Is the new game any good? I liked Cyber sleuth but didn't finish the DLC because it was the same as the base game, and by that point it got pretty repetitive

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These are Time Stranger's DLC1 Digimon. Say anything about them.

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天馬トモロウ (Tenma Tomorou)
>天馬 (Tenma) means Pegasus/flying horse, alludes to the constellation
>トモロウ (Tomorou) is a play on "Tomorrow"
>Also the volitional form of 灯る (tomoru; to be lit, to be lighted, to be burning) (ie. 灯ろう tomorou; would be like let's be lit up)
ゲッコーモン (Gekkōmon)
>Play on gecko and 月光 (gekkou) meaning moonlight, hence the mark on its forehead
グローイングドーン (Glowing Dawn)
>Dawn is the time following night, the rising sun and the real beginning of the day, often symbolic of hope and new beginnings
五行星 (Gogyousei)
>Five Planets
>Refers to five planets 火星 (Mars), 水星 (Mercury), 木星 (Jupiter), 金星 (Venus), and 土星 (Saturn)
>Refer to the five Chinese classical elements (Wuxing) of 火 (Fire), 水 (Water), 木 (Wood), 金 (Metal), and 土 (Earth)
>Also to five days of the week 火曜日 (Tuesday), 水曜日 (Wednesday), 木曜日 (Thursday) 金曜日 (Friday), and 土曜日 (Saturday)
>Worth noting that there are five animals associated with these elements, namely Tiger (Fire), Snake (Water), Crane (Wind/Wood in this case), Monkey (Metal), and Mantis (Earth), and we've seen a mysterious monkey Ultimate while the guy associated with Metal in the opening looks to be the most ominous
>Monday is 月曜日, which refers to the moon (Gekkomon connection) and Sunday is 日曜日 which refers to the sun (Glowing Dawn connection)
沢城キョウ (Sawashiro Kyou)
>Kyou is homophonous with 今日 (today)
咲夜レーナ (Sakuya Rēna)
>Sakuya is homophonous with 昨夜 (last night)
久遠寺マコト (Kuonji Makoto)
>久遠 (kuon) means eternity, and maybe you can stretch the meaning of ji to the visually 時 (time)

So we have astronomical and time themes.

So my question is: How is Gekkomon going to evolve to fit all this, and how to the other partner Digimon (red panda/wolverine, bat, cougar/wolf) fit in?

Twitter post said that with this episode, Gekkomon has now broken the record of not evolving.
Maybe next week bros...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsBT4wUgm-A
Episode 9 preview.

>>23635461
After he didn't evolve in ep 5 I'm just gonna assume that his evolution is gonna be the end of cour climax, so I'd say 3-4 more eps

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How was Beatbreak's 8th episode?

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I love her

>>23635461
Chiropmon evo first before Gekkomon.

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Here's your Gekkomon Digivolution bros

>>23635995
They'll do the Makoto episode but they're not going to debut an evolution bank sequence for Chiropmon before Gekkomon. But I am starting to wonder if this series will even have bank sequences with insert songs, that's half the fun of Digimon anime. It's gone pretty far without them. Even if Guilmon was episode 8 of Tamers, Galgomon and Kyubimon debuted with EVO several episodes before.

>>23636005
They have a Champion evo and an Ultimate evo since the start of the story (Wolvermon and Murasamemon), but they don't have insert songs. Maybe like Kamen Rider Ghost and Gavv, this show might forgo insert songs altogether to save money.

Okay, different topic. Is anyone guilty of repainting a Japanese Digivice? Any model that does appear in the show (01, D-3, D-Ark, D-Scanner, iC, Xros Loader), but ones that act like v-pets or collector gadget.

>>23635995
Glurpbros not like this...

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>>23635298
>グローイングドーン (Glowing Dawn)
>>Dawn is the time following night, the rising sun and the real beginning of the day, often symbolic of hope and new beginnings

Tomorrow's hair is colored like the rising sun at dawn. Hence Tomoro. It sounds weird but the promo art has a purple sky and orange sun so it's pretty obvious. Also for some reason venus, the morning star was in that promo image.


People figured out their Digimon will be Gokuwmon, MarinChimeramon, Lilamon, Lamiamon and Progeramon because we were shown silhouettes too.

>>23636622
>using Lilamon again after Rosemon was reused for Mimi in tri./Colon
It's over for Yoshino

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>>23636642

I forgot to mention Lucifer is the morning star.

>>23636641
I get a weird feeling its going to evolve into Hydramon to match the color of the crystal but it's a stretch I know. It's just everyone else would have colors that match.


>SaitenGokuwmon's hair
>Tons of blue water Digimon for MarinChimeramon
>Medusamon is pink
>Pyramidmon is close to orange bricks

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>>23636662
I have an inkling this brat is related to Makoto.

>>23636641
It could also be Toropiamon, just like the silhouette he's claiming is Lamiamon could be Volcamon

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>>23636646
Well Gokuwmon is right on the money for being a Chinese-inspired monkey associated with the metal element.
Lamiamon is a snake, but it's associated with Fire/Mars here instead of Water/Mercury.
And the others fit their element but I was hoping for them to use the animals and I was even expecting some new Digimon. I had forgotten Gokuwmon was a thing and I didn't even try to examine the silhouettes.

I'm interested in what they could do with Lucemon again. He was so perfect in Frontier, especially with Falldown Mode voiced by Ryusei Nakao. Didn't they use him in Xros Wars too, but in his Child state?

>>23636763
>Didn't they use him in Xros Wars too, but in his Child state?
They used him as Child and Falldown IIRC in the election episode

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>>23636005
It was only in the first episode so far but fwiw we already do know what the evolution sequence looks like this season

>>23637430
I completely forgot about that, it's been so long. Well at least it exists, even if I don't think I can necessarily call that an evolution insert song. It's also surprising they haven't used it as bank animation since then, because usually Digimon was pretty brazen in using it to fill runtime.

>>23635298
>How is Gekkomon going to evolve to fit all this, and how to the other partner Digimon (red panda/wolverine, bat, cougar/wolf) fit in?

It may be an obvious guess, but I get the feeling the whole point is the Glowing Dawn partners don't/won't fit in besides a rough approximation of elemental alignment, Gekkomon's possible Tsukuyomi connection notwithstanding. Wolvermon's mechanized arms should make her Metal, but her attacks involve explosives or fire itself. Murasamemon's attacks all have "rain" in their names, but his profile also connects him to mountainous regions (Earth). Chiropmon doesn't really fit any traditional element, unless you connect sonar waves to water waves.
I'm spitballing a lot here, but the main point is that the associations are probably intentionally muddled to go along with the idea of breaking traditional systems.

Do we have a magma.com page for drawings?

>>23634332
Happy anniversary.

>>23637713
We do have Kaguyamon, and I expect that she is actually Tsukuyomimon's kagemusha (considering she's just the princess of the moon and not a literal god like Tsukuyomi or Chang'e/Jougamon was) when we eventually see the Tentei Hachibushu in a grander project. Maybe Wood like Kaguyamon?

>>23637839
I was going to bring up Gekkomon being based on a forest animal aligns with the Wood element, even more so since its associated with new beginnings, but being aligned with Thursday threw things off. Maybe I'm just overthinking it.

>>23635834
It wasn't a bad episode, but it felt like the social commentary was better showcased previously when it wasn't the main focus. I know it was intentional, but I just can't be assed to care about Hitomi returning or the victims of the week, besides Kuramon. Tomoro was right, screw that rotten place.

Next episode should be fun, though, since it's finally Mokoto's turn to get some focus. The psycho brat and Shademon look like they may be an interesting fight too.

>>23638353
>but it felt like the social commentary was better showcased previously when it wasn't the main focus
It felt to me like a discarded Ghost Game plotline recycled for Beatbreak.

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Happy 58th birthday, Kazuya Nakai.

>>23636000
One of my favorite anime plane designs, it's really cool, even wanted to make it out of legos at one point.

>>23638681
>Roronoa Zoro
>Gaomon line from Savers
>Angoramon line from Ghost Game
>Tenma Asuka

I feel like he's a recurring voice actor just because Hirata Hiroaki (Sanji) casts such a major shadow over the anime, being the most recurring voice of Adventure outside of the Chosen Children and their Digimon.
>Narrator
>Leomon (also in Tamers and X-evolution)
>Yamato and Takeru's dad (same name too)
>Yamato and Takeru's maternal grandfather (raises many questions about their mother marrying a man just like her father)
>Young Gennai
>Older Takeru
>Tons and tons of additional voices
And they also name father characters after him, like even Takuya's dad is named Kanbara Hiroaki

I really like the outro, animation and song

Time Stranger question, I didn't get the materials for Agnimon and Wolfmon, am I seriously locked out of them until late game? Right now I just encountered Neptunemon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ahl5QHLqv4k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTDYs6QZr68
Episode 9's longer preview.

