If Mineva wants peace so much, shin didn’t she abdicate her throne? Maybe if Zeon wasn’t ruled by someone who presided over a colony drop the tensions wouldn’t be as high. Does she just hold on to power because she’s selfish?
>>22760655Maybe if someone just revealed himself as Casval Rem Deikun, married Haman, and ruled Zeon after the OYW then maybe things would have been better, and would have had less wars.
>>22760659Haman would have been like 12 then
>>22760674not exactly a winning argument there
>>22760677In that case marry Mineva
>>22760674Formally, he could also have adopted her as his daughter, since she was orphaned. The fleet admiral that was her father died during the tail-end of the OYW. Bringing her in that way to unite the families would also have been an option.
>>22760655Because the problem isn’t that the Federation keeps attacking Zeon, it’s that Zeon keeps attacking the Federation. If she resigned her position it would just make things worse since the people who wanted war would be able to attack openly instead of needing to maintain plausible deniability they’re not defying their monarch.
>>22760659Char liked having wars, though, even if he pretended it was for the environment or something
>>22760677while we're shitposting...
>>22763163If he married Haman he would still be at war with her constantly so its a wash.Char wanting a mommy gf and love from a good woman is such bullshit. Dude has oneitis for Lalah and then he expects all this unconditional love in return without giving back diddly squat.
>>22760655Because if she doesn't keep the retards in Side 3 from shooting at the Federation, nobody else would.
>>22760655More importantly, who gets to marry her and get her pregnant? The Zabi bloodline must continue if Zeon is to keep existing as its own political entity.
>>22764382A group of large men take turns raping her every 4 to 6 years.
>>22764382Banana obviously, that's the only reason she keeps him around
>>22764848Not possible due to his Sora Domo.
Minerva's greatest mistake was not sitting on my lap 24/7
>>22760659Char ruling Zeon after the OYW might have prevented Operation Stardust, but would have to have a civil war with the Zabi Loyalists and pro war faction of Zeon.
>>22760655Despite the best efforts of multiple Zeon uprisings and Neo-Zeon wars, there are still a considerable number of Zabi-following fanatics. To them, she is the 100% legitimate leader of humanity. If she steps down, such people will either fall under the sway of those seeking yet another Neo-Zeon war, or otherwise do something blindingly stupid (which they are well capable of, seeing as they are still clinging to the Zabi family as a symbol after decades of abject failure and death).By staying in position, she also acts as a check against other political factions who'd love to seize power in the Republic of Zeon for themselves.
>>22765116With how fanatic Zeon movements are it's pretty unbelievable that only like 4 years after Unicorn Zeon can be absorbed into the EF and they basically just stay completely quiet until Mars Zeon starts making trouble, and they're not even related to any of the Neo Zeon movements.Tomino really should've set F91 like 100 years after CCA rather than 30.
>>22765116If there are that many of those people, then she’s missing an opportunity. Instead of sitting in her throne and holding court with the same politicians who are plotting against her, she could be making her case to the people directly and undermining her enemies’ support. Turning the public against them would probably be more effective than politely asking them to stop.
>>22765143That's because the Zeon remnants got little to nothing to do with the Side 3 government, unless you happen to be a certain particular Sleeves faction.
>>22766617The problem with that is that spacenoids see the Zabis as -the- symbol of anti-Federation sentiment. They follow Mineva not because she's a smart leader or someone who looks out for the best interests of her followers, but because she's literally the current living Zabi heir. If Mineva makes any concessions and calls for peace, then she is the one who loses support, not the politicians plotting against the Federation.I mean, look at Delaz. He doesn't give a shit about the current Side 3 government and denounces them as traitors, and refuses to believe the war is over.
>>22766625>The problem with that is that spacenoids see the Zabis as -the- symbol of anti-Federation sentimentIf I were a conspiracy theorist in UC, I would argue the Zabis were planted by the Feds to hijack the entire Spacenoid independence movement and centre it around their dumbass backstabbing family. UC is fortunate that Mineva turned out alright, given her blood family and the Zeon psychos she had raising her.
