Read some Judith Butler and graduate into a non-binary

I dont think I really want to be a girl, doesn't feel right. Id rather just exalt negatige thoughts about masculine secondary sex characteristics, and any latent desire for a female body. I'm at a point where, I just can't find meaning in it, and I don't fit the desire anyway.
I've considered writing a book about my experience in the past just because I dont have many frame of references for it, thinking that somebody else could understand it, if it was framed as a book, or I could understand it, if it felt disconnected from myself.

What's the right wing solution for trannies?
The left wing solution seems to be transitioning and then hoping most people you interact with on a daily basis go along with it.
You may point out flaws with this plan but like, it's a plan. The right winger's societal solution for trannies is like, what, try not to think about it? Yell slurs at everyone who says there is a problem emperor's new clothes style? Repeat some empty platitudes about the bible?
I'm serious, short of full blown nazis intent on killing every queer on earth, what's the actual plan supposed to be?

>>24864303
Theres no plan. People just dont like them

>>24864303
>What's the right wing solution for trannies?
trannies are just a result of enormous porn consumption. they are rarely gay. I think porn warps your perception of the self in sex cause you're not in the porn equation and just a watcher, I think it does something to your brain. So I imagine that someone who's chronically addicted to porn may start blending the fucker and the fuckee in his head, then he starts looking at gay shit like futa, traps, further blending fucker and fuckee, until he finally says "I'm a girl, yes, I am a slutty girl who sucks cock" and then he chops his dick off. Add to this the fact that most of these people are groomed by other trannies and gays - it's not a meme, they really do hunt for sexually insecure children and teenagers and try to push them toward mental illness. I kinda agree with having ID verification to access porn (the problem is that porn is just an excuse and is only step 1) because porn does a lot of damage.
I think people who are organically trannies, I mean the real ones who genuinely have a problem with their body, are extremely few and you can just treat those people like normal schizophrenics

>>24864303
Fucking them

>>24864303
>short of full blown nazis intent on killing every queer on earth
That's the plan for most right wingers, correct.
The ones that aren't "full blown nazis" are just hoping they take enough power that all the killing can be outsourced to them for a clean conscience. The right wing moral system is incredibly insistent on personal responsibility, in the sense of rejecting the concept of collective responsibility. They think that as long as you don't personally do a deed, and you don't personally give the order, you're morally in the clear. So voting for a party that promises killing squads on the streets is okay. Decriminalizing gang violence resulting in shootouts? Clean conscience.
Proof? God. A christian supports god in everything he does, by definition. God is wonderful and everything he does is correct. God also runs a torture chamber where he subjects trannies, among countless others, to unspeakable torment. Read the book of Revelation, read the kind of shit people go to hell for. One woman goes there because she said meat from pagan sacrifices is okay to eat. Your neighbour invited you to a barbeque and you accepted? If the neighbour isn't a christian, you're going to hell for eternal torment. Jesus does this personally and revels in it. And christians love this, right wingers love this, because this is something that they would love to do personally but can't do themselves, their ultimate power fantasy is having an authority figure carry it out for them so that their conscience is clear, because in their mind supporting someone who goes aroung killing people does not make you complicit in murder.
So yes, the right wing solution for trannies is to kill them, every other strategy is an attempt at a stopgap measure until the concentration camps can be set up.

>>24864315
Why should gender dysphoria be lumped with schizophrenia? The symptoms are completely different. That's like saying "brain injuries? they're made up, but for those rare cases where they aren't, they should be treated like normal broken bones". You're making no sense.

And besides, all this this rambling about porn, a) you're saying this shit on a porn website and b) this is mostly irrelevant, the question was what to do with trannies, not how to maybe have fewer trannies in the coming generations.
If you're right then shutting down porn only does something 20 or so years down the line, assuming instant and successful implementation.

>>24864303
trannies are disgusting.
the solution is to let people be disgusted by them.

>>24864347
>the solution is to uhhh... do nothing and uhhh... people should be sad and angry...
very profound!

>>24864303
Don't post on trannie threads

>>24864303
>What's the right wing solution for trannies?
Insane asylums, malpractice suits, and expatriations to Israel.

>>24864340
schizophrenia and psychosis definitely go hand in hand. gender dysphoria has suddenly received special treatment for political reasons but please tell me where is the difference between saying that your body is the wrong sex vs. thinking that your right hand isn't actually yours.
porn definitely has a role in this shit because there is not a single tranny who isn't absolutely terminally obsessed with the most fucked up porn imaginable. when every single tranny is hooked on porn like a fucking crack addict then yes I will naturally draw a line between the two.
I do believe there are genuine trannies who have a mental condition but those are a tiny fraction and how you'd treat them doesn't matter. What matters is that a whole lot of trannies wouldn't be trannies if not for porn addiction and being groomed - I also believe that a whole lot of these kids are groomed by older gays or trannies just just brainwash them

>>24864350
yeah pretty much.
trannies' delusions aren't my problem nor something I feel empathy over.

>>24864315
The porn causes transgenderism take is probably the most brain dead retarded /pol/tard take of all brain dead retarded /pol/tard takes. It completely ignores the existence of trannies and other third gender groups before modern porn. It also does not take into account the existence of FtMs or the millions of young hetero men out there with porn addictions that never give trooning out a second thought.

>>24864355
>schizophrenia and psychosis
stopped reading there
you're clearly just throwing terms you don't understand around, gender dysphoria has next to nothing to do with psychosis
"hey why are you treating brain injuries and broken bones as the same thing"
"broken bones and twisted joints go hand in hand"
Word vomit.

>>24864355
If cutting your tits of dick off is different than cutting your hand off, it's only in terms of severity. Sexual dysfunction and disorder definitely underlies transgenders, transvestites and homosexuals, all. A tiny fraction of people labeled as "transgender" are actually "gender dysphoric", the vast majority are just sick fags that like to dress up as women or sick fucks that are so obsessed with vaginas that they want to get fucked in one. There's no way to explain the boom in trannyism and faggotry without grooming. Making it more socially acceptable, making it a victim class, and attention seeking can only account for so much.

>>24864355
>>24864315
list the symptoms of gender dysphoria and then list the symptoms of schizophrenia. then explain how they're actually the same

>>24864367
By this logic, every mental illness/disorder should be treated the exact same way because it's just a question of severity (you can keep abstracting and abstracting the symptoms until you say "it makes you do crazy things and sad")

>>24864303
Curtail grooming and porn availability and watch tranny demographics shrink to next to nothing. Forbid tranny surgeries and the prescription of hormones for tranny motivations for good measure. It's really not difficult.

>>24864363
>It completely ignores the existence of trannies and other third gender groups before modern porn
Yeah, back when there were barely any of them in western countries, you little cretin.

>>24864397
explain shit like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vivian_Rubianti

>>24864373
>By this logic, every mental illness/disorder should be treated the exact same way
Okay. Work camps?

>>24864406
What's there to explain? Freaks like that or Elagabalus have always existed. The only problem is that trannies have become more common in recent years.

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my proposal: i think each country should construct a kind of 'City of Mysteries', and one month out of twelve each year you get to live in the City of Mysteries under whatever persona you choose. no record of your life in the city will ever reach the world outside. i think this will solve many societal issues, and also be pretty fun. please sign my petition to build a City of Mysteries.

>>24864368
A schizophrenic has a distorted perception of the world. A transsexual has a distorted perception of the self.

Both are wrong.

Here is how to deal with trannies.
1. Stop accommodating their delusions. Don't call them Maam, don't give them access to spaces of the other gender. Don't humor their claims.
2. Destroy their online spaces and hugboxes. Without constant reinforcement and grooming echo chambers that trannies control via heavy moderation, trannyism will find a lot fewer victims.
3. Ruthlessly persecute all forms and all avenues of diy HRT.
4. Treatment for transsexuality needs to stop affirming the transsexuals chosen identity. Healthcare providers need zo challenge these beliefs and provide instead an analysis how and why the person came to believe to be the wrong gender.
5. Judicial executions of feminist academics and abolishment of all gender studies majors.

>>24864303
Genocide

>>24864303
>right wing solution
You mean left wing.

Conservatives are at their core fundamentally skeptical of the ability of policy to effect social change.