>>23639326
You should be able to freely travel to the human world at some point in the mid game through Pegasmon in Rebellion Village.

>>23638353
Speaking of social commentary,
>next episode they go to a shangri-la egg
>as per the preview it's infested with a giant gold turd digimon

>>23639326
From that point, you can buy the Spirits again after around 4 more dungeons I think

Just gonna ask. Is beatbreak anything like Adventure 2020 or Ghost Game?

>>23639537
>>23639619
Oh thank god. Kinda sucks that I missed the initial ingredients.

>>23639629
is this a trick question
i like it better so far, but there didnt happen that much yet

>>23639629
It's closer to Ghost Game since it's essentially "[genre] + Digimon", but it's truly its own thing and works well since cyberpunk just enhances elements that are already inherent to the franchise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkGIR2lAjAA

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https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1993515057255211326

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va-ZMGJo31w
Nozawa.

Sex with Venusmon

>>23640913
Fuck that’s cute

>>23641011
This but Ceresmon Medium

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https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1993590558124581217
New voting session.

>frontier has no digimon companions
>Fairymon fucking loses her introduction fight

Alright, what the fuck were they thinking?

>>23641555
They saw that people liked the way the kids evolved to mega in the last part of Tamers and thought to themselves "that must mean the kids don't want partners anymore". Honestly it would've been fine if the spirits actually talked, worst part is they clearly show close to the end of the show that the spirits are all fucking sapient and aware of the shit going on but they're just keeping silent for ??? reasons.

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>>23641555
>frontier has no digimon companions
ahem

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https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1993869887761186890

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqob5rvQE3g

>>23641636
I'm still at a loss for why they didn't just make fusing with their partners the main evolution gimmick from the start. Or at the very least have the Spirits gain more prominence and be able to chime over time. But Frontier is a season of squandered opportunities.

https://digimoncard.com/digimon_liberator/viewer/index.php?cgi=/digimon_liberator/api/diazepam_hai.php&file=face.xml&colophon_type=embed&colophon=/digimon_liberator/en/comic/colophon_20_2.php&splash=/digimon_liberator/en/images/comic/chapter/20_2.jpg?v02&splash_delay=1&logo=/digimon_liberator/images/common/pc/logo_header.png?v2&margin=0&colophon_size=600_960&continue=2&param=ErKjdU94HVVAcI9InSaEfYQUp9xx7oGy1z1IuhAD1Kd6SDCzw48cyLsJW8AAJAxeF%2Bs79ozSVwObGwqAwdj6F220gCHz6ULSeRWGSlaz2NU%3D
New Liberator chapter.

>>23642266
>>23642329
>>23642572
Owen what the fuck did you do?!

>>23642329
Nice Styracosaurus you got there.

>>23642325
They don't even look like Digimon. They could be mascot characters from any Jump manga.

https://twitter.com/digimon_games/status/1994043533804687761
Zwart Defeat.

>>23642266
>>23642329
I hate the stupid face in it's mouth.

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After storytiming V-Tamer, Next and the contest oneshots, I'm going to storytime the Xros Wars manga.

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First chapter done.

finally finished 02 after Tamers and 01.
was this show made by a different team? it was very low in quality compared to the other two.

the new children are insufferable, and they are so irrelevant, besides Daisuke who saves their useless asses with wholesome speech every single battle.
Miyako and Iori are both annoying.
Miyako had one of the most annoying characters I have ever seen in anime, maybe after Haruhi Suzumiya.

The writing is awful.
The villains are awful, besides Demon, who didn't get much screen time.
The new songs are meh
The main characters' digimon are mostly ugly.
Shakkomon? Silphymon? two fucking ponys? gross

and seriously? they had to bring the worst villain from 01 (Vampedom) as the final antagonist instead of continuing the fight with Demon who is still alive?
also what the fuck was the purpose of Takeru? he literally didn't do anything significant in the show. who was just there 99% of the time.
Hikari got a downgrade personality, being a stupid coward too, who needs "Daisuke/Tailmon wholesome speech" to fight most of the time.


and why tf they made Ichijouji and Miyaho get married? they literally had no interactions before.

that being said.
I'd die for Wormon. such an awesome cutie. he had the best moments in the show getting shit all the time but still had hope in Ken.

4/10 show
Tamers: 9/10
01: 9/10

now gonna watch Tri

>>23644311
>now gonna watch Tri
May Yggy have mercy on you

>>23643875
thanks

>>23641636
I think it's fine enough. Frontier is the series that most resembles Adventure in terms of the initial premise of taking place mostly in the Digital World. Tamers is the reverse of Adventure, where the first, second, and fourth cour are all human world, and only the third cour is the Digital World.

Digimon as an animated medium up to that point focuses on how the presence of Digimon encourages the growth of the human characters. In Adventure, it's about their partnership and dynamics, with the Digimon being a generally static character. In Adventure 02, it's how Digimon connect people worldwide. In Tamers, the Digimon themselves (barring Terriermon and the secondary Digimon) grow along with the humans. In Frontier, the main theme is about coming to understand one another to connect, and that's done by the child "becoming" a different being, a Digimon. It gives them a different perspective, they walk in the shoes of others. I don't think this is inherently bad, it's just different. Frankly speaking, the closest Digimon had been to the virtual pets was with V-Tamer, which had
>One-way evolution
>A relationship between Tamer and Digimon having that personal connection, but it being more about the Tamer raising that Digimon
>A major focus on win rate, which is a criteria for evolution in the v-pets
>The major rivalry being between Tamers, not Tamers and Digimon. Even with Demon as the main antagonist, Neo was serving that role for most of the story
And no anime has really captured that to a significant degree, so I don't think Frontier is any less "Digimon" than the other series. If we counted Digital World presence, it would be
>Adventure - 75%
>Adventure 02 - 50%
>Tamers - 25%
>Frontier - 100%
And then there's X-evolution, which lacks any human presence and is just Digimon, but I think you NEED humans to make Digimon work.

>>23644311
I liked 02. It began preproduction right around the time the writing quality in Adventure begins to falter in Tokyo, which I place as being the Tailmon switches sides episode. It was obviously going to happen, but it's done so quickly and Tailmon has no qualms with this that it lacks impact, it's a poorly-paced plot development. There are similar issues throughout the Dark Masters arc.

02 has the same showrunner, and most of the staff is the same, but it feels like too many cooks in the kitchen. The core theme is about how Digimon connects people, as it was blowing up worldwide at the time and Bandai was really proud of this. Kakudou, the showrunner, would try to incorporate the movies into the story, but he had no involvement in the movies themselves. For example
>Mamoru Hosoda is responsible for Taichi/Sora in Our War Game, Kakudou's plan was always Yamato/Sora and this threw a wrench into his plans so he had to write in a scene where Taichi gives Sora the go-ahead to give her gift to Yamato
>Hikari was in the first movie, but the first movie being part of the same continuity as the TV anime wasn't decided upon for a while into the production of Adventure. There was this early idea that each medium of Digimon would have its own Taichi protagonist (ie. manga, movies, TV anime, games, etc.) Similarly, Adventure's arcs were written arc by arc, and only the ending (aka 02's epilogue) was decided from the beginning, but when 02 was announced, it got pushed to be for 02
>Our War Game has minor inconsistencies with the end of the TV anime (it was released 4 episodes before it ended), like showing the physical crests for evolution sequences (something removed for HolyAngemon's sequence in 02) or having Mimi's hat in her room

>>23644311
>>23644870
>Episode 14 of 02 aired right before the third movie, and is the first time Miyako mentions having seen Omegamon in OWG despite seemingly having no awareness of Digimon at the beginning. This episode also introduces a blonde American Chosen Child, Michael, and the idea that there are international Chosen Children
>Omegamon only makes a visual appearance in episode 27. The fourth movie shows that Yamato can Warp Evolve Gabumon to MetalGarurumon when the anime made it clear that he had given up that ability, and only Taichi got it back to fight BlackWarGreymon
02 also has what I call "excuse writing", or maybe I should say "White Out writing", where a plot point goes unaddressed for so long that you don't even know it's a plot point until by the time it comes up, it feels like a weak excuse. Specifically for limiting evolution to Perfect and beyond, this is only revealed in episode 27. Angewomon is shown in the opening and ending, appears in the Konaka episode, and also in the third movie and even all the way up to Holydramon, there's never any sense that it's limited beyond the Dark Towers. Or, and this one ended up being my favorite because of just how out of nowhere and over the top it is, Takeru suddenly having this pathological hatred of darkness and this trauma that's been holding onto for nearly 60 episodes without it ever having been mentioned, the narrator has to exposition dump it on us.

