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>gridman OP
DUEL IS GONNA FREAK
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>>22559666
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>>22559669
I'm amazed you didn't flip by his favorite anime music list he left a pastebined last thread.
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>>22559621
>>22559667
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Post the good Gridman webms
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>>22559675
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>>22559680
Toku Gridman wasn't in SRW.
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>>22559684
Shinn and Athrun's relationship is like a comedy.
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>>22559671
Is this series good or is it just fetish shit? All I saw was one clip on YouTube and I wasn't interested.
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>>22559687
Legit good if you can handle gross out. If you can't then don't, I liked it and even I thought episode six was grueling to get through.
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>>22559685
And it never will because they would have to pay for the actors' likenesses to do it.
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Happy Birthday to Schatte and Mirage's voice actress.
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>>22559690
Why is it good?
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>>22559706
Animation, art, music, the villains are entertaining, quick pacing and it's funny. Not as funny as Kamikatsu, but still.
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>Watching a walkthrough of SRW V since I don't own it. I'm on the part where apparently Salia is pretending to be a magical girl. What would happen if you chose to go with Nadesico instead of staying at Arzenal? What units do you get?
So far, the only units I see you get from Arzenal is Athrun, Shinn, and Lunamaria.
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>>22559692
They could always make him bond with masaki instead
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>>22559729
the fuck is this zoomer nonsense
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>>22559729
I think Black Might Gaine is a secret you get on the Nadesico route.
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>>22559734
Context for this scene, that fucking face on Lelouch.
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>>22559751
It's a DLC stage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhj175hM-VM
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>>22559754
Are all the DLC stages stupid or insane in SRW? I remember in 30, you have both Yutas and Daba dress up as girls trying to fight that blue haired guy I can't remember the name of from wanting to make a resort on Earth as well as Izuru having his whole personality change in one mission.
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>>22559277
Yeah, it says a lot that Daitarn's like, -still- good. Just this absolutely shitkicking single pilot super that doesn't die.
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Breaktime.
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This thread is pointless garbage.
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>>22559927
And all future threads will be like this until a new translation or a new mainline game
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>>22559928
They should quite this nonsensical general shit, or at least take it to /vg/.
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>>22559933
"They" who?
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>>22559731
>Masaki
Nah, use Gridman for Jiart redemption arc or Xingke main event run instead
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>>22559933
Quite what?
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Thread breaktime
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>>22559729
>>22559734
>>22559751
is this thread just retards who watched video games from their favorite youtuber channel now?
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>>22560029
Uh, what?
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>>22559993
>>22560044
Don't be a fucking idiot all your life anon.
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>>22560049
Don't act angry all your life, anon.
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Smoking hot
Love to date and tap that all day
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>>22560053
Don't be something all your life, anon.
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>>22559731
>Masaki
That guy already have Cybuster which is really powerful in gameplay and story and have it's own Super Mode that BB Studio could use if they are desperate enough to keep Masaki relevant. Someone like Heero would benefit more as Gridman's temporary host in SRW since WZC is kind of outdated nowadays
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>>22560071
i was replying to a guy concerned with practical reasons why they couldnt get gridman in
masaki is an original character, they wouldn't get in too much copyright mumba wumba with him.
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>>22560071
>That guy already have Cybuster which is really powerful in gameplay and story
Unless the game's called Alpha Gaiden
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>>22559866
I never really implied that Daimos was bad in the patch. It's just that 7100 without the new finisher is a little weak when we have units like Heavyarms roaming around with that much on a 16 ammo attack. Although I know that in practice Kazuya has inherent Infight and the others have to fight for parts until NG+++++ when the game is already braindead.
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What happened to Hibiki Kamishiro?
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>>22560166
Probably Something worse than rape like being forgotten by everyone including his nemesis
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>>22559866
You see despite the dev team taking him behind the woodshed and breaking his kneecaps Kazuya still persists because he already had to go through that once and he'll do it again so he can continue to kick ass.
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>>22559626
Ryoma is not playable in every SRW.
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>>22560243
Kazuya's ace bonus and general gameplay circumstances is enough to ensure that he'll never be worse than above average at worst.

The most relevant thing about the patch changes is whether or not you can go through the endgame without D-3 being a fixture due to accuracy. D-1 didn't feel like it got a large enough buff compared to the other two since Twin Laser Sword still has bad range for a 1-1 move and Photon Bazooka really should have been Melee even if its inconsistent with the other two for the sake of his ace/custom bonus. D-2 getting to keep Resupply is more than enough for it.
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>>22560249
Which games?
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>>22560255
The OGs, the handheld ones from J onwards (except W) and X.
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>>22560249
>>22560262
And R and GC/XO since the Getter series in those games was Shin vs. Neo which didn't have him pilot anything.
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>>22560277
I really like the Neo Getter, wish it showed up in more things. And of course the Texas Mack along with it.
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>Man, there has to be something that offset Kazuya's damage drop
>They essentially changed his spirit set to be a slightly better version of what he had in the GBA version of A
Oh never mind, Daimos is still nuts.
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Main SRWs only (excluding OG, of course):
Compact 2.2
R
GC / XO
J
K
L
UX
BX
X
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>>22560278
One of the I liked about neo getter is that the terrains for 1and 2 are swapped. Shame about it's low amount of attack variety.
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A fraud who never meet any of the holy trinity, not even Kouji
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Neo VS Shin is fun and all but what I really want is the Getter Robo Go manga
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Did anyone manage to shoot down Genichiro on that one stage in A Portable on a fresh file or is that stuff purely NG+ material?
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>>22560338
I'm pretty sure some people have done it by pampering Akito but I think it's basically like beating the Guests in OG2
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>>22560345
Nah, you can beat the Guests without ever touching Lefina in either version of OG2 even though doing it makes it easier. That's just a battle of attrition.
Genichiro is kind of absurd since you need to feed Akito and inordinate amount of resources by a specific stage just for one part. Maybe if the Anti Ship Missiles had Barrier Pierce it would be less stupid.
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>>22560356
>you can beat the Guests without ever touching Lefina in either version of OG2 even though doing it makes it easier.
You can?
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>>22560345
Its more like beating The Butcher in that early stage in Z

