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Random thought, can the Turn A kill any version of Godzilla.
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>>16922984
>can the Turn A kill any version of Godzilla.
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>>16922988
Sometimes
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At the very least it can kill 1998 Godzilla
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>>16922984
>regeneration
>teleportation
>energy/matter manipulation
>I-Fields
>range of the distance from earth to jupiter

Im sorry but this is b8 right? Godzilla literally has no chance. Go read the Turn A novel...
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>>16922984
Probably most versions, actually. Other than Burning Godzilla I think it'd be an unfair fight
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>>16922984
I'm pretty sure it can kill *every* version of Gojira.
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>>16923165
I just watched the show so I didn't think about that and I heard some godzillas could be very tough.
How about 300m Earth Godzilla
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>>16923165
I don't read jap.
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Why Turn A especifically and not another Gundsm?
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Probably most besides maybe Burning if it decides to detonate first, and Earth.
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>>16923165
>Go read the Turn A novel...

Have you? Or are you just regurgitating what that retard Moononymous has been trolling us with for the past decade?
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>>16922984
Now I can't say I'm an expert on the Turn A, never watched the show but I've read his wiki and know how he works in games, but I love Godzilla so I'll throw in my 2 cents.
Turn A could beat most Godzillas but I bet it would have trouble with these four in order of difficulty:

1. Shin Godzilla
2. Burning Godzilla
3. Godzilla Earth
4. Composite Godzilla

Shin Godzilla is not the most durable Godzilla out there but he's dangerous for two reasons. First, his heat beams are no joke. The fact that he can fire them from his mouth, tail, and dorsal fins let him attack from any direction. The beams also have a range of at least 30,000 feet given he could knock stealth bombers out of the air. He has has built in radar so for as long as he has a full charge of radiation, he's a 360ยบ giant bubble of laser death. However once his batteries are empty he's a push over. Second, Shin Godzilla is addaptable. Shin rapidly changes forms given his situation. Even the flesh that gets blown off of his body quiclkly starts regenerating into someting new. It's possible it could turn into new organisms better adapted for fighting Turn A. Turn A needs to kill Shin Godzilla by using Moonlight Butterfly to disintegrating him, not giving Shin a chance to adapt, if he can survive the laser bubble which it seems like Turn A can.

Buning Godzilla is not as strong offensively as Shin, but like what >>16923413 said. Burning Godzilla is a time bomb. Turn A is strong enough to survive a nuclear explosion, but I don't know if he's capable of surviving a nuke big enough to take the whole planet with him. If Turn A's not careful he could set off that bomb so just like Shin he uses Moonlight Butterfly to disintegrate him with no threat of meltdown.

Continued in part 2. Sorry I made this so long.
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>>16923494
Shin was beaten with modern technology WITH ridiculous red tape bureaucracy working against it, a Gundam would annihilate him.
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>>16923494
Part 2

Godzilla Earth is Turn A's first real challenge. Godzilla Earth is not only the largest Godzilla to date, he has many different incredibly destructive ranged attacks, Shin esque heat beam shot, super oscillation beam, heat beam tail whip, red spiral beam. However, Godzilla Earth's biggest strength is his durability. Godzilla Earth is almost constantley surrounded by a seemingly indestructible invisible force field. The only way of stopping the force field is by waiting for just the right moment when the field automatically drops, then destroy his dorsal fins. Even without the force field his entire body is made out of a super strong metalic muscle fibers that regenerate very quickly. The only way to kill Godzilla was to make an EMP inside of him that causeses his energy to run wild inside his body making him explode. This only worked on Godzilla Filius, when attempted on Godzilla Earth he just vented the extra energy as massive amounts of heat, remaining stationary until he fully healed from this ordeal. In this case I don't know if Moonlight Butterfly would be capable of getting through Godzilla Earth's force field. If it can't then Godzilla Earth wins. If it can then Turn A wins. Someone with more knowledge on how strong Turn A is could answer that question.

And finally, the fight that would never happen. Composite Godzilla is a Godzilla the takes every version of Godzilla and mashes it together to make one single character. The result is op bullshit that Turn A could never beat. immense strength and good fighting skills, every possible varient of the heat beam and other energy techniques, flight, advanved intelligence, possesing a swarm of hell bats to create a new version of himself, faster than light travel, warp travel canceling exploding eyeballs. Yes really, exploding eye balls. An insane mess that only the people over at Comic Vine could come up with.

