Emil Von Sauer Editionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obBRBDXJBlk>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPrevious:>>123558160
>>123589827>holy fucking schizophrenia, we need to kill all boomers right nowkek it reads as valid and sound to me but I'll take your word for it that it actually isn't then.
>>123589912it’s really not, and the retard who wrote that shit has no idea what is “germanic” or “brucknerian”, or what the fuck good stravinsky conducting sounds like, for the matter.
>>123589923*Germanic *Brucknerian *Stravinsky
>>123589928mentally assraped by small letters
>>123589946You know it's just as easy writing it correctly, Deliberately and consistently doing it wrong seems like a cry for attention-which you were given
>>123589955no one is forcing you to spaz out every time you see literally anyone (and i do mean anyone; i’m not the only person you’ve replied to like a spastic) writing all lowercase.
>>123589923pfft next you'll be telling me the Amazon review I read describing Bernstein's Bruckner 9 as 'Mahlerian' as silly too! Though that one I actually did hear where he was coming from, even if it wasn't the right word-choice; great recording, btw.
>>123589971ok
>>123589972bernstein’s bruckner 9 isn’t mahlerian, it’s just bad
you fucking retards stay on the other hread
>>123589955It's 4chan dude, it's not that important
>>123589989S-sorry, anon, won't happen again
Favorite recording of Strauss' Tod und Verklärung?
Man, there aren't enough recordings of Liszt's choral works, they deserve so many more as well as attention.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3pSMaa2iws&list=OLAK5uy_lP9YxyC7dwgtEGoELEqkAmpNaA88Eifj8&index=1
Weissenberg/Karajan's Rach 2, one of the best I've heard.
>>123590243What about his symphonic poems? I don't see many good recordings of them.
>>123590610Yeah I was thinking something similar when I was listening to them nonstop up until a few days ago. The main ones are Karajan, Masur, Haitink, and Solti, each with different but good takes on them. I would definitely like a more contemporary recording of them all though, no doubt.>>123590595I haven't liked it in a longtime but I'll check that one out, thanks.
Bach = NasMozart = TupacBeethoven = Kendrick Lamar
>>123591191mommy
Mozart's 8th sonata is so fucking catchyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKs1WpMJ0X8Really love Sokolov's playing
What do we think of Wittgenstein's musical taste?>loved beethoven, schubert, meistersinger (he disliked most else by wagner) and brahms>hated all 20th century music
>>123592274>hated all 20th century musicScriabin, Rach, and all the sweet late Romanticism still thrived at the surface, moderins, as repulsive as it tends to be, is still very much respectable and had its shining years then, so his taste is objectively trash. Might as well
>>123592274what did JL Austin like?
>>123592299...just admit he's close minded pseud at this point.>moderinsmodernism*
>>123592274seems reasonable>>123592299you missed the part where he wasn’t indian
>>123592299>Scriabin, Rach, and all the sweet late Romanticism still thrivedunfortunately
>>123592513Unfortunately it didn't thrive longer, as it only got better with time. Late Romanticism is peak.
>>123592531"is peak" you talk like a zoomer stfu
>>123592531>implying mahler and strauss are better than wagner and bruckner
>>123592568fun fact: all four are trash. bruckner is least trashy though.
>>123592582fun fact: you're a gay retard
>>123592612seething ad hominem kek
>>123592274Didn't he enjoy the concertos for his one-armed brother?
>>123592267not /classical/, try >>>/mu/ instead
>>123592299>Scriabin, Rach, and all the sweet late Romanticism still thrived at the surfaceYes, unfortunately...
>>123592299>Scriabin, Rach, and all the sweet late Romanticism still thrived at the surfaceYes! Fortunately!!
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uNEgC0Qq9A
>an interesting video about some classical composer>thumbnail has AIslopFucking embarrassing. At least put effort into making a decent AI picture.
>>123592274>Wittgenstein praised Josef Labor as one of "the six truly great composers" along with Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Schubert, and Brahms.Kek, what an absolute retard.
Prelude and Fugue is the ideal format for keyboard music.>Prelude can be any form the composer wants, it first introduces the audience to the composer's expression using only his own creativity>Fugue showcases the composers skill and knowledge in composition and counterpoint, justifies the artistic decisions in the prelude if it did something especially daring while also having to be a interesting and enjoyable piece in it's own rightNot to mention it doesn't have to be more than two movements (You can, but it's not required), allowing the composer to refine those two movements like a pearl.Sonatas I see as a mediocre alternative, especially as it suffers from being extremely formulaic despite technically speaking being more liberating artistically.
>>123593799Emanuel Bach, Haydn and Mozart had established the structural laws of sonata form for all time. It was the outcome of a compromise which the spirit of German music reached with that of Italian music. It acquired its external character from the way it was used: the pianist used the sonata to present himself to the public in order to delight them with his dexterity and to entertain them agreeably as a musician. We are no longer speaking of Sebastian Bach assembling his congregation in front of the organ in church, or summoning a connoisseur or colleague to a competition; a wide gap separated the wonderful master of fugue from those who cultivated the sonata. They learned the art of fugue as a means of consolidating their musical studies but applied it to the sonata only as a learned device. The raw consequences of pure counterpoint gave place to pleasure in stable eurhythmics: only the completion of its pattern in the sense of Italian euphony appeared to meet the demands of the music.
thoughts on using fl to make classical
basedgner
>>123593855Learn sheet music you idiot. But if you use musescore to write the composition down and use FL studio as a way to add better sounding digital instruments to it, then sure
Anton Bruckner - Scherzo from Symphony No. 8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S84_5FWrf0A
>>123592274>>123593782So he was justifiably based then
>>123594484>josef labor is an equal to beethoven and mozart
Fantaisie Impromptu.
