>>23987613
No. But I will bump cause it's going to turn into politics real soon.

Why would I give a fuck what Trump sucking sycophantic grifter has to say?

>>23987623
Kek. Not even a minute in.

>>23987622
Considering all his writing and "philosophy" is just for the sake of him demanding regime change in Iran there's a good reason why most discussion about him is political instead of intellectual. He's a charlatan and it's abundantly clear to anyone who isn't a zog sock puppet.

>>23987632
I'm no fan of him and you're right but kek man these threads get funny quickly especially that same retarded copypasta anon that will surely come when any criticism is made of jordan peterson

read a review, book sounds like it'd be boring to actually read but has many hilarious petersonisms:

'Internet pornography, we are told, “has turned young men into online sex addicts pathetically mating with Tinkerbell, the porn fairy”. (Peterson’s campaign against porn stars, “the modern whores of Babylon” vaunting their “delectable but untouchable succubus delights” is a diverting sub-theme of the book).'

>>23987613
Isn't his family in shambles? Daughter divorced, grandchild in a broken home, wife hates him, son avoids him. Sounds like a total train wreck, why do people listen to someone like that?

>>23987659
>wife hates him
Qrd?

>>23987645
>Internet pornography, we are told, “has turned young men into online sex addicts pathetically mating with Tinkerbell, the porn fairy
I don't like the guy, but he isn't wrong here.

>>23987613
His public statements on religion have made it abundantly clear that it isn’t worth my time. He ideas are either too convoluted or too vague, and he’s also too cowardly to stake any meaningful position on the question of God. It’s ironic that he goes so hard on the “postmodern neomarxists” when his own incoherent cultural/secular Christianity is the epitome of the post-modern theological turn.

>>23987731
Honestly it feels like he's heard about postmodernism from twitter-level memes and is discovering postmodernist takes through his own hot-headed attempts to think a question through.

Merit. Merit. SO MUCH MERIT!!!
Merit. Merit. SO MUCH MERIT!!!
Merit. Merit. SO MUCH MERIT!!!

Doesn’t his daughter have herpes? A case she caught from Andrew Tate?

What a father…

>>23987613
Does he finally says if he’s a believer or not?
Every time he’s been asked the question is responses sounds like he is trying to hit a number of words in a school essays in a class he skipped to take drugs

>>23987748
Difference between believer and knower
Believers mumble about while knower's simply..know the One

>>23987743
He’s making the tenuous secular argument that religion is necessary for society to function, irrespective of whether the bible or other holy texts are “true” or not. This is an explicitly postmodern idea.

Also note his debate style:

>”did the virgin birth literally happen?”
>”what do you mean by literally?”

Anyone who isn’t being dishonest knows exactly what that question means. Yet Peterson obfuscates by answering questions with further questions. Classic pomo tactic of introducing doubt and uncertainty into what should be a clear cut yes/no answer.

downloaded it, didn't listen, is it good

>>23987791
downloadn't, listened not, no idea

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>clinical psychologist who spent decades personally helping hundreds of people severely afflicted by mental illness
>academic who published dozens of widely cited papers ranging in subjects varying from practical counseling, historical/philosophical roots of psychology, research paradigms in neurology...
>research scientist working on the operationalization of personality constructs as well as the neurobiological basis of addiction
>university professor who mentored dozens of grad students into academic, research, and counseling careers
>assisted in the development of software that increases the likelihood of at-risk students reaching graduation as a side project
>accidentally became internationally famous and ended up publishing 2 best selling books (so far) as well as organizing lectures in various countries throughout the world
inb4
>he's a drug addict tho!
>his office was messy once!
>er...you don't have a dad!
>er...wash your dick!
>his daughter is a slut!
>y-you're Jordan
>he likes the Jews!
>he's controlled opposition!
Still triggering trannies who don't like the truth, libtards who propagandize, racists he won't associate with, and pseuds who can't tell the difference between a media personality and real life

Note: this will have to be updated in the near future to indicate his 3rd internationally bestselling book. Keep losing, faggots ;)

>>23987613
One does not wrestle with God what an idiot

>>23987645
>Peterson’s campaign against porn stars, “the modern whores of Babylon” vaunting their “delectable but untouchable succubus delights” is a diverting sub-theme of the book).

Wow, he's actually right for once. I guess even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.

>>23987864
He probably means wrestling with faith

>>23987878
He's probably an idol (word) worshiping idiot who thinks his being is contained in divine language and the stories they weave
If he had an inkling he wouldn't be speaking about stories and archetypes, he'd be speaking about the source of it all

>>23987881
He is probably an atheist/agnostic who only thinks religion is important to keep the masses in line and to give a unified culture.

>>23987731
This. Dude is very much the embodiment of the very post-modernism he rails against, like much of the nu-right.

>>23987864
Obviously he's making a reference to Israel (formerly Jacob)

>>23987748
if he hadn't had his brain cells atrophied by le culture war and drugz he would probably have really liked plato and neoplatonism, and maybe he could even have introduced a new crowd to it, but he seems too fried to do it now.

anyhow, le ebin culture war members would just end up reducing it down to "bro, loot how hard i am asooonding! i'm gonna asooond. this makes me based and trad and based trad trump is le philosopher king!"

I hate to say it, but Trump has sort of become a litmus test for conservative intellectuals. Some are willing to tank their audience by admitting he is a retarded demagogue. The rest either lack the courage of their convictions or are actually also retarded. I feel like Peterson started in the latter crowd and has spiraled into the second.

>>23987914
You lost and Trump won the popular vote. Cope.

>>23987914
>Words words words
>Words words
>Words
>Words words words words
The depths this stupidity has stirred will tremble the cosmos

>>23987859
Could you glaze this public “”intellectual”” any harder? Reminder that a parasocial obsession with Peterson’s achievements is not a surrogate for having an actual father figure.

>>23987922
Eat shit bully flies can’t be wrong

>>23987613
Reminder that he's a mediocre psychology professor with no achievements uncommon for mediocre psychology professor (beside being famous).
You can find dozens of better psychologist in any university near you.
>inb4 but he talks about philosophy
He doesn't understand philosophy, which is why Žižek destroyed him with ease.
If you're learning about Nietzsche or postmodernism through his videos, I feel bad for you.

>>23987922
>The plebs aren't retarded, if they vote for someone they are a good leader!
No. Democracy is rule by the idiot mob.

>>23987659
Yes, but at least his pockets are lined by "those who wrestle with god"
>>23987864
>>23987878
t. hasn't been paying attention

>>23987896
It's not even about a unified culture. We already had that, they banned writing, and for excellent reason. Then ages passed, we either forgot why we banned it, or out of necessity from a rising complexity that diluted the stories we held dearest, we finally succumbed to written words. Within those stories, endless warning of idolatry and the danger of symbols.
And now, how surprising, we are subsumed in a global monoculture that defies symbols.
The pendulum will swing. When it does, we will all see language for what it is, a hollow representation of meaningless figments, a useful tool, but nothing more.
Until then, these worthless celebrities are the manifestation of the escape of the fear of what it is we fear most, responsibility. Ask JBP or DJT to answer life for you, but soon, there will be nowhere left to turn but within

The cracks are already there. It's not even coming, it's actively happening, building momentum and with every passing moment accelerating

>>23987645
>Internet pornography, we are told, “has turned young men into online sex addicts pathetically mating with Tinkerbell, the porn fairy”. (Peterson’s campaign against porn stars, “the modern whores of Babylon” vaunting their “delectable but untouchable succubus delights” is a diverting sub-theme of the book).'

Sounds accurate to me.

>>23987613
What happened to this man? I watched his videos in the early days talking about how people should recognize that if they lived in 1930s Germany they'd be Nazis too. And then he goes and becomes a mouthpiece for the Israeli government justifying their genocide. I wish I were exaggerating, he has several interviews every year with Israeli government and intelligence officials. He went from talking about free speech to joining mainstream media. Why do his fans think he has any credibility after this?

>>23987949
Money is your god, another symbol for you to cling to. A man will come to eat every dollar in existence with nothing but a pencil and will let them rot to sand as we're left to reckon with the depths of foolishness we let to stir the depths themselves
The more we turn to these symbols for meaning, the more power we give them, the more power he will have when he occupies every symbolic position of respect and authority that has ever been constructed, and will leave in its place a mirror, for all to contend with what they have denied

>>23987613
Juden Peterstein?

>>23987963
He got addicted to self prescribed pain killers, and instead of prayer and action, he used some psychotic Russian coma trick to try to get off the addiction, like a pussy, and was left a rotting vegetable
It seems he's found some degree of recovery

>>23987976
So you would say that he was sincere before and only became the way he is because of his brain damage?

>>23987989
Meaningless the lot of it. The boats of fomo will sink and all will be left stranded in a vast ocean surrounded by darkness. But there will be a lighthouse, calling far in the distance, for some saw the holes in the bows long before the others were willing to admit the inevitable sinking, and drifted alone to the shores of the future

>>23987976
>Peterson: hardcore drug addict
>Limbaugh: hardcore drug addict
>O'Reilly: sex pervert who called up female staff while he dildoed himself with a vibrator
>McMahon: sex pervert with BBC and scat fetish
>Trump: at the very least serial adulterer with gross porn stars but probably an Epstein co-diddler
>Gaetz: hardcore drugs and underaged prosties
>Numerous big Evangelical preachers: hardcore drugs and gay sex
>Hegseth: by his own admission at least an adulterer who gets smashed drunk on work trips at middle age, allegedly a rapist
>Gingrich: serial adulterer
>Musk: drug addict and serial fornicator, also an absentee father whose kids are all fucked up
>Tucker: to be honest, the extremely hardcore anti-Ukraine shtick, even using the bizarre slave killing super virus biolabs story, using Kremlin versions of US leaks, claiming US forces are fighting on the front line, and risking his huge golden parachute to keep doing pro-Russia stories makes me think they got him on a CP or diddling honeypot, also doesn't believe what he says based on his texts
Etc., etc., etc.

