Feldman editionThis thread is for the discussion of music in the Western classical tradition.>How do I get into classical?This link has resources including audio courses, textbooks and selections of recordings to help you start to understand and appreciate classical music:https://pastebin.com/NBEp2VFhPreviously on /classical/: >>123589884
Let's start the thread with some Mortyhttps://youtu.be/QPMUHVza-KA?si=IwffDRUX3Mse73_m
>>123625900Just discovered Weinberg's 24 Preludes for Solo Cello:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5GopGg-p4U&list=OLAK5uy_n_XLKEdXDQRQytsXcv2xuxzIX1fI52hAM&index=5
now playingPiano Trio No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 8:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnkzRuMOUZg&list=OLAK5uy_nLT-Jomhz8FZxIjkeNzUodad_fwSlh3PE&index=2start of Piano Trio No. 2, Op. 67:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_1t60UuszA&list=OLAK5uy_nLT-Jomhz8FZxIjkeNzUodad_fwSlh3PE&index=3start of Sonata for Viola and Piano, Op. 147:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZaOgzobfgo&list=OLAK5uy_nLT-Jomhz8FZxIjkeNzUodad_fwSlh3PE&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nLT-Jomhz8FZxIjkeNzUodad_fwSlh3PE
>>123628318>>123628369wow look, it's all garbage
>>123628318what about Rick?
What recording should I listen to for Bach's Christmas Oratorio? Or is the answer, as usual, Richter or Jochum?
>>123628488Cope chudhttps://youtu.be/ZGuv84Q9awc?si=pRMUzAmwgH-Yuzo5
>>123628568about what? bad music?
>>123628518This cover is awesome. Also how come no one ever talks about Bach's Easter Oratorio?
>>123628620suzuki is such a shit conductor god damn
>>123628598Seethinghttps://youtu.be/cKlKqskzkaA?si=rWfnp1mVe0t_fhny
>>123628633don't worry I'm listening to this one, can't pass on Ormandy conducting Bach!
>>123628694about what? bad music?
>>123628701https://youtu.be/EZVsEbodf6o?si=OgqHTmQ8L4VM_MUo
>>123628727oh look, more bad music.
>>123628568My wish for a future lifetime is to come back in a society where Feldman's genius is universally appreciated; where a piece like this masterwork is heard regularly in concert halls around the world.
>>123628318This is really five and a half hours long, hot damn.
>>123628762and i wish for a billion dollars; guess neither of us are getting what we want. >>123628765five and a half hours of nothing
>>123628727I hear an entire orchestra here, with breath as the percussion.To speak of some of the sonorities merely as dissonant is to do a disservice to the years upon years the composer has devoted to listening to these sounds and exploring their various colorations and interactions. In effect, this music is beyond any oversimplified analysis of consonance and dissonance and exists in a freefloating sonic space all its own that demands a new way of listening.
now playingstart of Schubert's Symphony No. 8 in B Minor, D. 759, 'Unfinished':https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl37F-HXmKw&list=OLAK5uy_nNsYN92e-NpCnzRGxxQoQBMqry0pjCUTk&index=2start of Dvorak's Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, Op. 95, B. 178, 'From the New World':https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuT0VtuHFIM&list=OLAK5uy_nNsYN92e-NpCnzRGxxQoQBMqry0pjCUTk&index=3https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nNsYN92e-NpCnzRGxxQoQBMqry0pjCUTkMore Celibidache...
>>123628785a whole lot of words that say nothing>>123628796how utterly horrifying
>>123628765Imagine the score of a half hour symphony Now take one instrument from the composition and look at that part, say, the oboe. So we’re looking at a half hour symphonic part for the oboe Now we zoom in and look at every single note head and focus on its function within the entire compositionThat one note is like one of gazillion of stars on the symphonic night sky that I deem the entire composition, right ? And now I feel like Morton Feldman comes and composes one phrase for each one of those notesRepresenting that notes function within the grand picture And bingoWe have a 6hr piece about every note of the oboe part It forces me to rethink and question all the predisposed music rules that we grew up with
>>123628369I have this neat little set, which has the piano trio, the piano quintet and the preludes and fugues. Terrific stuff!
>>123628823that crack pipe must be hittin real good
>>123628828I saw that one when searching up and pulling the album cover from Amazon for the one I posted, looks great, excellent choice, can't ever go wrong with Ashkenazy for Russian music, especially paired with Harrell and then the Beaux Arts Trio.
>"At the end of the 1970s Feldman's works became immense: 'Violin and Orchestra' (1979) plays for over an hour, 'String Quartet (also 1979) for over an hour and a half, 'String Quartet II' (1983) for up to five and a half hours. The possibility of great length may have been opened by his soprano monodrama 'Neither' (1977), to a text written for him by Samuel Beckett; but a seventy-minute stage piece is not unusual, whereas a string quartet that goes on for hours without pause quite definitely is. So is the other monster in his output, the four-hour 'For Philip Guston' (1984). >'My whole generation', Feldman said, 'was hung up on the 20 to 25 minute piece. It was our clock. We all got to know it, and how to handle it. As soon as you leave the 20-25 minute piece behind, in a one-movement work, different problems arise. Up to one hour you think about form, but after an hour and a half, it's scale. Form is easy, just the division of things into parts. But scale is another matter.' Feldman spoke of 'the contradiction in not having the sum of the parts equal the whole': 'The scale of what is actually being represented is a phenomenon unto itself.' At the beginning of his career, Feldman has, even more than Cage, been influenced by the New York painters of his generation and the one before, and in his late works he may have wanted to achieve, as he did achieve, the kind of presence a large Rothko has by virtue of its scale: the grandeur and the strangeness that come simply from there being so much of it. (Yet, whether in Rothko or in Feldman, these gifts are not unearned: what they demand from their recipient is acceptance, not striving.)" Modern Music And After, Directions Since 1946, Paul Griffiths, Oxford University Press, 1995, P. 305.
>>123628858nigga no one cares lmao
>>123628812>how utterly horrifyingIt's sounding quite good so far. The ones you usually recommend, Szell and Munch, are excellent for the more playful approach, but I'm feeling more of a mood for profundity, which seems to be Celibidache's forte.
>>123628858Hmm, not for me, but intriguing I guess.
>>123628851>can't ever go wrong with Ashkenazy for Russian musicI have his complete set of Scriabin sonatas on order. He's a solid middle-of-the-road kinda pianist, I guess. Very reliable. And I want to get a solid set of Scriabin sonatas because his are the most important piano sonatas after Beethoven, no? :^)
>>123628867slow does not mean profound. slow means slow. celibidache is both slow and stupid.
