DEVIOUSTRUCULENTUNRELIABLESELFISHLYINGMONEY GRABBINGEVILBASTARDHAS BEENWANKER
But enough about Johnny Marr
>>123688077>this is what Mozbots actually believe
>>123688093Why wouldn't you believe the truth? Moz is the GOAT. Marr is replaceable.
>>123688106So Morrissey the seething NEET could have teamed up with anyone in '82 and grafted a legacy as strong as the Smiths'? Or did the entire musical portion of their catalog just materialize out of nowhere?Moreover, Marr has been nothing but honest and respectful. Morrissey has always been a shithead, which could be excused when he was still delivering. He just fired his management after this latest reunion/rights debacle. The man is turning into Col. Kurtz.
>>123687987done with u fat fries faggot
>>123688164
>>123688154Marr has done nothing of note since the Smiths ended. That's the end of the argument. Don't care about your mental gymnastics trying to reconcile that. Not saying Marr isn't a talented guitarist and an integral part of what the Smiths were but who has gone on to have a very successful and critically acclaimed solo career? Who is the one people remember and associate with their music? It sure as shit isn't the wig wearing twink.
>>123688421Viva Hate was a commendable effort. Electronic clears Kill Uncle. The rest of solo Moz is third-rate pub rock at best. The man himself has been an embarrassment for 30+ years.
lmao
>>123688421You know he was in Modest Mouse for the only song they ever had that charted that wasn't "Float On" of course... don't you Anon? Or the two best The The albums? Or the Inception soundtrack? Or any number of his (less substantial but numerous) guest appearances? It's almost as if other people respect his contributions and like having him around! Don't you ever wonder what that's like sometimes?
>>123688421>frontman has a slightly more successful solo career with music written by colaboratorswow amazing that rarely ever happens
>>123690213>Don't you like being popular anon??You're not a Smiths fan.
>>123688106Replaceable =/= devious, truculent, unreliable, selfish, lying, money grabbing, evil, bastard, has been, or wanker. But the real kicker is he isn't even replaceable lol
>>123690441I feel bad for Marr, he's not even a bad musician or anything but it must suck that people are only your fans because they hate another, more famous guy.
>>123690402By your logic neither is Morrissey.
>>123690473I like him because we share a birthday but yeah mozzarella does suck overall as a person, you're right. Ehh writes some interesting words here and there but not enough to offset the rest of the darkness.
>>123690674M's soul left him after the court case. He became the persona.
redpill me on morrissey's mum
>>123688903Moron>>123690213Shit album and you know it. So does literally everyone else>>123690329Marrfags want to bring success into it and can't handle it when they have no argument, huh?
>>123690213Yeah all of that and still no argument as to why Marr has not written good music. He is and was replaceable. Even at Moz's lowest, he still charted higher than Marr in the UK, Marr's supposed stronghold. Funny how the argument went from>Marr is way more successful than Morrissey ti>Well Marr wrote that book and a Taylor Swift guitar and has lots of friends!!!!Marr has never written anything close to the level of Viva Hate or even Kill Uncle. Even Dog on a Chain mogs any of Marrs output and that was an okay album at best.When even Marr fans stop talking about his music and start talking about how many butt buddies he has around the world, thats how you know Marrs music is shit and he is replaceable. Poor little Marr.
>>123687987One Morrisey song is worth the life of a billion shitlibs and brown immigrants
>>123693278If I wanted hear a fag whine about Mexicans for 30 tracks straight you might have a point. But nobody really wants that.
>>123693456People do, they did which is why all anybody ever talks about when it comes to Marr is other peoples music and how many guest appearances he has on television. Never about Marr's music, which even his own fans don't want to talk about because he is just another guitarist. Replaceable, nothing of note on his own, good little studio session boy that can only work for others and create other peoples' music.
This picture is all that needs to be said about the Marr vs Morrissey debate.
>>123691641She used to kiss him on the lips in front of his schoolmates until he was about 13/14
>>123693662Not really, life isn't just a series of top charting hits.
>>123693688Then what is it then? Marr fans sure love bringing up how highly charted and successful other people were. So if its not charting and success than what matters? The music? Because Moz definitely beats him there as well.
>>123693688Aye. Marr's playing had the seal of approval of both Bert Jansch and Rory Gallagher, the Beethoven and Bach of innovators.It doesn't come better than that for a guitarist. Greats recognise greats.
You think Moz is into pederasty?
>>123693716Hes got purdy eyes. Golden amber > icy serial killer lookin' baby-bluesbut apart from that, Moz rules and Manlet fuckin' Marr droooooools
>>123693278>>123693602Fucking obliterated the Marrfags. Very based of you. Because we must.
>>123693688>>123693731Then why the fuck do you people bring success into the argument at all? It's insane. We get it. You like Marr. That's fine and good but the man is a complete failure in the success department. His best days have been behind him since 1987. Recording some some microwaved versions of Smiths riffs on shitty Modest Mouse albums and having one okay song with the dude from New Order is nothing. Love him all you want but Moz wins. Goddamn.