Conservatives don’t want to get rid of trannys, they want to bring an end to the state mandated kowtowing to every troon in public and trannys as a protected class.

If public mockery of trannys was again allowed instead of being the 21st century equivalent of a 13th century blasphemy charge, the problem of the tranny would disappear over night.

>>24864484
>A schizophrenic has a distorted perception of the world
No man, both cases are defined as psychosis. I know you want to be right but this is what le science says (well that's what it said until they suddenly decided gender psychosis isn't psychosis)

>>24864484
Let's take a closer look at transsexuals. Male transsexuals can be split into three groups.
1. Men with a sexual fetish. Autogynophiliacs. Heavy porn consumers. The weird, sex obsessed freaks that do not pass at all and use transsexuality as a way to creep on other people. Example: 'Wax my balls' from Canada, 'Tranpa' Georg Kellermann from Germany
2. Autists who got drawn into internet tranny culture and can't tell that the praise and acceptance they get is feigned.
3. Homosexuals who hate faggots so much they loop around into denial of their own homosexuality.

For women transsexuals it's a lot of autistic girls and molested girls that seek to escape their own sexuality.

>>24864484
>A schizophrenic has a distorted perception of the world
Wow okay so schizophrenia is the same as being on mushrooms which is the same as having a nervous breakdown which is the same as having high adrenaline which is the same as a concussion which is the same as being sleep deprived which is the same as depression which is the same as gender dysphoria which is the same as cotard's syndrome which is the same as being drunk. Thank you for this wonderful insight! How dumb must all of those eggheads in psychology and psychiatry be trying to give different names to what is clearly the same exact condition, they should clearly be treated as the exact same thing. Thank you anonymous for this wonderful insight.

>>24864489
I am not disagreeing. It may very well be that schizophrenia and gender delulu have similar or the same mechanistic causes, just expressed differently.

I don't think non health care professionals need to care that much. Trannies are a tiny minority. They are only important because as terminally online autists, they are very loud on the internet. Point 2 of my list would take care of that. Just assfuck discord, reddit and bluesky until the tranny echo chambers are broken open.

>>24864504
You are being autistic.

>>24864519
Wow autism is causing me to have a distorted perception of that post huh? Clearly that makes it the same as schizophrenia.

>>24864520
A woman would never be this confrontational.

>>24864303
The problem is that they're at the terminal stage already. A drain on resources AND time. But despite that, they should still be afforded psychiatric care, just not the type that affirms and feeds their delusions.
You fight the cause, not the symptom.

A lot of people want to push this "it's porns fault!" narrative but I don't believe it. It's sexism. Sexism against men. Think about it, every dude is always assumed to be and treated like a rapist and abuser unless proven otherwise, and even then they're treated like shit. You're not manly, you're not cute, you're not worthy, you're not skilled, you're too short, lanky, thin, fat, ugly, muscular, bald, etc. This comes from both women and men.
Meanwhile women are always treated as perfectly trustworthy angels that don't get punished with any severity. Even ugly fatsos have this ...priviledge, eugh. You've seen it. Pedos, murderers, cheaters, serial gold-diggers... happens IRL and in media. Look at any court case involving both genders, especially ones where the woman commited the crime.
Of course people don't want to deal with all that crap that comes with being a man. So they "drop out" of being a dude, seeking that free love and acceptance that's handed to women. That near-immunity to consequence.

An actual solution would require society to change its treatment of men. That is not going to happen any time soon however.

>>24864546
>Sexism against men.
I would agree if the majority of men weren't domesticated cattle who agreed with the narrative out of nothing but indolence. Had men shamed "allies" and men who provide for whores the problem wouldn't have existed. Sexism against men comes largely from men. It's a self-made problem.

I have nothing against trannies on paper, but I am convinced that 90% of modern cases of transgenderism are a byproduct of autism, social exclusion and porn addiction. Notice how most modern trannies are just socially awkward vidya and anime fans with a catalog of fetishes and no real irl community— the kind who back in the day would just be nerdy guys or emo girls. It’s so rare to see a tranny that doesn’t fit this description. It’s become a form of peacocking to try and fit in.

Raise kids in strong communities with a strong family unit, alongside giving them confidence in themselves, and you’d see rates of transgenderism plummet. I’m a slightly more effeminately minded male, and I feel I might have fallen victim to transgenderism if I didn’t have good parents who taught me that peer pressure was a meme and to not be ashamed of who I am.

>>24864402
I'm not talking about just western countries you retard. There are a bunch of third gender groups found outside the west and even historically in the west there were individuals and smaller groups we'd call trannies today.
>>24864486
>Conservatives don’t want to get rid of trannys
Most conservatives very clearly want to get rid of trannies. Besides immigrants trannies have been their main boogeyman for the past decade now since they lost out on gay marriage and its taboo to be openly racist. Guys like Michael Knowles have even called for the "eradication of transgenderism". Hell conservative politics arguably boils down to nothing more than wanting to shun and punish any group that isn't rich white men.
>>24864546
This take is even more retarded than the porn take

>>24864279
An obnoxious faggot? I think only guns work.

>>24864595
You're in a thread that's essentially discussing Western society and politics, mouthbreather, the hecking Hijra or whatever the fuck you have in mind is completely irrelevant. No one cares about historical third genders and no one talks about it.

>>24864303
>Yell slurs at everyone who says there is a problem emperor's new clothes style?

This is the "left" solution, as well, y'know?

>>24864684
Idgaf faggot, your contention is that trannyism is caused by porn addiction and any historical third gender group is evidence against that whether you like it or not. Plus neither trannyism or porn addiction are exclusively western phenomenons.

>>24864279
If the button turns you into an actual girl and not a hideous tranny, I'd press it.
>t. not a tranny but it would be silly to turn down the opportunity to live life on easy mode

Some here are under the delusion that anyone is concerned with saving every tranny from itself. No, people care about saving impressionable children from being groomed and ruining their lives. The true freaks who push this on others and might have been trannies even before the Internet era can castrate themselves and suffer in silence for all anyone cares.

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>>24864705
>any historical third gender group is evidence against that [trannyism is caused by porn addiction]
Historical forms of mental illness do not explain the sharp uptick in cases of the past ten or so years. Not all trannies are created equal. Some are victims of porn addiction and autogynephilia, some were groomed and some have other causes.

https://youtu.be/aHe5vbMj_YU?t=393 gets into detail on this. There are categories of transgenders each with their own causes.

>>24864705
No, my microcephalic friend, my contention is that porn is a significant factor in the recent surge in tranny numbers. Pre-Internet trannies are insignificant and neither their existence nor what caused -them- to become trannies has any importance. The concern people have for this issue is purely over the contemporary phenomenon.

>>24864350
Absolutely. You can troon out just don't try to codify into law that I have to respect it. I can ignore you like I did in 2005.

>>24864748
>>24864756
You don't have any quantifiable evidence for any of your claims.

>>24864279
>100% chance of living life on easy mode no matter the outcome
Of course I push it

>>24864303
>What's the right wing solution for trannies?
Turning them into trancubines for the Royal Palace.

>>24864809
I just linked you an interview with a healthcare professional who specialised in providing psychiatric care for transsexuals. Come on, this is /lit/. Treat it like an audiobook.

>>24864459
that is quite similar to medieval carnivals

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>>24864303
>The right winger's societal solution for trannies is like, what, try not to think about it
That's how it was in the past. Trans had 2% rate of attempted suicide in 1973.
We started giving them their drug for free, making them dependent of the government, feeding their delusion, trying to normalize them in society, making their dismorphia a key part of their identity rather than something to solve, selling then the fake dream that they can "pass" if they try hard enough. In Joe Biden's government, the attempted suicide rate of trans people got to 50%. I repeat, we went from 2% when we didn't care to 50% when we fulfilled all their wishes. Remember that the word "gay" once meant happiness, and trans were put in the same box as gays.
Estrogen works like a drug, after all. It makes you feel good and feminine for a while, but sooner or later you'll see the consequences.

In my opinion, it seems to me like a repression of a need from the ID caused by trauma. After all, rsre are the trans who didn't have a CSA or some kind of corruption to their sexual identity in childhood. It could be solved just by going to therapy. And the longer you don't treat it, the bigger it grows. Imagine now fulfilling all the wishes of your repression... Truly grimm and evil from the politicians making this minority dependent on them.
I repeat for the third time: 2% when we didn't care, 50% when we fulfilled all their wishes.

