Which of my sisters will be making a lesbian romance story now that the lesbian romance tag has been added?
Actually quote me on this in the future: it's going to be a growing trend

Lonesome this holiday? Maybe you'd like to escape that with a horror novella that I'll probably never publish anywhere. It's a 20K-word dark academia thing about an unlikable bookworm's obsession with a new student.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14A4lj21fMUZt7fUdt8NQSmoITbBW1ARAYgpObLavjOI/edit?usp=sharing

>>24845802
>the lesbian romance tag has been added
To what? Where?

>>24845829
RoyalRoad added the Lesbian_Romance tag which means you can sort by it globally (and add to your own fic). A new age is here, sister

>>24845833
Oh, I forgot the sloppers are still here.

>>24845842
>300/400 of last thread
>Oh, I forgot
are you retarded

i'm rubber ducking off of ai trying to work out some possible terms for chemical propellant firearms in a setting where this is the lowest tier of gun tech
for some reason grok REALLY hates "c-prop" (as in chemical propellant)

>>24845845
Just keep in mind that many of us here don't give a shit about RR

>>24845852
"many of us"
>look inside
>/wg/ slowed to a crawl the moment /wng/ formed
you are in the minority litfic buddy

>>24845852
>most of us
when this thread literally 20x'd in speed is so fucking funny

>>24845847
Imagine if you took all the time you’ve spent working on trivial details like this and instead used it to work on plot, structure, characterization, dialogue, or anything else of value

>>24845847
If it's the lowest tier of gun tech, it was probably invented first.
Why not just call them guns?

You can call railguns/coilguns linear motor rifles or whatever.

>>24845854
>>24845856
>appeal to population
>deliberate misquote
really starting to miss those slow threads...

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>>24845792
Im so sorry anon, you're going to have your halloween themed thread shat on by schizos
I think im done with /wng/ anyway, i think i got everything i could possibly want from it, im going to stop posting /lit/ altogether and concentrate on writing instead of shitposting
To the people that actually helped: Thanks, it actually meant a lot to me
To the schizos: Fuck you, especially to the fag that couldn't stop posting RI

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>>24845858
i my brain goblins WILL NOT let me continue unless i convince them it makes sense/fits

>>24845861
common vernacular is like this, but the pov character is used to particle accelerators and railguns, so he regards chemical firearms as the exception to his experience

I’m afraid to write unless I have a masterful passage in front of me whose structure I can imitate, because I don’t want to write formless unprincipled amateurish slop. On the other hand, this self-imposed requirement kills the spontaneity of the act of writing, and I rarely feel any catharsis after I finish these exercises. So I wind up fantasizing all day about writing, believing I could be very good at it, chastising myself for not doing it, and yet never doing it. Ad nauseam. Anyone have experience with this kind of paralysis?

>>24845864
Bye bitch. We'll see you tomorrow.

>>24845868
it's not that deep nigga it doesn't need a separate name
if you HAVE to do it just call it a chem gun, but that's retarded

>>24845873

i'll go with c-prop

>>24845869
I'm very curious to see what you wrote "imitating" the "structure" of "masterful passages"

>>24845862
>uses the word many
>appeal to population
I could not be this retarded if I tried. I'm studying your style to afflict further threads

>>24845876
I’ll write something just for you. Give me a little bit.

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>>24845878
>pointing out that you can't talk about Royal Road here without providing context = appeal to population

>>24845886
>many of us don't care about RR
>implying we should give full context for every conversation so the 5% knows what's going on
How about no? We don't give a shit about you? Lurk more. This is how this thread is now.

>>24845864
>m going to stop posting /lit/ altogether and concentrate on writing instead of shitposting
See you tomorrow!

RRshitters gtfo
RIshitter buy a fucking ad
Jannies kys

>>24845891
nta but ive made this claim before and...yeah im here still. so will anon. we've all been through that

>>24845890
Okay little buddy but you'll have to stand boomers like me not knowing what the fuck you're talking about

>>24845896
no worries. boomers should learn more about how the world works--just don't bitch about it. try google first before whining about how you're confused

>>24845869
>I don’t want to write formless unprincipled amateurish slop
I don't have that kind of paralysis because I don't care about things like this. Good prose is great, but it's a great tool. It's just a means to an end. Trying to turn language qua language into an artform is missing the point of language, which is fundamentally about communicating ideas to an audience. I understand why people go down this path, but I also see it as sterile and disordered. It is a betrayal of the very substance of writing. I would rather be a terrible writer who actually has something to say. I'd rather read that terrible writing, too.

>>24845904
I completely agree. When I said formless amateurish slop I wasn’t referring to prose style, I was referring to the structure and composition of the substance itself, the story. I don’t care about style. But give me a minute, I have to write an imitation for that other anon.

this anon's casually confident response will represent all of /wg/. you stand behind him, right?

>>24845828
I only read a few pages worth, but I'll finish later. You should publish it. It captures the voice of an unpleasant girl very well.

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>fiction writers arguing over what is and isn't slop when their entire medium is but a pale imitation of the true art of poetry

>>24845911
Slop has worth in fun.
Purple prose leaves me wanting.
/wg/ has no soul.

Like half of the western canon was slop mainstream fiction back in the day

>>24845911
I tried reading poetry and just couldn't get into it

>>24845922
Does this mean New Life as a Max Level Archmage will be western canon in 100 years?

>>24845926
im gonna have to force myself to read this because i'm still half-convinced i'm right about it being hype built on hype

>wake up
>fried
>write 1800 words anyway
>first chapter of a new fiction for the writathon
>fuck up saving it (linux bs) and it disappears into the void
>rage out
>convince myself to go to the gym
>decide while I'm out I'm sick and can't go to the gym
>buy a box of cookies and eat them at home
>trying to practice mental selfcare and failing
>check RR
>today's prewritten chapter drop got a ton of comments and I got almost exactly the reactions I was aiming for from readers
>feel a little better
Tomorrow will be a new day. I also ai generated a cover for it that's passable. And I should have recovered some caffeine sensitivity by tomorrow morning, too, hopefully.

Not sure anymore if I want to invest heavily into ads for the new story. I'll see if I can hit 5k words written tomorrow.

>>24845927
>I've gotta look into this Marvel Avengers shit, it's made billions and billions of dollars
>Wtf, it's ass?
>Guess it's the jews and market manipulation
Really looking forward to your brilliant input

>>24845932
>Not sure anymore if I want to invest heavily into ads for the new story.
I guess if you're a newb this is fine but if you consider yourself an experienced author settled into your style, you should only pursue stories you feel confident in, and are willing to invest in

>>24845792
Is using inner dialogue a bad thing when making a pulp-action fight scene?

>>24845932
>>fuck up saving it (linux bs) and it disappears into the void
Never use writing software that doesn't have snapshots

>>24845945
Scrivener with auto-backups saved to cloud. Not just the most feature-rich writing software, but multiple layers of security

RRshitters gtfo
RIshitter buy a fucking ad
Jannies kys
Poetryfag kys

>>24845944
Almost nothing is inherently bad. If the inner dialogue is quick and snappy as fitting an action scene, totally fine

>>24845951
>undermine and kill /wng/
>complain about the /wng/ refugees in /wg/
Sasuga

kysfag gtfo and kys
all else welcome in this inclusionary space

>>24845945
>>24845947
It was a weird fumble because I was so brain fried and distracted by bullshit out out my window
>writing in librewriter
>have a kwrite window open with notes
>save odt file in writer
>save notes in kwriter
>somehow kwriter saved over the odt while it was open in writer
>distracted, close librewriter window
>all gone
I nearly punched a hole in my wall. It was the fucking worst. Tomorrow I'm going to be more careful.