Do they ever wonder if the reason society is shit isn't just the left but that they as conservative luminaries are top tier degens? Or are they just in it for the grift?

Where is our Augustus conservatives? You know, actually competent and not degenerates.

>>23987976
not painkillers/opians, he got addicted to benzos because he was really anxious and nervous

>>23988013
what about massie and rand paul?

>>23988013
Everywhere you look, there you are. Soon there will be only once place left to gaze

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>>23987936
Peterson will touch a nerve by simply pointing out something that is blatantly ignored in the way an ideological group frames an issue. He exposes ideological blind spots in a simple and straightforward way; this leads to the fellow travelers of whichever idea is being discussed having a breakdown and exposing themselves. He's valuable as a media personality if even for that reason alone.

>Peterson: it would be productive to involve men in the conversation about violence against women in a way that doesn't label masculinity as inherently negative
>Libtard: so you're saying in order to make men care about rape women have to be returned to the status of men's property
>Peterson: the rise of identitarianism is linked to reactionary politics that sublimate personal resentment into collectivistic extremism
>Chud: so you're saying white people don't have group interests and therefore shouldn't exist
>Peterson: transgender ideology specifically targets a group of people likely to be confused and open to mental pathologies via social contagion--we shouldn't give hormones to children let alone surgically mutilate minors
>Tranny: so you're literal nazi saying we're a disease and we should be exterminated like one
>Peterson: anonymity increases the likelihood of pathological behavior so perhaps one way to alleviate the negative repercussions of its overall influence would be to segregate accounts on these specific widely used social media websites--it's definitely better than secret and selective control of the public narrative as it exists now
>/pol/tard: so you're saying you want everyone everywhere to be tied to whatever they say and do at all times...I'm a freedom fighter [goes to another thread to post about AOC's asshole while writing "nig*er" 50 times]

>>23987731
Interesting how he aligns with Dawkins who also calls himself secular Christian nowadays.
New atheists ended up being le based father figure for cringe millennials while Peterson is the same thing for zoomers. Both loath postmodernism, both align with conservative (even if of different denominations)

>>23987876
Yea and the name of that nuts is Peterson.

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>>23988031
Reminder that the autists stimming themselves by repeating the same nonsensical vitriol about Peterson, thread after thread for year after year, are pathetic ideologues and resentful idiots. His best feature is that he gets them to out themselves as such.

>libtard /lit/
Seethes that Peterson turns them into reactionaries by pointing out their bullshit.
>pseud /lit/
Thinks cynically dunking on mass media meant for a general audience is a sign of intelligence.
>chud /lit/
Thinks he's part of a Jewish conspiracy preventing them from having sex.
>tranny /lit/
Thinks he's a "literal nazi."

>>23988026
/pol/ living rent free

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>>23987976
Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. At the time it was being handed out like candy for pretty much anything because it was seen as harmless (you can easily find celebrities on late night talk shows joking about taking them). It is now rarely prescribed due to the fact it creates physical dependancy even at low doses over short periods of time and causes extreme withdrawal symptoms (up to and including death). Having an adverse reaction to a prescribed drug doesn't make someone a drug addict. There is no evidence he abused the medication (i.e. his experience became so common that the drug is hardly prescribed now).

When he initially sought treatment in Canada they wanted to give him SSRIs and misdiagnosed him. He took the initiative to research treatment options and went to Russia where a programme specifically developed for medication withdraw was available.

Immediately after his treatment he finished and published his second worldwide bestselling book. Within months he had organized and gone on an international lecture tour. He also published multiple articles and made some media appearances. He has also set up an accredited online university that will offer free degrees, organized a think tank to combat the hegemony of shit like the WEF, created an online interview series with hundreds of episodes etc...

The narrative that there was a character defining downward spiral into drug addiction is doesn't bare up to reality. I'm honestly embaressed so many people have been holding onto it for half a decade now. Imagine being so pathetically delusional that you parrot the same easily disproved ad homs in an autistic echo chamber for years on end thinking they land; in that time Peterson has gone on to much success.

>>23988036
>/pol/ living rent free
In their parents basement, lol.

>>23988037
HE IS A PSYCHIATRIST
HE CANNOT USE THE EXCUSE SOMEONE ELSE GAVE IT TO HIM AND HE DID NOT KNOW
IT'S LITERALLY HIS JOB TO BE AWARE OF THAT

>>23988026
>>23988035
>>23988037
Really hope you’re not doing all of this shilling and damage control FOR FREE anon. He’s not the messiah, and you’re a very naughty boy.

>>23987950
>they banned writing, and for excellent reason
(((they))) banned writing, you mean. China had no such problem.

>>23988043
He's a psychologist. They don't prescribe medication, dumbass.
>>23988052
>damage control
Third internationally bestselling book on the way.

>>23988037
You know, there are tons of laymen who are careful about what their doctors prescribe them because they are aware of the issue of overprescription of pharmaceuticals. If a significant number of laymen are aware of this, a psychologist like Peterson is also aware of this. He just demonstrated bad judgement, with severe consequences. He's human, that happens. You don't have to cope just because you're his fan

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>>23988087
>Delusional rationalization/disorganized thinking:
There are facts about the world. For example, that media manipulates people, Jews work in media, and psychologists study the mind. However, what a delusional person does is take such facts and use them to confirm a specific narrative (this is known as being selectively coherent). The elements of the narrative aren't actually proven by the facts but the delusional person (or ideologue) confuses their truth with the truth of their narrative. For example: Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact); therefore he is a skilled manipulator and part of a conspiracy headed by Jews. (This is the delusional rationalization part). The facts don't prove the narrative yet if you look you'll notice they are what is carrying the weight of the argument being made by people who mentally adhere to the narrative--if you deny the narrative these ideologues will confuse this with denying the facts. (That's the disordered thinking part).

Basically, the dangerous thing about paranoid narratives is that they have the appearance of being logically consistent within themselves and noticing the sleight of hand that takes place between the facts and the narrative isn't always easy to do. However, it's quite easy to see why certain narratives are simply absurd (e.g. looking at the advanced teachings of a cult versus those they use to hook people in).

Peterson isn't the crescendo of a multi-millenia conspiracy headed by a cabal of Jews who want you to not have sex. You haven't figured it all out and you aren't interpreting 5D chess. What you are doing is building a selectively coherent narrative based on truisms and confusing that they necessarily connect to your version of reality. If you find yourselves doing this seek professional help.

>>23988090
Experiencing extreme withdrawal syndrome due to taking a doctor prescribed medication doesn't have the same connotation as drug addiction no matter how badly you idiots want to spin it. Since that experience Peterson has gone on to great success and I'm sure this book with be his THIRD international bestseller.

Sorry, but the downward spiral into drug addiction bullshit just doesn't hold up.

>>23988098
>doctor prescribed medication
I think you are intentionally avoiding the point other anons have made, that as a psychologist he does not have a credible reason for taking a dangerous drug just because his doctor prescribed it to him. Laymen know better than that. He is expected to know better too

>>23988103
>that as a psychologist he does not have a credible reason for taking a dangerous drug
I directly addressed that point. That anon was mistaken and implied Peterson's profession meant he prescribed drugs. It doesn't; psychologists employ counselling.

Again, most people will follow the advice of a physician and take the medication the prescribe. If anything the current psychopharmacological paradigm of mental health treatment means Peterson would have leaned toward taking such drugs.

The facts on the ground are that Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication and had an adverse reaction. He sought treatment and has subsequently gone on to much success which indicates you guys are disingenuously mischaracterizing something that happened over half a decade ago because his success makes you mad. Cope, lol.

>>23987645
I held off for like two damn weeks and just busted the fattest nut to /gif/

You know when you're so backed up you can coom with totally relaxed muscles?

No leg flexing, not even using the cock pushup muscle. Only involuntary cooming movements

Felt great

>my infallible idol isn't a degenerate attention addicted pill popping idol worshiping grifter retard
No u

>>23988124
Third international bestseller. Keep seething.

>>23987613
Is it 2018 ? Also you spelled his last name wrong

>>23988110
I understand that Peterson is not a medical doctor and he does not prescribe drugs. I think you are missing the point that benzodiazepine overprescription was widely known, to the point that LAYMEN knew about it. Are you saying that he as a psychologist has no responsibility for taking a mind-altering drug that was widely known in the academic literature to be dangerous? The standard for non-NPCs is to ask questions and do research before consuming mind-altering drugs. The standard for a Harvard educated psychologist is at least that.