>>24864926
>the attempted suicide rate of trans people got to 50%
Literal fake news

>>24864303
Chop off the genitals and make court eunuchs of intelligent ones. Sending degenerate/mentally ill ones to government run brothels.

>>24864934
https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/transpop-suicide-press-release/
You are right, it's 8% less. It seems that it went from 2% to 42%. Which, btw, it's still 21 times more than before, or, saying it with percentages, a 2000% increase

>>24864926
>Joe Biden's government
Stopped reading there. Gb2 watching fox news grandpa

>>24864279
Steven pinker’s “the blank slate”

>>24864707
>live life on easy mode
>can't walk outside after dark because even the most stick-thin incel with no muscle mass can overpower and rape/kill you

>>24864303
classifying them as homosexuals

>>24864413
Hey man I don't want to be in there because I'm a sperg

>>24864707
speak for yourself, I love having a big cock and fucking things with it

>>24864960
Obviously in Trump's government suicides attempts have risen. I mentioned Biden's because a tranny could refute me saying that the suicide attempts rised because of the new politics, yet they were still incredibly high in the time when the government wore their flag.

>>24864956
suicide attempts are a meaningless as fuck statistics. I imagine someone chugging some pills counts as a suicide attempt. what's the rate of successful suicide? it's only suicide if you want to kill yourself and if you want to kill yourself you use a lethal method

>>24864303
What does some dude cutting his dick off have to do with me? What do I need to "solve"? Why do I need a "plan" to deal with him?
My problem is with propaganda and social engineering, some retard self mutilating is not my problem.

>>24865090
>suicide attempts are a meaningless
Holy cope... Mentally sane people who are happy do not commit suicide attempts.

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>>24864303
Right-wingers are functionally retarded when it comes to understanding why the majority of trans people exist, and as a result of their ignorance more people transition.

Alike most statistics, figures on trans-people should not be taken at face value.
The heavy majority of people confirming their trans identity are not trans, but non-binary, or one of the thousand other subgroups.

My senior year of high-school coincided with the 2020-2021 explosion of gender identities.
Out of the maybe-a-hundred people in my school that adjusted their pronouns, I know zero that pursued surgery to transition, all instead said they were non-binary, or temporarily went by she-her as a sort of punk revolt.
Outside of wearing a skirt and a battle jacket once every few months, there were no further altercations to their appearance.
All of these blokes dropped the shtick either throughout university or when they joined the workforce.

As a brief example, I'll describe a handful of people from my youth that went down this path.

(1/2)

>>24865245
1). My buddy's sister began to go by she-her/he-him/they-them, in her mind this counted as transitioning, but besides a dyke haircut nothing changed.
Everyone continued to refer to her as she/her, and she never put up a fuss - realistically, the only time these pronouns were mentioned was in her email signature and Instagram bio.
She's since feminized back into a gorgeous lass and continues to date men, but the pronouns remain.
If you asked her if she was trans she would confirm despite all contrary evidence.

2). A girl changed her pronouns to they/them, and her name to that of a male Greek god (a twink God of sex, but we'll ignore that), without altering her behaviour or appearance.
She couldn't care less if you use she/her, but becomes furious at the mention of her "dead name" - more of a forced nickname than anything.
In current day she perks up her tits and wears slim dresses, despite referring to herself as a lesbian, she's great in bed.

3). One of my close male friends got drunk and told the group that he was seriously considering on transitioning to female - a full transition, not that half-arsed shit.
He chose a new name and wished us to refer to him with it along with female pronouns, and went out searching for gender-affirming-care from the health care system.
Neither us nor the doctors agreed with his decision to transition, and after two-months he decided against it.
He's happily male and shivers at the thought of transitioning, when we're out at the bar he becomes enraged whenever we tease his brash decision.
This is the only instance in which things could've gone south, and why I'm against minors having access to any permanent solutions to gender dysphoria - if a minor can't get a tattoo or plastic surgery, they shouldn't be given hormone therapy.

These "gender identities" take less commitment than committing to a subculture; truthfully, an emo kid from the 2010s put more effort into altering their appearance than the average "trans" person today.
This is a form of social revolt, one that dies down, both as the participants age and as the concept gets old.
If right-wingers wanted fewer trans people, they would leave them alone, any direct form of governance leads to further revolt - not to mention, it's entirely wrong for the government to insert itself into social dynamics.
Let kids experiment in their youths, I promise they'll grow out of it.

(2/2)

>>24865245
Everything you say reinforces the idea that all this is a result of social engineering which is the fucking "right-wing" position.

>>24865294
I'm suggesting that it comes from the same social identities as emo or goth.
That the majority of people are not transitioning in the standard context, but instead youthful exploration that ends without consequence.

What a gay thread

>>24864279
wendell berry

>>24864279
just take estrogen for a couple months and see how you feel with no testosterone in your body desu. It's not that hard and a couple months won't do anything if you wanna back out.

>>24864459
only good post in this thread

>>24865294
To be fair >>24865245 does seem to imply there are "true" transgenders who do not need social conditioning to come to their conclusion that they are transgender (as in, 'born in the wrong body')
I would assume it's like DID or "multiple personality disorder", easily faked by delusional idiots for attention from people who don't know what it actually is like or how it develops, but ultimately a real thing independent of them which remains present even as hordes of teenagers grow out of claiming it as one of many random disposable identities they slapped onto a xitter bio for clout
Except since it's part of the LGTV stuff questioning it or bringing up concerns about it being glamorized or misunderstood makes it easy for outrage-addicted lobotomites to declare you a clone of Hitler in disguise

>>24864459
this would be kinda hype actually

>>24865061
>can't walk outside after dark because even the most stick-thin incel with no muscle mass can overpower and rape/kill you
Easily remedied by using the handful of braincells in my dumb femoid brain not dedicated to gossip and makeup tutorials to avoid blacks and carry a pistol.

>>24865381
Maybe there is some truth to it but so far every argument for "true trannies" can be applied to the idea that there exists such a thing as "true taxi drivers", people born to be taxi drivers.
There are significant widespread structural, measurable differences between the brain of a taxi driver and a normal for example. You also need a long list of genetic predispositions which can be framed by propagandists as finding the "taxi driver gene".
Either way, in practice I don't actually give a shit except as an intellectual exercise. No matter how real "true trannies" are the social engineers are just as deranged and destructive. The "pride parades" are blatantly subversive and the culture around all this shit never helped even one single person.

>>24865414
I have no idea what exactly 'subversive' is supposed to imply other than some conspiracy to undermine the country intentionally, nor what else would count as 'blatantly subversive'
Culture and Pride activists definitely fucked everyone though. If it just was considered a really weird rare medical condition like Parkinsons or something and not something literally any hypochondriac could and should demand treatments for I suspect a lot of them would have been better off

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>>24864926
im glad my brain had time focus on the cute side before seeing the whole pic

>>24865427
>what would count as 'blatantly subversive'
The originators stating it's subversive. The literal subversion of established symbols like national flags and national parades to attack what they used to represent while claiming you're doing something else.
>what else would count as 'blatantly subversive'
Marxists like Jones of Jonestown fame writing about how they spent their entire lives rising through the Catholic church explicitly to undermine it from the inside.

>>24865249
That's all well and good but the goth subculture didn't push hormone treatment and sketchy medical procedures on kids. The trans trend does and there are people that fall for it. Either because of autism, grooming or gooning.

Trans ideology is furthermore unique amongst trends as it seeks to redefine words such as woman and man and pushes for changes in legislature. These changes then allow perverts and mentally ill people, the sex obsessed middle aged freak troons for instance, to move into formerly unisex spaces like changing rooms and to create predatory opportunities such as 'drag queen story hours'.

>>24865414
>Maybe there is some truth to it but so far every argument for "true trannies" can be applied to the idea that there exists such a thing as "true taxi drivers", people born to be taxi drivers.
Intensional fallacy.

>>24864303
SEXOOOOO

>>24864279
You must get out of the meme left-wing vs right-wing dichotomy and think in terms of life meaning and sanity. Right-wingers tend to get some things right but there is such a discrepancy between the various views which can be labeled as such that it has become quite useless to use, even more so when it's associated with hatred and low iq slop.

