Why 120 days of Sodom so popular among Zoomers despite the fact the book is out right degenerated?
>>24867176It's not popular among any generation. Are you retarded? It probably reached its peak of popularity in 60s France with all the other degenerate authors.
>>24867181What's wrong with French people...
People that watch Gaspar Noe movies think it’s cool to read it. Most of the value from De Sade tends to be secondary (other writers taking about his work). I don’t think there’s anything impressive on the literary side in his works. If someone reads him because of Bataille or something or it’s their focus to read Libertine stuff, I understand. Otherwise, it’s just LARP to seem edgy.
Anyone claiming to love this is just an edgelord. The book is unfinished but even then reading it all the way through is itself an act of masochism. And not because it's gross, but because it's just a tedious catalogue of fetishes. There's only so many variations on "[PERVERT CLERGYMAN] does [SCAT STUFF] with [WHORE]" you can read before it becomes tiresome and you have to put the book down. He desperately needed an editor.
>>24867206He was imprisoned when he wrote it, and made it using one scroll he would hide in the walls. If he had a chance to finish it, I don’t doubt he would have edited it some. I don’t think that would have saved it though lol. If someone wants to seriously read De Sade, Juliette is actually good. 120 Days is more a work to be picked at as I’ve stated than appreciated for its literary value. https://youtu.be/n8vyhL1Qmdk?si=CcKSZUs62qgKCrkW
>>24867213The part where one of the libertines talked about wanting to blot out the sun out of spite for the human race was interesting. If it had more exploration of their philosophy and less repetitive gooning, it would have been better.
>>24867234I think this is why it’s his most enduring work (infamous wise). It’s the most pointless/tasteless which is the most in line with the mainstream understanding of that Libertine era which is ironically enough somewhat informed by the book itself.
>>24867188>People that watch Gaspar Noe movies think it’s cool to read it.this is the exact reason why I bought the book in the first place, what the fuck, who are you?
>>24867234i agree
>>24867259Not a vein diagram. It’s a circle
>>24867176>zoomers>degenerate>despiteImplying zoomers aren't degens?The movie adaption is kinda kino doe
>>24867176this zoomer bitch has nice legs, but the rest is okay looking too
>>24867176What's the deal with de Sade?Is this shit actually hardcore?I sort of assume it's corny because it's from like the 18th century.
>>24867497>>24867497>butterface>chubby>dresses sluttyyou know she gives insane dome
>What are the political implications of 'the new generation' being degenerate>for a person that was born in a small town and later migrated , I can tell that in any city that has >1M population there exists clusters of youth that know de Sade etc by heart, without even understanding the text even a bit and will ask you to fuck them in the ass on the second date without condom and using sunflower oil in which you were frying potatoes an hour before on the cheap liberal arts uni dormitory. Or atleast its how it was it the 2010s>>24867176>>24867497Pls tell me she has penis.
>>24867760sorry bro she's just a boring alt girl with a regular pussy
>>24867773based
>>24867537I'd say yes, it is hardcore. but it's very tedious to read and offer no real literature value.it has its moment but I'd only recommend if you read it with the sole purpose of telling other people that you've read the book. rape, guro, torture, pedophilia, beastiality, necrophilia, scat. the book is very graphic and it doesn't hold back at all when it come to the violence.
>>24867497shapeless flabby. tits are a hot mess. face is mid.
>>24867183They're French.
>>24867183They wanted to be radical and think differently so they sought out writers from the past who did so.Modern Anglo "analytic" philosophy is the worst shit in all of human history. It's literally a defense of liberalism in a million different ways. I would rather read Belarusian philosophy than have to stomach another debate between moral realism vs antirealism in which the interlocutors still converge in defense of a generic liberal individualism. Holy shit please someone nuke this civilization.
The Pasolini adaptation is better. Justine is better. Juliette is better. La Philosophie dans le Boudoir is better.
>>24867537Lol
>>24869088>Belarusian philosophyNTA but books on that? And also checked.
>>24867176Every few months, zoomers come up with a new word to replace 'cringe' with. This season, it's 'performative' and that's very boring.
>>24867213>Juliette is actually goodTogether with La Nouvelle Justine it takes around 2000 pages. Is it seriously worth the time investment?
>>24867176Thats a man with tights on
>>24869741Haven't read juliette but justine isn't worth it, nouvelle pr otherwiseThough honestly I would say the same for all the Sade I have read
>>24869574no, my ignorace is realon one hand, I'd say people today have become desensitized to violence and various excesses due to overexposure from TV, literature, internet etc.on the other hand, back then you could see people getting guillotined and what not left and right so who knows
>>24869853That’s Danielle Cheloskyhttps://www.hobartpulp.com/web_features/wine-induced-laughing-fit
Penguin Classic, so readily available and normie-collectible
>>24867176Zoomers grew up with unrestricted internet access. They were exposed to hardcore pornography and beheading videos before they even knew what a mortage was. They're all degenerate.
>>24869912It is a horrendously depraved text by any standard. Mind you, I'm not saying that to elevate it into some sort of urban legend, or something that is impossible to read, especially for people who, as you say, are already desensitized, but it really is incredibly degenerate. You'd scarcely believe the lengths Sade goes to without reading, at least, a summary of the 120 Days of Sodom.