>>123694166Because Steve ran out of gas 20 (arguably 30) years ago Marr has not :)
>>123694266You're delusional. Okay. Got it. End of argument then.
>>123694266>Marr has not :)Marr has never even started. Morrissey is a has been but Marr has never been. Marr's music? Anyone?
>>123694166>you peopleIt's Marrtranny, a single deranged self-admitted autistic.
>>123694482No it's a different one. The tranny loves to write these long winded posts where the sentences are often separated by a break.
>>123694482>>123694502This. Completely different writing style. You'd know it was Marrtranny because there would be 5 paragraphs about some conversation Moz and Marr had during a Smiths soundcheck that is somehow fueling this feud and somehow makes Johnny in the right.
boy you maudlin faggots sure do blubber incessantly like your gammon-king
>>123695000>Marr is irrelevant and you have nothing to say so you're seethingSounds about right
>>123695000Steven won. marr lost.
mald all you want, trips of truth
>>123687987>I am not crazy! I know he planned that tour! As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got his management to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. The name rights! Are you telling me that the guitarist can just apply for that? No! He orchestrated it! Johnny! I took him into my own arms! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Johnny! Couldn't be precious Johnny! Stealing them blind! And he gets to own the Smiths trademark!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him!
>>123687987that's not morrissey, that's future moldovan citizen
>>123693278Marr is better than Morrissey in one very simple and somewhat *strangeway*... its because he inspired all of Morrissey's best songs.Speedway, for example - one of the biggest and most Morrisseyesque, emotional, heart stoppingly epic Wildean bangers of Moz's career - is entirely about him. He may be a shit musician but he inspired some fuckin great songs.
>>123694166We didn't, the mozzarella fag did with his chart lol
>>123693716Life matters to life. You think all Steven does is write lyrics every minute of his life? You think all Marr does is play guitar every minute of every day. No. Humanity is greater than one specific niche you may have, and success is measured by more than just material or monetary possessions.
>>123697297>We didn't,you want me to bring up the archives of you fags talking about how marr kept charting at number one in the UK and when that was proven to be a lie, that immediately stopped being a talking point? and now its us obsessed with chart success?
>>123697382Go for it. Still wasn't me though.
>>123697396Listing other peoples bands as his own success and outright lying about his own success that when proven to be a lie, is quickly never brought up again. Bringing on about the charts, thats you little niggas. Then when it is shown that Morrissey still mogs him in the charts now its>NOO WHY ARE YOU OBSESSED WITH THE CHARTS STOP DOING THAT ITS NOT ABOUT SALES So it is never about Marr's music. It is not about sales. It is about how many art books he sold and his friendship with the brothers. Thats sweet but if you want to discuss Marr's latest fuckbuddy, go to another board because this is the music board. Marr having a best selling wig line has nothing to do with music and the only thing that matters here is the music. Which Marr is seriously lacking in.
>>123697162He's not a shit musician in the slightest. He is a fantastic guitarist and I don't think anyone can dispute it. Even most Moz diehards like me will talk about how talented Marr is. They just can't extend the same courtesy for some reason. Guitarists are fucking retarded. I dunno.
>>123697470Incredibly based post but they aren't worth arguing with, anon. It's like this constantly. Not sure why they feel the need to have these threads. They talk themselves into a corner every fucking time.
>>123697472Not him but I think he was more referring to Marr's relatively weak solo output. I would assume, because saying Marr can't play guitar is asinine
>>123697470Marr has a wife and kids that love him and he loves them and Steven has always and will always be alone. Thats success to me, idc what you define it as. Still wasn't me in that reddit screenshot but nice archival footage you got there.
>>123697517Success to me is making good music which Marr has not done. So, he is a loser. Him having a beard has nothing to do with music. I care little for who's dick he sucks. Same with Morrissey. But Morrissey made some good music and that is all that matters. He won.
>>123697517You keep bringing this up to. What does his personal life have to do with any of this? Good on Marr for having a family. Good on him for having a huge range of friends. Who gives a shit? Moz has a much smaller and closer set of friends and probably the most devoted and loyal fanbase around. Have you seen people at his shows? He reduces adults to tears with how much he means to all of us. That isn't something that comes along very often. They are very different people who haven't liked each other in a very long time. I don't know why any of us are having these conversations still. We are all spinning our wheels. They made amazing music together thirty something years ago. Leave it at that.
>>123688421> this >>123690329 is solid argument. ozzy osborne was certifiably worst, most replaceable member of sabbath > but he was lead singer so that's who normies associate by far most with bandozzie goes on to have huge solo career while actual creaters of band's sound (the other three) toil away largely in obscurity (compared to ozzy).
>>123697686Nothing is stopping Marr from writing anything good, anon
>>123697597Because he's clearly happier? I thought we were talking about success here. Steven can have all the hits and monies he wants, he's clearly miserable. Marr seems at peace.
>>123697727You're all over the place with your arguments.
Remember when Morrissey randomly became big in America for like a year?
>>123697748Well yeah, you guys cope by saying it's only one unhinged tranny lol of course you'd think that
>>123697873It's not our fault. All of you Marrfags sound like unhinged trannies.