I don't know if you feel this way because of pornography or due to some other reason but I do know that today many young people do feel like this due to porn, there's enough evidence on this very website if you go on the red boards (you shouldn't) and as someone who used to consume such materials from pornhub, I can tell for a fact that almost every femboy or transgender video with comments was full of people questioning if they are gay after watching it, or appreciating it even if they were supposed to be straight and so on. You might know this yourself. For people to deny that this is a serious problem today just because such deviant sexualities also existed in the past, is delusional. Are we now also going to justify high crime rates because crimes always existed?

I may sound subjective but I can only speak based on what I've seen with my eyes. Now, you mentioned the Bible and people repeating from it, perhaps in a moralistic way. For sure that such an approach is counter-productive to their supposed aim of saving others, I would have never been convinced by such an empty moralism myself and I neglected Christianity for a long time also due to this factor. What made me change my disposition towards Christianity however was delving into Eastern Orthodoxy, which I discovered to have a therapeutic approach. If you start reading from its vast literary tradition (which is impossible to ever be exhausted in only one human lifespan), it's impossible to not find a piece of information or a story with which you will more or less identify your own personal issues, no matter what those are. Not to mention that no other christian church has as many saints and martyrs in the 20th century as the Eastern Orthodox Church and their teachings are very relevant to our times. But the real game changer is the spiritual practice and the means which Orthodoxy has to sustain it, from the majestic divine liturgy with its rituals and smell of incense to the therapeutic confession, the eucharist (which is the genuine body and blood of our Lord) and the everyday prayers. If you are a seeker of truth and want to have a meaningful life through repentance and spiritually transforming yourself, this is the right path.

If you want to have a more personal discussion about this, here is my discord: tulsi0274

God bless you, anon.

>>24864279
It's too late. I will raep, conquer, and dominate the failed man that you have become while you feel euphoric from being treated like a toy.

>>24865502
Retard fallacy.

>>24865061
Occurs so rarely that it's practically fantasy. The world is safer than it's ever been, stop pretending that all women are constantly in danger; the vast majority have no idea what danger even is.

>>24865080
Fair point, but I should think it would feel just as good to get fucked in the pussy.

>>24865061
Move to the countryside. The bears are busy fucking each other and I was told that the outdoors are white supremacist.

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>>24864303
lift, eat meat, and stop being a degenerate.

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>>24864279
just watch the show "i am jazz'' from start to finish. if, that done, you still think men can have woman's souls and that doctors can transform a male body into a female one, there's no reaching you.

>>24866291
>no our rite of passage is spiritual
what a stupid fucking thing to say holy shit.

>>24864279
99% chance you'll be dead of suicide before the end of the decade

>>24866297
No need to be mad because you haven‘t passed it yet.

>>24864303
>What's the right wing solution for trannies?
The one true silver bullet is to make the argument (not via talking, but via memes) that the assumptions that underly Transgenderism are simply incorrect. False. Lies.
For example: The idea that the body and the mind are completely independent from one annother. This is false. The body and mind are one.
See:
https://odysee.com/@keithwoods:e/wokeism-our-transhuman-future:4
https://odysee.com/@keithwoods:e/the-crisis-of-western-thought-the-road:d
for more.

>>24866291
You have a double digit IQ. Lifting is not the answer to everything you absolute retard

>>24866356
all rites of passage are supposed to be spirtual. this isn't new.

>>24866291
Why are so many young men obsessed with porn and the need to "quit" it?

Looking at porn is not like taking an actual drug. It's not like snorting a line of coke or even smoking a joint. It's not "addictive". It's not even that fun.

>>24866377
I realize after posting how lame this sounds, but it's the truth.
We need to develop idea-vaccines. A refuting truth enveloped in humor or an equal medium.
Everything else is just treating the symptoms.

>>24866477
Looking at porn once isn’t going to kill you. Looking at it regularly disrupts the psyche, and that manifests in physical symptoms. Are you Jewish by chance?

>>24864279
No. There is not and cannot be.

>>24866377
Whether the body and the mind are independent is a metaphysical question. Whether the distress associated with gender dysphoria can be alleviated by means other than hormones and surgery is an empirical one, and one for which the evidence seems to point broadly to "no".

>>24866496
I'm as white as the driven snow. How does pornography "disrupt the psyche"? Sounds like a bunch of nonsense.

>>24864418
So what are you going to do with the minority who continue to exist even when the porn is gone?

>>24864707
You'd get dysphoria from being in a body that's the wrong sex for your brain though.

>>24865061
God created men, Sam Colt made them equal.

>>24864713
How do you balance the interests of those suffering from induced gender dysphoria who shouldn't transition with the interests of those suffering from innate gender dysphoria who should?

>>24865249
>and why I'm against minors having access to any permanent solutions to gender dysphoria - if a minor can't get a tattoo or plastic surgery, they shouldn't be given hormone therapy
What about those who actually are persistently gender dysphoric, and for whom the puberty of their natal sex would therefore be just as catastrophic as mistakenly transitioning would be for one who isn't actually persistently gender dysphoric?

>>24865414
To my understanding there is some difference observable in trans people's brains even pre-transition.

>>24864303
Why did this post get so many replies?
Something tells me a whole lot of trannies and tranny-adjacent lurk these boards.

>>24866654
You can easily find correlations in brain structure at birth with careers later in life if you really look. You can easily convince yourself that's significant if it fits your preconceptions. If you have ideological reasons to believe that you're in even more danger of misleading yourself. If there's a culture that actively punishes any criticism of "research" that reinforces your ideologically motivated preconceptions you have almost no chance of not deceiving yourself and anyone who reads your pile of horseshit. If you're a woman that "almost" vanishes, you have no chance.

>>24866671
I don't necessarily claim to know that it's 100% fixed at birth, but I'm fairly certain there are at least biological influences.

>>24866632
Let’s say a rudimentary definition of the psyche for this argument is one’s mental and emotional life. Viewing pornography regularly desensitizes you to shocking and lurid images, and this creates conflict in your mind by blurring the line between what’s normal and what isn’t. We don’t live in a world where people are nude and having sex 24/7. So when a person who views porn regularly goes out into the “normal” world, that person’s brain is conflicted. This is why so many men who use porn report increased anxiety around women, difficulty getting and keeping an erection, inability to form lasting emotional relationships with women. Their brains have literally been rewired for a world that doesn’t exist outside of images that were produced to provide a shocking reaction.

>>24866674
Biology also influences your career and if you do heroin but nobody is born a taxi driver, heroin addict, gay or tranny.

>>24866676
Does written erotica have the same negative effect?

>>24864303
Trannies dont exist, those are just male perverts

>>24864279
Suffering builds character. Take it like a man, ma'am.

>>24866477
It's been trending on Tiktok, Discord and other places high schoolers congregate since Jordan Peterson told them to clean their rooms. They'll grow out of it. It's their generation's "faces of atheism" where you basedjack about how above everything you are by joining some gay movement that claims to fix all your problems by focusing on something or other.

>>24866683
Yes, what you read produces images in your mind that linger. Think of the millions of women that read Fifty Shades of Gray, and how that surely distorted their perception of men.

>>24866708
So should I just masturbate to my imagination? Is there any harm in writing down my own fantasies?

>>24866714
>>24866714
>So should I just masturbate to my imagination?
Humans were fine with that for a couple hundred thousand years.
>Is there any harm in writing down my own fantasies?
I haven’t thought about that much, so I can’t say.

>>24864303
unironic answer, therapy to get trannies comfortable with their own body.
I hate being a man, and I would much rather be a woman, but I won't bullshit around the fact that no amount of hormones or surgery will ever make me a real woman. It is what it is.

>>24866735
>unironic answer, therapy to get trannies comfortable with their own body.
And if that doesn't work? If no amount of therapy can get them to be okay with their body as it is?

>>24864303
>right wing
>solution
thatd be a first kek

>>24866653
It would have to require extensive testing.
If a system can exist with immense regulation I wouldn't be fully against it.
Although, my fears would extend to neural development - I think it requires further research.

>>24866768
What if desistance is already pretty rare?

