>>23637681
He'll wind up with a sweet scar and a big titty captainwife, he's fine.

>>23637681
He’s a great character. He and Le Creuset are great foils. He gets more prominence later in the story as Earth politics start to develop.

>>23637681
No worries, Mu won't die even if you kill him.
He truly does make the impossible possible

Was Koyasu a big fan of Gundam too or was someone at Sunrise just like "We can't get enough of this guy"?
Not that I'm complaining.

>>23642365
He just apparently is either easy to work with, lives right next to most major studios or has alot of free time because for 30 something years he was in basically every anime/game franchise that existed somewhere or another.

Mu La Flaga is not a fortress, so he should be fine.

>>23642365
Koyasu

-Basically will do anything. No role is too minor or too stupid for him.
-Is not greedy, he'll give you an affordable price even after all his years of experience and has the clout to tell his agency not to screw things up with asking for too much.
- is not a smoker, so his voice is still healthy and smooth well into older age
- is not big on live action appearances because he's embarrassed about his fucked up teeth (there's a reason he's always frowning in basically every photo of him, it's to hide this) so he's got lots of free schedule time that most other VA's of his caliber would be doing guest appearances or stage shows and such.

All that combined means the guy was basically everywhere and anywhere for most of his career.

>>23642441
Which is kind of amazing, given how many massive roles he's had over the decades that would qualify as career-making in any lesser voice actor. I fucking love the guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oT9EmfFmf4s

>>23642516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajz_zaBcIM0

>>23637681
Funny I am also watching it for the first time as well. I also think he’s my favorite character rn, I don’t particularly care for kira. Flay was clearly made to be hated so they did a good job there, while I feel like they want me to like kira but he doesn’t interest me at all. I don’t really get why they didn't just have kira reconfigure the OS on the gundam for Mu to use instead of sending this child into combat.

>>23642441
Thats interesting. I was wondering why a VA if his caliber was willing to do those goofy sonic promos

https://youtu.be/te6hTzgJsVw?si=Rehqx3_3eMVBTwE1

It was for his role in isekai ojisan ofc but I thought he was way too prestigious for that

>>23637681
He gets blasted by a anti-colony laser protecting his captain girlfriend and everyone else on her ship, then comes back as a brainwashed not!Char because he wasn't a colony, then regains his memories and pulls off the same thing that killed him but this time in a better Gundam and survives the ordeal.

>>23642573
I started off not caring about Kira either, but I think his character develops quite nicely as things go on. He goes through a lot, having the lives of everyone in his shoulders and all. Mu is a cool guy from the get go, but he doesn’t develop nearly as much.

>>23642573
>I don’t really get why they didn't just have kira reconfigure the OS on the gundam for Mu to use instead of sending this child into combat.
Mu has something else he can use proficiently, while Kira is the only one who can pilot the Gundam, which he has to make on-the-fly changes to several times in order to make it effective. If Mu pilots the Gundam, someone else (less proficiently) pilots his MS, at best. The Archangel maybe doesn't even make it to Earth with just one fighter.

>>23644773
Yeah, Kira's whole character arc there was him piloting it because he knew they were fucked if he didn't. Couldn't just pass it off and twiddle his thumbs on the Archangel hoping it all works out.
Plus the whole rewriting the OS for naturals thing does come up later and he may not have even been able to do it anyway. Took a lot of specialists in the field a lot of time and manpower to sort that shit out.

>>23644840
>Took a lot of specialists in the field a lot of time and manpower to sort that shit out.
This. Kira assisted and the Archangel provided the Strike's combat data, but it was far from something Kira whipped up in his spare time.

>>23642573
Continuing my watch, kira has not grown on me at all. It feels weird going from tomino gundam where if someone gets blown up they are dead to this where people just come back to life if the writers like them enough. Also why do they have to do sai like this lmao
>no flay you really did love kira, he’s the best guy around *flashback of kira cucking him*
>you're wrong sai, I can’t be in love with kira *flashback to the literal same exact scene of kira cucking sai*
Does kira ever apologize for this lol. Unrelated note but Natarle is my waifu, best girl by far

>>23637681
Literally the most fortunate character in SEED thanks to Destiny

>>23647304
>tomino gundam where if someone gets blown up they are dead
Something tells me you haven't watched much Tomino Gundam

>>23645607
I mean in Orb Kira pretty much single handedly made the Astray OS's workable. Yeah the base system was made by Erica and the staff there and Kira only altered it but still he did something an entire research team could not. There's a scene where Kira is just "I did this this this and this to make the OS usable by the average Natural" and Erica and stuff just nod and look at him impressed meaning they didn't help nor think of those ideas on their own.

>>23644773
>>23644840
The issue is that the SEED series, until the invention of the natural OS had no concept of AMBAC. Most of the controls for the mobile suit were made with manual inputs. The natural OS developed by ORB was literally just a standard UC AMBAC type OS but they used Kira's data from the Strike for its pregenerated movement input. All Kira did for the Strike was update the way the OS functioned to be basically the same as other coordinator use MS, it's doubtful he would have been able to make it usable for a natural. That's just an assumption Garcia made.

That said if it had been possible then no, Mu by himself would have been fine. Most of the Archangel's tactical failures that kept getting them shit on was either a result of strategizing around using Kira, or Kira being a faggot civilian who didn't want to kill if he could help it, leading to them being hounded by enemies over and over again who kept getting stronger and more experienced. Just as a point of fact if Mu had the same natural use OS on the Strike that he got later in the series he would have just murdered pretty much everyone in the second Heliopolis attack except maybe Rau, Dearka and Athrun. This is a completely unrealistic scenario though vis a vis my first paragraph.

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>>23642441
>is not big on live action appearances because he's embarrassed about his fucked up teeth
No way, it can't be that ba-
>
Jesus fuck. I mean, it's probably a very old pic and he got them fixed eventually but yeah, i can understand why he would end up shy

>>23648145
>Koyasu opens his mouth
>He has gold and silver teeth with diamond grills
>throws up a gang sign

Mwu was the true protagonist of SEED for me. And I wished the studio actually did kill Kira so that Mwu could take Athrun under his wing. I hated Destiny but really enjoyed Mwu and Athrun fighting together. Those 2 had untapped chemistry.