>>123697921kek
>>123697852moz had pretty solid chart positions for a while. even as late as low in high school his albums were going top 20 in the US
Neither Morrisey nor Marr are very good without the other and this realisation maddens them.
>>123698077>Neither Morrisey nor Marr are very good without the other and this realisation maddens one of them.
>>123698077They were amazing together but Moz has made a lot of amazing music without him
>>123698077Viva Hate? Bona Drag? Your Arsenal? Vauxhall and I?
>>123697709In pop music, immediate commercial success is 99% image. Sustaining that success then requires a huge amount of craft/talent, but you've got to have an image first.Morrissey was tall, good-looking, striking with a distinctive look (i always thought he looked like Rupert Everett. A devastating mix of handsome and boyish). Beyond that, he had an unusual voice with great control, and built an appealing persona. He was also well read,well spoken and a walking quote machine.Marr could have written a million songs better than any of Morrissey's but it wouldn't matter. with that sallow, unfortunate little rat face and downturned mouth nobody was going to listen to him or it. Sad, but true. First impressions are everything in pop and he has 0 charisma, 0 stage presence, 0 idea of how to be a frontman and an ugly guttural uneducated accent almost as busted as his face. It's laughable he even has the audacity to try, and you can see the jealousy every time he makes passive aggressive digs at morrissey, total runt of the litter energy.
>>123698234You decimated Marr. Holy shit, anon. Very impressive and true.
>>123697852Sold out the Hollywood Bowl in under 15 minutes, smashing Michael Jackson's record. Insane.
>>123698115>>123698077Viva Hate is the only one of his solo albums I still find tolerable.
>>123698269>>123698234least gay morrissey fan
stretford's finest is down to reposting random reaction youtubers on morrisseypravda"top kek" as his current fanbase would put it
>>123698289To each their own but I don't know how someone can't enjoy Vauxhall. It's just a gorgeous sounding record from start to finish.
>>123698419i swear he posted styxhammer666 or paul joseph watson on his blog once and at that moment i felt the morrissey of the 80s had died
>>123698550lmfao imagine being such a dubmass that you read alt right grifter propaganda shit wtf moz you were an ally
>>123698550Morrissey of the 80s was talking about reggae music conspiracies, a global plot to replace white indie musicians with black people, and writing letters to friends complaining that Indian people smell funny and are intolerable. Nobody in England noticed or cared at the time, he'd be utterly destroyed if he came out with that stuff now
>>123698611it came off more as some dry humor. there was a panache and charm to his old persona, while associating with internet alt righters is a different thing and more vulgar, crass, in the realm of political action vs what could be seen as a sarcastic/absurd remark to piss off an nme interviewer
>>123690213In other words, after he stopped being Morrisey's literal who sidekick, he became a glorified session musician for artists who are actually popular.
>>123698709Incredibly cringe
>>123698298I don't know which is worse, the embittered closetcases and lumbersexual moz stans, or the s0iboy marrfags
>>123698852There's nothing worse than Marrfags
>>123698709Ur gay
>>123698201>morrissey avg good songs per album: 3>marr avg good songs per album: 0>the smiths avg good songs per album: 7RIP
>>123699290bruh
>>123688077FPBP
>>123698481THE SANEST DAYS ARE MAD
>>123688077/thread
But would you marry Morrissey?
Johnny’s a class act. Morrissey’s a dickhead.
>>123688903Wise take. Although I think southpaw grammar is an underrated masterpiece. If he'd hung his recording career up after years of refusal (apt title given it was written while Marr was trying to get the Smiths back together) and become a legacy act with guest appearances and big tours he would be a superstar rn. Nobody wants to hear rehashed pub rock or see granddads tits
>>123702958Southpaw Grammar, a masterpiece? The disc with Dagenham Dave and Boy Racer? Cor blimey guvna.
Morrissey reminds me of that Wyatt Man cartoon. "Why do they persecute me so?" No wonder he likes Israel so much.
>>123702133Not even gay but yeah.
>>123702958There's nothing wise about his take at all. Viva Hate through Quarry is a string of perfect albums. Southpaw, in particular, is an underappreciated art rock album. This pub rock nonsense keeps getting brought up and I don't think we are listening to the same album.
u say southpaw i say boomslang#marrgang
>>123705064If any other singer had put out chugging 3 chord shite like its not your birthday anymore, you'd be calling them a hack
>>123706059Not my fault no one can do it like Moz
>>123703147Don't close your eyesDon't ever close your eyesA man who slits throatsHas time on his handsAnd I'm gonna get youuuuu
>>123695732underrated
>>123702133>>123705042>>123706087aware me bros, did these two flaming bitches have sex in 1980 or nah?
>>123706810I wouldnt be shocked at all if they did, but I personally think Moz wanted to but Marr would never put out and it made him even more bitter and catty
It's becoming increasingly clear that Morrissey was never "Morrissey" the bedsit saint, but an actual deranged reactionary faggot all along, like Yukio Mishima.
>>123708211Gay ass take.
>>123706810Probably. I find it hard to believe Marr is straight. I know he has a wife and kids but still. There is something immensely fucking gay about him.
