Why does this not get discussed nearly as often as the Bhagavad Gita or Iliad when it is superior to both?
We are all ears anon, enlighten us
>>23763903>when it is superior to both?If you have not read it in Persian then you cannot claim this.
>>23763903Because of its length and because introducing the 'masses' to too much Iranian culture would threaten the widespread notion that everything comes either from the Greeks or from Semites.
>>23763903Why are persians always so prissy and whiny?
>>23763903>posts the abridged/edited prose versionLarper.
>>23763903Does it discuss metaphysics too like the Bhagavad-Gita does? The Gita is not a mere fable but is deeply philosophical and metaphysical.
>>23764053The same reason anyone acts that way, an inferiority complex.Captcha: kkkrxn
>>23763903Now it might be superior poetically but it's much newer than either by more than a millennium, and comparing them only on literary merit makes no sense either. In any case, Arabic and Persian literature is much less accessible to readers because of a lack of translations in European languages. It might ironically have something to do with the fact that Persia has always been sovereign unlike India. People generally don't have much of an interest in something too far outside of their own culture, but Indians were able to export theirs to Europe exactly because they lost their independence. It would probably not get as much attention regardless, it's too long. The Masnavi is like 1600 pages too.
>>23763903It isn't better than The Iliad, maybe better or as good as Gita or The Odyssey.
>>23764031What have Persians contributed to the world?
>>23763903Not interested in posturing. Also, it's better to be viewed as repulsive and lowly like a "useless" tree than to be seen highly like a "useful tree," for the latter makes you an object of attention that is more likely to be exploited or turned into lumber. >>23764304>contributed to the worldThere is no such thing as "progress" or "contribution" in the way you think. Human beings were meant to live in non-industrial homogenous small-scale villages in connection with the land. Industrialization is destroying the world.The "metaphysics of progress" is the root of all disaster, and I blame Zoroastrianism to some extent too.All glory is transient and amounts to nothing.
>>23764080>Persia has always been sovereign unlike IndiaIndia was the center of Persian learning for centuries. It produced more poets, grammarians, and literary theorists than Iran ever did. In the 19th century, translations from Persian were very common and popular with the average reader. Virtually ever major classic was available in English, including the Shahnamah, precisely because Persian was the most important language in Mughal India. It ended when the British defacto eliminated the language, replacing it with vernaculars and English, so there was less need for Western translations and as a result less stuff got published. By the 50s, Persian was all but dead in India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. It was replaced with Russian in Central Asia and Chinese Muslims stopped learning it. So there was less and less interest in Persian and while India was happy to promote Sanskrit, the new Hindu Reich saw Persian as a foreign language and never invested or promoted it. The Chinese, Japanese, Arabs all promote their languages, but outside Iran and Tajikistan governments are more or less hostile to Persian so it gets less funding and less attention abroad.
Iranians are hilarious because they always talk about how great and ancient their culture is but when asked for details they cannot seem to indicate what exactly is so interesting about itIt's like they've all been completely mindbroken by the Iranian revolution
>>23764080>>23764855The core grievances that drive Iranian nationalists is that they have been victimized by Greek,Arab,Turkish,Mongol,Russian,and Western occupiers (and desu Iran has been thrown around for 1400 years). Secular Iranians obsessively hate Arabs because they associate Arabs/Arab conquest with Islam and the current regime (which is regularly referred to as an Arab occupation regime despite said regime discriminating against the Arab minority).The decline of Iranian influence can be traced to several things.1. The Mongol conquest which wiped out 80% of the population.2.The Safavid conversions that crippled Iran's influence.3. Western colonialism as you mentioned4. The current regime is framed around Iranian Shia expansionism and uses Shiism and "anti-imperialist" rhetoric to expand its sphere.They do use stuff like Cyrus and the Shahnameh to try and appeal to normie Iranians, but it doesn't work.Most secular Iranians (aka the new anti-regime generations) are very pro-West and dislike the 3rd world, so there is little chance of a Persian revival in places like Afghanistan,Iraq and Pakistan. There will never be a Persian counterpart to that shitty Ertugul show Erdogan promotes (and is loved by Muslim desis).
