During the one-on-one battle in Mobile Suit Gundam: Char's Counterattack, Char asks Amuro, "Is there any point in fighting and winning against a pathetic mobile suit?"
>>22863753No, Char's just coping and pretending to give Amuro a handicap even though he lost his shield, a funnel, and his rifle almost instantly when they started fighting. The MG (1.0) manual says its performance is comparable to the Zeta, and some sources say it was equipped with a temporary biosensor. It just lacks newtype weapons. It is strictly worse than the Sazabi, but Char's not skilled enough to be shit talking Amuro.
>>22863976>The MG (1.0) manual says its performance is comparable to the ZetaLatest Gihren Greed stats say it's slower at the expense of better armor. You'd think feddies would do better, given than Zeta quite old by UC arms race standards and can transform back and forth repeatedly.
>>22863753Yes, it's ass. Char had to actively hold back against Amuro in the Re-GZ, even if he was a bit too arrogant about it and Amuro can get some hits in.Meanwhile in a more or less evenly matched machine Amuro utterly stomps Char with zero room for a scenario where Char wins.Re-GZ has none of Zeta's versatility nor anything else that made it so successful in the first place. All it has is somewhat simplified maintenance. But it still retains Zeta's other flaw in the form of being just as difficult to handle and pilot properly. For an attempt at a mass produced Zeta it's a complete and utter fuckup, and for an ace Zeta-series suit it has no standout characteristics to keep up with proper ace suits of the era.
I think one of the things that annoys me the most is when people treat vehicles like power levels.
>>22863753>Char asks Amuro, "Is there any point in fighting and winning against a pathetic mobile suit?"I watched that scene, he never says this.
It looks like a Zeta dummy balloon.
>>22864945I think he's a spiffy boy.
>>22864948Well I'm glad you like him, but he's too round for me. Feddie machines oughta be angular. Leave the curves to Zeon.
>>22864541It doesn't help that suits like the unicorns exist. Which encourages that sorta of behavior.
>>22864541Mustang is more powerful than Corolla
>>22864961I mean I've been having this argument with people since at least Wing was relevant so It's by no stretch a NEW problem.
>>22864458>You'd think feddies would do betterIt's not meant to be an improvement of the Zeta in terms of performance, it's literally a result of trying to cut costs to make a cheaper version
>>22864961It really doesn't
Why they didn't just give Amuro the custom version?
>>22865131Because it wasn't actually ever built, it was rejected in favor of building the Nu Gundam.>>22864458Newer lore says the Feds ordered a bunch of Delta Plus units for the 0090s and they even have biosensors. Weak ones, but crazy that they were included at all.
>>22865131I hate that the Re-GZ has basically been forgotten and now usurped by the Re-GZID.
>>22865146>Newer lore says the Feds ordered a bunch of Delta Plus units for the 0090s and they even have biosensors.Source? AFAIK it's generally described as just a very limited production run despite being initially intended for mass production because it couldn't be easily maintained and incorporated into Jegan-based tactics. The biosensor might have been an attempt at seeing if there was any sense in putting it in a mass produced MS. Delta Plus was intended for mass production but it was also still a prototype, after all.
>>22864541Surely military vehicles are one case where power level fagging would be completely reasonable.
>>22863753Reminder that it and the Zeta's transform style was too complicated so the Rezels are more or less pic.
>>22865080It's not a new problem but it became more annoying problem since they have plot magic powers with vague limits. Which seems to cause people to argue if the more technologically advanced Turn-A and G-Self is weaker than the Unicorn. The other thing that gets close to annoyance is the technobabble over whether IBO suits can deflect beams from other universes and the mental gymnastics that result from it.>>22865156I hate the forced V fin on the variants. It takes away from the distinctiveness of the original.
>>22864501The thing is the Zeta, while powerful, was really only at its absolute best with Kamille controlling it. Anybody else using it, even Judau, its performance drops.