>>23648140
It's not like the Kira-no-kill thing was going on back then, he killed a few people in the first half. It's only after getting the power of the Freedom and HE PLAYED THE PIANO that he went all in on that. Up until then he was just frantically fighting to survive 1v4 against equal suits or 1v50 against grunts (with Mu flying around harassing people with gunbarrels that can't do shit to anything sadly)

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>>23648430
I wish Freedom had more Mu and Shinn interactions.

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>>23648525
I know they're limited by the movie runtime, but Seed Freedom missed quite a bit by neglecting the dynamics of Shinn (and to an extent Luna) actually being on Team Kira.

>>23648518
he refused multiple times to kill athrun, yzak, and nicole when given the chance
the one time he came close to killing yzak he still hesitated and this led directly to yzaks later melty killing most of the heliopolis survivors and flay's dad
in fact if he'd just killed athrun back on heliopolis instead of just trying to repel him that would have significantly fucked raus team

>>23648668
I don't think Kira was at the level where he even could kill Athrun at Heliopolis

>>23648655
Yeah, I guess they wanted to keep the main focus on Kira and Lacus which is funny since a lot of people consider Shinn and Athrun to be the highlights of the movie compared to those two.

>>23648117
This happens a lot in R&D, though. Part of it is grind and part of it is someone's brainputer doing some weird neural linear algebra and approaching the problem from an angle no one else (especially people too close to the problem) had thought of. Usually a genius (which Kira is), but often someone just sufficiently distanced from the problem while still knowledgeable about the problem domain. See also those two teenage black girls who figured out a new math proof for a school project a year or two ago.
Slight /pol/ but this is why the middle class is important, it produces a massive amount of people who can drop into a problem domain and work stuff out without everything being driven by obsessive autists and the wealthy elite who selectively bankroll them. This is another angle on why a Coordinator-only humanity would be disastrous; when it's only one uber-intelligent or resourceful person driving innovation on a particular problem, you miss the chance for other people to come in and point out issues or fork to another promising path.

>>23648145
I've never understood why orthodontics are anathema to Japan. Can't tell if it's the result or cause the modern polite way of articulating being to basically speak through your teeth, with minimal mandibular/lip movement.
>>23648197
>Nyoho
Based, someone should set him up with that.

The watch continues, freedom is a sexy beast, the justice gundam is such a massive downgrade from the aegis in aesthetics it’s unreal. Why the fuck does it have a detachable base jabber strapped to its back instead of an actual backpack.

>>23649155
Also, cody's all use the same genetic pattern for their enhancements. It's why they start going sterile in five generations, cody on cody breeding is, depending on the level of gene mods, more or less incest. "half coordinators" created from a first gen cody and a natural helps wash the gene pool a bit but wouldn't be sustainable en masse because it would still homogenize a significant part of humanity's dna and eventually make every relationship some flavor of incest. Coordinators are, themselves, an unprecedented and potentially extinction level ecological disaster
which is why the subtext exists of Blue Cosmos originally being an ecological conservation organization, something that seemed to fly over everyone's heads in favor of muh raycisms

>>23649155
>>23649631
That's all true but another thing most people don't really acknowledge - even in universe, except sort of for Rau who's just saying it to be a contrarian - is that even if those problems didn't exist, the technology that creates Coordinators commodifies human talent. Today if someone happens to be born with some bizarre mutant talent - people with really good vocal chords, some people like e.g. that one championship shooter who had actual superhuman reflexes because of the differences in his arm and wrist muscles, people who are born with above average IQ, or conversely people born incredibly misfortunate like being ugly, or having some kind of deformity or disability, having below average IQ, et. al. and the average people inbetween them can all cope and say
>Well, they were just born that way, right? It's all luck or an act of God. It just was or wasn't meant to be.
But for Coordinators, however they would have been born is irrelevent. Their rich parents just bought them their good looks, good health, and all the things they're talented at. This was probably the actual point they were hamfistedly trying to present to the viewer with the death of George Glenn: instead of there being losers and winners in nature, a product of forces beyond anyone's control, now losers and winners are decided entirely by capital and influence, stratifying an existing class problem that already existed in the CE setting. And as Rau says, this invites a terrible resentment.

>>23647304
What does Kira have to apologize for? Flay seduced him. He can't do anything wrong.

>>23647304
I also am a natarle stan it's too bad angelman shoots her
anyway no, kira never apologizes and sai remains a virgin for the rest of the series. Hilariously dearka cucks tolle post mortem, but then gets cucked in turn by the time Destiny rolls around

>>23649772
Natarle deserved to live so she could be Mu's other wife.

>>23649290
That's it's gimmick. It's a test for remote weaponry and a detatchable big platform was the first thing they could use it on before working on smaller stuff. It's more obvious in space where the base Gundam can maneuver freely separate from the lifter.

>>23649842
If only. Everyone else got to survive nukes to the face or just magically get revived, so why not her?
Bring her back as Neo's fellow brainwashed second in command/lover instead of that random dude, and then get the threeway end with Murrue which you know they both wanted

One other thing I have noticed while watching this is the absurd amount of flashbacks, and it is always the same scenes. I have seen nicol and tolle die so many times

>>23649984
If a line gets reused in a flashback, does the voice actor get paid per instance of the line, or just once for recording it? I swear that EA base commander had more lines as a flashback than as a living being.

>>23649984
Are you watching the original version or the HD remaster? Believe it or not, the latter actually improved on that bit.

>>23649772
>second spoiler
He then gets uncucked by the time of Freedom, so it's all good.

>>23649973
if i recall the f/f/m polycule was a possibility in the gba game, except mu dies for real in a duel with rau

>>23649984
>dies 18 times via flashback
Tolle was like Katz if Katz were actually cool, he should've gotten his own Strike Dagger
>>23650017
Dearka's junichi suwabe voice is simply too smooth I suppose

>>23650081

>Dearka's junichi suwabe voice is simply too smooth I suppose

Suwabe voiced Sting Oakley. Akira Sasunuma's Dearka.

Murrue is the hottest Gundam babe.

>>23650079
IIRC the gba game had a secret ending where Natarle survived, but that depended on Nuemann confessing his feelings to her. There was a manga adaptation of some other parts of the game that implied she also had feelings for Mu.

Aesthetically the Dinn is my favorite of the ZAFT grunt ms, even if it gets bodied constantly. Second favorite is the UMF-5 ZnO, I don’t particularly care for the lineart but in the actual anime it looks pretty sleek and you can tell the animators were putting more effort into it.