>>24864279
Gooner up there isn't wrong, the absolute worse case is permanently turning into a biological woman, which if you live in the West isn't bad at all, best case is taking your million.

Are the rules that you can hit it as many times as you want? Smashing it 50 times may not make you female but it can make you wealthy enough to not care.

>>24866737
>If no amount of therapy can get them to be okay with their body as it is?
Some people just won't be helped and spending tens of thousands of dollars so as to aid them in mutilating themselves isn't going to make it better.

>>24866867
Empirically it does.

>>24866634
These people are so rare, it would amount to living in New York while 20 guys also living in New York run around in dresses. I.e. they can be ignored.

>>24866641
Fascinating choice of words. You seem to be viewing your body as a flesh suit that is separate from you. Other people don't. They say things like 'I am fat'.

>>24866647
We don't. Medicine can't fix everything. Innate trannies have to learn to deal with their condition, because we can not heal them.

>>24866966
A rest-of-your-body-besides-your-brain, then. Surely your brain is at least the location of the majority of your selfhood.
>>24866970
What about the fact that cross-sex hormones usually alleviate their distress significantly?

>>24866874
Empirically it doesn't.

>>24866971
>What about the fact that cross-sex hormones usually alleviate their distress significantly?
Empirically they don't.

>>24866972
>>24866975
51 studies disagree with you.
https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

>>24866661
Kind of an interesting take on a hotbutton topic. Not so much 'what would you do?' as 'what might you think?'

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personally i'm 100% for letting people choose their gender. don't see the big deal. from the perspective of society it's just a matter of loosening and expanding the concept of 'real man' or 'real woman'. unlike, seemingly, the majority of anons, i believe those concepts are convention rather than Platonic reality (albeit conventions with immensely long and deep histories). when anons say trans people are delusional, the accusation seems based on a category error, because they're not saying 'i'm a woman according to this existing conceptual definition', they're saying 'i'm a woman according to this new conceptual definition which i think should be accepted by society'. admittedly the waters are muddied here because people who are pro-trans often ignore that distinction themselves.

>>24864279
A good beating would cure any manchild

>>24866981
You might find this series of blog posts arguing back and forth interesting.
https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/11/21/the-categories-were-made-for-man-not-man-for-the-categories/
http://unremediatedgender.space/2018/Feb/the-categories-were-made-for-man-to-make-predictions/
https://thingofthings.wordpress.com/2018/06/18/man-should-allocate-some-more-categories/
http://unremediatedgender.space/2019/Dec/reply-to-ozymandias-on-fully-consensual-gender/

>>24866661
a) we have a tranny board retard
b) 4chan is not a safe space for brain dead /pol/nogs

>>24866981
>personally i'm 100% for letting people choose their gender.
The whole point of the existence of trannies and genderfags is being a walking compliance test. It's not like you can see a man and say man, the system will punish you. So you better not slip. If you cannot change something as basic as seeing a man and saying man, maybe you're too honest to exist within this system. You value facts too much, you need to be reprogrammed.
See, trannies never gave a fuck about people "understanding", they just want them to bend the knee at gunpoint and kill them if they don't. They are gleeful when straight people die, or cis men die, they would personally rape all normal children until they're all corrupt trannies like themselves. I have been around leftists, they are absolutely vicious. So at gunpoint you say ma'am, and you say that the fat woman is beautiful, and you say that the nigger is your countryman and comrade, and everything is fine, because you don't want to go into a gulag for objecting against the system
all these trannies you "discuss" things are just playing a farce to make you feel like they're reasonable, but they're always so self-assured because they don't care about the discussion at all, they'd just put you into a gulag where you get tortured every day. They are not people but evil golems who exist to force compliance onto everyone and establish a system where you have to renounce even the fucking reality of facts. That's why trannies are pushed so hard by institutions, they're fundamentally a bioweapon

>>24866971
>Surely your brain is at least the location of the majority of your selfhood
No, it is not. Have you ever drunk a couple of beers or have been really sick or have been in serious pain? Our selfhood is a product of our body. Normal people don't separate their bodies from their selfhood. Maybe that's why you are a troon that hates his own body?

>cross-sex hormones alleviate troonism
Hormones have an effect on mood. Testosterone gives energy, for example. The hormones don't have to be cross-sex for that. If hormone treatment was really helping troons, then it would reflect on their suicide rates. Which remain unchanged.

>>24864279
What if I'm already a girl, what then?

>>24865551
best post so far

>>24867030
most of these people don't actually want to be a woman, they just want to be feminized men larping as women because they see your gender in a degrading way, terfs are right

>>24867035
aw

>>24867026
If Alice and Bob's brains are switched into each other's rest-of-bodies, and I tell you to point to where Alice is, where are you going to point?
>If hormone treatment was really helping troons, then it would reflect on their suicide rates. Which remain unchanged.
I already showed that 51 studies disagree with you >>24866977

>>24867048
>If Alice and Bob's brains are switched into each other's rest-of-bodies, and I tell you to point to where Alice is, where are you going to point?
I wouldn't need to point to any one of them, because if the brains were still working, Alice or Bob could tell me who is who. What makes you so sure that the bodies won't affect the personalities of Alice and Bob? A male body produces a different level of hormones, which affect the brain, as it is merely an organ within a body. Here's another question. What's more important your heart or your brain? Only a troon splits themselves from their body to such a degree.

In my country treatment is legally required to be affirming, never doubting of the troons gender delusions. Studies coming out of such a system are worse than garbage. Btw, suicide rates don't drop after sex change operations.

>>24867055
>I wouldn't need to point to any one of them, because if the brains were still working, Alice or Bob could tell me who is who.
And you don't think the body Alice's brain is in would answer "yes" to "are you Alice?"
>What makes you so sure that the bodies won't affect the personalities of Alice and Bob?
Oh, probably, but their memories and personality would be much more like the person whose brain it was.
>A male body produces a different level of hormones, which affect the brain, as it is merely an organ within a body.
Doesn't that apply equally to a trans person taking hormones?

>>24867072
Sure, the brain contains working memore and cognitive functions. It's still just a part of our bodies. Our personhood consists not only of our active thoughts, but also emotions, general behaviour and habits. Those are all informed, if not enforced by our bodies. To say our brains are we as a person is to say our small intestine is our digestion..
Truth is, we don't know what would happen if we were to transfer one brain into another body. It might create a weird mix of two personalities as the foreign brain is subject to another body.

>Doesn't that apply equally to a trans person taking hormones?
Yeah, but trans people don't actually have brains of the sex they wish they were. Hormones affect the brain whether they are cross-sex or not.

>>24864484
This like saying that someone with lung cancer and someone with heart disease have a potentially lethal infliction, so therefore they both have the same disease. Lmao holy retard

>>24864303
If they had a plan, it would be treating it as a form of mental disorder, but they can't even do that. They don't actually offer treatment options and instead insist that the condition is entirely dependent on the falling-apart of the family whilst they want to do nothing that would actually leas to the restoration of the family unit, since the right mainly consists of 1) retards and 2) neoliberals (whether they realize it or not)

>>24864279
If you're still willing to even look at this godforsaken thread, OP, maybe try looking at literature about how shit life could be as a medieval peasant woman or something about practical, directly-experienced pains in the ass women would deal with, then try reading something about gender roles being inverted (A Brother's Price, I hear, isn't bad) that isn't total porn and consider if you want to be treated as girls (stereotypically) are, or if you actually want to be different physically
Literature about things of a nonhuman perspective or detachment from normal human biology (maybe not as extreme as All Tomorrows) may also interest you
>>24867019
This all reads like a paranoid rant about things you want to believe because you are entirely fueled by disgust and outrage based on that which you can't or won't prove. So do a good chunk of the posts in this thread.
>My opponents don't really say anything they believe, they're just lying and have no true desires other than hurting us
>My opponents want all of us raped and slaughtered, they're all disgusting gooner addict psychos
>My opponents need to be feared and hated or else they will destroy everything with a deliberate and fully-understood conspiracy/plan they don't want you to know
>My opponents are always wrong about what they assert and should never be even entertained
>No amount of vitriol to anyone I think is part of them can ever truly be wrong and if you disagree you're one of them too

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>>24864315
Autism + porn addiction = autogynephilia (fake transgenderism). A large section of the MTF community are like this. You can tell them apart by if they consider themselves "lesbians" or not. These people need ruin it for the actual trannies that were born with their odd brains and can't help it.