>>22863753I love the RE-GZ. It's one of my favorite suits. It's basically a "Jegan-ified" version of the Zeta. An extremely simplified version of Zeta. That's what's charming about it. It cuts out all the unnecessary frills of the Zeta Gundam and only uses what is absolutely necessary. It's built for practicality. >>22863976Char held back against Amuro. While Amuro was capable of defending himself and getting a few hits in, there's no doubt that he eventually would have been killed in the long term.>>22865131This is basically just a half-step away from being a Zeta Gundam. What's the point? It's not cheap enough to mass produce and not high performance enough compared to its Zeta Gundam brother.
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>>22866917I honestly wonder why Tomino wasted the most anticipated plot line in Gundam history (the return of Zeon) on a show like ZZ Gundam? What was he thinking? The whole show landed like a wet fart. Even Japan didn't like it from what I hear. The audience wrote letters to the studio complaining about how bad ZZ Gundam was.
Why there's no Refined Gundam Double Zeta/Re-GZZ?
>>22865257It comes from the master grade booklet for the Delta Plus. See the last paragraph at the bottom.>これはバイオセンサーと呼ばれる簡易サイコミュ装置が本機に採用。 されていた点からも伺える。一般的にはパイロットの脳波制御によって操縦系のサポートを行い、機体の追従性を高める効果を 与えるとされてはいたが、ネオ・ジオンと比較してサイコミュ技術に後れを取っていた連邦軍が、通常のパイロットでは実効性が低いとされて いた本装置の採用指示をどのような意図を持ってAE社に発注していたのか現時点においては定かでない。本機は少数を生産し、その内の一機はU.C.0096年、地球連邦宇宙軍の独立機動艦隊ロンド・ベルに補充機体として配備された記録が残っている。>This can also be seen from the fact that this unit was equipped with a simple psycommu device called a biosensor. It was generally believed that the pilot's brainwave control would support the pilot's control system and improve the unit's tracking ability, but the Federation Forces, which was lagging behind Neo Zeon in psycommu technology, had ordered AE to adopt this device, which was considered to be less effective with normal pilots, and it is unclear at this time what intention they had in ordering it. This unit was produced in small numbers, and one of them is recorded to have been deployed as a replacement unit to the Earth Federation Space Force's independent mobile fleet Londo Bell in U.C. 0096.>>22866914>What's the point? It's not cheap enough to mass produce and not high performance enough compared to its Zeta Gundam brother.Re-GZ Custom was meant to be Amuro's customized unit and is not meant for mass production. Going by the specs, the Re-GZ Custom has more firepower and mobility, but less raw speed than the Zeta.
>>22866925If you want a non-transforming version, there's the MSZ-013 MP type ZZ from M-MSV which is basically the ZZ GM. If you wanted a mass producible ZZ, there's the Theta Plus from Moon Gundam. If you strictly wanted an unit in the RGZ-line, there's the ReZEL Defenser which inherits the ZZ's missile pod and hyper beam sabers.
>>228651311. Gundam crown ruins the entire look.2. Replacing the sml thruster nozzles with big orange thruster vents makes it look too advanced.3. Why does it have Zeta Gundam arms instead of Jegan arms? Wasn't the whole point of the ReGZ to lower the cost by simplifying parts compatibility?
>>22863753hehe look the hat is too big for him :D
>>22866773It's not so much that Kamille and only Kamille can handle it, Roux and Judau also made it work very well. But it is an extremely peaky and sensitive machine made with a particular piloting style in mind and it can be hard to adapt to.The problem with Re-GZ is that it's still just as hard to use despite aiming at much wider pilot pool. Amuro was pushing it to the absolute limit because he's a God damn savant, but Keyra really wasn't that hot shit with it. And it's not like Kayra is a shitty pilot, she wouldn't get Amuro's hand-me-down if she wasn't the second best pilot inthe Londo Bell fleet.
