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• Help, advice, guidance on meds and dosages
• HRT related medical experiences and research
• Availability and pricing of medications
• Rational and scientific discussion

See following post for a pharmacy list.

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if I'm consistently at 130-160 pg/ml e after 7 days on valerate and 40~ pg/ml test will i feminize well
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Can I take my shot 2 days before if increase the amount? So 6mg Een instead of 5mg
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>>36085031
if u mean available T then that's right below the lower range for men (lower is 50pg/mL), and would be classified as hyperandrogenemia for women (range of up to abt 7pg/mL free T is standard range).
maybe up dose slightly or get on bica or spiro, bica would work best, you shouldn't need a high dose either.

if u do mean 40ng/dL for total T then that is around the upper range for women, but at trough it isn't terrible and u will still feminize fine.

>>36085309
sure
use the transfemscience injection simulator for projected differences in levels
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>>36085617
yeah i mean test

i wanna maintain my fertility so that's why i want it higher

I'm at 8.5 months of hrt and i haven't really noticed changes
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>>36085617
>use the transfemscience injection simulator for projected differences in levels
I was trying but I cant get it to do what I was hoping for. I wanted to see my levels after doing 5mg for 5* days, 6mg at 9 days, 5mg at 7 days.
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should i add 0.1ml to my dose cause the needle still holds some??
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I got a prescription for 50mg/day spiro for free. Im afraid its not enough to supress T and I still got a stock of cpa. Can I take both? If so how much cipro?
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>>36086180
more like .01but honestly id recommend going with just what the simulator says than trying to add .01 to a dose. Personally I find that this simulator way overdoses me at 5'4 130lbs
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>>36086324
>more like .01
mb yes
>overdoses me at 5'4 130lbs
interesting, ty!!
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>>36085784
>5mg for 5* days, 6mg at 9 days, 5mg at 7 days
not exactly sure what you mean by that but this sim allows you to put in different doses of different esters on specific days and see your cumulative estradiol level which is probably what you want

https://grayoasis.com/esim/
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Does the shipping for United Pharmacies take the whole 30 days to get to the US? Every day I wait feels agonizing
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how bad are cheap bloodwork labs (for hormones specifically at least)? are there any actual differences in the quality of the results? i know they all use basically the same machines and methods, could it be that they skimp on calibration or they employ shitty personnel or anything that might give bad results? cuz i kinda went with the cheapest lab in my country (though it is still one of the big ones and very popular) and now i'm a little worried because the one that's supposedly the best by word of mouth was only slightly more expensive for hormones and i only figured to check that after getting my blood drawn today. and it was very awkward because tranny in shithole and i don't wanna go back anytime soon and i kinda just plan on keeping this dose and not doing bloodwork for at least the rest of this year if the results seem fine

>>36086897
don't know about that specifically but every time i've ordered hrt here in the eu (both from within the eu and from thailand) my stuff has arrived sooner than the advertised shipping time
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>>36085739
I was differentiating between available and total T as they use different units, some ppl mistakenly put pg/mL when they mean ng/dL as most do total T so thats why I included info for both
if u haven't noticed changes by 8mo then there is issues, yes, at min with good levels youd have some muscle atrophy, skin clearing up/lightening, less bodily hair, breast buds, and libido/emotional changes
imo maintaining fertility while wanting afab tier feminization for someone amab is a fools errand, but having temporary fertility via clomid or something after hrt is more realistic

>>36086276
NEI, u taking it alone or what?
cypro shouldn't go above 12.5mg/day and not longer than a year or else u risk benign brain tumors which will impact QoL

>>36087044
you'd have to research them to be sure, hard to say, some can just be smaller and more competitive but better pricing or they could be cutting corners
you'd only know by investigating (word of mouth or employee statements on glass door or something)
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>>36086839
Exactly what I was looking for, thank you
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>>36084974
Anyone here who does bica as a blocker + E? Can you post T levels?
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I just passed my 9th mo HRT and wanted to start Prog. My endo is very conservative and has said she'll only consider it if I "really twist her arm about it". DIY isnt an option for a few reasons:

>US military, so all meds need to be prescribed by medical personnel
>blood tests/drug tests picking up unprescribed medicine in me would be a huge problem
>ordering DIY is still teeeeeechnically not legal and could fuck with my clearance
>still on the hook for service for at least 3 more years

I know there are no thorough studies done. "Because I just really wanna" hasn't worked for anything else I've wanted but that she is leery on. Not really sure where to start.
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>>36088327
>she'll only consider it if I "really twist her arm about it
In my expirience, shes asking you to give her reasons why you need it. She needs to have something to write into her documentation/intake form, she cant just write "patient wants it". I would make up a reason that prog would solve, like youre feeling fatigued or emotional reasons. Obviously dont say anything that would get your current regimen changed, but if she really said it like that, I think she wants you to come up with a better reason. Ymmv
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>>36084974
Not related to hrt, but does anyone know where I can buy guanfacine or clonidine with fastest delivery to Ukraine?
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>>36085031
FRIENDLY REMINDER: if you have autism you probably have:
>abnormally high testosterone [DOIs: 10.3390/ijms222212324, 10.30773/pi.2021.0094, 10.1016/j.psyneuen.2020.105039, 10.1016/j.yhbeh.2007.02.001]
>fewer estrogen receptors of two different types, less mRNA expression of estrogen receptor co-activators [DOIs: 10.1016/j.psychres.2017.06.008, 10.1186/2040-2392-5-46]
>less aromatase (and therefore diminished ability to convert native testosterone to estradiol) [DOIs: 10.1186/2040-2392-5-46, 10.1371/journal.pone.0017116]
>abnormalities in other hormone concentrations (SHBG, androstenedione, allopregnanolone, DHEA, pregnenolone) [DOIs: 10.30773/pi.2021.0094, 10.1016/j.psyneuen.2011.02.007, 10.1016/j.psyneuen.2020.105039, 10.1186/s12888-023-04586-2]

bonus:
>ADHD also has less of estrogen receptor GPER [DOI: 10.17305/bjbms.2018.2942]
>plastic pollutant BPA is classified as an endocrine-disrupting xenoestrogen, of which autism and ADHD can't filter out easily [DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0289841]

tldr:
If you're autistic (and there's a high chance of it if you post here), congratulations, you probably have a genuine hormone imbalance/dysfunction that the medical community has mostly ignored in favor of pre-established gender pseudoscience.
If your mental state improves on some type of HRT, you're probably treating a hormone imbalance.
If your mental state declines, you're probably upsetting it even more.

Unironically try a regimen of onions intake as phytoestrogens, barring allergies, before you do any of this.
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>>36088981
>filter replaced S., O., Y., with "onions"
is this a psyop targeting autistic people in a medicalization/castration campaign?
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>>36088981
thank you mr scientist i think i will replace my lena juice with onion juice now
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>>36088327
i see no reason why you should start progesterone
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switching from cypro to bica.
do I just swallow the full 50mg full tab?
will both my free T and T on bloods both go up? how do I make sure T is being properly suppressed (or is it a trust the process thing)? this one scares me a bit, especially since I'm switching because cypro stopping me from getting erections rn.
aside from E, T and liver is there anything else I should definitely get tested?
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maybe a science wizard here can answer this

sometimes, usually the day of my injections, i have this weird twitching sensation in the muscles in my groin. it’s sort of like very rapid, slight twitches in the muscles directly behind the genitals. they usually last for several minutes at a time and will occur occasionally for several hours

does anyone else experience this? does anyone know why it happens? i don’t think there’s anything wrong with me, but i’m curious about why it might happen
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>>36087364
i have breast buds, i think it takes longer for my body hair to grow back, and my skin is kinda the same, less dry now, but very soft. I have noticed myself getting weaker, and I have had my significant libido and emotional changes.
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>>36091502
inguinal lymph node swelling possibly. happens with changing hormones. drink water, monitor blood pressure, maybe advil if it hurts
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>>36091571
theres no pain and my bp is really good. i’ve been on hrt for 6 years atp with consistent levels so not like its a change but its been happening for a while

dehydration might be it tho. it does happen after i’ve been drinking so that would make sense
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Got prescribed prog a year and 1 month in my hrt where I take oral estra and spiro. Is this shit actually helpful? Even my doctor was really iffy on describing the positives on it and couldn't really tell me what good it does except potentially bring my libido back.
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is there any correlation between T levels on hrt, and natural T levels?

idk my natural T levels, but I always assumed they were very high, but when i got a blood test 3 months into hrt, the trough levels for T was 5 ng/dl, and E was 309 pg/ml.

they were so surprised that they did a redraw, and the levels were pretty much identical.

