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>What is /wng/ - Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royal Road, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

>/wng/ authors.
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>Advice for Noobs!

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>>24848969
yeah
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>>24848929
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/128737/the-wheel-and-the-wing

>>24848933
The man can't sauce well, what can you say?
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>Check the changes to tags
>RR separates Dungeon tag into dungeon core and dungeon crawler
>Didn't separate Portal fantasy from Isekai slop
WHY
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>>24849009
one step at a time
would be a good change though
make a suggestion on the forums
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>>24849014
>make a suggestion on the forums
I don't have an account
>inb4 just make one
No

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Why is it so unusual in the history of thought for someone to be so thoroughly God-affirming yet so perfectly irreligious?

After Plotinus I can think of very few, and all are relatively recent. Even the germans, or the french spiritualists (think Ravaisson, Bergson) seem to remain open to religiosity on principle.

Notably, Eric Perl (neoplatonism scholar, former Roman Catholic) has apostasized in recent years, and theologian David Bentley Hart (though for some mysterious reason he still insists on calling himself a christian) does not seem terribly convinced about things like exclusivism or the real efficacy of religious rituals.

But by and large, people who are willing to admit that the world depends on a principle (call it what you want, really) tend to be open to or convinced of the notion that said principle could manifest or reveal itself in another special, priviledged way, that it could somehow act no longer as the principle, but as a being among beings, intervening among them and upon them.

This is obviously a very counterintuitive idea, and actually extremely hard to reconcile with what is commonly called "classical theism". It's not just that there is a gap between say, the quinque viae and religion, it's that there is an apparent (and I would say, probably actual) contradiction between the latter and any framework in which the former have any meaning.

So what gives? My bet is that historically most people working/writing in this field were initially religious and picked it up as apologetics. But they tended to surreptitiously equate theism and religion, metaphysics with legalism, ethics with casuistry. This, is turn, is off-putting to people who might otherwise have been interested in the topic, and, having been convinced that theology was essentially a part of religion, discard it altogether.

(Of course I'm not counting the deist thing as that has little to do with actual metaphysics/theology.)
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>>24840808
saying this guy believes in God is like saying Buddhists believe in God...Plotinus is an annihilationist who was coping about the hatred of his own body
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>>24848022
>If Plotinus can't be described as 'religious', why does he take so much trouble to allegorize/philosophize Greek myths?
Gee, I don't know, maybe because he knew that they (or Egyptian myths, for that matter) could not be taken literally, but that the reason they held so much sway over greek culture was because they contained a truth that existed completely apart from them and from it?
Which again, would obviously make him NOT religious?

Idk, just a guess.
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>>24848170
>saying this guy believes in God is like saying Buddhists believe in God...
Might be, depending on the buddhist. I'm no expert but it seems to me that some strands of East Asian Buddhism in particular came much closer to a sane (and greek) conception of God than the abrahamic magical sky daddy. Plotinus may have had some knowledge of Buddhist thought, though that's highly debated. (some in the 20th century have gone as far as speculating that Ammonius Saccas was a buddhist going by Gautama's nickname, Sakyamuni)

He wasn't an annihilationist, though. And the extent to which he actually was "ashamed of being in a body" is debatable. (though those are two unrelated concerns)

He probably wouldn't have believed in personal immortality (which makes him somewhat closer to Aristotle than to Plato), and how he would reconcile that with his belief in metempsychosis is a difficult, though not intractable problem.