>>22560364
Yeah you just camp the White Star
Upgrading the Hiryuu just means she can actually counterattack Sikalog instead of having to defend every hit to not die, all it does is make it go a little faster.
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>>22560126
Cyflas is still good, hard to make a post movement map shit
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>>22560126
Cybuster is decent in Alpha Gaiden, the problem is with the other Masoukishin units.
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>>22560364
The guests have no hp regen and your units are all high evasion type. It's just a matter of making sure the guests don't get into any defensive panel while their target is resupplying.
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>>22560374
Shame because they was their only time to shine in the Alpha series and then they fuck off.
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>>22560376
They probably didn't think much about game balance at that point. Development only start after alpha turned out to have high sales numbers and the executives wanted to cash on it asap.
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>>22560375
Kill Aguija first cause she's the only one with bunshin and you're gonna have to use most of your Strikes to even be able to hit her.
Then Sikalog so Hiryu isn't in danger and is free to support defend so you don't need to savescum if someone takes a hit
In OGs Graterkin's got an ALL so you wanna bait him into point-blank range on the edge of the white star specifically so he'll only use his sword.
Once its down to that point you can just chip him to death with Gilliam and his SP Regen.
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>>22559990
Might as well give Tusk a main event push too
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>>22560379
They thought about it more than Alpha 1 at least
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>>22560376
Masoukishin crew fucking off after Alpha Gaiden was a bummer but understandable since they have a Masoukishin plot to finish But Irm (and to an extent Ring) fucking off after Alpha Gaiden was even more baffling since they didn't have any reason to go far away from Earth. Would have been a really nice supporting OGs for every routes in @2
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>>22560395
Irm getting a Grungust Type-3 like how Viletta and Ratsel hop into Huck Mk-IIIs would've been pretty cool
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>>22560049
>>22559933
What the lack of a new translation and game does to a motherfucker.
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>>22560405
These guys are spoiled. Back then we had no hope.
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>>22560419
Sounds like one guy with how he types and behaves.
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>>22560399
I think Irm would pilot his trusty Grungust Kai instead but he could also pilot a Type 3 in @2 before going back to Grungust/Grungust Kai in @3.
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>>22560419
>tfw a DMCfag and an ACfag
This is literally nothing
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>>22560432
What's wrong with those series?
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>>22560432
Waited so long for a new AC game, it got a sticky of all things when VI got announced.
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>>22560399
Irm as a male supporting OG who appeared in every routes would have been perfect. Make Ratsel a Sanger route's exclusive
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>>22560427
Not that I would've minded seeing Type-2 again but that would've required new sprites
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>>22560383
I love that Tusk came to mind before Setsuna.
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>>22560433
They test people's patience
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Who's your favorite enemy-turned-ally pilot to use?
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>>22560438
So, this is actually real and not an April Fools joke?
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>>22560399
Kind of interesting that Viletta is the only OG character to appear in every Alpha game.
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>>22560445
A past example of an April Fools joke that Medarot did was pic related and it was real as it gets.
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>>22560450
Is Viletta the true protagonist of the Alpha series?
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>>22560444
You posted him, but barring that, I like it when Char joins us. Wish we could get some more crazy joins like we did in V though, I'd love to see us somehow recruit Rabaan or Scirroco
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>>22560441
Setsuna already have mechs like OO Raiser to ELS Qan-T that would keep him relevant on the upper tier. Making him a host of Zero would be kind of redundant
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>>22560432
>>22560433
And both pale before the FMPchad
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>>22560444
I love that when she joins in 30, Carmen says "Watch yourself. There's kids here."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-dxjTzKdc
>>22560458
I don't think Chara Soon has ever been recruitable, has she?
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Vindel was roughly the same as the base game. Upgrade God Gundam and your OG, scramble as much morale as possible into everyone else to soften up to just above the 20k mark and smack his shit in. Didn't upgrade anyone past 10 bars/66% weapons but it wasn't necessary because Exhaust and Flight Modules exist to bridge the gap.


This is one of those moments where Vysaga has the edge over the others if you picked it because +50 Crit is really useful for support attacking compared to the others having +20 and needing you to get hit for Prevail to kick in.
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>>22560439
I forgot, were the Type 2 or Type 3 stronger than the OG Grungust/Kai? They feel like a mass produced mechs
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Here's your next DD event.
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>>22560485

Nanoha collabing with a mobile game that makes sense? Perish the thought
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>>22560473
I think in the Alphaverse it goes
>Protag's Type-3 (Equipped with a Tronium Engine and potentially on par with SRX but was absorbed into RyuKoOh) > Sanger's Type-3 >= Kai (Upgraded version of OG and a testbed for Type-2, may or may not have a Tronium Engine) > Original > Protag's Type-2 (Simplified design in preparation for mass-production) > MP Type-2 (Same as the prototype but without the sword)
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>>22560503
Overlord is so fucking gay.
Its all the worst cliches about overpowered isekai protagonists and Fantasy settings with explicit RPG/MMO setups.
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Do you guys ever feel like you're becoming too out of touch?

I hate doing "Old Good, New Bad" posting, but thats how I'm starting to feel these days. I tey to keep up with newer shows to see what could get into these games. But like, all the new big popular shows I just end uo hating.

Witch from Mercury was divisive on /m/ but exploded in other places. Absolutely hated it. Not that Gundam had been stellar for me lately, IBO also was bad to me.
Then there was Bravern now, and I thought it was decent for about an episode or two. But even that I hated by the end.
What else would you consider new? I guess 86 seemed really big for a bit, but hated that as well.
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>>22560509
No because I'm not a bitter old bitch
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>>22560503
Well, there was a Nanoha collab in that Symphogear mobile game. They even reference Nana Mizuki voicing Tsubasa and Fate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTjn5TgnV-4
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>>22560527
I dunno about this one
It doesn't really look like a Medabot
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>>22560485
Yes please.
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>>22559687
legitimately amazing
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>>22559729
Someone answer this? Who do you get if you go with Nadesico instead of staying at Arzenal? Is it Daitarn 3?
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>>22560579
Yes! And like I said you get Black Might Gaine if you did secret which I think you need a certain amount of kills with Maito.
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>>22560444
I'm glad we got Black Might Gaine in VXT, going the extra step to include him in the Joint Dragon Fire was a nice touch too. Mashymre was great too, would have loved Chara Soon to join him too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18P8PkRzjrQ
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>>22559734
> that lelouch face
That is the face of a man who has had his most closely guarded and closeted fetish shattered forever.
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Is it weird that out of all the X-Omega exclusive series Devilman is the one I want in a console game the most?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yTMYctAOU
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>>22560645
But Devilman wasn't in X-Omega, so far it's been only in DD.
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>>22560658
Right. That's what I meant.
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>>22560334
He's secretly his universes version of Kouji
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>>22560621
Goldzinger versus Goldzilla needs to be an actual drawing.
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/117473076
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>>22560689
>Every single SRW universes have a Kouji
>Including OGverse
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>>22560720
Who's OG Kouji?
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>>22560689
And Al-Van (both J and MD) is his universe's Ryoma.
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>>22560721
Definitely Kouta despite his Mech looking like a Brave.
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>>22560721
Kouta's Dad
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>>22560604
Yeah Black Might Gaine was fun to use in V.
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>>22560399
Would he get a story arc like the SRX team?
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>Shinn Asuka exists in Alphaverse
>Triple Zero exists in Alphaverse
>A Giant Mazinger is buried somewhere in Alphaverse
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>>22560736
>Duke is too busy living a cozy Prince life to even care about Space Jews' onslaught
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>>22560745
Duke angered the Kouji Council so they wiped him from existence.
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>>22560736
Shinn became jelly when Third Impact happened.
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>>22560736
>Banana exists in Alphaverse
>Full Frontal exists in Alphaverse
>GP02 gets stolen again, this time by Angelo
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQhaPGhSoxE
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>>22560769
Oh that's interesting, the animation style is like a prototype for the OG Masoukishin games
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>>22560745
>Life is all great for Alphaverse's football superstar Ryoma Nagare
>And then he got sentenced to prison after going full Cantona on some poor schmuck and lost everything except for his Dad's old, broken down dojo
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Euzeth mentions the Zuvorg at the end of Alpha 1 but they never show up
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>>22560816
What if Zuvorg is a rather peaceful race in Alphaverse?
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>>22560816
Maybe that's where Irm and Ring went after Alpha Gaiden
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>>22560837
Isn't their whole thing that they're basically peaceful but the ones that turn up at Earth are from war mongering factions
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>>22560841
I thought only peaceful ones are from Mekibos' faction after OG2
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>>22560720
Record of ATX has an Amuro cameo as part of Gilliam's glowie team so its not impossible
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>Godzilla in SRW
>Plot is a mixture of Kiryu and Final Wars but also featuring Heisei monsters as bosses like the TOEI Dynamic movie monsters in old games
>Player side gets Kiryu, Gotengo and Mothra
>In the endgame Godzilla upgrades to his Final Wars version and appears as a final stage reinforcement if you get enough Godzilla Points
Would you be satisfied with this
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>>22560851
Since Aile Chevalier already upgrades into a Dendrobium type I wish they would've leaned more into Blanche Neige's assist craft gimmick instead
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>>22560857
Wait, "OG Amuro" appeared in Record of ATX too? I only saw him in OG Chronicles manga alongside Moroboshi and Kotaro Minami
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>>22560813
>his dad's old, broken down dojo

