Do you like Full Armor gimmick and what's the best FA?
Yes.
when it comes to FAGs I think you are the biggest one OP, you are definitely the best FAG around
>>22783573If it’s done with tact.Example:FA RX-78 and FA Alex good.FA ZZ and FA Hyaku Shiki bad.In my opinion, it needs to not just be a hundred random bits glued onto the mobile suit, it needs to be more like a suit of armor on top of the suit itself, otherwise it’s just too fucking much and looks ridiculous.It doesn’t make sense to turn agile suits like ZZ and HS into huge tanks because it defeats their purpose, it makes more sense for general purpose MS as a legitimate alternate armament.
>>22783675the fuck's the difference between giving full armor to both the RX-78-2 and the HS? both were agile general purpose MS
>>22783681HS has wing binders, it’s primarily designed to be an agile space mobile suit. Tripling its weight and putting a hundred more sharp edges on it completely defeats the purpose of its creation. RX-78 was literally designed as a general purpose mobile suit for ground and space combat. As a jack-of-all-trades it makes a lot more sense for it to have a bullet proof vest when the situation arises, RX series has always been modular.
>>22783573What's that suit between the Hyaku Shiki and 0 Gundam? Is it a Full Armor RE GZ or Zeta Plus?
>>22784504Full Armor version of Gundam Mark III
>>22784507Nice try Hot Scramble Gundam but you can't fool me that easy
>>22783573>Do you like Full Armor gimmickYes>what's the best FA?For me it's a tossup between the FAZZ and Thunderbolt
>>22783573even though it's only "full armor" by name, there's something about FA Unicorn that's aesthetically pleasing for me.
>>22784752it's the age of beams I guess, it has three shields that each have I-field generators
>>22784752It means you have bad taste. This thing is a clusterfuck of nonsense. They are just glueing as much crap on it as possible to sell a model kit.
>>22784752I like how the design conveys "last ditch effort where we strap everything in the armory on one machine".It would make more sense to call it the Gundam Unicorn Full Armament
>>22784767That there's no Full Arms trend in Gunpla to match Full Armors is baffling.
>>22784786Closest thing I can think of are these option parts sets. But if you're talking individual suits I guess the Psycho Zaku too
>>22784786Perfect Strike Gundam kinda fits that category.
>>22783573As much as the FA is a downgrade for the Zeta overall performance wise and functionally, I love the FA Zeta. Visually it just appeals to me in a way the regular Zeta doesn't.
>>22783573I do a lot.it always looks nice.I wish my fav Gundam got a FA too
>>22783573Very few do it well but yeah, it can be awesome
>>22783573What the fuck is the point of an FA Alex? It already has the chobham armor
Does your full armor mode give you atmospheric reentry capability? If not, don't even @ me.
>>22786495Chobham itself doesn't add any weapons. Traditionally, Full Armor types usually include a double barrel beam gun and shoulder cannon that could be either beam or projectile, even some AUs tend to reference it
i love it when they pile more and more on, its so retarded and fun
>>22786874The GP01Fb with the HFA parts is more pointy but I like it too
>the best FA?
Depends, i feel like it's ether gotta serve a purpose like a heavy unit or something or just be fucking cool in design. i fucking hate when they just go GO GO GADGET MAKE I MORBIDLY OBESE.
>>22796836Wait, GM Spartan a full armor?
>>22784972damn that's hot
>>22786495Backup plan in case the Chobham armor which was being developed at the same time turned out to be a failure or otherwise impractical.
>>22796892no, I have no idea what that anon meant by posting it
>>22783573>Full armor Hyaku Shiki is in the worksI believe.
>>22786874These suits operate in space so I think its not so retarded to slap on a ton of equipment to it when you dont have to worry about weight.
>>22796948Not a kit, but it is getting a Ka Signature toy.
>>22797053came out just a few days ago in fact
You've heard of Full Armor, now get ready for FULLER ARMOR
>>22797053Never got why it has such an odd face. It doesn't look like anything else from the time period.
>>22783573More gun, but...damn!
>>22797094it's an okawara revision on top of a nagano design, it's kind of expected to be weird
>>22783573Full Armor MKII is the best one but I wanna gives points to the FA hyaku-Shiki for turning the Hyaku-Shiki into a direct counterpart of the Sazabi down to the proportions and general silhouette because I think that's a pretty fun joke that's easy to miss.
>>22784786We really do need an entire line of Full Bullet Zaku derivatives.
>>22786874The 7th having like a successive chain of Full Armors inside of Full Armors feels like something Lowe Guele would have come up with so I honestly approve.
