Poetry is the highest form of Art. This is not debatable.
>>25295637OP Is wrongThe evidence Is strongthe absence of swagMakes OP a fagWhile a rugged birdvanishesInto an unassuming skyWith the powerof a thousand godsEndlessly
>>25295637Architecture is. Outside beauty elevates the soul and paves the way to great poetry.
>>25295644Holy fippy, bipman!
>>25295645Agreed.
>>25295645Nature rapes architecture
>>25295645Architecture isOutside beauty elevatesTo great poetry
>>25295637Depends on what you mean by "highest form". In my view, music is the purest example of Art. I define Art as anything that communicates emotions rather than concrete concepts. A manual and a poem are both communicative, but the manual's intent is to communicate concepts, while a poem's intent is to communicate emotion.Poetry requires the person to read the content, interpret it and form an image in their mind; it is this image that creates the emotion; the communication is indirect. For music, there is often no real interpretation to be made and no image to produce; you can experience the music as is.
It's only good when it rhymes. Talking about a womans hair being yellow as wheat, and eyes as blue as the ocean, etc is fine and all, but still.
>>25295682>repetitive beats that make niggers and hylics want to hump are the highest of artno
>>2529563790% of poetry is about boring nature shit. like bitch just go outside
>>25295637I see poetry as the purest form of art while theater is the highest form of art. This is why Shakespeare is divine
>>25295690>can't get into symbolism, allegory, and layers of meaningCouldn't be me lmao
>>25295691Theater is for faggots to play dress up and women to pretend to artistic merit.
>>25295700>Theater is for faggots to play dress upOk and?>women to pretend to artistic meritThat's true for most art. Absolutely moot point.
lotta under 18 year olds on 4chanz these days
>>25295691theater is fundamentally dishonest and performative. low form of art comparable with a Michael Bay blockbuster
>>25295637No. Its definitely music and its always up for debate
>>25295709>dishonestHow so?>performativeYeah, that's kind of the point? Lmao is dancing bad because it's performative?
>>25295660No one would disagree with you, but man does not create nature, it's not art, in a technical sense.
>>25295644You may just have proven OP right with you fine work there.
>>25295637Music is higher art, it’s poetry + extra art. Simple math dumbass. >inb4 what if there aren’t any lyricsYou count both music and verse by their *meter*. Yes, I’m right all the time. No, I won’t have sex with you.
A lot of mutts staning their jungle beats itt
Nigger jungle rap and beats should be outlawed. Only Jazz should be allowed.
>>25295752For (You)
>>25295746This. Based.
>>25295637can you recomend me some anont.poelet.
>>25295746shouldnt't videogame musicals be higher art, because it also has more art.
>>25295746I have no further comments
>>25295771No because games are games and not art.
>>25295637Film > visual art = music > poetry >>> proseThe order should be defined by the way that each medium syntheses its lower order art forms. Prose is at bottom, simply because it is the most imminent mode of communication as the language of the everyday. Poetry is one level up because it takes the language of the everyday and gives it metric/metonymic weight- it turns it into aestheticised language. Music and visual art are equivalent because they operate on distinct aesthetic registers that cannot supersede one other but are an order above poetry because they no longer require mediation: emotions, ideas and concepts can be communicated directly without a typographic middle man.It is in this sense that Film is the highest form of art by virtue of containing all other forms of art within it. It’s also why it is so challenging to make a truly great film that respects the medium as the highest artform, a script that reads like poetry, a pitch-perfect soundtrack, masterful cinematography, editing, etc.. I am unsure that we have ever seen a truly Great Film in the same way we have seen a Great Book, a Great Work of Art, a Great Symphony, etc., simply because a Great Film demands all 3 to be Great.
>>25295776Wrong. See:>>25295746
>>25295774>>25295774fair, but then still , movie musicals have more art in them than theater in theory right?
>>25295782No because film is a medium, not a form of art.
>>25295781Film is poetry (the script), music (the soundtrack) AND visual art (cinematography). Music is only 2/3. I’d say your math is a 3rd short.
>>25295787See:>>25295784For example, music is the art form and CDs/wavs/LPs are the medium. Do you understand now?
>>25295784Nta but I think it’s fair to assume that when people say “film is a form of art” they mean “film-making” rather than the physical medium itself
>>25295788See>>25295787Nitpicking over semantics. Why don’t you make an actual argument?
>>25295790That’s disingenuous because it’s just a visual storytelling medium. Anything that makes it “unique” from other visual media is quite literally a product of the medium.
>>25295792Meant to quote>>25295790
>>25295637EPIC poetry is the highest form of Art.