Again sorry I wrote a book on the subject, it just seemed like fun.
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>>16923494

> Turn A needs to kill Shin Godzilla by using Moonlight Butterfly to disintegrating him, not giving Shin a chance to adapt, if he can survive the laser bubble which it seems like Turn A can.

I haven't seen Shin to given any kind of informed comment on comparable strength of offense versus defense, but between an I-field, a physical shield that can absorb some beam hits and the unit's hardiness it probably can survive at least some hits from a given Godzilla but it cannot use the Moonlight Butterfly to kill any Godzilla because the Moonlight Butterfly only attacks inorganic matter. If it didn't there'd be no humans left on Earth after the Black History and while the show only implies this, I'm pretty sure the novels and gunpla manual stuff directly confirm it.

It might be possible to use it to kill Godzilla indirectly, like what happened with Gym (the Moonlight Butterfly grabs his sword and you can hear him choking off-screen, implying he wasn't able to drop it before he was cocooned) but I'd imagine Godzilla is strong enough to survive or break any indirect attacks.

> Turn A is strong enough to survive a nuclear explosion

This is also not true, at least, not of the TV Turn A. It might be capable of it in the novels, but the Wikia listed it as something that happened in the TV show for years and it's simply not true. It's close to two seperate nuclear explosions, but never inside the explosion of either. The unit is tough, but there's no indication it's that tough in the show.
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>>16923520
That modern tech didn't kill Shin it only held off the inevitable. At some point Shin will wake up, the nuke will drop, and who knows what that will do to him if MOABs force him to use death lasers. The only way to kill Shin is to completely erradicate him down to the last cell before he can addapt. The only way that happens is with a colony laser or Moonlight Butterfly.
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>>16923543
>but it cannot use the Moonlight Butterfly to kill any Godzilla because the Moonlight Butterfly only attacks inorganic matter.

Ah I never knew that about the Moonlight Butterfly I always just assumed the nano machines just ate up anything they touched. Yeah it seems like Turn A stands even less of a chance now.
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Maybe Perfect G-Self is better suited to be Godzilla's opponent.
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>>16923350
>I don't read jap.
Godzilla
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>>16923892

The Omnidirectional Laser, Photon Torpedoes and variety of energy shielding probably make it better suited for short bursts of combat against a single, large opponent yea.
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>>16923543
>but it cannot use the Moonlight Butterfly to kill any Godzilla because the Moonlight Butterfly only attacks inorganic matter
Two things:
1. Setting aside whether or not the nanos can be reprogrammed, during Merrybell's test run with the Turn A it shows her demolishing a small town made largely out of wooden buildings, and wood's pretty damn organic.
2. The Turn X's MLB (I believe) is used to suck the energy out of a squad of SUMOs trying to restrain it. If Turn A can do the same to Godzilla that rather heavily nerfs a lot of the nastier lizards.
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>>16923918
Tractor Beam is the best thing ever. You'd need to 1v3 the Perfect Pack to put up a fight.
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>>16923494
Thanks for the response
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>>16923554
>>16923520
Shin would just adapt and become a mobile suit,
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>>16923165
Novel isn't canon
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>>16923919

> during Merrybell's test run with the Turn A it shows her demolishing a small town made largely out of wooden buildings

It doesn't really, since it mostly shows her approaching the town with small twisters springing up around her but we don't actually see it hit or eat the town.

> The Turn X's MLB (I believe) is used to suck the energy out of a squad of SUMOs trying to restrain it.

It's not the Moonlight Butterfly. The Turn X has a psycommu that Gym uses to drain the energy of units or even pilots. There's no indication the Turn A has any such system, which wouldn't be surprising since the Turn A also can't split in to 9 bits, each with a cannon as far as we know for instance. The Turn X has a few abilities that the Turn A doesn't, and the Turn A might have some the Turn X doesn't, such as the ability to turn invisible.

>>16923940

If you have funnels deployed before it's used that's not actually that hard. Some attacks can probably just overwhelm it too; including the Moonlight Butterfly, since it's come up in the thread. The Moonlight Butterfly "eats" energy several times, like plasma or i-fields, so it can probably just eat the tractor beam and nullify it.
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>>16924741

