How come Hizack doesn't get any love like any other grunts? Is it because it's a literal Zaku clone?
>>22740159>Is it because it's a literal Zaku clone?Yes. It's just an uglier Zaku. If you want a mono eyed Zeta grunt that's Zaku flavored but not just literally a Zaku most people will point to the Marasai, which is better than the Hizack in every way
It's the zaku but slightly more complicated in worse ways. The opposite of the MKII.
Hizack custom looks mildly better as it gets rid of a bunch of seemingly pointless fins and flaps on the backpack and legs, but the lower legs with the gigantic thruster pieces are still ugly.
>>22740190>>22740196>>22740212>hizack hater (subhuman) thinks he can convince people he's not the only sorry sod like that here
>>22740227tell us more
>>22740159i fucking LOVE Hizack! it's my favorite MS
hizack (red)
>>22740196>the opposite of the MKIIBrothers who took different paths and ended up at war with each other.
>>22740212but the fins and flaps are the best part
>>22740159That little piece in front of the monoeye makes it look happy
>>22740159It's actually Tomino's personal favorite MS.(That's why it cameo'd in Char's Counter Attack)He's expressed his love for it several times.
>>22740507Anywhere I can read about this? Sounds interesting. It also makes a lot of sense when you think about it, the Hizack is sort of a peculiar and very direct culmination of UC technology and politics.
>>22740159Don't worry, Hizack. I will always like you.
>>22740526I could find one pic so far.pretty sure this isn't the only time he mentioned hizack though.
>>22740579Still quite neat, thank you. I can get a bit more of it now, it seems like he enjoys the word joke of the MS family name being continued.
>>22740159How come the Hizack can't use two beam weapons at the same time when OYW suits like the Gelgoog could?
HIZACKHIZACKHES A TITANS MANIAC
Im not a huge fan of AOZ, but I do like how it turned the Hizack into a fucking beast
I like the EWAC Zack. Anyone else find it funny it's called the Hizack instead of the Hizaku?
>>22740687Forgot image.
Hizack is cool but how about Bizack
The town's would have won if they built the HiZock
>>22740662Generator was pushed to its limits so while it's functional enough it's on its last legs. It's like an old video game engine maxed out decades after it was released.
>>22740713It looks like G1 Megatron's inbred cousin.
>>22740732The tradeoff doesn't sound very effective considering the Hizack's lackluster performance. I'd rather use a Galbaldy.
>>22740662>How come the Hizack can't use two beam weapons at the same time when OYW suits like the Gelgoog could?Because the Hizack uses higher output beam weapons than the GM or Gelgoog.
>>22740662>>22740738I thought in the lore it was some kind of design flaw in the initial rollout of suits for the Titans that got fixed by the time it was adopted for general use by the EFF
>>22740671HE GOES TO- >A Side 6 Christmas: 9AM Sunday
>>22740662fuckup in the final stages of the development (depending on the source either by Anaheim or Federation), the reactor can in theory power beam weapons just fine but it's not designed with Hizack's unique hybrid field motor / fluid pulse drive system which means real power supply is below spec. Allegedly it was fixed near the end of UC 0087 (better late than never) and based on what info we have it's implied to be a relatively small-scale fix rather than complete refit of the reactor. Maybe some specific parts are changed or it's largely software-based.
>>22740736It's about cost effective measures more than anything. "Hey we have these things that are in high numbers, let's max out their performance before we settle on a total upgrade." Said total upgrade being eventually the Jegan.
>>22740159Hizack used to be uncool but now he is cool.
Back in vogue, simple as
>>22740866Is the Hizack part of the Jegan family tree? I thought the Hizack was basically a dead end
>>22740159What was the point of making the Hizack when the Galbaldy β exists?
>>22741037No, what he's saying is that the Hizack is old technology being pushed to its limits for money's sake until eventually being completely replaced by totally new-breed machines like the Jegan.
>>22741058I looked up the Galbaldy β and Hizack on Gundam wiki, the Galbaldy actually edges out the Hizack performance-wise, so it's quite the mystery.
>>22741077There’s no way
>>22740687In at least part I'd put it down to Gundam's English naming conventions for UC, and with it a lot of finalised terminology, not being 100% locked down until about the turn of the century. The Zaku was at one point romanized as 'Zak'.
>>22741058Most of these inconsistencies can be explained with "both the EFF and Anaheim are unbelievably corrupt"
>>22741149could be that, it's also plausable the Hizack was a first attempt that didn't work out as well as hoped. The Marasai was a remarkable improvement while still being cost-effective as a mass-produced mobile suit.