HRT regimine was injectable EV, 3mg every 4 days; i never went over it
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>>36084974
bumped from page 7
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>>36084974
bumped from page 9
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>>36084974
is there anyone who tends to ship faster to the us than inhouse?
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>>36084974
Anyone know where you can get topical finasteride? Shipped to Aus.
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Anyone know where you can get ozempic without a prescription in EU?
Not strictly speaking HRT, but taking prescription medication without a prescription is kind of the deal here, yeah?
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anyone know how to make your dick skin less tight? when im soft the foreskin peels back fine but when im hard it barely goes back at all and is borderline impossible to peel it fully back off the head. i want to be able to penetrate but i need to figure out how to loosen the skin or soemthing first so it doesnt hurt so much for me. If i cant get it less tight if theres some other advice anyone has that would be great too
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>>36094644
was your dick always like that?
if no, when did it start happening?
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should i worry if nothing has really happened in 3 months? or am i just schizoing out?
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>>36095462
I’m 18 months in, and imo it’s only the past few months I’ve seen much change.
Boob growth started around three months in, but they were small and pointy and obviously male, smell and skin texture started changing before even that, but it’s only now the boobs have become round with larger nipples, and my face more feminine.

Keep at it, HRT is slow. Fat distribution is the big thing for body and that _starts_ after three years, and ends six years after that.
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I’ve been on a 1mcg/day patch for about a day now, and when I got up this morning I felt fine, but now I feel a bit woozy. I’m not sure if it’s allergies (I took allergy medicine today, so…), but I just feel a little off. I’m worried I’m going to die, or pass out or something. What’s happening to me? Is my estrogen too low? Is my blood pressure too low? Is this just my body acclimating to estrogen? What do I do about this? Do I take the patch off? I’m scared, please help me.
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imagine still repping at 29 because you're scared of a few injections
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>>36096032
I started at 28, and honestly I’m forming the opinion that either repping or suicide would have been more wise.
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Is being on monotherapy with pills awful long term
I'm on 6 mgs total 2 mgs 3 times a day sublingual, my levels are okay (like 60 T ngdl and 200 e pgml) but is my liver going to kill me
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>>36096062
>I’m forming the opinion that either repping or suicide would have been more wise.
what makes you think that
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>>36084974
I got messaged by someone on Leddit about an underground homebrewer called Tyger, the website looks legit with lab test results etc. But there's almost no references to this anywhere else (probably because the site has a big warning not to link it publicly). Anyone used this? Would normally miss but Vanna has been out of stock for weeks and isn't replying to emails.
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>>36096085
Insurmountable testosterone damage.
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>>36096083
do injections alone
it's always healthier
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>>36096267
go with something else, getting messaged is sketchy even for here
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>>36096267
>Tyger
this is the kinda name i would've picked when i was 12
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>it's is still dead
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>>36094990
before estrogen it was normal but after being on it for a couple months it got way tighter, i assume its from not having random boners during the day
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My estradiol is 376 pg/ml
My prolactin is 17.8 ng/ml
My T is 29.4 ng/dl

Are these levels good? I’m a trans girl
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>>36096696
and you'd rather keep going on T?
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>>36094644
>>36097831
are you telling me my phimosis is gonna get worse
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>>36096696
Yet another anon who thinks making things 10x worse will somehow make it better
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is midweek monothearpy
251 pg/mL estrogen
25 ng/dL t
decent

Quit spiro 2 months ago (Still havent recovered my bladder)
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>>36084974
Newb question
32 days into transtition with estrogelgel applied to testes 2x a day.
Is a stinging sensation in the testes a sign that they're atrophying or something ?
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>>36097831
was it sudden or slow?
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Fedex has had my oto order for 3 fucking weeks, what gives?
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>>36099215
i dont really remember desu i remember not thinking it was an issue and then it suddenly was i guess
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>>36092850
>>36094117
Thank you for your hard work anon.
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>>36098176
>>36098272
I think repping and being seen as a man for a few years and then hanging myself would have been better than trooning out and being a hon for a few years before probably hanging myself anyway would have been better, yeah. I might have had a chance to pass if I could have started around 17 or 18, but by 20 I’d already filled out with broad shoulders and thick arms. Inverted triangle body type, nonexistent in real women. I’m not quite It’s Ma’am! levels of hon, but I’m never going to pass as even androgynous, it’s kind of shit.
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>>36099430
“Shipping issues”
Word on kiwifarms is they’re being shut down. I guess Brazilian government finally figured out which name they’re mailing from and told all shipping companies to hold anything sent from that name as evidence.

I’m kind of stumped too. I was going to order bica from a Turkish pharmacy, but they’ve also been shut down, so I checked otoko and they’re being shut down, so I checked my Chinese raws place and they’re no longer selling anything MtF-related. I don’t believe this is just because of that British puberty blocker ban, chinks and jeets never cared about that stuff before.
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>>36101155
idk i feel like if you didn't you'd just be in my position and still thinking about it nonstop
unless it actually has made your life worse being a hon or are you manmoding?
>>36101334
god dammit
is it really the end of easy tranny mode
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once the pharmacuetical industry (doctors, insurance, drugs, pharmacies) realized how much money they were losing out on they had to figure how to restrict and industrialize transitioning
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>>36088604
Russia, funnily enough
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>>36101684
i could believe that but also if hrt is controlled holy fuck controlled substances put you on a leash
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i dont think it would get that bad. they just want you to pay through their insurance, talk to their doctors, buy drugs from their factories, and walk through their drug stores. anything to keep the money inside their systems basically
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>>36102458
>not just replying normally
fuck off lol

>pay through their insurance, talk to their doctors, buy drugs from their factories
which is significantly more complicated than ordering diy
your endo might decide 90 pg/ml e2 is good enough
or might retire and you have to find a new one
or only give you 1 month supply and refuse to let you get more without appointments
also spiro and patches, or EV if you're lucky
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>>36102485
i meant to reply lol. i agree, its not better at all. but thats what motivates the clamp downs
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>>36102539
idk, obviously the worst case is an hrt ban

but estrogen getting scheduled would be pretty bad
idk all i want is to get blood tests, take a normal amount of hrt, and go on with my life but idk
sorry i'm being incoherent idk what i'm saying rn
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>>36084974
I can't access the survey data link
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Realisticallty, if I had a fair amount of fat in masc places, how long would I have to be on HRT for that to move to fem places in its entirety?
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>>36102813
10 years
you have to burn it off
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Hormones are nice and everything you cishet dudes, but you better cut that dick off before you have the nerve to call yourself a lesbian. Also gtfo lesbian dating sites and FUCKING STOP calling us TERFS until you are able to effectively LIE TO US with the downstairs equipment. But most of you are just little tranny str8 perverts who are too attached to your dicks to get rid of them,
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>>36103171
Androphilic hands typed this
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>>36101334
God fucking dammit. My supply is low as shit. I askes fedex what the deal was and they told me my address was incorrect which is BS. And even after asking to pick it up at a hub it hasnt moved. What other places ship vials quickly? Is teahrt good?
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any tips for tubular breasts stuck at tanner 3/4?
>hrt for ~2.5 years
>prog for ~1.5 years

growth plateaued at 1 year and they've just been stunted since then, stuck as the most conical tits ever :(

tried cycling on + off prog, cycling between taking it orally+rectally, neither seemed to help
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>>36084989
>https://alldaychemist.com - Ships from India to some countries.
Asked me to upload a prescription for my finasteride order (seems optional though). Will they ship without? Does it vary by country?
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not hrt relatered but i think i need medical help
im 32, about 8 years on hrt. I was masturbating a week ago after being sick for a while (no sex drive for weeks) and noticed that it started hurting. Now I was looking at it and I think my foreskin shrinked (???) and thats causing it to hurt.
is it even possible for a foreskin to shrink?? this sound ridiculous in my head but I have to ask
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Haven't changed my HRT regimen (monotherapy E + prog) in a few months but noticed light shedding recently, not that much but there used to practically zero and now if I brush my fingers through my hair I end up with one or two strands of hair every time
Do I need to be worried or is this just return to normal after a phase of E-based (re)growth?
If I need to be worried what could have caused this?
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>>36104496
also, my levels were checked six weeks ago and they were perfectly fine (180pg/ml E, .25ng/ml T)
and some of the hairs I lose are like half length at most so I doubt it's just hair dying of old age or whatever
I'm really worried
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Just did a subq injection and the injection site is stinging a lot and some of the e liquid leaked out. Is this normal because I've only done this twice and it didn't happen last time. Am I gonna need to do the injection again?
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just did an EEn injection (0.37ml), and it was a painful, like, when I put the needle in, it only hurt me a little bit, but after I injected it, I felt "pressure" / muscular pain in my ass for a few minutes, and a bit of a hot (not burning, but uncomfortable) sensation in the area, also I didnt bleed at all