Why? His dad is still using it, it shouldn't be broken down.
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>>22560816
I wonder if they abandoned all those OG plots for Alpha (EX for the MK cast, whatever they wanted to do with Irm and Ring, Alteisen existing in some form) so that they could instead use them for OG1&2
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>>22560509
I cut Bravern some slack since obari never really directed tv anime until gravion, so his whole directorial career was always about doing cool shit without substance at an abyssmal pacing. Bravern did fine in that regard. Not to mention this is the studio's first original production that I can understand them wanting to play it safe.
WFM sucked because they show many things happening at once and none of them are really relevant in the end. They did a good job fleshing out the world in the first season, but for what? They wasted so much of the second season on random bullshit and redundant episodes. Suletta doesn't even get to confront her mom, what the fuck? Imagine if lelouch never fought his dad and it was just CC taking down lelouch's parents, that's basically how WFM ended.
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>>22560918
I like WfM for the most part but it really feels like they wrote most of S2 with the assumption there would be an S3
SRW will probably end up fixing some of its endgame writing issues at least
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>>22560913
Blue Alteisen/Natch/Gespenst MK 3 figure in Noriko's room could imply two things, either there is a really succesful show/anime about Kyosuke and Excellen in Alphaverse or Alteisen Natch/Gespenst MK3 was actually produced by the military in Alphaverse, possibly with a version of Kyosuke as it's pilot
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>>22560939
I'm leaning on the former since there should have been at least a mention of Gespenst MK3 or Natch if the military developed that
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>>22560918
Usual Obarifag taint sucking, how gay and boring.
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>>22561023
Still RIP.
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>>22561025
I'm a little upset the Z'Gok's going to be map sprite only
And it'll probably just be a UC Z'Gok too
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>>22560918
>They did a good job fleshing out the world in the first season
No they didn't, they were extremely vague about everything
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>>22560467
Mind telling me what your levels look like right now? Been trying to get a good idea how more advance players are working around the new SP totals.
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>>22560444
Betterman cataphract, I loved Lamia in the original Betterman anime, and him + Guy having a rivalry in GGG vs Betterman is cool. So getting him on my side in 30 was great. Another one of my favs has to be saving Master Asia and having him rekt house. oh, Char is cool too when you get him on your side. Hopefully, when Da-Garn or Exkaiser gets added to SRW, We get to add Dino Geist and Seventh Changer to our armies.
Though it would be funny if Fighbird is added and you end up being able to add Drias.
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>>22561134
still need to play SvS
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>>22561134
Because Exkaiser was animated by Sunrise and Obari worked on that. Pic is a anon 'interview' with him.
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>>22561134
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>>22561041
Will Mu, Yzak, and Dearka be playable or will they be map sprites too?
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>>22561165
You already getting Murrue back don't be greedy anon. They can be her attack only move.
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>>22561173
I'm not expecting them to be playable anyway. I guess I could possibly see Hilda as an attack for Shinn.
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>>22561165
Yzak and Dearka are absolutely going to be playable given they not only get new units, they're also the ones with the Meteor Combination attacks this time around.

Mwu might be the one up in the air depending on how they handle the Zeus Silhouette since the Akatsuki is the one largely using it for most of the movie despite it being meant to be used with the Destiny.

