Which do you prefer
>>24844887Baudelaire obviously. Rimbaud is one of the most overrated poets of all time.
>>24844887the one who subjugated natives in africa, not the one who got his asshole subjugated
>>24844887What is the best translation of Illuminations?What else should I check out by Baudelaire other than his two anthologies?
>>24844893Poetry is fucking gay anyway.
>Ah ! race d’Abel, ta charogne>Engraissera le sol fumant !>Race de Caïn, ta besogne>N’est pas faite suffisamment ;>Race d’Abel, voici ta honte :>Le fer est vaincu par l’épieu !>Race de Caïn, au ciel monte>Et sur la terre jette Dieu !Based!
>>24844887They're both great, but Baudelaire is really something special. I think the development of poetry would look more or less the same without Rimbaud, but I'm not sure that's the case for Baudelaire.
>>24844887Mallarmé
>>24844923>Poetry is fucking gayJust like Rimbaud.
>>24845135he is the least gay frenchman
>>24844931holy based
baudelaire, and it's not even fucking close.
>>24844913cant help you,i read them in french.rare win for the ESL bros.
Mallarmé > Rimbaud > BaudelaireBaudelaire is just the easiest to translate, hence why anglos usually pick him. He is the weakest of the lot by far. Mallarmé reigns supreme though and thats not debatable.>>24844966It’s literally the other way around. Baudelaire’s influence on poetry is marginal next to Rimbaud’s. Les Fleurs du Mal was published AFTER Leaves of Grass btw, tells you how dusty Baudelaire’s stuff was.
oh and btw : Verlaine’s poetics still are, to this day, a LOT fresher than Baudelaire’s, but you guys aren’t ready for that conversation yet. Baudelaire is a modern in tone only.
Love Rimbaud - After the Flood is my favourite poem by any writer. I feel like our imaginations work in similar ways (mine far inferior ofc). I love the scope of his world, the hotels amid the polar ice, his Gaulish ancestors getting beaten up in the ancient forests, but it never feels epic and grandiose, it feels a fleeting glimpse of something bright and exhilarating, arctic breeze on your face. Baudelaire I like in theory but found harder to get into. I think he's spoken about as a poet of 'sensations', as if a poem of his is a little draught of something intoxicating that slips into you and overwhelms you, but for me the poems evoke the more detached 'aesthetic' feeling of looking at a fixed tableau, an ornate object or gothic ruin or crime scene photo, which I have to contemplate and explore. Very cool in its own way, but also very different from the breezy immediacy of Rimbaud.
Mallarmé didn't write that much
homosex with Rimbaud
>>24846367Basé et rougepillé
>>24844923It's not meant to be read by non-white men like (You).
19th century French poetry is unparalleled, isn't it?>Victor Hugo>Stéphane Mallarmé>Arthur Rimbaud>Paul Verlaine>Charles Baudelaire>Gérard de Nerval>Aloysius Bertrand>Jules Laforgue>Maurice de GuérinThere's probably a few more I can't remember right now.
>>2484757718th century anglo poetry beats it
>>24848030English poetry was born and died under Elizabeth
>>24847577Sad you missed this absolute Chad. Proust called him the greatest poet of the century with Baudelaire.
rimbaud > mallarme > lautreamont > baudelairemy secret pick is tailhade but im pretty sure he hasnt been translated yet
>>24848320>but im pretty sure he hasnt been translated yetgood
>>2484757716th/17th century England destroys it.SidneySpenserChapmanDanielMarloweShakespeareCampionJonsonDonneHerrickCarewMiltonMarvellDrydenetc.
>>24848578Who is the English Baudelaire
>>24848595translated Baudelaire. what a silly question.
>>24848595his mentor>And neither the angels in Heaven above>Nor the demons down under the sea>Can ever dissever my soul from the soul>Of the beautiful Annabel Lee
>>24848600Poe is American though. Well, I guess you mean English language.
>>24848739yup one of the few times the frogs were inspired by lil bro
>>24848595Swinburne? Eliot?
>>24848750>SwinburneWrote an elegy for the death of Baudie >EliotNow we're talking
>>24848600Baudelaire would pray to this nigga every morning lmao
Man, free thinker! do you think that you alonewithin this world are the only thing that thinks?
>>24848578>16th/17th century Englandoverrated as hell
>>24846434I honestly don't see Rimbaud's influence is so great. Even in France people don't actually care about him because of the poetry. I am not saying this as an insult but as a mere observation.
>>24844887It's a tie. Baudelaire would have loved Rimbaud--does love Rimbaud.
>>24846442Baudelaire goes very deep, why Weininger said he was the greatest French man. I don't think you can regard Verlaine as a great man in the same say. Maybe his effects are more exquisite because his form is more liberated
>>24849341What is the definition of "great" here? He might have been a good poet but he was, ultimately, just a whiny bitch.
>>24848595>Who is the English BaudelaireThomson
>>24844887Who's the lesbian on the right?
>>24849370Greatness may be defined as the reverse of whatever you are, based on such a comment as that.
>>24849400that's my wife
>>24849144Rimbaud is hugely influential to 20th century poetry, particularly American and Latin American poetry. But he was probably even more influential as a persona. That being said, Baudelaire is the much better poet.
>>24846434>Baudelaire is just the easiest to translateNo he isn’t, he actually can’t be translated because much of his poetry strictly adheres to French poetic metre, but of course you didn’t know this because you’re a monolingual retard that has only read him in translation. Rimbaud is the easiest to translate btw.