"I have no need for "ideas" (in that I differ from Cage; he agrees on our differences). My pupils need them. When they ask me how I compose, I answer them: "I will tell you how you must compose.""My music sometimes seems mysterious. Part of the mystery comes from the fact that I wait, receptively, then I welcome, I accept... Listen, there are two kinds of people: the type that is only interested in what they understand, and the type that wants at all costs the hermetic mystery, enigmas. The first gets bored when they don't understand, the second is bored when they do understand. Me, I accept poetry, the inexplicable. Things are born in this waiting."
>>123628984>i have no ... ideasfor once, agreed!
Okay enough Feldman for today
>>123628918>He's a solid middle-of-the-road kinda pianist, I guess.For solo piano music, true. Where he really shines for Russian music is when he's conducting or playing piano in non-solo music, like his Rachmaninoff or Scriabin symphonies or the set of Russian Cello Sonatas he has with Harrell. And occasionally good for non-Russian music too, was listening to some of his Schubert Piano Trios earlier today, also with Harrell.And yeah I love Scriabin's piano sonatas. Ashkenazy's set is good, maybe also check out Hamelin. Been a while since I've listened to them though -- these days I'd probably give the edge to Prokofiev's piano sonatas, but if we're talking solo piano repertoire in general then Scriabin moves ahead with his etudes and preludes and such.
>>123628925You don't like Furtwangler either so I'm guessing you just don't like that entire range of interpretation anyway. Which is fine, different strokes and all, but it works for me and I'm really enjoying it.
>>123629075i don't dislike slow conductors on the whole; i have no contempt for karajan or giulini. i have contempt for slow, bad conductors.
>>123629097In what repertoire is Karajan notably slow?
>>123629182bruckner most obviously
B.https://youtu.be/r4_7LMrtUNY?si=x2KZhq_yfU7-RpC9&t=189
Beethoven’s deafness had not merely shut him off from the world; it had raised him into a new world: a world where, in the utter stillness of solitude, he had learned to listen to his soul, and thence to fashion tones which not only transcended his century but all time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eOaIiHB58U
now playingstart of Bagatelles, Op. 47:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCxIsYcsMyI&list=OLAK5uy_klp6kFCbYKm8acpSqgqZdrDfvr-hozLsg&index=2start of String Quartet No. 12 In F Major, Op. 96 "American" B. 179:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYCWH6Ev5s8&list=OLAK5uy_klp6kFCbYKm8acpSqgqZdrDfvr-hozLsg&index=7start of String Quartet No. 14 In A Flat Major, Op. 105, B. 193:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLVQa_YrsWA&list=OLAK5uy_klp6kFCbYKm8acpSqgqZdrDfvr-hozLsg&index=10https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_klp6kFCbYKm8acpSqgqZdrDfvr-hozLsgDidn't know Dvorak had Bagatelles, should be good.
>>123629548can you please not post Karajan?
>>123629579>Didn't know Dvorak had BagatellesHe only wrote bagatelles :^)
>>123628276favorite feldman recordings?California EAR Unit - For Philip Guston (or quite possibly the one with Eberhard Blum. have not heard it enough to say)UC Berkeley Choir - Rothko Chapel / Why patternsAki Takahashi - Tradic MemoriesCalifornia EAR Unit - Crippled SymmetryJohn Tilbury - All PianoFLUX Quartet - String Quartet No. 2underrated:Vienna Radio Orchestra - Coptic Light / StringQuartet and OrchestraEnsemble Modern - For Samuel Beckett
>>123629623Reason for disliking Karajan?
Feldman is the greatest post-WW2 composer. The only person who comes even close is Ligeti.The last decade of Feldman's work (roughly starting with his first String Quartet) is the single greatest stretch of any artist of the last 100 years, of any medium.
>>123629670do RYMtrannies really>>123629693karajan is a bad beethoven conductor, simple as
we forgot to celebrate the 150th birthday of Arnold Schönberg.
>>123629693repostingA tendency to fetishize a particular kind of "beautiful" sound, full, compact and dominated by main melodic voices, with soft attack and broad strokes. Homogeneity takes precedence over the articulation of the particular and over contrasts. Emphasis on a metronomic beat, Karajan regards notation as essentially complete in that regard. Active involvement in the recording and mixing of his recordings, which exacerbates some of those tendencies further and produced some staggeringly unnatural-sounding records, particularly in the 70s.Now, while this approach can produce great results in some repertoire (mostly 20th century music, like Strauss, Debussy, Schoenberg, Honegger), I feel that it runs contrary to the demands of much earlier music, especially the Austro-German classics: Bach, Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven, Brahms, Bruckner.All in all, Karajan was an immensely skilled conductor and orchestral trainer (which is evidenced by how similar his output with different orchestras is, at least if they're temporally close), but he developed a trademark sound which - being his trademark - he applied to everything.He's certainly one of the great and most influential conductors of the 20th century, but his fame tends to overshadow some currents of interpretation I consider more interesting and appropriate.
>>123629730>Feldman is the greatest post-WW2 composer.LMAO
>>123629850name 5 (five) better ones
Shostakovich is better than your favorite composer.
>>123629867pierre boulezkarlheinz stockhausenluciano beriobruno madernaluigi nonoelliott cartercharles wuorinenmilton babbittlouis andriessenfriedrich cerhaharrison birtwistletristan murailgerard griseyalexander goehrsir peter maxwell davieswolfgang rihmkaija saariahomagnus lindbergkalevi ahounsuk chinjohn luther adams
>>123629988
>>123629075Celi and Furt are two very different conductors
>>123628276>>123628318>>123628762>>123628858>>123628984>>123629670>>123629730HOLY FUCKING BASED. First time /classical/ isn't a shitshow. I love you anons. >>123629850>>123629988Stopped reading at Boulez.
>>123629988>Unsuk Chin lol what a name
>>123628796Entry level
>>123630306I'm sorry, i'll leave so you can jerk off to Mahler and Brahms in peace.
>>123630339music isn't a video game; there's no "entry level".
>>123630363>heh, i’ll own him by saying he listens to good music… that’ll show him….sure, if you say so, mister sister
>>123630405thank you rachjeet
>>123630387>Brahms>Good musicNgmi.