>>22741154Marasai so cool
>>22741157Is it though?
>>22741169What’s uncool about my favourite suit?
>>22741172It's just so... bland.It also feels real mistakeable for a Geara Doga from a distance.
>>22740662Aneheim. Need I say more?
>>22741184It's the Geara Doga's predecessor, isn't it?
>>22740746You can literally look up the specs. The Hizack basic beam rifle is much higher output than the GM and Gelgoog beam guns.
>>22741222Geara doga is developed from the late type zaku iii
>>22741222>>22741258Both are technically correct
>>22741058>>22741077>>22741149>>22741154I'm not quite sure if databooks substantiate all of the following, but my understanding was that from 0083-0086 the EFSF had to rebuild after the 0083 boondoggle AND the Titans were being built up at the same time, it was not possible to just build only GMs to satisfy the rearming needs of everyone in time, plus the existing GM Kai performed like shit during the 0083 conflict, so the Feds had to diversify and look into alternatives like captured Zeon factory lines and design data. As a stopgap, the Feds end up producing the Act Zaku and Galbaldy Beta, these represent the best of the older OYW-era stuff. Meanwhile the Feds are also still churning out GM IIs but also developing the Hizack as a sorta next-generation model that looks promising as a workhorse that won't break the bank but is reasonably advanced with panoramic cockpit and new beam rifle. All of these MS kinda perform similarly because the Feds are more concerned about ease of production than high performance, and a bunch of technology is currently in development just over the horizon but won't be ready for a few years, like gundarium gamma, movable frame, binders, etc. Rick Dias and Marasai would be some of the first MP units to incorporate those new technologies and they were a much bigger performance leap over existing units including the Hizack, than the Hizack was compared to the GM II.
>>22741037Hizack Backpack might haven been inspiration for the MK II backpack which would develop into the Jegan backpack.>>22741058>>22741077The Galbaldy beta was harder to pilot than the Hizack which is why it became the mainstay ms for both EF and Titans. The hizack is also a little faster and has better armor than the Galbaldy beta.>>22741172>>22741184>>22741222>>22741258The Geara Doga seems to be Anaheim's update to the Marasai. They probably swiped any tech they could implement cheaply off the Zaku III. Since it looks nothing like the Zaku III.
>>22741336Geara Doga is a mix of late Axis projects that were probably never built (Doga), Zaku III data and Marasai data thrown in when Anahaim took over development
>>22740159The angling makes it look like the Hizack has really happy eyes, ready to see the world
Hizack in cosplay
>>22740370The MG really is benching real bad on this.
>>22741336>The Geara Doga seems to be Anaheim's update to the Marasai. They probably swiped any tech they could implement cheaply off the Zaku III. Since it looks nothing like the Zaku III.The Zaku III was bleeding edge technology in UC 0088. One of the best suits that Axis could make during the timr. The Geara Doga was NOT the best suit Anaheim Electronics could make. It was basically AE saying: "What's a budget Zeon style suit we could make with modern technology for Char's rebellion ?" And don't even get me started on Geara Zulu. That was AE saying:"What's a ABSOLUTE CHEAPEST Zeon style suit we could make that uses modern technology?" AE wanted to supply Neo Zeon remnants with suits that had modern tech. But not make remnants too powerful.
>>22741336Except the Geara doga and zaku iii are the same height and the Marasai is 3 metres shorter than both
>>22741258It's amazing how much better the Zaku III looks without all the pointy bits
>>22742341the Zaku III was bleeding edge for the grunt style suits of the time...but it wasn't the bleeding edge of grunts made at the time, that would go to the Doven Wolf which is an insane MS to be mass produced, but they did it. The Zaku III in comparison is far more conservative and definitely styled much more different than the overgunned Doven Wolf
When I saw the hobby hizack I always imagined they used them for some kind of mobile suit wrestling or raced them, maybe something like roller derby. I have an idea for a diorama of a few hizacks painted like nascars with sponsor stickers racing across a finish line with a crowd in the bleachers behind them
>>22742354The zaku III is also about 11 tons heaviler than the marasai and about 20 more tons than the Geara Doga. Desipte the zaku III being made out of Gundarium. The Geara Doga also uses a shield that resembles the marasai one except it's a more practical design.>>22742341Zaku III and Geara Doga pretty much have the complete opposite in design philosophy. Geara Doga is bang for your buck while Zaku III is how much power can i buy.>>22742483I'm surprised they have never gone in depth about this sport the hobby hizack plays in.