is this normal? I dont recall feeling like this before
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anyone know anything about restarting breast growth? Im like 2 years into estrogen and my boobs have barely grown at all, i remember hearing people mention taking 2mg estrogen pills everyday alongside my normal injections to restart breast growth so im just wonddering if anyone here knows anything about it
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>>36084974
how much estradiol enantate for weekly mono injection?
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>>36106163
The idea is the estrone in the pills is more like what real girls have in puberty (start with high estrone, low estrogen, then estrogen rises as they grow up). It’s called the Powers method and there’s no evidence it works, it’s just what one (popular) doctor (not actually an endo, he’s a general practitioner) does.
Stay away from oral E if you have a bad liver (50+ years old, or drugs, or alcohol), otherwise I doubt it’ll do any harm. I just also don’t think it’ll do any good. You get the tits you get, it’s half genetics, half having enough spare fat for them to grow into, and if what you get isn’t enough you’ll need silicone, same as a real woman.
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should i tell my doctor i think one of the drugs she prescribed me fucked me up? it's an informed consent kinda thing so i'm worried they'll just drop me
story: i started taking a small dose of finasteride after 5 or 6 years of only bica+estradiol and i went from functioning adult with literally zero emotional problems at all to a dysfunctional mess within the span of a month. then i completely went back to normal a week after i stopped
it seriously was like living in a nightmare or a bad trip, like, i had to keep reminding myself that whatever i was experiencing was not real and that it would probably subside in a couple of hours. i also got very strange mental states i've never had before (i think it's called "derealization"? i was in my house, but it felt very strongly like it was unfamiliar to me, and also that i was a different person than i normally am. i don't know how to explain it, it felt like being in a dream or after two or three beers but i was completely awake. this happened about two or three days after stopping fina and lasted about an hour. i also had some other less-intense events like this while on it, but this was the strongest and most obvious one)
this all might just be a coincidence and i might just be insane for other reasons, who knows? but holy shit this was the worst experience of my life and i had absolutely no clue that this was even a possible outcome. there was not a single mention "oh btw this can make you go completely insane" in the drug pamphlet they gave me. it was like someone flipped a light switch, both at the onset (started about 3 weeks after i started taking it, took it 5 weeks total) and after i stopped (started to feel better the day after i stopped, then felt normal a week later)
it might be related to the bica, my T levels are very high because of it although it is working perfectly well as an antiandrogen. maybe that affects how DHT levels affect my brain? idk lol
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I know you're supposed to switch to injections from sublingual eventually for boob growth
But can I instead switch to patches for the same benefit?
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>>36108146
uh i dont think it was the finasteride... you type like youre on stimulants. which do cause depersonalization
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>>36109583
i don't use drugs
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>>36104422
The skin loses its flexibility, comes with penile atrophy. I think you could technically fix it by masturbating regularly, if you care about that
>>36104576
Not sure, at the very least it's very unlikely to be dht related if your t is suppressed since dht is converted from t
>>36105251
The stinging could be that you hit a nerve, or just poor injection technique hurting the tissue since you're inexperienced. Try to inject slower if you're doing it very quickly. To prevent leakage you could try the air lock method which is where you draw a unit or two of air in the syringe, which get injected at the end. No it won't kill you since it's not intravenous, and even then you'd need several milliliters of air. (in other words, you can have a little air bubble in your syringe as a treat :3)
>>36105991
Same as above. Idk happens to me too sometimes
>>36106163
There's also the method where you briefly go off estrogen and then ramp up your dose over the course of months to double your current dose. But honestly, I don't even remember where I heard that and I think I've been the only one suggesting that on here. Might be complete honscience.
>>36106937
5mg, which should put you at ~300 pg/ml. Obviously that varies by person, do bloodwork and adjust yada yada
>>36108146
I've never heard of such a reaction but finasteride actually has antineurosteroidal effects ane can fuck with your brain. It could be the culprit
>>36109400
Technically you can achieve the same levels on patches, but they'd be way more expensive than injections. Not sure on the exact dosage as i'm unfamiliar with patches but i've heard of patches monotherapy being done
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>>36102813
It won't move Anon, it's male fat
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>>36103571
bmi?
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>>36103888
It's India, just make a fake one
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Been on injections for over a year and ocd is treatment resistant so I’m spazzing ab needles. Dose is 6mg every 5 days. could I switch to sublingual/buccal and see no masculinization
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>>36108146
now imagine that it starts when you're 10
only gets worse and never ends
i'm a bit less dissociated on E but still
this sucks
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>>36103532
bump, need to know this as well to help my friend.

bonus questions:
is lena still out of business because of the war? who are some alternatives if theres no lena and no otokonoko?
is it true that raws are being shut down?
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>>36110553
>The skin loses its flexibility, comes with penile atrophy. I think you could technically fix it by masturbating regularly, if you care about that
Thank you very much. i usually do but I have been way too stressed these last months and also experimenting with a different dosage that probably also killed my sex drive. I hope that fixes it, I have go into long no-masturbation periods before but this is the first time something like this happens to me
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>>36112472
lena has been back for almost a year now
i have no idea whats up with otokonoko, i didnt know she wasnt doing deliveries
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Which time of day would you say is best to inject
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is there a cliff notes version of all this stuff for guys who just want maximum hair growth/bald prevention
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>>36113285
balls cut, off.
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My estradiol this month came out as 102 pg/ml. Last time I checked 3 months ago, it was 170 pg/ml. Is it because I took pill like 4 hours before the test this time? It feels ridiculously low and didn't think it comes crashing down that fast. Maybe I should have asked for an increase in dosage?
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>>36113353
How hard is it to just get my balls removed? NTA but I don’t want to have to deal with anti androgens
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>>36113285
finasteride
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>>36110553
>in other words, you can have a little air bubble in your syringe as a treat :3
nta but i like u
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>>36114532
why not do mono?
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do estradiol oils need to be refrigerated?
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>>36111647
was at 21 a year ago, now at 25.4
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switching from cypro to bica.
do I just swallow the full 50mg full tab?
will both my free T and T on bloods both go up? how do I make sure T is being properly suppressed (or is it a trust the process thing)? this one scares me a bit, especially since I'm switching because cypro stopping me from getting erections rn.
aside from E, T and liver is there anything else I should definitely get tested?
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i'm still getting fucked around by inhouse. i have about 20 days left of 50 mg bica left, would it be bad for my levels if i start taking it every other day instead to buy some time?
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>>36113285
HRT isn’t bald prevention, it’s feminising with bald prevention as a side effect. You’ll get weak, fat distribution will change, lose your libido and probably the use of your dick, and grow boobs.
If you’re a cis man, there are better methods to look into. Finasteride is pretty easy to get a prescription for, and so effective that a lot of trannies still take it even though they’re on estrogen.
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>>36118344
T increasing means that bica is working
i'd say bica is more efficient than cypro
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I just got my first lab results at 4 months hrt and they seem slightly worrying. I'm on 5.2mg EEn/14 days and 6.25mg cypro/day. This should put my levels at 210pg/ml peak and 100pg/ml trough (see picrel).

My estradiol is 51.68 pg/mL and my testosterone is 0.24 ng/mL. T seems to be suppressed but my E is exactly half what it should be (yes I took my tests at trough obviously). I know it varies from person to person, but THAT much? Is that normal variance in levels? This was done using chemiluminescence, and if anything I've found studies saying immunoassay based methods like chemiluminescence can actually give falsely high readings.

I'm gonna translate the reference adult values they gave in case the variance really matters from lab to lab.
Estradiol:
>Men: <15 - 31.5
>Women:
>Early follicular phase: 22.4 - 115
>Middle follicular phase: 25.0 - 115
>Ovulatory phase: 32.1 - 517
>Middle luteal phase: 36.5 - 246
>Post menopause (no hormone treatment): <15 - 25.1
Testosterone:
>Women: <0.1 - 0.75
>Men:
>18 - 30 years old: 2.59 - 8.16

I do seem to technically fit in the range they give for cis women, though on the lower end. Should I just double my dose and take another blood test at a lab that does mass spectrometry instead in a couple months?
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>>36119487
thats what I'm worried about, how to I tell if the bica is working and not just my T increasing from not being blocked? like with cypro I can tell it works because I get 0.8nmol on my bloods. and goal was to always keep t under 1nmol
but if Im taking bica how can I tell if T isnt being absorbed especially since my levels will go up? do I just trust it's working? will my T levels show as if I weren't taking an AA, ie cismale levels? I'm really scared of remasculinising and the blood test levels do a lot to ease that because it's right there on the sheet in numbers.
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>>36119721
You can’t.
But I’ve been on bica for two years and can confirm it does work just fine.
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>>36119662
>5.2mg EEn/14 days
Doesn't this just peak too much to maintain good levels? You should do 2.7 mg every week. Or just ditch the AAs and do mono.
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>>36121206
I was aiming for 100-200 pg/ml, which i don't think is crazy peaking. Cis women naturally have higher peaks and lower lows during the menstrual cycle. I just want to roughly emulate cis levels for the first year or two
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>>36121292
Im not sure those numbers mean anything in ur context. women aren't producing as much testosterone so they dont need as high of levels as you to counteract the androgens. if you dont want to mono, i would just increase the dose a small amount for the month and test again and keep doing that until i like the results
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>>36121335
Why would I need higher estradiol levels than cis women as long as my testosterone is suppressed? That's why I'm also taking the cypro. Maybe i'll just increase my dose to 8mg for now, so like 50% higher
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I bled out a bit after my injection. Is the dosage lost?
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>>36121463
sorry i dont think im explaining. I dont mean peaking like you shouldnt be hitting 200pg/ml, I mean like 2 weeks inbetween doses is a lot even for Een. You are in the trough only after like 5 days after the dose, so the next 9 days youre gonna be under 100pg/ml. So you should increase your frequency first Imo before such a high jump in dosage.
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>>36121557
I mean, the curve on the calculator shows i should technically only be at 100pg/ml after 2 weeks
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>>36121756
Its not perfect! Everyone's body's are different and process the medicine differently! You could easily be messing up your shots! Don't be so obsessed with numbers! Clearly it wasn't accurate for you in the first place!
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>>36084974
I originally started what would generously be called HRT from June to October last year through Planned Parenthood. Unfortunately I didn’t do my resource and the doses were so shit they didn’t do anything, and I stopped because the doctor kept fucking up my refills & the staff turned me away from having an appointment for me to talk about why I wasn’t happy with getting “upgraded” from 1mg e to 2

Now I’ve been on DIY for two months, cypro daily 5-7 mg e injected weekly and also daily prog until I ran out. In only that amount of time I’ve gotten I think tanner 3 boobs that measure to a 38B cup.