>>25295797Can’t even do that right and you expect to discuss the forms?
>>25295798mogged by futurism
>>25295794For (You)
>>25295794>visual storytelling mediumAnd I could call fiction a linguistic storytelling medium but that wouldn’t change the fact that non-narrative literature (and film) exists.>Anything that makes it “unique” from other visual media is quite literally a product of the mediumCorrect. But as stated previously, what makes it the highest art form is because it synthesises the lower order forms. It is “unique” in the sense that it is the only artform that is truly comprehensive, not unique because it is contingent on the specific properties of film as medium.
>>25295815Your argument actually makes film seem *less* significant. I think you should take a few beats and get your head screwed on straight before you try to shitpost about things you don’t understand.
>>25295820I’ve been patiently waiting to hear an actual response that isn’t just semantics about film=medium and general off-topic seething. I might be waiting a while it sees
>>25295815Take your pleb ass back to >>>/tv/
>>25295826I’ve already laid out an argument that has not been met with a sufficient rebuttal, the ball is literally in your court young asshopper
>>25295806Thanks based chinaman
>>25295815This is a poor argument desu>>25295746This is the answer. Music.
>>25295697do people like you just not care about content as long as there is some layer of obfuscation? i don't give a shit if the "layers of meaning" are all about gay shit like love, nature, etc. poetry may be inventive in form but almost never in content
>>25295853If I can understand the content of their poem, they are not a keen poet.
>>25295776>It is in this sense that Film is the highest form of art by virtue of containing all other forms of art within itThis was my reasoning for making theater the highest form. Film is understandable, but theater has the live-action element to it
>>25295830Your “argument” has consisted solely of semantic nitpicking, poor definitions (“music is poetry + extra art”? Such specificity!) and general posturing. You’re even posing as another anon to try and make yourself look better >>25295852 here. Pathetic
>>25295870I understand that but you’re still unfortunately wrong.
>>25295873If it’s such a flimsy argument, dissect it. Otherwise it’s poor form to complain about an argument you’re unable to dismantle. I hope this is a learning opportunity for you anon, because you definitely have some capacity to understand. Just not enough, yet.
>>25295870>Film is understandable, but theater has the live-action element to itThe problem with this is that the audience is rooted in place and can only view the mis-en-scene from a fixed angle. The reason why I posed film over theatre is because the ability to move the audience’s perspective introduces entirely new dimensions to how we receive and engage with the work. Championing live-action is a respectable position tho even if I disagree with it
>>25295883Again you’re reckoning with the differences of mediums and not forms. You’re more than an exponent below where you should be in this argument.
>>25295883Fair enough. I just think that an astute observer should be able to point out the focal points of a play intuitively
>>25295898Neither of you have considered that the theater also engages your sense of smell and adds a layer of implied social decorum. Regardless, these are mediums and not art forms.
>>25295901>Neither of you have considered that the theater also engages your sense of smell what gave you that impression lmao. Aromatherapy is an art form, after all
>>25295905I’m sorry that your personal odor is strong enough to preclude your use of your sense of smell. Consider baths.
>>25295877>>25295887>>25295901My sense of smell is engaged right now, you reek of desperation. Anything of a morsel of a reply. Heres one for you: not your therapist.
>>25295926Thanks man, every (You) helps.
>>25295908>I’m sorry that your personal odor is strong enough to preclude your use of your sense of smell???
>>25295936>engage sense of sight? Good!>engage sense of smell? Who cares, it’s not art! What’s it like living in your world anon
>>25295939I didn't say that lmao. What are you on about?
I do think it's interesting to think about to the 18th, 19th centuries when any intellectual was expected to be able to compose verse and drama in any language they're fluent in. A pre-novel time. No one gives a shit about poetry or drama anymore, not to mention intellectuals are not expected to compose in general.
>>25295943>he’s abandoned his argument entirelyI hope you learned something anon, I’ll allow you to attempt to save face. Here is an image you’ll like to ease the sting a bit.
>>25295946Intellectuals went the way of the nobility, people just buy the title now instead of earning or deserving it. Sad, but true.
>>25295637Poetry is low art doggerel
>>25295964nice bait, however
>>25295969This is more like a teleplay or music house than poetry
>>25295644Wouldve been perfect without the "endlessly"
>>25295990If you enjoyed my poem, I’d like to read one of yours. Write one.
>>25295993Why do feet smellAnd noses runWhy can’t I find a hotdogTo stick in my bun
>>25296025Kino
>>25295637Poetry is gay and dangerous
>>25296105>china issues its final warning
>>25295689Get negro cock out of your mind for half a minute chud
>>25295637Where do I start if I want to get into poetry? Who and what should I read to start?