>>24845938
It's a new style but this will be my fifth book this year. I figure it's worth it because I can run 2-3 ads for the new fiction as part of writathon, and then shoutout my other novel every other chapter to double dip. I've got enough patreon earnings to kind of make it worth it, although this is going to be a shorter fiction, just one book, so I won't see ongoing patreon revenue. I may not break even on it any time soon if I spend more than eg $165 on three short ads.

On the other hand hitting RS would be huge for my older project and for a future project I'm planning to start up in January.

>>24845955
I didn't do anything to your faggot containment thread, I've never posted on it, I've never opened a thread. It's not mine or our fault that you don't have a thread, but for some reason you're here making it mine and our problem. You're not writers, you're fucking 40 year old danger haired "bisexual" goth Wattpad romance tier slopshitters, and you have no business being in /wg/.

>>24845967
aw, is widdle baby seething? widdle baby having a meltie, huh? need some heckin real litcherature affirmations, huh? yeah, you'll prove them all wrong soon, you'll join the western new literary canon soon enough.

>>24845966
Addendum: I just set up Librewriter to automatically snapshot and backup every 5 minutes from now on.

>>24845967
>I'm a clueless boomer
>Blames 40 yo stereotypes
pick a lane retard. nothing worse than inconsistent writing

>>24845973
You should really just spend 5 minutes to learn how to pirate the office suite. It's comically easy these days. literally a command you run in terminal (and open source code community project that's verified as safe)

>>24845979
>>24845973
actually idk why I sent that. don't use word it's fucking shit
buy scriv and use that. actually novel writing software is best for novel writing, who would've thought. word tweaks out at high word counts

>>24845847
YWNBAW. AI has become so pervasive to the craft it's fucking sickening. How about you find a community or rubber duck with some friends? What makes you confident enough to admit outsourcing creative thought like this?

>>24845980
Writer's been fine up to 170k words with me, before I started splitting volumes into different files.
It's been completely fine until today, where a confluence of factors conspired to fuck me. Twist: the factors were me, making various bad decisions over periods of time, which all struck in a crucial moment. O hubris...

I've heard some good things about scrivener but I'm allergic to buying software and really just want my word processor to stay out of my way. Librewriter has been doing that for me since the openoffice days.

>>24845982
I don't like bothering people with asking for feedback because I don't like being bothered for feedback. Either way people rarely if ever give good feedback when asked.

AI doesn't give good feedback either, I always get annoyed at how retarded it is, but it does show me shit I don't want to do and indirectly helps me figure out what I do want to do

>>24845988
>I've heard some good things about scrivener but I'm allergic to buying software and really just want my word processor to stay out of my way.
i can't strictly vouch because it's not opensource, but i downloaded scrivener on fileCR 6 years ago and haven't run into any viruses or shit. if you're that insistent on it being free
honestly though scriv is kinda universally the novel writing software and it's worth dropping a measly 60$ on unless you're a 3rd wordler where that's 2 years of living

>>24845988
have you considered piracy

how do people post to 4chan and don't know how to pirate software lol

>>24845990
Using a tool that annoys you to teach what NOT to do and 'indirectly' coach you vs. reciprocating feedback for other creatives in the effort to grow stronger as writers. Let me huff some of that copium, you greedy little cunt. I'd take 10 pages of dogshit opinion on my prose from another human over a 4 second artificial reply that can't feel or express interest in themes, wordplay, setup...

>>24845988
>>24845993
Obsidian is simple and has a free version. I find myself gravitating more towards that over scrivener considering how easy it is to nest documents and create flow diagrams.

>>24846005
>Obsidian is simple and has a free version
isn't obsidian markdown based? this is only viable if it just sits on your harddrive and you aren't actually a working author

>>24845876
>>24845880
Alright anon, here’s what I wrote.

…Sometimes we ran into a twenty-four hour deli on a deserted corner, with its neon sign flickering red, and the junkies standing outside the door, some hunched over and drooling in an opiate haze, some eyeing us greedily like we were pieces of meat, seemed very strange - as if they were held there captive by a spell. Eddie or Charlie would go in and buy some more food, and then on we went again into the dark, past dilapidated alleys, through the abandoned backstreets, between the high walls of the skyscrapers, reverberating in harsh echoes the rasping wheels of the shopping cart. Buildings, buildings, hundreds of buildings, massive, immense, extending into the black sky; and at their foot, hugging the curb and dodging the waterlogged potholes, crept our little beat-up cart, like a sluggish beetle crawling on the floor of an enormous jungle. It made you feel very small, very lost, and yet it wasn’t entirely depressing, that feeling. After all, if you were small, the grimy beetle crawled on, which is just what you wanted it to do. Where Eddie and Charlie imagined it crawled to I don’t know. To some place where they expected to score something, I bet. For me it crawled toward Judee - exclusively; but when one of the back wheels finally stopped rolling and started to scrape against the pavement, we crawled very slow. The streets opened before us and closed behind, as if the buildings had stepped across the asphalt to block the way back. We penetrated deeper and deeper into the heart of the city…

>>24846010
do you seriously think this is something anyone besides yourself wants to read

>>24846005
holy seethe

>>24845996
Yeah but it turns out Writer even has an epub output option so I wound up not needing it, other than Sigil because I had trouble with the the cover image. I'm beyond the point in my life where I'll pirate software to try out without a serious intent to use it.

>>24846005
I've heard of Obsidian as well but...

I'm just used to Librewriter.
Even this snafu I blame more on kwrite and debian giving permission to overwrite files that are open in another program. I'm sure there's a way to set write protections on files but I can't be assed to learn them.

If I need to make diagrams I'll use sticky notes and legal pads. And before Writer I actually wrote a few abortive novel attempts entirely in notepad.exe

>>24846007
It is. I use their Sync service to make it available on my phone and other devices. Wouldn't call myself a working author, but I find its easy to update and keep all my notes well presented, wiki-style. I could never get comfortable in Scrivener's interface, but might've overthought it after importing too many templates to test out.

>>24846013
Consider killing yourself, AI shitter.

>>24846015
Fair. Stick to what you're used to. After a certain point you've got so much centralized that it's a pain to import it to something else. Understandable.

>>24846012
I (someone else) wanted to read it, which is why I asked. Retard.

>>24846010
A neat scene. What's it an "imitation" of? How much of an imitation is it?

>>24846012
I guess not. But it’s just an exercise after all, and probably better than what I would have come up with just freestyling. Maybe you can post your work too and show me what readable writing looks like.

>>24846015
dude if you're taking writing at all seriously just research the various softwares, find out that scrivener, word, or docs is what 99.9% of serious authors use, and pick one to commit to. stop listening to every random fucktard

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>>24846010
Your sentences are far, far too long. Really, you've got run-on sentences and comma splices and it makes the eye glaze over as I read it: nothing of import is conveyed.
It CAN be okay to write long sentences, even run-on sentences. But you better be able to diagram those sentences and explain what each clause and phrase is doing.

What are you even attempting to do with this passage?

>>24846017
>le using le ai in any way for anything means you are litcherally generating your entire novel using ai sloppa!
buddy, you're tipping at windmills

>>24846019
yeah i didn't mean in the sense of an outside observer interested academically in a peer's writing style. i meant actual readers which I guess /wg/ doesn't understand at all
>>24846020
it isn't bad structurally speaking, don't mistake me. it's just not what readers today want to read. you're masturbating. if you enjoy it, sure, whatever. but don't delude yourself.
>pyw
are you serious? the only people who post their work are nobodies with nothing to lose

Obsidian is good for making notes. Like you can make a note for each character, location, scene etc and link them up so you don't forget in the future who did what. Basically an offline wiki with backups.
I wouldn't actually write the story itself in it though.

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>>24846026
tilting. tilting at windmills. maybe i SHOULD actually use ai, at least for spellcheck.