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>>23650726
This rad ass Guncannon/Guntank hybrid was my favorite. When it first showed up I had to pause and look again because it's just standing off in the distance on Waltfeld's battleship taking potshots at Kira as he zooms by. All the focus was on the BuCUEs so it didn't really get any closeups until the end of the arc when everything was being taken out. Only other appearance was in the grunt unit mass grave in Alaska

>>23650737
Those are basically the most neglected. They didn't even get a turn as the "Enemy MS of the day" like everyone else

>>23650669
Neumann having a thing for her was slightly implied in the tv too though only in minor bits and never as overtly as most of those things

>>23650079
You're thinking of G Gen Advance where Rau gets the Freedom and fights Rau to the death then Kira salvages it. The other GBA SEED game was half visual novel half combat sim with some minor story tweaks (Natarle survival being the most major one)

>>23650737
That one did look cool but they had already designated it as a jobber suit before it was even deployed, not!ral even complained about getting them instead of more dogs. As a side note while the dogs were definitely unique I personally don’t like them

>>23650753
>You're thinking of G Gen Advance where Rau gets the Freedom and fights Rau to the death then Kira salvages it.
I think it was because the game might have been in development while the show was still airing since Athrun was a secret character and never gets the Justice. Also, if you don't recruit him, he performs a kamikaze attack against his father.

>>23650155
Oh right. I guess I always think of Dearka because of the resemblance to fakku muscle.

>>23650925
>fakku muscle
i think i'm too young to get this and also googling it didn't help

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>>23650933
Oh, it's an old shitpost about archer from fate/stay night.

Miriallia reminds me of sakura from taimanin

Goddamn kira had an ugly cry lmao. Also these flashbacks are hilarious, it’s supposed to be a flashback with somber music about how kira loved flay but it’s just all the scenes where she was manipulating him

>>23650751
I read somewhere that the original drafts had Nuemann (and presumably the rest of the pre-Heliopolis NCOs sans Mu) on the Dominion with Natarle, with her and Nuemann being in a relationship (I guess a gender-swapped parallel of Bright and Miria). Idk if that's official or not though.

>>23651232
Does he ever realize it or no?

>>23651298
he doesn't lmfao, sai doesn't either. kira also sees nothing wrong at all with ntr'ing athrun

I have now finished seed, it was pretty good. I don’t like kira all that much but the rest of the cast was pretty good. Rau was a cool char clone and providence was a cool villain gundam. The druggie dudes lasted way longer than I expected, they felt like they should be one off mooks but they just didn’t die until the very end. Pray for me /m/ as I go to watch destiny for the first time

>>23651298
Yes, he realizes it in Phase 20. Hence him outright running away from her to sulk alone at the end of the episode.

>>23651335
Yes, Sai knew as well. Hence him saying in Phase 32 that Flay started caring for Kira even if it wasn't that way in the beginning.
>ntr'ing athrun
Their engagement was cut off and Athrun didn't have too strong of feelings for her, hence her criticizing him for never visiting her.

>>23651375
Destiny was fun. Go in with an open mind and you may like it.

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>flay apologists
>in these very halls
>destiny apologists
>in these very halls

>>23651375
You don't have to dive into GSD right away, you can give SEED some time to digest

>>23651386
>not liking Destiny kino
Outdated opinion lol

>>23651391
destiny was half of a good show.

>>23651445
>>23651391

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>>23651335
He is the main character after all

>>23651652
kino

Started destiny, I like the design of the impulse strike packs, but the core fighter is retarded, especially because the fucking legs and torso aren’t even transformed into a wave rider form, they just fly around, it looks so goofy. Also who is this mysterious blonde man who pilots a mobile armor with gunbarrels that can only be used by people like Mu with the same voice actor as my GOAT mu? Surely it must be a new character given mu was reduced to space dust.

>>23651378
Does he?

>>23652506
That damn Exus. Give the Moebius Zero the most obvious and simple weapons upgrades and this random stranger can take out 5 GINNs in a second while Mu had to go 25 eps with peashooter gunbarrels that couldn't even put a dent in one

>>23652622
I still think it's retarded they never combined the lightning parts with the gunbarrel's upgraded barrels (the ones that ditched the missiles and railguns for a double barreled beam gun ala gunbarrel dagger) to massively improve the operating time and give it flight abilities

Damn only like episode 5 of destiny and the new ship captain is getting her cheeks clapped, wasn't expecting that

>>23652754
I really like the initial part of Destiny. Bogey One has their shit together pretty well and pulls off some cool stuff. The Gundam theft could only have gone better if Durandal helped them.

>>23652771
Oh I didn’t mean she was losing in combat, I meant she was getting dicked down by durandal in like the 5th episode lol

>>23652787
That too. Is that the scene where somebody wants to reach Durandal so they page the Captain's quarters and he has to get out of bed to answer?

>>23649631
>Also, cody's all use the same genetic pattern for their enhancements.
Where are you getting this from?
>>23649155
Being a coordinator doesn't automatically make you an Uber genius, though. Look at Shinn, Arthur, and Athrun for example. That said, I get where you're coming from and don't think that the series disagrees with you altogether if the Neumann reports are anything to go off of.

>>23652812
>Being a coordinator doesn't automatically make you an Uber genius, though.
This is correct. Being a coordinator is just being born with higher IVs.

>>23652812
nta but that's just how crispr works which is what all the coordinator shit in SEED was based off of back when that technology was new and is the only reasonable explanation for why coordinators become sterile
i dont think anyone ever explicitly says thats why but they dont really need to especially when language like "the usual health enhancing genes" gets thrown around

>>23652823
The explanation according to Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Cosmic Era Mechanics & World is that it's because Coordinator genetic complexity increases with each generation. As their genetic makeup grows more complex, many combinations become unviable. You're stacking engineered genomes atop each other repeatedly and incompatibilities arise. Like, Durandal and Talia aren't sterile, they're just genetically not able to have children.

Why did they make cagali a retard in destiny?

>>23652823
I never saw Crispr get mentioned in any interview I ever read. Do you have more information?
On another note, I'm hardly an expert on the matter, but wouldn't reduction in fertility caused by inbreeding take way longer to come about, if at all?

>>23652852
What do you mean?

>>23652863
Keep watching, you'll get it.

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>>23652850
Found the exact page, too.

>>23652864
I just remember shrugging at Cagali's screwups for the most part and chalking the matter up to inexperience in the role. Humor me, won't you?

>>23652906
nta but I just don’t like how she lets everyone treat her like a doormat, like why does she let shinn call her a retard multiple times?

