>>38065689
nah

>>38065709
will prog fix them or nah
what about simulated-pregnancy-maxxing?

>>38065689
what are conetits

>>38065728
lurk moar

>>38065726
can help
prob not that late on hrt though

>>38065689
prog will make them round out. no matter how long it's been. the only downside is your farts will become stinky. at least mine did.

>>38065771
why would being that late on hrt make a difference for prog? I gained weight rather recently wish is the reason why I wasn't worried about it until now

>>38065787
it wouldn't they're incorrect.

>>38065798
okay so I'm not insane. I guess rounding them out would kinda help but I'd want more growth too Idk if that's possible tho? kinda at a loss. are there bloods I could test for that would help me somehow? E has been 80-200 pg/mL at trough for several years. T is down. endo refuses to test anything else but I can switch doctors

>>38065807
i mean how do you think they round out by more mass being there lol. the only other things u could test is esoteric shit like hgh and the other one that starts with an S i think its four letters, but good luck getting someone to test for that shit.

>>38065820
oh yeah I wanted to get SHBG tested but my endo is braindead

>>38065689
I mean 20 bmi is pretty low like it's in the healthy range but have you looked at other girls who are 20 bmi and seen what size they are?

>>38065689
Just know there is a lot of hon science going around.

>>38067178
okay well I'm up from like 13 bmi so it's progress and my tits have like only grown a tiny bit since gaining (it all went to my ass)

>>38067196
anything specific you'd like to point out? there's always honscience going around about everything tbhon

you fell for the meme sorry, majority of trannies need BA to not have cones.

>>38065689
Get on prog and get your BMI up to ~28. That should round them out some.
But keep in mind that this late into HRT, prog may be less effective compared to if you had started it when you should have ~12 months in.

>>38067202
How long ago were you 13? Because shit takes time.

>>38067212
Idk, from my tranny friends I know it's more like 30% of us have conetits? or smth like that

also like Idk I'm a stealthoid and look good otherwise it's just kind of annoying esp after falling for the "just eat more"

>>38065807
Depends, some people reported it as a symptom of ramping up E too fast, while others report additional development with increasing E over time, or switching to different administration methods. YMMV

>>38067212
not op but lowkey i wish it was all trannies who cant get real tits without implants. it would be more fair that way.
>t. pragmatic bitterhon

>>38067223
aka nobody knows and they all think the thing they did is the one that works (and back it up with "evidence")
I've started at a low dose, (2 mg per day pills), switched to injections a year in, had good levels the whole time after the start basically so I don't think that's the reason

it was prob the anamaxxing desu but yeah

>>38067222
what age did you start hrt at, for lateshits (majority of tranners still) hrtitty growth will be nil

>>38067202
Like the things people say about prog. That said, some are fine without it, and some don't improve with it. Surgery could be the best option if you don't try to stretch the skin too much, and would probably help more with better orientation. But you don't want it so it's off the table.

>>38067238
Yeah, it's not an exact science, but people that need some hope will believe what they need to.

>>38067246
started at 18, I'm a luckshit in most other depts but not breast growth lol

>>38067246
I started at 40 and I'm up to C cups.
Majority of trannies expect HRT to do all the work rather than weight cycling and maintaining the right macro/micro balances.

>>38067251
yeah I'm scared surgery would have me lose too much sensitivity, which is pretty important for me and I'd rather be small than have senseless tits

>>38067265
I started at 13 bmi and am up to 20. unless I need to gain more I don't think that would be the issue and my nutrition is generally pretty good esp for an american (lol)

>>38067265
>I started at 40
bahahaha

>>38067265
if the buds fuse then that's just game, weight cycling is not gonna do shit except for general fat distribution.

>>38067322
"buds fuse" is honscience tho is it not? what the fuck does that even mean? breasts aren't bones lmao

>>38067291
40 years old.
My BMI is ~33

>>38067322
>buds fuse
Retarded. They're not bones.

>>38067246
honestly anyone who starts after 14 is either a luckshit or needs implants

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>>38067335
>>38067344
>they don't know about the bonetits

>>38067265
>I started at 40
susan's place is that way, ma'am

>>38067351
Idk anyone personally who started before 18 but most of them have normal tits. I honestly think it's jsut a symptom of anamaxxing that never goes away even if you gain

>>38067322
>>38067335
Yeah, bud fusing is hon science. What the actual fuck is wrong with this board lately? Next they will say you can have periods if you start young enough in puberty at 20-25. I'm so done with this shit. It's not even funny anymore.