>>123594241This is weird music, it sounds angsty, mysterious, majestic, religious, ferocious. All of that at the same time, what composer does that?
Best Bruckner conductors?
>>123595271Van Beinum for 8 & 9.
>>123595271Karajan, Jochum, and Skrowaczewski are the big three.
>>123592531if you say so rachjeet
Boulez is basedhttps://youtu.be/c4o7Ofw9bnw
redpill me on Schnittke
>>123596819https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RrLWema4tUSchnittke Gross Concerto
>>123597520Ew that's gross
>>123597536kek
Can Brahms fans tell me what it is about his music that appeals to them? Whenever I listen to it I find it far too mechanical, especially compared to Wagner, Bruckner and Mahler.
>>123598720do wagnersisters really
>>123598720It just sounds good. Gorgeous melodies, immense emotional depth, and brilliant structures. What's 'mechanical' about the 3rd and 4th symphonies, the German Requiem, the piano and clarinet quintets, the Hungarian Dances, the violin concerto, the violin and cello sonatas, and so on? I'm not even sure what you mean by 'mechanical' but I've read his works used to be criticized for being too academic, so I suppose there must be something to it, and if I were to be charitable I guess I can kinda hear what you mean in the piano trios and piano quartets and other string ensemble works and his solo piano music, but I still love 'em.
>>123598720I find his music pretty tuneful. Like the string quintets and sextets: one good tune after another. That first theme of his first violin sonata, what's not to like? His choral pieces like Nanie and Schicksalslied which are sublime. Ihr habt nun Traurigkeit from Deutsches Requiem, what a blissful aria! There's just so much.
>>123598720It's good.
>>123598947I think I mean 'mechanical' in the sense that to me the certainly solid structure of his music comes at the expense of that sense of daring and excitement and experimentation I get from many of his contemporaries. I don't recall his work ever surprising me, it always feels terribly safe. His work being called too academic is a description I definitely understand.Perhaps it's an acquired taste. And admittedly most of what I've listened to has been his symphonies and piano work.
now playingstart of Duruflé's Requiem, Op. 9https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpaDxhQQgiw&list=OLAK5uy_kpY7x65VnO6L9OjQ_ihH42JW9alZtkPJk&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kpY7x65VnO6L9OjQ_ihH42JW9alZtkPJk
>A few years ago I was deeply ashamed when I discovered in several Schubert songs, well-known to me, that I had absolutely no idea what was going on in the poems on which theywere based. But when I had read the poems it became clear to me that I had gained absolutely nothing for the understanding of the songs thereby, since the poems did not make it necessary for me to change my conception of the musical interpretation in the slightest degree. On the contrary, it appeared that, without knowing the poem, I had grasped the content, the real content, perhaps even more profoundly than if I had clung to the surface of the mere thoughts expressedin words. For me, even more decisive than this experience was the fact that, inspired by the sound of the first words of the text, I had composed many of my songs straight throughto the end without troubling myself in the slightest about the continuation of the poetic events, without even grasping them in the ecstasy of composing, and that only days later I thoughtof looking back to see just what was the real poetic content of my song. It then turned out, to my greatest astonishment, that I had never done greater justice to the poet than when, guided by my first direct contact with the sound of the beginning, I divined everything that obviously had to follow this first sound with inevitability.
>>123599486>the certainly solid structure of his music comes at the expense of that sense of daring and excitement so in other words like bruckner
>>123599543nice green text fail but still fairly interesting and i agree actually, reading the poems upon which a lieder was based has never enhanced my understanding of the music
Can Wagner fans tell me what it is about his music that appeals to them? Whenever I listen to it I find it far too bloated, especially compared to Brahms, Bruckner and Mahler.
>>123599611take estradiol and find out
now playingPrélude à l'après-midi d'un faune, CD 87a:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCphwVnD_hM&list=OLAK5uy_lLsiHDp3V-PnVbYfNHVBz9h6AuK-JNNik&index=2start of Nocturnes, CD 98:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlLbAUX43PM&list=OLAK5uy_lLsiHDp3V-PnVbYfNHVBz9h6AuK-JNNik&index=3start of Pelléas et Mélisande, CD 93, Suite (Arr. Leinsdorf):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvl4yKYqiz4&list=OLAK5uy_lLsiHDp3V-PnVbYfNHVBz9h6AuK-JNNik&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lLsiHDp3V-PnVbYfNHVBz9h6AuK-JNNikFavorite recording(s) of Debussy's orchestral music?
Mozart, Haydn and Brahms are similar in a way that they are very strictly "mechanical" and "academic", unlike most other composers. If you can't enjoy Brahms for "mechanical" reasons, then you have to justify liking Mozart and Haydn somehow(assuming you do).
>>123599909Good lord these are boring...
let's try Hurwitz's reference recording for Brahms' piano concertos...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZPyN67uRlE&list=OLAK5uy_mhcsScrp7itGgthfyUGvYq2OUWWW8vYvc&index=1
>>123599909>Favorite recording(s) of Debussy's orchestral music?Boulez desu
Is there a single Debussy piece that is even half as memorable, pleasant and excellent as Clair de Lune?
>>123600583Most of them
>>123600583Sunken Cathedral is my absolute favourite of his, even more than Clair de Lune.
>>123600583For me its the violin sonatahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p1HDpf48Tg
>>123600583The string quartet, violin sonata, and cello sonata.
>>123600583Arabesque No 1
>>123591735Mozart is so darn boring
>>123591735Definitely one of my favorite recordings of that work. Sokolov is great for Mozart, and others too.
now playingMetamorphosen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6zG2nT3ZoI&list=OLAK5uy_lNyaKavxiEJRlLOJ9MX1fzwcYk2DJngI0&index=1start of An Alpine Symphony, Op. 64:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW4qvDG3JVA&list=OLAK5uy_lNyaKavxiEJRlLOJ9MX1fzwcYk2DJngI0&index=3https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lNyaKavxiEJRlLOJ9MX1fzwcYk2DJngI0Very excited for this one, first time listening to Kempe and I've heard his Strauss recordings are among the very finest available.