I actually do wonder how efficient the Zaku successors are when stacked against each other. The Hizack is at the bottom and the Zaku IV is on top, but between that you have the Marasai, Zaku III, Geara Doga, and Geara Zulu. I hear the Zulu is actually worse than the Doga in some respects, which would make sense since the Sleeves are in bad shape
>>22742572The zaku iii’s shield is also two pieces on a hinge & I don’t think the handheld shield should count anyway because the Doga also has a shoulder mounted shield which doesn’t resemble either.
>>22742617The geara doga hand shield looks like someone saw the marasai's shield and went that shield would be better used on the forearm. The Zaku III shoulder shield looks like a modernized version of the zaku II style shoulder shield. Which the Geara Zulu for some reason disregards in favor of devolving back to the zaku II shield. I doubt the shoulder shields on either the doga or zaku III were expensive. Would probably cost more to make a new production line to make a limited run of classic shields than to just slap on existing ones.
>>22742617>>22742979
>>22740241Good fucking God, what is this fatsuit? Does AoZ do this with everything?
>>22742979That Marasai is very sexy
>>22741336>The Galbaldy beta was harder to pilot than the Hizack which is why it became the mainstay ms for both EF and Titans. The hizack is also a little faster and has better armor than the Galbaldy beta.When does armor even matter? Beams cut through whether or not its a simple steel alloy or Gundarium whatever. Unless you're in a mobile suit that costs like half a damn space fleet like The O or the ZZ, it doesn't do shit, and you're far better off with just using a shield with ABC.
>>22743468not everything has beams, especially when you're a suit designed to fight against Zeon remnants that often don't have the ability to field many beam weapons. Just look at the Delaz Fleet, it's all Rick Doms and Zakus while Cima Fleet has a whopping one unit with a beam gun.Also armor still helps against glancing hits that would otherwise be lethal or heavily damaging.
>>22743468Hizack comes from a time when the enemies of the Feds are still primarily using OYW leftovers and beams are still relatively uncommon weapons. It isn't until the Gryps conflict and Haman's invasion that the majority of enemies have beam weapons by default.
>>22743693Yeah people overestimate beams being instant kill rays. Even in Zeta you see Nemos getting winged by beams and surviving.
>>22740212>pointlessarms and legs are pointless too
>>22742980Idk why but I always found the pilot of the purple geara doga in cca to be the hottest character. something about her purple lipstick contrasting with her plain hairstyle and hair color.
>>22742980I could have saved Rezin Schynder.....
>>22744045Bullshit, how else are we supposed to land in space colonies and squash infantry?
>>22744045AMBAC, bitch
I wonder how the OYW suits stack up against Gryps or even Neo Zeon suits. The GMII is essentially a vanilla GM, and the Hizack isn't all that impressive compared to later OYW grunts but they're both the biggest parts of the Gryps armies (the GMII even pulls double duty)
Skirt gun vs sub arm for zaki iii,thoughts?
>>22744054>AMBAC
>>22742483Probably similar to hobbyist WW2 fighter planes
>>22744060Ah yes, a design decision that revolutionised mobile suits forever more
>>22743779That's because getting winged means they're getting hit in a non-vital area and the damage is not critical, but still results in the loss of the damaged part, but a shot to the torso means they're either dead or about to be, which is pretty much the case 99% of the time, which is why I think armor never helped much at any point aside from the start of 0079, where Zeon mobile suits were effectively shooting spitballs with their machine guns at the Gundam.
>>22744082you're forgetting that ballistic weapons were still quite common till like mid Zeta. And indeed, at no point is any Rick Dias or Nemo damaged by a machine gun.
>>22744082better armor in gundam is usually much lighter than lower quality armor which allows you to increase the amount of armor or be more nimble with similar protection to older armor.>>22744047>>22744048Rezin has an interesting design sadly she has no relevance and is their just to get swatted by psychoframe AA gun. She made an appearance in Zeta define but i have no hope for anything good from that. Since the writing is bad and comes off as AEUG propaganda.>>22744088UC engage has a hizack blow off a nemo's shoulder with a machine gun.
>>22740159It's either hated for not looking zaku enough or not being EF enough. So it gets bullied by both sides.
>>22741058>>22741077>>22741336Older menus used to call Galbaldy Beta and Interceptor MS and not just a "mass produced" MS. It was probably meant to be a specialized MS that became obsolete when TMS becomes the norm.
>>22744055In-universe it was said that Reccoa going out in that refurbished Gelgoog was considered suicide, but the Jaburo defense force weren't slouches and they weren't even operating the most high end OYW models. Machine guns are obsolete, but a bazooka will still fuck up whatever it his as long as it's not a shield.That said, while those Gouf flight types can pull off some useful hit-and-run style attacks to make the most of what they have, they still have disadvantages. Hiding behind a building might work against machine guns and bazookas, but a beam rifle would just punch through that cover like it wasn't there. Hovering was a really effective way of moving for just a few MS in the OYW, but technically most Zeta grunts can do that too.