There might be some truth in the anecdote that recounts his dying words, but at the very least I think it's true to the spirit of his writings.
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>>24848058
Try all of Ennead IV.4. for starters. IIRC it contains not just references to technical astrological concepts but also a detailed overview of real metaphysical questions in astrology and astrological/theurgic magic.
>Next thing you'll be telling me he could read hieroglyphics.
I have never thought about it, it wouldn't surprise me if he could but I don't think that's relevant.
>>24848170
Take your meds annihilationism schizo.
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>>24840808
Unironically, Alan Watts

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>ermm anon why don't you have a single female author in your book case?
>but you have all the Pynchons? Seriously??? Are you literally an incel or something?
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>>24848329
Source: my ass
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>>24847622
Don't my Flannery O'Connor, Hildegard of Bingen, and Theresa of Avila books count anonette? Oh why look here's a modern one, Tampa. What a novel that was.
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>>24848809
Kek
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>>24847737
It's because this website is probably owned and run by fucking kikes. Let's see if I get banned and the post removed ay? Frankly I hope so this place is cancer.
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>>24847772
>that rape scene
kek

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Idealism and the Protestant reformation were mistakes.
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>>24848913
I understood him as putting them both as necessary parts of society and paths men use to channel their masculine energy, with the combination of both being necessary to become a leader. I have my disagreements with Evola too i.e. I'm not entirely sold on solar and lunar being racial and do think Guénon is more spiritually aware (most importantly because he actually initiated himself into a tradition) but I still find his work phenomenal overall.
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>>24848838
Good book, although it still has a few issues, but good intro, it's best if you read Plato's works on eros and love
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>>24848792
how do they even differ from Southern Baptists?
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>>24848985
They're basically Presbyterians who believe in believer's baptism, instead of paedobaptism. Calvinistic. Hold to covenant theology, sola scriptura, etc. most are confessional and hold to the 1689. They believe the church is Israel, and view Jews as wicked and in need of conversion.
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>>24848838
I can't with Guenon. dude is an open orientalist and my origins are lowland Anglo-Irish. complete cultural clash.

What am I in for?
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>>24848807
Is it talent or is it just luck? What makes this romance authoress better than all the other romance authoresses? Why was Daisy Ridley chosen to play Rey when there were literally thousands of other pretty but not too pretty actresses who could have played her just as well?
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>>24847966
>>24848075
The thing is there are millions of these crap books and only one in a million get lucky and catch on. Please don't add more slop to the world, just play the lottery instead.
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>>24848909
Probably because they put out for the right people, and then maybe blackmailed as a bonus incentive. There is no such thing as luck, it's just causes we don't understand and coinciding of events.
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>>24848075
this is exactly the same as seeing a retarded video like hawk tuah going viral and thinking 'i'll make a retarded video and go viral too!' no way won't. you'll make a retarded video and be lost in the sea of 1 trillion retarded videos uploaded that day and get 7 views. you'll write smut equal and comparable to viral smut and get 20 sales after an aggressive ad campaign. the success has nothing - NOTHING - to do with the quality of product, of which there are, in the romance category, not thousands, not hundreds of thousands, but literally millions of near-indistinguishable works. unless you can market like audra winter - which isn't calculated but rather the culmination of narcissistic personality disorder and a planetary sized ego - luck is the be all, end all. so go ahead. write that shit if you want. you will never, ever make a buck from it.
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>>24847802
Rey x Kylo fanfiction.
>>24848871
it's done in illustrations to show who wants it and who's surprised by it. In real life guys close their eyes too because it's weird staring into a girls eyes from 1 inch away.

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What comfy books 25-35 year olds should read after doing hard work during the day? Books which not only should help them chill but also give them useful wisdom.
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>>24847366
>chill but also give them useful wisdom
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I like reading Maupassant
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>>24847366
i like anything by Jack London
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>>24847366
here is much interesting browsing material
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RIGHT WING BASICS
http://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pi20Rr9_BxBbMIfcZUTTGslfZTifEiCm
google drive easy to use interface
download the whole blob or pick and choose
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>>24848997
I do have those.