For what it's worth, I don't think he failed that standard. I think he knew probably about the risks of benzos because everyone knows about the risks of benzos, and he took them anyway. It was very bad judgement, but he's human

>>23987645
He also said porn should not be banned because otherwise it would ban art

>>23988128
>Muh money muh money
It's only ye who seethe at the hollowness of that which you worship

>>23988135
>I think you are missing the point that
I think you're missing the point that characterizing adverse effects from a doctor prescribed medication as if it were a character defining downward spiral into drug addiction is laughable. Alongside that you have the fact it happened over half a decade ago and Peterson published his second internationally bestselling book within months of his treatment (not to mention the global lecture tour he undertook and all of the other projects he had going on).
>benzodiazepine overprescription was widely known
It wasn't widely known (as it says in that pasta the literature on BWS was minimal and exploded only around the time Peterson had his experience) and Peterson was misdiagnosed. He had to go to Russia for treatment because unlike Canada they had developed treatment for it.

Again, you're disingenuously mischaracterizing something that happened like 7 years ago while pretending all of the successful endeavours he partook in the time since don't exist.

>>23988135
jordan peterson claimed before that he drank apple cider once and did not sleep for 25 days
https://youtu.be/ylyptoT0QaQ

>>23988147
>I'm a resentful poorfag
Sad, lol.

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>>23988163
>be me
>literal neonazi skinhead with a bold swastika tat on my bicep
>"He's Just In Argentina" written in Fraktur font stretched across the chest of my undersized t-shirt
>walking to store to buy some smetana for my wife
>enjoying the cool crisp autumn air
>listening to jonathan bowden speeches on my headphones
>see small dot appear on the horizon
>the dot gets larger and larger
>it's a libtard, running full speed
>directly towards me
>he reaches me and comes to a halt like he hit a sprung floor
>gestures at me to take my headphones off
>i do
>immediately starts telling me specific timestamps of jordan peterson videos from 8 years ago where peterson said having a dad is important and you should wash your penis
>tell him i dont understand
>continuous babbling and screeching about how stupid jordan peterson is and how father figures and washing your foreskin are dog whistles for white supremacy
>ask him what any of this has to do with me
>he won't answer, just keeps saying jordan peterson is a nazi
>is a nazi, is a nazi
>tell him i'm not sure about that, i don't know much about peterson but i'm a nazi and--
>he just keeps going
>now he's telling me about some tweet peterson made in 2016
>now he shows me a picture of him sitting in a messy office
>now he tells me peterson isn't a real professor and isn't qualified to speak on gender v. sex
>he asks me: "did you know that peterson used to shit his pants when he was a baby?"
>i open my mouth to say something but--
>he tells me the daily wire is the daily stormer lite
>ben shapiro is a nazi too
>i ask him what he even means by nazi? (i am a nazi)
>show him my "Meine Ehre heißt Treue" dagger and himmler rookie card
>he won't answer
>anger in his eyes--he starts pulling out cards with blown up screenshots of jordan peterson wearing terrible suits
>the word "NAZI" is written in red ink across peterson's forehead
>i turn away
>now I'm the one running
>fuck jordan peterson

>>23988110
>The facts on the ground are that Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication and had an adverse reaction
Just like all the totally-not sheeple who took the vax, which was, incidentally, also an experimental treatment. I’ll say the same thing for both - you get what you deserve.

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>>23988176
>sheeple

>>23988162
>It wasn't widely known
I googled it, and in 30 seconds I found numerous scholarly articles from the 2010s. I also found an article from 1987. I could find more but I think these examples say enough on their own.

Also I'm not characterizing anything as a downward spiral into drug addiction, you're arguing with strawmen in your head. I said it was bad judgement and it was. If it was good judgement, he wouldn't have gone into a coma

>>23987613
Lol at saying benzo addiction wasn’t well known 5-10 years ago. I went to rehab in the early 2000’s and plenty of people were there for benzos. Plenty of people buying benzos as a narcotic back then. Plenty of horror stories about benzo withdrawal

>>23988188
>I googled it
Oh, so you're not an expert? Lol. Benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome was known but understudied as is evidenced by the fact literature on it is minimal and then explodes in the 2010s (just as I said before). This is because rampant overprescription lead to more incidences of benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome occuring. Peterson was a high profile case.

Again, having an adverse reaction to a doctor prescribed medication doesn't carry the same connotation as being "drug addict." That's an obvious reach and indicates you're a disingenuous actor seeking a means of character assassination. The fact it happened 7 or 8 years ago and you don't want to acknowledge the immediate and sustained success Peterson went onto in those years makes you seem peevish and pathetic.

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>>23988199
everyone knew about that shit 15 years ago
peterson is just a pillhead
peterson was very successful before the pills were a thing
I followed his come up starting w/ that debating SJW video he got famous for
He's just shallow and has really bad judgement

>>23988199
Never called him a drug addict, again, you're arguing with imaginary strawmen. When I was in highschool, kids were some kids smart enough to stay away from the benzos and the adderalls they could get from their doctors. Some kids weren't. I hold Peterson to at least the standard of laymen who were smart enough to avoid mind altering drugs.

>>23987623
How did you become this stupid?

>>23988091
>>Delusional
China never banned writing. The records for imperial exams are all right there for you to read, you pseud. Did not read the rest of your sinophonic whining that pretends the West is the only part of the world that matters..

>>23988210
>Never called him a drug addict
I don't care. Its implied. See retards like >>23988206.
>When I was in highschool, kids were some kids smart enough to stay away from the benzos
I don't care. Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication and had an adverse reaction. It was the better part of a decade ago now and the fact retards like your self parrot it back and forth to one another in an echo chamber says more about you than it does about him. Simple as.

Third. International. Bestseller. Cope about it, lol.

>>23988220
if you trust doctors you are a retard

>>23988220
>I don't care.
You don't say, blind Peterson fan

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>>23988218
>China never banned writing
Cool non sequitur, schizo. Pic-related, taken from the Cultural Revolution, for your effort.

>>23988220
>doctors had already been cutting off childrens cocks and destroying their endocrine systems for years
>Ah yes I am going to trust this doctor! He would never do anything that could lead me to harm!

>>23988223
K.
>>23988224
Keep seething about your betters over something that happened almost a decade ago, kek.

>Retards thinking there would be written records of a prehistoric ban on writing due to fears of symbol worship

>>23988228
Only in America is this done. By Petersons logic this is a good thing since the practice was started by religious leaders at the time for the specific purpose of increasing the morality of society. It just became this thing that is still done today without anyone really questioning it since it doesn't do major harm unless the doctor fucks up. Yes it's wrong and should be stopped, but philosophically forced circumcision is something Peterson should be in favor of.

>>23988238
>Ban writing because people have a thing for worshipping squiggly lines
>Millennia pass
>People forget about the ban
>Write down Thousands of stories about idol worship
>People end up worshiping words
Stunner

>>23987665
When he is streaming live his wife has come into frame and is ice cold to him and the tension is palpable.

>>23988168
Lmfao

>>23988039
Rent free

>>23988737
Peterson certainly is.

>>23988120
based

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It is obvious to anyone who was actually born that god is real(it(Y)), Mr. and Mrs. Robots. Further, you being a single speck of god, for your safety, I would suggest you not wrestle with All. Good luck out there, kid0

>>23987623
How is Peterson a 'grifter' exactly? I feel like this word is often used in a hackneyed and obtuse way now due to its popularisation in the lefty kids current political lexicon.

>>23988821
He panders to an audience in exchange for currency

>>23988822
are you saying peterson doesn't really believe you should clean your room?

>>23988821
"Grifter" is the label retards attach to any online media figure who makes them mad.

>>23987613
20% in. It's OK.
I've uploaded the ePub, MOBI, AZW3 on Z-Library.
I've uploaded the audiobook on AudioBookBay as well.

>>23988822
This
>>23988834
Retard, go watch a podcast.

>>23987637
>>23987859
Kek, everytime. Can I ask you why do you copypaste the same arguments time and time again when it's a thread about peterson?

>>23988855
>the same arguments time and time again
Hard to make that argument when a 3 year-old pasta calls out the content of 90% of posts in any Peterson thread.

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Peterson can't stop winning.

>>23988888
Quints confirms?

>>23987731
>He ideas are either too convoluted or too vague, and he’s also too cowardly to stake any meaningful position on the question of God.
A lot of people, me included, believe he's trying to hide the fact he's actually an atheist.

>>23987859
it's hilarious how atheists deify sex and drug addicts

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>>23988168

I liked Peterson as a dumb undergrad and I think he steered a lot of young men in a positive direction. At the same time I recognize that he's noticeably less tact and more of an on-the-nose political partisan since coming off of the benzos rehab. If you listen to 2018 Peterson he will actually cite psychology studies and coherently build up towards definable points he's trying to make, but if you listen to 2020s Peterson he just goes around the internet looking for retarded bait and then screams about it being "DIABOLICAL PINK ELEPHANTS" or some shit. It feels like he's already said everything he had to say years ago and all that's left is just a steady stream of his idiosyncratic mannerisms.

Also agreeing with >>23987731 in that he has played out the whole "Do I believe in God? Well I BELIEVE in the IDEA of the ARCHETYPE of ESSENCE of CAPITAL B BEING" shit and it is trite. Either consider yourself religious or don't, none of this wishy washy pretentious shit.

>>23988899
He is at the very least agnostic. But if he came out and said definitively one way or another, he wouldn’t be able to milk the gullible retards projecting their beliefs onto him for every penny they have. I’ve seen him have interviews with imams or rabbis where they’ve called him he’s a “real Muslim/jew/etc.” simply because his statements are so vague that you could quite easily connect them to literally any religion.