>>123630424Troubled tranny janny edition
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PbPMABhNls&list=OLAK5uy_ny6wwl7pra02gSn-ZXV3haQWweqlJ_0Tw&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_ny6wwl7pra02gSn-ZXV3haQWweqlJ_0Tw
>>123630508>good counterpont and clear, coherent forms = bad>random bullshit and screeching noises = goodif you say so, RYMsister>>123630519thank you rachjeet
>>123630387Whatever helps you sleep at night, for me it's listening to Mahler
>>123630533Shaken Schlomosister edition
>>123630548have you bathed in the ganges river today, rachjeet?
Brahms and Mahler are better than every single tranny composer named so far
>>123630562Repetitive Reply Relative edition
>>123630585only as repetitive as your calls to florida retirement home boomers about google play gift cards, rachjeet
>>123630590Mahler Masturbating Male-to-Female edition
>>123630607terrible failure at alliteration, but it’s to be expected from an ESL rachjeet
>>123630623Hysterical Hector Hallucinating Heliogabulus Hedition
>>123630660sorry, i don’t understand hindi, maybe try english instead rachjeet.
>>123628276>Feldman edition
>>123630729at least this feldman is funny as shit. the other one just sounds bad with nothing to show for it.
>>123630766Seething Sisterposter edition
>>123630781thanks for posting in english instead of tamil, rachjeet
>>123630810Ignorant Indian Imaginer edition
>>123630830ignorant of what, your culture of drinking cow piss and shitting in the street? lol
What are some other composers who wrote great symphonic poems besides Dvorak, Liszt, and Strauss?
>>123630866idkBartok?
>>123630866Sibelius
>>123630866franck
>>123628518https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHNm93r9uvc&list=OLAK5uy_naJLm6QS_GFU4_xN-j9ehZ1A0zdlvywqE
Richter sucks cock
I love FeldmanI love MozartYes, we exist
>>123630866I like MacDowell's, although orchestration wasn't his strong suit. More of a solo piano or voice writer. He's great with melodies and harmony.
>>123631042>>123631176do HIPster sisters really?>>123631223>Yes, we existone can only hope this situation changes sooner rather than later
>>123631276Exasperating estrogen eater edition
>>123631362time to shit in the street, rachjeet
>>123630967>>123630968>>123631007>>123631260Thanks,
>>123631403Ravel and Stravinsky won Captcha HAHA
listen to milhaud
>>123631474evil triumphs yet again
just under 90 minutes, Christ -- let's get glacialAlso what's the deal with these covers? "Yeah just go out into the courtyard and take some pictures -- yes, for all of them.">>123631542kek
>>123631557the cover art reflects the music: funereal and glum
Overrated: BrahmsUnderrated: Schumannimo
>>123632006Schumann is cool and all, but I think they're properly rated.
Is there any great recorder music?
Bachhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZQBu2oxESQ
>>123632971What's going on in that painting?
>>123632988isaac's sacrifice
Some insane anti-music from Mr Boulezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sfGLoF5IUY&ab_channel=RyanPower
>>123632006I always notice there are a few big fans of Schumann here, some often naming him in their top three favorite composers for instance, but I'm always curious what exactly their favorite works are because I never see them bring it up. What exactly do you think is underrated? His symphonies, his piano music, his chamber music? I agree with >>123632409, it's all properly rated, Brahms wins on all categories. But I'd be interested to learn whether we have people here who just really, really love Schumann's symphonies or piano quintet or string quartets or piano trios, for instance, simply because that'd be neat.
>>123634157For Schumann it's his solo piano works and his song cycles.
>>123634551Not saying they're underrated btw, just his greatest works
>>123632006This. Sure, Brahms was more technically accomplished, but Schumann simply had a better melodic faculty. There's never any disruption between form and melody, no one's ever called Schumann boring.
>>123635274schumann’s symphonies are boring as shit lol
>>123635295I find the first three Brahms symphonies extremely boring.
>>123635413brain issue
>>123629988you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel with some of these. all that darmstadt shit, all those -isms, will be forgotten in another century. meanwhile, feldman is writing for eternity
>>123635545funny that when no one in the present knows him
>>123635545but feldman has already been forgotten outside of your gooning discords, RYMsister
>>123635556many of the popular composers 200 years ago are unknown today. and it is often the case that the best art is not recognized for what it is until long after the artist and his contemporaries are passed. feldman was playing the long game
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-D09lochnU&t=604was there a greater contrapuntist from the late 20th century?
>>123635603really setting the bar on the floor with "contrapuntist from the late 20th century" lol. who's hovhaness supposed to be competing with in that category? reich? ferneyhough? heaven forbid, feldman?
>>123635514Nah, his themes are really bad and unmemorable, and he has to resort to taking one from Schumann.
>>123635636if you don't find the finale of the second, the minuet of the third, or the finale of the third entirely memorable and original, you're just brain damaged. not much more to say than that.
>>123635632that's my point. 20th century classical music is a pile of garbage with some hidden gems.
>>123635599except feldman was a popular composer (by 20th century classical standards) in his day and now has been forgotten, so i guess he would absolutely count as the former category by your own standards.
>>123635650The second symphony is by far his worst. Not a single good thing about that piece of crap, a total waste of time. The third has good moments, but the minuet isn't one of them, just unoriginal, sentimental trash.
>>123635674The first half is mostly good
>>123635746his worst symphony is his first, the central movements have really no relation to the outer 2 which are just faux beethoven. your inability to recognize the greatness of something as brilliantly simple as the finale of the second only exposes yourself as a dimwit. >the minuet isn't one of them, just unoriginal, sentimental trash.even a mere phrase structure analysis of the minuet would disprove this instantly. what a joke lol.
>>123635599>many of the popular composers 200 years ago are unknown todaybecause they were shit
>>123628858most rothkos arent that big
>>123635729so uhis stockhausen popular?
Are harpsichords HIPster by default, or are there other factors? If so, which ones?
What are some Bach recordings in a unequal temperament that were professionally done and put on a cd/vinyl? Rather not some cunt on youtube
Fat nerd got ratio'd
>>123637274Why would he think that's overthinking it? Seems like a fairly typical interpretation of a tone poem.
>>123637358Chuddie paying attention to music is racist and sexist
>>123634157>>123635295Schumann's symphonies far surpass Brahms' symphonies, which contain all too much filler and, with the exception of the 4th, end in a whimper. Brahms was never able to write a truly triumphant finale, instead concluding in a placid continuation of the present mood (the 1st attempts to contrive tragedy in a minor key introduction, only to return to the major tonality of the previous movements). Just compare the lackluster finale of his 3rd symphony, coming after the intense 3rd movement, with the cathartic finales of Schumann's 2nd symphony and 1st piano trio. Brahms' slow movements in the first three symphonies are also more tedious than memorable or moving.