Atheist-sisters, our response? He has five of them!
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I don't need proofs to know God exists
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>>24843513
agrippa is funnier than every naive schooler meme
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>>24846848
>I don't believe in any gods, but I don't identify with atheism even though I am one because I am also racist, this is somehow a good argument against atheism
Perhaps in future we can replace your brain with that from donor mice and see an improvement in your ability to reason.
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>>24843519
Pascal quit math because he felt it was wrong for Christians to study since it took time away from religion and didn’t please God

>>24843608
Gods exist in Buddhism but not necessarily as objects of worship, they’re just incarnations where the pleasures far outweigh the pain but they’re mortal die and reincarnate. Gods can also be worshipped in Buddhism but this is purely about the culture of land, like if the Roman Empire had converted to Buddhism they would probably still have Jupiter and so on. Buddhism is incompatible with the belief in a creator because it is dogmatically agnostic about whether or not the universe always existed and whether or not there is a non-material soul, Buddha refusing to answer these questions. Buddhism outright rejects atman though, the soul in the sense of self. Like Nietzsche, Buddhism says there is no doer, only deeds. Deeds are like frames in a cartoon and they create an illusion of a doer but each deed is just the inexorable consequence of the prior
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>I can tell Catholics what they believe but Muslims can’t tell me

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Who are the Ancient Chinese equivalent of Livy and Tacitus?
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The Shiji by Sima Qian is the first real work of ancient Chinese history. You can also find historical bits and pieces in Confucius, Mencius, Zhuangzi etc. but you should understand that translating Chinese is fraught and entire meaning of passages can change from one translation to another. Make sure you have commentaries to work with if you want to make the most of ancient Chinese texts in English.
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>>24848199
What about the Spring and Autumn Anals? Is it worth reading?
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>>24848414
Nta but it’s generally regarded that you won’t get much out of the chunqiu without one of the classic commentaries, eg the Zuo tradition.
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>>24848414
>Anals
The word you want is 'Annals'.
Mistaking one for the other could be awkward desu.

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>beta readers love it
>the edgy dick in my writers group begrudgingly likes it
>I followed elements of style to a T
>yet still, out of 500 queries, I get one partial request

Am I missing something? Is there, like, an automaton approach to send out queries and i just have to numb my heart and just focus on hitting every even somewhat open minded agent with automaton bullshit?
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>>24848797
You're supposed to be selective, target people who work with stuff like what you've got, and personalize your query for them. Basically treat them like actual humans and not just stepping stone on your way to getting published
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>>24848797
>Am I missing something?
let's see your query letter. there are multiple things that can be wrong 1. your title 2. your summary 3. your bio, etc.
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>>24848797
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>>24848844
>queries
>query letter
what the HELL are you guys talking about?!
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>>24848927
lmgtfy
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>>24848797
They're judging you on your pitch and your first couple of thousand words at best, not the whole novel. Those are what have to be 99/100 to get a response.

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ye olde: >>24835665

Recommended reading charts (Look here before asking for vague recs).
https://mega.nz/folder/kj5hWI6J#0cyw0-ZdvZKOJW3fPI6RfQ/folder/4rAmSZxb

>Archive:
https://warosu.org/lit/?task=search2&search_subject=sffg

>Goodreads:
https://www.goodreads.com/group/show/1029811-sffg

>Thread Question:
What's your favourite decade of sci-fi?
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>>24848568
https://youtu.be/Rt0spqQtMKg
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>>24847315
kino
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I always see this guy in the b section on used book stores while I look Bakker stuff. Is his stuff any good?
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>>24846418
same
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>>24846387
>A unique feature of the folding-stock variants is the butt hook. With the stock extended, the hook can be pushed in and turned 90 degrees to the left or right, to fit under the user's forearm. This is to enable the shotgun to be fired with one hand; e.g. while abseiling/rappelling, or from a vehicle window while driving. The hook can be released from the buttplate completely by turning 180 degrees.
it's a pistol brace

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Women seem to be the predominant readers and it seems predominantly porn for them. If men read books it's predominantly long-running sci-fi series.

