maybe you can shelter in the staircase.
>>65052278the Atlas network has spent literally decades systematically undermining his work across the west to the tune of billions of dollars in lobbying, astroturfing and propaganda. Its not that surprising that you get a knee-jerk reaction whenever he is mentioned online
>>65053498>mathsLike 50/50 chance staircase plus wall would do it, since most stairs were next to exterior walls hiding in the center of the building with 3-4 walls would probably be best. Interior apartment corner would be a good choice.
>>65051645>guy fawkes masksand people say this website has contributed nothing to the culture
>>65053509if anything, it has contributed too much.
>>65052608There have been a surprising amount of Russian cannibals.
>>65053491What ship is firing? This might let me do something that has been theorised about a few times: figuring out what the weight of fire you would get by putting a gun in every other window of the Hotel of Doom.
>>65051418Maybe it's just me but seeing tracer fire from multiple directions on a target is cool to watch
>>65053590If you look closely they are firing so much 14.5 and 23mm from seperate angles that they are bouncing off each other mid air.
>>65053624
>>65053580keep your trip on, Norktard>figuring out what the weight of fire you would get by putting a gun in every other window of the Hotel of Doomjust count the number of dots in that photo and multiply by twin KPVTs, idiot
>>65053531Or no one is surprised by the amount of Russian cannibals
>>65052608>How have not they devolved to cannibalism yetRussia is very big and produces a lot of foodif you extend the metaphor to prostitution, however, they have been at it for quite some time
I wonder if they also put API rounds in 23 mm belts. At least the 23 mm HE rounds have a time fuze so they'll self-destruct in mid-air (assuming Comrade Private Ivan doesn't go a bit too low in elevation)
>>65053412Isn't that the same situation the guy from the earlier video got his engine block shot in?
>>65053412I love the excited fist bump>we did igor! we saved the city!
>>65053827i was trying to be polite and aviod drama. >just count the number of dots in that photo and multiply by twin KPVTs, idiotAnd how many 23mm or even 57mm? No matter your politics it is a 1000 meter tall wall nof guns. Unless you nuke it the thing is indructable, a convential attack on Pyongyang is effectivally impossible.
>>65054355>No matter your politicsI don't give a damn about all that, i was just telling you to do it the hard wayat work we often calculate how long it would take to write a macro, or simply do something the old-fashioned way; often it is the latter
>>65054355I would like to immediatly apologize for this low quaity post, i'm drunk, and i don't give a fuck.
>>65054363bit early innit?oh well it is 7.30pm in Pyongyang, I suppose
>>65054238Yes
>>65054238Yep
>>65054238You betcha
>>65054238It had enough energy left in it on the plunging fire to go through the bonnet/hood, the cam cover and decided to sleep down between the lobeshttps://x.com/TheDeadDistrict/status/1792587008558108802
>>65052608Oh, they experimented with it, but for the most part it hasn't stuck.
>>65053827The windows are bigger than that, they can fit things larger than ZU-4s or rotary guns. I wanted to try to use the mass of the ship and the area taken up by the guns to get a rough estimate of how much power generation and compartmentalised ammo storage the building could hold. The issue isn't how much firepower the building could be outfitted with it is how much sustained firepower. They can only rely on the internal elevators and staircases to supply and power it once combat starts, the first thing that will go once it starts getting hit is the big funiculars on the corners.
>if a n invades your home to take your shit and you shoot him dead you might have to pay to replace some of your floor tiles afterwards. bet you didn't think of that huh
>>65053239Nobody uses concrete without steel reinforcement.
>>65052608>a portapootie indoorsPermafrost and no one is going to spend money building the plumbing infrastructure
>>65052608
>>65056845this isn't a problem with Russian stairs, all the problems in the webm is drunk Russians
>>65056571>>if you invade your neighbor cuz your shitter doesn't exist and try to shoot his family and run over his dog with your rusty truck, but he beats the shit out of you and you run back to your shack, he then goes after you and tries to sieze your weapons so you won't shoot at him and tries to leak your gas so you won't run over hos dog again, because of that you fucking shoot at your inbred family
>>65058057Is soviet made stair, is good.Please wait 5-6 business years for a service technician to attend
>>65051613>the framework of a former toilet>now resembling a toiletSome truly metaphorical imagery right there
>>65052234>this is Moscow>and this is Moscow after the alien attack
>>65058233In some ways, you don't want the literal imagery. Which is just more man made horrors
>>65053200>You know how thin those commmieblock walls are?Not particularly, and the concrete was pretty good quality for the time. The outer walls are a total bitch to even drill into.t. grew up in one of these shits>>65053281>12.7 will stil go through one wall without any trouble, probably two.Not several km downrange at the end of its trajectory having lost over 90% of its muzzle energy, it won't.