Idk what the point of this post is I just wanna share. That’s pretty fast progress right? Breast growth isn’t even meant to be a thing until 3 months, albeit my chest still seems pretty small/not rounded out, hopefully they’ll get fuller right? Do you reckon my results are attributable to the prog or did the four month hondose have something to do with it or do you think it could be I’m just some low T xxy who was predisposed for female puberty
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>>36121797
>Everyone's body's are different and process the medicine differently
That's what I'm saying, obviously i need to dial in the dose, but the curve should remain the same. My levels are probably 100 pg/ml at peak, the ester will break down at the same rate. I was just wondering about the discrepancy between the calculator and the actual levels and why my body seems to suck at absorbing the estradiol. It's not as simple as "trough is in x days". Trough is technically just the time right before your next dose of a medication, which could be 6 hours or 6 weeks or anything in between. EEn has a high enough half life that you could easily still have estradiol levels over 100pg/ml after 2 weeks. With a proper dose, which I don't currently have.
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>>36122036
anon. 14 days in-between doses is just too long even for Een. See how it takes 5 days for a normal 7 week dose to reach stability? Your not going to feminize much if youre levels are swinging this much, you need it to be more stable. Just increase your frequency
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>>36122138
*5 doses, not days
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>>36122138
>>36122147
How is that even relevant? It takes about a month for both to reach stability in both cases, not a certain amount of doses. People on EV and sublingual see huge spikes even more frequently. All that matters are the minimum levels at trough, technically I could do 8mg/14days and it would have the same lows as 2.6mg/7 days. How would the higher peaks alone lead to any worse feminization? And anecdotally, I'm feminizing pretty well for just 4 months
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>>36122279
Not to mention that cis women's estradiol levels range from the low tens into the hundreds of pg/ml during the various phases of the menstrual cycle. I don't think any of us feminize better than them for having more stable levels.
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>>36122336
>Not to mention that cis women's
Okay but you aren't cis? so stop worrying about their levels? You have a ballsack to fight off, its actively producing testosterone. Just because you have cis levels of estrogen in your blood, doesnt mean shit if its actually doing anything. And AAs are notoriously hit or miss. So many different functions happening and youre not helping it by peaking like that
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>>36122719
Yeah but if my t is suppressed at trough I don't see the issue? Especially since i'm gonna increase my dose, so that's gonna be even less of a problem
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Was on HRT for 3 years from 20 to 23, midway I was taking 5mg sublingually and towards the end I was on 7mg but I never really got physical changes besides the smallest "breast growth" that really just looks like puffy nipples if anything
It's been a little over 2 years since I stopped, if I started again but went on patches monotherapy instead would I actually get results this time? not doing spiro again because brainfog and bladder and I HATE needles, don't have free time to go to the doctor so planned on DIY ordering patches
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>>36123724
>Was on HRT for 3 years from 20 to 23, midway I was taking 5mg sublingually and towards the end I was on 7mg but I never really got physical changes besides the smallest "breast growth" that really just looks like puffy nipples if anything
ME
T_T
1 year on injections with midweek over 200
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Are my levels okay enough to try boron?

I'm concerned my T is still high but I don't think it gets much lower than the picture
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what is a "normal" testosterone level (ng/DL) for someone on bica?
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I'm on a .1 mcg/day patch semiweekly. I'm on day 3 right now, and will be changing my patch at 10 PM since I put this one on at 10 AM last Friday. I felt very good Friday and Saturday, a little sluggish Sunday, and today my mood has dropped significantly compared to before. I feel like I did before I put the patch on, basically. My sex drive has also increased again, stuff like that. I feel super tired right now.
So, I assume my estrogen has dropped? Is this going to happen every time I get closer to the 3.5 day mark? What do I do about that? I'm kinda scared that this is going to cause health problems. Dropping hormone levels like this can't be good for you, right? I mean, I'm not on an anti androgen, so I suppose my T is just rising again.
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>>36125720
>.1 mcg/day patch
Meant 100 mcg/day
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Last time I had a blood test I had 15 ng/dl and like around 100 pg/ml E

I was on 5mg EEn weekly and 12.5mg cypro every two days

now, that was like 16 months ago, and since then I have bumped my EEn dose up by 1mg, am I still alright? I'm scared, also, can I use a vial of EEn I got in november 2022? will it still be alright?
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>>36125647
Testosterone level (ng/DL) doesn't change on bica. It might spike when you first start using it though. It works by blocking receptors by flooding your system so you can't use those hormones.
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Hey everyone, I am currently taking 2 pumps of estrogel scrotally (0.6g gel, 0.75mg per pump) so roughly 1.5mg of E a day. Took a blood test recently and my E levels were at 139pg/ml, T was 10ng/dl (I also take cypro). My question is, I was told E levels when gel is applied scrotally peaks and diminishes rather quickly, I took the test about 5 hours after application so I definitely didn't catch my low. Should I increase my dosage to 3 pumps just to be safe?
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>>36084974
would it be a good idea to boof estrogen pills?
i keep swallowing too much when i try sob/buccal
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Ok but am i sleepy all the time because of the EEn, or is it some kind of allergic reaction to the MCT oil, or am I just lazy?
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>>36084974
estradiol undecylate seems kinda scary, I saw some studies which had a 10% mortality rate
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>>36126848
ime it's easier to avoid swallowing if i keep the pill in my upper gums but it takes longer to dissolve as well
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>>36126897
maybe not enough overall hormones?
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>>36101334
>I checked my Chinese raws place and they’re no longer selling anything MtF-related
hubei vanz are still emailing me like every 2 weeks giving me prices for e and prog and stuff, you could try them?
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>>36103171
>too attached to your dicks to get rid of them
actually I hate it I just can't afford surgery
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>back in 2021-2023
>taking diy otokonoko injection
>think syringe deadspace isn't accounted for
>withdraw a little more than recommended amount and inject
>supposedly that dead space is accounted for
>potentially overdosed myself for 2 years
am I fucked in any way, health wise if I were for any reason supposed to quit?
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>>36127419
Maybe. I just wondered if it was normal to be sleepy in the first few months, nobody ever mentions it
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>>36084989
The link to ShapeShifter (sshifter.puzl.com) is dead and should be updated to their new site at https://shape-shifter.webnode.page/. I found the updated storefront link from a month-old post on the transdiy subleddit after searching around for details. The contact details on the new website appear to be the same, skeptics could probably cross-check with the Wayback Machine.
I vouch for them, been getting antiandrogens through them for some time but haven't ordered in a while.
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>>36127680
i guess that's normal
my sleep schedule was weird when i started
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>>36127924
That's good enough for me. I'm switching to grapeseed oil anyway so I'll find out soon enough
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I'm 1 month into 5mg estradot and the half cm under my nipples is sore and sensitive, is this the start of boob development? All the timelines I've seen have said at least 3-6 months
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>>36098181
i dont think so, afaik phimosis is only because you were born like that. I dont know whats my case, i literally have spent 2 years without masturbating with no problems, but now I spent 2 weeks and everything got hurtful, maybe its jsut a scratch or inflamation
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>>36084974
bumb
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>>36128714
oo
happy for you nona
i have to stay with mct
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>>36131175
Do you not want to stay with MCT? I have bad reactions to it and my supplier just started making grapeseed oil, so I'm lucky to have that option
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>>36131432
i just started injecting deeper than usual and all itching with other stuff is gone
i have no issues now
grapeseed sounds better desu
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>>36084974
when will e patches be readily available again online?
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>>36084974
(to preface this i'm not on premarin lol)
do premarin doses achieve the same blood levels as the same amount in bioidentical estrogen? eg. 2mg premarin and 2mg estradiol pills.
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>>36131455
Oh wow I didn't know that was a thing. So, just, deeper then? The skin irritation is killing me, might try IM next time, I already push the needle as far as it will go. I agree, would be better to get a product with no reactions in the first place
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anyone in the states have good experience buying with Bitcoin? from where?
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>>36131736
i just do subq in the butt at 90dg while pinching the skin slightly
it doesn't itch or anything anymore and probably works better, at least for me
i noticed better changes when injecting in butt
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>>36131743
Are you the 17bmi twinklet who recommended this to me last week? I couldn't find a good spot on my butt but I think I should look harder if it went that well for you. I'm glad you don't have issues anymore
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>>36096267
Tyger is legit. Like Zelda, he requests not to be listed on HRT Cafe for security reasons. I've been giving people his contact info while Vanna has been out of action, and so far they all got it and have been using it without any complaints.
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After my disastrous results of 321 ng/dl for my T levels on 200mg of spironolactone, I convinced my doctor to put me on cypro. However she said I need 150mg. Is she triying to kill me?
Are the 12.5 mg recommended on the infographic really gonna work?
I'm currently on 4mg of oral estradiol
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>>36131807
>Are you
probably
>17bmi
16 something now
>twinklet
absolutely
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>>36132852
>oral estradiol
not sublingual?
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How strong of an AA is finasteride?