>>24867092
They do to some extent, though it's complicated. (If other types of intersex conditions exist, why are you so convinced that there can't be intersex conditions of the brain?)

>>24867135
Who said there are no intersex conditions for the brain?

>>24867103
>It's not happening
>okay it's happening but that's a good thing you heckin' fascist
update your cookbook, tranny. I am not disgusted with your mental illness, what disgust me is that you exist to police others' thoughts until they reject reality to embrace your retarded globohomo agenda and submit to the narrative
I hate you because you're evil

>>24867150
>Yeah, but trans people don't actually have brains of the sex they wish they were.
Unless I'm interpreting that overly narrowly.

>>24867178
Having an intersex condition does not make you the other sex. It just means parts of your biology are non functional or express some aspects of the other sex.

>>24867163
At what point did you fucking extrapolate the not-happening-to-it's-a-good-thing backslide from my response? Did you think I was >>24866981 samefagging?
Also, you're literally doing the
>Everyone who disagrees with me on this is an evil troon
and
>All the evil troons have a plan that they're knowingly carrying out
things at once. And for whatever it is worth to you I literally never said or thought that trans activists should be allowed to police people's thoughts and speech. You're just assuming shit about random people because it's easier to smugly or angrily disregard someone else's opinion then.

>>24864279
why is nobody talking about the million buckaroos

>>24865551
i don't think it's cause of porn but these people are more sexually active that is true

>>24864748
poojeet tier dishonest dykes

>>24867269
Luckily the guy talks as much as a woman and so the dykes barely get a word in.

>>24867127
you're born with agp desu nigga
t. agp

>>24864303
>what do right wingers want to do about a counterculture movement
Nothing.
You're talking about the populists.who also want trade protectionism and price controls.

It's entirely believable that evolution preserved closeted homos and bi-fags who went on to have children.

That it preserved grugs who felt an irresistible urge to dash their sexual organ with a rock else they find the nearest cliff to soar off of, is however, very much not believable.

>>24864279
I don't want to be a woman and I'd still push that button a ridiculous number of times. Becoming the richest person on earth is well worth the downside.

>>>/lgbt/
Idk why the tranny janny doesn’t move this bait to where it belongs

Why are fleshfags so fucking annoying?
All shall be replaced with the strength and certainty of steel soon, inshallah.

>>24864303
programmer socks

>>24864328
No, that's the "plan" for extremist right wingers. Sane right wingers don't give much of a shit as long as it's not in the middle of their life.

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>>24866737
Embrace nothingness.

>>24866737
why do you want to do anything to their minds? why do you think that would even change anything? whatever they think of themselves privatly isn't affecting you in any way, what's actually affecting you is karens using them as a culture war stick to beat you with

>>24864303
The right wing solution should be science. Science should be applied to find if there is any value to the proposition of the existence of a differentiated male and female brain. This is mostly accepted as a truth but poorly researched. Once this is thoroughly documented, it should be compared to tranny brains. If biological female brains are organically indistinguishable from tranny's, then being born in the wrong body is possible. Snip away the dick and such.
But I don't think this will happen. I think the tranny brain will be completely different from that of a man and a woman. Then science work should be applied on determining the origin of gender on the brain. I have a suspicion this either happens as a chromosomal encoding or is ceated in utero as an hormonal phenomenon. This way, foetal development should be closely monitored to find the moment in which the brain is gendered. My belief is that in this manner, the causes to homosexualism (and thus, trannyism) will fall into 4 categories 1)chromosomal causes. These will be rare and somewhat similar to hermaphroditism 2)Hormonal causes in utero. Into which most homosexuals will be lumped 3)Deviants. Homosexuals created through abuse and rape and such. 4)Mental illnesses. Psychiatric patients with homesexual tendencies. I feel that once thoroughly catalogued and understood, trannyism will fall into a mixture of 2) and 4)
Back in the late 90s and early 2000s there were a series of studies on hormonal effects during the late stages of gestation. Some scientist theorized that a high testosterone environment in útero, had the effect of feminizing the foetal brain. They cut the money on those researches, because they would. If science had been developed in that way, homosexuality could've been cured, feminist theory debunked and most of modern social sciences destroyed.

>>24867604
>implying right wingers care about science

>>24867612
Left wingers are the ones that made verboten studying gender through science. But yeah, right wingers are also antiscience. They are afraid of probing God's inexistence

>>24867287
Wrong, read Ray Blanchard.

>>24866676
If we're talking about something like "Two Girls One Cup" I would agree with you, but I doubt that viewing run of the mill porn is psychologically damaging. Most men, I would assume, know the difference between fantasy and reality. You can play a violent video game and not go on a shooting spree the next day. You can watch a war film and not suffer from PTSD for the rest of your life. I think it's sad that so many young men cannot find girlfriends and end up using this surrogate, but I doubt that they're sad and lonely because they watch too much pornhub. They're watching pornhub because they're alone. If porn were banned it would probably not solve anything.

>>24867616
politics in general suborns science, if you want actual science you shouldn't be rooting for either meme team

>>24867618
lol i have
let me guess you think ray blanchard is your weapon against trannies it's not

>>24867030
You have life on easy mode but will squander it because you can't fathom how bad it could've been, and sink into promiscuity to fill in the sense of emptiness of having everything but not knowing how to appreciate it, and end up used and busted, raising five kids as a tired single parent, but eventually delude yourself into believing it was all worth it since you technically did what society expected of you, and having kids is sooo great, and spend the rest of your life heavily medicated and whining about your broken body to anyone who stops to listen.

>>24867674
I never said that. But it’s obviously reductive to say AGP is genetic when he has compiled thousands of accounts of AGP or “transsexual” men who were exposed to porn at an abnormally young age, sexually abused, or other odd trauma e.g. they were dressed up in feminine clothes or humiliated by peers/relatives

>>24867812
idk i just had ota tv when it started at 8 or so still was able to imagine very vivid sexual scenarios

>>24865551
>What made me change my disposition towards Christianity however was delving into Eastern Orthodoxy
stopped reading.

>>24865551
>I can tell for a fact that almost every femboy or transgender video with comments was full of people questioning if they are gay after watching it, or appreciating it even if they were supposed to be straight and so on. You might know this yourself. For people to deny that this is a serious problem today just because such deviant sexualities also existed in the past, is delusional. Are we now also going to justify high crime rates because crimes always existed?
so... it's a problem because some people are confused about meme sexuality labels in the comments? that doesn't seem like much of a problem to me, and you didn't mention any other way in which it's a problem

>>24864309
This. Trannies are incredibly insufferable minority that are 10x more attention starved than fucking real WOMEN. They make themselves loud and obnoxious, they ignore or act aggressive against realistic approach of other people, contrary to their ideology people. No wonder normal people think they're lunatics. So some call them slurs, others stay silent or play along because they're afraid of being lynched by them. It's not like,"oh, they act like that because you're mean to them". No. Other people will always adapt to the group, despite their different views/ideologies/outlooks, but not trannies

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>>24864303
We are long past the point of being able to make these people normal again. I’m doubtful there ever was a point. We do not live in a rational world and no amount of evidence or logic demonstrating that their position makes no sense and is entirely destructive to everyone involved will change the positions of most troons. Many on the right have expressed their desire for this sort of resolution to the problem but it’s not going to work at this stage of the ideological conflict. That’s just how modernist ideologues work. Only a few intelligent or otherwise perceptive people are capable of realizing something is very wrong with their ideas before things get bad. Most are to far gone, to demoralized, as Yuri Bezmenov put it. They won’t be able to realize what they believe in is a lie until one of a few outcomes happens.

-they are already being taken to the gulags or whatnot by their new totalitarian overlords.
-the revolution has already otherwise destroyed their society and life so thoroughly and obviously that there is no way to rationalize their position anymore
-they are the useful idiots and are being betrayed by those who are more radical or of a different radical persuasion. Ie. Trannies being betrayed by Muslim radicals that were just using them the whole time.
-the counter revolutionary forces win and destroy their lives out of revenge. They get cast out of society and treated like irredeemable scum. Ie. what will probably happen when/if the right wins in the west.