>>23652914
NTA
Much of the first half of Destiny is Cagalli not really knowing how to be an effective leader. Trying too hard to compromise with those around her. She basically figures that a leader can't be brash and headstrong as she naturally is, and so she's completely out of her element.
That and some guilt she feels for what happened to Shinn's family is why she holds her tongue and doesn't call him a retard in turn. He's not 100% wrong in saying Orb's ideals got his family killed.

>haha my genius plan of zerg rushing ZAFT with nukes will totally wipe them out easily
>NANI?! How could my foolproof plan that didn’t work the last time not work this time?!

>>23652951
To be fair, not like they could have seen the neutron stampeder coming
(Also if they just launched a second wave they would have succeeded, since it only worked once)

>>23652754
>>23652951
Are you watching sub, old dub, or new dub?

>>23652957
It’s more that they tried zerg rushing in og seed and it got btfo’d by a super weapon, then tried it again in destiny and got btfo’d by a super weapon again. Blue Cosmos are retarded and it really makes you wonder how they can maintain power
>>23652960
Sub

>>23652964
>Blue Cosmos are retarded and it really makes you wonder how they can maintain power
I'm guessing propaganda and a lot of bodies to throw at problems. Didn't the N Jammers completely fuck Earth's energy sector?

Meer is way more attractive than lacus for some reason

>>23652968
>Didn't the N Jammers completely fuck Earth's energy sector?
NTA but yep. Earth was totally reliant on nuclear fission and the 10,000 neutron jammers scattered across the planet resulted in over a billion people starving or freezing to death.

>>23652975
Also her haro is better, I didn’t want to smash it like I did with the one lacus has

>>23652975
I can think of two reasons.

>>23652984
Yeah, that would be a good way to rally the people of Earth against ZAFT.

Even in destiny I cannot escape the tolle death flashbacks lmao

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>>23652987
Two very big reasons.

>>23653006
I'm surprised you mention that and not the Nicol flashbacks. Tolle's death was flashed back to 18 times, while Nicol's was shown 32 times.

>>23653014
Feels like they usually happen together, and tolles is just so over the top it sticks out more

>>23653016
Doesn't Athrun also have a flashback to Flay's death in Destiny, even though they never met?

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>>23647304
Kira never knew Flay and Sai were engaged.
Episode 1, he and his friends are shocked to hear that Sai gave her a letter, she denies that anything is going on between them.

Didn’t waltfeld get his arm blown off in seed? Why does he have both in destiny?

>>23653045
He doesn't.

>>23653049
Just got to the part with the cobra arm lol

Why did I only just now find out that Fukuda originally planned to kill Kira in SEED but was stopped by Bandai

>>23648145
I've seen worse.

Also his voice is amazing so it nullifies it desu.
My glorious king Takasugi, Ghignham, and Zechs.

I was always more put off by his tear ducts if anything, those things are DEEP

>>23653014
How much screentime does Nicol have while alive versus his screentime in flashbacks?

>>23652946
>Trying too hard to compromise with those around her
The very first moment of destiny, is her going to Zaft and demanding why Zaft is making gundams, and Durandul and even Athrun are like "Ma'am, should you really be HERE, and not back a Orb getting your house in line?" because as it would turn out, later on, her own council would snake her for the Earth Alliance and through orb's concept of neutrality out the fucking window. Pretty much leading right back to Orb's mistake in SEED where they talked all that shit about how they were gonna be neutral and stay out of the conflict, only to then have to quitely walk that back and side with EA to make mobile suits so they could get the mass production to actually build a military force to even be neutral. This why is Shinn gives her shit, because it's her doing the same shit her dad did, the same talk being talked that can't be followed through on that leads to Orb getting fucked because they tried to right checks they couldn't cash.

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>>23653006
>>23653014
>>23653016
Tolle's death was just that brutal. WIth all the shit that was going on before it happened, that type of death had Sai's name written all over it. Like they wanted Sai to be the one in that cockpit like in a first draft of that scene. It's why it's the go to scene to remind people any time someone claims that C.E. wasn't just anywhere near as brutal as U.C.

>>23653192
>any time someone claims that C.E. wasn't just anywhere near as brutal as U.C.
Anybody who says that is fucking weird. I was under the impression Tomino approved of SEED for showing people dying horribly from war.

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Seed has the most 'how did you survive that' in almost any show I can think of. How do you survive this with an open cockpit and have no scars or missing limbs?

>>23648145
>>23642441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8DMSyPfbKo
Did he fixed his teeth?

>>23653790
>watfield explodes but comes back missing an arm and an eye
>kira explodes but is somehow teleported to space with some wounds that heal without scars and no broken bones
>mu is disintegrated in space and comes back with a scar
>kira is ran through with a giant sword and has his ms go nuclear over the ocean and comes back with no wounds
Why put your characters into these situations if you don’t want them to die?

>>23653806
Wait what the fuck he is uncle? How did I not notice this lol

>>23653806
Jun Fukuyuma looks like the Ojisan lol

>>23652957
They didn't know if Zaft had more or not

>>23652951
I mean in SEED it would have worked if Freedom and Justice hadn't flow in and intercepted them all with the METEORs. In Destiny they've got no reason to think either will show up again since both vanished in the end of the war, and while Freedom was still around it was deactivated at the time and there's no way Kira could have gotten to it and flown up to stop them even if he knew. The neutron stampeder took them by surprise.

>>23653808
Can't counter the sword through the cockpit part (he leaned to the side?) but they showed him disabling the nuclear reactor and the giant explosion was from the Minerva's main cannon hitting the water. If it were his suit actually going nuclear there'd have been no Impulse left
Of all the bullshit survivals I found Athrun/Meyrin to be the worst. Also got a sword through the cockpit and then immediately exploded into an enormous fireball the second it touched water, with no Minerva cannon camera trickery to explain it away
I just have to assume every mech in CE just has an unmentioned cockpit ejection system that shoots them out the back of the suit at mach 5

>>23653849
>Can't counter the sword through the cockpit part (he leaned to the side?)

Freedom's cockpit is in a different spot than most so it didn't actually hit the cockpit (hence why the actual cockpit block is mostly unscathed in the next episode when Cagalli is saving him)

>>23652987
>I can think of two reasons.
Her shamelessly sexo outfit and idol personality?