>>22866914>This is basically just a half-step away from being a Zeta Gundam. What's the point? It's not cheap enough to mass produce and not high performance enough compared to its Zeta Gundam brother.That describes regular Re-GZ. Custom was, well, Custom for Amuro and would have been his ride if Nu wasn't operable in time.
>>22865131God this looks so much better than the regular Re-GZ, this is an actual good design. I wish it was in the movie. I wish base Re-GZ was a joke MSV ms nobody cared to remember because it's a giant pile of shit. Re-GZ is the Zaku 50 before the Zaku 50.
>>22867952>That describes regular Re-GZ.Prove it.
>>22867982in universe it was rejected for being expensive and in here people are arguing it wasn't high enough performance
>>22867956Regular Regz is timeless. The picture you love looks like it was a kitbash from some Build Fighters anime
>>22868148how can it be a kitbash, the only thing it could possibly have reused are the ZZ sabers
>>22866686>The other thing that gets close to annoyance is the technobabble over whether IBO suits can deflect beams from other universes and the mental gymnastics that result from it.I fucking hate that talk, and the Uh no you see IBO suits actually all suck and would lose to a GM from the one-year war crowd. I personally consider that worse than the Barbatos could no sell the entire timeline crowd but its close. Just accept IBO suits are Late UC at best full bullshit Zeta/Double Zeta era without their bullshit.
>>22868193The core of Regz's idea is that the backpack detaches and it doesn't carry it around while in MS mode.
>>22868209so..... what parts did it bash together?
>>22868193You literally just proved anon right. The custom looks just like that Build Fighters abomination. Maybe next time think carefully before trying to argue?
>>22868245so..... what parts did it bash together?
>>22868148You would think Re-GZ would be very cheap given that it doesn't transform and just rides around on what is essentially a detachable Base Jabber. Honestly it's just an upgraded Jegan with a Base Jabber Backpack. The Federation probably has a few thousand Base Jabbers lying around. I really can't wrap my head around why it's claimed to be too expensive. Everything about it is very practical and easily replaceable.
>>22868270The docking system, and regardless of everything it's still a considerably high-performance mobile suit.
>>22868270If it actually wore a base jabber on its back it'd be cheap, but since the Re-GZ backpack is effectively a custom-made weapons pack that only fits that one mobile suit, it ended up being expensive. At least make it a drone so it could have added value and continue contributing to the fight and maybe even make it back to the carrier instead of automatically becoming space debris.I mean I guess it could become cheaper over time if they mass produce it in huge quantities for economy of scale, but since they rejected that there's zero chance of spreading out the development cost across a couple hundred or thousand units. It won't get any cheaper than however much they paid for the one or two development units.
>>22868270At the end of the day, the Federation only wants 1 or 2 suits in mass production. And those suits must be extremely cheap and for general use. Nothing high end. Federation is all about numbers. Quantity over quality. That's why their main suit is the GM and later the Jegan. With secondary support from mass produced Rezels. But it seems like by the time of the F91, the Rezels have been retired and the Federation only focused on mass producing the Jegan since it was peace time. Only very rarely does the Federation make something better than a GM or Jegan. That's a Gundam. But usually those are extremely rare.
>>22866917Gigastacy
>>22868193god Re-GZ looks so fucking horrendous next to anything based on it, god bless other people for fixing that stain upon the franchise
>>22868193Re-GZ Custom and whatever the one on the right is look so bad. They are overly ornate and have way too many greebles. Why do people add stuff on Re-GZ to make it look like a Gundam? A Gundam crown? Really? Have people forgotten that Re-GZ is supposed to be a grunt suit ans/or a grunt squad leader suit? It's not supposed to be a Gundam. That's not it's role.
>>22868460>Have people forgotten that Re-GZ is supposed to be a grunt suit ans/or a grunt squad leader suit? We remember but it's fucking horrendous at it so we gotta salvage it somehow, even if Zeta Plus is superior in every measure from performance to operability.