Some monoeye "full armor" for a change
>>22797094Nagano+Okawara revision, but also it's supposed to be along the same lines as how the Sazabi's head is relatively unusual for a Zeek suit with how it has a full helmet and faceplate and two headcrests. The Crown evokes Char's old helmet chevron thing for example.The FAHS's entire thing is "What if Sazabi, but it was Hyaku-Shiki?", kind of the ultimate evolution of a Char suit from the other major line he's associated with.
>>22797915And the artillery variant of it, I fucking love the gigantic front half of a Zaku machine gun used as a cannon
>>22797903Huh, I never really realized that. It's not visually obvious, but there are a couple of parallels>head crest sorta similar>front chest mega particle cannon (not in exact same spot)>little thruster struts that hang down from the the shoulder>upper backpack has two large pods that vaguely resemble the two funnel docks on the Sazabi (totally different purpose though)
>>22797903even more appropriate when FA Hyaku Shiki Kai is the go-to final suit for Char in SRW games that don't go through the CCA plotline.
>>22797942Its more obvious if you can put models or face-on shots side by side, lineart means that the FAHSK's details kind of just blob into itself with that 3/4ths profile, but it's essentially the same suit just replacing "Rounded and Red" with "Blocky and Gold" proportionally.
>>22790544Are those two supposed to be similar or something? The leg armor is about the only thing that even looks vaguely the same.
>>22797920That Xamel-esque chest monoeye is just the cherry on topAlso F90J where
>>22783573>Do you like Full Armor gimmickNot particularly>what's the best FA?Dendrobium
>>22784751The lower legs of the ReZEL look exactly like the lower legs of the FAZZ. What could this imply?
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>>22799619>What could this imply?that you should get a head start learning braille now before you go completely bind
>>22790544Rather fond of the Full Armour MK2
>>22798404I think he just slapped together two of his favorites into one image
>>22783573My personal Favorite has to be the V2AB, I just like it taking the best full armor gimmick of the armor being Purgeable and bringing it all way down to the regular mobile suit itself.
>>22783573Full Armor Zeta. It's so absolutely retarded as concept that I love it. Also, the design is pretty clean/cool leaking.
>>22804937You made me remember a fanmade Full Armored Zeta I saw a couple years ago, though upon finding it again I realized that the base unit is basically a Zeta Plus, though it's cool that it retains the transformation ability.
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>>22783675>agile suits like Zetas fat cousin ZZ
>>22783573Hyaku Shiki looks mustardish.
>>22784507MkIII is so sexy holy shit. Maybe because it's rarely white.
>>22784752I don't really like "Full Armour" that much, but I do like whatever they did with Unicorn. I always like mechs that are armed to the teeth with as many guns strapped to them as possible
>>22784752They should just call it Full Armament instead of Full Armor because it nothing looks like full armor
>>22783573Does the Avalanche Exia count?
>>22818368I think Seven Sword is closer to a FA. Isn't Avalanche just a ground combat mobility aid?
>>22783573Don't really care for it.
>>22783573I do not care for Full Armor variants. They insist upon themselves.
>>22815494Mustard is not supposed to be golden
>>22824731Interesting but...What's the point of all this armor when it doesn't protect against beams? All that extra weight would have slowed Amuro down massively, and Char would have just tagged Amuro with Sazabi's chest beam cannon which destroys Asteroids in a single blast. GG armor.
>>22824740Why do people have this completely made up image that a single beam shot of any kind can blast through an infinite amount of armour?
>>22824745I don't think Nu Gundam is blocking this.
>>22824808Fin Funnel I-Field would no-sell it.All the additional armor is so Amuro can basically completely ignore mook fire.
>>22824808not a direct hit with the entirety of it to center mass, sure, but a grazing hit absolutely yes. Besides, HWS doesn't even ahve that much extra armor increasing its mass in the first place, and the legs have huge Zeta-inspired thrusters added to even things out.
>>22797920this one rules
>>22783573>Do you like Full Armor gimmickYou dont put your faith in "gimmicks" when you are taking on a squad of grunts, that Full Armor gonna save yo ass
>>22783573Does this count?
>>22805400>>22805402The concept is really cool, anon, but honestly I think that it'd be a bit too much, both in and outta universe. On one hand, a transforming mobile suit that could fit a Full Armor component and also transform would be a really tall order for any MS gunpla like that, And on the other, I'd imagine that a machine with so many moving, detachable and optional parts would be the hangar queen to end all others.With that said, I fucking love how it looks so damn much...