Characters are also written somewhat inconsistently based on the writer, like Daisuke will go from brat to your best friend. But I will argue against what you said about Hikari, because Adventure Hikari isn't even much of a character. She's in the bottom three along with Takeru and Sora, and she and Takeru grow into their 02 selves who have a bit more agency. Miyako can be grating, but I love the episode where she and Iori come to their senses when they realize that sometimes killing is the only solution. I really like Iori as a character.

>>23642418
That was the original concept back when Frontier was a colosseum style tournament. Takuya would have fused with his partner Flamon to participate in tournament battles

>>23644878
>02 also has what I call "excuse writing", or maybe I should say "White Out writing", where a plot point goes unaddressed for so long that you don't even know it's a plot point until by the time it comes up, it feels like a weak excuse.
The funniest occurrences of this are the two "plot dumps" within the space of 10 episodes from Koshiro and Qinglongmon respectively. That's when you know the show is falling off a cliff.

>>23644311
>>23644870
>>23644878
Also, Miyako had a crush on Ken in the early stuff of 02, and the reveal that he's the Digimon Kaiser destroys everyone's image of him. I think this led to a good redemption arc where he has to do his part and atone and earn their trust, with Daisuke being there to help him. I think it also created a really nice dynamic between him and the guileless Iori, who had the hardest time forgiving him since he saw right and wrong as black and white dynamics. A lot of his story beats were about coming to understand that things are more nuanced and can change, and learning to forgive. For a younger kid who seemed to be more mature than Daisuke and Miyako, it really emphasized just how childish and innocent he still was in comparison, especially in the episode where he's forced to lie to get Joe out of his exam.

There are a lot of really good ideas in 02, a lot of stuff I like, and I think that the execution just doesn't always work. I love the stuff with Oikawa, the Christmas arc, the whole final cour, and I love how Agumon and later V-mon and Wormmon just straight up talk it out with BlackWarGreymon, even if the way his character concludes is less than satisfactory.

I like the epilogue, and I was blown away when I realized that the 02 kids are better friends than the Adventure kids, they're their own actual friend group who spend their free time and holidays together. Yamato was a loner, Takeru went to a different school and only knew Yamato, Hikari only knew Taichi, Sora was in the same class as Yamato and Taichi and in the same soccer club as the latter, so she was at least acquainted with Taichi. Mimi had her own female friend group that she immediately rejoined, Koushirou kept to himself and his computer, and Joe was at least a year older than everyone else. They all become friends, but in a "occasionally keep in touch" sorta way. Sora and Yamato would later date, and Taichi and Koushirou became genuine buddies.

>>23644892
>it really emphasized just how childish and innocent he still was in comparison, especially in the episode where he's forced to lie to get Joe out of his exam.
I find that string of episodes (11-16) to be completely out of character for everyone involved. And yes I include Konaka's episode in that.

>>23644881
Yeah, Qinglongmon is one of those problems. Adventure had the exact same problem almost around the same time with Homeostasis, who inorganically broke up the Taichi/Yamato fight (which I think was poorly set up) to drop exposition. Adventure's writing is a lot more "carrot on a stick" where the next arc feels completely disconnected and not foreshadowed. Count how many times you think they've "found the source of the distortion", it must be the Dark Masters, no wait, it's Apocalymon, no wait now it's 27 episodes into 02 and Gennai called the Adventure kids back into the Digital World in 2001 or something to give up their crests to seal a distortion or blah blah blah.

Speaking of the Dark Masters, ever notice how they land on an island after Whamon is killed and they defeat MetalSeadramon? They go into the forest on it, do all the Pinochimon stuff with the mansion in the forest, and then they continue their individual journeys... on a continent. The writers just forgot they were on a fairly small island. I'm not against the character beats that they go through (Mimi being sick of the fighting, Yamato's overprotective attitude towards Takeru and fight with Taichi, Sora's sudden cave of darkness thing), but they're all so abrupt that the execution leaves a lot to be desired. Not to mention how Pinochimon and Piemon get the bulk of screen time, but MetalSeadramon and Mugendramon are just simple two-parters, and Apocalymon is an asspull who is thematically fine but lacks any buildup beyond "sudden final boss"..

>>23644898
I felt Konaka's episode was out of character with Takeru and Hikari, but I didn't feel that about any of the other episodes you mentioned. There was a lot of movie synergy with the themes that were being tackled with Agumon being controlled by the Digimon Kaiser and Daisuke's hesitance to fight him, along with the actual little movie reminders that was episode 14.

>>23643875
Nene!

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>>23644905
>Speaking of the Dark Masters, ever notice how they land on an island after Whamon is killed and they defeat MetalSeadramon? They go into the forest on it, do all the Pinochimon stuff with the mansion in the forest, and then they continue their individual journeys... on a continent
I've never thought of it like that. I'd always assumed they'd ended up on different parts of Spiral Mountain.

>but I didn't feel that about any of the other episodes you mentioned.
To me they have always felt like the characters' personalities being forcefully changed to fit to the Digimental in question, and this goes for the supporting characters as well. Daisuke and Miyako starting to doubt themselves in episode 11 just didn't sit right with me and it still doesn't now. Likewise for Iori suddenly becoming so impulsive in wanting to find his Digimental in episode 16 and getting them all trapped in an underwater pipe.

You mention episode 14, but Mimi in particular is written so horrendously there she feels like tri. Mimi. For her to say "there are no evil Digimon" given what she experienced in 1999 is absolute nonsense and I'm staggered that line was included. Not to mention the needless Scumon/Chuumon punch which bears no relation to her Adventure treatment of the pair.

>>23644922
The Digimon Kaiser arc has shades of that throughout. Iori typically isn't an impulsive character even if he can feel strongly about things and get emotional, so you're right that he's written a certain way to facilitate the plot of the episode. The older Adventure kids have this feeling too, where they're also written in a way where they're trying to facilitate the direction of the plot. "Ooh, you actually really embody my crest so you take right after me!" feels somewhat unnatural. And Mimi punching Scumon and Chumon there is more or less supposed to be an iconography reference to her reaction to them and other "dirty" Digimon like Numemon early in Adventure, but it doesn't really acknowledge the growth she's gone through since and the trauma she felt watching those Digimon die. Personally I just think it's just supposed to show that things aren't as dire as they were in Adventure that she can treat them like comic relief.

Daisuke doubting himself with Agumon works for me personally because of the character dynamics at play. Daisuke looks up to Taichi, has a crush on Hikari, and he idolized Ken and was seriously hurt by the revelation that this kid he aspired to be like was in fact the monster responsible for all the terrible things that had been happening. So when he's put into a situation where it seems like the only solution is to kill Agumon, he hesitates, even with Taichi's blessing. As much of a brat he can be, he does care about and admire others. My favorite episode with him is the soccer match with Ken, because he allows himself to be humiliated without a moment's hesitation when he believes his friends are in genuine danger, and he wasn't even upset about losing the earlier soccer match. He's kind of all over the place (the previously mentioned Iori episode has him and everyone else be completely understanding and supportive of Iori, which only compounds Iori's guilt), but I think that wart is also one of 02's charms.

>>23644311
>now gonna watch Tri
I'm so sorry for you.

>>23644311
>was this show made by a different team?
Everyone who worked on 02 worked on Adventure except for the special guest writer, Konaka. The only difference is that the previous head writer was replaced by two writers who couldn't wrangle a coherent story.

>now gonna watch Tri
Condolences.

>>23645001
Yeah, the person in charge of series composition for Adventure was Satoru Nishizono (also did the scripts for episodes 1, 2, 8, 13, 15, 19, 20, 29, 32, 40, and 48), and he only came back to do the script of episode 8 for Adventure 02, which is incidentally one of my favorite episodes in terms of writing.

>>23645001
Ah, so it was Legend of Korra situation.

>>23644870
>Mamoru Hosoda is responsible for Taichi/Sora in Our War Game
Really? I would think more of the blame would go towards the movie's writer.