>>22868460>Have people forgotten that Re-GZ is supposed to be a grunt suit ans/or a grunt squad leader suit?It was a unique one-of-a-kind (rejected) prototype until they introduced a second Re-GZ unit about ~23 years later in a "blink and you'll miss it" moment. It has still never served as a grunt or a squad leader.
>>22868477Well it wasn't a grunt, but Kayra used it to lead a squad of Jegans toward Axis before she got murdered.
>>22868477>It was a unique one-of-a-kind (rejected) prototypeRe-gz uses Jegan parts for cost reasons, and is a downgrade of the Zeta Plus series which itself is a downgrade of the Zeta Gundam. Re-GZ is 2 to 3 levels down from a Zeta Gundam. It's definitely more grunt than Gundam at this point.
>>22868466>We remember but it's fucking horrendous at it so we gotta salvage it somehowIt had a pretty good showing when Amuro used it against the Jagd Doga.
>>22868493Re-GZ is descended from Zeta Plus R, not Jegan. ReZEL and Anksha profiles specifically state that they use Jegan parts to lower cost and both saw production, but the Re-GZ never had that link. There are no Jegan parts here.
>>22868494because it was Amuro "NT Wargod" RayKayra was the second best ace in the fleet and she didn't do half as well
>>22868493Zeta Plus actually wasn't much if at all a downgrade from Zeta, it was just less versatile and more specialized in environment and combat role. Granted, that flexibility was one of Zeta's greatest strengths but something still had to give. The only problem with Zeta Plus is that it didn't cut down enough to be viable for large scale production.>>22868499admittedly there are SOME jegan parts in Re-GZ, IIRC the arms are explicitly mentioned, but it's evidently nowhere near the same degree as ReZEL and Anksha
>>22868499>There are no Jegan parts here.Nibba are you BLIND? The RE-GZ uses Jegan arms.
>>22866773>>22866917>>22867943Anyone skilled enough as a pilot can make use of Zeta's abilities as a regular mobile suit, Kamille was just the only one who could get it to use the Biosensor for Newtype Jesus Power to make it tank beam blasts, stretch it's beam saber to impossible lengths, or make the enemy suit completely conk out so he can just ram straight into it.
>>22864541That's pretty much a real thing to some extent. You aren't gonna take out a F22 with a biplane no matter how good a pilot you are
>>22869097>You aren't gonna take out a F22 with a biplane no matter how good a pilot you areYou can, but the situation would have to be extremely favorable. Like if the F-22 was flying at its absolute lowest speed. Then you come in from above with the Bi-plane at top speed and unload your guns into it, and shred it. The F-22 isn't armored. Even an old gun is still a gun. It can still kill a person whether it's a World War 1 or a modern gun. People die the same way to bullets.
>>22869092wrong
>>22868504>Kayra was the second best ace in the fleet and she didn't do half as wellNot sure what Kayra's issue was.1. She kept mumbling about how she alone needed to shoot down Axis.2. She chose to not fight any enemies and let them shoot her suit.I think she might have something wrong in the head if you know what I mean.
>>22864458The Zeta is, apparently, just about the gold standard of non-newtype BS mobile suits going by how the Federation kept pumping out attempts to create an MP Zeta and blowing their already crippled logistics the fuck out trying to get it "just right" for some retarded reason.It kinda makes sense, the Gaza-D is canonically the peak of "actually reached Mass production" UC MS prior to the "Oh fuck we broke the economy downsize downsize downsize" going by statements on how it, the Geara Doga, Jegan, Nemo III and Geara Zulu all compare to eachother and specs and shit, and aside from the Zeta being defacto better than that, prior to the Zeta the Federation's main plan seems to have been using successful Gundams as templates for their next MP Mobile suits wherever possible. Problem was that Char's NeoZeon downgraded to the "perfectly servicable and still competitive" Geara Doga instead of using the Gaza-Ds or any of their potential successors like the Gazowm/Zaku III/Doven Wolf for a fucking reason, Haman didn't have to worry about shit like "money" in a total war command economy while living in a gigantic mining asteroid+Mobile suit foundry.Meanwhile the Federation was incapable of reaching full deployment of the GMIII, let alone the Jegan or Nemo III, and willingly gave Char a country just for a pile of gold they were so broke, yet were still cooking up and shitting out not only like 6 fucking "Mass production Zeta" programs that went nowhere. It's kind of fucking insane no matter how good the thing is.I can only assume that Kamille's psychic ghost cursed the federation to blow their entire steadily falling GDP on obsessing over the Zeta.