I've had success and interest in readership but it's not sci-fi (Epic fantasy) and my most success wasn't even a proper novel but a comic. The problem is comics are pretty much dead as well for English speaking countries. Am I wrong or do I need to start prioritizing different countries?
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>>24848820
>wait a couple of decades
In a couple of decades the average normgroid will be completely illiterate
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no one wants to read realist fiction, at the very least it needs to be speculative fiction or romance or something with a niche that has things you know you will like. otherwise why would you even know it exists?
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>>24848957
It's very idealistic and has romance, but it's comparatively small and scale and focused more on small characters and barbarian conquests rather than large scale warfare. If I were to guess my biggest issue though it's that the Greek and Persian empires and terminologies are not interesting to the average American alongside the type of character focused writing being not as appealing to autists than ones that focus on intricate world-building. I don't think men outside of dedicated nerds even read novels in the US.
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>>24848780
A lot has changed in 25 years. Harry Potter into The Hunger Games, Twilight into 50 shades, social media and Amazon, and most importantly for men reading, video games. Genre fiction has been entirely subsumed by franchisable genre fiction. The midlist is gone. Female porn went mainstream and, predictably, took over almost the entire market. And the geniuses of the ivory tower like David Mitchell are deplatformed unless grandfathered in. Literary fiction is exclusively interracial lesbians fleeing oppression or fighting the institutional racism of whites. McCarthy would have zero chance of getting published today. We haven't even touched on AI or the fact that 4 million books were uploaded to Amazon last year.


In essence, you're likely doing nothing wrong. You're just playing the old game. Though you must acknowledge, character driven storytelling has never topped charts in any form of media. Your characters can be cardboard cut-outs and you can still be the biggest selling author of all time if you have a killer hook in the form of a mystery, a timeless debate like faith vs reason and end every chapter on a cliffhanger.

All this to say, if I were you, I wouldn't be too granular in my self-assessment. You're probably a good writer. It's probably not your work. All you can do is write, market, write, market, write, market. The main thing for success being market. Look at Audra Winter, if you can without throwing up.
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>>24848968
i read novels for example but you know what? i went the the store the last time i wanted to buy one and it wasn't even in stock. so i listened to the audiobook, which was free through a sub. it was a good book but the author only has two books. so if i want more i have to wait. also, if you go to a library the waiting list for new books is usually quite long. personally i think you went too far in the niche direction maybe. i kind of meant more, it needs to be realist but have soft elements of a niche thing. it also REALLY helps if it's an established IP but that's out of your control
if people liked you comic, why not focus on that instead of a novel? i know this is /lit/ but you seem to have found success. you can also write a novel when you have even more comic success and maybe more people will read it then? there's a lot of reasons to have hope.

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Made a similar thread on /tv/, so I'll it here as well.

As someone whose entire media consumption is anime, how much am I missing?
I have zero reason to not read book, I just... never started.
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>>24831359
Is it like an autism comfort zone thing? why would you arbitrarily limit your media intake to such a narrow niche?

Of course there is a lot of worthwhile material in almost every art form. Literature especially has the benefit of being one of the oldest forms. You're missing out on one of the richest cultural inheritances of mankind.
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>>24847327
>Is it like an autism comfort zone thing? why would you arbitrarily limit your media intake to such a narrow niche?
No idea, honestly.
It's not like I ever had any arguments to not read books or watch movies, I just didn't, and never had a way of easily getting into it:
When it comes to anime, I'm already fully immersed in a community, know where to discover new ones, know where to find discussion about it, am acquainted with the tropes, genes, traditions, etc.
Also, I "gamified" my experience: Now I feel that each anime I watch is like "a brick reinforcing my magnificent castle" rather than just a random brick.

Perhaps my main issue nowadays is the idea of having to start from the bottom and them climb my way up?
When it comes to anime, I already have the foundation, so I can just watch whatever I want.
For a new medium, each new thing I would consume at first would feel small compared to what else I also have to consume to know the bare minimum.
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>>24847468
I get what you're saying, familiarity with a medium being a sort of satisfying achievement collection or an expertise you can be proud off. Its an fair way of consuming media and i enjoy doing it as well, but i think if thats your only way of conceptualizing the consumption of media, to the point of it making you anxious to get into new things, you are ultimately just hindering yourself. Try thinking about it in different ways, like,

Does what you consumed help you understand the history of mankind? what mattered to people, what shaped history? There is something uniquely mind opening about reading the Epic of Gilgamesh and hearing a voice echoing its deepest emotions from 3000 years ago.