I started with finasteride 2 years ago and HRT 4 months ago. I've fucked up my schedule and remasculinized and can't get my levels back. I also stopped finasteride around that time. Is it from that or because I was underdosing my shots?
Can I just stop finasteride if I'm on hrt now?
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>>36133189
it just blocks DHT
duta is stronger
it won't make T dissappear
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>>36132943
Based
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>>36113226
bumping my q
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Is there a point on taking cypro or bica (or any AA for that matter) if I’m already doing monotherapy+prog 200?
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>>36113226
>>36133888
No clue lol. Probably early in the day so you dont wake yourself up from increasing hormones/better circulation since you dont go to sleep right after. But I dont actually know
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>>36134083
>monotherapy+prog 200
How long have you been doing mono+prog? You shouldnt need to start any AAs if youre years in.
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>>36134114
I just recently got off spiro 50 a couple months ago but I’m 5 years hrt (around 3 years injections)
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>>36134083
they both suppress your T
you don't need an AA
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>>36133188
No. Is sublingual really better? I've heard it turbo-spikes e2 levels but only for very short periods of time
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>>36135169
>No. Is sublingual really better?
others can confirm but my understanding is that it lowers the risk of blood clots since you get more E2 than E1
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>>36134104
alrighty, thank u
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if i bought bica from otokonoko a year ago will it still be safe to take
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i bought electrolysis needles (0.055 mm, the smallest available on the site where i was buying) and tried inserting one. it's possible with hair on limbs, but i can keep trying for minutes to insert it in facial hair and there's 0 success. maybe i will be able to do it with a magnifying mirror when i buy it and a holder for the needle, not just holding it bare, but i'm pessimistic, these hairs are thin as fuck and face is an inconvenient site to try to aim with a needle on your own. anyway, if not facial hair, then at least i will get rid of body hair for practically free.
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>>36137361
What the in the fuck is this lol. Are you using a bench power supply to do this? Is the 9v battery being used as a resistor? Overall, thats dope as fuck hope it works for you, stay safe tho lol.
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>>36137361
>i'm pessimistic, these hairs are thin as fuck
Facial hair? They shouldnt be that thin, and they should be dark enough to know where to put the needle? You shouldnt electrolysis peach fuzz, just do the big obvious hairs and leave the smaller ones for laser
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>>36137600
they are black and have the diameter of the needle tip as it seems
the permanence of laser is uncertain and i had a strong moustache shadow even when i wasn't growing hair after the last session so i'm afraid of wasting time as the hair follicles just recycle and the fucking shadow never disappears. seeing the old photos before laser was a horror so there is some progress, but i'm afraid.
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Is it normal for HRT to make you really tired at first? I'm on 100 mcg/day patches per 3.5 days and I get feeling very tired very quickly during the day. By the afternoon, I have a hard time really focusing because I'm that exhausted. I don't really do much during the day to make me this tired, either. I'm just suuuuuper sleepy, I guess. It freaks me out because I'm scared it's going to get so bad I can't function or just pass out or something. I think my dose needs to be upped. I don't know what's happening to my body. This is only my 4th day on HRT. The first few days, I felt very happy and energetic and I just assumed the tiredness was me overdoing it since the weekend was very busy, but now it's worrying me and affecting my mood.
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is there any way to get breast growth without losing functionality of my cock? I was on 4mg estradiol 50mg spiro and I don't think my t was suppressed enough because i got raging boners pretty frequently, even without masturbating. I got a bit of breast growth but 6 months of being off both (and a terrible stress eating habit) gave me a beer gut so you can't tell there's breast tissue without feeling them. I'm thinking of getting a tummy tuck and just going on E only because i like the volume in my lower body idk
im probably ranting too much so thanks for reading this
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>>36138247
if you’re only 4 days hrt and you’re already doing patches, I think you might be overdosing yourself and should probably a. seek a medical professional or b. Start with pills instead
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>>36138601
The doctor at Planned Parenthood started me out on this. I told her I wanted to try monotherapy with patches and she said she'd start me out on this dose to see how it does. I've been trying to get ahold of her, but she won't answer any of my messages.
Also, there's no way I'm overdosing myself with just 100 mcg/day. If anything, I'm being underdosed. Still, I just wanna know if this is normal. I've heard a lot of people talk about being tired at first, but usually that's within the context of an anti-androgen. I'm also scared something bad might happen to me, although I have a feeling that's unlikely.
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>>36138601
>if you’re only 4 days hrt and you’re already doing patches, I think you might be overdosing yourself
is there something bad about patches?
is this true for injections as well?
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>>36139194
Patches are actually the safest route, even safer with monotherapy. Well, that last point is debatable, coming down to whether you think a blood clotting risk similar to that of a woman on birth control is worse than the side effects of anti-androgens. I don't really get what they mean. I suppose they're of the believe that one should start with pills and an AA before switching to monotherapy, but I don't know why that would be a big deal.
Really, I'm just wanting to know if being tired is normal. It seems my energy comes and goes a lot, because about an hour ago, I got a big burst of energy. Strange.
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Recently got on injections. My dose was swapped 0.15 ml of valerate with a 20mg concentration. Having a hard time finding stuff online talking about dosages, am I getting hondosed?
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I'm starting diy sometime soon, question for the other DIYsisters.
What do u do if ur source vanishes from existance?
I was thinking of buying from oelabs but checked their site today and its gone.
Do you just always have multiple sources ready incase?
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>>36141102
You should blood test to know how your dose feels. picrel for reference of some friends. (The top person has seen no progress and is being dumb). Genetics largely dictate how it's going to work. My friend on "2mg estradiol sublingual 3x/day, 50mg spiro 1x/day" got B cups in a year.

>>36133189
Fin blocks 70% of DHT. Finn has a half life of like a day. If you miss a dose rip
Duta is 95%+ of DHT. Duta has a half life of like 4-5 weeks. If you miss a dose oh well get the next one
Finn/Duta are not proper AAs and don't suppress T, they increase T in fact (by preventing it from being converted into DHT).
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>>36139818
patches are not safest
injection don't have to be high dosed
blood clot risk on high dose injections isn't nearly as high as with contraception
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i'm on estrogel and put it on in the evening and the next day when i have a shower i can still feel it on my leg. is this normal?
>inb4 put it on your balls
still happens and also i'm not too sure about how consistent the levels would be throughout the day like that, and i get it cheap enough that just using more isn't an issue
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>>36138247
I'm at 2 months and I always completely crash after about 4 hours being awake. Not a lot of people mention this so it's probably not really all that common, and it could just be due to other factors, but yes you're not the only one Anon
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Is 29 gauge ok for IM injections?
I'm too pussy to do subq, but cant find any thicker needles then 29 gauge (when ordering more then 1x syringe) where I live
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>>36139818
>coming down to whether you think a blood clotting risk similar to that of a woman on birth control
isn't the clotting risk of patches significantly lower than oral birth control
i thought patches have the same risk as injections
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how much cypro should i take for AA monotherapy?
i took too long to order another E vial so im taking cypro that i had leftove from before i started E mono, i did my last injection just now and ive been taking 25mg cypro daily for past 5 days (since iirc i need time to build levels right?)
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>>36143316
Google says that apparently 29G insulin needles are fine for IM, try it and report back Anon. SubQ is so easy and painless tho
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>>36143631
I have a big fear of needles and pushing it straight in is easier for me to deal with then getting it at an angle under the skin
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>>36143667
I like the needles because they're turning me into a lady haha. The 45 degrees with the point at the bottom is a meme tho, you just pinch a big piece of fat and stick the needle straight in at 90 degrees. The needle isn't long enough to hit muscle and you basically feel nothing. But yeah apparently 29G should be ok for IM too, so you'll be good with whichever works best for you.
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>>36143237
Thanks, I figured as much. I got a message from my doctor telling me this is pretty normal, too, and that my body was just reacting to the raising and lowering of my various hormones.
>>36141915
https://transfemscience.org/articles/estrogens-blood-clots/
Routes that aren't taken by the mouth (I forgot the word for that, starts with a P?) do not go through first pass metabolism and therefore your liver isn't being bombarded with estrogens to make coagulating proteins(?) with.
>>36143389
Patches do have the same risk as injections, as far as I know. My wording of that was super misleading, sorry. However, according to the link above, high doses of estrogen are similar to that of a modern contraception. I was speaking in terms of monotherapy, because I'm doing monotherapy and that's what the post was about mostly. With physiological estrogen levels, you have no more of a risk of blood clots or their complications than a female. Interestingly, MtFs have about the same rate of heart attacks as males. Truly YWNBAW
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does anyone have experience with trueuclinic? can they prescribe bica?
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>>36144437
>you have no more of a risk of blood clots or their complications than a female.
i think i'm fine, my mom was monitored for it while she was on post menopausal hrt