>>22868509>Different shoulder structure with more plating>Different arm structure with more plating and a separate subsection on the back of the arm.>The Jegan, being just short of a vanity boondoggle program itself because they already had the schematics to the superior already in production Nemo III from the AEUG never even canonically reached full deployment until it was obsolete anyway making the idea of it actually lowering costs and easing production in the fucked to hell feddie logistical system qustionable to begin with.NTA but you might wanna work your way through this one a bit more.
>>22869299>Problem was that Char's NeoZeon downgraded to the "perfectly servicable and still competitive" Geara Doga instead of using the Gaza-Ds or any of their potential successors like the Gazowm/Zaku III/Doven Wolf for a fucking reason, Haman didn't have to worry about shit like "money" in a total war command economy while living in a gigantic mining asteroid+Mobile suit foundry. It made no sense for Char to use the Gazas/Zaku IIIs/Doven Wolves/etc. His speeches were about blaming past failures on Axis and Haman. It would be a bad look and very hypocritical to use Axis suits while blaming them.From a more serious logistical standpoint, it made no sense either. Even if Char could secure some leftover Axis suits, there's no way to support them. The factories that created spare parts are gone or shut down. So he has no real way to repair them. Imagine getting 30 Doven wolf suits but they are all in various states of disrepair. Some are missing arms, some are missing legs, a few have damaged heads, some have missing cockpit doors, the reactors aren't starting up correctly for some suits, the software is out of date and doesn't meet modern standards or interface with your new fleet of ships so communication doesn't work. Now multiply that by mixing in Gazas and Zakus and other random Axis suits. It's probably a huge headache to fix them and is probably much easier to just build brand NEW suits that are up to modern standards and have no issues. Not to mention Anaheim Electronics was supporting Char secretly. Better to accept a donation of 100 brand new Geara Dogas from Anaheim Electronics, than to try to fix almost 10 year old suits and hope they don't break down.
>>22869313>NTAYou are the same guy. >Different shoulder structure with more platingThey look the almost same except for an extra thruster nozzle. Any other minor differences you think exist are due to the different artists drawing it. >Different arm structure with more platingYou do realize they can add attach extra armor to forearms right? They've done it with Jegans too. >but you might wanna work your way through this one a bit more.The Re-GZ gunpla manual and databooks say they used Jegan arms for the Re-GZ . So nope. You are wrong. Accept it.Go quickly double check the sources and realize I'm right. Then go scurry back into the darkness without replying because you know you're wrong. Seen it hundreds of times already. Argument over.
>>22869342>You are the same guyGuess again retardo.Also>The Re-GZ gunpla manual and databooks say they used Jegan arms for the Re-GZ . So nope. You are wrong.Only source that claims that, period, is the ReGZ MG gunpla manual from 2001, meanwhile the modern kit says nothing of the sort. So your argument is hinging entirely on one claim from an outdated kit pack in material omitted from succeeding releases.
>>22869391>ReGZ MG gunpla Wow. So you do know this and you've been intentionally acting ignorant. Hoping that no one calls you out on your lies. Concession accepted. Argument over.
>>22869391>that was from a databook from 2001!And? What's your point?