>>23645021
The scriptwriter for Our War Game was Reiko Yoshida, who was heavily involved in both Adventure and 02. While it's true that Kakudou didn't really tell anyone that he planned for Yamato and Sora to end up together, he attributed the movie to it happening because he had no involvement with any of them beyond the knowledge they were being made. A director has a lot of creative influence in all aspects of a work, including narrative. While the role isn't clearly defined, you can see so much of Hosoda's influence all throughout the movie, from the way conversations go to the humor to the setting and the pacing. He's talked about how the title was an homage to 1983's WarGames, and how he wanted "Bokura no War Game!" translated as "CHILDREN'S WAR GAME!" since the Japanese title uses "Bokura" (a boy's way of saying "our") and he wanted to emphasize that this extreme plot is happening with children. He's also talked about how the plot came about due to having a 40 minute time restriction and the amount of characters he could give focus to being limited by that, and how he had originally planned on making it a road trip movie. So I think he had a lot of narrative influence, writing the plot, while Reiko Yoshida wrote the script around that. The Taichi and Sora spat being an underlying thread was also likely his idea.

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>>23645036
Huh, the more you know.

>>23645039
I feel like Diablomon Strikes Back is probably the more conventionally popular choice compared to the third movie, but I have the hardest time respecting it.
>Third movie was all eggs in one basket, a full hour, nine animation directors, had a break in-between, after the massive success of OWG
>Make a big deal about having an American Chosen Child, the poster uses the American flag, ending theme is fucking called Stand By Me, how much more could they put into this
>Doesn't do anywhere near as well as OWG
>They panic and try to recapture the success of OWG by copying it
>Couldn't get Hosoda so instead they just tried to copy the look
>Diablomon is back, but more dangerous
>Omegamon is back, but he jobs to prop up the new kids
>Sora has to have all these moments where she seems to waver between Taichi and Yamato just to tease fans of a potential future that will never happen (it takes place 3 months after the final 02 episode, but was released before episode 46, so fans wouldn't have even known at the time that the epilogue confirmed that she ended up with Yamato, making the teasing seem bad in retrospect)
>tri. continues this

It's not a bad movie or anything, but I'd easily rank it at the bottom of the first five movies. Probably better than the Frontier movie though.

I didn't like how in 02 killing evil digimon was suddenly this big deal when they were murking the bad guys left and right.

>>23645089
*in 01

>>23645089
I think it's okay because of how it's set up. The characters spend 20+ episodes fighting the Digimon Kaiser who has been enslaving and abusing Digimon across the Digital World, and they've been saving them and taking back territory. It's not like Adventure where they were stuck and lost in the Digital World looking for a way out. The 02 kids can enter at will and it's often how they spend their free time. They're doing this out of the goodness of their hearts, though they make new friends and get to go on adventures as a bonus. So when Ken suddenly shows up after the defeat of the Digimon Kaiser and is shown killing a rogue Golemon (actually a transformed Dark Tower), the characters are appalled to see such an act, though they relent when they find out the truth.

Miyako and Iori in particular are dead set against killing Digimon, they were never put in a situation where they were required to as a form of conflict resolution. After all, they spent the whole series saving them. Daisuke doesn't show the same hesitation (maybe as character development from the Agumon thing, and he was willing to help Wallace in the movie), and Takeru and Hikari understand and affirm with one another that there are battles that just can't be solved peacefully after the Odaiba incident. There's also the fact that Digimon that are killed in the real world don't return to being a Digitama (Wallace movie notwithstanding, but even that was denied in a drama CD). But it takes until the Demon army appears for Miyako and Iori to realize just how naive they've been, and I really like how it's handled. It's one of those things that's obvious to the viewers who have been watching since the beginning, but those two characters in particular are where I think it's acceptable to have such reservations.

Though once again, Chocomon and Chimairamon both got annihilated with all characters present.

>>23644311
That's 02 for ya, 90% shit and 10% vaguely decent ideas

>>23645129
I think they're typically fine to good ideas, just with messy execution. I'm not inherently against the idea of HOLY CRUSADER TAKERU, VANQUISHER OF DARKNESS, it works with his whole Angemon line and it creates a potentially good dynamic with Iori who is learning to see things as shades of grey rather than black and white issues. But it's introduced so suddenly and with zero grace after the inciting incident that it comes off as hilariously bad. It's not the idea, but the execution.

Some of the things I hear people complain about with the epilogue (ie. Taichi becoming a diplomat between the real world and Digital World instead of a pro soccer player, Yamato not becoming a professional musician, certain pairings not happening) seem silly to me. Yeah, Yamato becoming an astronaut is pretty out there (and the remnant of an aborted Digimon Adventure 3), but I don't think that the things you were doing when you were 11 and 14 are necessarily the things that will define who you are for the rest of your life. Also the whole joke with Takeru and Hikari was that they weren't interested in each other romantically, it was just one-sided jealousy on Daisuke's part that Takeru starts to play into as a form of banter with him.

>>23645129
And most of the ideas were done better elsewhere.
>tall, dark and handsome anti-hero - Tamers
>heroes continuously fail until they don't - Frontier
>physical violence can solve a lot of things- Savers
>goofball sidekick villains - Xros Wars
>hearts going doki doki - Appmon
>Mimi - Colon
>random acts of horror - Ghost Game
>bad Adventure sequel - Tri

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>>23645682
>>bad Adventure sequel - Tri
10/10 post

It's time to accept Tri was good.

>>23645708
Hello, Motonaga-san

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>>23645708
No.

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Gekkomon evolution tonight, surely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIRbcunUneg
Episode 10 preview.

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The visual webm.

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How was Beatbreak's 9th episode?

The animation for this episode is pretty good so far. It feels much more relevant to the main plot than most of the previous ones.

>>23646683
The music was really good this episode relative to the other episodes. I'm surprised that the Makoto episode is the one doing the most heavy lifting out of every episode so far.

Next episode looks like they're doing Shademon (Haruko ver.).

>>23644870
i agree with you, i always liked 02 and the hate it gets to this day is stupid

>>23647156
You're acting as if the hate Zero Two gets is without foundation.

>>23647157
nobody says its a perfect show, but the amount of hate is def not called for

>>23647158
No, I would say it deserves the amount of hate it receives.

>>23647158
Rewatch it then. I liked it until the stupid filler eposides where they fly around with a poorly animated Imperialdramon Dragon Mode. Ending plot was just all around rushed shit and rehashing vandemon and not even animating a proper fight against him blew.

>>23644942
>Personally I just think it's just supposed to show that things aren't as dire as they were in Adventure
That in itself plays a huge problem with Zero Two. It turns the nature of the Adventure from "surviving a strange world" to "after school club".

>>23647233
>>23647157
>>23647164
>>23647203
I prefer Adventure, but Adventure is the best series out of any Digimon anime. Its Digital World manages to stoke the imagination more than any other. Phone booths on the beach, a cruise ship in the desert, an abandoned city in perfect condition, a random tree that you can enter and it's like a futuristic tube, etc. Even rewatching it 20 years later, I can see why I remembered so much of it from its original airing.

That being said, I still like 02, as messy as it is. It obviously takes a different approach, but it has its own distinct identity. I can't hate it for not being as good because then I'd hate every Digimon series except Adventure. I think its ideas and themes are fundamentally sound, but that they have significant execution issues. I said earlier that I'm not against Takeru acting the way he does around darkness, but the way it's introduced is so awful that it's hilarious.

The most controversial opinion I have is that I prefer talking about 02 to Tamers. Tamers is solid all the way through, it doesn't have much to complain about barring the truly boring and barren Digital World, and maybe its mysteries being more interesting when they were kept as mysteries. But 02 is more interesting to talk about because there's a lot more to it, a lot of background elements and more complex characterization that isn't totally spelled out, it's the same as Adventure in that regard. Meanwhile, Tamers shows you everything it is from start to finish, and I just don't think there's much to say about it other than "It's pretty solid". The character arcs are fairly straightforward. But when I read Kakudou's background information, like "We only gave [character] a specific birth month", I feel like there's so much more to that world than we know.
For instance
https://withthewill.net/threads/director-kakudou-gives-detailed-digimon-adventure-02-epilogue-background-lore-information-updated-w-more.30251/

>>23647324
>The most controversial opinion I have is that I prefer talking about 02 to Tamers.
I don't think that's controversial at all. I agree with what you've said entirely about it. Tamers ends up being too competent to discuss.