>>123600817low IQ post
Whatever happened to this guy?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB3swE4D-Qw&ab_channel=BOOMTOWNMEDIA
Liszt/ Paganini Etude no.6https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Blf8Y527DY&ab_channel=AlexanderLubyantsev
Steve Reich Mallet Quartethttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH9ku-52PUA&ab_channel=SandboxPercussion
now playingstart of Liszt's Piano Concerto No. 1 in E-Flat Major, S. 124:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbgYtzP_KLk&list=OLAK5uy_lBskjtSz6MTf4-srOrezlvfnreGpRDqVM&index=2start of Grieg's Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 16:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFC8bf-GVVY&list=OLAK5uy_lBskjtSz6MTf4-srOrezlvfnreGpRDqVM&index=9https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBskjtSz6MTf4-srOrezlvfnreGpRDqVM
I’m sick of huge orchestras. Give me the most bare bones classical music possible.
>>123603034https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWVUp12XPpU
>>123603072Love Petrenko's take here.
>>123603072Avante-Garde is the only music worth listening to. All the other stuff out there is just repetitive crap.Also, Philip Glass went to Juilliard and John Cage went to Pomona College. If Mozart and Bach were truly good musicians, they would have gone to excellent schools as well, but they didn't because they had no talent, and basically just repeated what composers before them wrote.Unlike homophobic classical composers, John Cage wasn't afraid to push the boundaries of music by writing pieces such as 4' 33". Have Mozart, Bach, or Beethoven written something as novel and innovative as that - letting the beauty of silence be a defining characteristic of their music?Checkpoint, classictards.
>>123603034I mean that's what chamber music is for.Look here:https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/compilation-of-the-tc-top-recommended-lists.17996/and take your pick of, depending what you're wanting, anything under the string ensemble, string sonatas, solo strings, or solo piano works section.
Alessandro Marcello: Oboe Concerto in D minorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nsukCeXZLA&ab_channel=KelseyMaiorano
>>123603113bait is supposed to be believable
>>123603338Canned response
>>123598720https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpdx6lQGd8Esounds good to me
>>123603338That pasta is older than you are
9 > 7 > 8 > 3 > 6 > 5 > 4 > 2 > 1But am I talking about Beethoven or Bruckner ;)
>>123603817It's pretty obvious
>>123603832Very.
Joseph W. Polisi President, the Juilliard School. Underrated:I have to name two composers - Alban Berg and Haydn. ''Wozzeck'' and ''Lulu'' are two 20th-century masterpieces which prove that opera of this century can integrate music and drama as well as anything composed in earlier times. Berg's Violin Concerto and ''Lyric Suite'' are also compositions of enormous strength and influence. And Haydn's irregular phrase lengths, innovative harmonies and inexhaustible melodic varieties stamp him as a creative genius. Overrated: Camille Saint-Saens. Although I am indebted to him for a fine bassoon sonata (we bassoonists can't be too choosy) there are very few of his works which are compelling. They often sound inflated far beyond the basic ideas upon which they are based.
Frederica von Stade Mezzo-soprano: Underrated: Bellini.His melodies are the most hauntingly beautiful ever conceived for the human voice. If the librettos of his operas leave something to be desired, so do some of those set by Verdi, Richard Strauss and even Wagner. That is no reason why a Bellini opera should not be in the standard repertory of every major opera house. Opera is singing, and singing flourishes when it can caress a melody. Overrated: Beethoven.Oops! I know I've just said something which will infuriate the majority of music lovers. Don't get me wrong. I adore Beethoven, but what I don't adore is the fact that too many are satisfied with making him the most potent composer at the box office by refusing to open their ears to other composers, such as Debussy, Bruckner, Hindemith or Berg. God gave us not a few but many geniuses.
now playingPsalm 23, Op. 14:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXyEqCz2QtU&list=OLAK5uy_ltA848YiACmRXpoc35VlJrqEg4efoXS-g&index=2start of Symphony No. 2 in B flat:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxOPsBKAwl4&list=OLAK5uy_ltA848YiACmRXpoc35VlJrqEg4efoXS-g&index=2https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ltA848YiACmRXpoc35VlJrqEg4efoXS-gFirst time listening to Zemlinsky, hopefully it's good! Also added his Lyric Symphony (Maazel / BPO) and some Lieder. Any thoughts or other recommendations from this composer?
Charles Rosen Pianist and music scholar.Underrated: John Browne.He was the greatest composer in England at the end of the 15th century, in the period between Dunstable and Tallis. He wrote powerful and affecting music. And we know almost nothing about him; the only evidence of his existence comes from a manuscript found at Eton. Overrated: Antonio Vivaldi.I'm tired of him. Stravinsky once said that Vivaldi wrote the same concerto 500 times. I disagree. Instead, I think he began 500 concertos and never achieved anything in them. So he kept trying over and over again without ever quite succeeding.
>>123604038>Antonio Vivaldi.I'm tired of him. Stravinsky once said that Vivaldi wrote the same concerto 500 times. I disagree. Instead, I think he began 500 concertos and never achieved anything in them. So he kept trying over and over again without ever quite succeeding.kek
>>123604038so. fucking. based.
>>123603630evidently not>>123603817obviously beethoven, no one rates bruckner’s 3rd that highly>>123604012very true>>123604025very stupid, singers truly are the dumbest performers>>123604038a perennial classic
>>123604037This is excellent, why hasn't anyone recommended me this before? Take a listen if you're into late romantic era stuff, or even if not!
>>123604239check his string quartets
I like harpsichord
>>123604276Will do, thanks. Also added the LaSalle recordings.