>>22869471MG filler =/= a data book, particularly when the new MG filler contradicts it.
>>22869391Holy fuck sometimes I forgot some here are genuine idiots
>>22869501>new MG filler contradicts itExcept new info doesn't contradict it.
>>22869391>Only source that claims that, period, is the ReGZ MG gunpla manual from 2001GOALPOST MOVING at its finest. ANY source proves your argument wrong. The argument YOU made says its doesn't exist. A source proves you wrong.Therefore you are wrong.
>>22869391>Only source that claims that, period, is the ReGZ MG gunpla manual from 2001This is also from a databook from 2020. I take great pleasure in knowing I'm a better and more knowledgeable Gundam fan than you.
>>22869618MS bible is fake lore
>>22869540>Anon still thinks he's arguing with only one guy.
>>22869391You really never knew Re-Gz used Jegan parts? Lmao. Even I knew that. They look very similar. Even Nu Gundam uses Jegan parts.
>>22869618>more knowledgeable Gundam fan>reads techno babble lore slop>no better than an autistic 12 year old reading clone wars wiki articles
>>22869735Do you not realize what site you are on and what thread you are posting in?
If Re-GZ has million number of fans i am one of them . if Re-GZ has ten fans i am one of them. if Re-GZ have only one fan and that is me . if Re-GZ has no fans, that means i am no more on the earth . if world against the Re-GZ, i am against the world. i love #RGZ-91 till my last breath.. .. Die Hard fan of Refined Gundam Zeta. Hit Like If you Think Re-GZ Best mobile suit& Coolest In UC
Bawoo was everything the Re-GZ couldn't be. Made it into production Actually transformable more than once per flight Cooler variants
>>22870007According to the databooks, it was possible for the ReGZ to redock with the BWS in battle. And that the extra large attennas on the head of ReGZ were for maintaining a link with the BWS unit while seperated. The problem is that Amuro didn't care of give AF. It wasn't his style or fighting. So he just dumped the BWS like dead weight during battle. If Kamille piloted the ReGZ it might suit him much better.
>>22870035Which databooks? I'll start looking through the model kits booklets first then whatever is available via Archive's book scans
>>22870035>>22870121The 2013 databook "Great Mechanics - Z Plan" has this to say:pg63>一方で着脱式のBWSは、状況 に応じたMS/ウェイブライダー形 態の選択はできず、BWS排除後は一 一般的なMSと何ら変わりない機体とな ってしまう点は否めない。>On the other hand, the detachable BWS means that it is not possible to select between MS and Waverider form depending on the situation, and once the BWS is removed, it cannot be denied that the unit becomes no different from a regular MS.pg114>簡易可変機構とBWS (バック・ウェポン・ システム)を採用した高機動MS。 BWS をパージすると元には戻れない。 A highly mobile MS that uses a simple variable mechanism and a BWS (Back Weapon System). Once the BWS is purged, it cannot be restored to its original state.
ReGz would have been more popular and less shitter-like if it wasn't painted in jobber grunt mint.
>>22868193I reply to you again after replying many times.
>>22870136I love when databooks actively contradict each other. I don't see how Re-gz can't redock during battle. It's not like the docking mechanism is anything special. Just some clamps IIRC. But whatever it's not really a big deal to me.
>>22869329>It made no sense for Char to use the Gazas/Zaku IIIs/Doven Wolves/etc. His speeches were about blaming past failures on Axis and Haman. It would be a bad look and very hypocritical to use Axis suits while blaming them.They're just weapons. Plenty of times in history someone looked at an old design including a failed one and saw inspiration. If anything, creating functional and superior crap just proves you better.For example, the German FG42 was a freaky weird gun. The program itself had very eyeball-raising requirements and conditions, which the biggest surprise was that something satisfied them. It's a weird as fuck miracle of engineering that absolutely was not a game changer even in small-arms. But it had influence in the M60 that saw use in Nam and more. If you asked some Vietnam-era soldier if he knew his weapon was descended from a niche Nazi design, he might just say>So what? We did it better than they did.>Even if Char could secure some leftover Axis suits, there's no way to support them. The factories that created spare parts are gone or shut down. Given the fucktons of Neo-Zeon groups around, I assume a number of them ran to the nearest semi-legitimate looking Zeon with their working mechs and engineers. They gave Axis to Char so I assume the Feds just let him claim remaining factories and prayed he doesn't drop it on them.
