What is the American equivalent of a knight and is there anything stopping a President from just knighting air force pilots or something?
>>65311021Doesn't exist. Probably should, but doesn't.
>>65311021>>65311025It's cowboys.
>>65311021>What is the American equivalent of a knightThere isn't one.>is there anything stopping a President from just knighting air force pilots or something?Yes, US law explicitly rejects the concept of aristocratic titles. It is not legal for the President or anyone else to create them. It is not legal for anyone in public office to hold them.
>>65311021Article I, section 9, clause 8 of the US Constitution prohibits the US from awarding any "Title of Nobility". I would imagine that a knighthood would be covered by that ban.
>>65311021Knights are simply armed and mounted servants of a lord or king. No such equivalents unless you count Secret Service.Honestly, I'm glad since knights are overrated unless it is the type of knighthood that acts as a prestigious title.
>>65311021No need when the Air Force already does it themselves.
>>65311021You already said it. It's pilots.
>>65311021A sheriff's deputies.
>>65311021Knights as they existed in the Middle Ages are a product of the feudal system. Knights were given land by their king (with peasants tied to said land) giving them a passive income, and in return were given certain responsibilities, such as the obligation to fight for their king in times of war. This system is completely obsolete, and the idea of knights is completely incompatible with a liberal republic such as the USA.
Sheriff's deputies, Texas Rangers, U.S. Marshalls
>>65311069>Knights are simply armed and mounted servants of a lord or king. that would strictly be men at arms or household retainers. knights were the lowest tier of the aristocracy and the title typically came with a gift of land for the knight to sustain themselves. it may or may not be heriditary, even in ye olde times.
>>65311071What a gay LARP
>>65311021>What is the American equivalent of a knight
>>65311021The closest equivalent would be something like Stuart's troopers.
>>65311021What is a Knight even? In English modernity, it’s just an award to signify acclaim of the normies. So the presidential medal of freedom would be a good American equivalent, in which case Oprah and George Clooney would be knights. In the battlefield sense, Knights were extremely powerful and decisive but bringing them too bear was costly and often politically fraught. In this sense, fighter and bomber pilots would be an equivalent. If you’re thinking of the knight as a culture hero, then it could be cowboys or fighter pilots.
>>65311239I wad told that whole thing is carried out by newly minted officers and their subordinates. Basically the subordinates design and present the sword. So if they like you, you get a nice tasteful wall hanger, but if you're an asshole you get the korean MMO weapon.
>>65311066>not legalHasn't stopped Trump.
>>65311021Probably gunslingers like the Rough Riders who were functionally actually pretty similar to knights in that they functioned as protection for agriculture in return for sustenance and supplies when off campaign.
>>65311021There are no parallels
>>65311320> cowboysThey are not warriors. They are literally herdsmen and shepherds. Far closer to peasants than knights.> fighter pilotslmao. Knights had a really hard time mentally adjusting to crossbows. They HATED killing at a distance, and never stopped coping and seething over its growing necessity. They'd view fighter pilots (and also, especially drone pilots) as literal demons-made-flesh and despise them with every fiber of their being.
>>65311069>knights are overrated>posts Vikings of all things
>>65311899Knights were literally some of the first people to try and use aircraft for combat, and this was during a time where traditional cold arms cavalry wearing armor and wielding lances still existed.
>>65311899>Knights had a really hard time mentally adjusting to crossbows.Crossbows weren't THAT good, anon.>They HATED killing at a distance, and never stopped coping and seething over its growing necessity.Nobles were the ones running around shooting people with pistols when that came about.Yeah, I'd imagine a lot of knights were PO'd direct frontal armored charge was less viable, but let's not engage in hatewank here.
>>65311953>Crossbows weren't THAT good, anon.Knights hated them and the church kept trying to ban them, though.> Nobles were the ones running around shooting people with pistols when that came about.This was generally after the decline of knighthood as an institution. It peaked around the 12th-14th century. Handguns in the 14th century were novelties. By the 15th and 16th they became quite common, but the 16th was the end of the knightly age and the dawn of the conscript army.
>>65311899>Knights had a really hard time mentally adjusting to crossbowsNo. Crossbows were not magical "anti-armor" weapons. This meme comes from an exaggeration from Canon 29 of the Second Council of the Lateran of 1139, which bans the usage of crossbows and bows against Christians. But nobody gave a shit about this. >Knights hated them and the church kept trying to ban them, though.If Knights were somehow involved with the Second Council of the Lateran then why does Canon 14 ban tournaments and jousts?
>>65311048a cowboy is quite literally a cattle herder with a cheap revolver to frighten coyotes and thieves with. there's nothing romantic about spending your waking hours around thousands of sweaty cows eating and shitting nonstop under the scorching heat.