>>24846019
It’s an imitation of Heart of Darkness, a paragraph early on in part two. Instead of Marlow sailing on the on the Congo river to reach Kurtz, it’s this narrator pushing his cart into the center of a drug-infested city to reach Judee. I copy the sentence structure as exactly as I can while still sounding natural, just changing out Conrad’s content for my own. I feel like this exercise helps me get a feel for composing scenes.

>>24846021
>stop listening to every random fucktard
Anon I'm expressing polite disinterest in changing from my habit of using librewriter even though I had a tragically emotional morning. I'm not actually going to switch. I grew up before computers were good at much so most of the "writing" process I do mentally in my own head anyway. The computer and software are just a convenient way to import and store text that I already drafted myself, and need merely transcribe into reality.

>dude if you're taking writing at all seriously
I'mma be real with you chap: this is a hobby. I'm a dilettante. I've already made my fortune and now advertise myself as an author as a way to reverse-launder my money, so people think me poor but don't question why I never need employment.

>>24846027
A reader is a reader, anon. I'm interested in anon's material. I'm assuming you're a /wng/ refugee and put off by anon not writing at a 3rd grade level

>>24846033
>I'mma be real with you chap: this is a hobby. I'm a dilettante.
ah yeah i misunderstood
>>24846033
>I've already made my fortune and now advertise myself as an author as a way to reverse-launder my money, so people think me poor but don't question why I never need employment.
fuck you're just the crypto neet fag who sometimes poses as a real writer. goddamnit

>>24846031
That's a cool exercise but it's a bit like biking with training wheels or swimming in the shallow end of the pool.

>>24846023
Yeah I can see how the first few sentences especially are pretty awkward. This passage is an imitation of a section of Heart of Darkness, like I said here >>24846031

>>24845934
i doubt there was any market manipulation. probably just normal marketing. i'm also not sure why jewish people would care about one litrpg fiction over another. maybe you're too young to remember very many fads, but they typically come and go without the need for any grand conspiracy.

>>24846035
>I'm interested in anon's material.
yeah and you're the only person who will actually read that shit. yes, i'm a /wng/ fag, who has actual readers, readers who enjoy my writing. i have nothing but disdain for you masturbating fake writers.

Jannies just fucking nuke this general too

>>24846027
Well thanks for the parts of your post that were compliments. I don’t care about being read by readers today

>>24846044
I think webnovel readers enjoy what they read as much as heavy drug addicts enjoy their high.

>>24846047
>I don’t care about being read
should really just be /wg/s tagline

>>24846026
>>24846030
People wrote books for hundreds of fuckin' years before the dawn of AI. You're allowing yourself to interrupt the creative process by being an asocial faggot. Not letting YOURSELF think or engage a community with your prose to gauge not only interest but opinion and criticism. There is nothing one of those language learning models used primarily as sex bots can teach you that you can't learn by talking to other writers or studying your proposed craft independently. If you're even the same anon and not some shitposting interloper, you're ALLEGEDLY reverse engineering ideas from its piss poor ability to analyze yours.

Do you not see the feedback loop? What we read also influences our writing, and letting these fuck doll machines glaze you day in and day out isn't doing you any favors. Make a fuckin' writing group and stop talking to a machine. Find people who challenge you and filter out those that don't. It's a process.

>The slop general had better writing than the writing general
The jokes write themselves.

>>24846052
>talking to other writers
Shan't be talking with bored middle aged women that will complain about not enough gays

>>24846051
Some of us care more about writing than being read. I know that's a foreign concept, but please try to remember you're not on the /get rich quick/ general

>>24846038
>who sometimes poses as a real writer.
Technically, I AM a real writer. That's what's so great about it.

>>24846042
As a writing exercise, I think you would get more out of it if you could identify each clause and phrase and how it contributes to the overall narrative of Heart of Darkness, rather than just swapping out the parts and seeing how it looks. I think your prose will be empty and purple if you continue on like this and just add a bunch of introspection and extended metaphor to your own story later without knowing why you're talking about beetles, other than that Joseph Conrad did so.

Also, if I might be so bold, I would suggest that perhaps modern audiences aren't as interested in deep introspective and reflective characters facing moral quandaries and dilemmas so much as they crave bland self-inserts who hit things with swords and shoot fireballs from their hands.

>>24846057
the thing is you're shit at writing and you use your retarded 90iq "passion" to think you're misunderstood when nobody at all likes your garbage
guess what? even the literary greats are respected by normies. you're just shit and rejecting public opinion further plunges you into delusion

>>24845908
Interesting. I completely misunderstood what you meant, sorry. I've considered doing something like that myself, as practice. Reading this:
>>24846010
Made me think you might be onto something. I'd kill to be able to write that descriptively.

>>24846057
It's honestly baffling to me to see an influx of writers on this board who are apparently mainly profit-motivated. There's so many better, less risky fields to put your time and energy into if your primary goal is to make money lol.

>>24846061
You seem to be doing some heavy projecting my friend

>>24846060
Thank you for reading and giving me advice, anon. I agree with you. I think I’m gonna focus on preserving the mood and dramatic structure rather than trying to replicate the syntax of the sentences as closely as possible. It just makes it sound awkward. As far as what modern audiences are interested in, that is not why I want to write

>>24846066
being profit motivated and wanting to write in a way that interests others is not the same thing
/wg/ tards literally just masturbate in the most unpleasant ways imaginable

>>24846061
>even the literary greats are respected by normies.
Have you ever even TALKED to a normie, anon? Ask them about Shakespeare or Melville or Tolstoy and report back to me.

And before you get retarded, no I'm not saying anyone in this thread is a Shakespeare or Melville or Tolstoy. That's not the point. The point is that general audiences today absolutely do NOT respect or appreciate the literary greats.

>>24846052
>Do you not see the feedback loop?
What feeback loop? The feedback loop of throwing a ball at a wall and it bouncing? My use of grok is as such:

>Me: "What do I call X"
>Grok: (retarded generic aislop answer)
>Me: *skims the first line, gets annoyed, closes grok, immediately forgets and reopens gdocs*
alternative step 3
>Me:*skims the first line, which is retarded enough to make me chuckle, closes grok, reopens gdocs, forgets what retarded thing grok said 5 mins later*

I'm using it as less than even a glorified 8 ball man
That's why I described it as rubber ducking, a rubber duck doesn't talk back, at most you squeeze it and it makes a noise, that's what Grok is to me
It has no input to give, it just spits out vaguely semi-coherent bullshit with no actual substance

>>24846068
how am i projecting? be specific

>>24846061
I’m the one who wrote the imitation and I’m not whoever you’re fighting with, anon.

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>>24846056
Stimulating conversation, thanks for engaging.

>>24846073
Then buy a physical rubber duck, dipshit. Don't waste your time with whatever process you have with grok.

>>24846072
yeah dipshit I'm talking about NORMIE READERS, not the clueless sheep walking around like zombies
hilarious that you brought up shakespeare

>>24846065
No worries man. I think it’s a good exercise. I came from music and pretty much the ultimate method to improve your musicality is to copy the structure of great melodies while altering the content to your own thing. I figured it might be useful for writing as well.

The Reverend Insanity Grok Litfic Imitation just flew over my house

>>24846074
You're trying to dunk on me for not being respected in my field while being a webnovel writer.

>>24846071
I'd like to write to an audience, but a mass audience? I'm not sure. Theoretically, yes, but I don't know if it's possible to write something worth reading in this day and age that the masses would like. I don't think it's like it was in Dickens' day where you could be a populist writer and still be have something worthwhile to say about life or society.