>Interestingly, MtFs have about the same rate of heart attacks as males.
yeah i read that study too, as long as it doesn't increase the risk

>With physiological estrogen levels, you have no more of a risk of blood clots or their complications than a female.
what's interesting is that most mtfs are looking for 200-300 pg/ml levels
i don't know if this is just a dogmatic number, but 200-300 seems to be the "non-hondose" number for whatever reason

still, i'm a massive pussy and i might go to a GP and ask about my clotting risk before i get on HRT
i'm just embarassed as fuck to say that
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>>36085784
am I retarded?
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>>36145317
Don't feel bad about that, your doctor is there to help you, it's what you (or your insurance) pays them for. They're there to serve you. I constantly constantly kept asking my doctor stupid questions. She also very helpfully told me that the risk is very much an "on paper" thing. When you go there and they give you the info for informed consent, it looks very scary, but that's because they only put the most surface level information.
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>>36145333
I've been double dosing for 5 years by accident... what the fuck do I do
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when to get gyno surgery to remove the glands?
t hrtwink, don't want to grow tits
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>>36103532
>Is teahrt good?
bump on this ^
Seems to be the only place that doesn't ship from india / thailand I can find atm, have read good reviews but haven't heard any anecdotes on here about teahrt.
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>>36145367
it's more like i want to go to a GP and say something like
"hey my leg and left side of my body have been hurting for months am i gonna die of a blood clot"

it's super embarassing. i could use adhd meds as my excuse or i could just straight up say "hey i wanna go on estrogen"
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Should I lose fat before starting hrt..????
Currently 87kg :///

Yea I know I'm a fat fuck so no need to remind me :(
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>>36145798
you should start hrt now and work out the rest later.

Ideally you'd start skinny and then put on feminine fat. But just start hrt it helps you lose weight, better mental health in order to lose more weight, and just start it okay.
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>>36145660
>>36103532
Yeah they are good. Independent chemists so all their ethers are made in-house. I think one of the chemists did a AMA a couple weeks back. Fast shipping - took like 4 days for my e to arrive.
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>>36146602
tyvm for the response anon probably will be ordering from them soon then, starting HRT for first time.
Planning on doing monotherapy with EEn, 6mg every 10 days.
Ordered needles, alcohol whipes & small bandaids today
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so wait, is it expected for me, after all the hormones, when i develop boobs and everything else, to just go to Turkey, a muslim and transphobic coutry, for my hair transplants?
how does this even works?
was i actually right to rep before i can figure out my balding (not just balding, but actually bald at this point) problem or what?
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>>36145798
doesn't matter just focus on getting on HRT. if losing weight makes you happier then absolutely do it at the same time for your mental.

when you lose weight, you don't have fewer fat cells, they just deflate. if you gain the weight back it'll go back to the male distribution. 10% of your fat cells die and are renewed every year. while on HRT they're encouraged to be created in a more fem shape, but that doesn't mean all 10% end up there. what matters is spending as much time as you can on HRT.

stuff like weight cycling doesn't really work for moving fat, but you can do it to get rid of muscle you might consider masc which helps with your shape.

>>36147753
there are some good places in the USA like the Gabel Center in Portland iirc. people also get a lot of regrowth (hair they thought was dead was in fact not, YMMV) on HRT.
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how long does it take for boofed progesterone to absorb into the bloodstream?
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>>36148596
>there are some good places in the USA
not for someone outside of USA, lol, it's probably one of the worst in fact
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4 years hrt
on enanthate once a week about 4mg cyperatone to block t
tits are maybe a B cup and thats generous.
is there anything I can do besides surgery for more tit or is this it.
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>>36149437
prog? also domperidone
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>>36145903
>>36148596
Thank you both:)

I'm planning to do e monot. and I have some hair loss so should I also use fina?
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>>36149699
Mb im on prog too 200mg daily
Where to get domp is it just online? And that stuff actually helps?
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>>36149437
isn't 4mg/7days of EEn good enough for monotherapy? How come the choice of also taking anti-androgens? Just curious
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>>36143487
anyone?
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>>36149852
helps you lactate, I mean it might help it just increases prog, which u can also increase by just increasing prog so
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>>36149807
Try fin as soon as able. It's fairly accessible, cheap, and if you have a negative reaction the half life is only about a day so you'll get over it quickly. It blocks ~70% of DHT in your system at a theraputic dosage. DHT is a more potent T.

If you tolerate it well, consider dutasteride. It's less accessible, still kinda cheap, and has a longer hald life of 4+ weeks. If you miss a dose it doesn't really matter that much. It blocks 95%+ of DHT.

I can get more in detail but all of this is readily available info online.

>>36149437
B cup really isn't that bad. Are you making sure to eat enough / have a healthy weight?

>>36149869
Some people can't suppress T with mono therapy alone since your kidney's (adrenal gland) also makes T and that's unaffected by the HPA axis (not related to LH production). Usually they just make a cis female amount though, but even some AFAB take spiro for various reasons.

idk why they're taking it though, maybe just in case because blood tests are expensive
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>>36150597
any point in trying to stop DHT if my T is like 25
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>>36150826
Most likely fine? You should blood test to find out. DHT level should be 10% of T, but in some people it might be higher because of the backdoor DHT pathway via progestrone.

Finn gets SRD5A2, Duta get 1&2
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>>36149869
I don’t know I just do it cause idk how to do monotherapy. They’re pretty spaced out tho I take 12.5mg every 2nd day cause I want my T a little up so my penits works lol is it bad to keep taking AA’s? Like I still have my nuts so Im still making T. I figured I should just keep taking it but if mono is better lmk
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>>36125969
bumpin mah question
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If i had a coconut oil allergy it would show at the site of injection, right? I ask because i have frequent hives and inflamatory bumps on my face, but no where else. I have no idea of the cause
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Can I mix oral and sublingual? My prescription is 2mg, three times a day, and I can't take them exactly 8 hours apart. Can I use oral for the longer periods?
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So just need to say this, but I haven’t had medical care, as ive had to cross country to seek asylum from a trafficker who was after me. So ive been diy for month’s, i was monodosing quite large amounts of enanthate (about 8.5 mg every 7 days) and i have had hives, perioral dermititis, swollen lymph nodes. While Using otokonoko enanthate. Obviously for a monodose i was injecting relatively high, I believe either i have an intersex condition, or maybe just this happens at very high E levels i dont know, just if u diy, monodose safely. its not worth the risk. My life is currently hell. I get medical care in a month, american healthcare is a joke, ive toughed out these symptoms for 6 months and finally have insurance. I just idk why this is happening. Be safe, maybe im just a genetic freak idk, im very close to suicide more often then not.
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>>36152159
I had pharma E before. Btw switched to diy six months ago. im 6 years transition this has never happened before
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>>36150857
>backdoor DHT pathway via progestrone.
Thats not a concern for oral yea?
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>>36152159
Im going down to 6mg weekly hoping it stops seemed to lessen to occasional minor hives around that dose. No dermitis or lymph swelling. The facility im going to is diy friendly, my gf was diy and they helped her. If anyone has any idea why this is happening tho any info is a comfort i have 30 days to get through before the endo, and frankly im fucking scared.
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>>36152269
>>36152165
>>36152159
>>36151676
All of these are the same general concept, all are my posts sorry for congesting the thread you all provide a great service. Im just panicky
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>>36151075
AFAIK mono is more safe & less bullshit along the way but I may very well be wrong, I haven't started HRT yet (gonna start end this month-ish)
>>36152159
Isn't 8.5mg EEn every 7 days like WAY too much? I plan on doing 4mg EEn every 7 days for mono
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I'm >>36121529

I noticed that my nipples have shrank and have gotten softer. Is this enough to prove that I missed my dosage or am I being paranoid?
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>>36097831
i loosely remember adapalne being mentioned for foreskin stretching. retinoids prevent fibrous tissue from forming
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>>36141700
have a reserve of raws, can always by hand sanitizer to make gel or vials+tools to make vials if u have to
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>>36155361
I'm pretty knowledgeable in chemistry, are there any reliable resources online on how to compound / synthesize Estrdiol vials?
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>>36137361
I did diy electro too after doing lots of laser but with the one touch device (setting 3, otherwise too high) and a custom foot pedal, works really well
the clear hairs that are peach fuzz can be left alone, just do the terminal hairs (doesn't matter the color, they're easier as thicker)