I think the one more up in the air is if Hilda's playable since all of the voiced games seemed to be avoiding using her and yet they've opted to give us Conroy from Unicorn and Nigel and his buddies too.
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Anyone has a compilation of songs to use as custom BGM for 30?
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>>22561123
Most of my mains are between 22-26 as of Stage 22. It would probably be a bit higher if I wasn't trying to pick up certain secrets along the way even though I know I'm not really going to use them. But some stages don't really give you much leeway with deployments during the midgame, so its not that much of a loss.
Actually in the process of figuring out my final team for this run at the moment since I'm trying to avoid using too many of the usual suspects.
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>>22561187
I don't know considering 30 skipped out on Cornelia despite being the only character aside from Suzaku and Kallen to get a fight scene.
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>>22561187
Conroy and Nigel were for Z3 which despite decimating the returning casts still tried to do full-ish representation for the debuts
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>>22561192
30 was a special case since it was being developed concurrently with T. That being said SEED Freedom sold extremely well compared to the geass movie so they won't half ass this one.
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>>22561203
I'm surprised Emma, Four, and even Katz came back in Z3. Though, I guess UC getting focus again helped.
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>>22561134
And who animated that? You think you're smart huh.
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>>22561146
Jesus Christ, Obari is too good for this world
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>>22560736
>>22560763
>Jona exists in Alphaverse
>Orphee and Agnes exist in Alphaverse
>Lamia and the Bettermen exist in Alphaverse
>Latooni and the other School victims exist in Alphaverse
>The Three Gods of La Gias and their creator the Kadoam Hakam and the Giants exist in Alphaverse
>Dancouga Nova, Baxinger and Sasuraiger will exist in the future
>Whatever kind of shenanigans we see in Diebuster 12,000 years later
>Whatever the hell Frozen Teardrop was
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>>22561234
>Whatever kind of shenanigans we see in Diebuster 12,000 years later
The fight with Keisar Ephes probably comes hot off the heels of the Diebuster finale
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>>22561209
It's more surprising though that ZZ was never included at all in the Z series, it's as if the events of ZZ never happened and/or that these events are ultimately inconsequential to the overall UC.
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>>22561222
He's really not
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>>22561234
>>22561239
Where the hell have the other Topless and Diebuster characters been?
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>>22561245
The same place the Seed characters were prior to @3
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>>22559669
...SRW?
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>>22561134
Where the fuck are her pants
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>>22561242
Pic related and Godannar say otherwise
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>>22561234
Alpha 2 and 3 remakes with betterman and 3GvB when?
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>>22560930
>assumption there would be an S3
I wanted to see an IBO sequel that follows Mika's kid's misadventures
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>>22561257
>godannar
>obari
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>>22561191
That's good. We were trying to aim in the range of Chapter Number+3, but I was worried all the efforts to make early game EXP more consistent through boss kills may have warped things for more intentional play and made things too easy.
A lot more things work this time around, so it makes for a lot more choices. I've seen a scarily effective endgame Zakrello.
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>>22561278
Chapter Number to Chapter Number +3, rather.
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>>22559673
? Tha fuck
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I think you can do it on a fresh run if you're diligent enough with Akito, I wasn't even though I took the Space Route, so I didn't bother.
The biggest thing is getting him as close as possible to Level 23 going into this stage and investing about 133k in weapons for damage.
2x Valor and a Revenge boosted counter is more than enough to take him down by my estimates.
At this rate, the only disappointment is going to be the MP Getter Dragon since looking at it, the thing just seems like a Stoner Sunshine Spark bot as Tekkoki/Kochoki's units are stronger outside of that. Kocho already wants you to reserve about half of your Prevail parts so she has a not terrible level for a SR pilot too.
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>>22560939
>ATX: Alt & Weiss starring Toshiharu Morikawa and Yuriko Mizutani
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>>22561234
>Rishu exists in Alphaverse since Ryukooh Denki originally took place in Alphaverse
>He was probably friend with Juuzo
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>>22561257
Godannar is Kimura and the (superior) Masahiro Yamane you ignorant plebeian
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>>22561234
>Republic of Almerian exists in Alphaverse
>Raveraid exists in Alphaverse
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>>22561257
You forgot another series that made Yuu Asakawa (Mizuki's VA) acquaintances with Obari.
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>>22561296
>>22561257
>>22561264
Yamane honestly gets less recognition than he deserves.
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>>22561296
Godannar is the most unlike any other Kimura mecha anime, the icing of which being that it's the only one not from Sunrise, and Yamane is a close friend of Obari and worked with him in plenty of anime either of them were involved in, and it has plenty of Obari-isms and influence such as sexual and action fanservice that it may as well be considered an Obari anime despite ironically not involving the man at all.
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>>22561318
Fuck off and kill yourself, lying shitposter.
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>>22561234
I think Latooni does exist in the Alphaverse, though she gets is a passing mention. Also, let's not forget about the Vajra or the Jupiter Empire returning.
>>22561241
It definitely didn't, considering Haman is still alive in Z3. I don't know if Z1 doing the Zeta movies, since the ending clashes with ZZ such as Kamille not being a vegetable. Though, I guess they could have still done ZZ plot if they wanted to. Come to think of it does DD make any reference to ZZ despite it being absent there too?
>>22561308
>Yuu Asakawa
I'm suddenly imagining Motoko Aoyama doing the pose.
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>>22561311
https://sakugabooru.com/post?page=1&tags=rihiro_yamane
You got that right.
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>>22561318
>Trying to slander Obari this hard
Either you hate gays or you're an angry Nu-Jamal
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>>22561337
>Though, I guess they could have still done ZZ plot if they wanted to.
I mean SRW itself has done the ZZ plot with Kamille still around at least once, possibly more, so definitely not impossible to do at least.
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>>22561234
Would Hathaway be brave enough to start shit in Alphaverse?
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>>22561343
>Trying to slander Obari this hard
Huh?
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>>22561344
I can't think of a single game with ZZ plot that didn't have Kamille running around
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>>22561350
Did Hathaway ever appear in Alpha, let alone meet Quess so her death can make him go on his "Fuck the Federation" crusade?
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>>22561192
The difference is it's Geass where nobody gives a shit about anything but shipping the two leads, while in Seed lots of the side characters are still well liked and popular.
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>>22560457
She is an incredible math
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>>22561356
He may have done a cameo as a kid as seen in Zeta Gundam, but that's it.
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>>22561187
>I think the one more up in the air is if Hilda's playable since all of the voiced games seemed to be avoiding using her

Give that her units will already been done for other characters they'll probably keep her around this time. Z1 didn't use her because they didn't really give Team Kira much focus and after that it became MCs only.
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>>22561356
He's not playable in Alpha 2 and that's where 95% of the UC Gundam villains died so Mafty probably won't happen.
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>>22561041
Depends how long they spread the series out throughout the game.
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>>22560376
They need to contain her until the story ends. Please understand
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>>22561364
What I want to know is if Kira and Shinn will be out of commission after losing Rising and Immortal? If so, how long until they get Mighty and Destiny?
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>>22561334
I'm sorry, who are you talking to?
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Ever had this feeling where you watch a mecha anime and think Obari is involved but is really not?
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>>22561366
>how long until they get Mighty and Destiny
Possibly around the midgame assuming we go at a pace roughly alike to Trailblazer in the 3DS games?
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>>22561337
It's Angel Blade, I tell you! Angel Blade! You forgot? Nailkaiser?
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>>22561354
There is none. ZZ has never been in a game without Zeta or CCA.
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>>22561379
No.
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Speaking of Obari, remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6USU2yKM7k
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>>22561374
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>>22561366
They could actually go all out and give Kira SF type II in the stage after and then Mighty for Freedom's final stage. It's the same sprite with just a different backpack and unlike the movie in all certainty Mighty Strike Freedom won't have most of SF's weapons disabled due to battle damage which means most of it's attack list will probably just be SF's usual repetiore (Saber slash, combined rifle shot, full burst, etc). So they can just reuse most of those animations for Mighty.
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>>22560939
Alteisen and Weissritter exist in the Alpha-verse.