>>22832905that's why it took Kawamori 25 years to figure out how to make a transforming Armored Valkyrie
>>22827334>Fin Funnel I-Field would no-sell it. Lmao. No.That Mega beam is punching RIGHT THROUGH that paper thin barrier.
>>22835572Alpha Azieru's head mega particle cannon has an output of 19.5 MW, Sazabi's check mega particle cannon is only 8.8MW.
>>22838723There's no point debating MW. You have presented zero proof that Nu Gundam's funnel barrier can withstand any type of big beam attack. We've only seen it stop small beam weapons.
>>22838723the power ratings aren't a reliable metric for actual strength. Even in this case, Alpha Azieru's funnels are rated at about 20MW and the fin funnel barrier blocks them just fin.
I like NuHWS and Full Armor ZZ but otherwise eh
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>>22818454Avalanche is perfectly able to fight and includes other weapons too. At minimum, it's got claws and extra beam sabers on each foot. Fon duct taped the Avalanche kit to an Astraea Type F and used it just fine too.
Full Armor MS are just meme tier unless the base suit has powerful generator output/upgraded engine/external power for the FA. Shit seems not feasible if the base suit is already pushed to the limit, then slapping additional armor and weaponry on it, then expect it to perform better.
>>22842607Every Astraea variant looks so good.
Surprised no one posted this one.
>>22844713Have there been any suits that stopped working or ran out of power after the full armor was attached?
>>22845678Do we count Mighty Strike Freedom having an extra nuclear reactor on the backpack?
>>22845757That ADDED more power after being attached, and it wasn't full armor. I'm asking if anything got worse after equipping full armor.
>>22830547Playing as the Full Armor ZZ in the Gundam Battle Assault games and seeing it in the SRW gave me the impression it was the ultimate form of the ZZThen I actually watched the show and found out it was just a one-episode mod that didn't do anything but fly around launching missiles and get turned back to normal next episode. What a letdown.
Full armor is only good when the machine is introduced with it on, without any mention to it on the name, and then at some important point it casts the armor off.
>>22846028No.
Definitely the Granddaddy of all Full ArmorsFA-78 Full Armor Gundam
>>22846198bootleg of the granddaddy, maybe
>>22835572Punching through? No, he's disabling it. There's no point wasting reactor power on something he's already dodged. No need to fully block it and waste power once he's broken off from it.
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>>22849742Don't the fin funnels get overloaded/abandoned at that point? IIRC after that glancing shot from the Alpha Azieru, none of the funnels that formed the beam barrier are shown again and Amuro is only left with the single fin funnel on the back that he hasn't deployed yet to later use against Char.
>>22841596>just fin.kek
>>22846028wrong
>>22866703state of that waist
>>22786874It makes sense when you remember that most of these aren't meant to operate anywhere but in space.
>>22866703That waist must be really fucking powerful.
>>22842607>be exia>your mom astraea tries your clothes>she looks hotter than you
>>22845861Yeah welcome to Gundam. You play as The O in any of the various games and see it doing these sick 4 Saber combos. Then in the show he literally uses a single of his hidden sabers once right before dieing.
>>22783573Its sad that Gundam and Macross were the only 2 franchises to do full armor.
>>22786830huh, they MPed the Gransa?
>>22824740its not FA, its HWS. most of the bulk is extra armaments or supplies
>"An abrams TUSK armor is practically useless because it doesnt protect against a fucking jdam"Thats the logic being used here.
>>22824808Goddamn it above post was replying to this
>>22878694I can understand Full Armor designs for Macross. Their mecha generally use lots of missiles as their main weapons along with bullets. Their enemies are usually alien bugs or something else. So the missiles make sense.>>22878730Not that anon but what is the purpose of Nu Gundam HWS? I'm trying to understand the war situation that would require them to build something like this. Necessity is the mother of invention. But what kind of Battle situation would force Amuro to bring all that? Is he fighting an army of mobile armors?
>>22878851I think in universe they probably forgot that Amuro is well, Amuro. They were probably aiming for precautions against heavy funnel fire along with squads upon squads of neo zeon MSs trying to shoot him down. Where in reality, he didnt need most of the HWS package. The project failed because the bulk made it impractical, but the project cancelation isnt something Amuro himself wouldve lost his shit over. Nu Gundam, even in its rushed base, was perfect for him.
>>22878851HWS is probably for base assaults, when he needs something to punch trough fortifications. the Nu is great at dogfighting bult ultimately his biggest gun is just the Fin Funnel array
What's the point of full armor if you can't shed it at will?More examples of this?
>>22878933I miss old macross. It had a nice mix of action, survival, drama, and a dash of Idol stuff.Modern Macross...I just can't. It's like 50 to 70% idol now. Everything else secondary. I heard the idols even ride inside the cockpits and sing now from cockpit. Cringe.