>>22766625If she only has popular support as long as she doesn’t call for peace and the elites don’t support her agenda at all, how does being monarch actually benefit Mineva’s political goals? What does she get out the whole thing (other than a very opulent lifestyle, which I don’t think we’re supposed to assume is a motivation for her).Also, why would the ministers pretend to be loyal to Mineva if she didn’t have the ability to influence the public against them? She knows they’re behind the Sleeves, and they know she knows. She can’t get rid of them, so why bother faking obedience at court if they lose nothing from openly opposing her?
>>22760655Yes, but also spacenoids are retarded and absolutely NEED a dictator/monarch/figurehead to gather around despite their authority and duties being left unclear.
>>22767118It’s not usually unclear, they tend to neatly slot into “absolute dictator” or “powerless figurehead”. Mineva as an adult is the only one that’s confusing because of the mixed messages we get about it.
>>22760655>That faceLooks like Dozle's genes are starting to kick in.
>>22767189It’s just Korean animators being Korean
>>22766809>>22767158It’s not even really confusing, it’s just complicated and poorly explained. The trick is that Zeon basically has two overlapping but separate governing bodies.The first is the Republic of Zeon. It’s the one the Federation considers legitimate and has elected leaders who directly set policy. Mineva has no authority in this.The second is the royal court. It has no Federation recognition or direct ability to effect policy, but the people of Zeon consider it to be their legitimate government. Mineva is the monarch has absolute authority here.The key is that the relationship here is symbiotic. The elected leaders need to maintain Mineva’s favor in order to keep the support of the people who vote for them. At the same time, Mineva relies on presence of the Republic’s leaders at her court to be able to use her influence to affect any actual change. It’s a sort of prisoner’s dilemma situation where either side openly acting against the other screws up everything for everyone. And that’s why Mineva and the Republic leaders act polite to each other while sending shady paramilitary groups to fight for them.Doesn’t explain why the Federation treats her like royalty too, though. They would probably gain the most from the whole thing falling apart.
>>22767191Thanks for bringing this back up the board.
>>22767258It was at like Page 2
>>22767267Good, keep it up.
>>22764935Go away Riddhe
>>22761011>Start a war>Kill billions>Lose >Seethe the other side didn't let you kill billions Space really does make you retarded.
>>22767657The fundamentally dilemma of Zeon is whether to follow your desire to randomly kill billions or your desire to do everything a 17 year-old girl tells you
>>22767689You don't understand man, spacenoid pussy just hits different.
Mineva is selfish because she let Banana have all her pussy and left none for me
>>22764897Why do you think his demo is sore, it’s from all the newtype sex
>>22760655Maybe if post OYW gundam wasn't retarded. It would make sense.
>>22769706If you only understood Zabi vaginal canals.
>>22765143I’m pretty sure Tomino wasn’t accounting for Unicorn given that it didn’t exist yet
>>22769958Unicorn does introduce it's own share of problems, but even if we assume all we had are the Tomino stories, it still stretches credulity that the movement would be basically defunct in just 30 years. You're talking about a movement that came back with widespread support twice just within his stories and their go-to plan is usually "drop big thing on Earth and kill billions".In real life we have holdouts from comparatively much smaller scale conflicts that happened the better part of a century ago.
>>22770123Well you have to differentiate between the spacenoid citizens who talk about wanting independence and the actual OYW vets who are nearing ~60 years old by the time of F91.In real life there aren't entire missing army divisions from WWII suddenly jumping out of hiding after 10 or 15 years and then invading Poland again, it's more like a bunch of retarded people waving their flag of choice and spouting all kinds of nonsense but not actually having the balls to take up arms or anything
Did you know children raised by single mothers are more likely to become teen parents? I suspect Banagher and Audrey to have two or three little Zams running around by now.
>>22770544Androgynous defined.
>>22760734Yeah but then they couldn’t have had sex
>>22771712Yeah she’s like 8Unless you mean Haman in which case the fuck are you smoking
>>22764935Mineva’s greatest mistake was not sitting on Haman’s lap 24/7 and preventing her from being able to do the colony drop because she couldn’t stand up
Why are they so cute? Like I get it she gaslit the kid and its not adorable at all, but I feel like they have a really cute relationship.