>>23763921>in Persian"Persian" is not a language
>>23765039Persian and Farsi are interchangeable just like Iran and Persia is. You're the kind of moron that doesn't know the country has been referred to Iran since the Sassanian empire.
>>23764304Nearly everything about Abrahamic religions that can be called spiritual.
>>23763903I've just read this!It's worse than both, but I actually really enjoyed it. I don't know why; it's really repetitive and circular, but still surprisingly enjoyable. I was disappointed that in just ended after the Arab conquest. I kinda wanted to know more about that from a contemporaryish account.
So apparently there are loads of Iranians on /lit/ - or, are they just generic third-worlders seething about Western superiority by trying to act as if there's any comparable civilisation?
>>23763903I liked it. It drags quite a bit and I wouldn't ever read it cover to cover again. I don't think it's better than the Iliad though
>>23765039Linguist here. I can only reply to your stupid statement with "LOL".
If you ask, at least discuss the warner translation which doesn't cut all the religious and mystical aspects to satisfy rastakhiz secular larping
>>23764364>Human beings were meant toOh? And how did we escape our own nature by our nature alone?
>>23764056>deeply philosophicalit was the goyslop of its time anon. The real philosophy was done in dialogue with the vedas and in the canons of buddhism.
>>23766885I always found it odd how Ferdowsi despised the Arab conquests/Arabs, yet was a Sunni Muslim who revered not just Muhammad, but the Rashidun caliphs that smashed old pre-Islamic Iran.If your average secular Iranian dissident wasn't a self-righteous retard, then the West and the Arab regimes would be flooding them with money and arms to topple the unpopular regime. Instead they beg for whatever scrappings neocons/counterjihad types and pro-Israel propagandists give them. The MEK cult are better at organizing than the monarchist/eranshahri larpers or their equally insufferable republicanist enemies.
>>23765027>>237669982nd gen diaspora retard here. Can you spoonfeed me anymore shit about this? My family are basically the exact type of self-righteous secular Iranians you describe.What makes the eranshahri larpers and republicanists so insufferable?Would a toppling of the regime by Western and Arab-backed forces even be a good thing?Any other thoughts you have or useful texts would be greatly appreciated.
>>23766998Ferdowsi didn't despise the Arabs at all. The Shahnamah is actually incomplete. He planned to continue the work covering the Rashidun caliphs up until the reign of his one time patron, Mahmud Ghaznawi but kicked the bucket before completing it. Ferdowsi frequently talks about reviving the Ajam with his work. Now, Ajam doesn't strictly mean "Persia" but the whole Persianate speaking literary world which included more than just modern day Iran i.e. he was basically trashing the Persian poets of his day and bragging, not making a nationalist statement about ethnic revival. This wouldn't have made sense anyway, because the idea of a Persian ethicity was pretty much invented by the Pahlavi dynasty, Persian nationalists often claim Ferdowsi singlehandedly revived the Persian language, when he was in fact writing in an already established genre with a long history and his style borrowed heavily from Arabic writers of his day. >>23765027The Mongol conquest actually spread the Persian language futher into China, where it remained an important language among Hui Muslims and diplomats. The disruption caused many Persian poets and literary scholars to migrate to India and Anatolia. Some of the greatest poets (Sadi, Hafiz etc) come from this time period and Sadi even celebrated the rule of Hulagu Khan for establishing relative peace and prosperity after decades of conflict. Early Safavid rule did isolate Iran for some time, causing a wave of Sunni and Shia scholars to flee to India and the Ottomans, but by the time the Safavids stabilized and abandoned their schizo religious ideology, Iran was well connected with the rest of the world. Muslim scholars in India and Central Asia knew about intellectual developments in Iran. The real reason the Safavids were a minor player in literature was because the best Iranian poets and writers often moved to Mughal India which was wealthier and hence they were more likely to score big money. Iranian rastakhiz nationalism along with Indian Hindu nationalism killed Persian as a world language. The Iranians wrote off anything written outside of Iran as sabk e hindi garbage (with some exceptions here and there) while the Indians see it as a foreign Muslim language they want nothing to do with and post-Soviet Turkish nationalists in Central Asia are much the same.