>>23647324
>But 02 is more interesting to talk about because there's a lot more to it
Not especially, honestly

>>23647333
I mean I think "there being more to it" inherently means "there is more to discuss".
I don't bring up Tamers much because there's just not a whole lot to say that hasn't been said in it.
Aijou to Nichijou is a fucking banger of an AiM ending theme
Dukemon is cool and I like how he outright speaks differently to the rest of Guilmon's line. That's one thing I noticed, that Guilmon, Renamon, and Impmon only have any real change in characterization with their Ultimates, and the rest of their character development isn't tied to evolution. Guilmon feels the same as Growmon feels the same as MegaloGrowmon, while Agumon feels like he "grows up" once he evolves, and not just literally.
SHIBUMI was cooler as a mystery, same with the rest of the Wild Bunch.
The fifth Tamers movie is really good, but the climax has significant pacing issues and the inclusion of Omegamon and tying Mephismon to Apocalymon is an eye-roller.
Alice looked like a dead spirit and Kakudou thought that too but he said it wasn't the intent when the character was written so that's just his interpretation and I guess that's all there is to say about that.
The Digital World being a reverse Dante's Inferno with layers is cool as a visual thing, but it doesn't really do much with it and they keep going back to the same damn wasteland.
Hirokazu and Kenta add less than the international Chosen Children from from 02 because at least that was part of 02's theme.

But it's not really much to actually discuss or dissect, Tamers is Tamers.

I’ve been watching digimon beatbreak.

Pandamon is cool. Is he gonna get leomon’d?

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>>23645708
no

>>23646683
Good, but frustrating. Not just because of the situation with Haruko and her dad, but managing to create a more infuriating set of antagonists than BlackGaogamon's owner. Also being a two-parter. Though once again I have to appreciate the world building, and how Makoto's backstory is being handled. Also interesting to see that Chiropmon had more misgivings about how he affected Makoto's life than Makoto himself.
I can't wait to see if Chiropmon evolves or not.

>>23647910
Keep watching. He gets a decent ending at least.

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>>23648313
>Not just because of the situation with Haruko and her dad, but managing to create a more infuriating set of antagonists than BlackGaogamon's owner.
Fingers crossed they get absolutely ruined next week. Wouldn't even be bothered if Shademon (Haruko Ver.) gets outright killed and Sunny loses his daughter for good. I know it won't happen but it would be deserved.

>>23648714
Honestly, I kind of hope Haruko is at least able to come to her senses. Sunny seems pretty far gone if he's willing to use his daughter like this, but she (and more importantly Shademon) at least deserves a second chance, though maybe that's that kid bias talking. That said, I agree they need to be BTFO.

>>23647203
The Christmas arc and the episodes that follow it is one of my favorite arcs in all of Digimon and it's central to showing just how international Digimon has become and how everyone is connected, one of the main themes of 02. It's also just good fun, especially when Taichi and Takeru meet the latter's maternal grandfather and kiss the French girl.

Really, my only major complaints with 02's final arc is that Vamdemon is kind of out of nowhere, though frankly I could say the same thing about Apocalymon who had even less material to work with, and BlackWarGreymon's conclusion really didn't amount of anything positive for him in the end.

>>23649042
Agreed, World Tour arc is the peak of 02.

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>Never lose to the digi-destined
>When he appears in the human world, he's literally untouchable.
>The next time they see him, he's partnered with a human
Son of a bitch got away with everything.

>>23649042
I liked the World Tour arc
But the episodes immediately after that with the Daemon Corps pisses away any good will

It's bad enough that HolyAngemon and Angewomon got nerfed (they should be able to kill these dark type viruses solo) but then it takes Shakkoumon and Silphymon to actually beat them?

And then all of the older kids had to give up the power to evolve to Perfect again just to power up Imperialdramon? Fuck that shit

>>23649252
Well, of course. Everyone knows Digimon get weaker the longer they're in the human world. But only specific ones, and only for that one episode and never again.

>>23649252
The Demon episodes were more of a promotion for V-Tamer than anything else, they weren't ever going to seriously use him as the final antagonist in 02. I think that one of the things people find annoying about Yggdrasil is that it was used fucking everywhere for a while after it was introduced, even up into tri. It was the X-Antibody backstory stuff with Chronicle, it was X-evolution, it was Savers, it was tri., it was games upon games. Same with the Royal Knights. It just got stale. And in tri. especially, the fake Gennai working for Yggdrasil makes that dumb offhand comment "Oh, maybe I'll go for Diablomon next, or Demon" as he walks off and is never spoken of again.

I say this knowing full well 02 uses BelialVamdemon, though he's almost a different character with how crudely he acts, and it's less about the nostalgia reference and more "We had no other thing we could attribute these actions to". But I liked the Digimon Kaiser and Oikawa and Arachnemon and Mummymom. I actually really like the kidnapping with Oikawa, Ken, the dark spores, and the children, and I love Oikawa's cheesy attempt to come up with a new name for Hikarigaoka to match the darkness ("Yamigaoka? Darkgaoka?").

Shakkoumon and Silphymon had to deal the killing blows to teach Miyako and Iori a lesson. They were being naive and they needed the tough love. Unfortunately since the original kids can't take the center spotlight of 02, they have to have reasons they're not leading the charge. It's not always written cleanly, but it's one of those things I just accept as a necessary concession, as it's not their show anymore.

>>23649429
>they weren't ever going to seriously use him as the final antagonist in 02
I do wonder who was going to be the final villain if those development notes are true.

>>23649429
>Unfortunately since the original kids can't take the center spotlight of 02, they have to have reasons they're not leading the charge. It's not always written cleanly, but it's one of those things I just accept as a necessary concession, as it's not their show anymore.
and that is why I was okay with them getting ass blasted by Alphamon in tri.

>>23649252
>And then all of the older kids had to give up the power to evolve to Perfect again just to power up Imperialdramon? Fuck that shit
I do like that Palmon is the only one who manages to avoid having to do this because she's in NYC with Mimi.

>>23649450
>she's in NYC with Mimi
>use the Digital Gate to instantly teleport Palmon to New York City for Christmas
>use Imperialdramon to individually drop people off around the world and pick them up again
I guess the rule of cool was too strong.

>>23649435
02's initial premise of the Digimon Kaiser was inspired by a news report from the 90s of a child who was considered so intelligent that he was being moved up to university (I think specifically Columbia University). The writing staff thought that such an overachieving child would be isolated from their peers and be very lonely, so they came up with the idea of a Chosen Child named Ken who excelled at everything but who would become corrupted, an antagonistic Chosen Child. Incidentally, this exact inspiration was reused for Kizuna with Menoa.

Upon the Digimon Kaiser's defeat, they quickly begin going into his origins. His complex relationship with his deceased brother, his early forays into the Digital World and meeting Ryo and defeating Millenniumon (mostly Kakudou trying to fit the WonderSwan games into the continuity), and Oikawa being an ominous figure from behind the scenes keeping an eye on him and allowing the dark infection to fester. So I think Oikawa at least is a natural extension, particularly as he tries to make an army of Digimon Kaisers out of "unexceptional" children, pushing them to their worst impulses as the dark spore grows in them.

It might have been better to create an original villain instead of BelialVamdemon, something that was a bit more thematically relevant. In Adventure:, Negamon isn't even really a character, but it's something that is built up in the series and serves as the opposite of Omegamon, so I think it at least works on that level. Maybe make 02's final Digimon antagonist some dark plant thing that plants its seeds in necks and feeds from them. I get Vamdemon is a vampire and can mentally manipulate people, but even if they made BelialVamdemon into a vampiric plant, I think that even could have worked.

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>>23649460
Well it is Mimi. If she wants Palmon in NYC via the Digital Gate, then she'll get Palmon in NYC via the Digital Gate.

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>>23649042
An interview for the Bluray said that they originally didn't plan for Okinawa, Mummymojn, Arachnemon of BelialVamdemon. It was going to be a Digimon that looked like Ken's dead brother who dismembered himself and threw his exploding limbs as an attack. He would keep shrinking and shrinking until he was nothing but an idea. But they got turned down because what the fuck. I'm not sure if it would have been better or worse.

If they gave up their powers to beef up Imperialdramon, why was Agumon still able to change into Wargreymon?

>>23649511
He went back to Azulongmon and asked for another Digicore

Of course using up the Digicores was what left the Gate between worlds vulnerable which is why BWG had to sacrifice himself to close it off

>>23649511
I think I remember Qinglongmon returning some of the power to Agumon so he and Taichi could take on BlackWarGreymon
The better question is why could Gabumon become MetalGarurumon in the movie?