>>123708211There are only 3 types of people in British/American entertainment industry: - Conservatives who larp as sensitive lefties when young to gain that demographic of teenage audience, then do a total public 180 degree turn to The Right in their 40s- Conservatives who pretend to be he sensitive lefties opposing those big bad wolves on The Right, because every protagonist needs an antagonist-Conservatives who say what they think and don't give a fck what anyone else thinks because their music/brand was never aimed at sensitive people (country music, old school rock like Kiss/acdc)All 3 are in support of each other behind the scenes. Identity politics makes big bucks, its like sports - people love being on a 'team'. The guys who support trans stuff are on the same side as the guys who oppose it, nobody gives a fuck, its all just about making money and creating division to keep journalists, politicians, lawyers and businesses in jobs and the public distracted.Morrissey claiming to be a depressed outsider is about as plausible as Marr claiming to be a lefty feminist (look who he hangs out with - none of them are 'woke' or 'feminist'). Working class people who get immensely wealthy are ruthless, assured, supremely self confident. The genuine depressives usually an hero, or go for the slow suicide of drink/drug induced organ failure. The ones who fall for the whole persona are idiots who line their pockets
>>123708211This. It's incredible how all these white men turn out to be secret reactionaries. Oh wait it's not, just fuck off with white men music and we're good.
>>123709069Incredibly gay and cringe take. You need to go back.
>>123708514It's that preening, vain, mean girl energy you see in rappers who are on the downlow. The hair dye, full body/back tattoos, the pouting selfies, self-righteous social media posts, the obsession with looking/acting 'cool'... It's unmasculine, but it's not how Morrissey or other openly bi/gay guys behave in middle age. And he has a hair-trigger, passive-agressive temper when challenged as well. Very neurotic, closet case, prison bitch energy.
>>123708481For a gay ass artist.
>>123709160You nailed it. Thank you. That's it exactly.
>>123709160interesting
>>123706822In his biography Morrissey says they first met at a punk concert when Marr was 15 and Moz 19. he kinda implies Marr came on to him. I think they're bisexual and Marr never got over being pumped and dumped
>>123695732lmao
>>123709183Keep seething
>>123709183technically true>>123711656well, he is talking about morrissey
>>123711721Based Moz forever working people into a hissy fit. I love him for it.
>>123687987Don't care, he was sexy as fuck from the 80s until very recently, and if you like the daddy thing he still has an appeal. And he made Picadilly Palare and International Playboys which are two of the most based songs ever made
>>123688154Marr's just as dodgy as Morrissey, we're talking working class kids from a real shithole area of a depressed English city in the 70s. Think Detroit and you're not far off. He was convicted of burglary and handling stolen goods as a kid but got off because he was under 16, but the gang he was running with weren't exactly small timers, they were casing rich peoples art collections.He just plays a better game (in public), like dave grohl
>>123711995Marr getting more based by the day.
>>123698481Vauxhall is a masterpiece; Moz was in peak performance.
>>123711995>working classDude was receiving free money and housing all his life, nothing "working" about that lmfao.
FIFTEEN MINUTES WITH FOODWELL I WOULDN'T SAY NO
>>123712531He's getting gayer by the day if anything
Dicksucking necklace
>>123709160All that can be explained by the fact that he is a manlet. Although he probably still is gay
>>123709069>just fuck off with white men music and we're good.But that leaves only k-pop and rap....
>>123715749Those are white boy genres thoughbeitever.
>>123711995 >>123712644>i could have mentioned your name >i could have dragged you in>Guilt by implication, by association>ive always been true to you>in my own strangeway>in my own sick way >I'll always stay true to youThis explains all the prison tattoos. Also why morrissey wrote so many songs about criminals and delinquent youths (and that phase where he larped as a crime lord). Moz loves bad boys with swallows on their necks >>123713871 >>123715709That lovebite on his neck doesn't look like it was put there by a guy. I'm going with the 'overcompensating frail manlet' theory
>>123712741basedlord Morrissey refused the wagie life and spent all his NEETbux on vinyl, concert tickets and gay bars. Then fired every Smiths manager and made Marr do all the donkeywork for free. What a Chad.
>>123688171Based cartoon character enjoyer.
>>123693456I do.
>>123698550ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yikes!
>>123705064Pub Rock has become a classist slur.
>>123717833It's just not sexy enough. I want the old sex god morrissey back, not this brexit gammon
>>123698648Yeah, I don't mind if Morrissey's racist or whatever, it's actually kind of funny. But the basic bitch Kekistan shit is a devastating blow against everything that made him MORRISSEY, the guy people used to base their entire identities around. Now he's just another tired old boomer. The mental image of him tapping around on his Youtube recommendations and gleefully selecting the latest PragerU turd is in its stark realism sadder than any lyric snippet.Though in all fairness it's also extremely funny to see Marr go gray-haired from being forced to counter his former partner's every scorched-earth move and trying to snatch The Smiths from the tire fire that is the Morrissey brand in Current Year.NME vindicated?
fuck yeah marr fags!! now we can dress like our hero
>>123711995Imagine thinking that who someone was as a kid is the way they are their entire life, and that people have zero room for growth. If you have children, I bet they hate you. If you don't, you probably never will.