>>23767035I regularly follow Iranian dissident stuff on social media out of curiosity. They remind me of the shitshow that is the Russian opposition. It isn't hard to critique Islam, but their nationalist mythology is hotep tier shit about Cyrus being a feminist human rights guy, and the obsession they have with portaying themselves as victimized by the Arabs for 1400 years (even when the Arab colonists were kicked out in the 900s) demeans themselves. Ironically the gulf states have funded the opposition (saudi runs Iran international and bankrolled Pahlavi in the 80s according to Kenneth Timmerman) The big factions are thismonarchists: Iranian equivalent to MAGA cultists in that worship the crown prince and want crush all the liberals and leftists. Very low IQ and feeble minded. You can see them shilling hard for Bibi and Trump on Twitter.Eranshahri: secular/neopagan ultranats who are often intertwined with monarchists, but the non-monarchist ones tend to be intelligent.liberal republicanists: They are pro-secular republic and reject the Pahlavi cult but many of them are egoistical grifters (Masih Alinejad outright renamed herself from Massoumeh to Jesus aka masih, and Vahid behesti pretended to hunger strike).Leftists and separatists (smallest faction)Continue in next post.
>>23767035NTA what's distrubing about Iranian secularists (in fact MENA secularists generally) is the way they defend a pretty horrific political system that in many ways was worse than the revolution that toppled it. Persian nationalists in general have very delusional beliefs about the past that are really cringy (e.g. claiming Cyrus the Great invented human rights). There's the way they defend the bizzare cult of personality built by the Pahlavis despite the fact they were basically incompetant and almost universally hated. I mean, at least Mao and Stalin had credible successes to their name. The Pahlavi Rastakhiz ideology was basically fascism (arguably so is Kemalism and Ba'athism). What's disturbing is the really sick nostalgia culture where they idealize life before the Revolution. I mean, Iran in the 70s was the kind of place where student council members were thrown in prison and tortured for criticizing the lunch options of the university cafeteria. Ultimately, the biggest irony is that secular MENA nationalists are Europeanizers. They hate local culture with a passion and want to Westernize. They have brown skin but desperately want to be seen as white and think if they get rid of the Islamic Arab stuff they can become just another European country. Its so laughably pathetic. The diaspora secular nationalists are in Ahmad Chalabi mode, trying to ride the coatails of empire to get back in power, but their actual political behavior is pretty pathetic, narcisstic, and mostly impotent. Until recently, the most popular dissidents in Iran were all Green movement types and the diaspora secular nationalists had little real influence on the ground.>useful textsBobby Sayyid's book Fundamental Fear (which is mostly about Islamism) does have some chapters that outline the Kemalist-Pahlavi ideology and its psychology. I'd also recommend the book A Critical Introduction to Khomeini, which has some great articles on pre-Revolution Iran and Pahlavi rule and why it fell. There's a lot of historical literature on "authoritarian modernizers" in MENA.
>>23766982> it was the goyslop of its time anon. T. a complete pseud>The real philosophy was done in dialogue with the vedas and in the canons of buddhism.And the Bhagavad-Gita is beautifully summarizing and condensing the metaphysical doctrines of the Vedas and Upanishads
>>23767170>>23767035Much like how tankies take pro-IR/Russia stances to spite western elites, many Iranian dissidents take fanatically pro-Israel/pro-Western neocon stances to spite the current government when even Zionists like Macron are criticizing Israel's conduct. The monarchist/eranshahri movement are obsessed with aligning it with the populist right instead of doing the bipartisan route the Israel lobby does, and their anti-Arab rhetoric alienate Arabs who resent regime meddling in the region, and anti-Muslim rhetoric can alienate demographics in Iran who hate the regime but are Muslim (like Balochis).The main fighting in the opposition is the monarchist/eranshahri vs the liberals. The monarchists are low-IQ retards (boosted by bots) who seek to silence any opposition to the crown prince through harassment and spam, even though many of their liberal enemies tend to share their views (such as Masih and Vahid being pro-Israel). They even attack dissidents locked up by the regime: they initially justified Toomaj rapper's death sentence because his parents are leftists, they accuse Narges Mohammadi of being an informant, and Ali Karimi and others attacked the family of Nika who was raped and murdered by the regime).