>>22744127>Machine guns are obsoleteThe later the war goes on I can't imagine this remaining true. As suits begin to adapt more and more to beam weapons (namely by becoming more maneuverable) ballistic machine gun viability tapers out but remains relevant
>>22744143Eh, depends. As a mobile suit killing weapon, it has limitations. During Gryps war and 1st Neo Zeon war, it was common for the grunts of that era to have gundarium alpha or gamma armor, which should be resistant if not mostly immune to machine guns, but I guess you can still hit soft spots like cameras, joints, backpack nozzles, etc. Once you reach post UC0100 with the miniaturization concept that reduces armor to almost nothing then machine guns are definitely lethal again, but beam weapons still enjoy some qualify of life advantages over machine guns that need to be reloaded and have limitations under gravity.CCA having Geara Dogas getting eaten alive by even smaller calibre head vulcans and defensive AA turrets is a bit silly, they have titanium alloy which should make them better armored than some OYW MS, but I guess the armor must be really thin since the original GM also has titanium alloy armor but weighs twice as much if we go by the specs.
>>22743080>fatsuitThe fuck are you on about? That's just a normal Hizack with a feddie visor
>>22740159Why the hell did they bother with the Hi-Zack at all when the Act Zaku already exists?
>>22745794Hizack is developed from Act Zaku (among other things)
>>22741058Tooling and production lines that were already paid for and built by Zeon are free at this point thanks to the EFF capturing them. Anaheim also paperclipped most of the Zeon staff and were able to adapt them to federation tech cheaply. I’m assuming the Hi-Zack and Galbaldy Beta are basically stop-gap measures to replenish losses and free up GMs to other more crucial areas. It’s similar to how the German Air Force used a lot of former East German MIG-29’s for bit until they were sold off.
>>22745800From all accounts, the Hi-Zack seems like a cheaper and less capable version of the Act Zaku but I’m guessing that was part of the point.
>>22745809I mean, Act Zaku hinges on making magnetic coating viable for mass production and that's not only expensive but just excessive especially as tech advances. Zeta era machines only really use it for fast transformations, for example.Besides that it's built to Federation standards, keeps production lines and personnel active and is made for beating up inferior machines.
>>22741336I’m guessing the Marasai was the first true clean sheet design that wasn’t just using OYW tech and tooling. It makes sense for the Titans to fund its development for something that was more economical and modern than keeping the GM Quel fleet running.I feel like the Geara Doga was definitely based on the Marasai but stripped of its armor and heavier weapons in favor of making them cheap but modular for Char’s forces. I don’t imagine the production numbers are high here. If anything, a lot of the Geara Dogas and Geara Zulus are essentially hand built and assembled in clandestine locations similar to the Kampfer. Because the amount of pilots are few, they’re built around a highly skilled and dedicated user base rather sheer numbers.
>>22745809>less capableSubjective. Act Zaku was more of a high-performance machine, whereas the Hi-Zack prioritized versatility, cost-effectiveness, and ease of operation. Despite problems with its hybrid generator hindering use of beam weapons, the Hi-Zack could be refitted to fit a variety of combat roles and had more parts compatibility with other mobile suits of that era.
>>22745816I really wish we got actual production numbers for Mobile Suits in the lore sometimes.I like to imagine that every transformable MS is a maintenance nightmare that requires a lot of complex and sometimes exotic components just to keep running with some models needing specially trained crews.In the case of the Sleeves, keeping any of Haman’s old fleet running must’ve been an absolute pain in the ass. It probably took years of smuggling parts from Anaheim, fabricating whatever they could, and plain old theft of EFF warehouses just to have a couple battleworthy Bawoos and Doven Wolves.
>>22745830Which is funny because i assumed the Act Zaku was intended to utilize existing Zaku II production lines and upgrade them with as many Gelgoog parts as possible to keep costs down. Hell, the Galbaldy was just taking existing Gyan units and adapting to Gelgoog parts as well in order to keep the Zeon fleet more or less on par with each other in performance. By your logic, the Hi-Zack is an economy version of an economy version.