>>123604239because zemlinsky has been totally memoryholed, even though he was friends with mahler and schoenberg.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/J-5tjHxUKX0pls rate my melody, dear classicalfags.
>>123604654quite rancid
>>123604654cute, wholesome, and kinda catchy! Keep working on your craft, anon.
>>1236038173 > 8 > 7 > 5 > 9 > 6 > 4 > 2 > 1
Goddamn I love Brahms' clarinet quintet (and sonatas), one of the great all-time masterpieces of music. Favorite recording(s)? Trying this one out and it's pretty good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1uB9YJKB8U&list=OLAK5uy_ml5jE403P5skxV9nJ9QOhaplbWm6_tuZs&index=13
>>123604239He's part of that group of 20th century composers that got overlooked for seemingly no reason. There's a few others like that. Chailly did a lot of reignite interest in his music and it's becoming more and more common to hear his stuff in the concert hall.
>>123605024https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrZ1Xm-eJAMIf you like Brahms' writing for clarinet check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mee_frrEVAWhich features clarinet and piano sonatas. He also wrote them for viola but clarinet is much better.
>>123605087Ah that's good to hear. Yeah I just happened to randomly come across that recording while trying to search for a recording of his arrangement for piano 4 hands of Mahler's 6th, not having any idea who he was whatsoever, and once I saw Chailly had recorded it I had to give it a try.
>>123605158Awesome, thanks, added both.
Why do so many recordings put the overture or complimentary orchestral piece after the main symphony? When performed in a concert, that piece would obviously be the opener, right? So why not on the recording? I always play it first anyway and move it to the front of the line on the playlist so it doesn't affect me, but if I had it on CD or LP I'd be kinda peeved.
>>123604012Opera is bad enough. Modernist opera is a next level of terrible
>>123605402I would agree in terms of the totality of 20th century output but Wozzeck is still the best opera ever made and the ones penned by Bartok, Janacek, and Debussy are up there as well
>>123589884Is it just me or does Felix Weingartner look a lot like Elon Musk?
>>123605493Yeah a little bit
>>123593880Is musescore free?
let's try...MacMillan's Larghetto for Orchestra:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUygvbah1GM&list=OLAK5uy_mvLiZY8AGLwW-riyEWeWOnsV-MjbmV_Kw&index=6Brahms' Symphony No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 98:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luMVuuZ8_S4&list=OLAK5uy_mvLiZY8AGLwW-riyEWeWOnsV-MjbmV_Kw&index=2
>>123605246Only recording that I can think of that sequences the undercard piece first is this Deutsche Grammophon CD reissue of Holst’s Planets. Strauss’s Zarathustra plays first on it. https://www.discogs.com/release/23299925-Gustav-Holst-Richard-Strauss-Boston-Symphony-Orchestra-William-Steinberg-Gustav-Holst-The-Planets-Ri
>>123605675Pic does too, but that one a little different because I see those two as works of equal 'weight,' but I suppose Zarathustra is significantly shorter. My complaint is more like recordings of, say, Brahms' 2nd Symphony will have the Tragic Overture placed at the end of the recording, that just seems silly. I mean I suppose if I put my charitable hat on, I get it because it makes sense to put the work people are most likely buying the release primarily for first, but still, I'd prefer it to simulate a concert experience, which I think the show should end as the 'main work' or top card work ends.Like on this recording: >>123605660If I went to the concert, because this recording was taken from a live show, I would hope the 15min MacMillan piece came first and not after the Brahms 4, but on the recording it does. But hey maybe that's how they did it at the show too but that's silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ2L690mgbY&t=869This performance of Beethoven's 9th is really good overall but I just wanted to point out the second movement in particular has such an astoundingly amazing, pulse pounding performance. My usual favorites sound like pussy shit compared to this, wow. And the recording sounds so good too
>>123606095The Leibowitz Beethoven cycle was extremely fortunate to have been recorded by Kenneth Wilkinson, who was responsible for many of the best sounding classical records, such as Bohm's Bruckner 4th and many of the Living Stereo recordings. A few of his other engineering masterpieces:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FK1WTjJWbKMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qlky23vf_rAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXSTNZ6yKbc
Apparently musescore is free, but for a lot of people trying to make and share their classical music compositions, it'd be useless
>>123593855If I was interesting in making music that's probably what I'd do, go for it.
I find this album cover quite comical, like his head is a meteor crashing into the piano. Nice recording too, about time I listen to Saint-Saens' piano concertos in-depth.
brat is supposed to be believable
>>123605024For the sonatas. The awesome cover art doesn't hurt (Hodler)
>>123606639Worst cover ever lol
Where's Brahms memes? Oh that's right, he's too boring for memes.
>>123609072Yeah with Brahms, it's the music that matter not the memes, as opposed to Wagner.
>>123609203This
>>123589884I have a question. Is jazz music written in classical forms jazz music or classical music?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niXSRsGz_1Q
I think I might need a part time day job to supplement my music income
>>123610098not my problem.
>>123609203That would make sense if the Wagner fans were more concerned with memes than music, but they're not, so this just sounds like cope.
the Vagner meme
>>123610504I still remember the first time
Chopinhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Umyegh_W7w
>>123610563>mono>hissWay to ruin the experience of a great piece such as a Ballade.
>>123610600audiophile fuck off
>>123610189you’re right, wagner fans are more concerned with HRT than either>>123611106hisstranny fuck off
Handelhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hTgvmvrvjM
>>123610563Charming performance.
Best performer of Bach's organ works???
bros, counterpoint may be the most perfect form of music.https://vocaroo.com/1bWFj1aZUfTgeven my crappy counterpoint exercises sound beter than my non counterpoint stuff.wtf
>>123611988if this is your definition of a contrapuntal exercise i have bad news for you
>>123612086I have no teacher and I'm mostly trying to guess stuff from a book.