>>123635729wrong. feldman is only continuing to gain eminence within the 20th century canon. just within the last two years alone he has featured in major European concert hall programs:https://www.hr-sinfonieorchester.de/konzerte/konzerte-23-24/coptic-light,forum-n-coptic-light-100.htmlhttps://www.rsb-online.de/konzerte/vladimir-jurowski-ardetti-quartett/ (alongside bruckner here!)https://www.wienmodern.at/2022-georg-baselitz-feldman-840-de-2402meanwhile, the luster of the darmstadt technocrats and boulez's tyrannical neo debussyian experiments (generously funded by French taxpayer money) continues to fade. these will be consigned to the dustbin of historical curiosity in the longue durée.feldman marches on, alone, immortal...
Thoughts on Robert Levin? I like him for improvising his cadenza
"We liked Webern very much. For the nature of his poetry and not for his theory. I'm like Pierre in War and Peace, an illegitimate child. Cage and I, we are the illegitimate sons of Webern.""The greatest influence in my life, the most decisive turning, this was Varèse. He fascinated me. And then, he had this extraordinary availability (that so many artists don't have). He came to my concerts, I saw him and spoke with him. He was marvellous. He remained available right up until his death. He lived in a lovely house, his wife was intelligent. I watched how he "survived" without "concerts". His courage. His youthfulness of heart.""Webern first had a conception, then he chose the sounds.""Xenakis also first has a conception. Varèse no.""Then me, I'm the legitimate son of Varèse and Xenakis is illegitimate... Varèse first possessed the sound. Me too."
>>123638069why was he so based, bros? here's a clip of him mogging darmstadtplebs https://youtu.be/0hEs4nelc_8
>>123638148Kek, his description of Jewish music is the exact opposite of Wagner. Coincidence?
>>123638241Jews are both retarded and obnoxious. coincidence?
>>123638241>>123638332Wagner fucking sucks
>>123638354t. enjoys Jewish music
Best Mozart sonata cycle?>Schiff>Uchida>Pires>Silverman(For the reference I really like Sokolov's playing but I want to keep entire sonata cycle on my harddrive)Also, favorite Rachmaninoff sonata recordings?
>>123638241Wagner was wrong
>>123638523Maria Joao Pires for Denon.
>>123638831Thanks. By the way I just listed the first few I found , I'm not liming myself to these pianists, if you have even better rec I'd like to hear it!
>>123638572But Feldman just confirmed that he was right.
Any Romantic composer (except Chopin) who didn't write a [good] symphony doesn't deserve to be discussed. Wagner included.
>>123637479>nooooooo it’s bad because… the finale isn’t loud enough???also you’ve clearly never heard the first or second because both literally end fortissimo. >>123637627>breaking news: new music people are doing new music!wow, shocker. any more revelations to post, RYMsister?
>>123639114RSB is not a new music ensemble. I could point to other performances of Feldman outside of the "new music" world if you're interested.
>>123639155are you fucking retarded? the work is clearly being performed in conjunction with arditti aka THE foremost new music quartet. if you’re so convinced that RSB would have performed it on their own without their coperformers then prove it.
>>123639110How are Wagner's operas not symphonic, you moron?
>>123639179it's a piece for string quartet and orchestra, retard. literally the name! and regardless of the guest performers involved it was a concert organized by the RSB and promoted as such (widely promoted in fact, with posters all around the Berlin U-bahn stations). unreal levels of cope!
>>123639217>RYMsister literally cannot grasp the idea that the piece was programmed because of the guest soloists, and not in spite of themis this the per capita of classical music?
Tranime sister forgot that this thread is here for these questions and I want to know tooIs there any site that lists classical recordings and the precise instruments and temperaments that they use? I think the precise model of instrent is as important yo list as the performer, especially with instruments that can sound extremely varied depending on type and model like the harpsichord
>>123639274tism
>>123639265the cope continues. the concert program was arranged on an aesthetic basis and not due to some post-hoc justification as you describe. if you knew anything about how the classical world operates you would know it's not just a matter of "oh hey the ardittis said they'll be in town next week, maybe we can shoehorn them in?" https://www.rsb-online.de/konzerte/vladimir-jurowski-ardetti-quartett/the actual concert booklet, which I possess a copy of contains some more detailed writing on the matter.
>>123639274Not sure
>>123639316>if you knew anything about how the classical world operates you would know it's not just a matter of "oh hey the ardittis said they'll be in town next week, maybe we can shoehorn them in?"you’re right, the arditti’s planned their tour schedule a year if not years in advance and the RSB were well aware of when they’d be visiting, and programmed their annual concert season accordingly with a piece that would be within the repertoire the ardittis specialize in. this is not remotely difficult to grasp LOL
>>123639274I know some recordings list the harpsichord used, not sure if theres a site for it though
>>123639351even if this were true, how does it get beyond the fact that RSB, a major European symphonic orchestra, arranged for the matter? seriously grasping at straws here! performances by major orchestras features guest performers *all the time*, some of whom may or may not specialize in a certain repitoire.
>>123639387>major orchestras features guest performers *all the time*, some of whom may or may not specialize in a certain repitoire.yeah, and they accommodate their guest performers’ respective repertoire. if vladimir horowitz rose from his grave and demanded a concert with the RSB in their 2025-2026 season, they would program rach 3, not rautavaara. and again, if you’re so convinced that RSB would have programmed the work without arditti’s involvement, prove it. post an example of them playing feldman WITHOUT a new music ensemble or soloist being involved. i’ll wait.
>>123638523staier
>>123639274(You) for interest
>>123638523Staier doesn't have a full cycle but he is basically the best modern Mozartian even though he's in that HIP crowd.I liked the recent Levin cycle quite a bit even if the fortepiano is a bit abrasive. He utilizes period ornamentations the likes of which CPE wrote about
>>123638870Pic rel is the most unhip, full-on romantic set out there. Worth hearing at least once.
>>123636849
>>123640077cannot find this set fucking anywhere, not even on discogs. wtf?
>>123640366It exists :^)Maybe it's illegal now for being too unhip
>>123637479I think you're crazy, and I agree with the other anon, Schumann's first two symphonies are boring as shit, I probably couldn't pick them out of an audio lineup, but I respect the difference of opinion. I mean even the opening of the 3rd, Schumann never wrote anything that good in his symphonies...
>>123640519rip it and upload it on RED or something
>>123640366Anon custom made it.>>123640519lol
Schumann's orchestration is gloomy and unclear.