>>22778848I mean, in all versions of the story Haman treated Mineva well and cared a lot about her. Using her position for her political gain was shitty but the actual treatment of Mineva was good, it seemed.
>>22760655Because they need her for the "Mineva's War " movie they got in the pipe.
>>22760655She doesn't "want peace". She wants a future where the majority of the human population (spacenoids) are not bureaucratically screwed out of representation.
>>22764382Def the banana
>>22770123>>22770156Zeon's ideology requires a strong federation which more or less doesn't exist post CCA. With no Feddie oppressors, there's no need for Zeon. Cosmo Babylonia and Zanscare both obviate and likely absorb the prior Zeon sympathies.
>>22765143F91 definitely needs some retconning. I hope after Hathaway is done we can get some movies that bridge that gap a bit better.
>>22770156No, but you have whole counties created after WW2 who would regularly pop off every 5 to 10 yrs. Although the conflicts would stay relatively local to their region.Plenty of WW2 vets would go on to die in Vietnam for example.
>>22778848>>22778982Was it even shitty treatment? All the complaints were from the body double. The real Mineva never seemed to have any doubts about her role as monarch, and viewed Haman as a loyal servant and advisor. Obviously Haman was using her as an excuse to do bad things, but Mineva wasn’t directly involved in any of that, she just got to live in luxury and have everyone bow down to her. It’s a pretty good position to be in.
>>22763182Not even what it says in the original.
>>22779234What parts need retconning? It fits fine
>>22766618Narrative shows that to not be true
>>22779234>I hope after Hathaway is doneis hathaway not dead? it's been three years and we haven't heard shit about the next movie.
>>22782921They’re still working on it, it just got screwed up by covid
As the biggest Zabi why didn’t Dozle just eat the others
>>22785034He was too dumb to do so.
>>22785957Then as the second biggest Zabi why didn’t Degwin eat the others
>>22764382Maybe that kid from Moon Moon colony who piloted the Moon Gundam, forgot his name. He's around the same age as Mineva, and they had some newtype connection to each other.
>>22767657It's not even a space thing. Humans really are this retarded in real life. That's why Elon Musk is going to incite more riots because he knows how to take advantage of the stupidest monkeys in society's cage.
>>22789257IRL they’re not retarded enough to force world leaders to grovel before teenage girls if they want to keep their positions
>>22789250He’s probably going to die or ascend to newtype heaven
Because Mineva is the best and purest possible leader and people should feel lucky to exist in the same universe as her
If Mineva wants penis so much why didn’t she sit on my bone
>>22760655She just wanted peace, freedom, justice and security in her empire.
>>22765143I think you'll just eventually see Neo Zeon uprisings denying the legitimacy of the Zeon republic integrated into the Federation. It's not like there's anything in F91 or Victory making that impossible.
>>22794592That’s Lacus. Mineva is much more of a Padme in that she acts very indignant and regal while completely failing to solve problems through diplomacy and ultimately getting bailed out by someone else every time.
>>22794626And didn't her revealing the Laplace Box actually make thing worse in UC? At least it did SRW 30.
>>22794647That was part of this the game tied Narrative in with Code Geass, I don’t think it’s supposed to be a thing in the actual UC.That being said, making a big fancy speech that just ends up making everything worse is also very Padme.
>>22782841Supposedly those guys in Narrative are actually Republic of Zeon troops that captured/salvaged the leftovers of Full Frontal's forces who got wiped out the year before and pretend to be Sleeves in order to act autonomously or someshit like that. It's stupid and messy writing though.>>22794613Delaz already denounced the Republic of Zeon during 0083 as traitors
>>22794958Weren’t the Sleeves themselves just Republic troops operating under plausible deniability though?