>>123612106you’re clearly reading the wrong book, you should be reading fux’s gradus ad parnassum
>>123612124I read that like a year ago.I'm trying to self teach me harmony by training my ear to how chords sound.It's like learning to see colors in painting.
>>123612146>I read that like a year ago.clearly you learnt nothing from it and did none of the contrapuntal exercises given what you’ve posted.>It's like learning to see colors in painting.very fucking retarded. you don’t happen to be a german pedophile tripfag do you?
>>123612172you seem missing my point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZRkKDca1LcThis was me after doing Fux exercises.What I am now doing is learning to train my ear to see harmony, like when you see a paint and can tell the names of the colors.>germanNo, I'm south american.
>>123612212without even checking the intervals between the voices, i can already hear multiple errors in the melodic contour writing. go back and read fux again. >What I am now doing is learning to train my ear to see harmony, like when you see a paint and can tell the names of the colors.a waste of time, especially given the results you’re posting. you’re better off doing fux (correctly) for a year before even thinking about any intervals that aren’t thirds, fifths, sixths or octaves.
>>123612256what I need is more practice.My current goal is to reach to 500 compositions.I realized by doing that I will rediscover by trial and error the rules of what sounds good or bad.
>>123612316practicing the wrong thing over and over again will just make your music even shittier than it already is. you are mentally retarded.
>>123612322I'm being very methodical and just doing experiments and using my ear to understand what happens.I think this is how the renaisance masters learned the rules.By trial and error.
>>123612334the renaissance masters refined their craft over centuries with successive generations passing knowledge down to the next in order to form the groundwork of tonality. you are just a brown retard writing lots of shitty music. cease your delusions of grandeur.
>>123612350I never claimed to be better than palestrina, nor I claimed my goal was to be better than the old masters.I simply want to learn to make something better than modern videogame music.
>>123612379you're failing, particularly and especially because you're apparently illiterate.
>>123612393my goal is to imitate uematsu, bro.But I love the sound of SOTN baroque pieces.you seem to be angry for no particular reason.
>>123612124>fux’s gradus ad parnassumHow about Goetschius' Elementary Counterpoint Exercises book?
>>123612584not familiar with it, but there is really no reason to start with anything other than gradus ad parnassum. it worked for the viennese school; if it doesn’t work for you, the issue is on your end.
If you don’t know much about Erik Satie, there is one word that describes him well: eccentric (and that’s putting it nicely!). Among the many, many strange things about Satie was his diet. He wrote letters to himself quite frequently, and in some of these letters he described his diet which was comprised of foods that were mostly white in color: eggs, sugar, shredded bones, animal fat, veal, salt, coconuts, rice, pasta, turnips, chicken cooked in white water, white cheese, cotton salad, and certain kinds of fish. One has to ask: Why not black foods, or blue foods, or green eggs and ham?
>>123611925i like weinberger
>>123611925Walcha.
Rattle does a superb Mahler 7. Apparently it was a stellar performance of the work in '99 that clinched his appointment as the Berlin Philharmonic's next Chief Conductor!
>>123612984>rattle>superbLMFAO
>>123612991I was surprised too but it really is great:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtemjFaj2u8
>>123613012>this recording was shilled by tony dugganchrist, no wonder it fucking sucks.
>>123613049Well, I thought it was really good when I listened to it last night. The Abbado-Chicago one also clicked for me the other day, which iirc is your favorite.
>>123606288man these recordings sound so good i wonder why we can't replicate this with modern recordings
>>123613096the whole goddamn symphony sounds like it's being played fortissimo in this recording, it's absurd. >>123613106i posted about why 50s/60s analog recordings tend to sound so much better than modern digital recording before, let me copy and paste it here: >old analog gear was designed back when objective approaches to audio equipment design did not exist. engineers essentially had to rely on their ears to tell them what sounded best instead of aiming for the best possible paper specifications. now that audio science has dissected everything you could ever wish to know about frequency response and SND ratios down to a science, none of these lazy bastards give enough of a shit to sit down and really think about whether or not the amplifier/A/D converter/preamp/whatever they’re designing even sounds good to begin with. for the supposed audiophile labels like channel classics or reference recordings, modern day audiophiles are all deaf boomers that prioritize “detail” over pretty much everything else, even at the expense of dynamics or liveliness or timbral correctness, so the labels accommodate their target market.there's also the fact that conducting talent like monteux and martinon no longer exists in any capacity, but that's a different discussion entirely.
>>123613167Well, I appreciate you giving it a try. Though I wish you would have tried the Lopez-Cobos M9 from the other day instead because I figured there's no chance you'd like a Rattle recording anyway lol.>the whole goddamn symphony sounds like it's being played fortissimo in this recording, it's absurd.Where does he go wrong?
>>123613213>Where does he go wrong?literally from the opening measures marked pianissimo. the fact that it sounds equally as loud as the beginning of the finale marked forte and fortissimo is pretty telling.
What composers were NEETS
>>123605402>opera is badyou don't like classical
>>123605402retard opinion
>>123613106Modern day audio engineers are largely just less interventionist overall, they pretty much just put microphones down and try to get a realistic perspective and let it rollOlder engineers really put in a lot of effort to make things sound brilliant even at the cost of realism. That Borodin recording sounds great but it isn't a realistic concert hall sound at all
>>123614622except modern day recordings don't really sound realistic either, they just sound sterile and lacking in dynamics.
>>123614622Huh, interesting.
>>123608072Thanks! Added.
>>123613167I think early stereo recordings tend to overdo the stereo effect. I understand that they wanted to make use of the novelty of stereo and make sure that you can hear it.
>>123614881true as it is, that has no relation to anything i'm talking about with regards to recording fidelity.