>>123640690>gloomyWe love that here.
let's get choralhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvM6ru0Du9o&list=OLAK5uy_nTCi8N5_NT5Ch7YvrgBK8mVmcmqYf9tDc&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nTCi8N5_NT5Ch7YvrgBK8mVmcmqYf9tDc
>>123640690As someone who knows nothing about music, what even is 'orchestration?' What is changed in a 're-orchestration?' If the notes are written for certain instruments, then I'm not sure what it refers to.
>>123640690Unfortunately, methods in music teaching, instead of making students thoroughly acquainted with the music itself, furnish a conglomerate of more or less true historical facts, sugarcoated with a great number of more or less false anecdotes about the composer, his performers, his audiences, and his critics, plus a strong dose of popularized aesthetics. Thus I once read in an examination paper of a sophomore, who had studied only a little harmony and much music appreciation, but who had certainly not heard much “live” music, that “Schumann’s orchestration is gloomy and unclear.” This wisdom was derived directly and verbally from the textbook used in class. [...]Thus, there is not the same degree of unanimity among experts of orchestration as there is between the sophomore girl and her textbook. But irreparable damage has been done; this girl, and probably all her classmates, will never listen to the orchestra of Schumann naively, sensitively, and open-mindedly. At the end of the term she will have acquired a knowledge of music history, aesthetics, and criticism, plus a number of amusing anecdotes; but unfortunately she may not remember even one of those gloomily orchestrated Schumann themes. In a few years she will take her master’s degree in music, or will have become a teacher, or both, and will disseminate what she has been taught: ready-made judgments, wrong and superficial ideas about music, musicians, and aesthetics.
Favorite recording(s) of Mendelssohn 5? Feel like listening to it. Bonus points for the violin concerto too.
>>123640964it involves rearranging the instruments that specific melodies or accompaniments are given to. for example, if a line written for bassoon and cello is put in the horns instead, that's reorchestration. >>123641042none of schumann's gloomily orchestrated themes are memorable so it makes no difference.
>>123641291>it involves rearranging the instruments that specific melodies or accompaniments are given to. for example, if a line written for bassoon and cello is put in the horns instead, that's reorchestration.Ah okay thank you. So what does it mean for a composer to have 'poor orchestration?' They chose the wrong instruments for a specific melody or bar or moment?
let's get Resurrectedthese cover arts never get old
>>123641305it means that the instruments they chose or the specific voicing chosen for a given melody or accompaniment is either impossible or difficult to hear against other instruments chosen for other melodies or accompaniments, or that the part is unsuited towards the instruments characteristics, for example fast virtuosic lines on the tuba
>>123641378Interesting, thank you.
>>123641407where the "schumann's orchestration is gloomy and unclear" meme comes from is the fact that schumann typically over-relied on doubling his parts in the winds and strings, resulting in a dense, gelatinous orchestral timbre lacking in brightness and, well, clarity. compare that against master orchestrators like berlioz, mahler, and wagner, who were all very adept at assigning idiomatic parts to instruments capable of bringing them out in a clearly audible and legible manner even in an orchestral tutti.
>>123641446Makes sense. That's not part of just regular composition though? So in a re-orchestration, all the same notes are being played, just different instruments, ye? I guess it just seems wild to me that a composer could write excellent melodies and overall composition but choose poorly on the instrumentation for it.
>>123641506>So in a re-orchestration, all the same notes are being played, just different instruments, ye? correct, assuming we count octave transpositions as the same notes (and why wouldn’t we?)>I guess it just seems wild to me that a composer could write excellent melodies and overall composition but choose poorly on the instrumentation for it.orchestration is a completely separate field from composition with really not very much overlap in terms of skillset. being great at counterpoint or formal development doesn’t magically bestow the ability to know which instruments would work best for a given melody; if anything, conductors have far more orchestration knowledge than the average composer, which is why all 3 of the composers i listed were also some of the most important conductors in history.
>>123641540>doesn’t magically bestow the ability to know which instruments would work best for a given melodyI guess that's the crux of the matter which surprises me. In my head, I always imagined that composing and writing down notes was always done with a specific instrument in mind, but if I instead think of it as something that comes before the orchestration, then it all makes sense now; it just isn't what I had in mind all this time.
>>123641582there are composers like brahms who wrote his orchestral music directly onto their respective instruments, but there are also many composers like mahler who wrote out a short score first and then orchestrated after composition was finished. >I always imagined that composing and writing down notes was always done with a specific instrument in mindthis is part of the crux of the problem for amateur orchestrators, they imagine combinations of instruments that make no sense in practice. for example, i might imagine a beautiful melody for flute in the 4th octave, but this makes no sense if the melody is played over a string section all marked forte or fortissimo. it would be totally inaudible.
>>123637274I hate Hurwitz but to be fair I don't believe he was being insulting at all here. That guy's just butthurt for some reason.
>>123638523Orlin Shaham is the overall best (in like 2 thirds of the sonatas at least)whatever you do don't listen to Uchida.>>123638831terrible phrasing
>>123641641Ah all makes sense now, thanks for the elucidation.
>Brahms is a celebrity; I’m a nobody. And yet, without false modesty, I tell you that I consider myself superior to Brahms. So what would I say to him: If I’m an honest and truthful person, then I would have to tell him this: ‘Herr Brahms! I consider you to be a very untalented person, full of pretensions but utterly devoid of creative inspiration. I rate you very poorly and indeed I simply look down upon you.’
>>123641886delusions of grandeur
>“I have played over the music of that scoundrel Brahms,” wrote Tchaikovsky in his diary in 1886. “What a giftless bastard!”>"Brahms, as a musical personality, is simply antipathetic to me—I can’t stand him. No matter how much he tries, I always remain cold and hostile. This is purely instinctive reaction,”>"Brahms’ concerto appealed to me as little as everything else he has written... Lots of preparations as it were for something, lots of hints that something is going to appear very soon and enchant you, but nothing does come out of it all, except for boredom... It is like a splendid pedestal for a column, but the actual column is missing, and instead, what comes immediately after one pedestal is simply another pedestal.”
>>123641998breaking news: talentless hack was jealous of more skilled and successful composers
>>123642040But enough about Mahler
>>123641998>>123641886I hate gay people
>>123642106>gay>people
>>123642088who was mahler jealous of?>>123642106even the incestuous pedophiles like tchaikovsky???