>>36138215
ya those last hairs grow in long cycles ime, esp since they didn't get eliminated by laser (I did like 9 alexandrite sessions and like 20 sessions with my tria, then diy electro), but as u eliminate them the shadow gets lighter but only electro worked for those for me
also use niacamide and nadinola to lighten discoloration over time, and temporarily use orange concealer/powder (face lotion first) and then skin colored bb cream to conceal it

>>36138295
cialis is the best bet, and I hear for some bica helps them to retain modest function but not full functionality which cialias should help u achieve

>>36155401
ya, there's various guides on reddit or on archives which u can find via Google searching
for sourcing use made-in-china, either email them or use whatsapp with a quote request w/CAS and multiple different sizes for the same product
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>>36155401
>>36155459
also Lena's mtf hrt group has vetted various suppliers so use them for picking out who to message
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is it still safe to inject if my vial got one really tiny rubber piece in it? i cant miss a dose the dysphoria is killing me
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>>36155690
use a filter needle for drawing (leur lock 21g, 18g cores too much), then switch needle to 29-20g for injecting
order a new vial now but use the above to be safe as u can for now
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>>36155734
29-30g for injecting*
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>>36152121
Bump
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>>36157687
>>36152121
sure, oral is more stable so is a good bet when supplemented with spread out sub doses
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>>36155690
did you actually core the seal to where the contents are open to the outside? If so, it's definitely not safe to inject it anymore.

If not, you could maybe use a filter needle like the other anon said.
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>>36154699
I think so. Same thing happened to me, I messed up my shots 2 weeks in a row because a small bit leaked out. Eventually I "remasculinized", sweaty, smelly, acne, erections, deflated breast tissue. I didn't redose though cause it seemed dangerous, I just upped my normal dose the week later
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Why do so many trannies try to do subcutaneous injection even though it's shit? I stg every time someone talks about some of their shot leaking out it's either they used an insulin needle like a retard or they were trying to do subcutaneous.

If you use a nice 1 inch, 25g needle straight down to the base into the outside half of the middle third of your thigh, you'll never have this problem.
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>>36158245
doing subq was hard enough, i cant imagine not painfully fucking up IM every time. Now i just pinch my skin, 45 angle, and let let go of the pinch and press the needle in more, its been working good
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>>36158245
How about 29g insulin needle for IM in arm?
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What's a good supplier to/in the US for prog 200mg?

apparently I'm never getting my dragon ordnance package.
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>>36158276
I have done IM every single shot
I have never felt any pain
I have never had any blood come out

Part of this is the fact that I use a very bright lamp to identify the veins under the surface of my skin, and use a pen to circle a perfect injection spot with no veins.

But the other half is just the fact that if you keep your leg completely relaxed, and push the needle in straight down firmly but gently at a right angle to the surface , it won't hurt or cause any discomfort at all.

>>36158278
Like the deltoid muscle?
The kind of needle that you need to use for IM doesn't depend upon where you inject. You would still need to use a 1 - 1.5 inch, 22-25g needle for the deltoid. You are probably screwing yourself by using an insulin needle desu
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>>36158374
I'm gonna suicidemaxx I just ordered the wrong needles cause I coudn't find any 25g 1ml 1inch ones online, might go to pharmacy and figure it out there.
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>>36158180
try pushing the plunger slowly, leaving the needle in for 10-15 seconds after finishing, and slowly pull out the needle
u should get no leakage that way, if not and it's consistent then upping dose a bit to account for it works
I use vials with lower concentration than most too so it matters way less if a little drop leaks

>>36158129
cap is usually self-sealing so hard to get a hole unless u repierce the same spot with 18g... which, to be fair, I've heard of ppl doing lmao

>>36158245
muscle soreness can be a major issue, despite proper technique, and u can account for any leakage or minimize via proper technique w/subq
IM is better for those who get irritation from subq tho, but otherwise same efficacy
I've never had an issue but I get my experience isn't the same as everyone else's

>>36158374
do what works for u desu, and ya avoiding veins applies to either, harder for ppl of darker complexion tho
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>>36158513
just email them and cancel the order b4 it ships, medical suppliers are p good abt that
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>>36158354
use hrtcafe, I always used ihp bcs u don't have to use crypto
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>>36158533
Just did desu, I am too scared to go to pharmacy because my entire family goes there and the workers know me. But I guess they cant really do anything like tell them or ask them anything so it should be fine
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>>36158581
After 5 months of HRT I finally was forced to do blood tests to get my legal refill and my question is mostly about T. Is it too low? Am I over doseing myself with just 4mgEV/5days?
And is a bit higher cholesterol than normal a good indicator to test my DHT even if I think I'm loosing less hair than before HRT? Losing hair thing may be misjudged by me having long hair and spending most of my time in once place before HRT and now they may do some other fuckery or do it somewhere else instead.
(forgot pic I'll delete previous message in a sec)
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>>36158578
ya, you'll be good

>>36158590
eat more fiber to reduce cholesterol, in general its a precursor to many hormones, if there's no issues indicating "low-T in women" issues then those T lvls should b fine but depends on how u feel
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>>36158657
eat more soluble fiber*
small correction
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>>36084974
You deserve what life does to you.
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>>36158374
How do I tell if I need 25mm or 40mm length needles? I have practically no fat on my arms so is 25 fine? (sorry if my questions seem retarded I have never done self injections or HRT)
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MTF here. Is it true that once you get your hormones stable that you'll experience a boost of energy and mood? i've been dealing with depression. anxiety, dry mouth, and dry face.
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>>36158732
40mm is only if you're really fat or muscular. go for 25mm. Though honestly I wouldn't recommend injecting into the arm at all. The thigh is much better.
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>>36158758
Woudn't recommend due to hazard issues or because of being less easy to do? I have personal issues with injections in general for me its mainly a mental thing I can handle it in the arm better then anywhere else, if its safer in the thigh I might try it.
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>>36158657
I heard that T should be at ~40-50 ng/dl with HRT and I have ~50E over what's needed that's why I'm wondering about if it's healthy to keep my current dosage or if I should lower it even if I was thinking about going up to 5mg soonish
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>>36158791
the issue with the arm is that you can't really get a good angle to do the work. If you're administering the injection to someone else it's okay, but yourself? Not really feasible.

It's much safer in the thigh just because you can see what you're doing much better and handle the syringe much less awkwardly.

Once you inject into the thigh with the proper technique, you won't be worried at all ever again after.

1. Find the spot. Put one palm just above your knee, and the other just below your groin. Now you've separated your thigh into thirds. We're looking for a spot on the outside half of this middle third of the thigh. Use a bright lamp (I use a seasonal affective disorder lamp) to identify the veins beneath the skin (only works if you are pale.) Find a spot with no veins visible beneath the skin at all, in the outside half of the middle third of the thigh. Circle it with a pen.

2. Prepare the syringe. use a 1ml or 3ml syringe with a 1inch, 25g needle. Preferably a low dead space syringe type, like BD Integra. That's my favorite kind. Open and uncap the syringe and stick it straight down through the seal of the vial. Remember to remove the cap if it's still there and swab it with alcohol wipes. The oil is thick, so it will take a long time of gentle, firm pressure to draw it out of the vial. Expel any bubbles and make sure the black of the plunger is lined up with the appropriate measurement.

3. swab down the circled spot on the thigh with alcohol wipes. Take a bandaid and remove the tape over only one half of the adhesive. Stick it so that it will cover up the injection site, but fold it backwards and keep the other half of the adhesive on so that it's ready to go when you finish the injection.

continued in next post
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>>36158970

4. Stick the needle straight down into the skin at the correct location, gently but firmly. You can cough when you break the skin to reduce the pain. I don't bother. Don't be afraid to slightly increase the amount of force until it breaks the skin and goes in. Once the needle is down to the base, push down on the plunger with gentle but firm pressure until it's all injected. Wait a bit, then yoink it straight out the other way like a dart. If you chose the right spot, there should be no blood. Take the tape of the other half of the bandage either way and apply the bandage over the injection site. Recap the syringe and clean up.
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how do I buy with bitcoin without getting shafted by fees like with coinbase
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>>36158991
Also, I forgot to mention. Make sure you keep your leg completely relaxed when pushing the needle in. Otherwise it will hurt.
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>>36158970
>>36158991
>>36159031
Thanks for the well written long response, I'll try looking into the spot u are reffering to online to make sure I'm understanding it correctly.
It'll take a while till I get started but I will post back when I do
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>>36159005
Kraken is great, they have an app, fees are minimal
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>>36158741
unstable levels don't tend to help, and stable levels that are within a range that feels good for u can boost mood/energy then it may alleviate or reduce those negative symptoms but hormones aren't always the underlying issue; they are a good starting point though.
if u are on an AA like cypro that can cause depression, try b12 or switching AAs, and get lvls tested. if u are on pills try patches or gel for more stable lvls, and if u are in injections try a more stable ester like EEn or EC.