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>>24846076
no i don't think i will buy a rubber duck, smacking the slopmachine and watching it choke out another character named Kael is funnier to me

>>24846066
I'm pretty profit-motivated because I hate working for other people and I'm not good at anything except writing. I

>>24846057
>Some of us care more about the music than being heard
>Some of us care more about the painting than being seen
>Some of us care more about developing games than being played
Okay? I write what I want to write, for myself, and I still wouldn't say this. I want people to tell me what they think and make something people enjoy reading. This line of thinking just sounds like deflection. If someone just wanted to write for the sake of it, they'd just have a diary.
>>24846066
Some of us just like when writing tells a clear and easy to read story that isn't up its own ass.

>>24846080
how is this at all a comeback
>my masturbation isn't respected but so what?!?!
>>24846082
yeah so it doesn't have to be a mass audience. lots of niche shit gets readers. it's the total disregard to writing to anyone besides yourself that I don't respect.

if you want to jerk your meat and be proud of it, i'd respect it, but don't pretend you're a nascent literary master. you're just some fucking retard trying to ape literary masters very poorly and smugly pretending you're their equal. it's so skin-crawlingly gross

>>24846082
>I don't think it's like it was in Dickens' day where you could be a populist writer and still be have something worthwhile to say about life or society.
Personally I think this is 100% a skill issue. On the one hand, skill issue in having something worthwhile to say, and on the other hand, skill issue in being able to communicate that information well.

The human condition hasn't changed, even though society and the world drastically has. How could there not be anything worth saying about it?

>>24846088
>but don't pretend you're a nascent literary master
Perhaps he is in closed cultivation, and is not to be bothered from his meditation for the next one hundred years.

Raiding someone else's general doesn't make it yours.

>>24846088
I am not these other anons that you’re arguing with. I’m also not trying to pretend I’m Conrad or anything. I was just trying out an exercise to see if it could teach me something about writing. I write because I find it fun. Why are you so angry, man

your thread literally deleted ours. whine about it bitch

>>24846086
Selling books (or their internet equivalents) is fundamentally a different process than writing books. It's not a worse thing, it's just a different thing. They shouldn't be conflated unless one is very clear about the differences first.

>>24846094
like i said
>if you want to jerk your meat and be proud of it, i'd respect it
and i mean that
or do you not categorize yourself in that way? if not, i feel disdain towards you too. answer.

>>24846093
Blame the jannies for killing the general which we made specifically to avoid this situation. Also blame RIfag for causing that pruning. We don't want to deal with you pretentious fucktards either.

>>24845910
Thank you for your words of support, anon

>>24846094
I think he's rather young. The passions haven't cooled quite yet, so he feels very strongly about very many things.

>I'm 40 years old and posting on 4chan and take comfort in this
yikes. i really hope I don't end up like that

>>24846102
You're here forever

>>24846103
possibly, but not yet. a potential failure is not the same as a failure

>>24846097
I wouldn’t call it masturbating. If I go for a hike in the woods or go for a run, just to enjoy myself and do something active, is that masturbatory? Writing is just a fun activity for me. Another anon suggested I should post some work so I did. I don’t claim to be a good writer, or even a writer at all. Sorry if you feel disdain toward me dude

>>24846102
You will unless you get out now. Trust me anon, I once was 16 posting here and thinking to myself "If I ever got to 30 and still posted on this website I'd definitely kill myself." And here I am, on the cusp of my 30th birthday, posting on 4chan.

Run, anon. While you still can.

>>24846107
you seem chill so i'm not raging at you, necessarily, hence why I don't > your posts until you kept fucking >'ing me to force me to respond
but yes, generally speaking, you're clearly a masturbatory writer. you write entirely to satisfy yourself

Why are webniggers raiding this general when RIfag is a pest that crawl out of /sffg/?

because the /wg/ fag is posing as him and spamming new threads. it's not the RI tard himself, I'm very confident in that

>>24845911
I'm too autistic (literally, diagnosed) to understand the appeal of poetry.

>>24846120
No excuse. Percy Shelley was definitely an autist and look what he did. Also Emily Dickinson too. And HP Lovecraft wasn't a bad poet either and his level of autism would put most channers to shame.

>>24846119
>T. RIfag trying to frame us

>>24846128
this is the RI fag btw

I wrote this one the other day using Steppenwolf. Not my favorite book but Hesse is obviously better than me and it was all I had on hand at the hostel where I’m staying.

The day went by just as days go by. I killed it with my empty and repetitive way of life. I made love to Megan and read a few more pages of Dante. I tanned on the beach like all the other tourists. I had I got a headache and ordered a few drinks to soothe it. We got shrimp cocktails for lunch at a tiki bar on the shore. The phone had rang three times in the hotel, probably Harry with some unbelievable network opportunity to tell me about, which I ignored. I did my breathing exercises, but I didn’t feel like doing my thought exercises. I swam laps in the resort pool for an hour, and got out feeling exhilarated and refreshed. It really felt great. So did making love to Megan, and so did reading Dante. But all in all it hadn’t exactly been a day in heaven. No, it hadn’t even been a day brightened by happiness or joy. Really it had just been one of those days which for a long time now have made up my life. The moderately pleasant, the entirely bearable and tolerable, lukewarm days of a pathetic middle-aged man. Days without much pain, without any stress, without worry, without despair. Days in which the idea of swimming out into the ocean without swimming back could be considered without agitation or anxiety, quietly and matter-of-factly.

I replaced Steppenwolf with Don Draper.

RI is deeply transcoded btw
The MC temporarily turns into a women twice
Another character does it permanently

>>24846110
Okay, I’ll stop replying to you then anon. If doing stuff to satisfy myself makes me masturbatory then I’m cool with that. Good luck with everything

>>24846132
>into a women
hi RI fag. your ESL is showing

>>24846106
You misunderstand, it is not a matter of failure
The one who spends long here cannot leave simply because having become accustomed to this place, you will find normalfags intolerable and vapid

>>24846134
>If doing stuff to satisfy myself makes me masturbatory then I’m cool with that
Doing something -entirely- to satisfy yourself is the definition of masturbation. And you admitted to not giving a shit about spreading a message, writing to entertain, writing to inspire, or anything else. You are as delusional as all of the other /wg/ fags if you think that's anything besides masturbation

>>24846137
>you will find normalfags intolerable and vapid
>intolerable and vapid
So just like 4channers?

>>24846140
A different brand of such

hes right though, it becomes impossible to ignore that normalfags are pretending and not just a little bit. At least 4chins is sincere in their retardation.

>but I'm not jerking my cock so it's not masturbation
>doesn't matter that it's purely intended as a dopamine-inducing act that only involves myself
>it's not LITERALLY masturbating so why does anon keep using that word???

>>24846098
Jannies aren't shitting up this thread, RIfag isn't shitting up this thread. /wng/ is.

breaks the peace
cries about the broken peace
yeah we don't care

>>24846138
Well if I ever manage to write something I really love then I’d probably share it. But I think I’d be happier knowing that one person was deeply moved by something I wrote as opposed to many people being amused or entertained by something I didn’t put my whole heart into and which was designed not to express my innermost thoughts but to appeal to as many people as possible. But like I said, these are imaginary possibilities and I am not a writer

>>24846147
>I am not a writer
at least you're honest

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>>24846143
maybe you should go machine gun deathgrip beat your bloodshot semichub with your roided doomfist sometime, it might help you shit out that xxl horse dildo you've got lodged up there in place of a spine
you baffle christendom by crawling out of the biowaste bucket at the abortion clinic

don't have too much of a meltie now

>>24846144
It's an improvement, or you can go back to the IQ thing from the start of the thread.

uh oh I got under his skin

>>24846163
>hurhurhur i got shit thrown at me after throwing shit over the wall me big winner

BIG MELTIE lol

I don't get it, what higher purpose is there than to entertain as many readers as possible? Is it an ego thing, to want to share one's innermost thoughts and have other people care? I just can't bring myself to esteem others enough to care what they think of my innermost thoughts: I assume they would find them abhorrent.
At least entertaining the masses is measurable, like a game.
Is this just terminal solipsism?

sociopathic rant, yeah wg standard
all the greats you respected wanted to convey a message and influence their fellow man. it's human. you arent human.