>>22745844Problem is that numbers in fiction, especially sci fi, are goddamn hard to do in a way that's reasonable.But for what it's worth there are some numbers at least, though it's questionable how accurate they are. For example Zaku IIs are said to be produced in the thousands with GMs not far behind, while Gelgoog ranges from around 200 to 800. Later GM II is said to reach 10000 and be the most produced unit (at least at the time). Gaza-Cs are IIRC around 300.All the random shit Sleeves had is as I understand from other remnant groups joining up into a united faction. So the Bawoos and Doven Wolves and such either never made it into the battle during Haman's war or survived it and escaped the Federation at the end. By UC 0096 they're probably running on fumes barring the odd lucky scavenging or bone thrown by Anaheim which has the data for them.>>22745862I don't believe that was Act Zaku's idea, it is it's own separate model just inheriting Zaku's design. Different model number and everything. Besides, FZ was already there at the same time to modernize existing Zaku units.Galbaldy isn't using existing Gyan units (these were almost certainly in single digits), it's using Gyan production lines together with Gelgoog data and some parts for a fusion of them as a potential successor machine.
>>22745875The late model Zeon machines were all basically rationalizing the production lines into roughly equitable performance numbers under the UMP but I’m guessing the mobile armor programs got the bulk of immediate funding and resources thanks to political meddling. The Zaku II Kai felt like a stop gap measure to keep existing Zakus relevant while the Act Zaku got off the ground and while the Gelgoog could start producing greater numbers. I’m sure the Principality was probably more strained in regards to pilots and training as well as having their support crews basically scrambling to adapt to three or four different platforms at once and somehow keep logistics from imploding. I would assume actual production numbers may not reflect OPERATIONAL units but ones that are essentially assembled but untested or in the process of complete assembly but may have been delayed due to factory defects, errors, or may be awaiting parts. I assume all Mobile Suit maintenance teams are prone to cannabalizing. Something like the Zudah was trotted out just to absorb stocks of defective or obsolete Zaku I or even Dom parts in order to keep up appearances of numerical and technological superiority The Galbaldy was probably intended as a companion piece similar to how the Gyan was intended to work alongside the Rick Dom. When the Gelgoog proved more versatile, Zimmad probably was forced to integrate components in order to put the Gyan lines to use in order to justify the development costs.
>>22744055Seems like they're doing pretty good to me
>>22745794They should compromise and make an Act Hizack.
>>22745816I'm pretty sure Mark mentioned once on mechatalk that magnet coating just became an industry standard after a certain point, which is why it's never referenced again after Zeta.
>>22747507They did. It's in UC Engage >>22745830
>>22747489Is this the only time we see a visor suit killing another visor suit?
>>22744210>it was common for the grunts of that era to have gundarium alpha or gamma armor, That doesnt matter when you make your armor paper thin to save weight. After the OYW, they made armor thin as way to make the suit more agile to avoid getting hit by beams. Consequently, machine guns and physical weapons became somewhat viable again. Not to mention machine guns and ballistics also saw improvements after the OYW to help counter new armor materials.
because the marasai exists
>>22740159The HiZack is at its best aesthetically when it's either fresh off the production line bumping shoulders with relatively obscure high-end OYW suits or decrepit in EFF colors defending some backwater
>>22749412actually, it's at its best working together with its estranged papa
>>22749496Or providing backpack support for Uncle Gelgoog
Family fued
>>22748630Outside of the Hizack and Xeku, What Zeta-era grunts even have machine guns as a option for primary weapon?
>>22750100GM II, Nemo, GM III, Galluss-J
>>22742483Anaheim Journal goes into detail about Petit MS racing. Apparently them running on foot through colony courses is a big spectator sport.
Who’s getting the custom & who’s waiting for the Regular AOZ Hizack
>>22745844>I like to imagine that every transformable MS is a maintenance nightmare that requires a lot of complex and sometimes exotic components just to keep running with some models needing specially trained crews. >In the case of the Sleeves, keeping any of Haman’s old fleet running must’ve been an absolute pain in the ass. It probably took years of smuggling parts from Anaheim, fabricating whatever they could, and plain old theft of EFF warehouses just to have a couple battleworthy Bawoos and Doven Wolves.When you are a tiny group like the Sleeves, then It simply becomes a question of resources VS effectiveness. Do you resources keeping an older ZZ era suit like the Bawoo running? Or for the same amount of resources spent, you could get 3 non-transforming Mobile Suits like Geara Zulus used instead.There's also politics involved too. Maybe that Bawoo pilot is an ace who loves his Bawoo. Maybe he's a Commander with a lot of political power within the group and demands special treatment.It's not always clear cut.
>>22750296>>22750306Sex.
Actually, did any of the Gryps grunts show up in ZZ? I can't remember seeing the Hi Zach, Nemo, or Marasai in ZZ. Neo Zeon had all those fancy new toys and the EFF primarily used GMIIIs
>>22750306More like who's not getting both.