>>36158862
that T lvl is for those who want to maintain genital function and don't mind the potential of minor masculinization (basically that's upper range of T).
e lvls are fine u don't need to change anything in terms of gnrh suppression, u can go a bit lower if u want, but u don't have to.
anything around that 200-300 range usually works and rly just depends on where u feel best as long as T remains suppressed at those lvls
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>>36159573
I heard target E lvl is ~300 for mono so I have even more wiggle room here and that's nice to hear
>for those who want to maintain genital function
I will go to endo next week and I wanted to beg her for some T cream so I can do Power's method for that so I don't have to jerk off daily and don't have to suffer atrophy at the same time. I haven't read on it yet though so I hope that using it locally would be enough to make it work even with that low T in blood
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bump limit hit edition next, come on we can do it!
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>>36084974
hey girls
am 2-3 months doing mono ec and already had significant breast growth, doing 0.15ml weekly from a 400ml vial
wondering if this is too high? how to know if you're having faster than recommended growth? not growing cone shaped boobies?
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>>36162385
blood tests after 3 months of last test/starting hrt if you don't want to do them than you would need to do some esoteric honscience that may or most likely may not work
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>>36162385
400ml is a bottle. i'm guessing you meant to say 400mg, probably a 10ml vial so a concentration of 40mg/ml which puts your 0.15ml dose at 6mg. ml means nothing in terms of dose without the concentration, just say your dose in mg and also state your ester. estradiol valerate would give you troughs of 150 pg/ml ish which is low for mono. anything else should put you at 300-400pg/ml, which is fine for mono and not super high, but always get bloodwork. levels can vary a lot for the same dose between individuals, and testosterone suppression can also vary a lot for the same levels. the (somewhat controversial and poorly founded) concern with high doses early on is stunted breast development, which is the opposite of what you're describing so you're probably fine. the conetits are inevitable until you get to tanner 5, the problem is that a lot of trans women never really reach it
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is 400mg of prog ideal?

boofing ofc
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>>36084974
haiii umm
idk much about hrt bc i'm new to all this business
can it change your bone structure?
because i haven't developed a barrel chest or browbone yet (18 amab) and i'm wondering if hrt can stop that
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>>36163035
it can prevent further irreversible masculinization of your bone structure, but cannot reverse any changes thay have already occurred during male puberty
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>>36163035
the hopepill is that while it won't reverse any masculinization it can change your ligaments, slightly shrinking you and giving you anterior pelvic tilt etc, also at 18 it's not off the table that you might get a bit of hip growth
(but don't go in expecting any of the above and then being disappointed. it really varies from person to person. think of all of that as a pleasant surprise on the off chance that it does happen)
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>>36158590
yo, gdzie robiłaś badania?
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>>36159705
try cialis
i don't think t-gel will help
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>>36162640
anyone
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>>36163059
>>36163108
okay yeah cool
right
i might start diy then
like i'll probably just boymode until i die bc 6ft but it's worth it to stop my body from being warped into a grotesque rape monster
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i dont have any levels so im just going off vibes but has anyone experienced masculization after switching from ev injections to een? i switched a year ago after being on ev for a year and i look so much more masculine now despite being on the same dosage. is this a thing that people have experienced?
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>>36163721
Lokalny jakiś lab albo mają jakąś umowę z diagnostyką bo podają wyniki za ich pośrednictwem, jakbym robiła bezpośrednio u diagnostyki to chciała ona parę dych więcej za pakiet badań które miałam zrobić, nawet alab był tańszy od nich w pakiecie
>>36163755
again I haven't read on Power's method in that regard so I'm not sure how exactly it would work and with cialis I would still have to get erect on my own and I'm too lazy for it while atrophy sound even worst than that so if a bit of T could help me with that AND low T overall then I would be all for it
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>>36158245
I've never had any leakage at all after switching to 30g needles, and it doesn't cause any irritation so why should I switch if it means using a bigger needle and having to go deeper?
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I know I’ve asked in the past but I can’t recall when, I’m having a lot of trouble with legally obtaining HRT so can I get some of those DIY resources that ship to SE US? Please :3
Weren’t there like little fishie ones? Those are kyuut!
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how do i start hrt? i know theres probably like 30 different guides on here but i am like genuinely to retarded to figure this out myself
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>>36164767
read the OP, it has links dummie, also hrtcafe for repo of links

>>36165131
what are your goals?

>>36162640
define "ideal", do u mean how it makes u feel, replicating cis f levels during their cycle, or some ubstudied thing like it feminizing
100-200mg is around range for replicating cis f lvls
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>>36164640
T-cream works better for localized action rather than it going systemic like gel, but afaik powers gets that compounded via empower pharmacy as it's not standard to do cream
cialis works to reverse atrophy too as it'll replace morning wood essentially
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>>36088327
>I know there are no thorough studies done.
Before I could ask for progesterone, my Planned Parenthood doc told me a couple months ago about some recent studies that supported its use and she wrote me a prescription. Things might have changed recently and your endo might be slightly out of date.
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>>36165495
For me gel and cream meant the same thing with only patches that uses slow acting gel being a different thing -_-
I'm worried of just not getting any erections on cialis with my non existing libido without manually jerking it in which case T cream would be better maybe idk I still have nearly a week to read on it
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god why am i too much of a pussy to order diy lmao
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>>36165820
well, they should be different in terms of measured T lvls, that's the main concern imo as what mtf wants to masculinize
cialis works best when u have a libido tho so I'd look into resolving that, sometimes it just takes time for your body to adjust to hrt, or it's say your AA (e.g. cypro) or e lvls being too low or for some prog helps

>>36166672
get everything prepped so u are able to order if u want to, as u don't have to, then make a list of pros and cons, discuss with friends if u have ppl u can talk to abt this, and then go from there
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>>36166916
look at >>36158590 for why I want to up my T, it's unhealthy level of low T and my libido comes from depression, antidepressants and HRT so combo of those three defeated it completely. If I can get T for it to work mostly on my dick and increase my overall T a bit than I would be happy with how my blood tests would look like from what I heard about powers T on dick method (it should be shortened somehow) but I'll have to beg a endo next week for it and not to kill me for doing DIY so irresponsibly so fingers crossed
Also if I could get my T to be literally nuked with only 4mgEV/5days does that mean I could be intersex? And I don't mean 100% confirmed legit no scam intersex but just a another clue for it
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>>36166672
concerned about DIY risks or HRT in general?
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>>36167060
Good luck ig, and not really no it wouldn't indicate intersex
w/monotherapy e levels low T lvls are expected, but how low varies as it depends on adrenals with near zero gonadatropins
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Can you get on DIY HRT if you are really underweight (5'11 and 110 pounds) or is that dangerous? I will gain weight soon enough. Will you get conetits at that weight? Are mono E injections alright?
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>>36088327
stop being a fed, problem solved
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awkward question but.
if i have hair growing around my nipples and on my breasts, is hrt gonna stop that from happening or would it be in my best interest to get it lasered before I start?
and if so, do you have a cheap-ish at home laser you recommend? I've been meaning to buy one but haven't really wanted to spend that money ATM, but can if it's necessary. preferably around the 200 euro/dollar range, but the cheaper the better
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>>36168319
You should get on HRT and then start putting on weight, preferably once your levels are good and you know your T is suppressed so that it all goes into a female distribution. That's ideal in fact. I don't think starting weight really affects conetits
>>36168595
I also had a some hair around my nipples and on my chest, and it's really thinned out and grows way slower, but i had very little to begin with so ymmv. I used to pluck my chest hair every few days, now I only have to pluck a few strands every week or two and my nipple hair even more rarely. It's barely visible now anyway, especially the nipple hair. I'm 4 months on hrt
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>>36168749
thank you! i have.. id say a medium amount? its not bushy but its very visible again 1/2 days after i shave so hopefully estrogen will lessen that
and then i can get rid of it completely with laser once i have that.
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>>36168814
It might thin out and slow down but you're definitely gonna need laser to get rid of it completely then. Don't pluck or epilate if you plan on getting laser btw, while it will grow back slower it will make laser less effective.
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>>36168595
tria is the only laser device that actually works, use ebay to get one cheaper
otherwise diy electro would be a solution that's affordable, ppl talk abt it in this thread
if u wanna go2 a professional use Groupon if u can it'll b a lot cheaper, the prices they give at the clinic is always more expensive, unless u live in say NYS or Cali or something then u can possibly get it covered under insurance (they have to be licensed tho and accept your insurance, or superbill it)
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>>36103888
They're a 'real' pharmacy and as such they can look at your prescription and confirm you ordered the right thing, I've never bothered (I have prescriptions) because I know what I need and I've never been challenged

t. cishet guy who just hangs out in these threads for research purposes
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>>36166916
>get everything prepped so u are able to order if u want to,
i'm trying to do that

>discuss with friends if u have ppl u can talk to abt this,
i only have a single friend who knows i want to take estrogen
he probably would tell me just to get a prescription

>>36167642
both



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