>>123614680I wouldn't really say dynamics is something they lack, if anything the problem goes the other wayGoing back to the Borodin it isn't really a dynamic recording at all, it sounds compressed even. It's super loud
Beethoven 2 The Quickening. Lizsthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLpEQXsIaP4&list=PL0tkG0S-_tkVzi8EDlnu8c5UBZv2eEAeY&index=2&ab_channel=MarcelSimader
>>123615099dynamics absolutely is something they lack. i'm not talking about sheer dynamic range on paper, i'm talking about the physical sensation of dynamic impact and range. subito forte and subito piano do not have any subito character to them on many modern recordings.
Borodin String Quartet no. 2 played by the Borodin String Quartet (Original Members) :)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2UXGQxZRys&list=OLAK5uy_nI4KmMyUGjU1t0vBaX3eNpQr2P2WOGLxM&index=5
>>123613383Mozart
I think the next Bruckner cycle I'm finally gonna listen to is Celibidache's. I read someone describing his approach as "cosmic and mystical" which, to me, sounds highly appealing. Should be a fun listen!
>>123615434more like highly appalling
>>123613385There's tons of classical music that isn't Opera.
>>123613383haydn
>>123613385>>123614430Opera sucks cock and I listen to more classical than you
>>123615652lmfao
i love janacek
>>123615652Why?
>>123615729Everything this guy did was great: chamber music, solo piano, opera
>>123615809very truehttps://youtu.be/OU2IPkoQjXI
Rimsky-Korsakov Fairy Tale Op29https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1P5EgJBe5j8&ab_channel=MarcelSimader
>>123615532and?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QU2oDVECfFI&ab_channel=%EA%B9%80%EC%A0%95%EC%97%B0 Sergei Rachmaninov: Capriccio on Gypsy Themes,
>>123615788because he's a retard
>>123615618he was literally employed by royalty
I made the mistake of clicking on this guy's videos again.>Ya know, regardless of how exceptionally technically proficient I am at all the other repertoire I play and record, it's always music like this that is the most intriguing and captivating to me. Pretty much no superfluous notes, nothing to show off [...]>So, on a slightly relevant side note, for reference I was only acquainted with this particular piece last Sunday, and it is entirely my own invented theories and methodologies that solved this music and helped me prepare this so quickly.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN2vk4lRkG8>those flamboyant/gay superfluous hand/arm movements>e.g. shoulder movement around 5:42>fingers often curved/bent awkwardlyWhat in the absolute fuck?It's like I click on this just to get mad.
Mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp7c_2iGBQE
>>123616518Thank you hisster sister.
>>123616518Performed for an audience of hissing snakes
>>123616644Not sure how this is a contribution to this thread, maybe try making good posts schlomosister?
>>123616652https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-p8YeIQkxs
>>123616701lmao, utterly mindbroken
>>123616701>Sclomosister>making good postsYou ask the impossible
>>123616263yes, he lived under esterhazy gibs his whole life
>>123616727This post is snakealicious
>>123616799that counts as employment dude
>>123616820It's like having a sugar daddy.
Last time we became ocean, now we become desert:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VN9TBfWAEo&ab_channel=SeattleSymphony-Topic
Many pianists are quite conscious now that a fortissimo in the eighteenth century is not nearly as loud as later, and I have heard a performance of a Mozart sonata in which a fortissimo would at no time go above the level of what I would consider a mezzo-forte. When Mozart wrote fortissimo he meant that the pianist should play as loud as he could at that time, but if you play a piece by Mozart or Haydn as loud as you can on a modern Steinway, it sounds terrible... On a piano of the eighteenth century fortissimo of course, presents no difficulty at all; you just bang.
>>123617260How loud should this be?
>>123616931not really, he wasn’t fucking the esterhazys.
>>123600050This is definitely one of my new go-to's for these works next to the Gilels / Jochum and Kovacevich / Davis recordings, highly recommended!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX2kkLVHckc&list=OLAK5uy_mhcsScrp7itGgthfyUGvYq2OUWWW8vYvc&index=4
now playingstart of Piano Concerto:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgEH7fH-i_w&list=OLAK5uy_kOCjb8P9Pf4ejWWNYbBcb-XXGStDQhvZM&index=2Concert Rhapsody for Piano and Orchestra in D-Flat Major:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVwXDazE_Q&list=OLAK5uy_kOCjb8P9Pf4ejWWNYbBcb-XXGStDQhvZM&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kOCjb8P9Pf4ejWWNYbBcb-XXGStDQhvZM
brahms
>>123618133Agreed.
>>123618133brother
>>123618133brahms scherzohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgTLRKfGgXA
now playingstart of Symphony No. 3 in E-Flat Major, Op. 97 "Rhenish"(Re-Orchestrated by G. Mahler):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmTg7hG3XNc&list=OLAK5uy_kiAO-IniVgTBRaIhdtlEse4Z3z6Vnd3p8&index=2Symphony No. 4 in D Minor, Op. 120 "Clara Symphonie" (Re-Orchestrated by G. Mahler):https://www.youtube.com/watch?\v=1wPnDQuRP28&list=OLAK5uy_kiAO-IniVgTBRaIhdtlEse4Z3z6Vnd3p8&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kiAO-IniVgTBRaIhdtlEse4Z3z6Vnd3p8
>>123618622dykey alslop? nah
>>123618648Sounds great to me so far, and I also quite liked her Brahms cycle that someone else here recommended. But I'm also waiting for RT to come back up to grab the Chailly / Gewandhaus recording of these re-orchestrated symphonies, so maybe you'd prefer those.
>>123618678i prefer the chailly cycle, yeah
>>123618721I do gotta say though, either Alsop's 3rd is really good, the re-orchestration makes that much of a difference for me, or I'm just super in the mood for it right now, as this the most I've enjoyed listening to Schumann's 3rd in quite some time. Definitely gonna listen to all of Alsop's recordings of these before moving onto the Chailly one.