>>22750318Yeah, a single Doven Wolf is easily worth more than a squad of Geara Zulus but is it worth the effort to maintain that Doven when it's probably cheaper and easier to just arm that squad
>>22750350>Yeah, a single Doven Wolf is easily worth more than a squad of Geara ZulusNot necessarily. A Doven Wolf can only be in one location. But a squad of 15 Geara Zulus (full squad size) can be in multiple locations at once, and can be doing different things.I would take the Zulu squad most of the time over a single Doven Wolf. The DW is probably only better when it comes to beam spam. I would also imagine the Doven Wolf would be extremely maintenance heavy. It's essentially a luxury item. Imagine being the mobile suit maintenance technician who has to check every single individual Doven Wolf beam emitter after every battle, and do maintenance on each one after every mission.Meanwhile your Geara Zulu maintenance co-workers can just swap out beam rifles with fresh ones. Their maintenance is done 90% faster than yours.
>>22750318As another anon pointed out. Most of the Sleeves mobile suit fleet was made up of whatever the hell a particular insurgent cell managed to acquire. I imagine the ZZ era machines are leagues better than a Geara Zulu squad but the trade off is resource consumption. My particular headcanon is that Anaheim largely builds these Zeon machines in separate pieces at separate factories. That way, if they might be audited by the Federation, they can claim the parts are for rejected prototypes or spares. Smugglers take over from here and bring the parts to colonies and bases where they’re assembled and customized. This might even be done on something like the Garancieres rather frequently. While this makes intercepting and stopping MS production difficult for the EFF/Londo Bell, it’s also incredibly inefficient and logistically challenging compared to having your own factory. While the Geara Zulus are ostensibly cheaper than the Doven Wolf, they’re not by any means disposable considering the complexity of even acquiring them.
>>22750413I guarantee that a lot of the beam emitters on the Sleeves hand me down Doven Wolves are probably not working right and it’s a real battle just get enough of the features to work. Consider that even Axis forces thought this thing was over-engineered and over-complicated. Yet they still turned down the Zaku III.
>>22750344GM III probably could utilize existing parts stockpiles until a clean sheet design could be produced. AEUG at this point was still separate from the Federation, so they probably weren’t sharing much with their former enemies.It wasn’t until the Jegan that the EFF finally had something both economical and effective.
>>22750306I'll dip for it. Would've preferred EFF colors but that gun is pure sex. Also hoping for a HG BigWig or Vanargand.
>>22750428>Yet they still turned down the Zaku III.I think this was a political decision more than a Military decision.
>>22750419I think you are forgetting that Doven Wolf suits are rare in UC 0096. Even if there was a large batch of them made in 0086, many were probably destroyed in the Zeon Civil War, confiscated by Federation, scrapped, lost, or just dismantled for spare parts to keep other Doven Wolves running.I think you are also underestimating Geara Zulus. They may be budget Zeon grunt suits, but they are still roughly equivalent to the latest Jegan used by the Federation. Anaheim makes sure that whatever latest tech is used in the Jegan also leaks into the Geara Zulus. Plus Geara Zulus can use different backpacks and equipment. Doven Wolf wasn't designed for that.A Doven Wolf is like a 1980s Ferrari. Older, powerful, but very maintenance heavy and costly. SPSpare Parts are rare and hard to come by now. Even during the 1980s it was expensive and costly. It's only gotten worse as time went on. A Geara Zulu is like having a 2020 Toyota Corolla car. A modern budget car, easy to maintain, powerful enough, latest features, and very affordable.I'm sure the Doven Wolf has its special use cases, but the Geara Zulus make much mroe sense as a daily driver. Something to use for daily operations and patrol.
>>22750514>A Geara Zulu is like having a 2020 Toyota Corolla carI know you mean this as a compliment in terms of efficiency but this still feels like an insult to the poor Zulu
>>22750577Not that anon, but Zulu feels like an insult to Geara Doga and Zaku III
>>22750742Zulu is an improved version of Doga.
>>22750922Zulu is a stripped down disgraceful version of the Doga.
>>22750922Gear Zoomu
>>22750306bothwhen the EU store stops being a disgrace, that is
I just think they're neat
>>22754618Would look even better if the hizack had a gm rifle to go with his gm shield.
>>22754716Agreed, total missed opportunity
>>22754728>xeku eins clay bazooka>beam rifle with Mk-II-type E-Pacabsolutely excellent taste
>>22754618>>22754728>>22754781I'm digging this, especially the bazooka.