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>>23649461
>It might have been better to create an original villain

I didn't see your post when I made mine but I found the source so:


>Now, in the second half of the series, Archnemon, Mummymon, and Yukio Oikawa made their appearances.
>The truth is, prior to coming up with those three, we had a completely different idea.
>We planned to have the reformed Ken Ichijouji be confronted by a young boy-like Digimon that looked almost exactly like Ken Ichijouji.
>But it was difficult to have him fight while in the form of a boy. On top of that, this Digimon’s special attack would involve cutting off a part of its body and having it explode. As a result, its body would become smaller and smaller, and in the end the children would be fighting this Digimon that had been reduced to only an idea, but it was utterly unsuitable content for a Sunday morning 9 AM show, and a single sentence of “give it up for now” from Yomiko Advertising’s Kyoutarou Kimura-san put an end to that idea.

Bonus:
>Mummymon’s initial design had to go through some changes so that it would be acceptable for broadcasting, but he was so cool-looking that I thought I might cry.

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>>23649510
That was one writer spit balling an out there idea. No actual planning came from it, but he did reuse the human-like Digimon idea for Archnemon and Mummy.

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I remember the day some Canadian kid won the contest to name this thing in those segments between commercials here.

>>23649530
Man I fucking loved this movie so much despite its huge flaws. The Cherubimon model in Time Stranger was amazing too.

>>23649510
>>23649527
At least this explains the Hurricane Touchdown "fever dream" writing session.

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>>23649532
Yeah, but no one uses "Datirimon", not even in the dub friendly reference book.

>>23649527
Maybe not that as an original villain, but I'm sure that it wouldn't have been too bad in practice. I think tying Ken to the final antagonist is the right call either way, whether it was Vamdemon manipulating everything from behind the scenes or something that resembled Ken himself. You know, compared to all of Adventure's "arc bosses" being generally unrelated to each other in any way beyond "Nightmare Soldier humanoid Virus of increasing level".

>>23649536
Genki Yoshimura wasn't credited for Hurricane Touchdown, but the movie had to have its tone lightened in the last minute. Was there a Dark Seed outbreak in the writing room?

>>23649570
More of a suggestion that 02 sent everyone who worked on it into insanity.

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>>23647324
>But 02 is more interesting to talk about because there's a lot more to it, a lot of background elements and more complex characterization that isn't totally spelled out, it's the same as Adventure in that regard
Not really, most of the shit that gets revealed only serves to point out that the show was doomed from conception and biggest issue in regards to everything post 02 content is that the cast is FUCKING BORING so it really services no one to know any of the shit.
>Meanwhile, Tamers shows you everything it is from start to finish, and I just don't think there's much to say about it other than "It's pretty solid
Konaka still runs a blog that gives tidbits about the production of Tamers and it really shows that even 25 years after its conception how much layers the show had and the insane amount of details that couldn't get into the show. I dunno seeing a conspiracy nut make a children's show is vastly more interesting to talk about than a guy with bad ideas throughout his entire career prove how much of a hack he always was. You say that Tamers isn't because its too good but I'll say that Zero Two isn't worth discussing because its bad and everyone knows why its bad so any new information that gets revealed doesn't lend much to discuss over.

>>23649583
I would say burnout, but then all the major writers went straight onto Tamers. So insanity may be right.

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https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1995266593920516225

https://twitter.com/MADKID_official/status/1994919304370769925

>>23649536
The reason Hurricane Touchdown was nuts was because two people had to write it over a weekend. I forget the writer but she told the story during a Digifes

I think alcohol was involved but dont quote me on that but I mean I wouldn't blame them.

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>>23649588
Wait what link to the blog? I had no idea he did this.

>>23649795
If I remember right it was producer Hiromi Seki who told the story, but the movie is credited to Reiko Yoshida who wrote all the Adventure/02 movies and several episodes.

>>23649588
I've seen Konaka's blog, and while I don't really keep up with it, the production info tends to be stuff like "This is the park in Shinjuku where we had Guilmon's home" or "I wasn't involved in the second Tamers movie but I was really impressed with how well they grasped Ruki's character and family life". I'm pretty sure that's also where I saw his post about Alice. But it wasn't anything that surprised me or really gave me new insight into the world. Once again, I don't keep up with it, but I thought it was fairly standard stuff.

I like Tamers, but nobody ever adds anything meaningful to the conversation. It's always "Tamers is the best series, Tamers is by the Lain guy, Tamers is the darkest, Tamers is so good, I want to fuck Renamon, Konaka got cancelled", as if any of that really constitutes a discussion. It just sounds like regurgitation to me. I don't feel like I ever gain any sort of insight or new thoughts, and I think part of this is a problem with discussion of Digimon in general. Most people aren't diving deep into anything, they're just watching and taking it in and saying the same talking points.

I am willing to update my opinions if there's valuable insight to be had. I've read Digimon Tamers 1984 and listened to Message in the Packet and Digimon Tamers 2018. But this "Everyone knows this is bad so we shouldn't talk about it" is anti-discussion. It's saying that you have an opinion that matches the group opinion and the group opinion is law and shouldn't be challenged. When I watched Digimon, I attempted to do everything chronologically, from reading V-Tamer chapters between the appropriate episodes, to reading about Hyper Colosseum when those were released, the v-pets, the Digivices and digital toys, and really looked into the production and Japanese side of it all. I would hope that I would have more worthwhile insight than the average person streaming the Saban English dub of 02 for nostalgia, completely removed from its context.

>>23649795
I don't have any major gripes with the movie plot-wise, seems fine enough even if Seraphimon and Holydramon and the Digimentals are out of nowhere. But that final battle is so bizarre with the direction and music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeE7jFmRVQI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm87Trsl_Ro

I don't dislike it, but it's definitely a choice. But I think anything coming immediately after Our War Game is going to be jarring.

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The vote results.

>>23649816
No offense man but the shit you're bringing up for Zero Two isn't particularly insightful or interesting either just proves that the show from its conception was a mess because nobody knew what the fuck they were doing throughout.

>>23649796
https://tamers2021.hateblo.jp/

>>23649837
I think the stuff that explains why 02 was the way it was is interesting.
>Series composition person changed from Adventure
>The number of Chosen Children double every year which is why the epilogue takes place in the year it does, since at that point, every person on earth has a Digimon
>A Digimon is an extension of the human's soul
>Taichi had a family long after everyone else because he was so busy
>Demon wasn't really fought because they were saving it for V-Tamer
>The 02 kids are better friends than the original Adventure kids
>Bandai was really happy with Digimon's international success which is why 02 has such a big focus on that

Watching as a kid, I had no idea "DNA Digivolution" was called Jogress, an established function from the v-pets starting with 1999's Pendulum series. It wasn't just pulled out of nowhere. And that's because the Pendulum v-pets were never released. The media synergy for Digimon outside Japan was almost non-existent. You don't know why things are the way they are. But there are still people to this day that believe Joe was in love with Mimi because of a Saban dub edit to the door of Mimi's house in Our War Game. There are still people who believe that the third movie has anything to do with Our War Game. I want to understand the why. I'll point out 02's warts, but I want to judge them fairly. Is it a fundamentally bad idea, or is it just bad execution?

In tri., I think Taichi's hesitation at mercy killing Meicoomon, because it would make him hold responsibility, is a bad idea because he went through this exact thing in Adventure and 02 and they treat it like it's a new struggle. Killing off the 02 off-screen months ago and then having the characters, especially Takeru and Hikari, barely mention it, is a bad idea and bad execution. I think the Adventure kids not having access to their Perfects in 02 is an okay idea, but executed badly.

>>23649861
>>In tri., I think Taichi's hesitation at mercy killing Meicoomon, because it would make him hold responsibility, is a bad idea because he went through this exact thing in Adventure and 02 and they treat it like it's a new struggle. Killing off the 02 off-screen months ago and then having the characters, especially Takeru and Hikari, barely mention it, is a bad idea and bad execution

I completely forgot about that. That was stupid. It at least made sense in Zero Two

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>>23649900
Very good.

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>>23649903
>>23639086
Masami Kikuchi's (Kurata) other roles.

For as memorable as Butterfly is, Adventure's ED's practically memory hole themselves.

Gabubond looks a lot better than Agubond.

>>23649951
Really? Personally I Wish is fairly memorable, even just for the opening rift and accompanying ED sequence. Keep On a little less so, but it's still decent.

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Happy 76th birthday, Shuichi Ikeda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0YfKxu6EaM
Time Stranger video.

>>23650229
>terrisuke voted for asuna
Kinda based.

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What are your thoughts on the googlehead of Tamers, Takato?

>>23650283
Pretty great

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https://twitter.com/dippermon/status/1995878167077421102
https://twitter.com/RavelMonte/status/1995865915410571655
The top 10 lists.