>>22878694>Dendoh
>>22881202Yeah, but that was an emergency mode because the Data Weapons weren't working. Did Dragonar have full-armor?
>>22881231D-1 had Cavalier-0
>>22878720No, the Assault Jacket is an equipment package developed by Flit's friend who became a mechanic in the 2nd generation. After further development they develop the Glansa parts.>>22878694It occasionally comes up elsewhere.
>>22824731I honestly do not see Amuro using this. He just doesn't like big and bulky mobile suits. He prefers well balanced general purpose suits without any specific weakness. Amuro is the type of guy who would return for Resupply or hijack enemy weapons. He's not going to carry huge bulky armor into battle. It would only slow him down.Not to mention Amuro thinks of equipment attached to his suit as disposable. He often uses them for distractions like tosses his shield, throws his beam rifle away, or blows up his bazooka. All to distract enemy pilots and attack from a different direction. That's his style. He's an extremely well balanced scrappy fighter that uses feints and distractions to beat his enemy. It's the same reason why I think Amuro would reject Alex Gundam. He would really hate the bulky armor. It also doesn't have a core fighter system that Amuro used numerous times to surprise his enemies. It's why he would never use something like ZZ Gundam. It's too big and slow for Amuro. But also it's incredibly expensive. Every part of ZZ is a complicated and expensive masterpiece. Even the weapons. And could you imagine Amuro tossing away the expensive beam cannon and huge sabers in the middle of Battle just to win? Anaheim Engineers and Federation tax payers would CRY.Amuro doesn't WANT expensive equipment or hyper specialized gear that can only be replaced from a specific source. He wants a general well balanced suit that is compatible with lots of equipment used by other suits.That's why his Rick Dijeh got repaired with partially repaired Jegan parts when it got damaged. But Amuro didn't care. He even used a GM III shield too.It's why when Amuro was given a blank check to make whatever he wanted, he didn't make another ZZ Gundam or some big mobile armor like the Gundam Dendrobium. He made Nu Gundam. A solid well balanced Gundam with the latest technology. But also easy to repair because it used Jegan parts weapons. Only the funnels were unique
>>22881318Break Blade is such a disappointment. It had so much potential but they ruined it with bad characters and poor writing.
Have we ever seen an Full Armor Gundam take a big beam hit? I can't remember.
>>22784752Unicorn FA was much different in the novel than the anime. The Unicorn FA fought he Neo Zeon fleet and was like watching the Dendrobium from 0083. But in the anime they had the Unicorn FA fight banshee for no reason, and then waste 75% of its weapons ruining it.
>>22883569Not many have been animated, so showing them tanking a beam doesn't happen often
>>22883569>>22883998
>>22883998Do you have an example where it's not involving super newtype powers? Just normal people.
>>22884029I know you fags menstruate over SEED's primitive animation, but this is actually really well done
>>22884454>>22883998>what are I-Fields and anti-beam coating
>>22884472ZZ doesn't have an I-field.
>>22883998This is some newtype shenanigans. ZZ can't bend beams like that.
>>22884479Full Amor ZZ does.
>>22884536That round thing on the chest is a single shot beam cannon similar to the head beam cannon, not an I-Field. Only the EX-S Gundam had a chest I-Field.
>>22884479>what is anti-beam coating
>>22883569Outside other examples already posted, in 00I, Fon's Avalanche Astraea takes a hit which costs him the Avalanche pack but the Astraea is intact to keep fighting.
>>22884560Anti beam coating doesn't stop a beam 20 feet in FRONT of the suit and bending it like a newtype bubble.
>>22884469Half of those scenes, like the Buster firing its combined rifle and the Forbidden charging up its cannon are reused animation assets. The Duel getting engulfed in an explosion and bursting out are new, though.To be fair I also removed the pilot reaction cut-ins because I wanted to shorten the clip's length to meet 4MB size limit without having to lower the quality any further, though.
>>22884029I hate how they all say this was Yzak's kill when in reality Buster did a lot of work too. Team effort.
>>22884558That's on the waist. There's an i-field in the middle of the chest armor.
>>22884569It's well done because it's sticks to important core parts of the scene.It doesn't have 20 different things happening at once and the digital camera spinning around all over the place from bizzarre angles like in modern CGI mecha battles.
>>22884577If the animation had more budget and effort like showing how buster's attack damaged it, then people wouldn't say that. Since they used stock animation, the Forbidden looks like it's in pristine condition just before Yzak charges in and delivers the killing blows.