No mention of Kyosuke or Excellen, though.
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>>22561318
>u-uh actually it IS an obari anime
God just go back to twitter you fucking moron.
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>>22561441
Explain.
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>>22561379
That's just you being retarded. It's obviously a kawagoe show with all the boring shots and bland action cuts.
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That's just /m/ being close-minded faggots.
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>>22561430
So, you really are talking to yourself?
Got it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcC4sA_gN84
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>>22561473
Self-explanatory.
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>>22561255
You mean skirt? Only men wear pants.
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>>22561499
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>dude obari XD
Is this the so called Bravern effect?
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>>22561146
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>>22561517
Is this a popular ship? How do you all feel about it?
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>>22560634
That's the afterlife face he made when he realized he cucked himself out of c2 & kallen.
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>>22561523
You are who you say other people are.
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>>22561535
Goddamn pathetic.
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>>22561374
>>22561430
>>22561523
>>22561536
Imao. Still going at it.
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>>22561535
I'm sure C.C. could stay in Al-Warth with him. Where else does she have to go?
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>>22561539
No kidding.
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I love that every game with Geass has had dimension hopping in some manner.
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>>22561551
Are there dimension hopping powers in the original show? Even the Geass mobage has alternate worlds and timelines.
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Code gayasscuck
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>>22561536
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Find a mirror house, you two.
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>>22561517
Those are just plamo. That anon says the actual units exist in Alpha.
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>>22561584
>>22561517
>>22561473

The write-up for the MP Gespenst Mk-II in Alpha Gaiden states that two MP Gespenst Mk-IIs are modified into the Alteisen and Weissritter.
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>>22561589
Prove it.
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>>22561589
Huh? I don't remember alpha gaiden having a library
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>>22561592
It wasn't translated.
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>>22561568
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>>22561593
Surely, it must be implied somewhere because the game is translated.
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>>22561581
>>22561586
I love my water oujo-sama girlfriend!
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>>22561613
Umi Saikyo
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>>22561589
Someone with a screenshot?

>>22561592
It does.
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>>22561222
Obari may not be the GOAT in mecha, but he's still damn good.
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>>22561622
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>>22561630
Don't be nervous, Ascot.
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>>22561517
Forget about Alteisen, Tetsuya is a fucking megastar with poster like that
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>>22561610
The translation patch only covers the actual gameplay stuff (menus, battle dialogue and the like), not the encyclopedias.
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Breaktime.
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Don't forget that Bian is alive and well in Alphaverse and he didn't even bother to bust out his Valsion to help the Alpha numbers
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>>22561621
I was about to then I remembered I uninstalled epsxe from my phone just a few weeks ago
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>>22561571
The best of friends.
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Thread break time.
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>>22561728

As I understood how Alpha adapted him, because there was proof of heavily armed alien civilizations (the titular ship of Super Dimension Fortress Macross) and more people willing to listen to him in the Earth Federation (Universal Century Gundam), Bian saw no reason to take matters into his own hands and created the Divine Crusaders as a simple scientific and intelligence organization.
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>>22561890
In Alpha 1's robot gallery Valsione R's entry states that Valsion existed and was the first EOT robot
According to the Japanese wiki Valsion was supposed to appear in Alpha 1 but was cut for time, in-story IIRC Bian got kidnapped by the Jupiterians and was presumed dead until he shows up in Alpha 3
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>>22561921
I'll never not find his cameo there funny.
"Hey have any of you seen my daughter?"
"Uh... we haven't seen her in over a year."
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new srw when
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>>22561946
Never, unless fans make one
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>>22561589
Doesn't the Alt show up in the Alpha drama CD?
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>>22561921

Uh. I imagine maybe Valsion in this case is basically a testbed for future equipment the Federation will need against future alien invasions and if you're right about why Bian was a no-show for Alpha 2 (wanting to focus on Alpha Timeline's originals aside), that can prevent Bian from doing more with the Valsion.
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>>22561921
Come to think of it since Scirocco is the final Jupiterian boss in Alpha 1 maybe he was supposed to pilot the captured Valsion in the endgame, like he does in some of the Classic games
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Happy 50th anniversary to the Toei Getter Robo anime.
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>>22561622
I don't think the shoulder guns or hip gun are used in any of its animations.
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In games with skill parts, how do you use them? Do you just dump all of them into one pilot or do you assign them to help pilots reach specific break points? For example getting the bonus movement from Infight in a game like A Portable.
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>>22562152
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpTP61PR5zs
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https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/117504650
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>>22559673
BNA? more like Big Nosed Asexual
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vTTr1mN9Sk
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>>22559666
I wish that were me
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>>22562345
>1080p rerelease
Pretty neat. I remember watching this a lot when it first came out.
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>>22562278
Damn, a Lat pic like that that's new to me is a rare thing indeed, nice find.
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Sandland should get into SRW. Might work well with Galient and Nadia.
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>>22561025
That's a nice surprise. I thought the mecha was fully CG in Freedom.
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>>22562165
>shoulder guns
It's a smoke bomb launcher and it's used in the animation

>hip gun
Part of the all out attack animation
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>>22562165
They are. Watch again.
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>Left Heavyarms relatively intact and if anything gave it a minor buff by adding 2 more shots on Micro Missiles as if it needed any more when it gets up to 3x as much ammo between FUB and parts
You'd think Heavyarms would be something that also got a hit when Daimos and Great got touched for being "obvious first picks".
A swing and a miss guys.
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>>22562586
If they removed strong Heavyarms then there'd be none of AP's identity left at all
So they're definitely going to cut it
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>>22562589
Even with all of the so called "balance" changes, you still end up gravitating towards the same units because many of them were left relatively intact and everyone gained higher hit rates/sp values. Its just funny because on one hand, Kazuya lost ~800 power on his attacks and on the other he reverted back to having both Love and Soul on his spirit set, so it still ends up effortlessly being one of the strongest units around. Great still ends up being an priority unit because its a low investment support attacker in a game that rewards support attacking.

Kochoki seemed like a cool option because of the changes but they left the Getter Robos on 2300 so they're still meme units that you bring along because you want to use Stoner Sunshine Spark than serious competitors.
It really just feels like a slightly easier AP with a half finished balance pass.
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>>22562336
????
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Super Robot Taisen Mahou

Mazinkaiser (OVA's+Movie)
Shin Getter Robo vs Neo Getter Robo
Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ
Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack
Mobile Fighter G Gundam
Mobile Suit Gundam 00 (season 1)
The Super Dimension Fortress Macross
Metal Armor Dragonar
Heavy Metal L-Gaim
Gunbuster
Neon Genesis Evangelion
Tengen Toppa Gurren Laggan
Brave Exkaiser
Brave Fighter of Sun Fighbird
The King of Braves GaoGaiGar