>>25296323>>25296288Same fag
>>25296323GreeksNOW
>>25296337Hmmm ok
>>25295637Music and drama are the highest artforms. Drama is the highest embodiment and product of poetry, and at the same time the only other artform that is comparable in power to music. That is why Greek Tragedy and Wagnerian Gesamtkunstwerk are the greatest artworks in existence.
>>25296427I’ll accept this take
>>25296323You don't get into poetry by reading a lot of one artist. Get an anthology (Norton is fine) and read until you find stuff you like, and then branch out from there.
>>25295637actually, memes are the highest form of art
>>25295746I agree that music is higher art than poetry, but your argument that it's better because it's more art is retarded.Film would be the highest form of art then because it encompasses music, literature, architecture, painting, theater, camera work, sculpture, fashion, and sometimes even dance.
>>25295637>Poetry is the highest form of Art. This is not debatable.The amount of anon ITT that this statement instantly filters is rather telling.
>>25296617because it's simply not true
>>25296615Brainlet take.
>>25296615Video games are a more total art than Opera/Film
>>25296644>gamesIt says it on the tin, they’re not art, they’re games
all art is the same art, read Musashi you fags
>>25296646>games are not an artWhen an individual excels in the playing of games we call them artful.When we exercise corporate make-believe as in opera and film and in literature, what do we call it? A play
>>25296618Just admit that you're a lazy reader. Be honest, you're anonymous.
>>25296657ESL anon pls go, nobody cares about your bullet hell clear
>>25295637>I’m gonna write in a retarded way and have you go on a guessing journey about what I meantF poetry
>>25296678nu-chan median IQ has to be around 90 at this point
>>25295637>Poetry is the highest form of Art. This is not debatable.Music and architecture are strong competitors
>>25296695Chink post
>>25296699Even the Chinks value Western culture more than you modern deracinated golems.
>>25295637Nah it's music because it's pure and not bound by language.
what do /lit/ bros listen to (besides classical). I personally enjoy folk music. I enjoy old recordings from the 20s,
>>25296701What’s your favorite poem right now
>>25295637if it's not debatable why are you provoking debate
>>25295637OP deserves to be hanged from the poet tree
>>25296678>oh no mean man no say exactry what he means! Now Chang have to use Chinese brain to find it out! Oh wow wow brain hurt so much! Hurt rearry bad!
>>25297256This but unironically.
>>25297256When I say the triangle is crying I mean the triangle is crying. You may feel compelled to translate that to symbolism more familiar to you but that doesn't imply your symbols represent what I really meant better.
>>25297298Just say what you mean so I don’t have to strain feebre Chinese brain to read this thing!
>>25297300Here’s one I wrote for you:Under a Chinese moonAnon sings a Chinese tuneHe sits in his Chinese roomAnd dreams of a Chinese boomHe pulls out a Chinese bookAnd gives its Chinese contents a lookApplied to his skin a Chinese balmAnd faps himself to sleep with his Chinese palm
>>25297300Thoughts aren't words so the true meaning is always ineffable, the best I can do is arrange a bunch of symbols in a way that may trigger a similar thought in a select few that have a similar mind. If the symbols are structured then automatic processes in your brain that see structure as clues to meaning will be more likely to glean meaning from them.
>>25297325Go on
>>25297327The thought is already expressed in overly autistic detail. The torch is passed, the data transmitted, you process it or you don't. If I complicate it further the formula is diluted. What you really want is a more structured, aesthetically pleasing or impactful representation of the same thought so it repeats in your mind as conditioning and returns to you in your dreams.Flesh rots, form's eternalThe triangle criesBody burning in infernoFor sin, meaning dies
>>25295735One could argue that art is redundant.
>>25295946Kek, this is the century of us bugmen, STEMCHADS stay winning.
>>25297399idiot
>>25296025>Why can’t I find a hotdogIt's better to put "hell" instead of "hotdog".
>>25297587>boring, basic ABAB rhyme scheme >not based, intense, ABCB rhyme scheme
>>25295637I never understood poetry and thus I have always hated it
>>25297593>all bobs are bastards
>>25297612Has Bob ever showed Bob?