>>22744127>In-universe it was said that Reccoa going out in that refurbished Gelgoog was considered suicideYeah I don't believe whoever said that because the AEUG and the Titans field GMIIs which are basically vanilla GMs, there's no way the Gelgoog is that below par
>>22755093>GMIIs which are basically vanilla GMswrong
>>22754728Looks good but it loses the hizacks unique silhouette when you removed the binders and change the arm design.>>22755093GM II 79R is probably like a muscle car with a modern engine it might be fast but it's still limited by it's original design. Which is probably why we still see Customs and Quels hanging around. I wounder if anyone will ever show if their was a performance difference between the GM II 79R and the GM II 179
>>22754728It needs a visor and a side antenna, then it’ll be perfect
>>22741579I was gonna get the MG for cheap somewhere recently, is it really that botched?
>>22749496>>22749860odly wholesome
>>22750344Yes for Hizack and Marasai, and even Barzam and Asshimar... in the hands of Neo Zeon.
>>22750306>>22759274It’s gonna look so good bros
>>22759269It good but simple. Only issue i've had so far is some odd nub placements and the rubber pipes being odd to work with compared to the plastic ones on the later MG Marasai ones.>>22764123Always found it odd how the AEUG was able to stay only only GM II and later nemo while while the titans and neo zeon grabbed what ever they could get.
>>22764304AEUG had a bunch of Hyaku Shiki, Nemo, and other variant MS in the works for future MP MS but they were smaller and less well-funded than the Titans so they couldn't have as many projects going on, and the ones they did greenlight usually met unfortunate ends.
>>22764458Was mostly referring to how the AEUG isn't shown to have any notable number of hizacks or galbaldy betas (other off the shelf ms) in their ranks. It sorta indicates that the only people who defect to the AEUG had GM IIs. Which also indicates the supply they raided form EF/Titans was also GM II supplies. Being picky with weapons feel like something the AEUG wouldn't be able to afford.
>>22764458>>22764507AEUG only gets whatever Anaheim Electronics feels like giving them. Usually it's a bunch of experimental leftover prototypes that AE had sitting storage. Even then, AE loves to complain about "how much money they are spending" on AEUG. They send Wong to complain to Quattro that the Hyaku Shiki isn't cheap. Even though the Hyaku Shiki was built long beforehand and was just a failed project AE had sitting around. Wong still pretended Hyaku Shiki was custom made for Quattro and AEUG should be grateful.
>>22742341>AE wanted to supply Neo Zeon remnants with suits that had modern tech. But not make remnants too powerful.That said, they do need to make them powerful enough so the Feds buy from them. And the Guard Types allegedly cheaped out much less and were actually decent or close to the design. I guess it also says how good Zaku III and Doven Wolfs are that they're still above average years later.
I find it weird that Titan's Hizack colour is green while Federation's Hizack colour is dark blue
>>22765367Nothing was actually Titans colours in zeta. The closest thing was the Barzam
>>22765150Can that suit turn its head? The shoulder pauldrons seem to get in the way.
>>22750514>>22750577You could compare the Zulu to that turbocharged Yaris. It would never have the raw performance of the 80s Ferrari, but it wouldn't have all it's problems, either.But then that Yaris absolutely blows that Ferrari out of the water in acceleration. And probably cornering, too. Nevermind.
>>22765374the mk2?
>>22764123I can't believe the return of Zeon storyline was wasted on such a mediocre show like ZZ Gundam. All those designs and continuing plots the ZZ anime inherited from MSG and Zeta were completely wasted.
>>22765367It kinda makes sense when Titans are supposed to be the dedicated remnant hunting taskforce, and the idea is psychological impact of "their own" mobile suits being at the forefront of operations against them.Likewise blue for regular Hizacks has the opposite effect - making sure friendlies don't confuse you for a remnant Zaku.
>>22765376Mono eyes typically can't turn their heads
>>22765794???Zakus turn their heads though
>>22740866>visor head god's innate superiority over monoeye nerdlove to see it
>>22766923>visor head god's innate superiority over monoeye nerd
Something i noticed after i started posing my recently finished MG Hizack. Is that its shield is a lot more user friendly even if it sacrifices a greater area of protection. When i pose my mg hazel custom in a similar manner the shield length becomes an issue. Since it results in it looking a bit clumsy and unnatural. When compared to the Hizack pulling off a similar pose
>>22768978Wasn't that machine penetrated to death?
>>22765374I believe I read something around the time of Zeta that the Titans were actually trying to get away from dark colored MS because they were harder to see in the void of space which made rescues harder. I could also be making this up so take it with a grain of salt. The Barzam being titans colors is likely a hold over from being derived from the MkII
For me it's the Advanced variants.