Magic Knight Rayearth

Re: Cutey Honey
Magical Princess Minky Momo
Creami Mami
Pretty Guardian Sailor Moon
Cardcaptor Sakura
Revolutionary Girl Utena
Tokyo Mew Mew
Princess Tu-Tu
Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha
Futari Wa Pretty Cure
Fresh Pretty Cure
Heartcatch Pretty Cure
Smile Pretty Cure (Happy Robo would be a secret unit, would function as a "frame" for Cure Happy)
Go Princess Pretty Cure
Puella Magi Madoka Magica (compilation movies + rebellion)
Gushing over Magical Girls
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>Monsha survives in 0083: Rebellion
Cool.
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>>22562630
I think they're saying they don't like Brand New Animal.
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>>22562698
He survives in the 0083 OVA though
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>>22560816
>No Alpha Gaiden 2 where Irm and Kincaid lead an Alpha Numbers B Squad against Zezenan and the Guest on Zuvorg's homeworld
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>>22562474
Yeah it's a hybrid of 2D and 3D mecha for Freedom
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>>22562676
>Gushing over Magical Girls
So, would she start out as an enemy trying to molest everyone and then join afterwards?
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>>22562733
I'd play that.
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>>22562743
so is Rising Freedom something Kira uses while Strike Freedom is getting upgraded?
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>>22562676
>SRW "Mahou"
>Only mecha show in the list that explicitly uses magic is Rayearth while the rest is mostly just your average SRW list with Gundams/Braves/Gainax shows and no real oddball choices
>Majority of the magical girl shows listed would hardly fit into a SRW setting besides Cutey Honey, Minky Momo, Creamy Mami, Nanoha, and like half the Precures
>Not including magical girls that would actually potentially work in a SRW setting like Symphogear, Kill la Kill, or Corrector Yui

m8 if you want a Magical Girl SRW that isn't Super Heroine Chronicles just say you want that instead of mashing together two completely separate lists.
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>>22562789
Pretty much yeah.
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>>22562789
>>22562851
After an incident that led to Foundation sleeper agents that infiltrated Compass to steal the Strike Freedom (it's assumed a former boyfriend of Agnes stole it) and its major members forced to cut it down, which Shinn remembered fondly. End result, they have to let Orb repair and upgrade that thing knowing their next "ally" is gonna threaten the balance of the world.
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>>22562926
Z3
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>>22562976
I just remembered DD has three Akiras in it.
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>>22560253
Yeah, if I have one major regret as the person who did the unit balance, it's that I probably should have done more for Kaine. I overestimated how much fixing his spirits would help him. God, AP fucked up his A spirit set so bad.
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>>22560253
They should have just made it MX's Twin Laser Sword
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>>22562609
There's the rub. We tried to avoid nerfs as much as possible, and attempt to bring more units up to being relevant, but there's only so much you can do.
Especially when you have people like >>22562589 who hate any nerfs at all, even if they're an overall buff in practice.
Heavyarms stays Heavyarms, Shin Getter stays Shin Getter, etc. What do you do, make everyone Shin Getter? At a certain point, you sand off the edges so much that every unit is the same.
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>>22562586
Daimos and Great got touched because they have 3300 weapon curves that make them the only thing you spend money on, which warps the entire game in weird fucky butterfly effect ways because AP has weird-ass level scaling and EXP payouts. Without changing enemies, if you use those two for like every boss kill, your level goes into the toilet, and you end up with an utter lack of meaningful resources for the lategame. It's bizarre.
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>>22563008(You)
>>22562586
Gonna samefriend real damn hard here, but also, I'm pretty damn sure I would have gotten a lot of shit if I cut the ammo for the Heavyarms in half like I wanted to lmao
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>>22562926
Z3 is the best WZC but Z2 is the best overall Wing Zero.
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Breaktime.
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>Carlos Axion
>Axion Buster
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Thread breaktime.
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>>22563015
>>22563008
You already got a ton of shit for touching Daimos and Great Mazinger, might as well just go full hog at that point. I do theorize that they inverted the upgrade tiers for WZC and Heavyarms at one point considering that practically every unit with a 5000+ power finisher is on the 2300 tier yet Heavyarms is strangely enough on 3100. If you did drop him on 2300, then you need to increase the ammo on Full Open. 2 shots gives him 6 post fub and 3 puts him around 9-10 depending on rounding.
The thing might not be as obviously strong as early game Daimos, Great not so much because by the time you get Great, you have enough alternatives to create strong attackers/supports but Heavyarms is still an obvious pick because its just trivially the best non OG support attacker in the game at the point where you want them for HP bloat.

>>22562998
His spirit set is still a little awkward in your patch. If you really wanted to buff his set, you might want to look to MX for some inspiration. Gain/Focus/Fortitude/Accel/Valor/Soul is a rather boring loadout but its a healthy middle man between what he already has and what's good for him. Spirit for example is completely useless on a character who only needs 110-115.
The Dragonar Combos all could use some minor tweaks, mostly Triple Attack and Twin Laser Sword and his moveset just doesn't cut it when it's still mostly ranged based.

I don't mind buffing the weaker units but even some of the stronger ones could use some minor tweaks so they still maintain their relative lead above the others. Getter Dragon Solo should at least be as strong as Tekkoki/Kochoki without needing to use the combos mate.
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>>22563128
Nice.
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>>22563015
Huh, not really. 32 ammo double gatling gun is ridiculous, it might as well be free.
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>>22561938
>Daughter would rather follow a random guy that she only met recently and stay in another world instead of visiting you
At least other universe's Bian died before Lune came to picture.
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>>22563208
Every other attack on par with Double Gatling only get 5 ammo at most and those are finishers at that. Heavyarms gets over triple the amount before magazines (16) and since they reduced fub costs across the board, you can afford one or two when you're done with weapons to push that shit up to 48.
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>>22563003
I feel like I would have gotten more enjoyment out of the patch if it leaned into the silly side of making units more unique. SRW in general I feel like is at its best when the bad balance creates memorable wrong moments or otherwise silly situations. Like if you're reworking Daitarn into a ranged unit play it up, make the Daitank have Tuatha de Danaan tier range on its attacks. You're replacing one of the Qubeley's with the Psycho 2, go crazy with its stats, give it 5-digit HP before scaling, give it a Beam Coat and an I-Field, turn it into this Anti-Beam Brick with 4 move.
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>>22563293
Wouldn't that go against the design philosophy of making a Definitive version that Replaces The Original though
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>>22563297
Yes, that's the problem definitive is a subjective term in the case of game balance. Their objective was a flawed one, they should have been aiming for say a more approachable version instead. Focus on bringing Supers closer to the Level of Daimos and Reals closer to the Level of Heavyarms while keeping everything relatively vanilla and only fixing the more glaring of spirit list problems like how they reworked Lamia's list to actually be competitive with old Axel's list (then nerfed Axel anyway). Then release a separate patch the contains their more out there changes like turning Daitarn into a ranged unit or changing the Dragon Gundam's finisher.
Besides if you're trying to make a definitive edition you shouldn't be looking to round out the edges of the game that make them unique you should focus on enhancing those unique qualities.
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>>22563297
I have no stake in this but from playing the patch, that's really not the design ethos that I gathered from playing it. If anything they were too afraid to shake things up so it feels half baked.
+20 Hit and higher SP pools is not a bad change since it just makes it feel a bit more in line with the other games of that time. But since Command Auras don't really exist you still end up hovering around the EWAC units to maintain consistent hit/evasion.
There was no point in giving Strike to one OG and then taking it away from the other. That just just tilts the balance in the opposite dial.
That excuse about not wanting to upset people by not touching Heavyarms but on the same hand slapping Axel, Daimos and Great makes no sense. We have a number of bad/subpar units that did not really get buffed but they also decided to buff already above average units like the G Gundam cast. Why did you take away Fortitude from him but kept Spirit? His ace bonus is also still nearly useless because it doesn't work on most of his kit.
If you're going to turn Daitarn into a mostly ranged unit then Space Combination should also be ranged as well.