>>23650420
The only thing I can say is that I will always approve of the Beelzebumon love

>>23650420
>all this extyranomon love
I hope it gets a mega after this.

>>23649951
>>23650198
I wish is so distinctly 90s, it couldn't have come out at any other time. Not my favorite, but I like the music more than the actual singing.
keep on has a fun energy and that opening bass line is so good.
Ashita wa Atashi no Kaze ga Fuku is kind of boring, for some reason I remember it as a slideshow of rotating PNGs more than any other ending.
Itsumo Itsudemo reminds me of I wish in the sense that it feels so of its time, very beginning of the 00s, but I like it.
My Tomorrow is good, but it's completely overshadowed by the absolute king of Digimon TV endings by AiM
Aijou to Nichijou being that king, God it hits so hard in the episode it first appears
I forgot Innocent, but it's a pretty good Wada song for being an ending, but like My Tomorrow is overshadowed by the following ending, an Endless tale, which is a great way to cap off the original run of Digimon

>>23646023
god yes

>>23650283
It's alright. Not my favorite Digidestined but he was a good part of the Tamers cast.
Also:
>His OC comes to life.
>His parents own a bakery and he can eat whatever while learning the trade.
What a Gary Stu desu.

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https://digimon.net/fun/vote/
New voting session.

>>23651231
>Protagmons
>Liberator mons
>Mobile mons
I get the feeling most of these are already locked in for the next game. Some Digimon like Gammamon and Herissmon are super popular, so it'll be dumb not to already have them in contention

>>23651231
Terrisuke has my vote.

>>23651292
The only mon that realistically aren't auto includes in a game that was made in the last 3 years unlike time stranger are the Hybrids and Seekers.

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>MVP across 3 shows and 2 movies.

>>23652060
>manifests pupils temporarily to see how it looks
>creates special goggles twice that are used once
>buys everyone the same phone so they can use personalized phone cases
>most definitely programmed his own AI girlfriend/sexbot
>invited to Lui's birthday party but declined (too boring, even for him)
What a character.

>>23651231
Voted Koemon because he was robbed his spot in Time Stranger and that stupid chinese Gokumon monkey usurped him

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>>23652060
>>23652077
Don't forget he had to repeatedly deal with a literal force of nature. The less said about their tri. relationship the better

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>>23652117
Never finished Tri. Was that "relationship" addressed or did it vanish away by the last movie?

>>23652160
If I remember rightly I think it had pretty much vanished.

>>23652165
Same with whatever they were trying to set up between Taichi and Meiko, which I assumed was the point of her character. At the end, they have Taichi shyly make the call to her around Christmas to check up on her, but I never got the sense of any chemistry or real romance.

tri. also tried to do the brocon thing with Hikari, which had only ever been a thing in her debut episode by Hosoda, but they also tried to conclude that in their own clunky way. They certainly never gave Taichi's teacher the follow-up material he should have had considering he fucking died, and I never got any satisfaction with how they handled what's her face who wanted her Digimon back.

https://digimoncard.com/digimon_liberator/en/column/tips29/
Tips 29.

>>23651898
Loogamon is decently popular and he pairs up well with Dorumon/Ryudamon, so he's pretty likely to be in. It's Brigadramon that's in trouble since he's far less popular than Darkdramon

>>23650677
I mostly agree with your analysis, but I have to put Innocent so much higher. Much like I Wish, it's time capsule for the time period. But I'm probably biased since it's one of my favorites.

>>23652165
It had some decent teasing/build up until the plot kicked in and they didn't even try to fit it in.

>>23652650
>They certainly never gave Taichi's teacher the follow-up material he should have had considering he fucking died, and I never got any satisfaction with how they handled what's her face who wanted her Digimon back.

Thanks for tearing open an old wound, anon. Daigo and Maki's plot was such wasted potential. I'm still angry they had the perfect plot to springboard sequel movies and relegated it to a rushed tertiary plot in favor of stilted melodrama and Meiko's shaggy dog(cat) story.

>>23652650
>>23653201
To this day I can't believe how abysmal the entire tri. project was.

>>23653210
Can't wait for the eventual remakes that somehow fix none of the issues and instead make more

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Kenji Watanabe's wife passed away on Tuesday from cancer: https://twitter.com/jinke_jinke/status/1996530074162749590

>Since the end of October, we have had to cancel overseas events and meetings, and so on, causing great concern to everyone, and I sincerely apologize for that.

>My wife had been battling cancer for several years, but at the end of October, her condition suddenly worsened, and she received a prognosis of limited time remaining from the doctor; she has been receiving palliative care at home.

>On December 2nd, she passed away peacefully, and today, coincidentally on the 4th, which was my wife's birthday, we were able to hold the funeral without any issues.

>During her lifetime, she continuously supported our family from behind the scenes, and I have pushed forward many times with her encouragement on my back.

>I have lost the most irreplaceable number one fan in my life.

>Right now, I feel very lonely, but I believe that continuing to live energetically from here on out will be the greatest way to honor her memory, so I intend to do my very best.

>Thank you for your understanding and support.

>This time, the palliative care staff were all from the Digimon generation, or had kids who loved Tamagotchi, so they were incredibly kind and helpful. My wife would smile whenever those topics came up, and I really thought how glad I was that she became a character designer. I was truly grateful.

>>23653621
That's unfortunate.

>>23653621
Poor guy

https://twitter.com/iLiFE_official/status/1996882481082200225
Brave Groove as Beatbreak's new ED song.

https://twitter.com/digimon_games/status/1996942637710868826
December 9 for the DLC.

At some point they'll reveal that the reason the digidestined were reunited with their partners is because they started having kids of their own.

>>23655450
In Adventure? Nah, the last shot of the adult characters looking at their kids has no Digimon at all. We were just seeing their spirits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV7S4Q2LCmc
Youtube link.

>>23655450
It doesn't need to be revealed because it's obvious. Taichi, Yamato, and Sora were on the wrong paths and had unhealthy perceptions of their lives going into the future that caused them to deny parts of themselves, and by the end of the movie, they're all on the right path again and will meet their partners again as a result. Menoa had denied her childhood due to ostracization from her peers because of her intelligence and was moving straight into university at a young age. She drew the wrong conclusion from Morphomon's disappearance, that Digimon naturally disappear as one ages and leaves childhood, and that it will happen to everyone. She didn't even realize that Morphomon wasn't truly gone, as a Digimon partner is a fundamental part of a Chosen Child, she never heard the line "We'll always be together".

>>23655660
Lui's wish seemed oddly specific.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6imsSLuYPo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2X11Qzztk

>>23655660
I find that there being objectively right and wrong paths for your life is a very cruel message

>>23656619
Kizuna is not a well written film.

Are there multiple subs for the Beatbreak anime? I think it is decent but the fact that the translators are referring a singular Digimons as 'they' urks me. At one point they reffered Poyomon as 'It' and I am totally fine with that but then the translators again used 'they' for a singular Digimon and this actually bothers me.

>>23656627
Lazyleido on Nyaa fixes that problem.

>>23656619
By your logic, Ken becoming the Digimon Kaiser and enslaving Digimon, abusing his partner, trying to kill the other Chosen Children, and running away from home was not "an objectively wrong path". Kizuna just makes the point that having an unhealthy relationship and rejecting part of who you are will cause your Digimon to disappear, because your Digimon is part of you.

Taichi was going through the motions of being an adult. He liked fending off Digimon but he had it built into his head that pursuing just that would be escapism from his adult life. Working for a political science degree he didn't feel passion for or running away from his adult responsibilities by emulating his childhood, he pigeonholed himself into seeing these as the only options. We can see by the end of the movie, The Beginning, and the 02 epilogue that he combines Digimon with his "adult responsibilities" so that he can have a healthy relationship with who he is, and Agumon returns as a result.

>>23656627
Using they for a singular person is fine if they're unknown or you're being vague/distant.

But IIRC they referred to Pandamon with gender-neutral language despite always being close to the speakers, even translating "we have become kyoudai" as "siblings" rather than "brothers".
While that's not technically wrong (kyoudai *literally* means brothers but can be used generically in mixed-sex groups), it feels like grasping at straws to declare that a character with a male voice who's super-devoted to living in a traditional male way isn't supposed to come across as male.