>>65311862>>65311077>>65311021>>65311102>mounted (Chinook)>elite>shot by archers three times, keeps manning the reinsI'm kidding though. Slover isn't a knight.He's obviously Astartes.
>>65311021I've been wanting this to happen for so long. Bring back sky knights. Better yet, have an elite "order" in each branch that recognizes ability/achievements....And awards a la the Knight's cross.
>>65311066Creating an order of knighthood wouldn't have to confer any aristocratic benefit... there's nothing stopping Trump from doing this. It could be a special award that would be honorary more akin to a rank.
>>65311048She's got Big Iron.
depends what aspect of knighthood youre looking at?A noble class of warriors? sorta but not really, you could argue that our officers being "sirs" is as close as we get. it doesnt come with land but it does come with other privileges that the enlisted dont get. Elite warriors with the best gear? then you could argue our special forces guys fit that role. Heavy armored cavalry? tanks, etc. Tip of the spear special boys charging at the enemy first and get overly romanticized? Jet pilots
>>65311071>a fucking cosplay sword
>>65312040The church tried to ban shooting anything at any Christian.They also banned tournaments. The thing knights FUCKING loved and did for fun.
>>65311021>>65311069Knighthood exists as multiple forms stretching across almost a milleniaWhat do you mean?
>>65311439It's true I saw it.
>>65311899the Red Baron was a literal knight you sperg and he chose to become a pilot because it was the closest remaining thing to the knightly ideal in warfare.
>>65311239Spoken like a country that can't afford to have anime characters piloting fighter jets. >>65312399The specific make and color of your MAGA hat determines your rank.>t. Whitehat Chad
>>65312316In western lit (as in the genre, so cowboys) they essentially served as knight errants and functioned as a sort of violent purging figure of undesirable characters (violent Indians, robber barons, gangs, Mexicans, etc). It's not 1:1 but there's an argument to be made that the figure represents an evolution of the knight character based on the melding element of the frontier.Reality is obviously different, but it was like this in fiction.
>>65312316Sit down for this one. There was nothing romantic about being a knight either. It was the same as being drafted for military service because your birth made you eligible, complete with people buying their way out of it constantly. Yet the idealized image persists the same way the image of the western gunslinger does.
>>65312339>AstartesI was going to call bullshit but he looks exactly like our boy Titus.
>>65313455lol cope. He was a member of the minor nobility, but by the early 20th century those institutions had nothing in common with their 14th century forms. ALSO flying in WWI couldn't be more different than flying in 2026. >>65312592There were non-clerical crossbow bans, like Conrad III's. Fact is knights just didn't like them.
>>65313461>>>65312399 (You) #>The specific make and color of your MAGA hat determines your rank.>>t. Whitehat ChadI'm not a Trumper...just answering a post.>>>/pol/
>>65313553>He was a member of the minor nobility,Yes. He was literally a knight. He originally signed up as a cavalryman because it was expected of him, as a knight. Then he discovered they mostly did message duties and switched to flying planes because it was more knightly. Cope and seethe, he was a knight.>flying in WW1 couldn't be more different than flying in 2026That's like claiming knights in the Hundred Years War weren't real knights because the horses of the era were significantly larger than in the time Arthurian legends were supposed to be set. It's a stupid argument and you, personally, should feel stupid for making it.
>>65313560If you don't own guns you should go there yourself, or maybe reddit is more your speed. If you do own guns, either you probably voted for him or you aren't American, either/or.
>>65311021It's having a full set of gucci meta gear and actually doing training. You have to fund it yourself and pursue excellence as a matter of pride and duty.The American militia is an informal brotherhood of knight-errants under the common banner of the nation itself as the ideal.The existing national guard should be merged with the DoD reserves, and the concept resurrected as a reflection of the above vision of the American knightly order. Only land holding natural born citizens may apply.
>>65311021The Society of the Cincinnati is the US's equivalent to knightly orders. It gets around the constitutional ban by being technically independent from the government (but, Society badges are permitted to be worn by active service personnel...). The President can't induct someone, they have to be voted in by the hereditary members (descendants of men who fought alongside George Washington).
>>65311940wut? If you're talking about WWI, then no. That's just stretching terms too far.
>>65313563Would you consider a modern German descendant of a noble house a "knight"? You know, the guys who go to business school and end up working for Accenture or McKinsey?