I'm not the kind of person who's going to encourage 5-15 on a unit that's not water locked like the handheld Dananns since they did nerf its ranges in Z3 but eh, everyone has their own philosophy for balance. I just feel like they should have committed to one side instead of trying to play both.

>>22563308
RRs on the level of Heavyarms and SRs on the level of Daimos just means that everyone breaks 8k before combos. It's technically easier to fix the outliers but when you do that than bring everything else up but the problem is when you don't do a thorough enough pass.
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>>22563336
Referring to Keine with the spirit set changes.
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>>22563336
Yeahhh, I thought G Gundam units in AP are one of their strongest incarnations. They're probably the only second stringers who are close to the mc's performance once you upgrade them in AP.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJadUhA7U2Y&pp=ygUM44Ks44Oz44OA44Og
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>>22563184
Yeah, if there's something I've realized from the feedback in these threads, it's that I could have done a bit more. This is why we playtested a lot, and I always ask for more feedback. I'm not calling this "definitive" to smell my own farts or anything, it's because I want to enhance the existing experience that much that you'd rather just play this. I know this is just my interpretation, and it can be flawed.

From what I'm gathering the things that could use a second pass are: Kaine/D-1, Getter Dragon (Solo), Great, Heavyarms, Daitarn, and Axel in general. This could expand based on what's brought up.

>>22563336
>>22563308
I do think I handled Daimos pretty well as a mixed approach, but Great needs a bit more sauce, and I never intended Axel's current situation to be a "nerf". A Focus/Invincible set with bigger damage spikes (via Valor/Soul) than Lamia can put out was the goal, but I don't think I was aggressive enough on the SP cost cuts to make that land without it just feeling like his accuracy is worse with no benefit.
I still need to do a bugfix patch for a few specific things (Twin Laser Sword's power and Master Gundam's combos on Domon's side, for one), so I'll probably give them all something then.

>>22563293
This is also what I generally enjoy, but I was also concerned I would change things so much that it wouldn't feel like "AP but less investment traps" and more "All your stuff is new but the enemies are the same". I eventually want to make two patches: A more conservative one that keeps the bullshit enemies intact, and a more drastic revamp that functionally makes AP into a new game with less raw bulk and more teeth.
If this feels like it could have been more drastic and it played things a bit too safe, yeah, that's the idea, but I'm aware that must feel strange when there's some entire moveset revamps in this game too. It's just, man, have you seen Dragon Gundam? That damn thing has like, one move, functionally. lmao
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>>22563456
The OGs both have Valor/Soul so Axel can only really output higher damage by picking Soulgain. Unless you took Soul away from Lamia but that would be dumb.
I'd expand that list to the Dynamic Pro units in general. Mazinger Z is still the worst one of the three that you bring purely for the combos and we have some awkward numbers here and there.
The Romance Trilogy feel fine enough, especially when you gave players a reason to get Choudenji Ball for once. And Daitarn just needs some minor tweaking on what you already have. Sun Attack Random Fire and Sun Attack don't feel different enough for example. If you want to push, then you could consider giving Banjo an actual defensive spirit in Guard over Zeal or something but his feel was always the special defense tanker as awkward it can feel against bosses later on.
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>>22563481
I'll give them all a second look. What stands out to you as something that makes Mazinger Z feel bad? I actually use him a lot, the Ammo approach has made him far more workable and opens up his combination attacks, so I generally like the current unit feel. I haven't had anyone say he feels bad directly, but his usage has been a bit low.
Grendizer actually had a lot of work done including the Spazers, and the Getter 1/G/Shin path feels a lot smoother, although I've noticed Getter 3 isn't quite where it could be post-patch. Boss Borot is in a good state, but Sayaka and Jun don't quite stand out, even with their base power changes and Jun's attack list reshuffle on her mech.
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>>22563529
Let's go from the top.
Mazinger Z's moveset design is pretty good, it has a lot of ammo based moves and then uses EN for its combos, so its never really is any danger of running out after you get the Large Magazine. The damage is acceptable for a solo unit and I know that these guys primarily exist for combos. And this is where Z falters.
If I only have space for two units, I'm going to take Great + Grendizer over Z + Great any day because Double Lightning Buster is just significantly better than Double Burning Fire on top of them being bulkier because two of them can parry and Z can't. Mazinger Tornado and the other moves require you to tether the three bros together and are moves that you only really break out for bosses.
Great is an easier thing to comment on. Breast Burn and Thunder Break are way too expensive especially when you made MP Great's moves a tad cheaper at 40/60 EN respectively instead of Great's 50/70 EN. This is kind of a thing that you notice when you remember that Great only has 10 Ammo between its non Great Booster attacks compared to Z's 12 shots on its non finishers. It runs out really fast, especially if Tetsuya is busy support attacking.
As for Grendizer, moveset is generally fine, I recall Space Thunder being on par with Thunder Break in A, albeit with slightly worse range, you can do something about that. Double Harken being cheaper than Space Thunder is funny and you can leave that.

Did you really mean to leave the 3-6P on Marine Spazer but take it away from Double Spazer? Adding Repair/Resupply to two of them was a nice idea (feels in line with other games). Double should get the EWAC (S) by default to complete the support trio. Change the custom for that and Drill after. Also weird that you're complaining about Getter 3 when I think the errant one of the bunch is the Getter 1 line.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwQ83e9FeDU
Is this the most questionable recruitable character in SRW history
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>>22563648
What about him?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIAESHawi8U
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>>22563662
He's got no motivation to oppose you anymore after the plot's resolved so it kind of makes sense for him to team up with you at least
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>>22563579
Mazinger Z is a tough unit to balance on his combinations, because his massive availability makes him around for much longer than Grendizer. If his combos are comparable, why even use Daisuke? I think making their attacks a bit more efficient might be the way to go, to make it a power versus longevity scenario. I tried to make them pretty cheap with the Z en use changes, but maybe I still didn't do enough.
Great does run into issues that I considered partially solved by, again, the combos. Maybe he just needs a bit more ammo on his standout moves earlier in the list, making him a bit more like Voltes.
Yes, all the choices on the Spazers are intentional, including the P and nonP changes. They generally are meant to have a middle list efficient weapon and a big finisher that Grendizer can use as a solid move for itself. Double is designed to be the most combat oriented of the three, but ill take another look at it
I'm interested in what you think of the Getter 1, because I get massively different takes on the 1, 2 and 3 from different people. Some swear 2 is useless, some think 3 has too much of an air handicap (I'm inclined to agree with that C rank), and 1 gets heat for being so player phase oriented even after the range changes.
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>>22563648
Don't make fun of Tetsuya and Joshua's friend. The most questionable recruit is Gato, Chronicle, and Katajina
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Would Alpha Gaiden be canon to Alpha Dreamcast?
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>>22564101
Alpha Dreamcast's new route final boss is Shu in Neo Granzon so no
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>>22563969
>If there combos are comparable why even use Daisuke
Grendizer is still a superior unit statistically in every category on top of its pilot having Soul if a bit late. You also still need it for their strongest attacks.
I also don't think a stronger Double Burning Fire is that big of a deal considering that Duke shows up not that long after Tetsuya joins for real anyway.