>>23653790
Only if you include Destiny, which is the true offender. I think SEED only had the one you posted (two if you count having to crank out the demaster for revival purposes). Destiny had what, 3? 4?
Either way, Gauron wins per capita. Although maybe that doesn't count as a "how did you survive that" because we know the answer. The magic just-believe-in-yourself machine

>>23654066
Waltfeld was another example in seed, at least he lost an arm and an eye(and his gf)

>>23653849
Athrun and Meyrin did get really fucking hurt even though they were rescued immediately. Not the most far fetched I think.
Only Mu surviving is really fucked up I think, but even that has some caveats.

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These things are so ugly, I love them. It’s rare you get an aquatic ms with long legs, it’s kinda freaky. The beam claw is neat though.

Just got to episode 21 of destiny, goddamn, Meer>>>>>Lacus

>>23655955
>the episode right before Kira comes back
:)

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>>23655996
Heine bros…

>>23656057
Heh. Heiney.

>OP casually spoils Mu reveal
lol I guess it was pretty obvious but still

>>23656086
I don't think it was ever really meant to be a secret

>>23656086
>spoilers
>for an over 20 year old series

>>23656273
The show wasn't 20 years old when it aired, anon

>>23656057
>shows up with gouf
>jobs one episode later

>no you don’t understand arthrun, we can’t do anything to keep orb from being insane warmongers, instead cagali will yell ineffectually for the second time, you just need to let your ship get sunk ok?!
>cagali is crying! Like she does in literally every episode of destiny!

>>23656355
>people still totally miss the point 20 years later
Kek you did not disappoint

>>23656331
RIP, he was a cool dude. Sweet suit and fulfilled the helpful senior pilot/commander role better in 5 minutes than Athrun did in 40 episodes
Too bad he was a laughably dogshit pilot

>>23656362
He did ok until kira cut his weapon arm off then left him to die

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>>23656331
>>23656362
>shows up with gouf
>jobs one episode later
>is immportalized with his own Destiny gundam.

He was simply too powerful of a character to be allowed to live, Durandal was the same way that's why they went full retard trying to justify making to make him into an objectively evil villian.

>>23656371
I think also because of who Durandal shares a voice actor with.

>>23656369
He did ok *until in the middle of a battle he forgot how to fight

>>23656357
What was the point of doing nothing until the battle already started, then letting the vast majority of the orb fleet deployed kill themselves in a pointless fight?

>>23656107
>>23656107
it wasn't suppose to be a secret that he Neo was Mu, but I think the catch was that we all thought it would be a clone of Mu and in Destiny we'd finally open up the can of worms that is the Flaga family, honestly I feel like Al De Flaga should have been the head of Blue Cosmos instead of the random fuck that is Djibiri.

>>23656372
Char did nothing wrong. People should have listen to him in Zeta, especially the spacenoids at Axis, because for a brief moment they were free from the bullshit only to willingly jump back in

>>23656382
To quite literally have them fuck around and find out. The running thing with orb (Really Cagalli and her Dad) is the motherfuckers always keep boasting about how neutral they are and how much they will not be invaders, nor will they be invaded. So they do all this postering, not realizing that when you boldly make claims like that, other factions expect you to be able to back that shit up, and then surprise surprise, you fuckers can't back that shit up.

>>23656382
Freedom straight up saved the Minerva at Crete. Athrun should have stopped Shinn from going on the offensive and attacking Cagalli, and just gotten the Minerva out of the area, and let the Archangel cover their backs.
Instead he impotently raged at Kira and Cagalli for trying to stop the fighting, when he's the one who ditched Orb to rejoin ZAFT and play at being a hero again.

>>23656393
>Freedom straight up saved the Minerva at Crete.
kek I forgot about that
>they saved us...? ATTACK!!!

>>23656403
When Kira did that, he did it by disarming literally every suit there, ZAFT and Orb. By doing that Minerva technically isn't sure if Kira's really an ally or hostile so they can only assume he's another hostile.

>>23656393
I remember being very annoyed at that shit. Athrun bitching and moaning at Kira for saving them when they 100% would've gotten wiped otherwise

>>23656408
Except they should know that they aren't hostile to ZAFT because Luna spied on Athrun meeting with them

>>23656411
To say nothing of how "just go back to Orb!" would absolutely make everything worse at that point

>>23656418
Athrun said that same thing remember, but then later on Kira would be sent out to interfere with shit that literally has nothing to do with him or orb and that's when the Kira problem has to be addressed. Think of it like the proto version of what Celestial Being was in 00, when they declared they would show up and stop any and all fighting, picking no sides. That doesn't make them non hostile, that makes them public enemy number 1, they gotta go.

>>23656430
>Kira saved us, and then stopped the Destroy...? What scum... He has to die.

>>23656086
>>23656107
surely some people coming fresh from broadcast SEED got surprised right? he had his helmet and everything out there...

>>23656057
>>23656362
>>23656371
>top ranking pilot
>unique, surprisingly down to earth personality
>cool voice
>says a few moving words to athrun
>exits
he deserved to lived longer but yet another case of a character being too good for Destiny

>>23656436
In the same way I'm sure there were people utterly shocked to find out Quattro was actually Char, maybe.

>>23656435
Did kira actually save them in the second fight? He basically fucked off after cagalis speech failed. He spends the rest of the fight fucking around with arthrun then destroyed his ms and left with cagali

I started rewatching SEED myself and fuck man, Kira has it rough.
>his closest friend is an enemy, the friends he fights to protect say shit about him when he isn't around and view him as 'other'
>only source of comfort is a girl who can only barely hide her disdain for his kind
>can't bring himself to even meet with his parents out of fear he'll lash out at them
>finds out that he's a science experiment, told he has no right to exist
>whether he's in the Strike or Freedom, it isn't enough, he can't protect everyone

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>>23656455
Yes

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>>23656459
Oops, wrong one, kek

>>23656456
>the friends he fights to protect say shit about him when he isn't around and view him as 'other'
I remember they go out of their way to defend him and support him, and then he repays sai by cucking him

>>23656456
Don't forget he's the personal pet cuck of a pop Idol who's till this day is viewed as some savior goddess the worlds whims should just bend toward.

The Truth is out there, Lacus is Katejina level's of evil

It’s crazy how the destiny blue cosmos characters make azrael look like a complete genius and master military mind, they are retarded so retarded holy shit.