>>123618772the mahler reorchestrations are pretty good, yeah.
>>123618772>>123618908Personally I mostly like it for the 3rd, because it's easily Schumann at his worst in terms of orchestration, but I'll still take good performances of the originals in the other symphonies.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQilZAxrUiY
>>123619095Still into this guy's music, huh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iGay9QsynQ
>>123619092Ah guess I got lucky with the one I started with lol.
>>123619112no. I just post Kapustin to piss people off.
>>123619143:pIt's pretty, tune-y music, no doubt, just not for me.
now playingSzenen aus Goethes Faust, WoOoOoOoOoO 3:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zv1pGy7cHM&list=OLAK5uy_knxxoU03OkB7ei9P_sK9qIAQ-zCfm3NBY&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_knxxoU03OkB7ei9P_sK9qIAQ-zCfm3NBY
Which symphonies to start with Ries? I added a recording of his piano trios too.
now playingstart of Violin Concerto, Op. 33, FS 61:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_0_-14vkag&list=OLAK5uy_l1P3LPV0rIvUF3Rj7wXt_tt4iJNOsuTog&index=2start of Flute Concerto, FS 119:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yyx2zjCYu_A&list=OLAK5uy_l1P3LPV0rIvUF3Rj7wXt_tt4iJNOsuTog&index=6Clarinet Concerto, Op. 57, FS 129:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLzIPmlHX2o&list=OLAK5uy_l1P3LPV0rIvUF3Rj7wXt_tt4iJNOsuTog&index=7https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l1P3LPV0rIvUF3Rj7wXt_tt4iJNOsuTogHighly recommended, particularly the violin and clarinet concertos.
>>123619143I enjoyed listening to Mr. Rogers. Thank you for posting >>123619095
>>123619095Neat I really need to dig into this guy's music.I see that the Pencil Neck Pianist posted a video and performance of Kapustin's first sonata.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZyfg9SE5KsI'm jelly of this dude's hand size. It's not fair!! Ahhh
>>123615434The 9th on this is 77 minutes long, what a madman.
>>123621029Wow. I like this first sonata a lot more than the 19th. It might be the next piece I learn after I finish busting my ass on Szym's Metopy... or I might go back and play Variations in Bb minor first for something easier/shorter, and then Kapustin.
>>123621223yes, he was literally mentally ill
Why did Schubert like his Wanderer theme so much?
>>123622203Maybe he was gay
Post some romantic brandenburgs.https://youtu.be/EEY9BrgBL4Q?list=PL4D14bmfCxVUUKOmB74q27M2-SLkzHLIU
>>123622430>Chaconne>Brandenburg 5 Movement 1>Kyrie Eleison>Orchestral Suite 4 Overture>French Overture's Overture>Ricercar a 6What are some more Bach movements whose performance generally take 10+ minutes?
What are the best recordings of Vivaldi's Four Seasons?
>>123622916Listen to a better composer instead
>>123622916https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfH3Gfkgzm8The RCA Viktor recording by Vittorio Emanuele. It has everything perfect IMO>Harpsichord in the middle at the perfect volume as to not obstruct the bass part but still provides noticeable continuo>Excellent stereo separation, you can point to everything in the orchestra>Just all around solid performance
>>123610504I remember still the first time I saw the Vagner meme.It was 73, Brahmscuck was on /classical/ with the trusty Sibelius. I'd never seen Vagner before, and found myself thoroughly entertained. I'd heard Vagner was a tranny meme, and it certainly showed in its humor. I distinctly remember smirking to the memes. But nothing could prepare me for the absolute show of wit that was about to come in first syllable of the word Vagner, when happened the eponymous vag.Vagina! A single pun, and just after Wagner’s name! I burst out laughing. "Oh Brahmscuck" I remember thinking, barely managing to think straight at all between my chuckles and wheezing. "What a prankster! What a jokester!"/classical/ attemped to calm me down, some even asking how I'd not known about the famous Vagner by then, popular as it was. Were they not happy one had been lucky enough to live to that point and still feel the pure, unadulterated Brahmscuck genius? Were they jealous? I did not know then, and do not care now.I tried to calm myself, but kept chuckling all throughout the Vagners in the next post. At the edge of my seat, I waited for the repeat of the Vagner, this time hoping to control myself. Imagine my surprise then, during the next Brahmscuck post, when the Vagner surprised me further by not showing up at all! At that point I feared for my life, such was the lack of oxygen from my guffawling fit.They only managed to removed me from the thread putting an end to my disruption after I'd already soaked the board in urine.
>>123622430https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r_40CxO7ZY
Is there any site that indexes what precise models of instrument are used for each recording? I wanna listen to the same Bach piece on different harpsichords that progressively get newer.
>>123624907HIPster autism be like
>>123624958Harpsichords aren't even HIP, they're just instruments that are part of the repertoire. Not asking for one instrument per part no string-vibrato bullshit. Just asking for a fucking instrument catalogue, nigger.
>>123624975Dude racism, not cool go to /b/
>>123624975>HIPster autist trying to invent problems that don't existtypical
>>123625007dw im black and ukranian, I can say it. and you now also have the nigger pass
>>123625019Ok thanks
>>123625010I'm just asking because it'd be neat
if one argues that the hierarchic thinking that lies at the core of Schenkerian theory is white and racist, what is one to make of the fact that in West Africa, too, modes of hierarchic thinking are pronounced and functionally indispensable to an understanding of many an expressive structure, musical as well as non-musical? The worst consequence of claiming technical procedures for whiteness is denying the existence of shared ways of proceeding, and in effect enjoining our hypothetical West African theorist to go look for something different, a new grounding principle, better if it is anchored in nonhierarchy, something uniquely his own, something 'black.' The domain of blackness is thus defined in its non-intersection with whiteness. I fail to see how such a strategy can be empowering for black scholars.