I hate the word regime. Stop using that propagandistic term.
>>23767203>>23767183>>23767170>>23767035last post:I think if the monarchist movement was crushed and the Iranian opposition prioritized a popular alliance and moderated their rhetoric, the Western and Arab elites will be more open to sponsoring replacing the regime with a democracy (this isn't the cold war, the western elites believe regimes with democratic practices are more stable than proper dictatorships). Instead what you get are monarchists simping for a president who banned them from immigrating to the West, threatened to destroy their cultural sites, and said Iran should be nuked if the regime succeeded in killing him.>>23767183In their defense, even anti shah dissidents like Abrahamian say the current regime is far worse so I don't blame the nostalgia. But secular strongment in the Muslim world almost always sow the seeds of their downfall. Even if Saddam wasn't invaded, Iraq would've collapsed because his misrule discredited Baathist secularism.The reformist movements (like the green movement) attempt to liberalize Iran were crushed by the regime and Trump killing the deal which is why you have all these retards online screeching about how Jimmy Carter is Satan (when the Shah's own mistakes crippled secular dissidents like Bakhtiar and empowered the Islamists) and that the mullahs are "arab occupiers".
>>23767218>>23767183Do you think Kemalism was a mistake? When we say Kemalism, does that include the recreation of Turkey as a nationalist, secular state by Ataturk?
>>23767228I am not >>23767183Kemalism wasn't a mistake as a concept. Turkey needed to secularize and modernize. The racial theories are stupid (like the Sun Language theory). Banning non Western attire like the fez is stupid (Reza Shah copied that idea too). Ataturk's attempts to smash Kurdish culture are what kicked off the Kurdish struggle. However Kemalism/Arab secular nationalism doesn't go hotep level like Iranian nationalism.Latinizing the Turkish language is defensible (the new script worked better with how the masses spoke). Curtailing the clerics was good, and outside banning the Arabic adhan, Ataturk didn't attempt to ban veiling (his successors did), whereas Reza Shah's ban on veiling ended up giving meat to the Islamists.Many of Turkey's modernizations were done by his predecessors though (like the Young Turks, or the Ottoman tanzimat)
Are there unironic zoroastrian neopagan chuds among iranians?
>>23767252They do exist but are overrepresented online. Most Iranians who become ex-Shia are either atheist/agnostic or Christian.Some of them do practice the faith (the dalaygiz account on Twitter is a nice recommendation) but most are ultranats who latch onto the aesthetics to attack the regime and Arabs/Muslims.
>>23767218>even anti shah dissidents like Abrahamian say the current regime is far worseAbrahamian is a tankie and he spent most of his life outside Iran before becoming an exile and he's not stepped foot in the country since. His books are notorious for being short of primary source references and making random stuff up. Is the current regime worse? Depends on your perspective, but what is undeniable is that life improved for the vast majority of ordinary Iranians after the revolution. The 80s and 90s saw the rise of a new middle class, greater access to healthcare and education, and this new middle class that are now the forefront of both the reformist movement and Iran's current dissident scene.Iran seems to be going down the same path as the USSR. The most important "dissidents" in the Soviet bloc weren't anti-communist liberals, but other socialists who disagreed with where the party was taking things. The Soviets spent so much time crushing their fellow leftists that it meant only the anti-commie neolibs and neocons were left and they proceeded to destroy Russia in the 90s. Iran spends more time suppressing other Islamic movements and that it kills the whole point of an Islamic republic and this could inevitably be their downfall. Iran would have been a much stronger had the Green Movement succeeded. >>23767228I'd say Enlightenment modernity is a failure and attempts at replicating Western society in the Middle East has been a disaster. Its caused sectarianism, bloody ethnic conflict, genocide, destroyed local industry, and subjected people to brutal rule where they are powerless before the state and exist only to be juiced for their economic value. It destroyed the existing literary and spiritual culture and that has been a catastrophic irreperable loss. Wael Hallaq has much better arguments on this than me, but I'd say it was a disaster from a moral and ethical standpoint. It was also brutal. Ataturk shelled his own people with a battleship, massacred them, the Turkish state carried out a genocide, the Pahlavis massacred whole tribes, and today Bashar al Assad tortures kids and drops chemical weapons on residential areas. The kemalist politics of the "authoritarian modernizers" is indefensible. Its so stunningly cruel.