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>>23987613
I made an attempt. It’s worse than he’s ever been. The jungian drivel covers the world’s shoddiest Bible interpretation. He doesn’t know anything about Christianity and when cornered on hard questions like “but is it real, did Jesus exist, did he rise from the dead” (the bare minimum of calling yourself Christian) he fumbles around and tries to dodge saying yes or no - becuse DUDE SYMBOLISM BRO IT’S REAL IN MY MIND EVEN IF IT ISN’T.
You already know all the opinions Peterson has on everything from diddling your penis to getting a job. Here you get the same opinions dressed up in word salad nonsense using the Bible as a prop.
Get real.

>>23988917
>"Do I believe in God? Well I BELIEVE in the IDEA of the ARCHETYPE of ESSENCE of CAPITAL B BEING" shit and it is trite. Either consider yourself religious or don't, none of this wishy washy pretentious shit.
Well, that is all fair and good, but can you define God? The devils in the details and that means God is hiding right under your nose. I am only conveying the truth as I understand it and honesty to boot. You may have a different idea of God and mistakenly confuse my affirmation with confirmations of your own inner drive.
And so, when you are seeking is for something that appeals to you. And the same is true even when you don't believe in God. Perhaps my denial of the simplified rendition of religion, this under examined gestalt we see in this present moment, plays to your fancies.
We have found ourselves in quite the predicament, but you go a step to far in compelling my speech. It doesn't matter the topic or granularity of discussion, you don't get to tell me what to say. You can hate me for not pandering to your fragile little mind. Well, boohoo. I don't even know you and I am supposed to fear your judgements? You, who needs the gentle nudge of a stranger to feel comfortable in your skin. I don't think so.
Maybe if you make something of yourself, clean your own room, come around and demonstrate actual interest in what I am saying. Then I might be more interested in tailoring and catering my words to suit you.

>>23988240
>philosophically forced circumcision is something Peterson should be in favor of
Definitely. Also penis inspections at the library and reading your skid marks like they’re tea leaves, because who the fuck knows what he actually believes. He’s very transparent about his principles but wilfully obtuse when it comes to applying them to actual truth claims

>>23987613
>my brain tells me God doesn't exist
>my fear of freedom demands God exist
>ow my cognitive dissonance
"We who wrestle with god"
Lmao

>>23987613
>We Whomst Wrestle With God
This guy needs to get over himself

>>23987613
Peterson doesn't believe in God, but he does believe he promised Palestine to the Jews.

Can't bother reading a headcase who can't go 5 minutes without weeping, and outright lies about absurd things like spoonful of vinegar nearly killing him and depriving him of sleep for a week. Guy is a real piece of work. Makes me scared to read Jung, lest I turn out like this whackjob.

>>23988013
>Musk
Also has Epstein ties.

I feel like he lost himself after the coma

speedread it after torrenting day1
maps of meaning is still his goat
but he wrecks atheistic morons nicely with this one

>>23989627
Peterson is literally an atheist tho. He just masks it by endlessly championing the virtues of religion in the face of moral nihilism (ie. by coping hard).

I absolutely LOVE how Jordan B. Peterson makes people SEETHE and MALD, you can FEEL it, I can feel acidity that this seething produces in those people, they are melting themselves with anger and sense of inferiority and cognitive dissonance.
Meanwhile the guy is rich and wears funny suits because he just can lol.

Won't read the book though.

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>>23989643
>Meanwhile the guy is rich and wears funny suits because he just can lol
I don’t really care about his opinions since most of them are incoherent anyways, but what does make me angry is the aesthetic terrorism committed by his tailor. That man should be taken out back and shot

>>23989278
thanks for genuine opinion, I might actually read it, after all

>>23989664
I find them to be the perfect blend of total fucking kitsch and very pleasant to look at
like the one you posted - those colors go so well together on the left side, then underneath, on the right, we get this fucking thing lmao like some red-black tribal flame tatoo from early 2000 or something

I admittedly envy him for owning those suits

>>23987613
psychologist are the worst. much like jung before him peterson picks and chooses elements from traditions he doesnt understand, and the mushes them into an incomprehensible vacuous stew, to create his own idiosyncratic new age world view. which he can then sell to you as a self help book

>>23988035
I was not aware that making a remark about the rise of secular Christianity discourse in atheists conservatives was vitriolic and steeming.

>>23989664
Na those suits are fires. The guy knows how to dress. If it gets incels to also dress better after having taken a shower and clean their room it would be a net positive.

Yet in the end he lost to a guy who dress like an homeless drunk. This will not help leftists dress better.

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>>23989693
>>23990051
The colours match, but there is something unspeakably heinous about how they’re used to divide a single article of clothing into two sections. He didn’t even go all the way - why aren’t the trousers as equally disjointed? There’s just no rhyme or reason to the aesthetic choices that have been made here, and the only social meaning it might confer is by manifesting pic related.

>>23989664
For how much he complains about postmodernism his "logo" is literal postmodern art.

>>23987929
>words
>on /lit/
gasp

>>23990118
before I even read your response - thanks for posting this nostalgia bomb anon

>>23988853
>EVERYONE TELLING ME I WONT TRANSFORM INTO A WOMAN BY CUTTING OFF MY COCK IS A GRIFTER
Or
>EVERYONE MAKING FUN OF ME FOR BEING A PSEUD CHUD WHO ISN'T SAVING THE WHITE RACE IS A GRIFTER

Lol

>>23987914
A skilled politician connects with the people. Trump's retarded rhetorical style and 5th grade vocabulary makes him relatable to the typical Americreature

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The midwits in this thread have actually encouraged me to read Peterson. "uhhh was Jesus born from a virgin mother??" you're missing the point fucking retard. Peterson is attempting to grasp the divine and you're trying to refocus the conversation into the things of this world. This is like someone who's only able to see the paint and not the painting itself. If Christ is not the truth than the truth is worthless. Comedic that people here are calling him a "post-modernist" when he got that idea from Dostoevsky.

Peterson has become another one of those personalities which people blindly hate because that's what the crowd has decreed. I'll read him myself and develop my own opinion.

>>23990874
>”does Peterson think the virgin birth happened?”
>”OMG you can’t ask him that, he’s too busy wrestling with the most profound metaphysical questions!”
I’m sorry but it’s literally the most simple question and you’re engaging in the same cowardly deflection as Peterstein himself. If he’s intelligent enough to muse on the divine, he’s intelligent enough to give a coherent position on what he genuibely believes, you don’t have to baby him by shielding him from moderately challenging questions like he’s made of glass.

>>23990874
>"This schizo is trying to connect with his delusions and you keep bringing up reality"

>>23990874
lol at you painting peterstein as some embattled christ-seeking intellectual.. he's one of the biggest names out there, the only flak he ever got was from the tranny apologists..

>>23987622
>>23987623
That was quick.

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>>23987645
>(Peterson’s campaign against porn stars, “the modern whores of Babylon” vaunting their “delectable but untouchable succubus delights” is a diverting sub-theme of the book).'
Both peterson and the reviewer sound like total faggots but the two intermingled like this is omega fagtastic.

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>>23987859
>>his daughter is a slut!
Yes. This reflects poorly upon him and calls into question his value as a critic, public philosopher, life guru, and "knower" in general. She's also on like five psychiatric drugs plus herpes medication. Why should anyone lend their ear to a guy who raises a mentally unstable whore?

>>23988869
"calling out" something is neither a response nor an argument

>>23988899
>he's trying to hide the fact he's actually an atheist
It's pretty clear he's some sort of Freemason

It still baffles me why anyone would still care about him pro or contra when his fifteen minutes of fame are now like, an entire decade ago. Dude is practically a dinosaur by pop culture standards.

>>23991427
evidence that the enemy of your enemy is not a friend

>>23987881
What does that mean? Is idol/word in contrast to christ/logos or something? I never have any idea what you christcucks are on about.

>>23988013
>>Tucker: to be honest, the extremely hardcore anti-Ukraine shtick, even using the bizarre slave killing super virus biolabs story, using Kremlin versions of US leaks, claiming US forces are fighting on the front line, and risking his huge golden parachute to keep doing pro-Russia stories makes me think they got him on a CP or diddling honeypot, also doesn't believe what he says based on his texts
Don't care one bit about lefty vs rightoid politics but you should do more research on the jewkraine if you think any of that is contentious, suspicious, or questionable.

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>>23988026
>while writing "nig*er" 50 times]
Holy fuck, grow a spine. How old are you? Or do your handlers not allow you to use "bad words"?

>>23988098
>>23988037
>profound incompetence
>impulse control problems related to psychoactive substances
You must pick at least one, though both is the most plausible option.

>>23988091
>Peterson is a psychologist (fact), associates with Jews (fact), and works in media (fact);
I see you deliberately left out his diehard support for israel.

>>23987864
Tell that to Jacob, you illiterate democrat communist retard.

>>23987881
>He's probably an idol (word) worshiping idiot
Catholics/democrats like you are all faggots and pedophiles who worship satan.

>>23987945
Democracy works fine when it's only literate land-owning men who are allowed to vote, but communist kikes like you want to allow women to vote so you can have baby-killing and weaponizing FEMA and federal agencies against Americans and pervert justice just like you commies do in China since you're a communist chink shill.

>>23987914
Jezebel lost, get over it, kike.