>>23656470
That whole first part of Seed before they touched down on earth, everyone was having doubts about him being able to protect them. It's was a really nice contrast to Amuro, because Kira at the time was willing to do it, regardless how much everyone kinda distanced themselves from him after finding out he's a coordinator, and you can see him get stress being literally the only one (besides Mu) actually out there fending offend 4 four other coordinator piloted gundams., Bro's stressed out Kira in SEED was the best Kira, the most human he's ever felt. I still need to watch Seed freedom to confirm that claim though.

>>23656481
>I still need to watch Seed freedom
Athrun beats Kira in a fistfight. That should be all the reason you need to watch it.

>>23656470
They go out of their way to NOT support him, that's why he has a giant ongoing meltdown
>he repays sai by cucking him
Sai and Flay weren't really together, and he had no idea about her dad trying to set them up >>23653027

>>23637681
He is one of better SEED characters but gets rather sidelined for being an adult. For all his supposed relevance, we don't get to see his last duel with Rau

>>23656475
>>23656485
Still seething over CHADira?

>>23656486
Sai supports kira pretty much the entire time, the only moment he questions kira is when kira plans to give lacus back to ZAFT, which is perfectly understandable because without using lacus as a hostage they would have all died. Even then he helps kira smuggle lacus out. Also I see people saying they weren't really together but flay is basically attached at the hip to sai up until her dad gets blasted, and act like a couple the entire time before that. Flay herself even seems to have some feelings for sai so it’s not completely onesided. Kira definitely knew there was something between them, he just decided to put flay pussy over his friendship.

>>23656455
He did initially, but if he hadn't interfered to begin with they'd have solved the problem in the first battle which is why they hold a grudge. Plus once it became obvious that the Orb fleet was going to get completely wiped out Kira started targeting Minerva's forces almost exclusively.

>>23656430
Post Orb fleet the only thing Kira did before Angel Down was bail Zaft's asses out in Berlin, which Durandal repaid by deleting his help from the footage and claiming credit for it.

Man the earth forces are retarded in destiny, they spend the whole series committing war crimes against earth nations then jobbing in every fight. Especially hilarious considering ZAFT isn’t really even trying that hard. At least azrael had a chance to win the war had he used his nukes against genesis

>>23656825
That's because basically everything they did was decided by a singular inept kid's cartoon villain. Even if it was never mentioned or hinted at I'm still convinced Durandal managed to nab Djibril at some point before the series and used his own mindrape tech against him (improved upon by big brain science man coordinator). Every single move he made only furthered Durandal's plans

>>23656791
It's not a grudge it's a false flag, Durandal needed Orb out of the picture completely, at the very least, at the very least militarily, because Orb is at risk of siding with the EA despite all there talk about keeping neutral because Cagalli's fucking up hard.

>>23657029
That makes it sound like Durandal was just looking out for his people. He straight up had the Minerva travel directly through Alliance territory to provoke fights.
He needed Lacus and Kira out of the picture, not Orb.

>>23657029
Orb had already long sided with EA by that point.

>>23657056
He needed Orb gone or at least conquered too. He knew they'd never support his Plan.

>>23649772
Just got to the second spoiler, damn they really offscreened my dudes entire relationship lol

>>23657056
>He straight up had the Minerva travel directly through Alliance territory to provoke fights.
It wasnt to provoke fights he tasked them with hunting down the attackers who raided the plants let by Neo(Mu), because Blue Cosmos (would later be Logos) was still a problem though majority of the EA had basically calmed down. Why he needed Orb out of the way for this, because they (Cagalli) would keep running her mouth about Zaft needing to stand down even though they are suppose to be neutral and keeping themselves out of it and that would pretty much reawaken the Alliance giving Logos more places to hide. Durandal before tje Destiny plan asspull was a completely different beast of a written Character, everything he did was genuinely, objectively the right thing to do so it was really to immediately write him off as the villian his objectives are getting rid of even bigger villians and threats to peace. When they tried hinting blatantly that he did the attack on the orphanage, he's still can't be viewed fully as the main villian yet.

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>>23648518
>HE PLAYED THE PIANO
Before the LLM boom I fed this into an early version called "talk to transformer" that has since died. The result was funny.

>>23656691
What people forget about flay is that she was only with Kira out of spite and hatred. Kira showed her a moment of weakness after the civilian shuttle got shot down after he did all he could to keep Yzak off of them, and Flay was like. "I gonna drink this motherfuckers tears every night. I'm gonna have him be so dependant on me, have bend over backwards to save and protect me until he fucking dies." Flay was on some real manipulate bitch shit.

>>23657153
They had long given up on chasing Neo's group by then. It was all about taking the Black sea, with EA sending Neo's group as part of the fleet there, along with backup from Orb. Orb was already part of the Alliance at this point.

>>23657153
>. Durandal before tje Destiny plan asspull was a completely different beast of a written Character, everything he did was genuinely, objectively the right thing to do so it was really to immediately write him off as the villain his objectives are getting rid of even bigger villains and threats to peace. When they tried hinting blatantly that he did the attack on the orphanage, he's still can't be viewed fully as the main villian yet.

The thing with Durandal is that he sells himself to Athrun and Cagalli as a guy who just wants the war to stop and the status quo back, so all these aggressive moves he makes while seemingly objectively the right thing are not what he claimed to be about as he keeps moving the goal posts to what he's fighting for until it's Destiny Plan time. It's like with Angel Down. Objectively he has a justified reason for doing so but it goes against what he previously claimed to be about and is obvious, based on how he acts in private that he and Rey just wanted Kira dead out of principle and to prevent him from interfering in their endgame and would have done so regardless of what Kira actually did, it just happened that he played into their hands anyway

>>23657153
>It wasnt to provoke fights
The Minerva was a spaceship and ZAFT basically had uncontested control of strength. Telling them to detour through Alliance territory was a political move and not practical in the slightest.
>Durandal before tje Destiny plan asspull was a completely different beast of a written Character, everything he did was genuinely, objectively the right thing to do so it was really to immediately write him off as the villian his objectives are getting rid of even bigger villians and threats to peace. When they tried hinting blatantly that he did the attack on the orphanage, he's still can't be viewed fully as the main villian yet.
Then you weren't paying attention. Durandal is set up as shady from the very beginning. He's a manipulator who views pretty much everybody in terms of how useful they can be for him and blatantly lies through his teeth constantly.