Here's the full scene of Merrybell testing the Moonlight Butterfly by the way. The buildings in the town are damaged, but only relatively lightly and not in a "this is all being eaten" way. The damage is fairly consistent with what one would expect of high winds and lightning, not indiscriminate disassembling nanomachines.
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Can Turn A kill Final wars Godzilla?
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>>16924851
It would be a hard battle but I think Turn A could win. So long as he avoids getting hit by heat beams or the red spiral beam.
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>>16924741
The Turn X is the original unit with near 3x the output of the Turn A ( they weren't able to fully replicate certain things from the Turn X ).
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>>16924741
I think it'd just disable the suit/user inside from using the quantum communications.
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>>16923554
Can he really wake up without an outside source of to kickstart him? He's essentially a decommissioned nuclear reactor. He's not like Burning Godzilla after they put him on ice.
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>>16923494
If bunker busters can harm adult Shin AT ALL then a contained rod of superheated plasma is going to completely destroy him before adaptation was even a factor.
You can argue that a lot of other Godzillas can tank other kaiju's beam weapons but Shin doesn't have anything like that.
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>>16925686
Those are metallic particles in Turn A...
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>>16925749
Yes. Minovsky particles. Which are superheated till they reach a plasma state.
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>>16925334

Putting aside that only a small number of settings in Gundam use quantum communications to direct remote weapons (it's just CE I think, UC, FC, AW, SD etc use brainwaves in some form to my knowledge), there's literally nothing to indicate that.
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>>16925686
Oh the beams will do major damage I'm denying that. I'm just saying that getting hit by those beams would immediately cause Shin to react and try something to counter it.
The only way you kill Shin with beams for good is by completely envoloping him in the beam, destroying him and every last cell he's made out of almost instantly. A la something like the Twin Satellite Cannon. Otherwise, if any bit of him remains, it will regrow into something more dangerous that could possibly counter beam weapons.
I know Turn A's beam rifle is powerful, but I don't think it's that powerful. But I could be wrong about that. I'm no authority on Turn A.
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>>16925674
Honestly, who knows? Before he was able to wake up from a near statue like state when he expended all of his radioactivity for the first time. He might do it again but just after a REALLY long time, since he would have to uncoagulate all of his red blood cells. I'm basically just assuming all of this on the idea that a Shin Godzilla 2 might come out in the future. In that possible sequel I can't image anyone, malicious or not, would be stupid enough to try and wake Shin up. Unless, Dr. Goro is still alive...
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>>16925763
I think it's read via their helmet <-> quantum communications input <-> funnels? Or in some shows it would be.

I don't think it's a direct connection to the person's mind either. It's just quicker than radio/wifi signals to control since distance won't matter with quantum communications.

It shouldn't be much different from DARPA's mechanical arm ( for the armless people ) except that one is only reading from the mind + direct connection.
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>>16925796

You think what's read? Most pilots in UC don't even wear any kind of specialised helmet when they use remote weapons, and so far as we know multiple settings use brainwaves to directly interact with remote weapons.
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>>16925782

Can Shin adapt in a single second or something that you couldn't hit him with several beams in a row?
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>>16925804
Oh maybe it reads via their suit/seat <-> nerves <-> quantum communications <-> funnels
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>>16925911

No, UC just transmits brainwaves. Quantum communication is never mentioned in UC and computerised data has trouble propagating during battle due to Minovsky interference.
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>>16925914
Computer data within the MS?

Quantum communications don't require beams though
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>>16925969

Computerised data within a suit isn't reaching a remote weapon. It has to be sent to it somehow, and that somehow isn't not any computer data stream in UC. It's psycowaves. Which is why the systems are called psycommus, psyco-frames etc.
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That's cool and all, but can Chirico kill Godzilla?
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>>16925989
Can Godzilla kill Chirico? I really doubt it.
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>>16925986
Aren't they linked? Like if you change a state on a qbit in the MS, the qbit in the Funnel would change too? It doesn't matter if the distance was 1million km, it'd still be instantaneous commands, right?
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>>16926134

No. There has never been anything to indicate that this is the case. The funnels are directed by brain waves and respond to directions using on board computers to pathfind. There is no quantum communication of any kind involved, in animation or side material. You are the first person I've ever seen even imply it. Gundam SEED uses quantum communication, 00 might given the style of technology common to setting; UC does not.
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>>16926146
Ok. But what if they needed it for a normal pilot? Can't they create stuff for non newtype pilots? Read nerves via something in the MS <-> quantum communications <-> funnels
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>>16924741
Don't funnels get countered by omni laser or reflectors? You'd just end up killing yourself beam spamming against reflectors...
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>>16925782
He's not shown to have Meta-cooler level regeneration or adaptation. It's shown to be gradual. If a Gundam flew up and diced him to bits with beam sabers the remaining chunks probably wouldn't be functional enough to adapt in any meaningful way. Shin would have to go for an all-out beam spam before the Gundam closes in.
Hedorah, another adapting Godzilla monster seemed more dangerous to a Gundam because while it too had to adapt gradually and create new forms, on it's way there it was pretty much impervious to meaningful long term damage, at least until they find a way to dehydrate him.
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>>16926155

No, because UC doesn't have quantum communications full stop. When they want to give Oldtypes remote weaponry, they have to use wires to facilitate unimpeded communication. Why are you so bent on finding some instance of quantum communication in UC?