>>22795826Full Frontal's Sleeves in 0096 were mainly using the leftovers of Char's Neo Zeon from 0093. They even had the Rewloola flagship and Quess' Jagd Doga that was repaired with Geara Doga parts. That said, they also seemed to have other stuff like a bunch of suits from the ZZ era.
>>22796657So were the Narrative sleeves though. Their ship was a OYW relic.
>>22794945Mineva wasn't manipulated though, she just does it naturally
>>22760655Man, I fucking hate everything after 0079.
>>22800373Chronologically?
>>22760655>abdicate throne>some other psycho warmonger like FF takes it>another asinine war is started that just gets more spacenoids killedgreat plan.
>>22805117Nobody else can take it, she’s the last Zabi heir
How would she help anything if she abdicates?Are you retarded?Like what would abdication even do? Make her a more vulnerable target for kidnapping and ransom?
>>22805371As Glemy demonstrates, any moron can claim they're a secret Zabi heir if they have political clout, lie hard enough and no one contests it
>>22805481Wouldn’t abdicating remove any reason to kidnap and ransom her? She’d just be a random teenager then.
>>22805371>>22805829Realistically why would anyone give a fuck about zabi heirs? It's not like they are a long-reigning dynasty with a string of successes. They are literally a one-generation ruling family that lost the war so people wouldn't care about their heirs.
>>22807083People will cling onto anything that they feel that is symbolic to their cause or has a smidge of legitimacy regardless of what actual value it has in reality or to other people. I mean, people today are still salty as fuck about losing a war in 1865. Being asspained about losing the war (~160 years ago) has lasted 40 times longer than the war itself (~4 years)
>>22807083People get crazy about the kids of US presidents and those don’t even inherit
>>22760677>Char is into young girls>The younger Girl is 16 year old >While he was still 20
>>22807083Same reason they’d give a fuck about the Zabis originally
>>22809343A small child doesn't seize power on her own she is being used as a figurehead whereas the initial family took power for themselves. The thing with it is their dynasty was not long-lasting or successful. It would be like if North Korea just utterly lost the Korean war and a shitton of people were championing Kim Jong Un after.
Why is he like this?
>>22809354Yeah, she was being used as a figurehead by Haman. Axis existed in its own for like ten years. If anything it’s kind of like Taiwan and how they insist they’re the real China, except if the PRC also acted like they were the real China.
>>22809667Mommy issues
>>22809667Daddy issues
>>22779232If that was true it wouldn’t have been able to exist in ZZ
>>22817980WHy not?
>>22789257Shut up, retard.
>>22809667>Listening to Garma cursing himYOU CRAVEN TRAITOR!!!
>>22807936Still counts unless Zeon has weird age if consent laws
How was Neo Zeon ran by TWO child fuckers?
>>22823454They have a typeWhich also means Mineva needs to start looking for someone younger
>>22809667It should say:>1v1 Me AmuroInstead.
>>22819399Because the feds were weak losers who kept rolling over for Haman
>>22790701I want to be him so badly now!
>>22781169>What parts need retconning?All of it. Chronolocally starting at the later acts of the Hathaway story.
>>22823458Like Uso Ewin's granddad?
>>22760674Didn’t stop Dozle
>>22826946Why
>>22760655I need spacenoid pussy so bad bros! Why can't this be real?
>>22765143>it's pretty unbelievable that only like 4 years after Unicorn Zeon can be absorbed into the EFWhy?In Europe, World War 2 ended in 1945 with the capitalization of Germany. And already in 1950 the six founding members of the institutions of the EU, among which West-Germany, collectively decided to sign the Treaty of Paris which would lead into the establishing of the European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) and dovetail in the creation of the EU.That was just a scant 5 years a well.
>>22827848>>22765143 meant that Zeon threw away its independence in UC 0100. Which made every struggle against how the Earth Federation does things incredibly pointless.
>>22828736Well that’s at least partially because their monarch was actively working to make sure that happened. Which answers the original question of the thread; if Mineva stepped down then there’s almost no way the republic’s government would willingly choose to give up their autonomy, It’s something that can only work if it’s done by a monarch.