>>23767333> and drops chemical weapons on residential areas.Fake news that has repeatedly been debunked by real journalists like Aaron Mate at The Grayzonehttps://thegrayzone.com/category/opcw-douma/
>>23767192As to the first point, I suggest you study the historical significance of the Mahabharata and the puranas. They were in simple Sanskrit for a reason. As to the second point, I fail to see how a deliberately self-contradicting series of moralisms, justifying itself with each iteration with 'but the TRULY wise one ignores [the previous doctrine] but instead follows [the subsequent doctrine]. The Bhagavat Gita, in its narrative position within the Mahabharata, is truly a beautiful moment of tragic indecision, and the divine guidance is poetic in how unconvinced Arjuna is by it. As philosophy, though? I'd look somewhere else, unless I only wish to masturbate in the monotony of religious platitudes.
>>23767389> As to the first point, I suggest you study the historical significance of the Mahabharata and the puranas. They were in simple Sanskrit for a reasonJust because something isn’t written in a highly refined language doesn’t mean that it’s goyslop (i.e. cheap unintellectual entertainment), that is a false dichotomy.> As to the second point, I fail to see how a deliberately self-contradicting series of moralisms, 1) They aren’t moralisms, morality barely plays any role in the Bhagavad-Gita and is only talking about sparingly2) The statements of the Gita aren’t contradictory, at times Krishna merely switches between talking about spirituality in general versus what is the path specified for Arjuna specifically, who is a Kshatriya, who are not supposed to follow the same method as e.g. Brahmins.>justifying itself with each iteration with 'but the TRULY wise one ignores [the previous doctrine] but instead follows [the subsequent doctrine]. This is a lie, the Gita never says anywhere to ignore something that it previously said.That whole post is just further confirmation you are a pseud, if you don’t understand something you should just stop posting about it instead of doubling down on your ignorance.
>>23767333I don't consider the last shah to be a bad man but very arrogant and up in the clouds. I don't like his father, but Reza Khan earned his right to power. Mohammed Reza relied heavily on his advisors, pandered to clerics and bazaaris, sidelined those who offered dissent and critique and thus broke his echo chamber, and let his government be dominated by corrupt tools who only got seats because of them being related to the Qajar aristocrats.Khomeini pushed a lot of populist reforms secular dissidents would've also done, but he also smashed organized labour and massacred more than Mohammed Reza. Isolating Iran in favor of building a Shia autarkic empire has fucked up its economic growth and has allowed the IRGC to cannibalize the economy, so I get why a lot of Iranians overlook the mismanagment of the old days.Imo, had most Muslim countries adapted American style secular democracy (with secularism being strong but not laicist tyranny), secularism wouldn't have been discredited in the Muslim world as it was in our timeline.Even if said secular democracies were fucked up by imperialism or inner strife it would be harder to discredit secularism if mixed with democracy. It wouldn't be associated with failed dictators and Islamists would struggle to offer a popular alternative (even today Islamists often use democratic rhetoric to appeal to the masses). Kemalism and the Soviets did succeed in modernizing, but the obsession with emulating them in general has been a curse in the Muslim world.
>>23763913The story of Haftvad's Worm. There's your Dune story. You can also think of the semiconductors and Taiwan in the same way.
>>23767333>Wael HallaqAny book recommendations? I'd really like to know more
>>23767333>Bashar al Assad tortures kids and drops chemical weapons on residential areasBullshit. Only Jews peddle such lies. Verily, Kourosh made a mistake freeing such vermin from Babylonian captivity.Also, kys. You sound like a FED with your obsession towards Iran's domestic affairs.