>>16926164

If the remote weapon was afunnel and the G-Self had a reflector shield up, it'd probably damage itself yea. Remote weapons aren't always funnels, beams aren't instantly lethal in every circumstance and the G-Self doesn't have an intrinsic reflector shield though, so it's definitely not a guarantee.
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>>16922984
I wouldn't say any some are pretty strong. Like the one that fought through hell and beat the devil, fought some gods of Olympus and even matched through and beating a lot of avengers. Movie versions more than likely unless burning Godzilla, Shin a little and Earth probably. Final wars was pretty strong as well and there was that one that survived a man made black hole canon.
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>>16923539
> An insane mess that only the people over at Comic Vine could come up with.

So a mary sue fan fic character specifically made for e-penis "my dad could beat up your dad" debates like that?
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>>16926304
Oh the reflectors is part of the perfect pack the pilot could use.

How would funnels deal with the extremely high speed servos from the g-reco era?
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>>16926387
Spins so quick it messes up the electromagnetics in the other unit at close range and deactivates sabers...
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>>16926387

I'm aware; that doesn't make it something that is always on.
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>>16926359
Yeah basically.
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>>16925852
My theory is that how fast Shin adapts correlates to how dangerous he perseeves the situation to be.
When he was hit by the MOABs, Shin in a matter of minutes, learned how to use his heat beams to counter them because those were the first weapons that injured him and really put him in danger. On the other hand at Opperation Yashiori he responded to the situation slowly, there was no need to adapt drastically aside from using tail beams to deal with attacks from all sides. It wasn't until they knocked him over a second time that he realised "Hey, that stuff they're pumping down my throat is macking me sluggish and my body hurt. That stuff's poison!" that he started to adapt again. He began turning his tail into the pic but by that point it was too little too late.
I imagine if a beam rifle or a beam saber hit Shin, instantly cutting and burning through his flesh, he would realize it's dangerous immediately and take drastic measures to ensure that his survival. Also the more shots required to kill him the higher the odds that a chunk of flesh goes missing, eventually regrowing into something new. That's why I think a giant one shot one kill method is the best approach.
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>>16926288
Shin has a pretty strong regeneration ability. When he was first hit by the MOABs they caused big explosions sending chunks of his flesh and dorsal fins flying and pouring enough blood from his body to almost completely cover him. In the next couple of shots you'd think to see that he's still bleeding probably has a couple of large chuncks taken out of his back, but no, he looks perfectly fine no bleeding no noticeable wounds. If it's not just the cgi artists being lazy then that means he almost fully healed between MOAB bombardments! That's really strong regeneration capabilities that are only rivaled by Godzilla Earth.
Also while it would take time for his flesh to grow into something dangerous in only a couple of days after the destruction of tokyo normal chunk of flesh started looking like this.
>Pic related
Although I will agree with you about Hedorah. He's not as strong with ranged attacks but having a sludge body that's basically made of acid would make dangerous to any Gundam.

If you want my opinion on how Shin would react to getting hit by a beam weapon, look here: >>16926785
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>>16926844
That's the thing though. The bombs only damaged his outer surface, giving him time to heal. A beam saber is likely to cleave clean through him in one go, unless he's somehow able to develop a reflective coating WHILE he's being cut in half like the ELS Core did against the Riser Sword.
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>>16926391
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>>16926889
The G-self has a lot of scenes like that one but from far away.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4673006/Simulation-reveals-Earth-s-magnetic-field-created.html
they use a container of liquid spinning to simulate
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>>16926863
I dunno, that was alot of blood for just damage to the outer suface.
Regardless, I agree that beams would cut through Shin easily. Probably as easily or easier than a regular Mobile Suit. I also don't think he would adapt the beam on the first hit he would though immediatley recognise it's dangerous and try to survive. The adapting would begin on the second or third hit. Heck I'm not sure if he would die if you shot him in the head or cut it off. If it was cut off it might sprout legs like the head spider from The Thing. That would be funny.
Also the idea of reflective coating is not too far off. Shin has those silver eyelids that he uses to protect his eyes. It would be neat to see him try and cover his entire body in that material as sheild.





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