>>23657236
*uncontested control of space
The Archangel needing to cut through ZAFT territory made sense, the Minerva doesn't need to do that

>>23657153
>>23657236
If anything, the big issue with Durandal is that he goes from a good manipulator with a meticulously crafted public image, to effectively pinning a "I'm evil, kick me" sign to his own back.

>>23657236
>The Minerva was a spaceship and ZAFT basically had uncontested control of strength. Telling them to detour through Alliance territory was a political move and not practical in the slightest.

Weren't they going there to help the Eurasian Federation that wanted to leave the Earth Alliance and then got attacked by them?

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>>23657267
They were ordered to get to Gibraltar base, with their course being this, and both Talia and Arthur are confused as to why a single ship not equipped for land battles would be asked to do this.

>>23656057
that part where they put up the transparent image of him as his suit explodes is one of the funniest things in Destiny lol

>>23657257
Yeah he went through years of planning and scheming and puppeteering every event that happens to great success, but when it came to the final stretch the dude just completely mailed it in
As represented by his AmazonBasics Stereotypical Villain Chess Set, he KNEW Kira and Lacus had to be dead before he could actually make a move (which is why he was trying to kill them since the start of the series). When he thought he were dead he decided "I think it's about time for DESTINY" but before he could actually do anything he found out they were both alive. Instead of taking a step back he just said fuck it, yolo and announced his plan anyway. And then it was thwarted and he was dead 2 episodes later

>>23657267
>>23657369
I thought there was also the angle of Durandal purposely throwing the Minerva against BS odds to force Shinn to develop as a pilot the same way Kira did with the Strike protecting the AA. Although Durandal stacked the deck in Shinn's favour by giving him Rey/Luna/Athrun.

>>23657257
>>23657581

I feel like he basically got to the point where he had to pull the bandaid and make his play. If he waited he'd lose his momentum, if the world stablized they'd wonder why they needed his plan once the recent wounds had healed. As for Kira and Lacus he'd basically realized at that point that he'd never be able to sneakily defeat them and open war was the only real option.

Basically he'd reached the point where he'd schemed all he could and had to either make his big play and risk failure or he'd come to a standstill.

>>23657622
Is luna supposed to be a good pilot? I mean I guess she didn’t die against the neo-druggies but she is mostly a stock footage turret for the ship while on earth

>>23657629
>and open war was the only real option.

His newest suits had lost to Kira and Athrun already though by that point. Just throwing them back into battle without upgrades or anything just led to the obvious results.

>>23657637
all of the named characters' skill and ability vary wildly as the plot requires

luna is apparently an above-average pilot who scored better on (written?) tests than the standard dumbfuck green-suit coordinators

>>23657637
She does way better in close combat than at range, funnily enough. She has no issue taking out Destroys in the Impulse or overwhelming the Gaia in the Gunner Zaku in melee.

Im watching it on netflix. Why do some characters have no voice when they talk?

>>23657637
That's mostly due to being locked into being a turret because of all the ocean battles. In the first few episodes where she could actually move around in space she did quite well.

About Flay:
https://www.tumblr.com/yzakxflay/801712055001415680/understanding-flay-allster-a-character-analysis

>>23658952
The Japanese fandom has tons of character and dialogue and relationship analyses for SEED as well if you look around on pixiv. There’s a page solely for Kira roughing up Sai.

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>>23658954
I’m sure I could find the link somewhere, but can you post it?

>>23658956
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E3%82%84%E3%82%81%E3%81%A6%E3%82%88%E3%81%AD

>>23658955
She looks 30. Christ, those Japanese genes.

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>>23658969
https://twitter.com/kotochawanmoon/status/1995016705777832447
One of Mitsuishi's more recent posts.

>>23658969
That's an older picture. She still looks great for her age but looks like an older woman. Especially if you compare to her 90s era

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>>23658981
Picture of 90s Mitsuishi.

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>>23657435
See you space cowboy…

>>23658981
If you look real close some things about her face betray her age, but she still has the youthful plumpness in her upper cheeks she had starting out which helps with her look tremendously. This is why buccal fat removal is a fucking awful idea

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>>23659337
Yeah, hero. Don't forget those guys were in the middle of executing prisoners. They aren't surrendered soldiers he's mercilessly executing. They were the ones that were doing that.

>>23659337
Team Kira should have had him and Luna executed.

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>>23659361
>>23659357
>>23659337
Athrun took care of him.

If durandal hadn't been planning other shenanigans and kept ZAFT from engaging the alliance somehow what would kira and co do? Blue Cosmos started the war with plans to nuke the PLANTs, and were actively invading everyone while doing war crimes, with a moon gun in the works to annihilate the PLANTs. So what would kira even do to stop all this without ZAFT involvement?

>>23659431
Probably nothing. Kira wasn't setting out to be world police from the outset, he only got in the Freedom again when the war came to him. The Alliance would either take over the PLANTs with their unreasonable demands or just nuke them away.

But if Durandal wasn't scheming, Junius Seven wouldn't have fallen and the story wouldn't happen at all.

>>23659444
Was durandal actually behind junius seven drop? I haven’t finished the series yet, do they say that or is it just because he seems to have planned most of what happened?

>>23659474
Not afaik, but it's implied he knew of the terrorists before they did anything and it's implied that he knew the Gaia, Chaos, Abyss were going to get stolen, and did nothing to stop either.

>>23659431
The war had already started before Kira even did anything. Kira and Lacus were actually considering just straight up heading to Plant in the fear that Orb would become hostile to Coordinators living there if the deal with the EA went through until the Zaft attack that night made them think Durandal was potentially out to get them. Even then so long as Orb stayed out of it they were happy to let Zaft pummel EA all they wanted and the only reason they didn't offer themselves to help Zaft out was because of suspicion of Durandal.

>>23659499
It's implied he basically planned for the Gaia Abyss and Chaos to get stolen via leaking info to Djbril but incomplete info that there was only 3 new Gundam's. That's why Zaft guys let the trio in and arm them and why the trio and Neo were all "what the fuck there wasn't supposed to be a 4th Gundam" when Impulse shows up. Chaos's screen even says it has no data on Impulse even though it was built with it and tested with it suggesting Durandal deleted it's data from their computers anticipating the steal and avoiding a repeat of how Zaft had the Strike's data despite not stealing it because it was in the other units computers.