>>22740159i got into gundam a while ago and finished watching the original series and started watching zeta few days ago and i kinda like the hizack (but then again there arent that many suits that i dont like) its hg also looks kinda good but at the same time the plastic looks kinda cheap so i definitely have to buy an airbrush and paints before even thinking about buying it
>>22776292It was one of the best machines of its time even if it got Kamiled.
>>22778156She-rocco can absolutely get it
>>22772718You have to remember that the Hizack was designed in peacetime for "policing duties". It was designed to fight off any old Zeon Remnants using OYW era suits, and potentially them stealing Federation surplus suits in storage like the GM II. It's not designed to fight at all our war. That means a lot of the designs using less expensive materials and compromises because the idea is that anything else is overkill for its job of fighting old era suits. That's why the shield is smaller since it doesn't need a giant tower shield with lots of anti-beam coating. It's also why it doesn't have all the crazy weapons of later Zeta and ZZ era suits. The flip side is because the Hizack is so budget friendly that it allowed the Titans to order a ton of them for their forces.An analogy is that the Hizack is like your local police officer or sheriff. 99% of the time he doesn't need full body armor, bulletproof helmet, gas mask, and heavy weapons. He's not a soldier fighting a world war in the middle east or Europe. A simple police uniform, pistol, and bullet proof vest is enough for almost all his daily duties.The shield is smaller, budget friendly, but still functional.
>>22782820I was mostly just complementing the compactness of the shield. I feel like the classic EF shield seen on the GM series are sometimes too big for the job. It seems someone in/out of universe thought so for bit since the GM variant reshape the shield and the nemo has a more handy thinner shield. The MK II also adopted a collapsible shield which gives it the option of both worlds. Though the Jegan goes back to the a similar length as the og EF shield. Not sure it it has to do with the Jegan's rifle design having ease of use with one hand and its short ranged rapid fire nature.
>>22782961>The MK II also adopted a collapsible shield which gives it the option of both worlds. Though the Jegan goes back to the a similar length as the og EF shield.The EF are cheapskates. Collapsible shield raises the cost of the shield. EF is like "nope. Too expensive. Give us normal shield. Thanks"
>>22782961>I feel like the classic EF shield seen on the GM series are sometimes too big for the jobIt adds mass for shield throw attacks that Amuro popularized.
>>22768978he looks like he fucks visor head's gf!
>>22750457My fuck I need BIG WIG.
>>22778061I have the HGUC. It's ooolllld. Seam lines need work and yeah. It's going to need some paint.
>>22783106Maybe he saw the preview for the AOZ version.
>>22740159The HG Hizack is one of my least favorite kits in terms of appearance and build experience.
>>22784991Will you give a chance for the new one?
>>22785076NTA but there's a new one?
>>22785134Not yet.https://www.gundamkitscollection.com/2024/03/p-bandai-hguc-1144-hizack-custom-aoz-re.html
The whole idea of the Titans using Zeon based mobile suits is stupid (yeah I Know, Anaheim engineers blah blah blah), I think it's boring to get mono-eye bad guys AGAIN when we had the chance for EVIL GMs which I think are cool as fuck.
>>22785435My only logical thought process was that the Titans were spending SO much money that even with their enormous budget, the Titans needed to find a way to save some money because they were over budget. So instead of mass producing a new Generation of GMs yet again, the Titans decided it would be cheaper and more affordable to buy from a third party company. Anaheim Electronics cut them a good deal with the Hizack. The suit was "good enough", better than the GM Quel, and so the Titans went for it. Budget problems solved. And they figured 6 years after the war ended, people wouldnt care anymore about brand or appearances. The same way the United States of America bought Japanese cars after World War 2. The people didn't hold a grudge for 50 years. Nope. A mere 10 years after the WW2 ended, the Japanese started selling cars in the USA. No one cared enough to stop it.
>>22785848Why would anyone want to stop business? You a commie?
>>22785848If you go by AoZ then GM production is still running but the Hizack is being approved because they can't produce enough replacement MS to satisfy everyone, which is why they're also putting enemy MS designs into use like the Act Zaku and Galbaldy Beta, being built from captured Zeon factory lines.Titans were expanding their forces and occasionally bullied local Feddy units into assisting them to help with lack of manpower. They even provided mobile suits for them but since regular Feds couldn't be seen using Titans-exclusive equipment lest there be some kind of misunderstanding, you have silly things like GM Quels being repainted in regular EFF colors so the commoners don't get any ideas about actually being entitled to a higher rank or fancy colors while assisting the Titans.