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>>23988162
>It wasn't widely known
The fact that benzodiazepines readily cause physical dependence and abrupt withdrawal can kill you has been common knowledge among college students, druggies, and anyone who knows someone who takes them for fucking decades, let alone anyone with access to wikipedia, you laughable mongoloid. Google scholar search of "benzodiazepine withdrawal" narrowed down from 2000-2010 leads to thousands of results:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22benzodiazepine+withdrawal%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_ylo=2000&as_yhi=2010
Oh look, searching from 1990 to 2000 also leads to thousands of results:
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22benzodiazepine+withdrawal%22&hl=en&start=90&as_sdt=0,5&as_ylo=1990&as_yhi=2000

>>23988220
The "adverse reaction" was getting addicted to a drug everyone knows is addictive.

>>23988199
>was known but understudied as is evidenced by the fact literature on it is minimal and then explodes in the 2010s
Yeah, no, you headcanon-charging moron: >>23991488

>>23988037
> He has also set up an accredited online university that will offer free degrees
It's not a “university”, nor is it accredited.
>organized a think tank to combat the hegemony of shit like the WEF
if you're talking about ARC - he didn't organize it, and it doesn't "combat the hegemony of shit like the WEF".

I don't understand what do you get out of lying like this? Is this a masterful bait or are you really this delusional and genuinely see Peterson as a messianic savior?

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>>23988162
> something that happened like 7 years ago
It didn't happen “like 7 years ago”, he went to Russia to get the cure for his klonopine ADDICTION in 2020. I ask again: are you doing a bit or are you genuinely in a fugue state that overwrites reality according to your fanatic devotion to Peterson?

>>23991515
As someone who rode out a severe fentanyl addiction by going cold turkey and spasming and flopping around on a couch without sleep for days on end, it makes me laugh this nigga literally was like, nah I've got to fly around the world and get put into a coma to overcome this. What a pussy.. I think his wife was sick from cancer at the time, too.

>>23991525
Nobody dies from opiate withdrawals, alcohol and benzos are uniquely the worst

>>23991592
Please, go ask your average Waffle House waitress and they'll tell you about how they kicked their 12 xanny bar a day habit.. meanwhile this guy couldn't manage to taper down and kick like a man with the benefit of immense wealth and access to advanced medical care and the world's best rehabilitation clinics. WEAK!

>>23987748
In the Piers Morgan interview recently he more or less admits that he is an agnostic. No idea why people take this hack seriously. He isn't even a good interpreter of Jung. Consider the difference. When Jung is asked if he believes God exists, he says "I don't need to 'believe'. I know." But when this charlatan hack Peterstein is asked the same question, he says "I don't know." This should tell you all you need to know about him.

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>>23991404
Not a fan of the guy but his daughter being a whore isn't really a huge slight against him. At the end of the day women are more susceptible to outside influences. Modern society grooms many women into being vapid whores, even ones from good families. On some level it is unavoidable unless you flee into the frozen wasteland of Siberia like a True Believer, raising your daughter entirely isolated from civilization.

>>23991638
Stop coping. Women with strong father figures don't end up whores because they take their values from their father rather than from society or anyone else.

>>23991638
I don't have a daughter, and I'm sure shit happens when you're trying to raise one, but he is certainly not a great father with that outcome. Maybe he was even a good one with some very unlucky bad influences on her, but certainly he can't have been great if that's how she turned out.

>>23991643
Yeah you're right actually. I thought about it after posting that and can't think of even a single example.
>>23991656
Fair point

>>23990748
Okay you direction brained retard.

>>23991638
>heh I know how you should live, raise your kids, who to get married to, how society should work and how cleaning your room is important
>WTF HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME FOR BEING A PILL POPPING FAILED FATHER OF A WHORE LIVING IN A TRASH HEAP I’M NOT AT FAULT HERE SOCIETY IS TO BLAME YOU’RE JUST LIKE MY BITCH WIFE ALWAYS NAGGING
>NOW I’LL GO EAT MORE RAW MEAT BEFORE I ACCIDENTALLY TOUCH VINEGAR AND DIE
>buy my book on life advice based on the bible btw
>WTF HOW DARE YOU ASK ME IF JESUS EXISTED IT’S NOT A YES OR NO QUESTION MAN JUST STOP IT NO I DON’T KNOW IF HE WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD YEA I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THE BIBLE AND CHRIST WHY DO YOU ASK?

>>23988888
He just can't.
>>23991855
>faggot sperging to strangers about how much he hates Jordan Peterson has no direction
Go figure!

>>23991488
>>23991491
>>23991509
Doctor prescribed medication. Subsequently went on to continued success. Keep crying about it for 4 more years. Kek.

>>23992022
Based. Nothing wrong with using doctor prescribed medicine. Jordan is the man. I buy every book he releases, and have saw him speak live 3 times. I also subscribe to PetersonU. I can't imagine what the state of my life (or room LOL) would be like without him. God bless you, Dr. Peterson. God is good.

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>>23992022
>oh noes, a druggie whore-raising wash-your-penis grifter is """successful""" the same way andrew tate and benyamihn shapirosteinberg are successful! I must cry ;_;
Kek, you absolute faggot.

>>23992050
Third internationally bestselling book incoming. Cope and seethe.

>>23987613
>We israel

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>>23992022
>Doctor prescribed medication.
The opiod epidemic in america was kicked off by millions of doctors prescribing oxycontin to people just like juden peterstein; being a degenerate druggie has nothing to do with who gave you the drugs, it has to do with how you take them. And peterstein got hooked on drugs just like his herpes riddled daughter.

>>23992079
Not listening. Peterson is based and you are gay, cope and seethe, goy.

>>23987645
based Im afraid.

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>>23992085
>>>>>peterstein is based
Shalom, rabbi. I guess the druggie, grifter, and whore daughter facets of canadian kermit the frog only increase his appeal to you yids.

>>23992079
>PLEASE PRETEND HE WAS A DRUG ADDICT AND IT RUINED HIS LIFE WITH US! ITS ALL WE HAVE!!!!
Lol, no. Third internationally bestselling book incoming.

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>>23992096
>pretend
See >>23991515.

>>23992101
>PLEASE IGNORE THE FACT IT WAS A DOCTOR PRESCRIBED MEDICATION AND IGNORE ALL THE SUCCESSFUL ENDEAVOURS HE HAS UNDERTAKEN IN THE TIME SINCE!
Lol, no. Keep crying. Third internationally bestselling book. Cope and/or seethe.

>>23987613
>wrestle with god
>israel
Oh I see what you did there

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>>23992106
>if it was doctor prescribed then he can't be a druggie
Okay, retard.
>successful endeavors
Why would anyone care about the (((successes))) of a some druggie grifter selling wash-your-penis books to retards like you? I bet the kardashians have released international best sellers too, and they're less phony than juden peterstein.

>>23990874
>I'll read X myself and develop my own opinion
imagine if at least half of us did this
good post anon

>>23992158
Thanks. Upon reading him I quickly realized he was a deranged Jewish fag.

>>23992152
>if it was doctor prescribed then he can't be a druggie
Having a negative reaction to a doctor prescribed medication doesn't hold the connotations you're trying to force.
>Why would anyone care about the (((successes)))
The fact he has been wildly successful in a variety of endeavors in the time since his treatment renders the idea he was utterly destroyed by it absurd at face value.

But feel free to keep parroting the same cope back and forth for another half decade if seething about the success of your betters makes you feel like less of a loser. By then we'll probably be on Peterson's 4th intentionally bestselling book, lol.

>>23992162
and that's ok

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>>23990874
>Peterson is attempting to grasp the divine and you're trying to refocus the conversation into the things of this world.
It's often been said that logic is the direct enemy of Christianity. This has been expressed since antiquity, during the religion's earliest iterations. It tells you all you need to know, and Peterstein really doesn't have much to say on the matter since he doesn't research it and can't be called an expert on theology.

>>23991215
>>23991251
I went and watched the "debate" after seeing all the cope here. Peterson didn't dodge the question, his position is very clear, and happens to be the same position I hold. For example, in one instance Dawkins asked if the existence of Cain is literal; Peterson answers instead (rightly) that this is not the topic of the conversion, but nevertheless he's merciful enough to lower himself to Dawkins's level in the material plane and answer his question: it's possible that in the past someone named Cain existed, where the story originates from. Of course Dawkins isn't satisfied here, because what he wants is Peterson saying a clear No, he's not interested in the debate itself.
>>23992203
Agree, but let's also remember that Aristotle invented logic as an attempt to understand the divine.

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>>23992166
>Having a negative reaction to a doctor prescribed medication doesn't hold the connotations you're trying to force.
He did not have "a negative reaction", he was suffering from (severe) withdrawal symptoms, which only happens if someone is addicted.
>The fact he has been wildly successful in a variety of endeavors in the time since his treatment renders the idea he was utterly destroyed by it absurd at face value.
I never said he was destroyed by it, I said he's a grifter druggie, which he is.

>>23987613
i shit on you.
fraud.

>>23991404
>This reflects poorly upon him
Not necessarily. I've seen very nice women turn into absolute whores the second they step into college, even despite having good parents in their lives. Everything in the media is designed to make women think riding the cock carousel is empowering and their journey. Women are dumb and blindly follow the trends as a general rule so it's obvious why media targets them specifically.

>>23991643
>Women with strong father figures don't end up whores because they take their values from their father rather than from society or anyone else
And I've got a bridge to sell you. You either haven't met many women or are coping. I want to have children eventually and I'm aware of the reality that women will follow trends mindlessly. I'll try my best to not have her brainwashed by the zog slut pipeline but to not acknowledge this is insane.