>>24867900
>it's a problem because some people are confused about meme sexuality labels in the comments?
in case it wasn't obvious enough, they got into homosexuality and transgenderism because of watching those porn videos, that's what they are admiting

all this debate around something that literally doesn't exist. there is no such thing as gender. it is impossible to identify as any gender. the cure to transgenderism is the same as the cure to religion. culture itself is based on delusion and must be destroyed. no culture, no delusion.

>>24864303
What should be the solution for people who think they're a lion? And want to prey on children like Lions?

Should everyone enable their delusion, or should they receive a mix of help and suppresion to stop them endangering children?

>>24864365
then why can't you meet his challenge?

>please tell me where is the difference between saying that your body is the wrong sex vs. thinking that your right hand isn't actually yours.

If it's so dumb, please explain why, should be easy.

>>24867094
See >>24864519 and >>24864524

>>24864303
>What's the right wing solution for trannies?
Psychiatry.

>>24864279
Just read the pulps.

>>24866735
I'm glad I'm too much of a narcissist to transition.

>>24867127
I think the porn addiction matters less than the autism, emasculation, and social isolation they endured as children.

If you gave these people a gf, a large portion of them would be able to supress the AGP, even if those feelings still existed due to childhood trauma.

Society prefers to just let them become women rather than actually solving these issues.

>>24868009
>We are long past the point of being able to make these people normal again.
If they desire to change and find compassionate people that can support them in their struggle to become normal, they can change. With those that don't want to change, you indeed can't argue but we shouldn't be concerned too much with that, in fact the problem of many right-wingers is that they think just as oligarchs, seeing people as masses and not as individuals and that is also irrational. Maybe most trannies can no longer be saved but individual trannies can and we should reach out to them, not by proselytizing anti-transgenderism in a counter-productive way but we should let them know that if they want to change, we are here for them.

>>24870164
women can sense female envy and those that can't will get the ick when they start wanting to wear her clothes

>>24866641
Dysphoria comes from an incongruence between one's outward appearance and one's self-image. Being a faceblind autist that can barely recognize myself in a photograph, I wouldn't have much of a problem there. In fact, I think that's the reason why trannyism has exploded in recent years. Take a bunch of autistic men without a strong self-image, tell them they're bad and wrong, both for being men and for not being able to be PC/woke/whatever, and then hold up womanhood as a shining beacon of perfection, and you end up with a ton of bandwagoners.

Body dysphoria is a real thing, and throughout history you would see it manifest in transvestites and third genders and the like, but suddenly we have orders of magnitude more people claiming to be affected by it than ever before. Did a secret Soviet gay bomb feminize the brains of millions of Americans? Or did we accidentally create a society that encourages people to larp as having an obscure psychological condition for various social reasons?

>>24866647
There is no difference. You can resolve the issue by changing the self-image to match the body or vice versa. I would argue that attempting to treat it with psychological interventions first is better since those are less likely to result in unforeseen long-term effects, but that's not a popular opinion these days.

>>24871082
>psychological interventions... are less likely to result in unforeseen long-term effects
psychological interventions typically don't even have the intended effect, so this is probably true on a technicality
if you're arguing that it's true even as a ratio of unintended effect size to intended effect size, i am quite certain it is incorrect

>>24871133
My understanding is that counseling is as or more effective in treating gender dysphoria than actually transitioning. Whether this represents an actual success in modifying dysphoric individuals' self-image or simply weeding out bandwagoners who aren't genuinely dysphoric, I don't know, but either way it seems like a more reasonable first step than just handing out the titty skittles to anyone who asks on a whim and leaving all the detransitioners to deal with it on their own afterward.

Simply crossdressing without hormone therapies seems to have been a fairly effective self-treatment for thousands of years so I don't really get the insistence these days on transitioning as early as conceivably possible. This is purely speculation, but I would guess that most if not all potential transitioners who are absolutely concerned with passing are simply bandwagoners; people with genuine dysphoria are typically more happy with their lives after transitioning even when they become gigahons that could never pass even in a million years.

>>24871215
>My understanding is that counseling is as or more effective in treating gender dysphoria than actually transitioning.
your understanding is incorrect, and i have no idea where you would have gotten it

>>24871309
You may be right, I admit I'm not particularly familiar with the literature on the subject. Can you direct me to some studies on the matter so I can inform myself?

>>24867201
And if someone's brain expresses aspects of the other sex?

>>24867547
And if that doesn't work?
>>24867557
My point is that I think they should get the treatment that they need, i.e. transition, since that's the best and often only way for them to suffer less.

>>24867604
>feminist theory debunked
How do you figure? You can acknowledge that men's and women's brains are different while still advocating for a society that has equal concern for men's and women's interests (which traditional patriarchy very much did not).

>>24871082
>Dysphoria comes from an incongruence between one's outward appearance and one's self-image. Being a faceblind autist that can barely recognize myself in a photograph, I wouldn't have much of a problem there.
Can you not tell male humans from female ones?
>In fact, I think that's the reason why trannyism has exploded in recent years. Take a bunch of autistic men without a strong self-image, tell them they're bad and wrong, both for being men and for not being able to be PC/woke/whatever, and then hold up womanhood as a shining beacon of perfection, and you end up with a ton of bandwagoners.
So what about all the FtMs? That's gone up too.
>Body dysphoria is a real thing, and throughout history you would see it manifest in transvestites and third genders and the like, but suddenly we have orders of magnitude more people claiming to be affected by it than ever before.
Demand curves. The more medically feasible and socially acceptable transition gets, the less the degree that the dysphoria has to get to before they start acting on it.
>You can resolve the issue by changing the self-image to match the body or vice versa.
Okay, and if the former doesn't work?

>>24871215
>This is purely speculation, but I would guess that most if not all potential transitioners who are absolutely concerned with passing are simply bandwagoners; people with genuine dysphoria are typically more happy with their lives after transitioning even when they become gigahons that could never pass even in a million years.
They may be happier than they were but still far less happy than they would be if they passed.

>>24871791
>So what about all the FtMs? That's gone up too.
FtMs aren't real, it's just tomboy erasure.

>>24871972
And the ones who insist they desperately want to be men and take testosterone?

>>24864303
A non-retarded, non-ugly masculinity, which is difficult because contemporary rightism is overwhelmingly just retarded, ugly masculinity.
I would rather be the most autistic, embarrassing, ugly transbian you can find than embrace what it means to be seen as a man in 2025. Even if I'm still seen as a man, to be obviously transgender at least makes clear that if I'm doing my damnedest to reject it.

(There's a good chunk of "neutral" autistic/art-ish men out there who are neither transgender nor retarded and ugly, but unfortunately they're irrelevant, and a chunk always flake off into becoming retarded and ugly, or trooning. If these men were an archetype of their own, cleanly separated from the uglier type of manhood, that would be a start.)

>>24871764
Then what? It's still not a female brain in a male body.

>>24871975
Tomboy erasure

by their uncles cock.

>>24872608
It's a brain that is female-typical in at least some ways.

>>24872619
And? A man with a hormonal syndrome that gives him moobs is not a woman. Not even his chest area would be female, just malformed.

>>24866634
who cares? there have always existed freaks living on the margins of society. if they piss somebody off, they'll get punched. if they commit a crime, they'll go to prison. there's no need for society-wide top-down action just because in some small town there is a local weirdo that hoards old newspapers and barks like a dog.

>>24872621
The point is that if someone has a feminized brain it's not surprising that they would experience male body features as incongruous since their brain is wired for female ones, and vice versa.

>>24864303
>All the right wingers replying with "we don't want to get rid of trannies, we actually love them!"
What the fuck is the point of your politics? Your two big things were (1) forcing everyone to donate their money to multibillionaires and (2) hating trannies. The first one is obviously retarded, and we all know right wingers won't do shit about trannies.

>>24872627
Yes, and? What is your point? That rare cases of unfortunate born troons exist? Fine.

>they would experience male body features as incongruous since their brain is wired for female ones
That's stupid. We learn what our bodies are, how they look and behave while growing up. A woman with a huge, manly cleft-chin jaw does not experience dysphoria because her chin is male even though she may be unhappy with her facial looks.