>>23657158
>he combines Digimon with his "adult responsibilities"
This is pretty obviously the main point of the movie. Having a universe-ordained right path in life is a by-product of building rules around said point. To me, "combining Digimon with adult responsibilities" is just cynical marketing towards young adults. It's the complete opposite of the optimistic and hopeful beginnings of the franchise

>>23657178
Not that anon but that's why it particularly irks me, even as someone who likes using "they" as singular third person in general, away from murrican politics bullshit. The problem is that Kyoudai should be brothers even considering what you illustrated, based on the fact that the English language uses the term brothers-in-arms without intention to exclude any sexes. It should be okay for some terms to stay archaic. The -gumi groups have always been traditionally men and used kyoudai/brothers, there is no need to use siblings for it.

>>23657454
>Having a universe-ordained right path in life is a by-product of building rules around said point.
But that's not what the movie is saying at all.

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https://twitter.com/negi_nullnull/status/1997453189306843505

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Chiropmon's evolution.

So Chiropmon became NightChiropmon? I didn't see the episode, just some Twitter reactions. Might even be KnightChiropmon depending on the design

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https://digimon.net/reference_en/detail.php?directory_name=nightchiropmon
The evolution.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqTLUqnT7hI

Night's evo sequence.

Episode 11 synopsis: Tomoro goes out to buy a birthday present for Asuka, but ends up getting into a fight with Gekkomon. As Gekkomon sulks, a certain Digimon appears before him.

>>23657647
So.... another Kamen rider inspired besides Silphymon and Justimon?

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https://twitter.com/digimon_tv/status/1997464070841303092
https://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/digimon_beatbreak/special/interview/01/
Interview.

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>>23657647
>>23657684
Looks more like something out of Accel World. Maybe the LN version where Silver Crow's wings are depicted as fins fanning out rather than the anime's hexagonal plates.

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>>23657812

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https://nyaa.land/view/2051077
How was Beatbreak's 10th episode?

>>23657812
>blade scarf
>leather cloth
>helmet
>armor anatomy
>highlighted belt

>>23658040
As much as I really wanted another Kamen Riderr digimon, I think it's more batman related. He has an utility belt too

>>23658089
Plus it's attack was a fucking Battarang.

It's 100% batman inspired.

>>23658089
>>23658135
True, I guess I could see that too

https://twitter.com/digimon_games/status/1996217861845532716

>>23657661
I like how they play the opening riff of Brave Heart at the moment it evolves

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>>23657580
I want to see a late-series episode where all the one-shot characters show up to help out the protagonists, and we get a Luminamon (Haruko ver).

Incidentally, between Luminamon's twintail-like ears and the way its DigiXros with Nene had a feathery mask over her left eye, that form could plausibly look a lot like LovelyAngemon. Haruko getting another full episode to herself where she declares that she and her partner are one and goes full Biomerge is a lot less likely but... eh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuI69znmnfM
Episode 11 preview.

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So this is /m/'s favourite digi/m/on right? RIGHT?

>>23659411
Mugen is a timeless design.

>>23658089
Yeah, I think it's a tokusatsu version of Batman, so that's why you see some KR elements

Nightchiropmon fucks.

>>23659403
I'm glad that the Dark Evolution tease is leading up to something. I didn't know how it was going to be brought back since Tomoro has whole-heartedly jumped onto the "We're not going to kill Digimon" bandwagon, but maybe surrogate older brother Kyou getting Asuka'd right in front of him might work.

Gekkomon has already been shown to be pretty resourceful against Adult Digimon in spite of the level gap, so I'm curious if the Dark Evolution is going to be a GulusGammamon situation where it's an unreasonably powerful wildcard. And we'll probably get its "proper" evolution in episode 12 or 13 in a first cour ending evolution (Angemon/Lighdramon/MegaloGrowmon/Vritramon/RizeGreymon) scenario.

>>23657647
I was kind of expecting something like Pipismon, not a freaking Batman variant figure. I like it, but they had no reason to make him that cool. He might as well be a Perfect. I can't even imagine where they could take that design philosophy from here.

>>23657693
Looks like they haven't updated the EN side of the site.

>>23658851
I'm almost ashamed to admit I marked out at the moment.

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>>23657647

https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1997893907175055833
"【Notice】
To everyone who has supported the Digimon Partners Archive Site.
The "Digimon Partners Archive Site," which has enjoyed your continued support for so long, will close on Monday, December 15, 2025. We extend our deepest gratitude."

>>23660361
So, why is this nigga also a Virus instead of Data when edgy zwart defeat is already a virus, and they could have had the trifecta done?

>>23660488
Because both his components are viruses.

Where's my update bamco

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https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1998029809214263510

>>23657647
the anime version looks so much worse, wow

>>23660597
>>23660600
Easily the best part of the DLC shit

>>23660597
I was just fucking reading about Parallelmon last night wondering when they were going to add him to the Reference Book with non-V-Tamer art.

>>23660600
Akashic Backdoor? It’s just like my Jewish Ex!

My mind refuses to accept that having the virus attribute doesn't mean they're evil.

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>>23660676
There are different kinds of evil out there

>>23660676
I think of Virus as being more predatory in nature and having high potential for destruction and unbalancing things. Evil Digimon tend to be viruses. Ogremon lives wildly in his own interest even at the harm of others, Demonic Digimon plot to take over and rule, Kuwagamon preys upon anything that moves, and the noble Dukemon contains the Digital Hazard which can bring about mass destruction to the Digital World.
Vaccine is the opposite, it's meant to bring order and balance what viruses unbalance. Leomon has heroic qualities, Holy Digimon keep things running as a sort of government, Snimon viciously pursues viruses.

Data is neutral, Digimon that don't have explicitly good or evil intentions, they just inhabit the world.

>>23660676
The Duke is right there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM4Sd4OK0z8

man that dlc sucks

Steam updated the game. We gaan?

>>23660816
NTA but I always figured that Dukemon is Guilmon being a virus nature changing into Vaccine (especially with merging with Takato), and that Megidramon and ChaosDukemon is his natural self-achieved Megas.

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>>23649900

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke5ZZfa6ZVI
The longer preview.

>>23660985
What sucks about it?

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https://twitter.com/digimonweb_net/status/1998218542311989433

>>23661138
>"hey there's some weird shit going on, go investigate"
>go to a XIII-tier corridor and walk 10 steps to the next cutscene
>info dump scene
>go to a XIII-tier corrider and walk 10 steps to the next cutscene
>kyoko randomly appears, "hi im kyoko from video game cyber sleuth but i'm not really the same character since I'm from an alternate universe and I'm also not alphamon!"
>go to the same corridor and walk 10 steps to the next cutscene
>random infodump scene
>enter a door to a one map area of a place you visited before in the main game
>"wow that was weird anyways here's inori and aegiomon" to join you
>go open another random door
>ported to another map from the game
>flashback scene concentrating on inori dad and kyoko dad
>open door
>go back to corridor
>oh go fight this mini boss digimon
>open door
>go to another map
>flashback scene on kyoko dad
>rinse and repeat until the end
>reee i hate my dad because he left me and mom to fight some big digimon monster instead of stay at home and die with us.
>oh my dad's still alive, i don't hate my dad anymore nor digimons!
>just smack parallelmon
>everyone ports back the end.

holy fuck that was garbage. i'll non spoiler it with a brief summary why it's so bad.

>>23661150
non spoiler why dlc sucks
>enter corridor
>infodump scene
>open door
>more infodump/flashback scenes
>teleport to a location you've been in before where you have to find another door
>open door
>more infodump/flashback scene
>return to the corridor area
>oh fight some digimons I guess
>open door
>infodump/flashback scene
>rinse repeat till DLC is over

and the flashback scenes don't even add anything much. just i hate my dad and digimons! oh nvm I don't hate them anymore. oh no omnimon turned evillll! we have to stop him! oh good we helped him.

>>23661154
Shame.

>>23661031
Guilmon is a Virus because of the Digital Hazard, which manifests as Megidramon or ChaosDukemon, but the Guilmon line itself isn't inherently violent or Virus-like in terms of personality. BlackGuilmon, BlackGrowmon, and BlackMegaloGrowmon have natures closer to the standard Virus. I think that Guilmon is more likely to become Dukemon and BlackGuilmon the other two. Obviously they can become either, and Guilmon could become BlackGrowmon and BlackGrowmon could become MegaloGrowmon. But there's a clear "good side" and "bad side".


>>23661150
Sounds like Episode RR from Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon

Man I really wish they would one day depict the Megidramon and ChaosDukemon is the same entity onscreen.

>>23661150
>>23661154
Don't forget the glitch where the update bricks your game.

>>23661150
>>23661154
I think it's funny that this is also literally just what Cyber Sleuth is like.

>>23661687
I honestly don't remember anything from Cyber Sleuth besides the side quests, because the side quests usually had either really funny shit or Tankmon committing suicide.