>>23992106
>DOCTOR PRESCRIBED MEDICATION
What does this have to do with anything? You're genuinely seem to be delusional

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>>23989664
This is how you can tell Peterson is unironically unwell mentally desu. Inappropriate and bizarre out-of-context attire is a classic sign of cognitive disorganization.

>>23992304
>>23992166

>>23992304
It’s his dindu mantra for absolving Peterson of responsibility. Like a psychologist had no idea that shit could be addictive or how to treat addiction. I mean maybe he’s the shittiest psychologist, that’s certainly a defense.
Smacks of
>HE CROSSED STATE LINES
Like they genuinely don’t understand what they’re saying is meaningless. It’s their safety blanket word babble.

>>23992166
>half decade
>>23988162
> 7 years
>>23988199
>7 or 8 years ago
>>23988229
>almost a decade ago
So for this anon, 2020 went from 4 years ago to a "half decade", to 8 years ago to almost a decade ago, all in one series of posts. I wonder if he is being dishonest or if he is actually just delusional in his love for Jordan. Kind of pathetic desu

>>23992383
>mantra
That's the mantra, not pretending he had a character defining descent into drug addiction while ignoring all of the subsequent success he's gone on to? Kek. Keep crying while Peterson keeps winning.

Third. Worldwide. Bestselling. Book.

>>23992388
>ACKTULLY WE'VE ONLY BEEN PARROTING IT FOR 4 YEARS!
Lol, the fact you think that's a gotcha is absolutely hilarious. Keep it up.

>>23992389
You’re like a simp defending some e-girl and the reeking desperation and nonsensical defenses of your whore are sad and pathetic. If only you could have internalized what Peterson said about online porn you wouldn’t be acting like this. Unfortunately even his low brow advice is sailing above the head of his stalwart defenders.
You can tell they really follow his thinking when they spend an entire day defending his honor online. You genuinely have nothing better to do.

>>23992393
But how does that explain why the number of years grow and grow in your posts? Did you make a mistake or did you do that on purpose?

Personally i don't particularly care about this topic, so you can go ahead and delete the thread.
Thanks.

>>23992383
>Like a psychologist had no idea that shit could be addictive or how to treat addiction.
It becomes even more surreal when you factor in the fact that before he started clout-chasing TV panel shows, Peterson has previously done research involving alcohol addiction and dependency as a clinical psychologist. It's a completely ridiculous proposition that he somehow couldn't have known the addictive potential of benzos, or that his doctor and the medication itself are somehow responsible for him catching a habit.

>>23992411
>being this new

>>23992414
>It's a completely ridiculous proposition that he somehow couldn't have known the addictive potential of benzos, or that his doctor and the medication itself are somehow responsible for him catching a habit.
yeah bro when your wife has cancer you'll know what to do. anyway it doesnt matter. he became a billboard.

>>23992415
Unnecessary and toxic reply. Please consider your behavior in the future.

>>23992389
>>23992393
I know you will not heed this warning, but I will still issue it on principle. You need professional help. Not in the sense of reading some more of Peterson's books, but actual counselling from a psychiatrist/psychotherapist (MD). You've been spamming these copypastas >>23987859 here for over two years now. This is an obsessive fixation that warrants serious evaluation. Not only this behavior is a sign of major cognitive disorganization but also a threat to your own intellectual and emotional development. You need to get your act together, get into cognitive-based therapy and redirect your focus toward productive, socially beneficial activities.

>>23992396
>You’re like a simp defending some e-girl and the reeking desperation and nonsensical defenses
Nice projection, faggot. The reality is you're a seething loser parroting the same tired ad homs that fall apart to anyone who isn't a terminally online schizo with broken reality testing. >>23992491
>I know you will not heed this warning
Correct. I will not take a butthurt faggot impotently sperging the same tired nonsense, year after year, about a media figure who makes him feel insecure in his beliefs. Lol.

>>23992557
But it is you who is projecting and accusing others of being “terminally online” while you have been spamming these copypastas about Peterson since 2022

>>23992572
>No you
Bro, you idiots have been sperging the same basic set of easily disproven ad homs for years on end in an autistic echo chamber. If you're continuously frustrated by pastas that were written 2 years ago it's time to accept the reality that you're pathetic.

Third. Worldwide. Bestselling. Book.

Cope, lol.

>>23992579
I'm not “frustrated” with anything, I'm drawing attention to the fact that you have an obsessive-neurotic disorder

>>23992590
You're drawing attention to the fact that you're a butthurt loser crying about the fact the nonsense he's been parroting year after year is easily BTFO by an old prewritten pasta.

Keep up the projection though, bro. When Peterson's book officially becomes an international bestseller I look forward to your salt.

>>23992606
> the projection
> the nonsense he's been parroting year after year
But it is you who have been spamming the same posts for years? No one else here has been posting prewritten multiple-paragraph walls of text every time Peterson gets a thread or a mention for years on end. It's you.

>>23992374
>>23992261

>>23992016
>sperging
Kek
>hate
What? Since when did I say I Hate the guy?

>>23987622
You know it's honestly sad and kind of funny how predictable this board is. 200 replies in 3 days and it has nothing to do with the book but about peterson himself and his politics. But shit I was right kek. This thread is entertaining.

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>>23992642
>But shit I was right kek. This thread is entertaining.

>>23988821
>How is Peterson a 'grifter' exactly?
grifter is when internet person doesnt agree with me or internet person's audience bad. but all my famous internet people are genuine and decent human beans who help little old ladies cross the road even when no one is looking.

>>23992228
>to lower himself to Dawkins's level in the material plane
Meds

Who?

>>23992651
Why would I be crying?

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>>23992628
>ignores the thousands upon thousands of posts parroting the same nonsense for years on end
>DON'T POST THOSE PASTAS!!!
Lol, fuck off retard.

>>23992652
Peterson is a literal grifter, though. Back in 2019 he swindled a bunch of gullible guys with his "Peterson Fellowship": a worthless unaccredited MBA from some for profit diploma mill for $65,000.

https://old.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/aie2af/letter_i_was_accepted_as_a_peterson_fellow_for/
https://financialpost.com/entrepreneur/how-jordan-peterson-became-the-face-of-an-mba-program-in-texas
https://peterson.actonnga.org/

>inb4 this doesn't count somehow

>>23992624
Again, Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication. You don't have any evidence that he abused it other than the fact he had a negative reaction when he decided to stop taking it. On top of that you now have several years of Peterson carrying through on various engagements (the think tank, web interview series, a few documentaries, finishing off 1 international bestseller and writing another that's likely to be just as if not more successful, multiple international lecture tours, etc) that directly refute the idea he was destroyed by a downward spiral into addiction.

You can't refute the above. All you can do is ignore the actual facts of the matter and pretend the last several years didn't happen. It's sad but what's truely pathetic is you're sure to continue this charade for as long as Peterson remains successful. Like I said: keep seething while Peterson turns in success after success after success. Your salt is delicious.

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>>23992557
> Nice projection
Another impressive evidence his fans have no idea what words mean. Go on now and try to defend this. Try to put into words how what I said could be a projection. Who’s the e-girl for me exactly?
What you did was a playground “no u” and misuse of psychological terminology. Just as your constant no life presence in the thread is self evidently proving Peterson’s hardest discipline is braindead and can’t even follow his master’s simplest advice, misusing basic psychological terms shows you know nothing about this after presumably reading all his books.
> anyone who isn't a terminally online schizo with broken reality testing
Now /this/ is projection. It’s too bad it was a slip.

>>23992690
>probably more projection/crying
Didn't read. Keep crying.

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>>23992491
What the ever living fuck.

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>>23992702
They say you can judge someone by the company they keep (inb4 "JEWS THO!") but with Peterson you may judge him by the company he does not keep: ideological libtards, reactionary racists, seething trannies, and vapid pseuds. These barely human toxins have had to recycle the same 5 ad homs, pathetically doing so for years now, because they're incapable of actually understanding what he has to say--they're too far gone into ideological possession (and retardation) to even recognize when they're being disingenuous.

So please (you queer amalgamation of libtard, chud, and tranny) just keep doing what you're doing. You can be assured that Peterson keep doing what he's doing.

>>23992687
>Again, Peterson took a doctor prescribed medication
This sequence of words doesn't mean anything.
> You don't have any evidence that he abused it
He checked himself into New York rehab to get weaned off from Klonopin in 2019
>he had a negative reaction when he decided to stop taking it
That's called a "drug withdrawal", very well described with benzos if you take them for longer than two weeks and exceed the recommended dosag

https://nypost.com/2019/09/20/jordan-peterson-enters-rehab-after-wifes-cancer-diagnosis/

>>23992712
Doctor prescribed medication. Subsequent success in the years since. Simple as.

>>23992702
Yeah, bucko has lost his marbles

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>>23992671
Ohh, the seething cause I essentially agreed with the 'leftie'. Jesus christ. I just don't like that he shills for Israel. I don't give a fuck about left or right wing politics. But damn, you're fuming man, here have a ciggie.

>>23992719
>>23988091

>>23992702
That's what I'm saying. This retard always comes with the same copypasta. I find most of the criticism against Jordan Peterson shit (attacks against his daughter etc) but this anon is mentally ill or is playing 5D chess

>>23992730
>chuds/trannies/library's/pseuds losing their minds over being BTFO by years old copy pastas
Fucking kek.