I will say, that as much as I love Brahms, the string quintets and sextets just don't click for me. Hell, between the both of them, I prefer Tchaikovsky's String Quartet no. 1.>>123641998>It is like a splendid pedestal for a column, but the actual column is missing, and instead, what comes immediately after one pedestal is simply another pedestal.”lol
let's get Reformedstart of Symphony No. 4 in A Major, Op. 90, MWV N16 "Italian":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUdINtPpiIw&list=OLAK5uy_m91UsTyFkgrVrEQOOqEPtrR_x4rcr03KM&index=2start of Symphony No. 5 in D Minor, Op. 107, MWV N15 "Reformation":https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imSkyoClYtM&list=OLAK5uy_m91UsTyFkgrVrEQOOqEPtrR_x4rcr03KM&index=5https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_m91UsTyFkgrVrEQOOqEPtrR_x4rcr03KM
>>123642163Not that anon, but if you read some of Mahler's letters he was clearly jealous of Richard Strauss's succes
>>123642412Love Abbado but this ain't it.
>>123641723>terrible phrasingCompletely meaningless "criticism"
>>123642590if you never listened to a second of classical performance in your life, perhaps.
>>123642605Completely meaningless retort
>>123642644is calling things that you dislike "meaningless" an effective coping mechanism? I've never tried it before.
>>123641325Sigh, so many recordings of the 2nd and 3rd hampered by humdrum performances of the massive final movements.
>>123642471mahler was a far more successful conductor though, and strauss openly admitted that mahler's music was better than his own. no jealousy necessary.
>>123642711>strauss openly admitted that mahler's music was better than his ownCitation needed
>>123642730first class second rate composer
>>123642656Do you think that writing meaningless "criticism" like "terrible phrasing" makes you sound informed? It makes you sound like a poser, which you are.
>>123642750Yes that was a quip he made about himself. When did he say Mahler was a better composer than him?
>>123642787it's obvious, mahler was a first class composer, strauss was a second class composer.
>>123642814Where and when did Strauss "openly admit that Mahler's music was better than his"?
>>123642841>the second rate composer fanboy is still coping
>>123642872You claim Strauss said something about Mahler and now you can't provide any source whatsoever. You might for once admit you're full of shit, you know.
>>123642923yeah, strauss admitted he was second rate and mahler is obviously first rate. anything else, strausscuck?
Tchaikovsky was much more talented than Brahms in almost every regard. That said, I love Brahms, and his form is superior to Tchaikovsky's, for better or worse.
>>123642952Yes. A source for your claim that Strauss admitted Mahler's music was better than his own. Take your time.
>>123642963in which regard, the having gay anal sex with men and lusting after your underage nephew regard? >>123642980>strauss admitted he was second rate and mahler is obviously first rate.anything else, strausscuck?
>>123642814Lol, Mahler wasn't a first class composer. He's just the Jewish Wagner that 20th century Jews like Adorno needed to latch onto in place of Wagner.
>>123643106wagner was a terrible symphonist though, he couldn't write a second of mahler's music if he tried.
>>123643149No one listens to Mahler for his symphonic form lmao, and New York Jews certainly didn't praise him for that reason. Also quite silly to say that Wagner was a 'terrible symphonist' when he died before he could seriously try. It's like saying Mahler was a terrible opera composer.
Opera sucks cock.
I'm doing a personal compilation of (almost) all of Schnabel's recordings from the best sources possible. Mostly due to autism of wanting everything in one place. I'm using the EMI Japan box as a base because it has the by far the cleanest sources for most of the material - likely derived from metal masters which were pressed onto LPs (no shellac noise). It does, unfortunately, have quite a bit of pitch flutter/wow which I am correcting in post processing.Here's a comparison between the Pearl release, which is easily the best shellac-derived transfer of this material.>Pearlhttps://litter.catbox.moe/mtn055.mp3>EMI Japanhttps://litter.catbox.moe/e81p7j.mp3For those that are suspicious of denoising in the EMI Japan transfer - don't be. The EMI Japan isn't denoised at all. It is, as mentioned earlier, a metal master transfer. Most of the noise from 78s came from the material they were pressed on, usually shellac or laquer discs. When you bypass that medium, you're still left with more noise than tape, but much less than traditional shellac/lacquer. Unfortunately not all transfers on this release are universally great. The Beethoven PC transfers with Sargent sound very lousy, and, as previously mentioned, there are pitch problems abound. However it is, by and large, the best template to use and I can just go in and substitute bad sources with superior ones from other releases.I'm doing this all for myself. To satisfy my autism. I know interest in historical recordings here has diminished over the years, but if anyone else is interested in hearing Schnabel in the best sources possible, with as little post-processing bullshit as possible, please let me know and I'd be happy to share my results here when I'm done.
>>123643316>No one listens to Mahler for his symphonic form lmaoplenty of people do though. mahler's form is pretty much consistently excellent from the 4th onwards. the only symphonies comparable to wagner are the 2nd and 3rd. >when he died before he could seriously try.except he did try. he failed. no more coping, wagnersister. >It's like saying Mahler was a terrible opera composer.he never wrote any operas at all, so he wasn't an opera composer period. the same cannot be said for wagner and the symphony.
>Hugo Wolf was a student at the time of the 1882 Festival, yet still managed to find money for tickets to see Parsifal twice. He emerged overwhelmed: "Colossal – Wagner's most inspired, sublimest creation." He reiterated this view in a postcard from Bayreuth in 1883: "Parsifal is without doubt by far the most beautiful and sublime work in the whole field of Art.">(((Gustav Mahler))) was also present in 1883 and he wrote to a friend; "I can hardly describe my present state to you. When I came out of the Festspielhaus, completely spellbound, I understood that the greatest and most painful revelation had just been made to me, and that I would carry it unspoiled for the rest of my life.">Max Reger simply noted that "When I first heard Parsifal at Bayreuth I was fifteen. I cried for two weeks and then became a musician.">Alban (((Berg))) described Parsifal in 1909 as "magnificent, overwhelming,">and Jean Sibelius, visiting the Festival in 1894 said "Nothing in the world has made so overwhelming an impression on me. All my innermost heart-strings throbbed... I cannot begin to tell you how Parsifal has transported me. Everything I do seems so cold and feeble by its side.That is really something.">Claude Debussy thought the characters and plot ludicrous, but nevertheless in 1903 wrote that musically it was "Incomparable and bewildering, splendid and strong. Parsifal is one of the loveliest monuments of sound ever raised to the serene glory of music.">He was later to write to Ernest Chausson that he had deleted a scene he had just written for his own opera Pelléas et Melisande because he had discovered in the music for it 'the ghost of old Klingsor, alias R. Wagner'.He was simply the greatest. Wagner for all eternity.