>>24846146
You're suffering from paranoid schizophrenic delusions, these are invasive thoughts you're having. Nobody here did anything to your containment thread, nobody here cares about it or you at all.

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>Your submission has been received!

he thinks it'll do anything lol

>>24846170
Obviously you just want to get rich quick. There can be no other reason you don't write solely for yourself.

>>24846170
Soulless

making strawmen is how I survive my mediocrity

>>24846192
I simply turn my enemies into cartoon caricatures and kill them in filler chapters

>get rich quick
/wng/ OP guides outright say you have to write long term to realistically see any success. It's not presented as a get rich quick scheme but just another self pub pathway.

someday my genius will be dug up out of 1000000000 discarded harddrives and recognized post mortem like authors of yore

>>24846197
It says that because 90% of websloppers think of it as a get-rich-quick scheme. Note that /wg/ needs no such disclaimer.

grifter fag is the wg troll, big shocker
how's your thread?

>>24846204
This thread is quite nice, someone even complimented my crazy horror novella

at least he cares about readers. definite cognitive dissonance tho

>>24846099
Holy shit that went off the rails. Pretty good wacko-bitch suspiria type of story. Worth the read.

holy cringe hes same fagging?

>>24846194
This was the last post of Halloween where I'm at.

>>24846187
Good luck!

>>24846190
Who though? Me, or the world?
Either way at least I'm having fun.

>>24846170
Take it from someone who has seen everything you have, and more: you're not special.

>>24846221
Please masturbate in silence, it's a private activity.

>>24846212
>tfw a reader gets exactly what you're going for
Feels good man. Thank you anon

hes really samefagging this hard. even for wg this is a new low

>>24846227
I have hundreds of followers on royal road.
I aim to please my readers.

Rifag thread died because someone actually bothered to look into it and it got exposed as LGBTQ+ fiction
>>24846092
>>24846174
All this time enduring his spam and we could have ended it long ago.

>>24846234
Why don't you read the novella, find its flaws, and shit all over it? That would sure show me

I hate trying to balance between skipping to the interesting parts of the story and not having it devolve into an "and then" affair.

now he's begging lol

>>24846290
One more try let's leave the /wg/ Frens alone.

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>>24846297
>Moderators, this community started off well, all I'm asking for 24 hours chance to prove ourselves. Let the sins of one not ruin joy of many.

>>24846297
>>24846300
Falseflag thread by /wg/ hard liners who want to deport us
/wg/ is rightful clay for web novels and we aren't going anywhere again.
Gas all trad pubs, prose war now

>>24846297
>that OP
damn could you make it anymore obvious?

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Don't hate on web novels, it's still a young medium
The slop of today will become the thought-provoking classics of tomorrow

I'm kind of like a litrpg bro, except instead of rpgs I'm simulating incest eroge.

>>24846297
>Renaming it to /wsg/
>Excluding all the links
>"Ps: Moderators, this community started off well, all I'm asking for 24 hours chance to prove ourselves. Let the sins of one not ruin joy of many."
Lmao, fuck off.

>>24846388
Too bad the new jannies already quit and won't do their job. It's like they expected to get paid or something

>>24846309
are there fans of 11/22/63?

>>24846388
You moron, you fool, you absolute fucking imbecile I deliberately omitted them for a fucking reason. Every new wng has been banned except the homoerotic fan yuan stuff. For whatever reason.
Those links can all be added after that specific general runs it course hell we could even pivot back to the original name. Don't you guys see your destroying /wg/ in the process. The whole reason/wng/ was made was to separate from the "serious writers". And cater to less serious more genre driven things. It became reader central because there had been no webnovel specific area in the past, not successfully atleast. I'm trying to cool the jannies down ffs. I'm trying to save a modicum of what we have but by the looks of yesterday and the day before. /wng/ fate is sealed. However, that is no grounds for stinking up /wg/ literally migrate elsewhere. People here care about the craft and about being trad pubbed. The community with the "links" most of them have web novels to get to, they'll be okay.Their links can still be added.

>>24846428
I'm sure there's at least two of them

>>24846440
/wg/ should have left well enough alone. Now they will burn with us.

>>24846440
lmao

>>24846440
>People here care about the craft and about being trad pubbed.
I do not care.

I can understand deleting the dumb RI threads, but what are the janitors actually thinking by deleting /wng/? It's obviously a popular topic, and forcing them here is just going to shit up this general that has a small intersection of interests with it.

How do I write the next Reverend Insanity?

kek they both got deleted

What are the pros and cons of self pub vs webslopping?
Genre chad btw.

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>>24845828
Anon's vaguely encouraging statements have pushed me to feverishly put this novella together into an ebook and dump it on Amazon KDP. If you missed it or were in the middle of it, just wait for it to go live there (within 72 hours). I'll make it free for a while if I can.

>>24846727
>Pros of self pub
You can actually edit and retcon, and end up with a product you can genuinely be proud of.
>Cons
No one is going to read it

>Pros of webslop
You can build a solid reader base. The quality requirements are much lower too, since webslop readers prefer quantity.
>Cons
You will eventually write yourself into a corner and either drop it or make a decision that kills half your readerbase. (The successful WNs have a plot so bland that this is never an issue).

I guess I'll go shit up sffg then

>>24846744
Why not write the entire thing first then release it piecemeal to websloppers, then self pub?

>>24846727
>Webslopping pros
You might get lots of readers
>Webslopping cons
All of your readers will be webnovel readers

>>24846747
Yeah people do that, it's called building a backlog. Some have written entire books worth of chapters before even releasing the first one. It's essentially Early Reader Access or whatever trad pubs called it, can't remember. Then they take feedback and edit before releasing to Kindle.
Of course this requires you to be able to plan and write stories so they simultaneously work as a book but also as a web serial. Good luck with that.

>>24846747
That's what many do, but there's some issues. Readers expect endless content. If you hint that you only have 1 or 2 books planned, they might be reticent to follow such a short story, and/or you will have no growth once you finish. If you then also want to self pub, KU has a requirement that your content must also not be provided for free, meaning you will have to 'stub' it from the website, absolutely killing any future growth. You will then depend on your previous readers liking your story so much so as to purchase it, giving it the required momentum on Amazon to not just be totally forgotten.

Does Amazon KDP count as web-slopping or self-publishing?

>>24846760
/wg/ger decides on which it is based purely on what is the more retarded option at any given time when he posts

>>24846760
Yes
It can be both or either
>>24846758
Another issue is that on RR you have to write to the audience there to build your own and the RR meta is litrpg/progression/isekai etc. But on Amazon it's just a niche. So you're doing all this work just to break into a niche.
However if you don't do this and just release directly to self-pub you will get lost in the sea of shit, nobody will even see your story.
High level goal is probably:

>>24846719
They've appointed new jannies, you always get a few absolute fucking idiots who try to settle grudges or just don't understand the boards they're modding.

>>24846745
That's like going to the toilet to poop.

It's very funny to remove the only thread on /lit/ where people have read what they're posting about.

>>24846719
/wng/ was infested with /wg/ fags, there was little discussion about webnovels, it was all about how do I write the next big slop on royalroad. One /wg/ thread is enough.

>>24846807
As a percentage of posters in the thread it was pretty low, just a couple of absolutely insufferable people obsessed with giving advice to feel important.

>>24846807
/wng/ was webnovel discussion. Talking about what webnovels you have read/would recommend/reviews here would technically be against the rules

>>24846807
>/wng/ was infested with /wg/ fags
>it was all about how do I write the next big slop
Except /wg/ despises slop and writing for gibs. You are the architect of your own destruction, slopper

>>24846905
I only like RI. I hate all other webnovels and traditional publishing.

>>24846911
erm, based?