This thread was about Shahnameh, yet J*we and dysgenic zoomie Westerners derailed it into becoming about Iranian politics and turning it into a dick measuring contest. Soon there might even be haploautism.Childhood is hating Arabs, adulthood is hating Jews, elderhood is hating Westerners, and transcendence is hating all of humanity. Idpol is ruining practically all discourse about other non-Western cultures.>>23766998The intricate internal affairs of a country you have no ancestral ties to is not your business. You sound like a FED with your obsession towards Iran and deciding what's best for it. I doubt you have even set a foot in the country. I would rather you just call Iranians Arabs in denial and direct your attention elsewhere. In fact, I would prefer all mention of Iran to be a bannable offense at this point. Being a part of your narratives is more painful than being nuked in all sincerity.>>23766427It sounds like to me you're the one seething that not everyone views you Jew worshipers as superior. It doesn't matter how pompous you are, the traditional soul of your culture simply does not impress me.Moreover, a truly superior people would not open borders to people like me, so focus on your own issues. I am not a cuckhold the way the much of the modern East has become towards your kind.
>>23767741>Moreover, a truly superior people would not open borders to people like me, so focus on your own issues.Kek. I love sub-humans like you: keep trucking, King.
>>23767961You are the subhuman, not me. Go back to worshiping Jew prepuce or something. I want nothing to do with you. Also, fyi, Zoroastrians slaughtered more Christians than Muslims did in the entirety of their history. Persians were never your friends.Slit your throat and eat shit in hell.
>>23767482The Shah was a guy who used funds from a chartible organization to buy a casino, personally signed off on torture, and used his authority to confiscate the property of wealthy citizens for his own gain, not to mention throwing a huge narcissist party while the average Iranian struggled. His father was highly incompetant and installed in a coup organized by a British general. Pro-Pahlavi apologists argue Reza Khan was a great modernizer, but his development projects were useless. Instead of building Iran's first railway where it mattered (the commercial port towns on the gulf coast) he built an utterly useless vanity line connecting Tehran to Mahmudabad. He wasn't any better than a tinpot African dictator. >had most Muslim countries adapted American style secular democracy (with secularism being strong but not laicist tyranny), secularism wouldn't have been discredited in the Muslim worldThere's a common assumption among liberal minded people that things like secualrism are a net good and signal modernity and modernization, but there's no reason for anyone to think that way. There's a lot of evidence that secularism is a failure, or at least that it doesn't work the way ordinary people assume it does. You can also make the argument, as many Islamists no doubt have, that secularism isn't necessary for modernization. America is a country that all but declared war on a world religion after 9/11, tortured and imprisoned people based on their religious affiliations, and meddles in the personal lives of its citiznes. And before that it was blacklisting people based on suspicons of their beliefs (McCarthyism), assassinating its own citizens etc. Hallaq makes an argument that secularism is itself a kind of theology imposed from above. But unlike religious theologies, secularism has contributed to environmental catastrophe by promoting a worldview where nature is lifeless, nothing is sacred etc including human life which is rendered an expendable resource. Secularism isn't the squeaky clean thing its made out to be and has pretty much discredited itself. Another point is, why is modernization desirable in the first place? Its led to genocide, ecological disaster, a pandemic of lonliness and depresssion, and brought humanity to the brink of nuclear annihilation. What does modernization even mean? Iran is an Islamist state, but it has sophisticated aerospace technologies, manufactures its own cars etc. If anything, the impulse to modernize and be modern is something humanity needs to seriously question. Often "modern" just means imposing arbitrary cultural values on people without considering their livelihoods. Post-development theorists have done some good work on this.>>23767664You can find his talks on YouTube. His books are jargon heavy but the two big ones are The Impossible State and Reinstating Orientalism.
>>23767192ngl the bhagavad gita is somewhat overrated. The bhagavad gita is a great intro text to hinduism , but to use it as a measuring stick seems unfair when there are other Hindu texts that summarize core ideas that are also more complex. Imo the ashtavakra gita is a better measuring stick
>>23767482>>23768165Both of you need to stop shitting up this thread. Imagine if each time French literature is brought up, someone derails the topic over their half assed political opinions?