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>>23992726
"The fate of the world depends on the decisions of the Israeli people. Just as much as the fate of the world depends on the decisions everyone else makes."
- not bad, wording was abit weird
>starts crying
Wtf
"So you make yourself a shinning light on the hill and you attract people here because of what you're capable of"
Okay..inspirational for jews I guess
>more sniffles
"You show the world the holy city could look like. Cause we need it, we need it, and it's up to you to do it"
...yeah no thanks, who the fuck is 'we'? No, build your city, but we don't need it.
>he's not a shill

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>>23992764
>cries

>>23992776
Kek

>>23992734
The only one losing it is the guy who has spent this entire thread with his lips planted firmly on Peterson’s gaping asshole. Something tells me it’s not actually copypasta and you’re literally the only one spamming it, in which case, seek psychological help

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>>23992776
>cries

>>23992690
"Projection" is such a simple concept, but I've seen the word misused fucking constantly here lately. I've been coming to /lit/ off since at least 2014, but I take long breaks: did this board become abysmally worse in the last year or is it my imagination?

>>23992806
Imagine being this paranoid and seething this much over a talking head and a few pastas about him. Get a life.

>>23992806
Don't. It won't matter. If someone has been doing it for that long and will probably do it in the next peterson thread. Someone just remember this retard and ignore him. You can't win an argument against the mentally ill. You literally can't. There's no point in discussing it further.

>>23992838
>absolutely mindbroken

This nigga is showing clinical signs of perseveration, he's unironically mentally ill

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>>23992687
>You don't have any evidence that he abused it
Literally says right there you retard. You do not get withdrawal symptoms from benzos without abusing them.

>>23992715
Getting hooked on doctor prescribed drugs is still drug abuse committed by a druggie.

>>23992853
That doesn't say he abused drugs, retard. It says he experienced benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome when he decided to stop taking it. This became quite common in the mid-late 2010s because the drug was wildly over prescribed which led to an uptick in those experiencing what Peterson himself did.

Here's what actually happened. Peterson was prescribed benzos by his doctor because he was a prime candidate for them. When he decided to stop he had extreme adverse effects and sought treatment. He was misdiagnosed and doctors tried to get him to take SSRIs but he was like "fuck psychiatric medication" and sought specific treatments for benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome. He went to Russia, which had a specific treatment, and then recovered. Within a couple months he went back to work and published his second book.

Is blindly trusting Big Pharma a good idea? Of course not but neither you nor I have any idea what went into Peterson's decision to trust his doctor and take the medication. Pretending he was some junkie, when it was literally a prescription, that ruined his life, when he has years of subsequent success in a multitude of endeavors, just doesn't add up. The fact is that if Peterson were such a failure you wouldn't be repeating this nonsense year after year as if the clock stopped in 2020.

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>>23992880
>It says he experienced benzodiazepine withdrawal syndrome when he decided to stop taking it.
Yeah, and you don't get withdrawals unless you're taking benzos every day at high doses, aka abusing them and addicted.
>This became quite common in the mid-late 2010s because the drug was wildly over prescribed which led to an uptick in those experiencing what Peterson himself did.
No, you just made that up, same as you made up the bullshit about no one knowing how addictive benzos are until the 2010's, which, besides being an obvious lie, was trivial to disprove with google scholar searches >>23991488. You keep making up random lies and hoping no one remembers that you're a pathological liar, but you're the only schizo here stuck in some random loop of lying, getting called out, lying, getting called out, repeat indefinitely.
>Peterson was prescribed benzos by his doctor because he was a prime candidate for them.
A practicing clinical psychologist knows what benzos are, knows the risks, and has had plenty of patients taking them. He has impulse control problems related to substances.
>Pretending he was some junkie, when it was literally a prescription
No need to pretend, there are plenty of junkies who get all their drugs prescribed, and he was one of them, the little druggie weasel.
>The fact is that if Peterson were such a failure you wouldn't be repeating this nonsense year after year as if the clock stopped in 2020.
Who's "you", you projecting schizo? You are the one spamming the same thing year after year, but since everyone knows juden peterstein is a shabbos goy druggie with a herpes-ridden whore daughter, you will always find people to tell you as much no matter how many years you keep spamming your desperate idolatry cope. Quit coping, schizo.

>>23992937
You have no evidence he abused the medication and the facts on the ground are he found continued and sustained success. Simple as. Keep seething.

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>>23992952
>You have no evidence he abused the medication
It says it right there, retard.

>>23992708
That post was about how you keep posting the same pasta for over two years. If an obsessive, pathological liar is his most loyal fan then it seems pretty clear he's a grifter creep.

>>23992967
>It says it right there,
Lol, no it doesn't you complete and total moron. Holy shit you're delusional.
>That post was about how you keep posting the same pasta
Cry about it. You faggots keep parroting the same nonsense that's kept a 2 year old pasta relevant and you can't stop seething about it.

Lol, I've come across quite a few resentful losers on this website but you have to be in the top ten. Keep importantly seething about your betters online and randomly sperging about Jews being the reason you're such a loser. I wonder how that will work out for you...lol

>>23987613
Anyway..has anyone read the book?

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I don't know, or care, what this book is about, but the cover is atrocious. The obvious, and much superior choice, would be a depiction of Jacob wrestling with the angel; it's such a fitting cover for a book call "We Who Wrestle With God" and yet the retards in the publishing industry chose the most generic, vapid cover thinkable.

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>>23992996
Keep coping about your druggie daddy figure. Here's another full page of your desperate schizo behavior.

>>23992952
>the facts on the ground are he found continued and sustained success
Enough of the spin, doc. don’t be afraid to go off script. It’s not like your handlers exist outside of your head anyways.

>>23987613
Why would he wrestle with god? Is he a fucking idiot? Does he think god is gonna choke slam him onto a fold out table in front of his fans before absolutely annihilating an entire bottle of wine?

>>23993014
>Staunch advocate against post modernism
>Has post modernist cover art
Do you think the publishers were just fucking with him?

>>23993086
I think he's a reprobate and when the publishing company told him it would "reach a wider audience", or something along those lines, he caved to have more cash for his benzo addiction.

>>23993046
>>23993067
>still seething
Lol

>>23992702
>>23993046
A year’s worth of spamming. Makes sense the Peterson defender is mentally ill and has nothing better to do in life than this. Another Peterson success story. Keep saving those aimless basement dwellers.
We joke about the penis washing but if this is any indication not only is that news to his readers, they will also read it and then not do it, while talking about how great it is Peterson is teaching them to clean their dick. Mysterious.

>>23992702
>>23993046
Based. Stay mad.

Why would an "agnostic" have such love for Israel? It's one thing to believe it's divine mandate a la dispensationalists, but boggles the mind for a secularist to show such zeal for it.

>>23987731
Thissss so much this. Like some of the ideas he talks about are quite interesting - Jungian archetypes, myth patterns, memetic theory, etc. But the man is one of the worst communicators of all time and constantly dresses up his statements with a veil of false profundity and deliberately obsfucates so he can get that sweet sweet grift money. And his hatred of "post-modernists" (he has no idea of what it actually means) is totally misplaced. I like the idea of these concepts being discussed on such big platforms but I wish it was someone else other than JP.

>>23987613
before you try to fix the world you should take care of your own life. maybe someone should have told Peterson as much!

When you have 50 million dollars and your days still aren't filled with constant orgies and hedonistic fun due to your bitch wife and a strange nofappers sense of moral guilt, along with pointless melodramatic and cloying sentimental obligation to monogamy, you have to come up with a bunch of insane shit like this to occupy yourself mentally. Throughout actual history people with this kind of money naturally gravitated towards harems. If someone isn't doing that, there's something wrong with them. In b4 BEGONE SATAN!

>>23991404
All women are like this now, there's no reason to fault anyone for it besides you know who

>>23987914
Wrong. It's the conservative intellectuals who side with Trump as some kind of second wind of Buchanan are the ones worth listening. They're also the forward thinking ones, the hope being that the Trump movement will bring someone more extreme and competent in the future

>>23993893
>there's no reason to fault anyone for it besides you know who
White men. Every problem in modernity is the direct result of the docile apathy of white men who let minority interest groups henpeck them into giving away civilization.

>>23993942
*yawn*

>>23993949
>NOOOO WE HAD NO CHOICE BUT TO GIVE JEWS POWER IN OUR WHITE CHRISTIAN COUNTRIES, WE'RE JUST POOR GOTIM WITH NO WILL OF OUR OWN
Etc, etc...

>>23993949
He's right, you know.

>>23989451
This is a literal AI post and I'm surprised nobody has pointed it out (I have RP'd with bots for hundreds of hours and I fucking know their style when I see it)

>>23993953
>>23994005
Okay. What would you recommend to rally us?
10 points If you mention Hitler.
20 points if you mention BAM drivel
50 points if you mention abrahamic religions or 'Pagan Warrior LARP'
It's the same shit with you guys and it never leads anywhere, just more shitflinging.

>>23994031
You can step away from your quantitative points based view of worldviews. There is no prize to win here.
We must simply deliver all white men into the mouth of a volcano and finish handing off civilization to their betters so that the collective psychosis they've burdened us with can be properly attended to. They do a fine job of that once they hit 40 or so, but this needs to be a group effort.

>>23994028
does ai say boohoo?

>>23994038
So what's your solution? Correct if I'm wrong here, are you suggesting we just 'flee' away and let the others handle civilization, is that what you're saying?

>>23994041
Yes.

>>23994049
If we let you flee you'll just chimp out where we can't see you. I'm suggesting euthenasia, sterilization and forced relocation in order to slowly bloodlet society of the taint of the White man.