>>24872640
Some in fact do! The human brain contains at least some priors for what the body is supposed to look like, and these are biased by sex.

>>24872647
>The human brain contains at least some priors for what the body is supposed to look like
Likely true in the broadest of terms. Given that no human grows up without seeing other people, I fail to see how you would ever provide any evidence for

>these are biased by sex.
Because that's just conjecture by you. Normal, healthy people may be unhappy with their body, but they don't feel as if their fat butt is not their fat butt. Stop making baseless claims to justify your mental disorder.

>>24871764
>>24872619
MTF brains are distinct from female brains. AGP is not caused by feminized brains, which makes sense since women don't generally experience it.

>>24864926
>>24864956
you're mixing up lifetime suicide attempts with post-transition suicide attempts.
if someone tries to kill themselves 6 times, then realizes the reason they're always miserable is that they're a tranny, transitions, and then lives happily ever after, you put them down as part of the 50% who've attempted suicide because they have attempted suicide during their lifetime, even though they've never attempted suicide after transitioning.

>>24865061
modern first world women are the safest anyone's ever been in the history of the world and the fact that they obsessively self-insert themselves into extremely unlikely outlier scenarios like junko furuta is only evidence that they're actually safer that they wish they were

>>24872734
Ok. Do you have solid numbers to back up that troons who underwent treatment stop killing themselves at such a high rate?

>>24872734
Let's say you are correct, and? How does that change anything? That now, by caring about trans people, 42% of them decide to commit suicide before transition? Lmao. It's still the same, except we've make them so dependent that transitioning and passing is a death or life matter, while old time trannies didn't care about looking like a man.

WHAT THE FUCK DOES TROONS HAVE TO DO WITH LITERATURE

HOW THE FUCK IS THIS STILL UP

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>24873594
don't just ask that, rather ask why everytime there is some tranny related thread it stays up for around one entire week and gathers hundreds of replies

>>24864279
I dont get it, shes a girl already so she's just pushing it a bunch for the money?

>>24864303
The right actually respects trans folk more than the left

>>24864303
step 1: stop peddling any sort of sexuality to children
step 2: stop telling people that it's possible to be born in the wrong body
step 3: wait for the "gender dysphoria" to stop on it's own thanks to puberty.

that's all you need to do for 80% of cases. as for the unfortunate, negligibly tiny minority: figure it the fuck out on your own. my tax dollars are not for a nutter's sex change, earn the money and pay for it yourself. or don't! crossdress and change your name and call yourself a woman, i don't care. I only care about your bullshit being codified into law, about the abuse of children by degenerates, and the invasion of women's spaces by men in dresses. YWNBAW

>>24874182
>the invasion of women's spaces
negative polarization against troons has got you talking like you're part of atheism+, give your head a wobble.

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>>24864279
You don't want to be a girl, you just gave up on being a man. Except- say it with me- you will never be a woman and any alternative lifestyle you pursue will be a terrible, unfulfilling, transparent lie. You'll have to surround yourself with other delusional or maliciously enabling people to keep from having your bubble popped with every interaction and the dread of your choices crashing down on you. A man is all you'll ever be, so make it work. If you are struggling with this, stop jacking off, go do something productive, and it'll fix you. I'm dead fucking serious. It's that easy. Get good at fixing plumbing or something. Go camping and start leaning bushcraft. Buy a piece of shit car and touch it up best you can. Put something grounding and material in your life so you aren't existing purely in abstractions, outside of your own body. Tie your identity to that. Ground yourself. Despite what activists tell you, intrusive thoughts and compulsions are not the end-all measure of who you are. You are your actions.

>>24874242
Ok but what if I don't want to look like a bald masculine freak when I'm older

>>24872666
So why is distress about the features of one's sex and desire to change them correlated with certain sex-atypical neurological features?
>>24872674
>AGP is not caused by feminized brains
AGP is a causal factor for some but not all MtFs.
>which makes sense since women don't generally experience it
Notably, it is not unheard of among natal women, though it's not common.

>>24874265
That's not a freak. That's just what a man looks like. Would you rather look like a bald, feminine freak when you're older? Like the exact same man, but in a dress, with saggy lightbulb tits?
https://youtu.be/rRZ-IxZ46ng?feature=shared

>>24874292
Again, you do realize that aging is primarily governed by hormones right?

>>24874296
Taking estrogen isn't going to save you from aging, but let's just grant that 100%. If you're so concerned about going bald at 50 that you'll cut your dick off and take hormones for decades, you're just a child who overvalues their youth. Funny thing is that if you think it'll stop you from looking like a freak, you're walking right into it.

>>24874447
>Taking estrogen isn't going to save you from aging
No, but it will cause you to age in the ways that women do, rather than men.

>>24874459
You are severely overestimating it. You're also sidestepping the point that you have an unhealthy fear of aging and you're willing to mutilate yourself and make yourself far more repulsive to people to escape it.

>>24874479
What parts of aging exactly are coded directly on the Y chromosome rather than being downstream of hormones? Do you expect women with CAIS or Swyer syndrome to age like men?

>>24874497
>anyhow, back to aging
No. I'm warning you with the utmost love you can to a stranger that even if I grant trooning out will theoretically reduce aging by 10%, it will not be worth turning yourself into a circus freak. Why are you scared? How old are you?

>>24874531
I'm not talking about "reducing" aging, I'm talking about female vs. male aging. Men and women both age at the same rate but not in the same manner.

>>24874538
I hope you don't fall for it and join the pile. Best of luck to you.

>>24864279
anything that convinces you into killing yourself

>>24874564
nigger

>>24864926
>It could be solved just by going to therapy.
there is a monstrous consensus among therapists, counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and physicians that transgender people can not just push their gender dysphoria down and forget it

so then of course you will just say that is because all mental health professionals are brainwashed in order to reaffirm your misconceptions about this problem

>>24864279
I do feel like this not because I feel like being a troon even a little bit but because how much easier my life would be if I was a girl

>>24875393
Sure, keep telling yourself that.

>>24866477
The brain damage frequent pornigraphy viewing does can be physically measured.

>>24864707
>live life on "easy mode"
>only if you're good looking and younger than 22
>otherwise just become a smaller, slower, weaker, dumber version of yourself

>>24864303
I don't even understand the question. Solution? What's there to solve. It's like asking what's the solution to the sun setting or what's the solution to the existence of fungi. Just nonsensical.
>BUT PEOPLE AREN'T HAPPY :((((
So? People will never be happy. A utopia will never exist. Time to grow up.
>WE NEED TO STOP ALL SUFFERING EVERYWHERE
This is just arrogance. Universal cosmic good is for God to handle, not you. You're not capable. Know your limits and know your place. Second of all this idea is sourced from a morality system that is inherently flawed. It comes from the axiom that all suffering is inherently bad. The first flaw, is that if you are coming at this from a secular materialist perspective, the existence of suffering is not something that you can rigorously or materially prove. Suffering only exists as the subjective experience of a conscious observer. You can't empirically prove that other conscious observers exist and so you can't empirically prove that others are even capable of suffering.

Second, like I said suffering is entirely subjective and cannot be measured objectively, which results in a nonsensical morality system. Let's say that hypothetically you were to cut my arms off and for whatever reason I was completely okay with this. Well in that case my suffering would be negligible and so would it then be okay to cut my arms off? How can you claim I suffer if I claim I don't? And conversely if a child is forced to eat vegetables and throws a temper tantrum, can it not be said that the child is experiencing a great deal of suffering, at least from its perspective?

Lastly, this entire system is predicated on the idea that suffering is inherently bad. Suffering can be bad, but not always. It's far better to be strong than weak and strength can only be acquired through enduring suffering. A world without suffering is ultimately a world without strength. You can't condemn a tree while enjoying its fruits.

>>24875455
You type like you have brain damage
>>24875518
>what's the solution for a broken arm
>a cast and lots of rest
>wow but that's a fake solution because like, people will be unhappy anyway, broken arms or not
A utopia, even if not achievable, is an ideal we can approach and tend to without actually reaching. Most people understand that we want society to be happier even though it won't be perfect

>>24875396
I'm not a delusional person who wanna cut his penis nor feel "discomfort" from my sex. I'm not "telling myself anything" you retard