>>123718467It was inevitable, because morrisey just HATES being told what to do/say/think. He *had* to praise the IRA after they tried to murder the PM. He *has* to say dramatic things after terror attacks. He *has* to counter his ex bandmates, the zeitgeist and his own Sainthood. He hates authority in all forms and loves being an iconoclast.I'm certain a lot of it is just him acting like his hero Lou Reed and being a bitch contrarian for the sake of it, because he's been doggedly anti Trump (publically). He was just continuing to play the same Enfant Terrible media game, but it backfired because he didnt reckon with the new generation of Zoomer music listeners taking everything literally. The backlash gave Marr the once in a lifetime chance to rebuild his career from the ashes of obscurity by acting like a #bekind #meetoo playground bully. This whole 'legacy' tug of war started because morrissey's mother became suddenly ill, and marr's son started posting anti Morrissey memes on social media just days after Morrissey had a semi-public meltdown as she was dying. You cant get lower than that.I'm not entirely sure why they had a reputation as a soft lefty band, there's nothing particularly feminist or even liberal in their songs. The gay references belie the very realist redpill attitudes in songs like girl afraid and pretty girls make graves (women only care about money and status). What nme couldn't handle was him being gay and very sexual... unforgivable in indie rock circles. Co opting working class music and imagery, and being a flamer? They always played up to Marr as the 'cool guitar man' you could like if Morrissey's 'eccentricities' were too hard to stomach but really it comes down to the UK media being extremely homophobic to any gay man who isn't a sexually non-threatening Pet Shop Boy stereotype. It's why they used to bash George Michael and run stories trying to expose him as well.
>>123718719Thats a lefty rehabilition daydream. Have a look at the childhood outcomes project the future queen of England has been working on. A child's personality is shaped by the brain development that takes place between 5-8 years old, when teachers can start to identify who the 'leaders', 'followers' and 'bullied kids' are likely to be. Around 11-13 you have another developmental growth spurt, and by 16 your moral character is set. Change/growth is possible but the way your brain is shaped by your upbringing usually becomes habit.Shoplifting or stealing someone's car to impress your chav mates is one thing, but running around with serious organised gangs of older men is not normal behavior for most 16 year olds. Also criminal mindset (willingness to break the law) correlates heavily with financial/personal success. The music industry itself is a massive crime syndicate from top to bottom.
>>123718964You are a robot
>>123719014Nope, just a realist. I grew up in a pretty rough area of a major English city. Most of the violent kids are still scumbags, drug dealers and money launderers with 6 kids by 6 different women. the decent kids are doctors/nurses/teachers/40k office wagies. the ambitious, popular middle class kids are in media, journalism, law, banking. And the mouthy, cocky, popular kids who always had the latest phone, £300 Nikes and the best quality weed - despite being 15 and not having a Saturday job or any apparent source of family income - were usually up to all sorts and are now running their own businesses (and not declaring all their earnings). Human behaviour is pretty predictable and immutable.
>>123719128England sucks, noted.
>>123717944He is still a sex god. He just looks like a mobster while he is giving you backshots now.
>>123718657He is almost too gay to function
>>123697727>I thought we were talking about success here, and success is whatever I say it is as I'm clearly blown the fuck out by every other argument I'm stumbling throughYou have no idea whatsoever how happy he is in his personal life just as you have no idea whatsoever how happy Morrissey either you fucking retard. If he was divorced you'd say he has a better collection of model trains or something, fuck off
>>123719854Um no, not with those chicklet teeth sweetie
>>123698709You never knew your father and are jelly of pic related.
Johnny Marr seems like the most despicable breed on person. Basically a social climber who will backstab his friends.
>>123719883Happy people don't push all the people who care about them away
>>123718858All of this just makes Moz sound even more based to me. I love that he is who he is. That he has always went out of his way to piss people off while doing it in the most eloquent and thoughtful way possible. It's part of the Smiths magic. He bothered people in a way that they couldn't explain and I admired the hell out of that. He's clearly feeling from his mom's death and I feel for him. She seemed like a great lady. I just want to hear Bonfire and for our dude to be okay, Mozbros.
>>123719883>marr seems happier than an obviously miserable dickhead>marr seems happier>seems
>>123719891Unironically looks handsome to this day. I don't know what to tell you.
>>123719912Exactly. And the lengthy poster here has done a good job of showing that is basically who it is. The Smiths are just catty gay people. Marr is no exception.
>>123719932I'd like to think he'll be back. All those things are what made him popular, and the winds of woke are slowly blowing in the opposite direction. He just needs to stop surrounding himself with hostile yes men feeding his paranoia, reconnect with his friends and get his old band (the 98-2004 lineup) back together
>>123719945That's like 20 years ago, anon
>>123719912>>123719957The gaslighting here is off the fucking charts. Not only are you talking to yourself, but your argument regarding mozzarella and marr is boiled down to >no u
LMAO blood deadass said "gaslighting" in 4chan thread lmao
>>123719982>gaslighting Your gay ass needs to go back
>>123719976I'm aware. He still looks great for an old man.