>>23994055
you should write up a longer document on this subject and submit it for publication so that you can get your voice out there. I think this country would be really receptive at this time.

>>23994057
It would not, because my central thesis would be an anti-natalist call to dwindle the entirety of the human population to almost nothing save for a select group of Builders tasked with erecting a monument to human folly. When the leftovers finish and dispose of themselves the monument will be sent into space as a warning for others.

>>23994055
Ahh, good b8 mate. Kek, I thought you were serious

>>23994062
That can be the penultimate chapter. No one reads that far anyway.

>>23994031
As opposed to le (((noticing))) shitposting every day for the last 10 years? I've yet to see a solution from you either.

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>>23994031
The answer is unironically a Hitlerist Koryos Crusade for Christ-Wotan.

>>23991485
>Democracy works fine when it's only literate land-owning men who are allowed to vote
Nope, still a retarded faggy system that demolishes the natural aristocracy and robs the productive
>Catholics/democrats like you are all faggots and pedophiles who worship satan.
Lol, okay protty. Go read the book Catholics assembled that you proceeded to mangle

>>23990874
The reason everyone fucking hates you isn’t because you’re Christians—it’s because you’re the most insufferable, self-righteous assholes imaginable. You spam Bible verses like broken fucking robots, chant “Christ is King” like some brain-dead cultists, and twist scripture into absurd, bullshit excuses to shield your fragile little egos from reality. You’re not here to engage or debate—you’re here to shut down conversations, derail anything that challenges your cognitive dissonance, and shove your sanctimonious garbage down everyone’s throat. Nobody hates Christianity—they hate you. You’re a walking, talking parody of everything wrong with organized religion: arrogant, hypocritical, and so fucking narcissistic it’s embarrassing to watch. You’re not warriors for Christ—you’re pathetic clowns, LARPing as holy defenders while making an absolute mockery of your faith. Do everyone a favor: shut the fuck up, grow a spine, and stop making a goddamn fool of yourselves every time you speak.

>>23994104
>it's da jooz chud
Never claimed I was belligerent autist who scrolls on poltard ((nooticing)) da jooz. And it was>>23993942
Who claimed a retarded solution.

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>>23987613
Read Jordanetics instead

>>23991404
The prescriptions listed as "herpes medication(s)" are used to treat shingles (which is in the same family of viruses and flare ups frequently require hospitalization in those with autoimmune disorders). She has an autoimmune disorder which lead to multiple surgeries including 2 joint replacements.

Pretty telling you malding losers post memes with fake links and then lie.

>>23994751
I love that they ingest a mountain of pharmaceuticals everyday, but if someone accidentally splashes some vinegar on theit all-beef diet they'll they claim it's a brush with death and unable to function or sleep for days on end

>>23994795
I think it's more that the daughter had serious health conditions that had required multiple surgeries before she was out of her teens. This is because she has an autoimmune disorder and as she got older she figured out she could mitigate symptoms through diet.

You can't have it both ways. Either they continue to blindly trust Big Pharma or they're overly paranoid cranks aping the fact we have shit understanding when it comes to diet and health. The reality is they both had health conditions and negative experiences with Pharma lead them to seek alternatives that work for them.

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>>23994751
>>23994809
>fake links
She took the videos of her prescription list down but you can still find all the discussion about it:
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FznGkfrl_f5s/
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/https%3A%2F%2Fyoutube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DznGkfrl_f5s/
She takes valtrex for genital herpes, not shingles, easily proven by the dosage and her remaining refills. Valtrex used to run ads on tv specifically for the on-label use of treating genital herpes in case you'd like to know how transparent your cope-lies are. I don't know why you keep lying about things that are so easily proven wrong.

>>23994821
he does it for free ladies and gentlemen

>>23994826
I'm sorry I meant that for the schizo

>>23994821
>he took the videos of her prescription list down but you can still find all the discussion about it
I never said anything about it being a fake link.
However, the link in the meme is dead and considering you guys have a history of making shit up to suit a false narrative the onus is on you.
>She takes valtrex for genital herpes, not shingles, easily proven by the dosage and her remaining refills.
That dosage of Valtrex is used to treat shingles, retard. Do you have any actual evidence she's taking it for genital herpes or do you just want to make shit up because her dad made you realize it isn't the Jews fault you're a loser?

>>23994826
>NOOOOO, LOOK AT MY GOOGLE SEARCH TRYING TO PROVE AN E-CELEB, WHO MAKES PEOPLE WHO SPERG ABOUT JEWS LOOK LIKE IDIOTS, HAS GENITAL HERPES!
Holy shit you guys are losers, lol.

>>23994955
>That dosage of Valtrex is used to treat shingles
I just showed you that it isn't, and showed she had refills remaining, which wouldn't be the case for a shingles prescription. Put up or shut up, dumbfuck.

>>23994963
>I just showed you that it isn't
It is though, retard. First, "typical" dosage doesn't mean everyone who has shingles gets 1000 mg. Second, you have no information about how many pills she's taking per day. Third, the number of refills gives no information about this because you have no idea how many pills she's getting per refill. Fourth, typical dosage to prevent an outbreak of shingles, or treat it as it clears up, isn't the same as management of an outbreak.

So, do you have any actual evidence or are you just a weird loser sperging about a stranger having genital herpes because she makes you feel bad about blaming others for your problems? Kek

>>23994969
>Third, the number of refills gives no information about this because you have no idea how many pills she's getting per refill.
No doctor prescribes a drug for acute treatment of a recurrent condition in such a way that you have to continuously refill your medicine just to complete the course, you absolute moron.

>>23994972
>I have no evidence, I'm just a weird loser sperging about a stranger's genitals because she makes it harder for me to cry about Jews being responsible for my problems
Got it.

>>23994976
>hello mikhaila peterstein, I see you have a shingles outbreak
>so I'm going to have you take a six day course of valtrex to get it under control
>you can fill your prescription for the first two days as you leave the office
>and then you'll fill the next two days once you're done with that
>and then finally you can fill the final two days and you'll be done!
Absolute retard.

>>23994980
>SHE HAS GENITAL WARTS!
Dude, she has an autoimmune disorder and gets shingles.
>IT'S FOR GENTIAL WARTS!
Proof?
>I GOOGLED THE DOSAGE, IGNORED ANYTHING TO DO WITH SHINGLES, AND MADE UP SOME STUFF ABOUT TREATMENT REGIMINES!
That's not proof and don't you have the self-awareness to recognize how weird your obsession with this is?
>GENITAL WARTS! I'M BETTER THAN HER!!! JEWS!!! JEWS THO!!!!! JEWS!!!!
Lol, loser.

>>23994987
You're the one making up reasons why she has a prescription with two refills remaining to treat something that is only treated with a week-long course of medicine. Keep coping, schizo.

>>23994997
>You're the one
Making fun of you for obsessing over a stranger's genitals, like a complete autistic werido, because you're upset she makes it harder for you to get away with sperging about Jews as a means to deal with your lack of success in life? Correct. Lol

>>23994980
He's not retarded..well not completely but he's mentally ill. Literally no point in continuing. Ignore it nigga

>>23987613
Is this the one where he dreamed of his grandmother molesting him?

>>23994997
Hey look, you have a like-minded loser (>>23995010) who wants to make you feel better about obsessing over Mikhala Peterson's genitals. I know you guys are autistic so I'll warn you that what's socially acceptable in an anonymous online environment doesn't fly in the real world (i.e. you should keep your thoughts and online research findings concerning the private parts of people you haven't met to yourselves). Lol

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>>23995006
>>23995019
>like a complete autistic werido
Says the guy defending a crypto-jew druggie grifter for over two years with the same pasta.

>>23995032
>Jews
Again, not their fault you're a loser.
>same pasta
Imagine being so predictable you're instantly BTFO by a pasta written 2 years ago. Kek.

>>23987659
It's the King Solomon Paradox. People with dogshit personal lives persist in giving life advice to others.

I got baited into watching a recent interview of him and Piers Morgan. It seems he doesnt actually believe in God claiming its beyond his comprehension but then uses the bible to claim God is just the force of your ancestors supporting you taking risks in life or some shit like that.

>>23994259
Anon, I'm not even Christian...

>>23995348
Is >>23995014 this what you meant by the “force of your ancestors”?

>>23993656
Two reasons:
1. He's not really agnostic, but pretending to be one so to appeal to rational people who are sympathetic to "Judeo-Christian values"

2. He is agnostic, but shills for Israel because that's what his employer is paying him to do.

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>>23989664
"Go, wrestle with him"
No, thx!

>>23995435
>JORDAN PETERSON TELLS PEOPLE IT'S NOT THE JEWS FAULT I'M A LOSER
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>[repeat in every single Peterson thread going on 9 years]
Yeah, safe to say you're a loser, lol.

>>23995402
It's also the default boomer belief that they buy without hesitation. Sad to see a supposedly educated man be uncritical and even be a voice of propaganda, especially when he teaches about the danger of propaganda! If this was in a work of literature we'd say this is too unsubtle

>>23995494
Schizo cope.

>>23988821
Just look at his daughter and their entire business model

We who wrestle with God are Israel.
Israel is The Everybody.
The Everybody has one enemy, The Nobody.

>>23988899
He's not hiding it, he's outright said before that he doesn't believe in a historical Jesus.
He just used Christianity as some jungian myth for why monkeys need to behave a certain way.