>>123643740so true sister, so true
let's get Romantic, slowly>>123643487Sure, I like Schnabel when the recording doesn't sound bad. Godspeed and have fun, anon.
>>123643721>plenty of people do though.No, they don't. This isn't anything to debate about, Mahler's name is not brought up so commonly because of his form, and, again, it's not why he was hoisted to such an important position in 20th century music.>except he did try. he failed.As a 19 year old before he wrote a single opera he is remembered by.>he never wrote any operas at all, so he wasn't an opera composer period. the same cannot be said for wagner and the symphony.It's statements like these that make me seriously think you have autism.
>>123642106>>123642135So true closet homosexual sister
mozarthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj-MXceIVlQ
>>123644551Levin is based, any other actually good HIPsters?
>>123643848>Mahler's name is not brought up so commonly because of his formi don’t care about why the average person likes mahler. i care about why i like mahler, and why composers and musicologists like mahler. his form is plenty of reason, especially in the late symphonies where his form expands beyond anything done before by anyone. >As a 19 year old before he wrote a single opera he is remembered by.sounds like he failed. next!>It's statements like these that make me seriously think you have autism.so true wagnersister, your mother really is the greatest composer ever and has no faults.
>>123637274Dave reminds me of the sisterposter
>>123644945They share a lot of the same opinions! He will deny this, though
>>123645203the only opinion we earnestly share is liking cats.
Bachhttps://youtu.be/xMriTLERZfY
now playingstart of String Quintet No. 1 in F Major, Op. 88:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjsnQ3qqZk4&list=OLAK5uy_mQw1XHurRwf8vtGBBYFhWUx-4BXbKrwbE&index=2start of String Quintet No. 2 in G Major, Op. 111:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGKexV43Gtk&list=OLAK5uy_mQw1XHurRwf8vtGBBYFhWUx-4BXbKrwbE&index=4https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mQw1XHurRwf8vtGBBYFhWUx-4BXbKrwbEGonna listen to the Guarneri recording of these works next time, but so far these are pretty good, albeit a bit fast.
>>123645265>>123645203You were right. a predictable denial!
Some more 'music' from Pierre Boulezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GiJ53_BVbE&ab_channel=RyanPower
>>123645837Cry about ithttps://youtu.be/vVwez9Siu10?si=s0L-v3VBld-9Mul6
>>123645853
>>123644945not even Dave deserves such an insult
Last night/morning I couldn't sleep so I was trying to do an A-Z of classical composers in my head; would you count Hans Zimmer as classical composer?
>>123646213Possibly but I would Zemlinsky :)
>>123646260Y, Q, and U were the real fuckers-they're basically impossible. I had a lot of trouble with K as well
>>123646213that never works because you have to choose between Bach and Beethovengotta do first names
>>123646345I chose Bartok
>>123645837This was literally western music’s peak. RIP the goat
>>123646354that's insane
>>123628318While it might be true that music is the art of sounds, I think it is even deeper than that. Music is the art of time. But what is time? Is it real? We know that time do passes, but all the measurements we have for it are artificial. We hold pass and future as things that exists when they actually don’t and the present is a sort of Schrödinger cat thing that is and isn’t there at the same time. I think very few pieces explore time the way this quarter by Feldman does, and that’s what makes it a masterpiece. In the long scheme of things, what matters the structure? It’s futile to try to write, say a sonata, with this amount of length, so one can only trust on repetitions to give the piece a sense of cohesion. But then those repetitions force you to look deeper into the music, not into it as a whole in time, but into every single note as an eternal present that is paradoxically also instantaneous. We have it all and yet we don’t, everything is given and taken from us at the same time. When the piece reaches its end, you kind of intuitively know it, and those silences at the end have more weight than any massive finale, those are the most silent of all silences, and therefore also the loudest of silences, the more substantial. And after each silence you expect to hear something else, and you hear it, and then you expect to hear something else again and so on, until you eventually don’t. As Marcus Aurelius sort of said in his meditations “whether you live 30 o 30 thousand years, the moment of your death is still the same as for everyone else” (or something like that). Everything ends, wether it lasts 5 minutes or more than 5 hours.
>Feldmanproduces lots of high quality, thought provoking, and entertaining pastas>Mehlerproduces no pasta
>>123646412https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0&ab_channel=UsaSatsui
choral songs >>>> liederhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFF0q6lvVfM&list=OLAK5uy_lYOUnV0PqeAurq5fRbtHQqDbuX8qRs_M0&index=28https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg9BvKTY2Nw&list=OLAK5uy_lYOUnV0PqeAurq5fRbtHQqDbuX8qRs_M0&index=33And yet there seems to be a dearth of this kind of music. Sad.
>>123646528I don't like either. I would rather listen to Captain Fuckwit here>>123645853than Choral music
>>123646557If you don't like any of Bach's motets, cantatas, or Mass in B minor, you might not even be human.
>>123646569I like the aria of BWV 54 but I prefer the backing music, that's the really remarkable part about that piece
now playingR. Strauss - Capriccio, Op. 85: Introduction (Sextet):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I0MqJ0EI80&list=OLAK5uy_lBv0HUX0garY7eBCDgGVfNM5pJw1RsBmk&index=2start of Bruckner - String Quintet in F Major, WAB 112:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeSiWg8Vp08&list=OLAK5uy_lBv0HUX0garY7eBCDgGVfNM5pJw1RsBmk&index=3Bruckner - Intermezzo in D Minor for String Quintet, WAB 113:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbnU4ktl-98&list=OLAK5uy_lBv0HUX0garY7eBCDgGVfNM5pJw1RsBmk&index=6https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lBv0HUX0garY7eBCDgGVfNM5pJw1RsBmk
>>123645281>stating the truth = denialsnooze
>>123646671Sisterposter no one asked, stand back and stand by
StockhausenTierkreishttps://youtu.be/Ws1EBfcmKj0?list=PLONf332Q1qNOx0jOsZAi9wedRYHSgFCi_
I don't get it
>>123646810
where to start with Pfitzner and Franz Schmidt?
>>123646900Pfitznerhttps://youtu.be/EziI_SUfJF8Really, what a mediocre composer. There is more worth in a single overture of Wagner's than in his entire output. That anybody notable, (including Mahler and Strauss), praise him him only indicates how offensively awful Western music had become that there was any need to take notice of somebody so utterly devoid of compositional talent, yet who at least wrote in an idiom resembling music.