>>23766998>yet was a Sunni Muslim who revered not just Muhammad, but the Rashidun caliphs that smashed old pre-Islamic Iran.What are you smoking? He was a shia muslim. He declared himself a follower of Ali in the preface of the shahnameh and all his biographers pointed out his shi'ism. He also laments the fall of the sassanids at the end.
>larping paki says a bunch of bullshit and claims to be an expert on all things iran and no one calls him out>constant whining about iranian "nationalism"Yikes
>>23768165>>23767741>>23767482>>23767333>>23767218>>23767203>>23767183>>23767170>>23767104>SAAAR WE'RE ALL BROWN MUSLIM BROTHERS PLEASE STOP LOOKING TO THE WEST>PLEASE TEAM UP WITH THE ARABS Kek.
>>23768497>>23768511I have light skin, and I am ancestrally Iranian and want nothing to do with pompous Euroshit Christcucks or Muslim Arabs. Both of you disgust me. Both of you have more in common with each other than you'd like to admit.Anyways, kys. Even in Pre-Islamic times, Iran(shahr) was never allies with the West. Read about Kerdir for example.I would prefer Buddhism or an Eastern tradition to spread into Iran rather than for Euroshits to cause even more damage.I sympathize with Euroshit ethnonationalism because I would prefer you were contained to yourselves fyi.In fact, I wouldn't even mind if Advaita spreads.I am not against Iran being Sinicized or Indianized to some extent. Anything to be more distanced from Judaized Euroshits or Mudslime Bedouins.
>>23768165Thanks for the recommendations
>>23764364>There is no such thing as "progress" or "contribution" in the way you think.WORDCEL ALERTWORDCEL ALERTHIT THE WORDCEL BUTTON
>>23768165>genocideCareful there with the trans-normative tropes.
>>23769546Did I just invent "trans-normative"? I'll google.YES! I used it in a cultural skeptical fashion.I AM A TREND SETTER. SCREENSHOT THIS!!!For the Dictionaryist:trans-normative is a scheme of beliefs which is held in common of the coalition of pseudo-malcontents who paradoxically possess cultural power. Their beliefs are held as trendy, and special. Others have said they are the beliefs of Coca~Cola and Johnson & Johnson. The affectation can go on forever, because it is a fundamentally false self (trans) and thus cannot hold to the center of nature (roles which subsist in the four causes).
>>23764304Chicken with pomegranate gravy
>>23764031Persians and Arabs are semites, and Zoroastrianism existed long before the religion of Moses was founded. The Phoenicians were semitic as well, and the predecessors of the Hellens.
>>23764059>inferiority complexExplains why followers of jidaism behave and think as they do
>>23766361This.” Abraham” was not a person, but an idea ; it was a protagonist of bizarre factious writings.
>>23768528>I've got light skin
>>23769747Persians are not Semites.Neither are Greeks.They are IE people who ruled and oppressed Semites.I admit that they mixed later with those oppressed Semites but Greek and Persian thought proper is not Semitic.
>>23769747There's almost no Semitic DNA in Iran, what Semitic DNA is there is mapped to the small population of Arabs. This idea that Persians are "mixed" with Arabs or any other Semite is some retarded /pol/ larp that's never made sense.Persians are a mix of steppe Aryans (who didn't look like Northern Europeans either) and Elamites, and Elamites aren't Semites either.>>23764304Had a ton of influence on Judaism during the Persian period, all of which went straight to Christianity (Persians are the source of ideas like Heaven, Hell, the Day of Judgment, etc.) also had a ton of influence on Islam both through this, directly (purification rituals for example were inspired directly by Zoroastianism) and then later on Islamic esoterism (Persians make up a huge share of notable Islamic scholars and Sufis despite being a fraction of the Muslim world).Persians also were the first to use heavily armored cavalry, so they had a significant influence on what later led to the European knight. Plenty of other things, they're one of the oldest continuous cultures on earth and are situated right in the center of the old world. Tons of influence in every direction.>>23766998The end of the Sassanid dynasty prior to the Arab Conquest was extremely corrupt and basically a shadow of its former self. You don't get conquered by a foreign people or a foreign ideology or religion because you're doing well and at the peak of your development. Same applies to European paganism getting swept by Christianity. If paganism was better than Christianity, this obviously wouldn't have happened. Same goes for Sassanid Persia and the Arabs. Any disagreement is copes.>>23767252Yeah of course, same as cringe pagan Europeans. The loud Iranian ones though are going to generally be larping Westerners who's actual lives don't resemble what they preach at all, just like most Westerners in general. They want to ignore the last many hundreds of years of Islamic Persia because they don't really have much knowledge of it at all, this despite the fact that most great Persian men in history were Muslims and lived during this period. Again, same goes for Europeans and their Christian history, when really the Middle Ages was their best period, not the pre-Christian era.