>>123625031you're asking because you have too much time on your hands
This is excellent, any other choral works performed with a string quartet or similar?
>>123625084Is it that alien to you to think>Man I quite like the sound of this particular harpsichordLike I prefer for example Gustav Leonhardt's harpsichord over Karl Richter's. I'd want a site that catalogues what models of harpsichords they'd use so I can see what the differences are between each instrument and what the general trends are depending on what country and time they were built in.
now playingstart of Symphony No. 7 in A Minor, Op. 181:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s33h2Lbmd-U&list=OLAK5uy_lotnHbgvsnBbuKlNsBLFbLNnvQSaMazmw&index=2start of Symphony No. 8 in E-Flat Major, WoO 30:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5t83BopeR4&list=OLAK5uy_lotnHbgvsnBbuKlNsBLFbLNnvQSaMazmw&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lotnHbgvsnBbuKlNsBLFbLNnvQSaMazmwIf you want some more Beethoven-esque symphonies (Ries was a prominent student of his), check this out!
>>123625157only a retard HIPster could come up with such inconsequential tism
>>123625157Pretty based.
>>123625134https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_CyHnaiH6c&list=OLAK5uy_kOX4ICTGeIgE1jGzQ0oMx3uwl3QZ3mfAk&index=1
>>123621571ngl I'm actually really liking them so far
Celibidache more like Celibidouche
>>123625714Celi was basically the perfect Bruckner conductor in every regard except tempo.
>>123625800I find the more familiar I am with a work, the more amenable I am to slower interpretations. I mean this is just perfect:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XjG-gV3CyE&list=OLAK5uy_nRUBJwqtnVVtHg2x7el_iCaB77XDpncGI&index=2
Schoenberghttps://youtu.be/AABQYAPK_Ek
Besides the Bach suites, what is some other notable solo-cello repertoire?
>>123625900Britten has some cello suites.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NENhoZHqZW4
>>123625900Kodalyhttps://youtu.be/ytepXpkBOnY?si=or1c0cqO9likC8mS
>>123625714my condolences>>123625800LMFAOOOOOOO>>123625818how hideously vile
>>123625951>how hideously vileHonestly I was transfixed the entire 27:35 long movement. Definitely a top three 7th for me already, and it ain't 3rd!
>>123625972i only pray that you overcome your illness sooner rather than later.
>>123625988I know, you prefer your music Gotta Go Fast! and often times I agree but whatever Celibidache is doing for Bruckner is really working for me. "Cosmic and mystical" was an accurate description.
>>123626070there's really nothing mystical about taking a cantabile melody and stretching it out until it no longer has any semblance of being singable. it's just fucking retarded.
>>123625900Regerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVgEhrv_jFE&list=PLCkf-kXr7XqVpHzYC6gEJiwZbAdZoPjCV
>>123625525Good stuff, and I added the recording so thanks, but where's the singing?
now playingstart of Kodály's Sonata for Solo Cello, Op. 8:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkXeDhFYK6Y&list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ&index=2Cello Sonatina, K. 30:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJmqQuwixk4&list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ&index=5start of Epigrammák, K. 157:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0VZwAU2KvA&list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ&index=6Romance lyrique for Cello & Piano, K. 6:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNi8MtD-4CI&list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ&index=15Adagio, K. 21:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3fomh6Gu74&list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ&index=15https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mH8Q8BJDgFj3NHarOzZrkLrlyz65JsYGQ>>123625925>>123626121NTA but neat, thanks.
Man I really wish Bruckner wrote more chamber music, his string quartet and quintet are stupendous. Same with Mahler, imagine what a piano trio written by him would have sounded like. On that note, any recommendations for piano trios from roughly that era and after, so post-Dvorak? I know of Ravel's and Shostakovich's but that's it.
>>123626156i assumed that it was for strings only
>>123626577Ah. Nah, there are versions like that, like the Muti recording I checked out right before (though that's with a full orchestra, the BPO), but that one had singing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qId4w_6QZts&list=OLAK5uy_k_Qdd1TQnXJJqZIqOjfnuKQ6vNcxxX6RE&index=2
Why was Bach so arbitrary when naming his suites?>Cello Suite>Orchestral SuiteBut then for the violin, flute and keyboard he calls them partitas? Whats the reason?
>>123626755The bigger question: Did anyone actually dance to these pieces at the time or were they more just meant for listening?
now playingstart of Piano Trio in C Minor, Op. 5:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gteuHb6N6kg&list=OLAK5uy_kq4xqqWtEi-VSAOEnTh_H02MoktFwRTaM&index=3start of 4 Pieces, Op. 70:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbH-BFkghzI&list=OLAK5uy_kq4xqqWtEi-VSAOEnTh_H02MoktFwRTaM&index=6Romance in F Major for Viola and Piano, Op. 85:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxZw-6eUO8k&list=OLAK5uy_kq4xqqWtEi-VSAOEnTh_H02MoktFwRTaM&index=9start of String Quartet No. 2 in E Major, Op. 10:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3RIyvuPGvE&list=OLAK5uy_kq4xqqWtEi-VSAOEnTh_H02MoktFwRTaM&index=10
John Cagehttps://youtu.be/8rPeVce1k1M?si=uO_q5W1ky3Tq3Isj
Favorite recording(s) of Shostakovich's 11th and 15th symphonies?
John Cage https://youtu.be/wQeNHAjC6ro?si=4LCQuDENEW5lF4Ay
John Cage https://youtu.be/p-3iLnXV90s?si=_Pm7u4RGkQwmJFJG
>>123628012the one that ends the quickest
>>123628012None. Shostakovich is shit.
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