Both Mozza and Marrs solo careers are embarrassing it's like two people who accidently got famous and can't go back to being regular.
>>123720147early moz is pretty solid desu. idk how you can like the smiths but not like bona drag/viva hate/arsenal. the later stuff sure but the guitar work on those gets close to marr
>>123720169oh and vauxhall of course
>>123719912Who has he backstabbed?
>>123720169Lyrically it just seems he is writing about grudges he has with former acquaintances it's all very self indulgent but not in a relatable way like smiths.
>>123720191No one, they just want to project Steven's crimes onto their enemies.
>>123712644>I've been fucked in the ass so many many times>I dont have any skin but that's just the way it goes
Only truly non-essential Moz solo joints are Maladjusted and California Son. If you like the guy he's been remarkably consistent over the decades, and there's plenty of treasure among the rubbish on the weaker ones, even on Maladjusted.
>>123720200There's plenty of songs about plenty of things, anon.
>>123720200Around Viva Hate/Bona Drag era he could even make a song about something as petty as not getting a haircut appointment sound goodhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPRVXTytJQ0
>>123720235Maladjusted is fucking great. Only terrible song on it is Papa Jack. California Son is fun for what it is but I never got why people don't like Maladjusted.
>>123720259yes, but about things only he would be privy to like some gangsta in 50's or something
>>123719957Really that's just how people from Manchester are, they're v chippy and bitter. Scousers too.
>>123720223all narcissists love to project andclaim betrayal when they don't get their own way
>Pete Galli is widely known in the music industry as a good guy and really tried to do the best for Moz.>He was responsible for the massive Smiths reunion offer that the Mozzer signed off on. It was the first time Moz ever signed off on a Smiths reunion tour. I heard Galli even met with Marr's manager in London to try and mend the relationship.>Galli was also able to get Moz multiple record deal offers from big indie labels for Bonfire of Teenagers and Without Music the World Dies, but Moz rejected them as he only wishes to put music out on a major label. I find this to be very odd as I've always thought he was an advocate who protested against the "man" and the "major labels," but then won't sign to an indie label? Doesn't Red Light have multiple huge artists on indie labels that are massively successful? Aren't major labels dead in the rock n' roll space? Especially for a 65 year old?>There was also another big deal Galli had on the table regarding getting all the rights back to many of Moz's albums from BMG.>Galli inherited the Marr trademark issue from past management. From my understanding of the situation Galli wanted Moz to sign the paperwork splitting the trademark with Marr 50/50, but Moz thinks he should own 100% of the Smiths trademark and won't sign it. This is most likely the issue that made them part ways. Good luck with getting 100% of the trademark Moz.1/2
>>123720584>On the flip side, Marr's camp is extremely dodgy. Management reached out to a very well-known singer of a major band (you can guess who) to see if he'd tour as the lead singer of "The Smiths." He of course rejected it right away. Marr's management also floated the idea of Marr touring as the Smiths to UK promoters which was also rejected.>As someone on the inside, I also know and got to see the plan and roll out Galli put together for Bonfire and it was genius. I was on some of those zoom meetings. It would have been a huge comeback for Moz and put him back on top. It started with the social media campaign and then a huge launch of a fan club that contains a ton of unreleased tracks, behind the scenes video and never before seen concerts. The fan club was scheduled to be launched in a few weeks and was already built. That would have lead into the first single from Bonfire and a big release date announcement for Bonfire. It was all scheduled to kick off the week of the upcoming tour with the album coming in 25, but Moz wouldn’t sign to the indie label. I thought all the hype about Marr was a well planned and executed PR stunt to get attention before the first single and album launch, but it was just Moz being Moz.>I actually thought that Moz and Galli were a good combo. He has the temperament and credibility as a level headed, smart, genuine, well liked manager who's in it for the right reasons. Sad day in Moz land.2/2via https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/inside-information-on-moz-marr-management.152807/
>>123720599Bummer. Moz is a smart guy. Why can't he see big labels are fucking dead. He has a huge following who want this album. It would have been easy money. Let this dude lead you out of darkness, Moz.
>>123720274>he thinks that's what it's about
>>123720599>well-known singer of a major band (you can guess who) to see if he'd tour as the lead singer of "The Smiths.I'm dumb, who? Not Rick Astley, since he doesn't have a "major band". Gallagher?
>>123720877His ego wont let go of the past, where a major label = glamour and status, plus a safety net if your album doesn't do well financially. Also, why would he accept the 'shame' of going on an indie roster, when johnny marr is signed to one of the biggest major labels in the world?
>>123720599>(you can guess who)Who?
>>123721110bono
>>123720974Hm. neither of the gallaghers were in a 'major band' at the time this rumour is claiming, both were ex band members and still playing solo. Can't see them wanting to even be approached. how tf could either of them even handle morriseys vocal range without transposing the songs beyond recognition.Its got to be another crooner. Singer from the 1975 or the artic monkeys?
If you listen to Smiths, you're a fag. Sorry, I don't make the rules. It's music for fags.