>>22871096Oh yeah that's right there were syrian rebels using stg44s and measuring their rusty mortars with ipads. Some places have the most schizophreniac technology where a fucking mud hut housing some WWII-era artillery that's being guided by a brand new generation IPad.
>>22871096>They're just weapons.Not to everyone. To some people, like the Zeon remnants, their suits have become symbols. It's also why the Federation government scrapped almost ALL Titans ships and mobile suits after Zeta Gundam. The Titan's equipment had become so deeply associated with Titan ideology that the Federation was willing to destroy all of it....despite the Federation being in a massive economic depression and needing to rebuild their military. The Titans were that bad that no one wanted to use their leftover ships and equipment.
>>22871077To be honest it's one of those lore factoids that have just become part of the background even if it doesn't really make any fucking sense. They already had recombining modular in 0079 with the Gundam and various G-parts, and the Bawoo and ZZ proves that it's still very much possible. That means the only reason they didn't do it was either incompetence or some kinda stupid "save pennies to waste dollars" mentality to .Look at the Hizack being defective and unable to power two separate beam weapons, it was later clarified to be an defective reactor on the early production units and fixed on the later ones.. but why the fuck does that even matter, beam sabres are supposed to run on batteries anyway so they would only draw power when in the recharge rack, but once it's finished recharging it's not gonna draw any more power. Unless the Titans are so poor that they can't pay their electricity bills and they're trying to save power by sending Hizacks out with dead weapons that need to be recharged at the start of a battle, it doesn't make sense, it should only be a drain on the reactor if the Hizack starts firing and/or has used its beam sabre, not BEFORE.How about the beam magnum simply having so much recoil it breaks regular MS arms? I can sort of understand that if fired under gravity, but in space the recoil would just push the entire MS back, or maybe spin the MS around on an axis. Why the fuck doesn't any other BFG do that, the ZZ Hi mega cannon forehead blast doesn't tear off its own head. Some fan explanations thought that the beam magnum just draws a lot of power and shorts out the arm which is a little less retarded, but later depictions like Banagher's Silver Suppressor with the reloadable arms and that stupid fucking manga Gundam Mark II with the gigantic fapping arm just doubled down on the explanation that the beam magnum just has massive recoil and there's nothing they can apparently do about the weapon.
>>22871319The Beam Magnum clearly has an EMP component to it with the fact its got electricity surging around it in most depictions, the Arms are literally getting EMPed every time the suit fires the damn thing and only the Unicorn through pure Psycho Bullshit could endure those shots, stuff like the MK2 had arms that if it got lucky to take a shot without being rendered non-operational, and the Silver Bullet has to replace the arms after every shot because said arms aren't shielded so they get fried with every shot.
>>22871096Remember when Israel was so hard-up for weapons that they bought a shitton of formerly German K98 rifles to arm their fledgling army in the late 1940s and 1950s, and would continue using some of them in specific roles up until the 1970s? Not even all of them had the Nazi eagle swastika markings removed\defaced\covered.https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/german-98k-rifle-in-israeli-service/>>22871143>The Titans were that bad that no one wanted to use their leftover ships and equipment.The Feds didn't want them, but others did. Post-OYW Zeon republic is sometimes shown operating Hizacks, there were a couple of random Titans suits seen in Neo Zeon service during ZZ that might be captured units, and we also saw Marasais in Unicorn in the hands of remnant Zeeks.