>>38067366
>Next they will say you can have periods if you start young enough in puberty at 20-25.
been unironically seeing a lot of this lately. Reddit is leaking

>>38067359
To be fair, this has become equivalent to Susans most of the time, and worse on other days. It's just young Susans, but that doesn't really make it better.

>>38067359
>>38067380
If you can't remember where you were on 9/11 you're too young to be here.
The average age of 4chan users is like 35 now.

>>38067366
>Next they will say you can have periods if you start young enough in puberty at 20-25.
been unironically seeing a lot of this lately. it's bleak.

>>38067366
no yeah. all of trans internet is honscience everywhere. usually I can spot it but sometimes it can be hard ngl

>>38067378
It's borderline on the same delusional level as mpreg.

>>38067393
desu if I could delude myself into thinking I have a uterus I'd be a lot happier so I cna't really blame them for it

>>38067378
>we may not have a uterus but we have a cycle anyway! teehee
NO WE FUCKING DON'T AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>38067402
>when you take estrogen your body starts running its own magic cycle in the background
really? how does that work?
>idk It just feels right so I think it works that way despite no evidence (beyond anecdotes) to back it up and no hypothesis on a biological mechanism

>>38067378
It's not leaking, it fucking exploded.
Some ratfuck scumbag jewish pieces of fetid pigshit were meming us and we got an influx of edgy teens who think every thread is passgen and 4chan is about being as obnoxious as possible at all times.

That said, don't take medical advice from 4chan has always been good advice.

>>38067412
what's funny is my endo throws misnfo around like it's candy for halloween. is not any better or worse asking ppl here and playing spot the bullshit lmao

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>>38067402
umm actually sweaty i have cramps every month periods =/= menstruation i get moody and have period poops and it's totally a period even tho i inject estrogen weekly don't invalidate my lived experience transgorl periods are real!

>>38067424
I inject estrogen monthly and even I don't claim to have period symptoms. it's fucking ridiculous

>>38067410
>also you have to call yourselves uterus havers or menstruators now because the idea that there's anything different about us hurts my feelings

>>38067410
>muh no evidence
Niggers like you couldn't find evidence if I stapled it to a cricket bat and smacked you in the face with it.

There's "no evidence" estrogen cause breast growth in men. Not even kidding, there have been no clinical studies and the majority of doctors still do not believe an adult man can grow tits.

>>38067422
Yeah my GP didn't realize the blood clot risk was with Oral E and all the studies about it are for ciswomen.

>>38067441
my endo said T can convert to E and told me to take prep (I have a long term monogamous relationship)

>>38065689
Progesterone helped a little when I tried it for a few months. Being brave enough to take it properly helped more. I've had the best results from 2 weeks on/off cycles with the notable side effect of monthly mood swings. I read that cypro should be just as good and it isn't whatsoever. Injections are good too

>>38067402
Whether or not it's true, talking about it achieves nothing and gives transphobes more "evidence" of us being delusional

>>38067455
I'm on undecylate injections (monthly) and don't need an AA. I'll prob try prog soon I do have a script for it just haven't used it

>>38067450
>T can convert to E
It does. There's an enzyme called aromatase which does it. It's not the only way the body produces E, but it is a way.
>I have a long term monogamous relationship
is he?
PReP is a good idea. We can make HIV extinct then go back to having all the unprotected sex we want.

>>38067470
sorry I'm retarded he said that E can convert to T. what he said was so braindead that I couldn't even quote him properly

yes you are right aromatase is real I know that lol

>>38067441
>the majority of doctors still do not believe an adult man can grow tits.
i would believe that too if i saw mostly sissy boomerhon patients

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>>38067441
GPs are NPCs, they only follow the scripts they were taught in med school and they're not even good at it

>>38067488
Google it. The answers.com concensus is that it's "impossible" for a transwoman to grow tits after male puberty and you need "implants" according to every plastic surgeon ever apparently.

>>38067495
Try dealing with this shit in Australia where they've literally locked EVERYTHING up behind a GPs appointment, and then they fucking FAIL at do the most basic tasks.

It got to the point the department of human services declare that medical anything was now "voluntary" because people were waiting DECADES to get onto disability while some doctor failed to wrap his head around what a medical certificate is for.

I fucking HATE doctors.