>>65052559were all tracers )))))))
>>65051433How to reveal yourself to be a complete idiot, the post
>>65058057>drunk RussiansSo, Russians.
>>65058238I was saying that a former toilet now looking more like a gallows pole is an apt metaphor for putin 's russia
>>65052608>How have not they devolved to cannibalism yetThere have been a surprising number of convicted cannibals who got pardons for going to the SMO.Literally convicted of eating people and pardoned for duty to the state.
>>65053183>Machine gun bullets and even small autocannon don't actually do that much damage against structures.It's the oil/gas tanks and pipelines that would suffer from it.>>65053200>You know how thin those commmieblock walls are?Do you?Clearly not, commieblocks are often built to withstand nuclear war.Complexes of commieblocks are designed so that outer rows of apartments shield inner structures that can serve as shelters.Underground carparks and lockups serve as bunkers (metro stations too).This came out of soviet paranoia about nuclear war and it serves roughly the same purpose today.Look at picrel, tall rows of apartment buildings at the outside of the complex, sheltering lower structures inside the complex. The apartment buildings catch incoming ordinance and the schools and such inside are protected. Same deal with blast waves too.
>>65053200They are this thin.
>>65053251I've always been unhappy with that meme.I've fixed what was bothering me.
>>65053281>12.7 will stil go through one wall without any trouble, probably two.Maybe in direct fire, I wouldn't know but as a missed shot or in plunging fire, no it doesn't.The way I know this is that there are regularly pictures of bullets embedded into walls and pavement and while you wouldn't want to be hit by one, they're not dangerous to any hard surface.>>65053293>6-8 inch potato quality concrete slabsSoviet (and in most cases ex-soviet also) concrete isn't poor quality.This isn't modern China, Russia legitimately has decent concrete production and doesn't seem to substitute sand into it like Chinese apartment developers and Italian mafia-owned bridge construction companies. Weird I agree but even the most fucked up regime can do a few things right and totalitarian and corrupt commies tend to be ok at concrete.https://youtu.be/LWKwbrG9TFg?t=122
>>65053371Fuck off norktard, bestkorea is a shitty totalitarian hellhole that torments its own people and the privileged few who enjoy its society will ultimately end up dragged through its streets.
>>65053412>Not the first time, not the last.air defence is a flat circle
>>65051658drunkpost detected
>>65053580>the Hotel of DoomGiven it's structural problems, I wonder what an asymmetric deployment of seismic bombs would do to it?Drop the foundations a few feet on one side and let the building destroy itself.>a few T-12 Cloudmakers or Grand Slams dropped near the base>only on one or two adjacent sides>could crack the bedrock under the foundations>the buildings own weight will further crush the bedrock>half its foundations drop some feet>cracks the foundations>induces torque onto every horizontal slab in the building>cracking slabs propagate up the building with each extra one putting more torque on the slab above it>the side of the building still vertical leans into the lopsided side>limited resistance to lateral force in the lopsided side means the vertical side loses support and leans further>physics happensThis could make a real mess of the neighbourhood.
>>65051640Crests, bum touching crests!
>>65051575
>>65058873That was such a great sound track for our roleplaying sessions.
>>65058673Younger muscovites prefer drugs
>>65051425This is why russia is stronk and america will fall, they send their missile at iran thus creating a negative comercial balance yet they don't boost their own construction sector.
>>65051658>all these retarded autists that can't understand a joke that use ironykeep going even if 90% of the board is too retarded to understand
>>65058660>t. seething Keynsian
>>65058761Great show overall, but I particularly love this scene.