>>25296656art is not all the same. read literally any book you fat slob
i still dont get what poetry isi know poetry used to be metered yet nobody writes metered poetry today
>>25295637I'm probably biased but I've seen AI make both songs, graphics and stories that are passably consumable and might even be considered "good;" I've never seen an AI poem that communicates the heartfelt sincerity of a good poem. And it continues to suck at meter somehow, meanwhile its solving previously unsolved problems in mathematics
>>25297980AI music only works with structurally repetitive genres like dance music, and even then it is garbage at actually finessing musical moments or building to anything interesting. The best way I’ve been able to use AI to work on music is just brainstorming and asking it to use its search tools to find books for me. It can program MIDI to a minimally passing degree, unable to write in rests, syncopation or emphasize rhythm. It makes pretty boring choices too
every time I try to get into poetry I give up pretty much instantly, because if its not rhyming, I have no idea how I'm possibly meant to interpret the meter
>>25295637>>25295645Actually gardening is the highest form. To paint and sculpt and architect, but with nature's palette, a living art, ever changing, composed with the entire landscape and each season in mind.
>>25295776Video games contain films and all those arts within it, and also interaction, so games are actually higher than film
>>25298132Gardening is not architecture, they’re actually opposites.
>>25297393Explain your poem
>>25298302I already did
>>25298008It's okay, most resources are very bad at teaching scansion. Just remember that if well written the rhythm naturally comes to the fore, longer syllables are usually but not always stressed, mono-syllables allow for varying stress patterns, metrical variations are well established and that a single metre even without metrical variations can still be handled in widely diverse rhythmic manners. Rhyme has nothing to do with identifying the metre.
>No, being bad at understanding poetry or lyrics does not mean you have a low IQ.>Intelligence is multifaceted: IQ tests primarily measure analytical, logical, and verbal reasoning skills, but they do not fully capture creative, emotional, or artistic intelligence. Many individuals with high IQs struggle with the abstract, metaphorical, or non-literal language often found in poetry.>Skill vs. Trait: Understanding complex literary themes is often a learned skill rather than an innate measure of intelligence. Struggles with poetry can stem from a preference for literal interpretation, lack of exposure to specific literary styles, or neurodivergent traits (such as autism), none of which indicate low intelligence.>Context matters: While low IQ (typically defined as a score below 70) can involve challenges with complex language comprehension, difficulty with poetry is not a diagnostic indicator. People with average or above-average intelligence frequently find poetry challenging or unintuitive, while those with lower IQs may still appreciate the rhythm or emotional resonance of art.
>>25298386>LLM sloppaGet out
>It is only by Art, and especially by Poetry, that the imagination is regulated. Nothing is more frightful than imagination without taste.
>>25298418>Nothing is more frightful than imagination without taste.I love him so mch
>>25298498Why?
>>25298553This is something that cannot be communicated. It must be experienced.
>>25298577Give it to me on intangible terms
>>25298590https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS91p-vmSf0
>>25298606I don’t get it
>>25298617put it on a loop for 12 hoursthen you'll see
>>25298624I just did and it didn’t connect
Unfortunately Zerkalo > all literature
>>25295682>I define Art as anything that communicates emotions rather than concrete concepts.>Poetry requires the person to read the contentYou should think more before you post. Not even trying to be mean.
>>25295690As Prometheus, bound on Scythian crag, fed the tireless bird with his too abundant breast, so did Laureolus, hanging on no sham cross, give his naked flesh to a Caledonian bear. His lacerated limbs lived on, dripping gore, and in all his body, body there was none. Finally he met with the punishment he deserved; the guilty wretch had plunged a sword into his father’s throat or his master’s, or in his madness had robbed a temple of its secret gold, or laid a cruel torch to Rome. The criminal had outdone the misdeeds of ancient story; in him, what had been a play became an execution.Qualiter in Scythica religatus rupe Prometheus adsiduam nimio pectore pauit auem,nuda Caledonia sic uiscera praebuit urso non falsa pendens in cruce Laureolus.Viuebant laceri membris stillantibus artus inque omni nusquam corpore corpus erat.Denique supplicium dignum tulit: ille parentis uel domini iugulum foderat ense nocens,templa uel arcano demens spoliauerat auro, subdiderat saeuas uel tibi, Roma, faces. Vicerat antiquae sceleratus crimina famae, in quo, quae fuerat fabula, poena fuit.
>>25298132>Actually gardening is the highest form. To paint and sculpt and architect, but with nature's palette, a living art, ever changing, composed with the entire landscape and each season in mind.LMAAAAOOOOOOOOO fucking domesticated cuck faggot.
>>25295735>man does not create natureNature is a man-made construct that didn't exist before the 18th Century.
storytelling mogs your sideshow and that will never change
>>25298132Based
>>25298669i wish i could a transmit a near-fatal electric current through the internet and into your body