>>24846740
wattpad might have been a better choice. i feel like the audience would probably skew pretty heavily female for this.

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AKO SI PROGRESS BOY

is it even viable to write webslop set on earth with minimal supernatural elements?

>>24847063
what would the plot be? thats what's more important than the setting

no bro..... no...... wng slop.... discussion about wng slop...... NOOOOOOOOO!

>>24847063
I think that probably depends on what type of story you're telling. In what way is it webslop?

>slop hogs only want to read meta
wrong.
>but look at the stats
incorrect
>good luck getting an audience
false
>you'll never be successful
cope

uh oh, hes having another meltie!

>>24847068
An immortal experiencing the rise and fall of humanity from the earliest days of civilization to the extinction of man. Unable to quit, locked in a futile struggle against the relentless march of time.

Basically just following the development of his mindset over the ages until he reaches acceptance/enlightenment and everyone is dead.

>>24847072
I mean released as a webnovel.

>>24847101
that doesn't sound like something that most web sloppers would like

>>24847101
If it has a good story, it will find an audience. I know that's a cop-out obvious answer, but it is the easuest and truest answer. If the story says something to people, then people will read it.

>>24847101
Belongs in tradpub
Webslop site is for webslop. Even the outliers are still indulgent SFF genresloppa. Yours sounds literary, there are 0 literary stories doing well as a web serial
Just not the place

>>24847063
The most popular webnovel from someone on here is literally just a woman sent back in time in the real world.

>>24847101
If it's well written then it will find an audience, just don't expect to get massively popular

>>24847070
we saw what your thread was like before we arrived. don't kid yourself

>>24846970
I'd rather put up airs of charging money for my work, pretending to be business-savvy and not just desperate to be read. Feels like a better long-term career move. Also not sure why a skewed female audience matters since it's not like women don't shop on Amazon.

>>24847101
>An immortal experiencing the rise and fall of humanity from the earliest days of civilization to the extinction of man. Unable to quit, locked in a futile struggle against the relentless march of time.
>Basically just following the development of his mindset over the ages until he reaches acceptance/enlightenment and everyone is dead.
In other words some kind of suffering porn? Who is going to read that?
Also mc sounds kind of a chud.

>>24847170
I just worry about things going up on Amazon just being completely lost and ignored no matter how much they might otherwise have succeeded. Places like RR and Wattpad at least do a bit of the marketing for you, so it actually has a chance of being seen by someone. I guess if you are willing to do all the market work yourself to find the audience, or if you already have at least some kind of audience, it's better to skip the middleman and go directly to Amazon. But as someone who just YOLO'd a book up to Amazon years ago that has sold a grand total of zero copies in all that time, I'm jaded about it being any kind of platform for unknown authors. (You may not be unknown, in which case this is all irrelevant, but maybe it is relevant to someone else reading this thread.)

>>24847133
Nothing belongs in trapub unless you already have agents asking to sell you, or publishers asking to sign you.

>>24847202
You make good points, but I don't feel comfortable uploading to webnovel platforms because, one, my shit's content hasn't been engineered to game their algorithms, and two, I never use them myself (and have given them an honest try), so it would probably count as selling out.
I'm certainly an unknown, but I'd rather cultivate a few good readers than amass a vast army of mindless slop-inhalers.

>>24847225
Cultivation is the right way to go.

>>24847202
>YOLO'd a book up to Amazon years ago
Post a link, maybe you'll get your first sale

>>24847261
Has anyone written a metafiction cultivation webnovel about a writer building an audience?

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>>24847263
I don't want to get banned for posting the link. If you're actually interested you can google it.

>>24847209
agreed. the reality is that some stuff (most of what 4chan likes to write desu) belongs nowhere at all

>>24847280
>cover and title make it look like some kind of down-to-earth litfic drama or maybe a war story
>look it up
>it's a fantasy epic with demons and magic

I've posted this in a "share your thoughts" /lit/ and greentext/story /x/ thread, but I might as well repeat it here since it's in the spirit of the season (in fact, it's a "nightmare revisited!"). Since the story is complete and short I assume I can make 2 posts about it.

(1/2)
In July this year I had a couple stranger-than-usual dreams. This one makes the better story.

I was on a bus tour of Japan, and at first I had only mild interactions with passengers. But one night I snagged the second seat to the front, which was occupied by two sleeping strangers. Vertical bars kept me firmly behind them, and I saw both the white of my teeth and a glint suggesting eyes in that dim front-window reflection. I was not yet afraid. As always I grew preoccupied with the moon, its frail lamp far away in a hazy sky. Rounding a bend and going in the narrows between high stone walls a bridge appeared overhead, which from its side seemed whole, but passing under I saw it shattered. Then another... and another. The walls and bridges ceased, but the buildings of a new horizon-wide countryside retained the bomb-eaten patina. I half-fancied them nuked, but the litter-like rubble looked more conventional. Something indistinct about it all puzzled me before a sight made it certain; a colossal copper-green dome lying wasted among the pallid ruins. It was too big. I imagined the height such a pinnacle fell from; it would be the capstone of a nation of giants unmentioned anywhere. Nowhere on earth had I heard of such a bleak memorial to war so well maintained. Germany, I thought. Nowhere but 1940s Germany would destruction be this entire. But the land grew stranger and a music started, the rhythm hissing and percussing again and again:
wee-oh-tick-tick--
wee-oh-tick-tick--
Bright, clean, and wooden structures also lay desolate, fearful in aspect but fatally wounded: here the Trojan horse of the Argives with its back sunken along the saddle; here a mechanical war chariot painted with the colorful emblem of an elephant, its side spilled out. More sights as these passed, and from a distance their multitude sprawling over the horizon resembled childrens' toys on a littered earth.

>>24847523
(2/2)
Then statues passed. The first was a black-iron man in what seemed early scuba gear. Then another. Then a black-and-white mural of them with a burning building in the background.
wee-oh-tick-tick--
wee-oh-tick-tick--
More scuba men and destruction, scuba men attempting and failing to put out fires, even firemen assisting them in vain to contain the blazing, sepiatone tableaus.
wee-oh-tick-tick--
wee-oh-tick-tick--
Then, like an obelisk, a watch tower loomed ahead out of the gloom. The bus skittered over the slatted steps, curling its long carapace around shorter stairs, flight upon flight blurring by. It was here, amidst the churning melody and lurching climb, that I knew something awaited me at the end.
wee-oh-tick-tick--
wee-oh-tick-tick--
wee-oh-tick-
TOP.

The motion stopped as though it never started, all sound likewise terminated. The two sleepers were gone from the front seat and the bus with them. I was before a mesh-screen window and looking out over dead dimness. It was too still. Jaundiced light stained-in the likeness of trees beyond a courtyard below, and a narrator drawled over the murk in a clinical baritone, "the infected wandered the streets."

There was not a soul out there.

Unable to bear the strain of dread anymore I started awake.
I did not sleep again that night.

>>24847384
I thought the cover made it pretty clear it's a fantasy story. It has a damn silver tree on it.
>>24847367
I understand that it's a very typical attitude in young, stupid people to think spending all your time running others down is funny or charming, but I think you should be aware that it isn't. It's unnattractive, and however well you may think you can hide it when you're not on here, you can't nearly as well as you think.

>>24847529
unc crashin out :joy: joy: joy: joy: joy:

>>24847523
>>24847528
Good imagery. Story's a bit over my head though.

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>>24845869
there is literally no way to improve your prose unless you start writing. write in caveman ESL speak. write in run-ons. write like an edgy 14 year old. no one else will ever see it. just fucking write

>>24847589
desu you can get pretty good at writing just from reading, I don't really buy the idea that you have to write a load of shit to become competent.
revision obviously helps with stuff like construction but I don't think it's otherwise that big of a factor.