>>38067527
my endo is literally only the lab dispenser cause it's so incompetent. prob 10 of my insurance best doctor's wouldn't be able to do my hrt effectively lmao plus undecylate is on top

My doctor asked me if I was on my period because I had blood in my urine. I just laughed and said no it's just my kidneys. RIP.

>>38067545
what does blood in urine have to do with your tits

>>38067548
People are talking about periods now.

>>38067540
The other thing I keep getting is the fresh out of medschool types who want to tell me that gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness.

It's like bitch sit down and fucking, this shit destroyed my life, fucking oath it's a mental illness. Please stop pretending like anyone gives a fuck about your opinion and give me the informed consent waver so we can get this shit started.

>>38067560
it's "not a mental illness" but as soon as you have any other psychiatric diagnosis insurance won't cover anything for you... very interesting indeed

>>38067579
If they try to stick the BPD label on you, sue for defamation (there is precedent).
Unless they are a psychiatrist a BPD diagnosis might as well be a diagnosis of being a Sagittarius.

>>38067591
even depression diagnosis would fuck me over for getting any surgeries covered lmao. my insurance really be like that

but yeah bpd and bipolar I'd like to avoid diagnoses for and even if I do fall within something like that, I think it's manageable without meds so why would I want a diagnosis

>>38067599
Personality disorders and Depression/bipolar are not the same thing.
A personality disorder is just a diagnosis of being an arsehole.

Tell em you got Minority Stress Disorder and a lawyer.

>>38067613
hmmm my sister was diagnosed with BPD before being actually diagnosed with bipolar and was put on similar meds

I guess that would make sense

>>38067624
Meds aren't indicated for personality disorders.
Cognitive Behavioural Therapy is.
But CBT for someone experiencing GD is called "Conversion therapy" and it's illegal.
Thus if they try to stick you with BPD, sue.

Minority Stress Disorder, which has many of the same symptoms as a personality disorder, is the lawyer's mental illness of choice.

>>38067649
never heard of this... interesting

then how come all the people I know who are diagnosed with BPD are on meds?

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>>38067654
Because your government is corrupt.

>>38067666
another burgerland L
not surprising tbhon

>>38067676
Seriously tho, the fact that you can at least get HRT is a massive W over australia.
And the worst part is all the cunts patting themselves on the back for how "great" Australia is for transwomen because they personally aren't having any difficulty.

I'm going to have to fix it myself I think.

>>38067694
if you aren't DIY'ing already Idk what you are doing
I can get a prescription pretty easily but DIY is way better in nearly every capacity so I just give my script to the local broke boymoder instead

>>38067694
we need to go back to the gatekeeping model of requiring trannies to live for 2 years as the opposite sex before getting hormones or surgery.

>>38067710
I basically had this because my therapist refused to let me get on hrt before 18 and my parents thought I should "just be non binary instead"

>>38067706
CAN'T nigger.
The only country in the fucking world can't do it. Because our customs and border faggots are actually good at their fucking job.

Which means a medicine that is over the counter in 108 countries is completely fucking available to me.

So you can see how infuriating it is when people tell me how lucky I have it to be a tranny in Australia.

>>38067710
>Make everyone honmode for 2 years
Why tho?

>>38067726
Silvermaple does domestic shipping in australia
https://silvermaplelabs.com/

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>>38067717
>let me get on hrt before 18
That's actually standard practice.
They are supposed to give you puberty blockers tho.

The real issue is they keep lumping us in with the pooners who really should not be given T before 25. T is a dangerous and addictive performance enhancing drug, it's basically super soldier serum, but both T and E are categorized as "HRT"
And so when they should be saying "No T for teenage AFABs"
That gets retardified into "No HRT for trans teenagers".

Pooners are the reason my normal GP won't just write me a script for HRT either. GPs keep getting in trouble for giving T (schedule 1) to pooners and gymbros which makes all the retards afraid to prescribe E (schedule 4) to trannies.

>>38067741
Thanks for that soaring hope and crushind disappointment bro.
I'm going to cry now okay?

>>38067798
in US they will often give HRT if you are 16 or older. but yeah she was refusing to even let me have puberty blockers which was awesome

also yeah np, (for better or for worse) I don't think they've been around very long so it's not like you could've ordered from them before like this year or so lol

also worse comes to worse I THINK people don't have too much trouble getting E powder into australia which you can homebrew gel pretty easily with (or injections of you're a crazy like me)

>>38067817
>also worse comes to worse I THINK people don't have too much trouble getting E powder into australia
Not for me.
I'm on lists.