>>65052493>Is that air defense(dudes with AKs)
>>65052608>>Nobody though of at least putting a portapootie indoorsRural/old people sometimes can be opposed to indoor toilets to this day. "It's those who have indoor toilet who are savages, not us! It will stink the whole home with shit! Outhouse is therefore more hygienic, you see, not even wild beasts shit in the same place where they eat and sleep". Something like that. >>Vanya just nicks it for kindle>What the fuck is this societySomething that is not clearly someone's (like a car, or home), or not behind the fence is seen as noone's. A pile of freshly delivered sand/gravel/coal in front of someone's home? I'd go grab a bucket and get some for myself. A gate in the fence is open, and there's no owner in sight? I'd walk in and take some piece of junk that lies around. It's not even seen as theft.
>>65051418should put the gun inside the drone so it can fly around and shoot down other drones, instead of spraying it across the sky
>>65059664i gots you
>>65052591>WHAT IS THIS>WHO DID THIS
>>65059405>I was only pretending
>>65059676Fucking ninja drones throwing their shurikens like they own the place!
>>65059676they should put a tail gun on the one way attack drone or escort it with gun drones. maybe throw in a tiny ball turret for good measure.
>>65059723um yeah, he was pretending to be a russian and that countermeasures was sci-fi from the pov of a vatniggerare you THAT retarded that you must also double down on being a retard?
>>65059777Yeah, and who would man this tiny ball turret? A little person? You would not find a man mad enough to do so.
>>65052278He wasn't just wrong, he was forced down the throats of millions of college students over the decades who took Micro (which made logical sense), and then took Macro, which made about as much sense as voodoo.Oh, and governments kept using him as an excuse for rampant deficit spending.
>>65052278>everything will be alright when Keynes breaks through>>65053506the OECD has spent literally the entire 21st century attempting Keynesian economic central planning because number go up good, number go down bad, you will own nothing and be happy>>65059824>and governments kept using him as an excuse for rampant deficit spendingand control, because governments hate the free market and want the economy under their controlin the words of Frederick Forsyth, "the currency of capitalism is money, and the currency of Communism is power"
>>65060375>Frederick Forsyth, "the currency of capitalism is money, and the currency of Communism is power"Kind of an L take. Money and power are fungible at the scale of states.
>>65060424it's a bit of oversimplification but Forsyth was a left-leaning capitalist in denial, like most Western literatibut in general, it is accurate. unelected bureaucrats always push for high-tax, high-welfare societies because it brings more and more of the country's economic output under their control, instead of under the control of companies and consumers.that way, people who have never actually gone out to the real world and sold a single product in their lives for its own features can sit in the halls of power and direct the employment of hundreds of millions of dollars of other people's money, because of course they know best.after all, they>obtained a Bachelor of Arts in Political Science and Sociology>had training as a cellist>was initially employed as a social worker, assisting with a community life skills project and working with children with disabilities>and then worked as an advocate for People First ACT, a support and advocacy organisation for the intellectually disabledclearly a financial genius.
>>65052319Needs a few titans shopped in
>>65053162Lmao, didn’t realize he was from Donetsk originally
>>65060375>governments hate the free market and want the economy under their controlNot as much as capitalists hate the free market and want the economy under their control.
>>65060477Sure sure and I suppose you're a pro free market communist then
>>65060486No, no, free market democracy is the best we have because it sucks slightly less than everything else.I'm just not enamoured of it either.If I had a better idea, you'd have already read my manifesto.
>>65060477you think posting a whataboutist meme by economic-central-planning worshippers will get you anywhere?for any product you buy today, you can>turn the packaging around and read exactly what it provides you in terms of calories and vitamins, or Ghz, or mileage, or sqm of shelter>read the price tag telling you exactly how many units your $ is buying>look up the company and read about how much revenue they got and how they spent it>read the financial statement and calculate for yourself if they really are that good, or just blowing smoke up your arseand, very importantly>decide to buy a competing or alternative product on the same shelf, and switch over within a matter of days or secondsbut all that is worse, according to you, than simply consooming the products or services assigned to you by>the financial geniuses in government who bring their skills from a lifetime of training and experience in managing troubled children to managing your money for you>who can't give you a simple report informing how many of what did your dollars buy, just their word that they're doing a stellar job>and if you want to outsource your personal spending decisions to someone else, you'll have to wait four and a bit years to switch to some other childcare quant genius>that is, if at least 30 or 40% of the rest of the entire fucking nation agrees with you>otherwise, no sir you can't cancel your subscriptioncause clearly the latter is better than the former.>>65060501>If I had a better ideaoh great so it's just a kernel of opinion from the peanut gallery
>>65060522>oh great so it's just a kernel of opinion from the peanut galleryJust like your posts.>>turn the packaging around and read exactly what it provides you in terms of calories and vitamins, or Ghz, or mileage, or sqm of shelter>>read the price tag telling you exactly how many units your $ is buying>>look up the company and read about how much revenue they got and how they spent it>>read the financial statement and calculate for yourself if they really are that good, or just blowing smoke up your arseEvery one of those was resisted, lobbied, sued over and only happened over the screaming complaints and despite immense efforts by corporations and captains of industry and many, many other reforms have failed because they used their media to convince the public that reforms and safety are just something hippies care about and you shouldn't be like hippies.