>>24847593
Only in /wg/ would you find someone so opposed to the idea of writing, truly incredible

>>24847593
You can pick up on some things from reading, but you won't be writing anything of quality if it's all you do. Just like how film critics can't make movies.

>>24847603
I haven't thought about this before, but maybe discouraging everyone here to decrease potential competition is the move

>>24847556
It was a real dream I had on the night of July 12th, so I'm not sure there IS any meaning to it. You could get "man's destined to ruin" from it but it isn't particularly deep. To me it's suggestive-enough imagery and (attempted) poetical prose to tempt one to make something more of it than it really was, and in that sense is a "trap." In truth, I just had fun writing it.

>Started to worry no one would understand my writing.
>Low quality
>Bad pacing
>Had been stalled for weeks
>Took the "just write"
>Have written 20k words of pure garbage in the last 3 days
>Feels great, feels better than I've ever felt before.
Damn, I do not look forward to even attempting to make it readable for others.

You /wng people have to go back. And take the genresloppers with you.

>>24847660
>genresloppers
What does this mean? New to /lit/

>>24847665
It means "people" who read genre fiction and believe entertainment is more important than beauty and truth.

>>24847616
Ahh, I see. You have very vivid dreams then.
>>24847665
People who write something other than straight drama fiction. Fantasy, scifi, horror, mystery, detective, etc.

>>24847685
>straight drama fiction.
Who wants to read that garbage in 2025+1

>>24847665
if you ever find yourself confused:
people want to read it -> it's genreslop
nobody wants to read it, including the author -> it's literary (real) writing

>>24847682
This is just the other side of the same coin slopzoomer is on. You should both be aware that there's a very wide middle ground that people without aspergers can and do take.

>>24847612
Remarkably stupid analogy when Godard was a critic first.
The authors that espouse writing loads of trash are ones like Sanderson who have thousands of pages of published work and no notable improvement within them.

>>24847706
>>24847685
>>24847682
Oh, so it is a schizo thing. If it is so hated, why not make a /ngawg/ (no genreslop allowed writing general)

>>24847682
>beauty and truth.
why are you talking like an egirl?

>>24847719
no point. the /wg/ genretard posts daily about how web novel slop is bad in the web novel thread. he'll follow any thread tangentially related to writing to troll it all day

>>24847719
It's easier to ignore obvious trolls than make a new, hyper-specific general everytime an austist throws a tantrum.

>>24847529
That "silver" tree looks more like a white tree which isn't particularly fantastic. I'd think a story that hinges so heavily on slaying demons would have on the cover... you know... something like someone slaying a demon or something. Really just any indication at all that this is an action-packed demon-slaying story and not some dialogue-heavy, character-driven neorealist deal, which is what the actual cover evokes for me at least.

>>24847869
Meh. I think you're being pedantic now, as if it's your personal responsibility to diagnose why this anon's book hasn't sold a million copies.
The cover screams "fairy-tale" to me. Like the clock's just struck midnight and something fatastical is going to happen.
Is it perfect? Who gives a shit.

>>24847665
In the world of /wg/gers' imaginations, writers are split into two distinct groups: soulless sellouts just after a quick buck who'll write anything they think masses of other people want to read (genresloppers), and pretentious, fart-sniffing snobs who disparage anything that isn't overly reminiscent of archaic classics (litficfags).
Obviously in reality it's a venn diagram with tons of overlap, but that won't stop the /wg/ger from being a retard.

>>24847910
I see. I wrote a short story for my RPG group and they liked it, so I just kept writing it. Would the schizoid categorize me as genreslopper?

>>24847901
>The cover screams "fairy-tale" to me
After reading the sample I'm pretty sure this is also a mischaractetization. It's a fantasy epic about slaying demons, not particularly fairy-tale-esque.
Excuse me for finding patterns. I don't know why anon's book hasn't sold a million copies but I'm willing to bet some potential readers have or will get lost judging the book by its cover.

>>24847922
Who cares?

>>24847758
>ignore obvious trolls
Sure worked out for wng

>>24847952
I don't even use /wng/ and even I know about their trolls. They have NOT ignored them.

>>24847718
For being on /lit/, there sure isn't a whole lot of reading comprehension. Consuming media =/= creating it. You may know what makes a good book, from story structure to prose... but it doesn't inherently translate to writing skill. You don't have to write tons of trash, but you DO have to write if you want to get better. To say otherwise is foolish.

>>24847718
Goddard couldn't make movies

>>24847946
My friends.

>>24847869
>>24847942
Lol, the story actually doesn't have that much slaying demons in it. There's some, obviously, because it is a fantasy, but it's a lot more just about the main character and his relationship with the town and his family. I know why the book didn't sell, it's because it was one among 2.7 million other books uploaded to Amazon that year, and it was uploaded with zero marketing. I'm sure it has other problems too, but the reason it didn't sell is because self-published books without an audience don't and can't sell (statistically speaking). I know the cover should be largely for advertisement, but I really just liked how if someone actually did read the book, they'd likely think the cover fit well.

>>24847986
>>he makes a deal to perform one final task:
>>Find the mysterious leader of the demons who have infested the forests around the town, and slay it.
>the story actually doesn't have that much slaying demons in it
I think I'm starting to understand why you didn't sell a million copies

>>24847979
You've made poor friends.

>>24847955
You stupid cunt. Ignoring what I wrote for the most obviously incorrect interpretation possible and then accusing me of lacking reading comprehension.

>>24848000
Well, I never asked why I didn't sell a million copies because I know why I didn't sell a million copies.
If you'll note what I actually wrote:
>There's some, obviously, because it is a fantasy
In many stories you have the plot, which is what the book is about. But you also have the underlying themes and characters' journeys and relationships, which is also what the book is about. And when people ask: 'what is this book about?' either of those can be a legitimate answer. The book is about a boy slaying demons to save his town, but it is also a coming of age story about a boy entering manhood and his relationship with the town and his family as a young man.

>>24847952
you guys are supposed to report the trolls. it's your own fault you let him ruin every thread

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I can't figure out how to put character growth and meaning into my fantasy isekai webslop. I mean, random adventures are probably good enough for webslop, but that's not what I want.

Any examples for inspiration?

sloppers OUT!

sloppers IN!

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Posted this in the last thread. The feedback I got was negative.

Why? Why is this not an acceptable prose for a fantasy novel? The dialogue is miles ahead of anything written by Sanderson (a published author!) where characters talk like young American teens. The prose is fairly simple but concise and straight to the point. Why is 50 pages of padding (purple prose) before a significant event so valued here?

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>>24848048
AI think's it's translated.

>>24848048
kek

>>24848048
Because chinese face-culture is distasteful to civilized people.

>>24848023
Sure, it didn't sell a million copies because you did nothing to market it, but maybe there's a reason you did nothing to market it.

>>24848048
wait a minute

this is just RI with the names replaced!

>>24848063
Okay, well, go ahead and random-upload a fantasy story to Amazon with a new account, under a pseudonym (in case you already have an established audience), with no marketing at all, and see how many books you sell. Maybe you'll sell millions of copies and you can come back here and brag. Statistically speaking, you'd have a better chance just buying lottery tickets, but who knows? Maybe your brilliance will shine through and beat the odds. It'd be cool to see it happen.

>>24848061
Forgetting for a moment that it's a cultivation novel. What makes people dislike the prose and dialogue (the style, the tone) so much?
I just feel like it has better style than many modern works. Reading any kind of urban fiction with typical urban vocabary is way worse.

>>24848073
*vocabulary

>>24848073
It's just the awkward phrasing and grammar that a native English speaker wouldn't use. Things like:
>In the next moment he called out in a tone full of unhappiness
If an EFL writer gave it a cleanup pass, nobody would even notice.