>>123646927Thanks, and, okay. I read this in a review is what made me interested:>The Busoni excerpts from Doktor Faustus aren't gray and dour, at least not the lively Cortege. Anyone who has a taste for the post-Romantic idiom of Zemlinsky, Pfitzner, and Franz Schmidt won't be disappointed.I'll check out that symphony and depending how it goes, perhaps go from there.
now playinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05RHn4-R1xo&list=OLAK5uy_my8rPAdgnWsBOUR5Fl0oB6y1oNAhXVH1w&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_my8rPAdgnWsBOUR5Fl0oB6y1oNAhXVH1wI've heard great things about this Barbirolli recording, and it sounds like a good combo thus far! Gonna check out his other Dvorak too.
lmfao this reminded me so much of the interactions here
>>123647216I appreciate someone who knows what they like and have explored enough to back it up.
>>123647216>>123647235and on that note, that dude is hella based
>>123647310nah it would be based if he gave detailed explanations for why
I love Xenakishttps://youtu.be/RfEOgCi4UA4https://youtu.be/85BxCX2l3qUhttps://youtu.be/MZ5771zMOeEhttps://youtu.be/MflMrWNeB8Ahttps://youtu.be/LXLIQaK_fyMhttps://youtu.be/fCVx_XwRaRUhttps://youtu.be/QzEOsybtXrI
https://litter.catbox.moe/34efva.mp3 It's a pity no one plays Schnabel's Mozart PC cadenzas. Easily the most creative and insane ones written
>>123646492>pastas>entertaining>though provokingthe mind of the average 4channer is a mystery to me
>>123647216pink guy is obviously autistic>>123647337it would be based if he stopped being autistic and ealized the golden rule that if no one asked then no one cares
>>123647459>it would be based if he stopped being autistic and ealized the golden rule that if no one asked then no one caresLMAO THIS COMING FROM YOU HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>>123647469?
>>123646711rachjeet no one asked, time to go to the shitting streef
>>123647469insanely mindbroken holy shit
>>123641886>>123641998All I can say of Brahms is that he's a rather puny little dwarf with a narrow chest. Good Lord, if a breath from the lungs of Richard Wagner whistled about his ears he would scarce be able to keep his feet. But I don't mean to hurt his feelings.
best Bartok SQs recording coming thru https://youtu.be/N6lnIRh26aA?si=U4eQ1Jldt2QqttQr
>>123648001pretty sure wagner was shorter than brahms>>123648068they’re called the vague quartet because that’s what their intonation is
https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Crudblud/mahler-top-picks/Thoughts?
>>123648110having perfect pitch sounds like a curse
>>123648169great question RYMsister>>123648184>having standards sounds like a cursehave you ever, i don’t know, tried having standards?
>>123648184he doesn't have perfect pitch lmao
>>123648222buddy, you wouldn’t know if i had one eye or three legs. you don’t know me.
>>123633271musician herei can confirm this is music.thank you.
https://youtu.be/tW4-lDMv4nI
>>123633271musician herei can confirm this is insane anti-music.thank you.
>>123647377Very nice.>>123648169Am I the one missing something when it comes to Gielen's Mahler, or is it them who are wrong?
>>123647337I'm sure if you asked he might have reasons, he just wanted to list his favorites.
>>123648347his taste is pretty uniformly dogshit so i’d say it’s him who’s wrong.
>>123648356idk if I see one more person who's also really into Mahler heads-over-heels in love with Gielen's recording, I'm gonna go through them again with a fine-tooth comb, aka give them all another close listen or two. Also Scherchen, really? He's great for other composers, but for Mahler, maybe I ought to give his another chance too.
>>123648308Boulez raped your mind.
now playingstart of Piano Concerto in E-Flat Major, Op. 31:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrxieMbdJ1M&list=OLAK5uy_mnhOVez_2ETkpX1pY_24YQRLfJgAiARSI&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mnhOVez_2ETkpX1pY_24YQRLfJgAiARSI
>>123648388>I'm gonna go through them again with a fine-tooth comb, aka give them all another close listen or two.you’d be wasting your time>Also Scherchen, really? scherchen’s mahler is the most idiosyncratic there is. there is some appeal to that, i suppose, but by no means are any of his recordings well played or well recorded. it certainly doesn’t help defend his absurd boulez and eschenbach fanboying (both very mediocre if not outright poor mahler conductors). >>123648402more like my ears.
>>123648402lol u jelly
>>123648169He was a /mu/tant tripfag from back in 2015 I think. Haven't seen him in forever, weird to see his list again.
>>123648437>>123646927Mediocre is right... I could have composed that, zzzzzz. Might still try his Violin Concerto tho
>>123648534from tripfag to RYMtranny, what a stunning transition
>>123648534That's how I recognized the name.
>>123648550That list is old. I don't think there was a transition, he always was. I can't really shit on him because if I dug up my own lists from 10 years ago I'd probably be pretty embarrassed by the choices.
>>123648439>scherchen’s mahler is the most idiosyncratic there is. there is some appeal to that, i suppose, but by no means are any of his recordings well played or well recorded.What are some quality highly idiosyncratic ones? Aside from Fischer's which I love (at least the ones I've heard -- I've avoided his middle ones based on your suggestion).
>>123648568must not be very old considering there’s a parallel list for the tenth with far too many words that has a 2019 recording. https://rateyourmusic.com/list/Crudblud/mahler-the-tenth-symphony/>>123648587i don’t think any mahler conductor is nearly as idiosyncratic as scherchen, it’s an understatement to say that he sounds like literally no one else, for better or worse (usually for worse)
>>123648568Case in point lmaoI think I was maybe a few months into seriously listening to classical around this period. Well, I still really enjoy Scherchen, Leibowitz, and selectively Mengelberg, but Furt's Beethoven 9th has been outside of my strike zone for forever.I think it was the first 9th I listened to, actually.
now playingstart of Scheherazade Op. 35https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh-_u1wnp2E&list=OLAK5uy_lLGzIlKbwZnnyd1Z9-ssumQ8n6pQYkDWs&index=1https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lLGzIlKbwZnnyd1Z9-ssumQ8n6pQYkDWsScheherazade conducted by Celibidache? I am highly intrigued and excited how this will sound. Any other must hear recordings by him? I'm gonna check out his Brahms soon.>>123648623>2019 recording.ngl that chamber orchestra recording seems kinda dope. also your favorite came out in 2016!
>>123648623Nah it's def old. I remember him shilling those choices back in the day, but it's been awhile so I'm likely fuzzy on the details. It's possible it's been tweaked since, I'm sure.Hearty kek at this rec
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>>123648656I like it :( and that 5th *is* near the very top.
>>123646509thank you tranime sister
>>123629908Shostakovich is my favorite composer. What now?