>Getters
Getter Q is funnily enough a better unit than Getter 1, Getter 1 (Solo) and Getter Dragon (Solo) in terms of damage which is hilarious. Dragon literally only beats it if you burn 150 EN on Stoner Sunshine Spark which is laughably bad when you remember that one of these units joins roughly 20 missions later.
As for the main ones, the best ones kind of flip depending on what stage of the game you're at.
Getter 1 is probably at its strongest relative to the others when you're using G. Classic 1 is about even with 3, if a bit worse at boss killing with the right parts for that segment and Shin 1 is purely for bosses.
Getter 2 is always the best defensively but Shin 2 is definitely the best of the bunch there. 75% Bunshin and two useful spam moves for mooks with good ranges. Drill Tempest is stronger and cheaper than Getter Beam with more range too.
Getter 3 is never bad for the entire game but I can see people skipping it because you need to give it one of your 2-3 Flight Modules.
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>>22564110
So if I play Alpha DC I could skip straight to Alpha 2?
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>>22564074
I thought Gato's main reason for joining the heroes in most games was because of his loyalty to Char and in the games where he does join you have Quattro on your side. This goes both ways since in Impact when Char does his heel turn to drop Axis, so does Gato. I think the only games with Stardust that don't let you recruit Gato are 64, the Alpha series, and A/A Portable.
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>>22564124
The events of Alpha Gaiden happened and inform a lot of the returning cast's relationships and character motivations so no
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>>22564114
>Grendizer is still a superior unit statistically in every category on top of its pilot having Soul if a bit late.

You also have less time to pour money and pilot parts into it and its pilot though anon, is what I think they're getting at. Also I don't think they fixed Duke's stats.
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>>22564199
The thing about money in AP is that the bulk of it, especially for the first half or so of the game is pretty much airmarked for specific units due to retreat thresholds. They also made it feasible for you to shoot down Geinichiro now, as quite frankly, you don't actually have that much freedom with cash until the 20s which is roughly when Duke joins.
The pilot part thing is also hamstrung by item availability, you don't get that many parts to work with on a fresh run and certain parts also have priority units as well.

Availability is a good argument in favor of Mazinger, namely the idea that Kouji has the ability to potentially garner more resources into himself but the practicality for NG tells a completely different story.
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>>22564219
To elaborate further;
OG gets priority because that's your best support attacker.
Then you want to upgrade Daimos because that's your best boss killer and earliest source of Valor.
If you're going for Master Asia, then Domon has to get upgrades because he needs to get 30 kills by Stage 19.
Getter Robo also wants upgrades if you plan on getting the drops from the three retreating bosses in Stage 15 because Great won't be upgraded and OG can't do it by themselves.
Now, we also want to upgrade Akito because his Missiles pierce Barriers and the ability to feasibly get SP Cost Down to pass onto someone like Keiko is a big deal.
Also, while stats are pretty important in SRW, you need an absolutely massive stat gap in certain categories before you really start seeing a difference. I'm talking about favoritism level tier investment for it to really pull someone ahead and I know that people tend to prioritize +Melee/Range parts on support attackers.
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The Genichiro kill is so obviously supposed to be a NG+ reward that you don't at all need to beat the game and I never understand why people go so far out of their way to fuck up their play experience just to get it
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>>22564248
Its beyond NG+. The kill is borderline impossible to get without retarded amounts of favoritism in the basic game. I'm talking about Level 64 with max weapons.
In the patch, it's considerably easier to the point that you only need to be at Level 23 to do it which is not out of the way unless you just don't want to use Akito.
Barrier Pierce on Anti Ship Missiles + Revenge on Akito trivialises it super hard.
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>>22564248
You don't have to kill any of the retreating bosses in AP to beat the game. Beating Rival and Vindel is especially designed to be NG+ rewards since many people wouldn't try to kill units that strong but you can do it anyway. Training Akito isn't really a "fuck up" when his ace bonus is damn good if you want to get it.
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>>22564114
>>22564199
Finally got a good look at the attack lists after being busy all day, Double Burning Fire is only 600 power less and costs 20 less EN. I don't see that as "worse", just different. The range is a big deal, but if you're mainly using it for bosses...

Getter 1/G Solo are subject to a side effect of the database using the same weapons for multiple units. G1/G Solo are stuck with the same weapons with 2300 curves. It is amusing that Q just has a 3300 curve that makes it blast past the other Solos, but you also have to drop the full 15 level Special upgrades on weapons because that curve is backloaded.

>>22564238
I understand feeling that specific units are earmarked for retreat kills, but the question is, what kills are those? If those targets are say, Vindel and the Enemy Protagonist, yeah, those are New Game+ targets that are going to warp your priorities. There are many more valid targets for upgrading compared to before though. Especially since you can play through the game with No Upgrades without significant issues until around the time Grendizer joins up, when enemy bulk just gets absolutely stupidly ridiculous. If you're -optimizing-, yeah, these are probably your optimal targets.
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>>22564468
>Only 600 power less
Reminder that you shaved off 800 BP from Daimos across all of its attacks and people gave you a hard time over it until when they found out that you gave him Soul to compensate.
Anything over 300-400 depending on who you ask is a fairly significant gap in strength. Especially when that's the best Z's got and for Great its just filler. Grendizer already hits about as hard as DBF by itself too.
Its probably a good thing that you didn't let Duke have Valor so at least Kouji can claim that he does bossing better for a little while.

Also, Getter Q ties Getter 1 by the 4th upgrade bar and surpasses it from the 5th onwards. So basically 28k to tie and 40k to surpass.
With respect to Dragon, mine was already preupgraded prior to this post, but once I brought it up to the amount that I gave Dragon (10 bars), Q was the one leading in the non Shine Spark attacks.
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Any reason why X won't read my PS5 controller? Steam (big picture and games) recognize it and it works for them, but my alternatively acquired version of X doesn't. Which is weird since I used it before, not sure what changed.
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>>22564468
If you're talking about upgrade warping or just playing oddly, then I'd think about getting all of the UC guys on Stage 7 or shooting down Four/Rosamia on the Earth Route. Not to mention Geinichiro which is something that no one really does in the original game.
Rival/Vindel are knowledge checks. Once you know that they exist, many players are going to try to get them. Rival more so since the alternative Hero's Mark requires you to kill Puru.
Earth Route also has some pretty nasty retreating bosses with Bandock/Heinel at over 18k each when they took away almost all of your Valors.
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