>>123688093>jannie moor is a god because he drowns his shitty playing in chorus, reverb and multitrackskys
>>123688154Morrissey should have gone solo before even founding The Smiths
>>123721364Brandon Flowers maybe?
>>123719957>>123719882>>123715709>>123715703>>123713871Smiths = gayest band in history
>>123721462he cant even play the intro to this charming man without completely fucking it up kek
>>123721043I'm aware. It's just wishful thinking. I love him and I want him to do well.
>>123721512He would be the best pick. It's not exactly the same but could keep in the spirit of Moz. He has a certain amount of swagger and assurance about him. I don't want him to do it though. Anyone who takes on this role would be committing career suicide. Who can live up to Moz? No one.
>>123721512Too american?. that nasal whine all over how soon is now, just imagine it. 2 hours of that would be torture. it's gotta be a British guy surely
>>123721636>>123721478>so the choice I made may seem strange to you, but who asked you anyway? Its my life to wreck my own way
>>123721668That dude from Gene? I personally Brandon could do alright. He has a lot of love for Moz and the Smiths so he knows his shit. A lot of their early stuff has his faux British thing going on
>>123721720That line goes so fucking hard. Greatest lyricist ever.
>>123721720such a good song
>>123721723>That dude from Gene?That would be the rare occurrence of someone's greatest wish actually coming true.
>>123721110Bernard Sumner
>>123721110brett andersonmorrissey himself covered suede my insatiable one, so it wouldnt be totally unexpected
One would think that being rejected by every major label on the planet is far more mortifying than putting your record out on an independent one.
>>123693688If your job is literally to make chart topping music (which is how these guys get paid) then it kinda is
>>123721723Smiths without moz isn't Smiths, it would be a complete dick move on marrs part. If marr wanted to do a songs of the smiths concert with an all star line up of guest vocalists like Nirvana did at the RNR hall of fame, I could get behind it. But touring the songs, with a new singer? No fucking way. Not when morrisey already agreed to do it himself
>>123724437I completely agree and I have no interest in it at all. I don't think anyone else s interested in Marr and his many friends doing terrible Smiths covers.
>>123724452Apart from Noel Gallagher I've never heard anyone cover a Smiths song and do it well. Always sounds like karaoke. Their music is almost untouchable.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3JLtgM8XIgw&pp=ygUTNGsgdGhlcmUgaXMgYSBsaWdodA%3D%3D
>>123724381Lmao your job is your life, I feel so fucking bad for (You) anon
>>123720952enlighten us anon
>>123724499Sinead did a great live version of Hand That Rocks the Cradle but yeah their stuff is impossible to cover well
>>123725022Probably not as bad as Marr feels about his own commercial failure
>>1237253544 top 10 albums is a commercial failure??
>>123725382Fucking around on a Modest Mouse album barely counts
>>123725410solo albums Not that indie landfill caca
>>123690473guitar players love johnny, you must not be a musician
>>123725123It's about gay sex in the ass, the "hairdresser" is a "flaming" homo and it represents the queeriness of the author.
>>123724499Sandie Shaw?
>>123687987So true. NightmareVision is way better than that fat Jew Yorker
Johnny Marr and the Healers was better than the Smiths, racistorrissey was a dead weight https://youtu.be/XXKpQG0uu48?si=7bZBl5GZgXJsUas3
>>123727648No one is buying this shit. You're delusional and a moron.
>>123727665Morrissey was faggot holding flowers and talking with his hands that shits maaad gay. Johnny fucking Marr plays guitar and rocks hard
>>123687987Mozza is too based for this board
>>123727781Maaaad gay post
>>123727910Based and true
>>123725642Solo Marr is the definition of landfill.
listening to this bad ass song before I go to the mosque https://youtu.be/VrOUxZPqPhY?si=QpXPRz2KeCjPXEchLol I just imagine racist Morrissey's angry face
Morrissey basically embodies my political opinionsluv gays, luv feminism, luv mexicans luv kikes 'ate niggers and 'ate muslims 'ate meat eaters simple as
>>123730513If you truly loved the Hebrews you wouldn't call them that!
>>123724499https://youtu.be/07RQrYdNRWg
>>123726906Oh yeah I forgot about her
>>123721110da joos
>>123687987Morrissey's politics aren't why he's an unpleasant person. It's the ego. His politics are understandable if you consider he's a gay man who doesn't want a fundamentalist socially conservative religious belief system to gain prominence
>>123732775b-but we have to welcome in the people who want to bomb us, consider us infidels, and live in war torn dumpster fires
>>123730513Based
>>123732775God forbid someone believe in themselves and hate Muslims. He's based as fuck
>>123732775>>123732930>>123733163>le counterjihad faec
>>123730513I'm vegan and that's all I care about, Morrissey is based in my book
>>123733569All Muslims are fucking faggots. Should be bombed off this earth for their retarded bullshit.
>>123732930Why do they want to bomb you? How do they get into your country to begin with?