>shows no romantic interest in her for most of the series
>“kills” her crush and sister at the same time
>immediately gets luna pussy after dropping a single “yeah, sorry”
Damn, I wasn’t familiar with shinns game

>>23659635
Gundam romance has always been a meme but that one might really be the worst of them all

Destiny would have been better if ray was a cute girl

>>23659635
>>23659804
>two people who were friends before the series started
>becoming increasingly isolated as the people around them start feeling unfamiliar and they lose the people important to them, can only rely on each other
>two decide to take things further on impulse and become a couple
One of the worst? In a franchise where characters regularly fall head-over-heels just by catching a glimpse of somebody?

>>23659920
MAYBE I could see it if it were Rey coming back alone and saying "I killed those two traitors". NOT when Shinn himself shot them down based on intel that Luna says she doesn't buy

>>23637681
mwu is one of my favourite teacher characters in gundam, and I think SEED is better than 0079.

It's a fucking tragedy that Destiny exists though. Is the new series worth watching?

>>23659986
New series??

>>23659997
the new destiny series/OVA/movie

Just finished destiny, definitely a downgrade. I actually liked all the new main characters, it’s really the returning characters that sucked. Kira and Lacus are just whatever, I didn’t really like them that much in seed and I still don’t like them, just kinda bland and a bit OP in some ways. Athrun is kinda retarded in destiny and is a jobber until he joins kira again, while Cagali is just terrible. I have heard the behind the scenes drama story about her VA isn’t true but it sounds believable with how much her character gets shit on.
>jobs in custom MS
>gets new shiny birthright MS, jobs again
>gives birthright ms to Mu
Jesus Christ. Durandal was a cool villain until the end, where he reveals his retarded destiny plan, I guess he was too reasonable, rey blasting him was retarded too, I guess kira telling him he is a real boy was all it took. The earth villains are a complete joke, blue lipstick guy fucks up at every turn, and Cagali is made to look even more pathetic when she gets outmaneuvered by that random ORB retard who is completely inept. Destiny gundam was cool I guess.

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>>23660015
The absolute state of Cagalli.

>>23660019
>up against a protagonist
>in a suit that's 2 years behind in tech in a rapid tech advancement age
>suit's biggest selling point is in its space pack and you're on Earth
>haven't piloted for combat in years and even then only did that like once
Just gotta take the W that she didn't die in 1 second like a grunt

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>>23660025
>haven't piloted for combat in years and even then only did that like once
That time where she entered Seed mode.

>>23660015
>Just finished destiny, definitely a downgrade.
I think even the staunchest Destiny defenders would agree. The show was super rushed, both in the planning stage and during production. I quite like it and I hope you enjoy SEED Freedom.

>I have heard the behind the scenes drama story about her VA isn’t true but it sounds believable with how much her character gets shit on.
We know that there was drama and friction between Shindo and Morosawa, and both Fukuda and Rie Tanaka confirmed that Morosawa was clashing with voice actors around that time. The part that's in question is when people add on "Fukuda was having an affair with Shindo" or "Morosawa was jealous of Shindo for being prettier".

>gives birthright ms to Mu
Probably the smartest thing she did all show. He's one of the best pilots and would make great use of it, while she'd be better off putting her country back in order.

>rey blasting him was retarded too, I guess kira telling him he is a real boy was all it took
It was an impulse decision, one that Rey didn't consciously make. His idea of Kira Yamato, the guy who murdered Rau Le Creuset, was drastically different from the real deal. Somebody he hated showed him compassion in the middle of the battlefield, more than even Gil did, which stunned him. Then when he had Kira at gunpoint and listened to the futures he and Durandal wanted, he shot Durandal before he even realized it - because between the two of them, the one that would lead to a happier future for "him" (Shinn) would be Kira's.

And finally the series binge ends with the movie. It was ok, once I got past
>actually lacus-dono is a super mega coordinator specially designed to be better than everyone else
I am glad the destiny gundam got to be cool, shinn has two girlfriends and got to feel up the sexy dom pilot, good for him. Mu is now completely indestructible, and cagali was finally useful by giving athrun wet dreams to protect him from mind control. It was corny with absurd ntr plots but still enjoyable schlock, especially after the lame destiny ending

>>23660202
Seed Freedom has some of the same writing issues as Seed Destiny, but those issues are a lot easier to overlook since the movie actually remembers to be fun and have cool mecha fights.

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>shows up in dom
>zero character or involvement in story other than being a lacus simp
>returns in movie to molest luna and then get molested by shinn in turn
>continues to be irrelevant other than filling a pilot seat

>>23660520
At least the movie made her somewhat interesting, which admittedly is such a low bar that it's subterranean.

They managed to fit a nicol death flashback in the movie, holy fuck that was hilarious

>>23660965
It was definitely a film for the fans

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>>23661065
>nicol death

>Finish Witch from Mercury
>Cool
>Timeskip
>Start 79
>Start GQuuuuux when it started airing
>Ep 2 of GQuuuuuuuuuuuux is alt history of 79
>Stop GQuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux
>Watch 79 whenever I can
>Timeskip to literally today
>Finished 79
Do I get back to GQuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuux or should I check anything else? 79 was fun, are the 3 movies a Gurren Lagann deal where they skip all the cool character moments for more fighting?

>>23661141
Sir this is a SEED thread

>>23661144
No, it's a first time watcher thread. OP says so.

>>23660520
I'm even one of the people who likes the color orange, and her hair is TOO orange

>>23661067
>Original
Nicol charges like a dumbass, Kira takes a swing, nails him right in the cockpit. Athrun gets angry at Kira for killing his friend while his friend was being retarded.

>remaster
Nicol charges like a dumbass, Kira steps back and lowers his sword out of shock that anyone could be that retarded. Nicol keeps running and impales himself on the sword anyways. Athrun gets angry at Kira for not stopping Nicol from committing suicide in the absolute stupidest way possible.

>>23661174
>Original
Nicol does a suicide charge, Kira magically moves his sword from one side of his body to the other and then does a grand slam swing that somehow doesn't instantly annihilate Nicol, he then acts as though he didn't mean to do such a massive deliberately lethal action

>remaster
Nicol does a suicide charge, Kira reacts by going into a guard and ducking so that the blade hits Blitz, Kira took action to kill Nicol without even realizing it

/m/ exposes itself as completely retarded every time this comes up

>>23661183
Yes indeed, you've certainly exposed yourself anon.

>>23661209
For not preferring the original sloppy incorrect animation? Lol ok

>>23661214
Mostly for having a poor understanding of three dimensional space, character, and storytelling in general.

>>23661276
The animation director straight up admitted everything I said.