>>24848013
If it's so obviously incorrect, surely you could explain why. Go on, tell me how being a foodie makes you to cook well, or how appreciating art would allow me to draw. You can't, and you can only resort to name calling because your argument is as pathetic as you.

>>24848073
It's better than average, sure, but it's also clearly a fairly exact translation so it has weird quirks like >>24848076 said.
Also, this particular exerpt has the character acting in a way that only people from face-cultures would think is appropriate, so it's not exactly endearing from a story perspective.

>>24848072
That's pretty much what I'm doing, although I am planning on marketing it a little. I don't expect to sell a million copies but I'm also not going to leave it to rot with no readers, only occasionally letting /wg/ users cajole me into acknowledging its existence

>>24848092
>has the character acting in a way that only people from face-cultures would think is appropriate, so it's not exactly endearing from a story perspective.
Would a straightforward person not act this way in a Western cultural setting? I am Westerner myself and while it would be weird in todays culture because everyone is so nice, I can perfectly imagine someone from my grandfathers generation reprimanding another person like that.

>>24848115
I'm from New York and if anyone ever slapped me like that I would shoot them in the face 26 times and take their wallet.

>>24848117
If my brother started bitching to me in public about some lying whore then I'd slap him too.

>>24848117
This is why nobody should ever use modern USA as a setting for their middle age/medieval fantasy novel.

>>24848126
If my brother slapped me I'd beat his ass. I don't care about no Chinese cultivation honor magic bullshit. Do chineses people really just let family slap them?

>>24848107
It will probably do well then. I don't think it really takes all that much to get an audience, just more than nothing.

>>24848152
If my brother started bitching me out in public about some gold digging whore, it would be perfectly acceptable and moral to slap the shit out of him. If he then tried to fight me, it would be perfectly acceptable to beat the shit out of him.

This is a (you) being a retarded sperg thing.

>>24848152
You sure would, timmy.

someone gets slapped
>2 full mags of 9mm bare minimum, police don't even need to take a statement
someone gets slapped (fictional)
>uh that's pretty uncool dude. really takes me out of the story. why are chinamen so barbaric?
what causes this phenomenon?

>>24848115
I can imagine a western aristocrat slapping his younger brother for criticizing his behavior toward social inferiors, sure. But even in aristoctatic times, it would have been seen as a negative character moment. In this story, it's inverted. We're clearly supposed to think like:
>>24848126
This anon does. But most people don't. They see "face" as something distasteful and barbaric.

>>24848196
>We're clearly supposed to think
no lol

the story is about an evil villain

>>24848210
slander
Chad Thundercock is a hero

>>24848210
That may be true, and it would change things. I'm just going off the exerpt. The story might be the most amazing thing since sliced bread for all I know.

>>24848228
it is pretty good despite the quality of translation

>>24848196
>But even in aristoctatic times, it would have been seen as a negative character moment. In this story, it's inverted
Isn't this the same as parents spanking their kids? Not acceptable nowadays (at least officially in most of the West) but was perfectly acceptable back in the day.
Should we have stories set in fictional middle ages but still follow modern day customs and standards?

>>24848238
The problem isnt the slap, it's the idea that cruel or harmful behavior against social inferiors is less morally wrong than causing your superior to lose face. The character doesn't say "How dare you suggest I would do such a thing?" He effectively says: "How dare you cause me to lose face on behalf of someone lower than me?" That is the key difference.

>>24848281
Sounds retarded.

>>24847280
OHHH i remember you, you used to have an ad here on 4chinz

>>24848289
yeah, didn't do shit lmao. if I remember right it got like 3 clicks out of however many tens of thousands of impressions.

>>24848281
That may be prevalent in eastern novels however that particular scene (older brother slapping his younger brother) in >>24848048 had nothing to do with losing face/honor etc (and neither >>24848196 said anything about losing face).

>>24848303
4chan is the worst place to advertise a book.

>>24848314
Published author and a millionaire sir F. Gardner disagrees.

>>24848303
>marketing a children's book on an anime porn website
I wonder why that didn't work out

>>24848308
>"That [Lily] is just a servent girl! Just because of a lowly girl like her you would forget that I am your older brother?"
Face-cultures are hyper-focused on social position, and how social inferiors and superiors are supposed to be treated. The character is a social superior to [Lily] because she is a servent, and superior to his brother because he is older. (The strong emphasis on age being so important between siblings is also typical of face-cultures.)
The character is presumed to have been cruel or abusive in some way to the servent girl, his social inferior. This is obviously seen as negative behavior, because his brother calls him out for it. However, the character doesn't rebuke his brother for believing he would be cruel, he rebukes his brother for embarassing his superior on behalf of someone even lower.
The clear subtext is that the character believes:
-it is wrong to abuse inferiors, and to do so causes you to lose face
-accusing your brother of doing this would then cause him to lose face
-but it is even more wrong to cause your older brother to lose face than it is to abuse social inferiors
-the character is rightly outraged that his social inferior has caused him to lose face, and doubly so because it was on behalf of someone far beneath him.

>>24848318
I wonder what his numbers are like. He probably got a good few sales from notoriety alone, but I doubt very many, and I doubt very many of those actually read his travesties cover to cover.

>>24848073
Adding onomatopoeias absolutely pull me of the story and makes me think I'm reading a bad parody

>>24848303
Of course it didn't retard, most people here have adblockers and the ones that don't (retarded third world people) aren't the ones reading books

>>24848321
a fantasy book advertised on a website dedicated to appreciating fantasy cartoons isnt that big a leap

>>24848382
I didn't expect it to do much else than it did. It was a whim purchase for a few bucks. I'm not complaining that it didn't get clicks, I was just responding to the other anon who mentioned it.

>>24848387
Calling 4chan "a website dedicated to appreciating fantasy cartoons" is a pretty big leap, especially compared with calling it an anime porn website

>>24848328
>Face-cultures are hyper-focused on social position, and how social inferiors and superiors are supposed to be treated. The character is a social superior to [Lily] because she is a servent, and superior to his brother because he is older. (The strong emphasis on age being so important between siblings is also typical of face-cultures.)
Not exclusive to the east. What you've described applies to pre modern West.

>>24848328
>The character is presumed to have been cruel or abusive in some way to the servent girl, his social inferior. This is obviously seen as negative behavior, because his brother calls him out for it. However, the character doesn't rebuke his brother for believing he would be cruel,
>he rebukes his brother for embarassing his superior on behalf of someone even lower.
This is simply not in the excerpt. He doesn't do it because of an embarrassment. He does it because of his brothers unjustified outburst towards him, and also his brother forgetting familial bonds is another reason.
I don't understand how this can be considered an embarrassment. First and foremost it was just his younger brother's rude behavior that made character act the way he did.

>>24848417
Well people here read isekai and litrpg, so I didn't think it was entirely unthinkable they'd like normal fantasy too. To be clear though, I never expected a few ads on 4chan to lead to some explosion of sales, or really any sales at all.

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>>24848336
He seems to be doing alright

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>>24848449
A studio apartment, paid for by his parents, on the 38th floor of a 60-year-old building in a crappy part of Chicago, isn't anyone definition of "doing alright".

>>24848457
yeah man totally

>>24848449
He is absolutely not making rent off his book sales.

>>24848498
Not making money off his books, not making money make off his looks (evidently).
How is he making money then?

>>24848531
He's not. His permissive parents pay for everything.

What do you think on long back and forths? I've finished writing a chapter that's 6k words long and about half of it is dialogue between the protagonist and a rebel leader, who's trying to recruit him into his cause. They argue about alliances, trust, society, war and rebellion (meaning not everything said in their conversation is just information moving the plot forward). Obviously not everything in those 6k words is written in dialogue tags - there's description and some internal thoughts as well.

I do find dialogue a lot more easy to digest and read through than long stretches of description so that's why I don't feel it's that long, but I wanted to hear what is everybody's opinion on it.