>>22871319>>22871347I don't think I saw any Alexandria ships being used after Zeta. Barzams were all gone too right?I like to think that Neo Zeon took one look at the Titans suits and said "LOL. These are pretty much Zeon style suits. Thank you for the donation."
>>22871328>The Beam Magnum clearly has an EMP component to it with the fact its got electricity surging around it in most depictionsCrackling electricity doesn't necessarily mean EMP, it's just really common as a dramatic visual effect, and minovsky particles mean everything has to be shielded to a minimum certain level anyway. It's not like the radio cuts out and cockpit monitors go blank every time the beam magnum is fired.>>22871359>I don't think I saw any Alexandria ships being used after Zeta.Exactly one shows up in Victory Gundam, it's a surplus warship donated by the Feds to the League Militaire. They use it as a regular warship for a couple of episodes and then sacrifice it as a microwave emitter weapon to make the enemy Zanscare troops shit their pants uncontrollably when they get too close.>Barzams were all gone too right?F90FF manga and the related Monthly Mobile loredumps show that some Barzams were kept in service by some colonies and groups for a while as local defense units.
>>22871359>>22871370The Gaunland, as seen in Victory Gundam episode 21. It's really weird for an Alexandria class, explanation with image coming.
>>22871319I personally like to believe that Amuro doesnt like transforming mobile suits. That's why his performance with them is so unremarkable, and why he dumps the RE-GZ backpack without giving a crap. He wants a humanoid form for his suit. Even if Re-GZ could redock, Amuro wouldn't want it. He has too many bad memories of the G-Bull and G-Armor
>>22871387While the Alexandria class from Zeta was basically a Feddy version of the Musai but scaled up and given angular edges instead of a curvy hull, the Gaunland had a ton of changes. They totally filled out the empty gaps at the rear so the entire ship is now more of a general wedge shape. That said, the attached pic with overlay gives you an idea of where the original ship's hull matches and what changed in this ~65 year old version.The forward hangar doubled in size, and the catapult was moved forward a bit. The distinctive radiator fins at the rear of the bridge and on the sides of the engines are still there. The entire rear half's engine compartment got remodeled and is now more in line with the kind of rocket engines that the Clop, Ra Cailum, and refitted Nahel Argama have, as well as including a rear hangar deck.
>>22871359>>22871370Basically it seems that the Barzam variants managed to escape the stigma usually associated with other Titans MS, and ended up as a mild but reliable MS for rear-line, reserve, unimportant roles. It had some modular internals that made it relatively easy to update and keep running for nearly 30 years.
>>22871399I appreciate this.
>>22871418Just letting you know I didn't create the comparison pic. There's no signature on it, but it looks like the kind of thing that Mark Simmons probably made. Tthere's a bunch of other neat diagrams to look at if you like more of the same including scale comparisons, which is also where I found the Alexandria and Gaunland picture. Some of the images from the first link are dead since it's from over 10 years ago, but some still work and might be found at the second link.https://www.mechatalk.net/viewtopic.php?t=15751https://ultimatemark.com/gundam/images/
>>22871387Perfect example of why external catapults are a terrible idea. Who wants to launch when all that flak and beams are flying everywhere? The pilot would be totally exposed and vulnerable for several seconds or more.
>>22871435couldn't they just aim down the tunnel and score a triple kill with a covered catapult
>>22871449You would have to be directly in front of the catapult door and be close enough while avoiding flak fire.
>>22871461have you noticed that because ships don't want to shoot down their own MS, the flak guns are usually aiming everywhere except the catapult's path?
>>22863753Didn't Amuro almost killed Char's second in command in such a gimped suit? His beam rifle shot was inches away from penetrating the Doga's cockpit.
>>22871579Yep, Gyunei was fucked without Char's support.
>>22871636>>22871579
>>22871579i'd argue that's more so a testament to Amuro's skill, when he was in a superior suit Gyunei didn't even know what hit him