Can what you consumed result in rich, varied conversations? how easily can you connect with a date over shared media you enjoy? putting all your eggs in one basket (especially one as nerdy as anime) will severely limit this.

Lastly, there is just something exciting about encountering things that are completely outside of your wheelhouse. About being new to something, finding subgenres or art movements or micro niches you did not know existed. Staying with just anime is like staying in your hometown your whole life, never looking at whats over the next hill.
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>>24848175
I don't disagree with you.
In fact, I think part of why I've been wanting to also branch out to other mediums is because part of me agrees with you.

Yet part of me is also a bit sacred:
What if I end up no longer enjoying anime after this? It would be like an ego death.
...is what I would usually say, though a few weeks ago I watched this video that made believe that I might be fine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFwZ5a2MSIw
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>>24847286
It's comparatively cheap compared to commercial films.

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what's the deal with writing in books
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>>24848555
whats the deal with airplane food could it BE any drier?
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>>24848555
someone noticed me reading a philosophy book without taking notes (at all) and he took some jabs at me. showed me his book covered in chicken scratch. if you need to jot down stuff do it somewhere else don't ruin the book
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>>24848651
LMAO, U B THINKIN INSIDE YO HEAD? AYO THIS NIGGA EATIN BEANS
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>>24848651
i used to think it like this but then i realized it's way easier to just reference the book instead of separate notes, so i mark stuff for quick reference instead
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>>24848555
I go ham with it. No I won't elaborate. Fuck you.

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When you read a book, do you visualize the landscape and the people, like a movie scene flowing through your mind?
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>>24843045
whelp, there we go. Stupidest post I read on /lit/ so far today. I'm rooting for you, anon. I want you to come in first place.
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>>24843067
Just like thinking everyone else got a movie in their head when reading, I thought everyone could "wireframe" an object and rotate it in their head. Like a computerized blueprint. This skill is wat gets measured on intelligence tests, when you get to the part where you have to tell which "rubiks cube" matches the question cube. People that can read/make blueprints, cad cam, good with maps and schematics... all are good at this. I never had problem one with maps my whole life, I thought GPS was superfluous.
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>>24843673
>Something I've recognised however is that my imagination when reading tends to follow a blueprint of my own memory so to speak. As in most of what I'm imagining in my mind is all in the same style visually as to what I am familiar with in my daily life. It's hard to imagine a completely foreign concept on the spot.
I get you. The rocky hillside in the book, in my mind translates to the rocks along h river we clamber down to fish at the river. I sometimes assign faces and bodies and sounds of voice to people I know/knew in real life. And when I say "movie", I can't explain it fully. I cant SEE it, see it. But i can.
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I always heard how artists and directors, oh, they have the... *vision*. This great gift, and you can't learn it. All the director is so good at, baring practical details of making the film? He reads the screenplay, and can "see" the scene. Anyone that gets the "movie" in their head when they read, has this seemingly mythic ability.
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>>24847291
I made some dumb mistakes in that post:
*(which would be drastically reduced quality of the drawing from the mental image compared to the drawing from the real object).
If the drawing from the real object is better than the drawing from visualization then the belief that "I visualize things like real objects when I'm reading" seems false.

*I'm mildly interested.

and just for clarity's sake, the "claim" is that belief that "I can visualize what I read 'like real objects.'"
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>>24847693
I do this.

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>>24848956
Joycean. Great writing.

and yes I know all those feels
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What does love feel like?
I have never loved or been loved by somebody. I'm almost 29,
Books for this feel?
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>>24848962
Like bags of sand.
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The maid looked at my little dick.
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One of my posts was automatically flagged for mod review. I did mention some crazy stuff...


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