>>23768528>I have light skinlmao
>>23771458>>23770315>>23770315>>Persians are not Semites.it's time to accept the truth>>>/his/17038372
>>23771467>Akkadian
>>23771458Stfu and kys.
>>23770292>>23771465It's too preempt the obsessed idpol response of garbage like you. Kill yourselves.
>>23770315Kys and eat shit in hell.
>>23772961Let me guess, secular cringe larping Western Iranian? Stay in the West then, the East has no need for spiritual and mental whores like you
>>23764031>the GreeksHahaha, no retard.
>>23773069 I dislike secularism, humanism, identity politics, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, "metaphysics of progress", egalitarianism, industrialization, communism, capitalism, democracy, gynocentrism, mass migration, multiculturalism, imperialism, lack of self-sufficiency, and so on.
>>23773157You hate life gotcha.
>>23772967>>23772963>>23772961Why are browns so angry?
>man conceives the world as a sea, where from the fierce wind has stirred up waves.>Thereon are seventy ships afloat, all with sails set,>And amongst them one vessel, fair as a bride, decked with colour like the eye of the cock,>Wherein are the Prophet and 'Ali, with all the Family of the Prophet and his Vicar.>If thou desirest Paradise in the other World, take thy place by the Prophet and his Trustee>If ill accrues to thee thereby, it is my fault : know this, that this way is, my way.>In this I was born, and in this I will pass away; know for a surety that I am as dust at feet of 'AliIt's bizarre that some people think he was anything but a shi'ite
>>23769747Persians aren't semites, retard>>23765039Retard gorilla nigger
>>23764224>>23763903You nigs haven't read the Gita. If you had you'd know that it is only one part of a far larger story. It is the equivalent of just one random book of the Illiad and not reading all the rest.
>>23772963>rants about persian identity, being light skinned, racist /pol/ tier shit>whines about idpol >>23763903The Gita is more known because its promoted by religious communities, literary people, and unhinged Hindutva nationalists. The Shahnamah was hijacked by Persoid nationalists who purified it of its Islamic and mystical content to turn it into an anti-Turkish anti-Arab nationalist book. Becuase of this, the Shahnamah, which was the literary epic in all three Islamic Gunpowder empires, died and people outside of Iran stopped reading it and dumped it for other books. Sort of how Judaism isn't considered a universal religion anymore because Zionist and Nazi faggots made it a racial thing.
>>23773977Blue fur gorilla with blue eyes
>>23774156>Sort of how Judaism isn't considered a universal religion anymore because Zionist and Nazi faggots made it a racial thing.???
>>23769747Persians are Indo-Europeans. Nothing about the Pre-Greek Substrate and Hattic indicate those two were Semitic either.
>>23773637Nope, I'm affirmative of life.>>23773642Then don't respond. Direct your attention elsewhere. The real angry ones are garbage like you.Go fetishize the Japanese instead.>>23774156Both Abrahamism and Mazdaeism were never truly universal. One truly universal tradition is Buddhism.>>23774930Modern population genetics has deconstructed both the Semite and IE options. Stop sullying everything with idpol. I am tired of it. It overstays its welcome.
>>23773157What exactly is your obscure issue with what I said then? I'm not fluent in autist