>>22807135>I mean, people today are still salty as fuck about losing a war in 1865haha yeah, imagine that
>>22831693Austrohungarians were a menace to the human race, and I for one am glad that their shitty little empire got eradicated after the great war.
>>22828736Again, we need to point out that all of the Zeon remnants aren't fighting for Side 3, they don't care about that country. They're fighting mainly for the Zabis or to resist the Feds. They don't really give a shit if Side 3 goes back to the Federation or not, and F90 shows that tiny pockets of Zeon remnants and Mars Zeon are still fighting into the UC 110-120s.
>>22827802You're either a Spacenoid with multiple red flags mental problems worth fighting for or an Earthnoid tomboy muscle woman mechanic who's older than you kinda guy, there are no inbetweens.
>>22831733I just can't understand why Elon can't hurry the fuck up and give me my Martian Catgirl Newtype GF already.
>>22831882he's too busy calling people woke on twitter
>>22831903A shame the future of our species is wasted on retards like him. This tard, on the other hand... Let's just say I wanna plug her funnel if you know what I mean After marriage, of course.
>>22832069I've never heard of the After Marriage continuity.
Imagine this bitch having the balls to tell Mineva to wait until marriage.
>>22832323That what would just make Haman more based than she already is.
>>22832323She was a virgin until she died
UNIIIIIIIIIIICOORRRRRRRRRN
Just wanted to say that as a Char head, anyone insulting him in this thread is wrong and federation scum.
What happened to Mineva’s handmaidens/advisors? They just kind of vanish after Zeta
>>22833885Char is only retarded insofar as becoming a Haman simp. Prior to that, he was unfathomably based and zekepilled.
I cannot believe the men on /m/ would have the balls to shame this hard working single mother. Try putting yourself in her shoes. Imagine the not-father of your groomed figurehead abandoning you to go play terrorist with teenage psychics somewhere. Fucking disgraceful.
>>22834225Victims of downsizing as the Zabi coffers ran dry
>>22836659She's doing fine
I like to imagine UC 0100 when Zeon has been dissolved and reabsorbed into the Federation and Mineva has abdicated, and somewhere in a hotel on a hot afternoon all the curtains are drawn and the room is littered with empty water bottles as she and Banagher fuck endlessly.
>>22836664Surely Mineva could have just moved to a smaller room
>>22836659It's true, really. The entire reason ZZ, CCA and onward happened and everything went to shit decades into the future boils down to the simply fct that Char was an eternal manchild fuck-up who was never bitch-slapped across the face and told to have his balls drop and grow up. Char is like the single nexus where it all went off the rails, the singularity of epic fail of the UC continuity.
>>22787280Old teeth aren't good.
>>22836659>Try putting yourself in her shoes.I'd die from cumming over touching her shoes.
>>22837818They probably smell awful being trapped in leggings but also shoes all day.
>>22765116>there are still a considerable number of Zabi-following fanaticsLike who? Not a single person in Sleeves was a Zabi fanatic. There were more Char/Frontal fanatics inside Mineva's own faction than there were Zabi fanatics.
>>22805829Glemy wasn't lying though, he was a legit Gihren clone/tube baby
>>22805481Nobody gave a fuck about Mineva in between Char taking her away from Haman and like one year before Unicorn. Not even Haman actually cared enough to retrieve her. Also who would they even ransom her to once she has no standing?
>>22837881Mineva was replaced with a body double. Haman realized she was wrong and let her go.
>>22837810Char just wanted one thing
>>22837965Underage pussy.
>>22761011>Because the problem isn’t that the Federation keeps attacking Zeon, it’s that Zeon keeps attacking the Federation.Braindead take.The reason Space Colonies are upset is because the Federation won't let them have any seats in the Federation Senate to vote on Federation laws and policy.The Federation government is so stubborn and stupid that they would rather have 75% of humanity die than give the Spacenoids a couple token seats in the Senate. Seriously they could have avoided billions dying if they gave the Colonies some Senate seats. But nope. The Federation is THAT greedy for power.