>>123734864Why do their retarded asses do anything? To appease some faggot sand god. And people are limp wristed faggots who let anyone in because leftists are retards.
lmaoing at these covers morrissey whips up in word 2010 and posts on his website
>>123736501This isn't real is it?????? What the actual fuck
>>123736501between this and "smiths rule ok" im starting to think morrissey's genuinely losing it
>>123736501When did he put that on his website? Link? I find it hard to believe.
>>123736501Who cares? He still won, btw
>>123738377https://morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey/lady-willpower-rainbow-valley
>>123738849yuck
>>123738849Link doesn't work for me so it's a lie.
>>123738518which nephew are you
>>123741494Go to bed, Nile. This doesn't concern you.
>>123734916real boomer hours
>>123740437Just go straight to moz central it's on the front page. His boomer html skills mean links don't follow through when you click on em
Speaking of Moz on the WWW, what happened to true-to-you?
>>123693662>World Peace is 10years old nowFuck. I took a train to to Visalia for that tour. Excellent show. And to add to the replies above me: they played YouTube videos as openers, dare I say, based?
>>123690329This. Morrissey's sold just under 3 mil albums solo over 35 years, and his last high-charting record was Quarry 20 years ago, at 100k sales. Marr's sold about 2.3 million albums (across all his collaborations). Not a huge difference between them on paper, although Morrisey had the more successful touring career which isn't surprising since he's a frontman. ButPeople overestimate his popularity, even the Smiths' sales only reached 4 million records. In terms of public consciousness he's been on the same level as guys like Nick Cave for the last 15 years.
You fags are fighting over bullshit. Let Moz and Marr become lolcows for our entertainment.>>123709069>all these white men turn out to be secret reactionariesI wish your deranged fantasies were true. >>123708929>everyone I dislike is a conservativeKys.
>>123698550he posted morgoths review
>>123746110Go back, faggot.
>>123743900Where is he wrong though?
>>123745443>Marrfags desperately reaching It's been days. Take the L.
*dabs*
>>123747364Based
>>123745443>across all his collaborations). >unironically putting in his glorified session gigs with other bands under his own name LMAO
>>123745443Morrissey is a pop culture icon. Nick Cave is someone who "music guys" know.
>>123750218No he isn't. Nobody cares about this buttblasted doofus except gay depressed teenagers and music journalists. In the real world he isn't relevant to anyone under 50. Go ask 500 people on the street who the Smiths are, they might know 1 song if that
>>123750657Smiths are one of the biggest non-hard rock bands of the '80s, and they'll keep on growing. I wouldn't be surprised if they surpassed U2 in the long run.
>>123751645Awful take
>>123751645Kek, sure. They'll be reuniting as holograms and playing the las Vegas sphere by the end of the decade
>>123750657Yes, he is. He is one of the most well known frontmen and one of the most acclaimed lyricists of all time. You're a fucking retard if you don't believe this. Nick Cave is alright but nothing special. You Marrfags are chasing your tails.
>>123687987Why are Mexicans and Chileans so obsessed with the Smiths?
>>123750657This
>>123754225Take your dumbass opinion elsewhere
>>123754271>Take your dumbass opinion elsewhere
>>123754738Very nice pic of all the Marrfags in this thread.
>>123697162 It’s really not
Im gonna drop a BASED
>>123687987wowthis got a lot of repliesdidnt know so many people gave a fuck bout this guy
>>123688106>Marr is replaceableCan't replace the GOAT rhythm guitarist.
>>123698611>Morrissey of the 80s was talking about a global plot to replace white indie musicians with black peopleBut he was right? In the 80s started the whole hip hop rap shit and it dominated for like 40 years. Thanks god its over.
>>123751897Albeit the correct one.
>>123756148And not a single one talking about his dogshit 'music'
>>123754888It is. Speedway was written in 93/94, when Morrissey was fighting a huge libel trial against a UK newspaper who accused him of being a racist and fascist supporter.He won the case, but felt the slander damaged his career. And while loads of musicians and friends (incl the Smiths drummer) publically defended him, Marr refused to talk to the press or support him so Morrissey felt betrayed.Marr worked as a speedway operator briefly as a teenager and they went to a few shows together while on tour in America. Plus the strangeways reference at the end of the songIt's clearly about the libel trial and Marr's refusal to stand up for him
>>123718657Can’t believe I’m reading this shit
>>123757913I remember reading an interview with morrissey years ago where he just talked about comme des garçons suits for 10 minutes
>>123718657 >>123757913what a qt pie
>>123721110I’d guess Brandon flowers or Noel Gallagher desu
>>123758356I'm smelling bullshit. Just sounds like scurrilous gossip. there wouldn't even be a market for it, marrs fanbase is tiny and none of those guys could carry the back catalogue on its own. how would noel sing charming man, heaven knows or last night I dreamt? . Maybe a tribute concert with different guest singers would work, but a whole Smiths tour?
>>123757770Plenty of people have talked about his music. Marrfags just don't wanna hear it. Too busy coping that Johnny is a failure. It's amazing, really.
>>123758981It's not gonna work on any levels without the man who was The Smiths
>>123760254>failure>signed to top 5 biggest record label in the world for over a decadeMeanwhile morrissey has been labeless for years and only tiny indies offer him contracts, kek
