What exactly is it about late UC-Gundam productions like F91 and Victory so much less popular than the earlier works? It feels as if the only things anybody ever has to say about them are the behind-the-scenes details like how F91 was supposed to be a whole show and Victory was Tomino before his meds. Do they really just not stand up on their own merits?It'd be really sad if the only actual reason was because they had nothing to do with the earlier conflicts or Zeon.
>>22944455Assuming this thread is in good faith both F91 and Victory are just sub-part productions for the most part. You can like them but F91 is literally an unfinished mess and Victory is the ramblings of a crazy person, most of Victory is good but there are quite a lot of different things for many different people to dislike.In fact probably the only consistent positive people bring up with these is they AREN'T just "dude zeon lmao" again so I have no idea where your last sentence is coming from.
>>22944462Also the fact that people still consistently ask for a Crossbone anime shows there is certainly an interest in Late UC, it's just that the two current Late UC anime we have are plagued with issues.
>>22944455F91 is decent. It just feels like what it is: a bigger story condensed awkwardly into a single movie. If it were a trilogy or even just a pair of movies it would work a lot better. Victory is a weird ride, but despite the weirdness it mostly feels uninspired to me. It's not a bad show, though. It's still one of the best Gundam series and I'd take it over just about any AU.
>>22944505>The average Gundam fan both in Japan and overseas...The average Gundam fan both in Japan and overseas just watches Sneed.
>>22944483Victory is in transition period after bandai acquired sunrise, and bandai kept intervening in the production making it toy-friendlyTomino went full seethe and turned a somewhat bright story into a gloomy nuclear warfare plus useless some weird religious shits and stylish death expo
>>22944628Then what's the actual story?
>>22944455I like Victory over double zeta
>>22944533There’s a lot of misinformation about Victory. It’s more likely it had the giant bikes because Tomino is a massive bike autist himself.The show isn’t perfect of course, but I think a lot of people who shit on it (and so, lead to other not seeing it) have not actually seeing it and just repeat what someone else told them. A lot of people despite saying they are tired of the OYW refuse to go past the Federation vs Zeon conflict. Even the Titan and AEUG are far less popular despite Zeta having a lot of fans.91 is a similar case to a lesser degree. A lot of people think it was a canceled 50 episode when the truth was that they weren’t sure about doing a short show (see : 10/12 episodes) or a movie from the start, Tomino decided it to be a movie because it was clearer and someone had to decide because nobody else wanted to do it. Not that much was cut from the final product. You can perfectly understand the story easily (hell it even got a dub for the anti sub fags, and a pretty good one at that too)Also, people still says Tomino hates VGundam when he actually praised it pretty recently. I think Tomino wanted to avoid talking about it to not fall back in the bad place he was at the time (lad was on the verge of killing people it was that bad, it was the breaking point of a decade of depression and mood swings). But he accepted the past as he got older.
>>22944462Wasn't F91 planned to be a movie from the start?
>>22946438There was some hesitation and the higher-ups didn't decide exactly what format it was gonna be early on, they took a little too long to decide to make it a movie and that somewhat negatively affected production.https://ultimatemark.com/gundam/production/gundamf91.htmlhttps://ultimatemark.com/gundam/production/gundamf91_officialedition.html>>22945276>It’s more likely it had the giant bikes because Tomino is a massive bike autist himself.Nah, even Tomino thought the idea was crazy. After the order to include motorcycles was made by a Bandai executive producer, Tomino went out of his way to actually put in effort to incorporate motorcycles into the story instead of fighting it or intentionally doing a shit job of it to spite the guy.https://www.ultimatemark.com/gundam/production/vgundam.html>We were led to [motorcycles] because there was one other shadow producer. It was someone at Bandai at the time, and because this person exercised his power, we were forced to include stupid things like motorbike battleships.>I was summoned to the Bandai head office for the first time in my life, and this executive told me directly, "Put in battleships." I said, "If we're really going to have battleships float and fly around on the surface, then we could even have motorbikes flying around, right?" He said "Make them fly," and I said "You're really serious.">The people at Bandai now may not like it, but those were the words of an executive who had overwhelming power at Bandai. It was an exercise of authority, and he told me, "If you don't do this, we'll have you step down." When I wondered whether a bike battleship would really work, he replied "It's cool, isn't it?">It was amazing that an adult thinking about running a business could be convinced he was a creator. Even today, he has absolutely no idea how crazy that is, and I think it's an incredible thing that can ruin companies and even nations.
>>22946625And the Motorads do end up coming off as both ridiculous and kind of terrifying.
F91 is too "small", it's just one movie that could really benefit from being decompressed.Victory has a lot of things that can easily irk people- the first eps being shuffled, Shahkti in general, a lot of the Zanscare mecha designs being rather... off. Shrikes existing solely to die repeatedly. I adore Victory, but can see why plebs might not.
>>22944533>weird religious shitsthis was left over from f91. a lot of the ideas they were going to use for the larger f91 story before it got truncated into a movie were rolled over into the next production which was victory.
>>22948888F91 even in the "full series" plan was like 10 episodes, it wasn't a full one like VictoryDidn't Tomino had some supervision of the first crossbone manga?
Victory is pretty cool, a lot of flaws throughout it but what Gundam series doesn't have those. It's a little pocket of UC that isn't tainted by endless Zeon or Zeon Remnant-like factions. F91 too but I just wish the film had a bit more time to focus on the Ronah family and Zabine.