>>65060546>Every one of those was resisted, lobbied, sued overyes, and then you decided to bin all that in favour of a system which has none of that
>>65059687kek. miss that show
>>65051418where's the video with sound?
>>65052234Turns out the Posadists were right
>>65060375Don't look up change in US government febt under Republican governments :(
>>65059822I'm sure ukies can hook up with Anglo-Saxon biolabs to produce gnomified clones of Ol' Boris for this job
>>65059822Just tell the manlet that they'll have to find a taller person to do it and he'll get a machinegun
>>65061339you've seen how it's impossible for anyone to advocate small government in this day and age, the amount of pushback that DOGE etc receivedit doesn't help that most voters don't understand finance but have been brainwashed to automatically kneejerk that "austerity is LE BAD, the bureaucrats said so, it must be true!"(nobody sees the irony in chanting "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" while at the same time swearing blind that a high-tax high-welfare state is the only way to go, "DUH!")with an annual GDP of $31 trillion and spending of $7 trillion, and outstanding debt of $38 trillion, the fairest thing one could propose would be a flat spending cut across the board, knocking $1 trillion off public debt every year for the next decade at least, while keeping everything else equalbut it's SO VERY EASY to spin this as an initiative for the billionaires in all kinds of ways, the same way they are spinning the Iran war right now>bombing Iran / cutting federal spending is really bad for our foreign relations and diplomatic service!!>bombing Iran / cutting federal spending is really bad for our minorities and senior citizens and children and NEETs and undocumented migrants and other vulnerable groups!!>bombing Iran / cutting federal spending is really bad for our science and technology research!!*>bombing Iran / cutting federal spending is really bad for the environment and climate change!!>bombing Iran / cutting federal spending is really bad for our foreign relations and diplomatic service!!>bombing Iran / cutting federal spending sets a really bad legal precedent and is virtually illegal!!etc*don't look up how much public funding goes to sinecures for tenured professors emeritus in black lesbian cultural studies or whatever
>>65060556>and then you decided to bin all that in favour of a systemI did no such thing.I was just stating that free market capitalism is only slightly less bad than the alternatives and that capitalists absolutely loathe a free market.They claim to love a free market but cheat to get to the top, then change the rules to try and prevent anyone else getting there afterwards.
>>65061361>nobody sees the irony in chanting "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy"Nobody I know has ever said that or professed that general sentiment, you're putting words in their mouths.I think maybe some futurist like Cory Doctorow said something like that once? I can't speak to the intentions of whoever it was that said it but although I broadly align with the transhumanists and anarcho-techno-fetishists, it doesn't make me a blind follower of any of them and nobody else I know is either.Now if you said "billionaires will own nothing" then you'd be advocating something closer to my views.You're just simping for power, do you hope that they'll give you some wealth or power if you glaze them enough?I suppose that these are at least deities that could potentially answer a prayer so your position isn't entirely irrational.
>>65061513>I think maybe some futurist like Cory Doctorow said something like that once?NTA but that quote comes directly from German economist and former Executive Chairman of the World Economic Forum Klaus Schwab
>>65061361DOGE got pushback because they cut erratically and they were redundant. We have auditors and decision makers for cutting funds already. Trump is just a retard in his faggot era with Musk, trying to make headlines. They cut several homeland security programs that actually had to be refunded.