>>22838117Let's not forget that the original Fed government forcefully expelled the ancestors of spacenoids from Earth to begin with, then when their PM wanted to throw them a meaningless symbolic bone in the UC charter they JFK'd him.
>>22761011Their monarch?? Mineva is not in charge and has no legal position in the Republic of Zeon, she's just a pretender. The only people who answer to her are Banana Manager and ex-Sleeves guys.
>>22838191She has no legal authority but enough of the population believes her to be legitimate that the actual government does need to acknowledge her claim, even if they’re not actually going to slit en to anything she says. >>22767248 explains it in more depth but it’s not hard to infer from the actual scenes in Narrative.
>>22838254So in other words, like every Japanese emperor besides Oda Nobunaga and the Meiji one? As if I didn't need anymore convincing that Zeon=Japan.
>>22838274Nobunaga was Shogun, not emperor, but that looks like part of the inspiration. Though other anons have said it’s closest to the Queen of England, and that does seem to be closer.
>>22838276Yeah but Zeon's whole banzai mentality towards the Feddies, and by extension how the Feddies treat them if and when they get captured is scarily on the mark of how Imperial Japan acted during WW2, with Bushido and whatnot.
>>22838254That makes no sense. For example>The elected leaders need to maintain Mineva’s favor in order to keep the support of the people who vote for themThose leaders were elected before anyone knew Mineva was even still alive. She's not Hirohito in post-war Japan, she's Napoleon III before his return. Republic of Zeon doesn't derive any legitimacy from her, it was set up by the feds right after OYW. Their control must've already been solidified, whether by fed bayonets or electoral politics, before Mineva became a political force during Unicorn. Picrelated in >>22767248 doesn't actually prove his weird dual power theory, all it shows is that Bakharo Sr and Bakharo Jr can't afford to either use her or kill her, not that they have some kind of power-sharing arrangement. She's basically just an infuentual opposition figure.Then again, if Unicorn 2 happens I bet it'll turn out exactly like you say, because consistency and reason were never something Unicorn was famous for.
>>22809667gaki lalah,,,
>>22760659GTFO Haman
>>22838454Make me with your penis you dumb slut.
>>22837804Impossible, that was actually the Nest Room. Do not ask the horror beneath the floor.>>22837611Why does Mineva look like shes on quaaludes?
>>22838293Ultimately this is the result of Fukui taking a perfectly good setup and changing it to fit the story he wants to tell, retroactively rendering a lot of things weird and impractical. Everything you said about the Republic is correct, but during Unicorn things change from “Mineva is a puppet leader used by Haman that nobody respects” to “Mineva is acknowledged by everyone as the rightful leader of Zeon”.The Narrative thing isn’t a power-sharing agreement, because Mineva has no direct power. But there is the idea that Mineva is popular enough that they need to at least pretend to acknowledge her legitimacy and treat her as a Mk arch, even if they don’t actually believe it or intend on following her. Ultimately it’s just because Fukui wanted Mineva’s scenes in Narrative to fall into the “regal queen holds court with her treacherous advisors” archetype so he wrote them that way even though it raises a bunch of questions.Honestly it’s much less of an asspull than anything related to Laplace’s Box.
>>22807936This is a crime worse than cold-blooded murder in America/UC.
>>22838293>all it shows is that Bakharo Sr and Bakharo Jr can't afford to either use her or kill her,If you're referring to Darcia, isn't he no longer in charge of the RoZ by UC 0096?
>>22839426>but during Unicorn things change from “Mineva is a puppet leader used by Haman that nobody respects” to “Mineva is acknowledged by everyone as the rightful leader of Zeon”.I mean, before she used to be a little kid in the midst of an somewhat well-estabilished bureaucratic apparatus full of seasoned political agents while in the 0090s she was reaching maturity and almost all levels of organization among zeon collapsed. The third neo zeon war was fought by sleeper cells that had pretty much zero communication with each other. With no tangible chain of command, it’s a lot easier for cerimonial leaders to exert their influence.
>>22839643It makes sense for Neo Zeon but there’s really no reason for the Republic and Federation to treat her that way too