I'm HOPING I can find some other trannies in my local area who will help me out until the system is done torturing me.

>>38067798
also if silvermaple isn't selling right now (looks like they aren't) add me qqupp on disc and maybe I can help look for another option

there's no way there isn't at least one non-domestic brewer that hasn't figured out shipping to australia that can get through customs.

>>38067838
ahhh that's a bit complicated lol

>>38067849
I don't have a disc right now.
But the issue is that they treat any package coming to ME as suspicious.
It's all fucking automated now.

Like I said, the solution is find IRL friends who can help me out while trying my best to get a doctor to do their fucking job competently.

The thing that's really fucking me over is it's been a month since I ordered the herbal stuff and something's gone wrong and I'm nearly out.

>>38067884
well, hopefully the AU homebrewer goes back up soon

>>38067893
You realize they probably got raided?
Cops don't give a fuck what you're selling, they'll do anything to avoid dealing with the african gangs.

>>38067914
>You realize they probably got raided?
good, manufacturing and distributing unlicensed drugs is dangerous and should be a crime. I hope they get the death penalty.

>>38067914
they say they're going to be back up in december or jan
they apparently split off from silvermaple and are now https://panaceapharma.net/

stop being so paranoid for like 5 seconds lol. a homebrewer is obviously taking a big risk especially depending on the country, but I don't think that's what happened lol

>>38067944
>they apparently split off from silvermaple
That'll be because silvermaple doesn't want convict stink on their brand.

It's not paranoia nigger, I know how this country works. They will be back up, but then they'll get raided again, and then they'll come back up again. We're Australians, we do crime, the real rules are don't get greedy and don't cause a fuss.

That said, cops are arseholes.

>>38067981
well yeah australia is basically a police state but my point was that they'll keep running anyways lmao

>>38067995
Yeah but how reliably and how much is this going to cost?

>>38068008
this is there current listing for enanthate
https://panaceapharma.net/product/estradiol-enanthate/
70 USD (they only take crypto) for like a year+ supply

>>38067995
Also how the fuck do I buy drugs with bitcoin?
>We only accept payment in cryptocurrency (bitcoin, litecoin, monero, and ethereum). Unfortunately for security reasons we cannot accept credit/debit cards or paypal.

>We ship internationally from Australia to all countries with the exception of Russia, Argentina, and North Korea.
I wonder what Argentina did.

>>38068023
buy it from a crypto exchange or p2p crypto service
who knows, might just have really strict customs but their tranny care is really good anyway afaik

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Genetics.

>>38068015
Out of stock.

>>38068027
>buy it from a crypto exchange or p2p crypto service
Links? FAQs? Never done anything like that.

>>38068030
ah the egofags have found my thread. hello there, how are you doing

>>38068033
they're out of stock and say on their homepage they will restock in december

>Links? FAQs? Never done anything like that.
I don't know which exchanges are good in australia. you can find info on that elsewhere, but once you get the crypto it's as simple as sending the correct amount from your accountto an address

>>38068037
haha only in jest. desu i hate my tits. I think the correct answer is that cis women also hate their boobs. or trans guys. or transfem. or transmasc. It's part of having boobs and in the end it kinda just means youre...normal?

>>38068046
Why must everything be difficult?

>>38068059
this is true lmao. if they don't grow and even if they do I'll just end up coping somehow you are so right

>>38068061
because the world is evil and everyone is retarded. but I at least try my best to help even if I'm not the best at it because people deserve to suffer less even if they are evil

just do mad pushup bruh.
then flex your pecs for 5+ minut eevery day.
sculpt them with your arm until all the muscle convert to fat and you cant flex no more cause the muscle is liquidated.

smoke crack and hh

>>38068071

Mhm. Too big= sag over time, too small= anxious about passing, too cone = weird, too flat = weird, it's all nonsense. Just get that good german sizing for your bras and hoistery. it's the best way to go about things.

>>38068103
hmm true and based...
I pass fine already and my bf likes them so I should prob just stop complaining and self-esteem-max
thank u anon for your wise words <3

>>38068109
<3 we love to see it!

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>>38068071
Yes. You did good today.

>>38068121
I didn't make either of those posts.
But you can seethe about deez tiddiez do.

>>38068030
What age did you start anon?

>>38068703
I started at 18