>>65061513>Nobody I know has ever said thatwhich, as >>65061522 pointed out, just goes to show how little you know
>>65061361>you've seen how it's impossible for anyone to advocate small government in this day and age, the amount of pushback that DOGE etc receivedThe pushback against DOGE is from people not trusting Musk to be honest about the job and how he handled it. In the end he didn't save shit thanks to tax cuts for the rich, cut the parts that regulate his own companies and a bunch of 19 year olds ran off with your SSN.Literally everyone wants an "efficient" government, but people just can't agree on what is efficient because they can't even agree on what are the goals of a government.>>65061513>I think maybe some futurist like Cory Doctorow said something like that once?Doctorow is the guy who invented the term enshittification, he's been raging against that type of economy for years. You really got that example tremendously wrong, from what you wrote you'll probably quite like the guys writing.
>>65061573this is too nuanced a take for me to get truly buttmad about
>>65060546>Every one of those was resisted, lobbied, sued overWhich is good and correct, because there should be pushback on government initiatives. By definition. Doesn't matter if you view a specific initiative as "good".
>>65061361You don't even need to knock out $1 trillion per year. Even if you knock it down by $100-300 billion per year consistently it will go down over time both in absolute values and relative values (as the GDP grows the % drops).
>>65061573The issue is how people hijack terms and then discredit them. All of the retarded and damaging bullshit DOGE did was done under the PR umbrella of "small government" and "government efficiency", thus when they've obviously and expectedly fucked up they took the terms with them. It's similar to how in russia "democracy", "liberals/liberalism" (which in Europe means way different things than in the US btw) and "reforms" are borderline curse words because all of the fuckness of the 90's, which as by and large a results of decades of soviet rot finally exposed for everyone to see, got blamed on democracy, reforms and liberals.
>>65061616I think some drastic pruning is in order. it could also be as simple as 10% off every govt spending category. but 1 trillion is a nice round number for the sake of illustration>GDP growthin a *controlled* landing, slashing 1 trillion of govt spending is at least going to cause 1.4 trillion of GDP shrink, that is if the shock of the US flipping to austerity for the first time in decades isn't further exaggeratedbut it's a much-needed correction, IMHOand look, before anyone accuses me of defending billionaires *again*, the main losers should be stock market speculators
>>65060522>GUBMINT BAD!!!>Lists things like product labels, financial statements and as proof of free market working when they're proof of regulations attempting to fix market failures and which companies would immediately abandon if no longer enforced get a load of this guy lel
>>65053528there was a line where we should have stopped and we crossed it a long time ago, so lets keep going and see what happens
>>65060522>turn the packaging around and read exactly what it provides you in terms of calories and vitamins, or Ghz, or mileage, or sqm of shelterbecause of government intervention mandating that such information be included>read the price tag telling you exactly how many units your $ is buyingbecause of consumer protection laws requiring fair and easily understandable pricing strategies>look up the company and read about how much revenue they got and how they spent itBecause of government legislation mandating transparency>read the financial statement and calculate for yourself if they really are that good, or just blowing smoke up your arsesee above>decide to buy a competing or alternative product on the same shelf, and switch over within a matter of days or secondsbecause of antitrust laws made and enforced against burgeoning monopolies by governmentYou really aren't selling neoliberalism well with arguments like these
>>65061361just kill old people
>>65061689>>65061671yes, and then you decided to bin all that in favour of a system which has none of thatbut it suits you because then the free market can't hurt your dole
>>65061701no one has actually stated or argued for this you retarded manchild
>>65061638>going to cause 1.4 trillion of GDP shrinkYes and no. You do realize that there will be in fact also positive change with that money not being spent on shit? Including but not limited to the fact that some of those budget financed bozos actually having to go into the labor market and get a job which creates wealth instead of destroying it? Here's you surplus of work force right there. >the shock of the US flipping to austerity for the first time in decades isn't further exaggeratedHence why in a sane situation (oh boy do we wish lol) you'd ease into that, i.e. spend 4 years of decreasing the deficit year after year, e.g. $1.8T -> $1.3T -> $0.8T -> $0T. And then switch to a surplus budget, e.g. $100B -> $150B -> $200B -> $250B and keep it around that for at least a decade (ideally two).
this nigga think fake money is worth anything compared to men with guns