>>65313563Anyway, you will never be a real knight. You have no arming sword, you have no greathelm, you have no squire. You have taken no ritual bath, kept no vigil in the chapel, and sworn no sacred vows. You are a deluded product of modernity twisted by 19th century medievalism into a crude mockery of chivalry’s perfection.All the “accolades” you get are two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock your WWI biplane and your lack of armor. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “companions” laugh at you behind closed doors.True knights would be utterly repulsed by you. Centuries of chivalric tradition have allowed real warriors to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even pretenders who “pass” with a shining breastplate move with an uncanny, unnatural gait to a trained eye. your peasant bone-structure is a dead giveaway: Wide hips, no riding bow in the legs. And even if you manage to lure a drunken wench into your rented room with tales of your imaginary deeds, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your rusted, ill-kept arming sword.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake, chivalrous smile every morning and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the shame creeping up like bindweed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight of your own pretence.Eventually it’ll be too much to bear; you’ll buy a hempen rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you without ceremony, with a crude wooden marker bearing your birth name -- no spurs, no heraldry -- and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a common churl lies there. This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>65313715I would consider the literal Red Baron a knight because he was a knight, yes, it's very different from my great-grandfather being the younger son of a baron.
>>65313728lol you're completely delusional
>>65313718TL:DR
>>65313735YWNBAK
>>65313565Here's a shocker for you... I'm American, I own guns, and I haven't voted since 2012.Troll harder.
>>65311899>They are not warriors. They are literally herdsmen and shepherds. Far closer to peasants than knights.So were the Mongols.
>>65313911except.... no, because war was endemic to mongol society, literally ALL of them would be veterans and expect to fight in small skirmishes, raids, and outright wars until they were too old to ride. AND they had aristocrats who served as heavy shock cavalry on top of that.
>>65311899>They are not warriors. They are literally herdsmen and shepherdsWhich makes them more noble in American society, which idealizes the citizen-soldier
>>65312339>AstartesCringe nulore word invented and then forced into use for copywrite reasons. I bet you call the Imperial Guard ""Astra Militarypersons"" or whatever gay slop GW tells you to call them this week as well. Haha. Faggot.
>>65313563>That's like claiming knights in the Hundred Years War weren't real knights because the horses of the era were significantly larger than in the time Arthurian legends were supposed to be set. It's a stupid argument and you, personally, should feel stupid for making it.NTA, no it isn't. It's more like saying that WWI pilots weren't knights because biplanes aren't horses and trenches aren't fiefs. And that's being generous - WWI biplanes are closer to a horse than they are to a contemporary fighter jet.
>>65313553>There were non-clerical crossbow bans, like Conrad III's. Which goes hand in hand with the papal ban of the Second Council of the Lateran. And as the emperor of the HRE was to be the worldly counterpart of the Papacy the laws of the latter had to be implemented by the former.
>>65314206>bashes "Astartes"Are you thinking of Astra Militarum or something? That's newer, sure.They've been Adeptus Astartes formally for a long-ass time.Maybe you object to using only the latter half of the name. That must be a red flag for you.sasuga autism
>>65314216That anon is one weird bastard. WWI fighter pilots weren't knights, he just has his own bizarre headcanon
>>65314892I'm aware of at least one German pilot who was knighted during WWI, though he was an artillery observer pilot not a fighter. Generally knighthood was reserved for generals and the like.
>>65315506Being knighted in the 20th century has absolutely nothing to do with medieval knighthood. Sir Rod Stewart Sir Keir Starmer I could go on all day.
>>65315681AHEMWhere do you think the stereotype that knights were stubbornly holding onto CQC centuries after it had faded in relevancy came from?
>>65313715>Would you consider a modern German descendant of a noble house a "knight"?Being a descendant of a noble house never granted you automatic knighthood.
>>65315770Lancers and cuirassiers in the 19th and 20th centuries weren't knights and were very frequently green conscripts from the peasantry.
>>65311066>Yes, US law explicitly rejects the concept of aristocratic titles. It is not legal for the President or anyone else to create them. It is not legal for anyone in public office to hold them.This isn't actually true. The US Constitution forbids the granting of titles of nobility, but NOT titles of chivalry. There is a distinction and it does matter - being a Lord is a different thing from being a Sir. Multiple European republics have orders of knighthood despite no longer having kings.You can't have American dukes and earls, no, but there's no legal reason not to create knights and baronets. Besides, is there anything really more wrong about being a Sir than being a Kentucky Colonel?
>>65315819Mm hmyess...1) rehabilitate Titles of Marque2) Eric Prince's Pirates seizes 10 Shadow Tankers3) rehabilitate Knighthood as reward for Double-Aced Privateers4) create de facto Knightly Pirates5) Michael Bay agrees to sell you his eternal soul for movie rights6) PROFIT!!!
>>65311933Those are simply North Germanic warriors. There was nothing to indicate they were members of the Viking profession.You are American niggerman.