>>24867176this is some bitch posting an "aesthetic" pic for tumblr/instagram, conspicuous consumption. the cover is cool and fits her "goth" vibes. simple as that.
>>24870003There's literally nothing wrong with those though
>>24867181this
>>24870186Porn in place of healthy relationships, actual snuff films peddled on the news and fucking mortgages are all not good things.>>24870003>mortageLike "death age"?
>>24867176Freaky slut thinks she's cool and aesthetic reading De Sade when the conclusion of Sadist thought is male libidinal supremacy. Male libido is incomprehensible to the female species. She will only learn once she gets raped by a Sadist ubermensch.
>>24867176Trying to do red scare coquette tumblr on indie lit twitter in 2025 is fucking hilarious>I'm not like the other girls>I'm sexy and dangerous hurt me daddyEven funnier that she's trying to pretend this isn't what she's doing >>24867497"hot girls want to be told they're smart, smart girls want to be told they're hot" theory unfuckingdefeated.
>>24870186atheist scum
>>24870251this. Andrea Dworkin already explained the real meaning of Sade
>>24869981This is cancer.In college I remember there was dime a dozen of such 'special' sluts. What a waste.
>>24870236Sorry, I didn't realize that my post seemed to include mortgages - those, like all forms of usury, are very evil indeed.
>>24867176>>24867206>>24867213Tell me, has anyone attempted to complete sade's work? I've just started reading part II and I have seriously never in my life felt so heartwrenchingly blueballed by this shit. JUST LOOK AT THIS. What a fucking tragedy it is that parts II,III,IV are only SKETCHES, it could have been so brutal. What an injustice it is to have nigh completed part I survive AT ALL, through a miracle a preservation, because it was all building to something that would've been so much more hardcore. Part I was was written so beautifully, yet so tame, and full of Sade teasing me saying "The reader will forgive me for drawing the curtain on this scene until we are ready in Part II." Motherfucker I want to see the bad stuff as he intended it.
>>24871051Does his other fully fleshed out work ever go to these extremes? I have julliette but I've never read it
>>24867176>despite the fact the book is out right degeneratedIsn't that why it's popular? They grew up consuming hardcore pornography from their adolescence, and then the clinical dogma of modern psychology validated their experience as a "healthy" and "expressive" sexuality. What did you think was going to happen?
The Delights listings is the best part and someone needs to make a book expanding on them in detail
>>24870055Yep, this. I was actually surprised by how degenerate/shocking it is but it's done in a way that gets dull fast. The autistic listing of bathroom schedules and sheer amount of shit eating just didn't tickle my fancy. The story times with old prostitutes were absurd enough to be interesting and I remember one of the last torture scenes having some weird description of pulling nerves of a flayed girl or something similar that stuck with me for a little bit. This book and Story of the Eye kind of ruined France for me, my brain forever thinks of the French as fedora tipping edge lords
I found a copy of this in a thrift store recently. I bought it even though I never plan on reading it. I just thought it was cool to own a copy, you know?
>>24870236>>mortage>Like "death age"?Woah.
>>24872133He was clearly a speroFrom what I have read from him, which is more than is advisable, it is clear to me that more than the cruelty and suffering what really made him tick was the process, as in the planningHe goes into so much detail about days, rituals, rooms, contraptions and so on
>>24872133>This book and Story of the Eye kind of ruined France for me, my brain forever thinks of the French as fedora tipping edge lordsRead Les Chants de Maldoror for a nicer perspective of Frenchmen.
>>24869613>performativeThey're right, you know.
>>24874756>>24869613So, in some years will being permorfative be seen as cool?
>>24867176I miss dark academia. For how cringe it was it at least encouraged youg women to dress modestly and read the classics. We didn't know how good we had it
>>24874969>at least encouraged youg women to dress modestlygay faggot
>>24874937No. Being performative is being cringe, and being cringe will never be acceptable behavior.
>>24869613>performative maleA very obvious projection from women. Their default state is being performative.
>>24870540okay… she’s an editor at stereogum.com and hosts literary salons… what the fuck have you done?
>>24875491At least I have not put my soul at peril by simping for some saturn worshipping thot who crearly needs to be medicated. You think that after a trainload of BBC and then some you will have some chance on her. You only have to close eyes when dreaming.
>>24875460The cringe era has died, old man. Cringe died with zoomers and gen alpha.
Haven't read 120 Days, but i have read Justine to near-completion.It was a very interesting mix of the author's personal fetishes, philosophical treatises justifying the author's fetishes (at the expense of people with regular morals), portrayals of various people the author dislikes as pedophiles (note that the author himself is a pedophile), as well as utterly unhinged, literarily creative expressions of the author's most extreme pedophilic fantasies. Oh, and the whole book is not only immoral, but also completely amoral.The cherry on top is that Justine was quite popular among the aristocratic (Fr*nch) women of the time, which always cracks me up.To summarize, read it if you listen to Infant Annihilator and want something equally creative, but a tiny bit more disquieting on account of the author actually being into the shit he writes about.And i will say, in between the comical amount of rape scenes, there's some quite good humor in there too. I remember the luxuriously wealthy nobleman who kept his wife chained up and drank her blood (a little on the nose but it fits), and the parish of priests who refularly sodomize altar boys before repenting their sins - and doing it all over again.
